Amsterdam Admirals @ Rhein Fire Game Thread

[DBoys]

Might as well get it posted I am pretty excited about this game. I hope the Fire defense shows up today.

[DBoys]

Is there any word on the Fire receivers? I hope they are not out again.

[superpunk]

Fire at 1....Wizards at 3....it's gonna get hectic for me this rainy afternoon, LOL.

[superpunk]

Is there any word on the Fire receivers? I hope they are not out again.

Henson said in his diary or whatever that Starling and Smith were out again - so another shorthanded day. Just keep in mind, that, while it is always nice to see Drew pull out a win, as long as he performs well, it's a "win" for the Cowboys, right?:)

[DBoys]

Henson said in his diary or whatever that Starling and Smith were out again - so another shorthanded day. Just keep in mind, that, while it is always nice to see Drew pull out a win, as long as he performs well, it's a "win" for the Cowboys, right?:)

Very true and we get to see him out of his comfort zone. I was pretty impressed with how well he improvised on some plays last week.

[CATCH17]

It will be tough with both of his starting receivers gone again.

You just gotta have the feeling the Cowboys are watching this game closely today too with the draft being next week.

Lets get that W today Henson and get the fire back in 1st!

[DBoys]

It will be tough with both of his starting receivers gone again.

You just gotta have the feeling the Cowboys are watching this game closely today too with the draft being next week.

Lets get that W today Henson and get the fire back in 1st!

Hopefully the defense will scheme better this week. Admirals have no running game.

[Glenn Carano]

It's crazy, but I've become a huge Fire fan this year. Of course, it's all becasue of Henson.

I was ticked of last week when they lost. :laugh2: Who would've thunk it? An NFLE game.

[CATCH17]

When does it start? 12?

[DBoys]

When does it start? 12?

Yep 12 CST on DirecTV Channel 711

[StanleySpadowski]

Long Henson TD called back on a false start.

[acheman]

2 for 2 for 2 yards., utilizing the underneath stuff today huh?:)

[StanleySpadowski]

Now a great INT return for a TD for Rhein called back on a ticky-tack roughing the passer.

[NYCowboy22]

Sign Whitaker.

[Cowboys22]

Damn, could be 14-0 after 4 minutes of play!

[StanleySpadowski]

2 for 2 for 2 yards., utilizing the underneath stuff today huh?:)


One of the passes was a screen on 3rd and 13.

[acheman]

Sounds like the same story as last week penalties stopping the Fire from making plays, and can't get the Admirals off the field on third and long.

[UppityCracker2]

TD Amsterdam... damn

[NYCowboy22]

Amsterdam has good recievers. :bang2:

[StanleySpadowski]

Anyone just looking at the stats would think that Hamdan is a legit QB but he's not very good. The terrible int that was negated won't show up on the stat sheet nor will the stupid flip to the RB when he was getting sacked. Even the TD was a pretty poor decision.

[acheman]

There is a guy in Green Bay who has made a career off of bad decisions.:laugh2:

[Draegerman]

That 2nd play in the first series for Rhein was a busted play (watch the rb slip and fall down before the play gets off). Henson immediately identified that he had no rb to hand off to, tucks the ball and runs the exact same route as his tailback. There was no hesitation at all on his part...so much so that it appeared as if the play had been designed to be executed just like it did.

[DBoys]

Schabazz blew his coverage twice to give them that TD.

[DBoys]

Fire receivers get no frickin separation ARGGG

[Cowboys22]

Looks like it could be a long day for henson. His D can't stop the other team, his line can't block very well, an he has zero to work with in terms of wrs. If he can overcome all this a get a win today, he will have really shown me something!

[DBoys]

OL is much improved over last week. They are oepning some nice holes and giving Henson much more time.

[DBoys]

Nice quick pass with some serious zip Fire on the 1 about to score.

[StanleySpadowski]

The throw down to the one was as big league as throws come.

[NYCowboy22]

WOW Drew threads the needle. TD Rhein on a run from the 1.

[Draegerman]

Wow, Henson is not getting any help at all so far from his receivers. There's just no separation between them and Amsterdam's secondary (similiar to last week's game).

Not making an excuse for Drew (I still continue to remain neutral on him as our future qb), just needs to be pointed out.

[DBoys]

Score 7 - 7

Come on defense stop them for crying out loud

[DBoys]

Wow, Henson is not getting any help at all so far from his receivers. There's just no separation between them and Amsterdam's secondary (similiar to last week's game).

Not making an excuse for Drew (I still continue to remain neutral on him as our future qb), just needs to be pointed out.

Yeah it is bad the only guy who makes plays is Sapp and it is not because of seperation :P but due to the fact he towers the DBacks heheh

[NYCowboy22]

Wow, Henson is not getting any help at all so far from his receivers. There's just no separation between them and Amsterdam's secondary (similiar to last week's game).

Not making an excuse for Drew (I still continue to remain neutral on him as our future qb), just needs to be pointed out.

This is absolutely true. Amsterdam recievers are getting real good seperation for Hamden and making tough catches. Every time Drew throws, his recievers are BARELY open. This is not an exaggeration.

[NYCowboy22]

82 yard kick return... Rhein defense really stepping it up today.:bang2:

[DBoys]

Good God defense the only player worth a crap is Whitaker.

Admirals return it 80 yards on kickoff.

[NYCowboy22]

TD Amsterdam. :bang2:

[DBoys]

The Fire defense is pathetic TD Admirals

Score 14-7

[TheHustler]

Can't wait for the recap theebs! Thanks!

[NYCowboy22]

I never thought I would get so pissed over an NFLE game LOL. :D

[Draegerman]

Hell, I have to confess that I was quietly hoping the Amsterdam kick returner would have ran that kickoff all the way in for a td just so Henson would get another quick set of downs to play again before the 1st quarter was over and we were forced to watch Chang take over in the 2nd quarter.

[speedkilz88]

At least their keeping the Amsterdam offense off the field.:rolleyes:

[DBoys]

I never thought I would get so pissed over an NFLE game LOL. :D

You and me both it's like wake the #$%^$#@% UP DEFENSE. You just know there are only so many times the Fire are going to score because of the crappy receivers.

