Yo Rack...I Know We Have Touted Carpenter

[TwoDeep3]

But...

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/24/244466.jpg

I'd say that's about twelve freakin' feet.

Wouldn't you, bra?

[Woods]

I think he's blocked about 6-7 kicks in college . . . . surprise, surprise

[Rack Bauer]

But...

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/24/244466.jpg

I'd say that's about twelve freakin' feet.

Wouldn't you, bra?


I think if the Cowboys plan on moving to the NBA, we should draft Lawson.


:D


j/k. I like Lawson. This isn't an insult, but if his football ability were as good as his athletic ability, he'd easily be the #1 pick in the draft. He's not the type of LB we need, but I sure wouldn't complain if we drafted him.

[CrazyCowboy]

I see him blocking FG's.....

[Qwickdraw]

That pic'll plays tricks on ya...

while he does jump like a freak... the basketball goal is actually a little further away than it appears.

[alancdc]

I watched EVERY State game that was on TV the past few years, and I really think that Lawson is a bust waiting to happen. I'm tellin ya he is an athletic freak, but the production just wasn't there in college. The more I read about Carpenter, SI this week, the more I like that kid. I can't help but to think that he will go to somewhere like Pittsburg that loves tough players and I will end up hating him for the next 10 years instead of cheering for him with a star on his jersey. I didn't realize his Dad was Rob Carpenter. Tough SOB in his day.

[30yrheel]

I watched EVERY State game that was on TV the past few years, and I really think that Lawson is a bust waiting to happen. I'm tellin ya he is an athletic freak, but the production just wasn't there in college. The more I read about Carpenter, SI this week, the more I like that kid. I can't help but to think that he will go to somewhere like Pittsburg that loves tough players and I will end up hating him for the next 10 years instead of cheering for him with a star on his jersey. I didn't realize his Dad was Rob Carpenter. Tough SOB in his day.

I tend to think the same. I'm a UNC fan and Lawson, or for that matter Williams, were always dominated in the games I saw. I believe in production, not just athletic ability.

[ThreeSportStar80]

That pic'll plays tricks on ya...

while he does jump like a freak... the basketball goal is actually a little further away than it appears.

Wow, how did you conclude that???:confused:

[Clove]

I'm slowly becoming a Carpenter fan again, as I was 4 months ago. I really do hope we draft him, and get on with finding a better NT and a FS for the Future. Lawson I do like alot, but he is skinny and guys like Merriman were NFL ready mainly because of their size...

Merriman was listed at 6'4 and 253 coming out
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/merriman_shawne
and Carp is 6'3 256 , and they both ran a 4.66 but Carpenter is was still rehabing the injury... So I know Mr Lawson is an athletic freak, but I'll go with the Merriman Twin.

[alancdc]

You don't have to look any further than the State/UNC game this year. At home, State up, I think 24-10 in the 3rd quarter, and couldn't get UNC off the field. They ran right down there throats. If you look back particularily at Williams sacks look where he got them. I think like 4 against Wake Forest, maybe 3-4 against Souther Miss, and another few against Maryland. He got all his sacks in like 3 games. Neither Lawson or Williams showed up in games that "mattered". They both get caught up in the middle too much, and for a D-LINE that might have 3 players, add McCargo drafter in the first round they were a very average deffense. I would throw up in my 1977 Dallas Cowboy trashcan if we took Lawson at 18. Funny thing is some poor team might take him before us!

[VoR]

I watched EVERY State game that was on TV the past few years, and I really think that Lawson is a bust waiting to happen. I'm tellin ya he is an athletic freak, but the production just wasn't there in college. The more I read about Carpenter, SI this week, the more I like that kid. I can't help but to think that he will go to somewhere like Pittsburg that loves tough players and I will end up hating him for the next 10 years instead of cheering for him with a star on his jersey. I didn't realize his Dad was Rob Carpenter. Tough SOB in his day.
Carpenter will probably be the pick and he's going to be very good.
However, to say Lawson wasn't productive in college is just total BS!
Either you didn't really watch the games you said you did or you just didn't pay attention.

