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CowboyWay
04-20-2006, 09:59 AM
We take a NT with our first pick.
There is alot of talk here about a OT, OLB, or Safety. But in a 3-4 defense, you have got to have a solid, mauler type at the Nose Tackle position. Ferguson didn't have the best season last year and he's getting up there in age. If he gets hurt, this 3-4 defense could be in real trouble. I'd say there is a good chance Bunkley drops to 18 and it wouldn't shock me if we picked him up there. Especially with so much depth in this draft at LB. We could pick one up in the 2nd.
trickblue
04-20-2006, 10:00 AM
We take a NT with our first pick.
There is alot of talk here about a OT, OLB, or Safety. But in a 3-4 defense, you have got to have a solid, mauler type at the Nose Tackle position. Ferguson didn't have the best season last year and he's getting up there in age. If he gets hurt, this 3-4 defense could be in real trouble. I'd say there is a good chance Bunkley drops to 18 and it wouldn't shock me if we picked him up there. Especially with so much depth in this draft at LB. We could pick one up in the 2nd.
We'd have to move up to do so...
MichaelWinicki
04-20-2006, 10:03 AM
We take a NT with our first pick.
There is alot of talk here about a OT, OLB, or Safety. But in a 3-4 defense, you have got to have a solid, mauler type at the Nose Tackle position. Ferguson didn't have the best season last year and he's getting up there in age. If he gets hurt, this 3-4 defense could be in real trouble. I'd say there is a good chance Bunkley drops to 18 and it wouldn't shock me if we picked him up there. Especially with so much depth in this draft at LB. We could pick one up in the 2nd.
Errrrrr....
No.
ConcordCowboy
04-20-2006, 10:05 AM
After Signing Ferguson we better not.
I would be Shocked.
Duane
04-20-2006, 10:05 AM
I really don't think so. First I think Bunkley goes top 10-12 and secondly he's a better 4-3 DT than 3-4 NT.
Big Country
04-20-2006, 10:05 AM
aint gonna be no way we get a NT in the 1st round... unless Ngata falls that far... no one else playing NT is a first rounder...
CowboyWay
04-20-2006, 10:11 AM
aint gonna be no way we get a NT in the 1st round... unless Ngata falls that far... no one else playing NT is a first rounder...
Oh I agree. It would have to be one of those two guys or else no way.
I also don't think it is a huge stretch that one of those guys drop to 18.
Look at Aaron Rodgers last year. Sporting news had him as the #1 qb in the draft and he fell to the packers at 23. Talk about value.
acheman
04-20-2006, 10:13 AM
Run-stuffing mounds of flesh can be had on the second day, no thanks with a first rounder.
DLCassidy
04-20-2006, 10:18 AM
I read somewhere (Pro Football weekly maybe) that Gabe Watson is up to 366 pounds. If true, especially considering he lacked endurance in the past, it will cool our interest in him as a possible late 1st target. But if he's around at 49, I think we might be interested. We'd love to have Ngata at 18 but it ain't happening.
Alexander
04-20-2006, 10:24 AM
I read somewhere (Pro Football weekly maybe) that Gabe Watson is up to 366 pounds. If true, especially considering he lacked endurance in the past, it will cool our interest in him as a possible late 1st target. But if he's around at 49, I think we might be interested. We'd love to have Ngata at 18 but it ain't happening.
I would not touch him in the first round. We need an impact player there, not a lazy blob who plays when he wants to and a backup blob at that.
Hostile
04-20-2006, 10:28 AM
We take a NT with our first pick.
There is alot of talk here about a OT, OLB, or Safety. But in a 3-4 defense, you have got to have a solid, mauler type at the Nose Tackle position. Ferguson didn't have the best season last year and he's getting up there in age. If he gets hurt, this 3-4 defense could be in real trouble. I'd say there is a good chance Bunkley drops to 18 and it wouldn't shock me if we picked him up there. Especially with so much depth in this draft at LB. We could pick one up in the 2nd.I promise I won't be shocked and I'll remember your warning.
Don't be shocked when it doesn't happen.
CrazyCowboy
04-20-2006, 10:29 AM
Only two good ones worth #18
Verdict
04-20-2006, 10:44 AM
We take a NT with our first pick.