We gonna have to ride our RB's

[DBoys]

At least their keeping the Amsterdam offense off the field.:rolleyes:

:lmao2: :lmao2:

Oh no now it's time for Chang :mad:

[acheman]

Thanks for keeping us updated guys. The damn NFLEurope.com site has not updated the stats since it was 7-0 and Amsterdam got called for roughing the passer.

[acheman]

What were Drew's stats for the 1st quarter?

[DBoys]

Nice 18 and 13 run by Fire. OL doing a good job opening up holes.

[DBoys]

WOW what a run by Jackson jockstraps all over the field.

1st and goal

[DBoys]

Awesome job by the RB's taking some pressure off Henson.

TD Fire What a pass by Henson had a guy hanging on him!!!!!

[StanleySpadowski]

TD Henson with a player draped on him.

[NYCowboy22]

Td Drew Right Before The Sack! :d

[Draegerman]

Excellent td toss while under some serious pressure for Drew.

[NYCowboy22]

I feel like I'm watching a Cowboy game. I just screamed after that TD. :laugh2:

[Juke99]

My my my...he does make some great plays when he needs to improvise...

He's been better while on the move this season than when he is standing in the pocket.

[Juke99]

I feel like I'm watching a Cowboy game. I just screamed after that TD. :laugh2:


Ditto.

:p:

[virginiacowboy]

I don't post often - but I just gotta say that TD was a thing of beauty. He held the ball until the last possible second, had a defender pulling him down by the jersey and FIRED a strike!

This guys can play QB!!

WOW!

[superpunk]

Nice TD. Way to bounce back from the HORRIBLE decision he made the throw before.

Actually, maybe it wasn't horrible so much as that LB made a fantastic break on the ball. But either way, it was close to catastrophic.

[DBoys]

I feel like I'm watching a Cowboy game. I just screamed after that TD. :laugh2:

Me too!!!!!!

Watching the fire has helped the offseason go by faster for me. Last year was so SLOWWWWWWWWW

Please defense step up :mad:

[NYCowboy22]

Ditto.

:p:

These Amsterdam/Rhein games are real entertaining. I was actually looking forward to this game all week.

[Zaxor]

the special teams from the fire suck

[superpunk]

Please defense step up :mad:

Seriously....what happened to that #1 D? They blow. Guys are freaking WIDE open all the time.


pretty fantastic special teams overage, too.:rolleyes:

[Ken]

a lot of people don't like Henson's release.

I say hogwash.

He has a lightening release and can throw the ball with very good velocity, with a guy hanging on him or with a guy in his face. I think his release is one of his strongest traits.

I really like the kid.

[superpunk]

Impressions so far?

I'm kinda underwhelmed. He's been off with his throws a good bit.

but still, two TD drives led by henson. He's fit it in some tight spots. That throw to Halderman that got them to the 1 was just a great, quick, accurate throw, that is ALWAYS successful, no matter the level.

Anyone else?

[NYCowboy22]

Now the 2nd stringer is lighting them up.

[DBoys]

Seriously....what happened to that #1 D? They blow. Guys are freaking WIDE open all the time.


pretty fantastic special teams overage, too.:rolleyes:

I lost count of the missed tackles :(

The 2nd string QB is eating them alive too. Do they have injuries on D because this is not the same D

[Zaxor]

the special teams gives amdm on the 40 then a personnel foul...it looks like it is gonna again be all on Drew

[DBoys]

WRAP the sucker UP JEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[superpunk]

the special teams gives amdm on the 40 then a personnel foul...it looks like it is gonna again be all on Drew

Well, in the third.:)

Right now, it's all on Timmy.

[NYCowboy22]

I lost count of the missed tackles :(

The 2nd string QB is eating them alive too. Do they have injuries on D because this is not the same D

Not sure about the defense but I know Rhein's 2 top recievers are out for the second week in a row.

[DBoys]

Well, in the third.:)

Right now, it's all on Timmy.

:lmao2:

[DBoys]

This whole drive has been from penalties. Pass INT on Fire on the 1.

[Zaxor]

Well, in the third.:)

Right now, it's all on Timmy.

I think Henson is gonna have to play some DB along with timmy :(

[DBoys]

21 - 14 Admirals

It didnt look like the RB got in

[Juke99]

These Amsterdam/Rhein games are real entertaining. I was actually looking forward to this game all week.


Me too...I almost had the starting time on this one screwed up...glad I checked the board here.

[DBoys]

Nice escape and pass by Chang

Lets go Timmy!

[Zaxor]

Chang's passes seem slow don't they

[Cowboys22]

Anyone else find themselves hoping Chang does well too just because you've now become a Rhein fan?

[DBoys]

Fire OL is eating the DL up another nice run by the Fire.

Keep going guys!!!

Nice pass by Chang!!!

Fire on 25

[Draegerman]

Update on Henson's *stats:

ATT - 12
CMP - 8
CMP% - 67%
YDS - 52
YDS/ATT - 4.3
SK/YD - 0/0
TD - 1
LG - 18
INT - 0
RATE - 103.5

*: Courtesy of GameStats Live

[lspain1]

What a terrible mistake by Chang!

[DBoys]

INT on the 1 yard line :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Zaxor]

see that is what I mean by his passes being slow they just take forever to get where they are going

[Zaxor]

another 15 yard penalty :(

[DBoys]

What a bad freaking call on roughing the passer

Every drive the Admirals have huge yardage on penalties

[Draegerman]

Anyone else find themselves hoping Chang does well too just because you've now become a Rhein fan?
You mean unlike hoping that he screws up like he now just did? :bang2:

;)

In all seriousness, I do root for him to do well but only because his success is directly linked to the team's success. And I want the team to do well because of how important it will be for Henson to lead them once they get into the playoffs.

[lspain1]

That "roughing the passer" looked pretty clean to me.

[speedkilz88]

:shootfoot

[acheman]

Anyone else find themselves hoping Chang does well too just because you've now become a Rhein fan?