Carpenter's stats in college:
147 tackles
14.5 sacks
27.5 tackles for loss

Lawson's:
191 tackles
19.5 sacks
38.5 tackles for loss

So if Lawson didn't have college production and he had better stats than Carpenter, then what does that make Carpenter? Even more un-productive??:rolleyes:
And they both only started 2 years (actually Carpenter started 3 games as a sophomore).

[ThreeSportStar80]

Carpenter will probably be the pick and he's going to be very good.
However, to say Lawson wasn't productive in college is just total BS!
Either you didn't really watch the games you said you did or you just didn't pay attention.

Carpenter's stats in college:
147 tackles
14.5 sacks
27.5 tackles for loss

Lawson's:
191 tackles
19.5 sacks
38.5 tackles for loss

So if Lawson didn't have college production and he had better stats than Carpenter, then what does that make Carpenter? Even more un-productive??:rolleyes:
And they both only started 2 years (actually Carpenter started 3 games as a sophomore).

I'm in ACC land so I've seen the guy play and he's a beast!!!

[30yrheel]

Carpenter will probably be the pick and he's going to be very good.
However, to say Lawson wasn't productive in college is just total BS!
Either you didn't really watch the games you said you did or you just didn't pay attention.

Carpenter's stats in colege:
147 tackles
14.5 sacks
27.5 tackles for loss

Lawson's:
191 tackles
19.5 sacks
38.5 tackles for loss

So if Lawson didn't have college production and he had better stats than Carpenter, then what does that make Carpenter? Even more un-productive??:rolleyes:
And they both only started 2 years (actually Carpenter started 3 games as a sophomore).

I watch a lot of ACC games. State always plays cupcakes and that's where Lawson got his stats. When they played decent teams, even UNC, he got rolled over.

[ThreeSportStar80]

I watch a lot of ACC games. State always plays cupcakes and that's where Lawson got his stats. When they played decent teams, even UNC, he got rolled over.

Lmaooooooo...so when the likes of Walter Payton, Jerry Rice and T.O. played in college they were up against "cup cake" schools, so what's your point??? :rolleyes:

[alancdc]

I don't think you can compare Lawson who was turned loose on every play to go upfield to sack the QB. You can make stats say what you want, but unless you saw as many games as I did you have no idea what we went through as State fans watching this "GREAT" deffensive line get driven up and down the field like they had a steering wheel on their chest. I hate to agree with a Tarheel fan, but he is right. State played a horrible schedule. If they had played a Big 10 schedule you wouldn't even be hearing Lawson's name. The guy from The NFL Network, Mayock, has Lawson rated as a 3RD round tallent, and even as a State fan I tend to agree.

[Woods]

I don't think you can compare Lawson who was turned loose on every play to go upfield to sack the QB. You can make stats say what you want, but unless you saw as many games as I did you have no idea what we went through as State fans watching this "GREAT" deffensive line get driven up and down the field like they had a steering wheel on their chest. I hate to agree with a Tarheel fan, but he is right. State played a horrible schedule. If they had played a Big 10 schedule you wouldn't even be hearing Lawson's name. The guy from The NFL Network, Mayock, has Lawson rated as a 3RD round tallent, and even as a State fan I tend to agree.

I really appreciate your point of view.

I think when discussing prospects, it's great to hear both sides.

[30yrheel]

Lmaooooooo...so when the likes of Walter Payton, Jerry Rice and T.O. played in college they were up against "cup cake" schools, so what's your point??? :rolleyes:

My point is simple- I watched him play plenty of games and he did not dominate a single one. Now, he was a beast on special teams. If you want to spend a 1 st on a special teams player, go ahead. I think we all get caught up in a guys athletic ability too much.
Oh, and those guys you named DID dominate in college.