There is alot of talk here about a OT, OLB, or Safety. But in a 3-4 defense, you have got to have a solid, mauler type at the Nose Tackle position. Ferguson didn't have the best season last year and he's getting up there in age. If he gets hurt, this 3-4 defense could be in real trouble. I'd say there is a good chance Bunkley drops to 18 and it wouldn't shock me if we picked him up there. Especially with so much depth in this draft at LB. We could pick one up in the 2nd.
We have a lot of flexibility to draft the best player available, and it could be a nose tackle. I see it as a bigger need than some, but I dont see a nose tackle taken in round one starting over Ferguson. I think we will probably draft a nose tackle this year but it might not be in the first round. If memory serves me Parcells was high on "Pepper" Johnson, an udfa from last year.
The areas of biggest need for me are OLB, OL, NT, and FS, though the recent signing mitigates that a bit. I think we take the best player available at each pick this year.
Canadian BoyzFan
04-20-2006, 10:45 AM
0% of us taking a NT at 18.
We have to trade for the first 2.
The others are not worthy of a first round selection.
CowboyWay
04-20-2006, 10:57 AM
We have a lot of flexibility to draft the best player available, and it could be a nose tackle. I see it as a bigger need than some, but I dont see a nose tackle taken in round one starting over Ferguson. I think we will probably draft a nose tackle this year but it might not be in the first round. If memory serves me Parcells was high on "Pepper" Johnson, an udfa from last year.
The areas of biggest need for me are OLB, OL, NT, and FS, though the recent signing mitigates that a bit. I think we take the best player available at each pick this year.
I'm with you, I see it as a bigger need than most as well. Bunkely has been compared to Warren Sapp by a couple of "Draft Experts" (whatever thats worth), who wouldn't like a Warren Sapp type talent at thier nose tacke?
Like I said, I'm not saying thats what we're doing, it just wouldn't shock me.
Clove
04-20-2006, 11:03 AM
After Signing Ferguson we better not.
I would be Shocked.I know what you mean, but I'm not a Ferguson believer..I think he's average or below.
austintodallas
04-20-2006, 11:06 AM
I think we'll be drafting a NT but not until the later rounds.
Alexander
04-20-2006, 11:07 AM
I'm with you, I see it as a bigger need than most as well. Bunkely has been compared to Warren Sapp by a couple of "Draft Experts" (whatever thats worth), who wouldn't like a Warren Sapp type talent at thier nose tacke?
Like I said, I'm not saying thats what we're doing, it just wouldn't shock me.
Warren Sapp could not play nose tackle in a 3-4. He is at his best shooting gaps, not occupying them.
If Bunkley is exactly like him, he is better suited to be an end in the 3-4.
AbeBeta
04-20-2006, 11:15 AM
Here's something else to chew on.
Last year BP was asked in a PC about moving Johnson to DE after Ratliff went on IR. Bill's answer "If I moved someone, I'd be more inclined to move Ferguson over there".
ConcordCowboy
04-20-2006, 11:16 AM
Here's something else to chew on.
Last year BP was asked in a PC about moving Johnson to DE after Ratliff went on IR. Bill's answer "If I moved someone, I'd be more inclined to move Ferguson over there".
Ferguson at DE...No way.
ConcordCowboy
04-20-2006, 11:18 AM
I know what you mean, but I'm not a Ferguson believer..I think he's average or below.
I'm not either...But after that Big contract to draft a NT in the First round would be crazy.
AbeBeta
04-20-2006, 11:21 AM
Ferguson at DE...No way.
oh, I doubt it too -- but if he moves over to take 5-10 snaps a game in running situations then you've got a bit more playing time for a backup
david_jackson
04-20-2006, 11:30 AM
NT and OL are not exciting 1st round picks. If once is picked their will be much moaning and complaining on this board.
Woods
04-20-2006, 11:33 AM
Outside of Ngata, I don't think there's a true 3-4 NT worth picking.
Woods
04-20-2006, 11:34 AM
Outside of Ngata, I don't think there's a true 3-4 NT worth picking.