No. I find myself hoping he stinks it up, so that I could argue Drew was the only QB under center for the Fire to have success, in spite of the crappy team-mates he had to work with.:)

[Zaxor]

2 minute warning

[DBoys]

That "roughing the passer" looked pretty clean to me.

The QB threw the ball with the OL's arms around his waste how is he supposed to know the ball was released????

Let them play football you pansy refs :P

[Anguillidae]

Lenny Williams just had a pick in the Thunder at Galaxy game. Go Lenny :)

[Draegerman]

Finally, the Rhein Fire catch a break with the fumble recovery on their 3 yd line.

[DBoys]

How did the Fire get the ball back??

[Zaxor]

half time

[Zaxor]

How did the Fire get the ball back??

fumble I believe

[noshame]

Why did they run out the clock? They haven't been stopped all day.

[Draegerman]

How did the Fire get the ball back??
The Amsterdam rb, J. Allen, fumbled (looked like a bad exchange between rb and qb) and it was recovered by Rhein's Meeuwsen at the 3.

[Wolf2k5]

what the score?

[Zaxor]

by the way I am listening to the game on the web...but it is in German if anybody is interested... http://www.favoriteradio.de/

[Draegerman]

what the score?
21-14, Amsterdam leading Rhein.

[Draegerman]

Penalties are also a big reason why Rhein is losing this game today.

[Zaxor]

Penalties are also a big reason why Rhein is losing this game today.

agreed...that and very poor special teams and poor tackling too :(

[cowboysfan31]

How has Henson looked so far? He's putting up nice stats but that doesn't say a whole lot.

[lspain1]

How has Henson looked so far? He's putting up nice stats but that doesn't say a whole lot.


Henson has looked decent. His receivers are not getting separation so it is mostly dink and dunk...his TE has been his main guy.

[slogriff]

is it me or does it seem neither team can tackle worth a lick

[DBoys]

D held them to a FG

27 - 14 Admirals

[Zaxor]

LOL the German radio announcer called Henson the Iceman

[burmafrd]

well that last series looked kinda bad for Henson. Yes he was under heavy pressure- but one fumble and two bad attempted throwaways was NOT good.

[acheman]

I see Drew's stats (completion % and QB rating are falling further as the game progresses. Are they mostly drops or what?

[burmafrd]

Well frankly Henson is looking as bad in the second half as he looked good in the first.

[DBoys]

Fire needs to just run the ball their WR and pass protection sucks

[acheman]

I see a 13 yard sack now, is it just the pressure form the Admirals, or is he just not having a good day?

[burmafrd]

Well Drew Henson would fit in real well with the way our O line was playing late last season- he is getting unloaded on big time here.
To me it looks as if he is getting somewhat gunshy.

[Wolf2k5]

score?

[burmafrd]

BP is going to be watching real carefully how Henson reacts to bad plays and bad days. How he stands up to a heavy rush is very important. So far he is not reacting well.

[burmafrd]

27-14 Admirals- they are clearly the better team.

[DBoys]

Admirals are doing a good job on containment is all. Drew has no time and no separation with his WR's

[burmafrd]

I agree that he has had no time- but he is trying to throw the ball when he needs to eat it- and that last sack he almost had another fumble.

[burmafrd]

remember- BP will rather his QB eat the ball then try and throw it away and maybe get it picked. And fumbling when getting sacked is not something that will make BP happy either. So far Henson is doing the two things that will make BP mad as anything.

[DBoys]

BP is going to be watching real carefully how Henson reacts to bad plays and bad days. How he stands up to a heavy rush is very important. So far he is not reacting well.

:rolleyes: your not going to do much with the OL playing like that. Granted Drew needs to protect the ball better.

[burmafrd]

Iguess just about everyone else is no longer watching? where are the other guys that were posting?

[Zaxor]

It is a shame that most of ya'll don't understand German..the guy on the radio is cracking me up....

things like the Fire WR's couldn't out run growing grass and if they somehow manage to get open they either fall down or drop the ball...he is just dogging on them..or the oline trying to resemble a gate and that maybe someone ought to tell them there is a game being played :laugh2:

[DBoys]

remember- BP will rather his QB eat the ball then try and throw it away and maybe get it picked. And fumbling when getting sacked is not something that will make BP happy either. So far Henson is doing the two things that will make BP mad as anything.

Yeah there has been some close calls.

[acheman]

I'm getting my info from you guys and the Gamestats Live. Working today sucks, but I made sure I am off next Saturday.

[DBoys]

27-14

Fire has it on their 30.

2nd and 3 Drew threw a pretty pass and the WR let it go right through his hands.

3rd and 3 Drew through to Sapp he gets first down then fumbles.

Admirals ball

[burmafrd]

Henson must think he is back in elementary school watching the doors open and the kids come charging out for recess. That must be what its like in the so called pocket right now. They are absolutely horrid at pass blocking- the Admirals are just sending their front four and they are eating the dinners of the O line to the last scrap.

[DBoys]

31 from the Fire started throwing punches hahahah

[Draegerman]

Iguess just about everyone else is no longer watching? where are the other guys that were posting?
My system's down thanks in large part to a #$&*!%@ thunderstorm that's blocking the signal to my DirecTv.:bang2:

[DBoys]

Henson must think he is back in elementary school watching the doors open and the kids come charging out for recess. That must be what its like in the so called pocket right now. They are absolutely horrid at pass blocking- the Admirals are just sending their front four and they are eating the dinners of the O line to the last scrap.

Thats the post of the day :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[burmafrd]

that second down pass he threw; tried to thread it through a LB to his WR who was tightly covered= not a good idea.

[acheman]

My system's down thanks in large part to a #$&*!%@ thunderstorm that's blocking the signal to my DirecTv


I HAVE THAT PROBLEM QUITE A BIT MYSELF IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER FROM HEAVY SHOWERS, ANYONE ELSE? Sorry for the caps.:)

[burmafrd]

Henson did good in the first half with mostly dinks and dunks- but when he needed more time to throw downfield he is definitly NOT getting it. He looks like what he is - a young QB getting rushed a lot and not being able to do much about it.