[alancdc]

You also can't compare small schools playing EACH OTHER. Of course there are exceptions like a Payton, Rice etc, but those were small school teams playing other small school teams. State is a D1 team playing Western Carolina, Middle Tennessee State, Western Kentucky.... Again, I blead Wolfpack RED, and I am agreeing with a Tarheel fan about their schedule.... I have to go now to take a shower! ;)

[30yrheel]

You also can't compare small schools playing EACH OTHER. Of course there are exceptions like a Payton, Rice etc, but those were small school teams playing other small school teams. State is a D1 team playing Western Carolina, Middle Tennessee State, Western Kentucky.... Again, I blead Wolfpack RED, and I am agreeing with a Tarheel fan about their schedule.... I have to go now to take a shower! ;)

I'm not trying to bash the Wolfpack, but they did underachieve.
Maybe all Lawson needs is good coaching? Never have been impressed with Chuckie.;)

[theogt]

Saying he wasn't productive is simply wrong, look at his stats. Saying his stats are skewed because of the teams he plays is ridiculous. His stats are identical to Ware's and if you look at Ware's schedule I guarantee there's a few teams that you didn't even know exist.

If you don't like Lawson this year, you probably didn't like Ware last year. If you don't like Ware, then I've got nothing for you.

[30yrheel]

Saying he wasn't productive is simply wrong, look at his stats. Saying his stats are skewed because of the teams he plays is ridiculous. His stats are identical to Ware's and if you look at Ware's schedule I guarantee there's a few teams that you didn't even know exist.

If you don't like Lawson this year, you probably didn't like Ware last year. If you don't like Ware, then I've got nothing for you.

You have a good point, but I can't compare the two because I didn't see Ware play in college. I saw Lawson numerous times on TV and in person and I saw a guy with tremendous speed, but not making plays. Like I said to our State friend earlier, maybe it was poor coaching, I don't know.:D

[alancdc]

then I've got nothing for you.?????????
What do you have for me if I did like Ware last year? Look man. We all have different opinions. I am simply saying THAT I DID WATCH ALL HIS GAMES OVER THE PAST 3 YEARS, AND I DON'T THINK HE WILL BE A GOOD PRO. I NEVER, REPEAT NEVER, saw Ware play, but did see Lawson EVERY Saturday. Question is, DID YOU SEE HIM PLAY A GAME, OR DO YOU JUST LIKE THE WAY HE RUNS AND JUMPS IN SHORTS AND A T-SHIRT. If you know so much, and are so hostile to other peoples opinions why don't you give Jerry a call and maybe he will give you a job scouting.

[Alexander]

If they had played a Big 10 schedule you wouldn't even be hearing Lawson's name. The guy from The NFL Network, Mayock, has Lawson rated as a 3RD round tallent, and even as a State fan I tend to agree.

You have to be insane. You don't think Lawson is the greatest talent available in this draft? How can you say that?

What's that? You have probably watched him more than most of the bandwagon riders?

Oh. Well, that's different.:D

[theogt]

then I've got nothing for you.?????????
What do you have for me if I did like Ware last year? Look man. We all have different opinions. I am simply saying THAT I DID WATCH ALL HIS GAMES OVER THE PAST 3 YEARS, AND I DON'T THINK HE WILL BE A GOOD PRO. I NEVER, REPEAT NEVER, saw Ware play, but did see Lawson EVERY Saturday. Question is, DID YOU SEE HIM PLAY A GAME, OR DO YOU JUST LIKE THE WAY HE RUNS AND JUMPS IN SHORTS AND A T-SHIRT. If you know so much, and are so hostile to other peoples opinions why don't you give Jerry a call and maybe he will give you a job scouting.i.e., respect, desire to listen to your opinion, etc.

[MichaelWinicki]

Hopefully Lawson will be gone before #18 and we won't have to worry about it. ;)

[Doomsday101]

Only concern I would have with Lawson is his ability to hold up against the run and making the switch from DE to OLB. Just like Ware last season Lawson will have a lot more responsibilities as a LB than he did as a DE such as pass coverage and again stopping the run, playing that position is more than just rushing the passer. Myself I would prefer a guy like Carpenter over Lawson because he does not have to learn a new position.

[MichaelWinicki]

Only concern I would have with Lawson is his ability to hold up against the run and making the switch from DE to OLB. Just like Ware last season Lawson will have a lot more responsibilities as a LB than he did as a DE such as pass coverage and again stopping the run, playing that position is more than just rushing the passer. Myself I would prefer a guy like Carpenter over Lawson because he does not have to learn a new position.

Exactly.

I'm on the Carpenter bandwagon.