Sorry, I meant in the 1st round worth picking.
jbsg02
04-20-2006, 11:51 AM
I'm all over Gabe Watson in the 2nd
AsthmaField
04-20-2006, 11:53 AM
I really do like Bunkley as a player. I read where a scout for an NFL team said something along the lines of: "That is one mean guy. I watched him play against UNC and it has been years since I've seen a guy beat up the man across from him like that. He's a mauler."
That isn't word for word, but it was along those lines.
He's also at a position that typically goes higher in the draft than their ability dictates. Teams just love to draft DT's.
That all means: 1) He's a very good DT, and 2) He'll be gone long before the 18th pick.
I also read where a scout said he thought Bunkley could play NT in a 3-4. Now, I agree that he seems more of the Warren Sapp, 4-3 DT type... but this guy seemed convinced that he had the base and strength to be very good at NT. He certainly has the mean streak that is needed.
He's one of the better players in this draft, IMO, and I wouldn't be upset if we took him at 18 because I think he'll be that good. However, he won't be there at our pick, so it's a moot point. He'll go before Ngata, you watch.
Just wait and see how high he goes.
DLCassidy
04-20-2006, 11:54 AM
Sorry, I meant in the 1st round worth picking.
You're right there isn't. I have a hunch the Cowboys will either trade down in the first or 2nd to pick up an additional late 3rd. IMO that's where we will snag our future NT- Babitude Oshinowo from Stanford. I got the feeling from listening to BP's press conferences that he's not thrilled with Fergy's performance and without Glover we have a weakness there. There are a few 2nd day guys we could take but NT may well be a 1st day priority in BP's mind.
ddh33
04-20-2006, 12:28 PM
It's possible - especially if the team moves down some spots.
I think it's more likely though that Dallas targets someone in the 2-4 range. I really think Dusty Dvoracek would be a good fit.
Clove
04-20-2006, 01:20 PM
I'm not either...But after that Big contract to draft a NT in the First round would be crazy.I don't think so. If we got Ngata, that would be worth it, big contract or not. We can trade cut or restructure Ferguson.. But IMO, if you have a chance to get a true 3-4 NT stud, then you pull the trigger.
CowboyWay
04-20-2006, 01:21 PM
It's possible - especially if the team moves down some spots.
I think it's more likely though that Dallas targets someone in the 2-4 range. I really think Dusty Dvoracek would be a good fit.
Yeah, I forgot about him. He might be a good fit, and incredible value at 4
Pokes28
04-20-2006, 01:31 PM
No thank you. I'd prefer to not have any more bi-polar roid rage guys on my team.
David Harrell - Pokes
dwh
ABQCOWBOY
04-20-2006, 01:32 PM
No thank you. I'd prefer to not have any more bi-polar roid rage guys on my team.
David Harrell - Pokes
dwh
Don't you mean, our team?
stasheroo
04-20-2006, 01:48 PM
Unless Ngata fell to them at #18, I can't see the Cowboys looking at NT that early. By nature, it's not a glamorous position and considering what they have invested in Ferguson, I expect them to look for a rotation guy on Day 2.
Sandman52
04-20-2006, 03:13 PM
Ah, where's Willie Blade at?
ddh33
04-20-2006, 03:33 PM
Dvoracek isn't bi-polar. I haven't heard about any steroids either. In fact, he's known as a relentless worker and high-character guy who liked to drink too much. Even that's been supposedly fixed.
Pokes28
04-20-2006, 05:02 PM
Dusty got drunk and was "clinically depressed" and proceded to beat his best friend nearly to death.
Sorry, there has been a LOT of talk about it. His symptoms don't match what came out of OU. The reason is that publicly being bi-polar or suffering from roid rage would be a HUGE hit on him and his future.
DD didn't play this last year like he did a couple years prior. He wasn't nearly as good. This could be because he didn't have the talent around him or it could be that he's off the juice or on depression meds that slow him down. Either way....
David Harrell - Pokes
dwh
ghst187
04-20-2006, 06:01 PM
I think we'd trade down before we'd use our first on a NT. The FSU guy is going top 12 and Ngata will be close behind, and he's had a major knee injury.
Do you really use a first round pick on a player when all you're asking of him is to be fat, occupy space, and don't get pushed back too far?
There are about 20 guys you can find on day 2 that could do that....
Steve Fifita is the name to remember...
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