[lspain1]

The Fire defense can not stop the Admiral's offense. The Admiral punter has seen the field exactly once so far today. Field goal Admirals....30-14

[burmafrd]

With a sat dish you need to fine tune it to get as high a signal as possible- 85 at least and over 90 if you can. that way it would take a real cloudburster to drown out your signal. I tweak mine every few months to make sure the signal is as high as possible- I hardly ever have it go out.

[Zaxor]

30-14...

LOL the guy says that Henson should tell one of the o-lineman or WR that he is switching positions with him :laugh2:

[acheman]

By fine tuning it do you mean go out and reposition the dish itself? I don't have one of those tools to tell me the correct positioning to point the dish towards. I have also heard this was more of a problem in the South because of heavier rains/humidity/cloud cover and I have the two dishes with local channels VS the one large dish. Could this effect my signal strength?

[lspain1]

Good touch pass by Henson....dropped!

[lspain1]

Underneath pass by Henson....dropped!

[Zaxor]

Beautiful pass by Henson...dropped

[burmafrd]

You set up the receiver to signal strength and turn up the volume on the TV set- then you listen to the signal change as you position the dish. that way you can tweak it to the highest possible signal. The pitch goes higher the stronger the signal.

[lspain1]

Errant throw by Henson...fourth down.

[acheman]

By fine tuning it do you mean go out and reposition the dish itself? I don't have one of those tools to tell me the correct positioning to point the dish towards. I have also heard this was more of a problem in the South because of heavier rains/humidity/cloud cover and I have the two dishes with local channels VS the one large dish. Could this effect my signal strength?
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[Zaxor]

Errant throw by Henson...fourth down.

He had to throw it or get sacked

[burmafrd]

Stone hands on every guy today.

[acheman]

Well guys I am recording this game while I am at work. Is there anything good I should expect to see when I get home? It sounds like Drew has had his worst day yet in Europe.

[garrett316]

I know this is NFLE but Henson is working with hands down the worst receivers I've ever seen. The last 3rd down play, it was a clear blitz and Middleton never read it or looked for the ball. Hopefully Starling and Zuriel will be back soon.

[burmafrd]

You don't need a signal meter as long as you are getting a signal now. You can use setup on the receiver and use the signal strength readout/sound to position the dish. the higher the pitch the sound makes the stronger the signal. I have installed my own dish 5 times in various places over the years and that is how I did it. I have had Directv since 1995.

[Zaxor]

Well guys I am recording this game while I am at work. Is there anything good I should expect to see when I get home? It sounds like Drew has had his worst day yet in Europe.

Drew is doing fine...he is perhaps pushing more than he should ....but he is not getting the help needed...

[burmafrd]

BP will say to Drew "I want you to EAT that ball rather then try and throw it away and maybe get it picked".

[Glenn Carano]

Well guys I am recording this game while I am at work. Is there anything good I should expect to see when I get home? It sounds like Drew has had his worst day yet in Europe.

Not too good. He has nobody to throw to today though. His top 2 receivers are out and besides Samp and Halterman, he has nobody else. These guys drop alot of passes as well. They need to get their two top WR's back soon, so they can run the table and play these guys again in the Title game.

[lspain1]

Admiral QB throws to a Fire Defender.....dropped!

[Glenn Carano]

BP will say to Drew "I want you to EAT that ball rather then try and throw it away and maybe get it picked".

BP will say throw it away and not to take any negative plays, like a sack or a pick. BP would much rather have you throw it away than take a sack.

[burmafrd]

Henson is not doing too bad- he is NOT doing fine. He has fumbled and almost fumbled and thrown some balls he should have eaten. He has not been able to handle the pressure he was getting. But then most QB's would be reacting the same way. Problem for Henson is that so much is counting on his performance now if he expects any shot at starting for the Cowboys he has to look very good.

[Zaxor]

BP will say to Drew "I want you to EAT that ball rather then try and throw it away and maybe get it picked".

no he wouldn't Bill preaches to throw it away...

[lspain1]

I would like to announce that a Fire receiver caught a pass! It's unheard of!

[burmafrd]

WRONG- when you are about to be hit BP wants you to eat it- Drew has been lucky that several of his attemped throw aways have not been picked.

[burmafrd]

Bp would want him to throw it away if he has some TIME to throw it away- but he has tried to do that even as he is getting hit. BP teaches his QB's to eat the ball at THAT point.

[Glenn Carano]

Bp would want him to throw it away if he has some TIME to throw it away- but he has tried to do that even as he is getting hit. BP teaches his QB's to eat the ball at THAT point.
chill

[DBoys]

The INT Henson threw was the WR fault he let the DB get inside with no fight.

[acheman]

On this last INT who's fault was it? Bad throw, bad route, bad read, tip ball, what?

[speedkilz88]

In nfle, the qb is allowed to throw it away as long as makes it to the line of scrimmage. Henson is doing exactly what his offensive coordinator wants him. Read Zaxor's sig.

[Draegerman]

Well guys I am recording this game while I am at work. Is there anything good I should expect to see when I get home? It sounds like Drew has had his worst day yet in Europe.
It's only worth watching if you're a huge fan of bullfighting. The Rhein's offensive linemen are definitely honing their skills as matadors today. ;)

[Zaxor]

Henson is not doing too bad- he is NOT doing fine. He has fumbled and almost fumbled and thrown some balls he should have eaten. He has not been able to handle the pressure he was getting. But then most QB's would be reacting the same way. Problem for Henson is that so much is counting on his performance now if he expects any shot at starting for the Cowboys he has to look very good.

Like I said he may be pushing too hard...but he has to throw it to those guys that are on the field or they have no chance to win...He is doing fine...I think that he needs to be more careful with the fumbles though

[burmafrd]

There were 2 defenders tight on that WR - you do not throw the ball into that tight a coverage.

[burmafrd]

I do not see how you can say he is doing FINE? No way.