[Dough Boy]

Exactly.

I'm on the Carpenter bandwagon.
Refresh my memory, how did you feel about Merriman last year? :D

[alancdc]

i.e., respect, desire to listen to your opinion, etc.
Then, I LOVED Ware last year. My question is DID YOU SEE HIM PLAY IN A GAME @ NC STATE? If not, how can you INTELLIGENTLY take a stand absolutley that he is a player? I am simply saying that I like Carpenter, and think Lawson has made himself a lot of money because he can run a fast 40 with shorts and a t-shirt on WHILE NO ONE IS BLOCKING HIM.

[Dough Boy]

and think Lawson has made himself a lot of money because he can run a fast 40 with shorts and a t-shirt on WHILE NO ONE IS BLOCKING HIM.
Many people said the same about OLB/DE from Maryland last year. All he had was 8.5 sacks, but then at the combine and pro day he's a marvel. The guy went on to become the Def Rookie of the year. Its hard to look at what a guy did in college and without projecting his game determine what type of pro he will be. Merriman had more sacks last year than any year during his college tenure. If I'm not mistaken, he missed a couple of games and didn't start until the mid way point.

I think Lawson was just as productive in college as Merriman. Will he be as good a pro as Merriman, don't no. Last year I was all over Merriman, now I'm glad we have Ware. Between the three, Lawson, Carpenter and Wimbely I think we will get the right one. I'd be happy with any of the three.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I have to admit I drank the Lawson Kool-Aid for a while. I am now coming to my senses again. It's not that I don't want him, he'd be OK. I am now moving more to Wimbley/Carpenter.

I also touted Carpenter from the start.

Bottom line for me, we need a Strong Side LBer. I do not want someone undersized getting blown up by TE's and FB's on power runs. Let's get a prototypical LB who will not give up cheap yards on runs, and is at least decent on blitzes.

If we end up taking Lawson......
Mr. Ware needs to find the closest gym and starting pumping up so he can take over the Strong side. Lawson is a WLB or speed rushing DE in a 4-3.... imo. Since we no longer run the 4-3, he would need to play Ware's current position. Not the best fit, again imo.

[DiscipleofTuna]

I would pick Burnett over Lawson all day, every day opposite Ware. Now if we didnt have Ware.... thats another story.

[JonJon]

The problem with Burnett is that he is injury prone, and we are not sure how he will return because he had season ending surgery last year.

[Sandman52]

But is Carpenter really worth the #18? Teams will think Lawson/Wimbley will be mid-1st picks because scouts love potential in athletic freaks.

I don't care who we get of the three as long as the team feels they are right for the position. But if Lawson, Wimbley, and Carpenter are all still available at #18, you try your best to drop down a 'lil' lower.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

But is Carpenter really worth the #18? Teams will think Lawson/Wimbley will be mid-1st picks because scouts love potential in athletic freaks.

I don't care who we get of the three as long as the team feels they are right for the position. But if Lawson, Wimbley, and Carpenter are all still available at #18, you try your best to drop down a 'lil' lower.

Can't move too far. There are a couple of 3-4 teams behind us, all with LB needs.
Specifically SF and NE.

[Woods]

Can't move too far. There are a couple of 3-4 teams behind us, all with LB needs.
Specifically SF and NE.

And I think the Giants are interested in Carpenter as well, since he can play in the 4-3 defense as well.

I think we take either Wembley or Carpenter at 18. Either is fine by me.

[Sandman52]

Bottom line: we still need more early rd picks. At least recoup our 4th.

[CATCH17]

He was voted defensive MVP by his team. Over Williams.

I didn't watch the guy play much but evidently his teammates thought highly of him.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

And I think the Giants are interested in Carpenter as well, since he can play in the 4-3 defense as well.

I think we take either Wembley or Carpenter at 18. Either is fine by me.

Yup...good point.
Although if they sign Arrington, all bets are off.

[Alexander]

Yup...good point.
Although if they sign Arrington, all bets are off.

I agree.

Signing Arrington might make them go after a runningback or offensive tackle.

[Qwickdraw]

Wow, how did you conclude that???:confused:
because Im Michael Jordan.