[burmafrd]

Bp harps on negative plays- but he goes BALLISTIC on turnovers. He would rather take a sack then a turnover ANYTIME. Henson is doing the wrong thing in BP's eyes by trying to throw away even when he is being hit. THAT results in fumbles and picks.

[Zaxor]

WRONG- when you are about to be hit BP wants you to eat it- Drew has been lucky that several of his attemped throw aways have not been picked.
WRONG I imagine Bill wants him to get rid of the ball if he can and he has done that

[burmafrd]

Clearly the Admirals are a much better team. Last week was a close game but this week they controlled the game pretty much. They have better lines.

[Glenn Carano]

Henson is playing a FINE game.

[burmafrd]

ZAXOR- what part do you NOT understand- HENSON is turning the ball over on INT's and fumbles- BP HATES those. He would rather have a sack then a turnover? Can you NOT understand that?

[Zaxor]

Henson is playing a FINE game.

I agree

[Zaxor]

ZAXOR- what part do you NOT understand- HENSON is turning the ball over on INT's and fumbles- BP HATES those. He would rather have a sack then a turnover? Can you NOT understand that?
so how many int's has he throw today?

[burmafrd]

A FINE game is NOT less then 50% completion rate for a low yds per attempt and 1 td and 1 int plus one and maybe two fumbles.

[Glenn Carano]

ZAXOR- what part do you NOT understand- HENSON is turning the ball over on INT's and fumbles- BP HATES those. He would rather have a sack then a turnover? Can you NOT understand that?

Like I said, chill. Henson only has 2 picks all season and 2 or 3 fumbles.

[Glenn Carano]

A FINE game is NOT less then 50% completion rate for a low yds per attempt and 1 td and 1 int plus one and maybe two fumbles.

Fine, fine game.

[burmafrd]

Two of those attempted throwaways fluttered up in the air and could have been picked. THOSE are what would make BP mad.

[burmafrd]

If you guys are that dumb that think that is a fine game- well, you know very little about football.
Yes Henson was under a heavy rush today- BUT one of the prime qualities that BP will be looking at is how he handles situations like today. I DOUBT that BP will be very happy if he looks at the tapes of todays game.

[Zaxor]

A FINE game is NOT less then 50% completion rate for a low yds per attempt and 1 td and 1 int plus one and maybe two fumbles.


Bwahahaha...sorry guy but Henson played a fine game...:nana:

He had little to no help today..He can't throw it and catch it to

[HanfordDixon]

Henson is the worst QB ever

[Glenn Carano]

If you guys are that dumb that think that is a fine game- well, you know very little about football.
Yes Henson was under a heavy rush today- BUT one of the prime qualities that BP will be looking at is how he handles situations like today. I DOUBT that BP will be very happy if he looks at the tapes of todays game.

BP will be ecstatic with Drew's play today.

[HanfordDixon]

No, wait, Hensen is the second coming of Elway.

[lspain1]

I think Henson was decent today. The level of talent he had for his wide receivers was poor. The Fire didn't quit and fought to the end.

[HanfordDixon]

That about sums it up.

Carry on.

[burmafrd]

I guess Carano you now want to be kartr to Henson?

[Zaxor]

I think Henson was decent today. The level of talent he had for his wide receivers was poor. The Fire didn't quit and fought to the end.

I agree

[burmafrd]

that last pass was pretty decent- in the corner so that it is either caught by the WR or its incomplete. They did get a TD on it.

[Glenn Carano]

I guess Carano you now want to be kartr to Henson?

Your taking this NFLE thing kinda hard, don't ya think?

Under these circumstances he played a fine game. He had nobody to throw to(Rhein's top 2 WR's out with injury), Rhein was down the whole game which let Amsterdam just pin their ears back and rush the QB and take away the Fire's very good running game and the dropped passes all led to a fine game.

17-35 161 yards 2 TD and 1 INT

[burmafrd]

If these two teams meat for the Championship I do not see much of a different ending. the Admirals have better lines and that is what wins games.

[Zaxor]

that last pass was pretty decent- in the corner so that it is either caught by the WR or its incomplete. They did get a TD on it.

there ya go... c'mon the guy played fine with what he was given

[burmafrd]

Don't forget the 2 fumbles.

[burmafrd]

This is what they should have had Henson do last year- play in Europe. that would have helped him a lot more then standing around holding a clip board.

[Draegerman]

Final update on Henson's *stats today:

ATT - 35
CMP - 17
CMP% - 49%
YDS - 161
YDS/ATT - 4.6
SK/YD - 1/13
TD - 2
LG - 32
INT - 1
RATE - 68.9

*: Courtesy of GameStats Live

[Zaxor]

If these two teams meat for the Championship I do not see much of a different ending. the Admirals have better lines and that is what wins games. at least 99% of the time it does anyway

[Zaxor]

This is what they should have had Henson do last year- play in Europe. that would have helped him a lot more then standing around holding a clip board. I agree and maybe his first year also

[Glenn Carano]

If these two teams meat for the Championship I do not see much of a different ending. the Admirals have better lines and that is what wins games.

Not so sure about that. Rhein needs to get their top WR's healthy. Couple of breaks today went the Amsterdam's way early and set the tone for the game.

[burmafrd]

I would say that you could probably add about 8-10 clear drops. I consider a drop a pass that hits the receiver in the hands.

[Juke99]

I am as big a Henson fan as you'll find on this board...

His team was bad today...and so was he.

Yep, there was no pass protection...but....he was terribly careless with the ball on a number of occasions...

His WR's were awful...the game plan and play calling was awful also (missing two starting WR's, ya gotta run the ball...which they were doing well before they got away from it)

All that taken into consideration, I still think Henson's play today was pretty bad.

Let's see how he bounces back next week.

[burmafrd]

The way the Admirals mauled the Fire's O line I doubt it. And the Admrials O line did a pretty good job of protecting the QB and opening holes for the runners.

[burmafrd]

BP will want to see how Henson acts in his next game; how you handle a bad game is very important.

[Glenn Carano]

I would say that you could probably add about 8-10 clear drops. I consider a drop a pass that hits the receiver in the hands.

That many? Wow.

[burmafrd]

I did post stone hands a while back. I counted (TIVO'd the whole game and went back and looked at each passing play in regular speed and then in slo mo) at least 8 passes that hit the hands and at least two that bounced off the numbers.

[burmafrd]

BUT I also counted 4 separate plays where Henson tried to throw at the same time as he was being hit- and those are the plays that he should have tucked it and eaten it. And all those plays were ones that he could see the pass rusher coming. There were about 6-8 bad throws in that he missed the target or tried to thread it into well covered receivers. He got away with it mostly- a couple of those were actually caught- BUT some of them COULD have been picked and were dangerous passes.

[burmafrd]

By the way- I also counted plays that were called back and are therefore not "official" plays. I figure that BP will look at every play no matter whether it was offical or not; whether it was called back or not.

[Zaxor]

I am as big a Henson fan as you'll find on this board...

His team was bad today...and so was he.

Yep, there was no pass protection...but....he was terribly careless with the ball on a number of occasions...

His WR's were awful...the game plan and play calling was awful also (missing two starting WR's, ya gotta run the ball...which they were doing well before they got away from it)

All that taken into consideration, I still think Henson's play today was pretty bad.

Let's see how he bounces back next week.

I really honestly kind of expected this kind of game from him...

He knew going in that he was gonna have to push the envelope

but yeah I agree he has to be a bit more conscience of the fumbles

but I think he was fine...could have been better...but considering having to play from behind and the mess of an oline and WR's

[speedkilz88]

So why were you holding his completion percentage against him? 8-10 drops would mean he had a great game. (25/27-35)71-77%

[Juke99]

I really honestly kind of expected this kind of game from him...

He knew going in that he was gonna have to push the envelope

but yeah I agree he has to be a bit more conscience of the fumbles

but I think he was fine...could have been better...but considering having to play from behind and the mess of an oline and WR's


I would have been ok with him IF he wasn't so careless with the ball...

[burmafrd]

Because I think he also threw probably as many as 10 bad passes out of the 35. Well, actually more then 35 since I counted every time he threw the ball or tried to whether or not it was an official play.

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Hamden has shown up Henson the last two games. I started to become a Henson believer, but the last two weeks have left me questioning his ability to lead a real NFL team.

[DBoys]

Hamden has shown up Henson the last two games. I started to become a Henson believer, but the last two weeks have left me questioning his ability to lead a real NFL team.

Then you are not analyzing the people around him.

[speedkilz88]

Hamdan's backup only threw one incomplete pass, its their offense and Hamdan is in his 3rd year running it.

[acheman]

I never saw you post anything indicating you were starting to believe in Henson. Doesn't mean you didn't because I don't read every post, and I am not omniscient obviously. But if you put Hamden on the Fire with it's supporting cast and Henson with the Admirals, and the results were the same, I would be inclined to agree. Since that can't happen, the Admirals have shown up the Fire the last two weeks IMO. And that is about all you can really get out of it.

[burmafrd]

Henson has only had a couple of stints in exhibition games, the garbage time against the Ravens,a nd one half against the Bears in the Pros up untill the last 5 games. He only had 8 games in college. So he has a real DEFICIT in playing time vs competition. that is what makes these games so important. Its the first real look that BP will have with him playing the majority of games week after week.

[Zaxor]

I would have been ok with him IF he wasn't so careless with the ball...

that has to tighten up

[ConcordCowboy]

Henson played fine today...No help at all from the O-Line or WR's.

Henson was one yard and one false start from having 4 TD passes today.

[burmafrd]

People wonder about the talent level in NFLE; I would say that it is major college or just above in all but the skill positions. there you do not have the kind of talent the big time programs have. You do not have great CB's, or WR's; RB's or QB's. Your lines are probably about average for major college ball- but no stars.

[burmafrd]

On the flip side Henson also lucked out on several passes that went into very tightly covered receivers; and on several that he tried to throw away and they sort of fluttered around. So it cuts both ways.

[RCowboyFan]

I am as big a Henson fan as you'll find on this board...

His team was bad today...and so was he.

Yep, there was no pass protection...but....he was terribly careless with the ball on a number of occasions...

His WR's were awful...the game plan and play calling was awful also (missing two starting WR's, ya gotta run the ball...which they were doing well before they got away from it)

All that taken into consideration, I still think Henson's play today was pretty bad.

Let's see how he bounces back next week.

Yeah, Henson wasn't that good, I wouldn't say bad though. Not his best game, but probably his second worst game this NFLE season, behind his first game.

But boy, the OL, man what can I tell you, like Zaxor was posting comments from German commentators, they don't seem to know basics of pass blocking. And WRs, other than Samp and Hatlermann, are worthless for even NFLE roster.

I kind of thinking he might have tough game, but I didn't except the OL to be this bad this game though. Overall, Henson didn't have a good game, especially some of the careless decisions he made, but I think lot had to do with, him trying to create plays instead of just taking whats given. Its easy for us to say, but I guess he had to take lot more risks than really needed, IMO.

[Juke99]

Yeah, Henson wasn't that good, I wouldn't say bad though. Not his best game, but probably his second worst game this NFLE season, behind his first game.

But boy, the OL, man what can I tell you, like Zaxor was posting comments from German commentators, they don't seem to know basics of pass blocking. And WRs, other than Samp and Hatlermann, are worthless for even NFLE roster.

I kind of thinking he might have tough game, but I didn't except the OL to be this bad this game though. Overall, Henson didn't have a good game, especially some of the careless decisions he made, but I think lot had to do with, him trying to create plays instead of just taking whats given. Its easy for us to say, but I guess he had to take lot more risks than really needed, IMO.


For sure, the O Line was horrendous...

I think part of the problem was dumb game planning...they really needed to run the ball and control the clock...

Hey..the way I see it, this is what it's all about...let's see how he bounces back next week.

[rcaldw]

The fact is, whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not, is Henson's #1 receiver right now is really a TE/H-Back. When that is your "speed" guy, you have major, major troubles.

[Crown Royal]

Good - I'm glad he had a bad game. I want to see if he can forget it and come out strong.

[RCowboyFan]

Good - I'm glad he had a bad game. I want to see if he can forget it and come out strong.

Well the good news is they don't have to play Amsterdam again. There is no question, that team is the best in NFLE, and I suspect one of their WR will definetly make it NFL as at least a 3rd WR. Fulton seems to have all the tools to be a pretty decent WR in NFL.

[RCowboyFan]

For sure, the O Line was horrendous...

I think part of the problem was dumb game planning...they really needed to run the ball and control the clock...

Hey..the way I see it, this is what it's all about...let's see how he bounces back next week.

Yep, and I am glad he didn't get any serious injuries, since I started getting worried about late 3rd quarter the way he was being pounded.

I am almost tempted to say, if the OL seriously doesn't start blocking little better on Pass, Cowboys should probably get Henson back here. But It will be a great learning experience though for him.

[Silverstar]

Looks like Henson threw 2 more TD's today without his two best WR's. :)

Anyone have his totals for the year?


:starspin

[ConcordCowboy]

Looks like Henson threw 2 more TD's today without his two best WR's. :)

Anyone have his totals for the year?


:starspin

I know I said this before but he was One Yard and One Close False Start from having 4 Td's Today.:D


GO HENSON!

[burmafrd]

Balance it out with his 2 fumbles and one pick. Bad WR's with stone hands and an Offensive line that made ours late last year look good. He needs to learn when to eat it and when to try and complete it.

[cowboyeric8]

All I have to say is Henson was given BACKLASH!!!

lol, anybody else hate seeing the same DIRECTV commercials over and over.

What I learned from Henson today, was when things didn't go his way he kept plugging it in there and didn't seem affected. I also learned Henson is one tough SOB, some of the hits were terrible.

Henson didn't play so hot, making some careless throws, but all might have been different if he had, WRs, O-lineman, and a defense that can make a few stops. But the sad thing is I don't see the WRs or Lineman improving, its going to be a rough season. Didn't the announcers say Z. Smith went back to the US?

We'll see how Henson responds and how he plays in the games to come.
I think they will meet this team again in the World Bowl.

[Silverstar]

Ok, I've put together Henson's stats after 6 games...


Attempts - 150
Completions - 84
Yards - 934
Efficiency - 56%
Average Gain - 6.23
Touchdowns - 8
Interceptions - 3
Sacks - 7
Yards Lost - 52


His stats look pretty average, but he's had like 20 drops from his receivers and that should be noted.


:star:

[AbeBeta]

Ok, I've put together Henson's stats after 6 games...

His stats look pretty average, but he's had like 20 drops from his receivers and that should be noted.



Those stats yield a passer rating of about 84. That's about what Bledsoe did last year.

If half of those drops were catches his rating would be 90.

You can't compare NFL to NFLE performance but these stats say Henson is doing well -- the context of those stats says that Henson is putting up good #s despite having crap WRs and an awful OL.

[CowboyManDan]

Holy cow, the Fire WRs looked bad today...some drops that my mother would have caught. You could sense the desire and frustration from Henson in wanting to make a play in the passing game (like the int which was an obvious forced play by him). I like Samp, but without their 2 starting WRs, the Fire offense looked undermatched. Still, Henson can and did make plays and made some good throws.

[AdamJT13]

Balance it out with his 2 fumbles and one pick.

He didn't have two fumbles, he had one, and it wasn't a turnover. And the inteception was partly, if not entirely, Middleton's fault. When you gain inside position on a vertical route, you CANNOT let the defender come across the front of you to make the interception.

Personally, I thought this was Henson's best game yet. Not stats-wise, of course. And not even because of how well he played. Rather, this was exactly the type of game I wanted Henson to go through in NFL Europe, and he responded exactly how I would have wanted him to respond. He's not over there to sit back in a well-shaped pocket and toss touchdown passes to wide-open receivers. He can do that in his sleep. He's over there to face down blitzes, avoid pressure, throw under pressure, zip darts into tight coverage, throw on the run, find his third or fourth receiver when a play breaks down, bounce back from adversity and be a team leader -- and he did all of that today, and he did it quite often. The fact that he has no receivers who can get open, catch the ball or run with the ball without fumbling it doesn't affect Henson's development, it only affects his stats, which are irrelevant.

[Padd]

Well said, Adam. I agree completely.

[big dog cowboy]

Personally, I thought this was Henson's best game yet. Not stats-wise, of course. And not even because of how well he played. Rather, this was exactly the type of game I wanted Henson to go through in NFL Europe, and he responded exactly how I would have wanted him to respond. He's not over there to sit back in a well-shaped pocket and toss touchdown passes to wide-open receivers. He can do that in his sleep. He's over there to face down blitzes, avoid pressure, throw under pressure, zip darts into tight coverage, throw on the run, find his third or fourth receiver when a play breaks down, bounce back from adversity and be a team leader -- and he did all of that today, and he did it quite often. The fact that he has no receivers who can get open, catch the ball or run with the ball without fumbling it doesn't affect Henson's development, it only affects his stats, which are irrelevant.
:hammer:

[cannonball44]

Personally, I thought this was Henson's best game yet. Not stats-wise, of course. And not even because of how well he played. Rather, this was exactly the type of game I wanted Henson to go through in NFL Europe, and he responded exactly how I would have wanted him to respond. He's not over there to sit back in a well-shaped pocket and toss touchdown passes to wide-open receivers. He can do that in his sleep. He's over there to face down blitzes, avoid pressure, throw under pressure, zip darts into tight coverage, throw on the run, find his third or fourth receiver when a play breaks down, bounce back from adversity and be a team leader -- and he did all of that today, and he did it quite often. The fact that he has no receivers who can get open, catch the ball or run with the ball without fumbling it doesn't affect Henson's development, it only affects his stats, which are irrelevant.


....simply amazing....

[dallasfaniac]

He didn't have two fumbles.....rest of post.....etc.... saving space
:hammer:

[junk]

I'm sure its been discussed already, but his receivers couldn't catch a cold.

Hamden looks good too. I wonder if Seneca will get some reps at WR/PR if Hamden continues to look good in camp.

[SultanOfSix]

Leave it to Adam to put some sense in the thread.

[dallasfaniac]

Is it too late to sign David Boston and send him over to NFLE? :laugh2:

[CaptainAmerica]

Henson kept fighting until the end and never quit. That quality reminded me of Staubach.

[RCowboyFan]

He didn't have two fumbles, he had one, and it wasn't a turnover. And the inteception was partly, if not entirely, Middleton's fault. When you gain inside position on a vertical route, you CANNOT let the defender come across the front of you to make the interception.

Personally, I thought this was Henson's best game yet. Not stats-wise, of course. And not even because of how well he played. Rather, this was exactly the type of game I wanted Henson to go through in NFL Europe, and he responded exactly how I would have wanted him to respond. He's not over there to sit back in a well-shaped pocket and toss touchdown passes to wide-open receivers. He can do that in his sleep. He's over there to face down blitzes, avoid pressure, throw under pressure, zip darts into tight coverage, throw on the run, find his third or fourth receiver when a play breaks down, bounce back from adversity and be a team leader -- and he did all of that today, and he did it quite often. The fact that he has no receivers who can get open, catch the ball or run with the ball without fumbling it doesn't affect Henson's development, it only affects his stats, which are irrelevant.

Damn, that was good. And I kind of agree about adversity. Thats what I liked most about Henson this game was, not once he showed that he was frustrated at his Recievers or OL and he never panicked either.

I still don't think it was a good game for him since he did take some unwanted risks, but like I said earlier in another post, I guess its easy for me to say that. It was hard to watch getting him see get so pounded, with no chance even in Shotgun to even get back before being sacked.

And on Int, I agree, apart from what Middelton did wrong on that, I also thought, DB clearly held him.

[Houstonboys13]

He didn't have two fumbles, he had one, and it wasn't a turnover. And the inteception was partly, if not entirely, Middleton's fault. When you gain inside position on a vertical route, you CANNOT let the defender come across the front of you to make the interception.

Personally, I thought this was Henson's best game yet. Not stats-wise, of course. And not even because of how well he played. Rather, this was exactly the type of game I wanted Henson to go through in NFL Europe, and he responded exactly how I would have wanted him to respond. He's not over there to sit back in a well-shaped pocket and toss touchdown passes to wide-open receivers. He can do that in his sleep. He's over there to face down blitzes, avoid pressure, throw under pressure, zip darts into tight coverage, throw on the run, find his third or fourth receiver when a play breaks down, bounce back from adversity and be a team leader -- and he did all of that today, and he did it quite often. The fact that he has no receivers who can get open, catch the ball or run with the ball without fumbling it doesn't affect Henson's development, it only affects his stats, which are irrelevant.


I think that's one of the best posts I've ever seen.

[Zaxor]

He didn't have two fumbles, he had one, and it wasn't a turnover. And the inteception was partly, if not entirely, Middleton's fault. When you gain inside position on a vertical route, you CANNOT let the defender come across the front of you to make the interception.

Personally, I thought this was Henson's best game yet. Not stats-wise, of course. And not even because of how well he played. Rather, this was exactly the type of game I wanted Henson to go through in NFL Europe, and he responded exactly how I would have wanted him to respond. He's not over there to sit back in a well-shaped pocket and toss touchdown passes to wide-open receivers. He can do that in his sleep. He's over there to face down blitzes, avoid pressure, throw under pressure, zip darts into tight coverage, throw on the run, find his third or fourth receiver when a play breaks down, bounce back from adversity and be a team leader -- and he did all of that today, and he did it quite often. The fact that he has no receivers who can get open, catch the ball or run with the ball without fumbling it doesn't affect Henson's development, it only affects his stats, which are irrelevant.

I agree

[Rack Bauer]

He didn't have two fumbles, he had one, and it wasn't a turnover. And the inteception was partly, if not entirely, Middleton's fault. When you gain inside position on a vertical route, you CANNOT let the defender come across the front of you to make the interception.

Personally, I thought this was Henson's best game yet. Not stats-wise, of course. And not even because of how well he played. Rather, this was exactly the type of game I wanted Henson to go through in NFL Europe, and he responded exactly how I would have wanted him to respond. He's not over there to sit back in a well-shaped pocket and toss touchdown passes to wide-open receivers. He can do that in his sleep. He's over there to face down blitzes, avoid pressure, throw under pressure, zip darts into tight coverage, throw on the run, find his third or fourth receiver when a play breaks down, bounce back from adversity and be a team leader -- and he did all of that today, and he did it quite often. The fact that he has no receivers who can get open, catch the ball or run with the ball without fumbling it doesn't affect Henson's development, it only affects his stats, which are irrelevant.



:hammer:


Although I like the WR Samp (sp?). Yes he did fumble, but **** happens. He isn't a burner, he's just a football player. He does a solid job getting open and has been a reliable target for Henson this year, for the most part.


But he's the type of WR that should be your 2nd or 3rd WR, not, by far, your BEST WR.

Henson impressed me this game. If his OL could just learn the art of "Blocking" or even "Holding" he'd be putting up big numbers despite an average AT BEST recieving corpse.

[burmafrd]

The refs ruled that crazy lateral try as a fumble- if that was a lateral try and it just did not pop out or escape his hands. AND he had one other when he was sacked when the ball nearly came out of his hands and he tucked it in at the last possible moment. I TIVO'd that game and watched every single pass play 3 times- whether it was offical or not. He took too many chances trying to get rid of the ball when he was already being hit. THAT needs to change. When you are actually in the process of being hit you need to tuck it in and eat it. That is what BP wants. He wants you to throw it away if you can- but at that moment of being hit any attempt to throw it away is a pick wating to happen- or a fumble. That is one of the hardest things to teach a QB.
Henson did a good job considering no protection and stone hands on his receivers. He has to learn when NOT to try and throw to a well covered WR.
He did a lot of good things today and showed he has heart and some stones= and that is VERY important. BUT don't try and gloss over his mistakes and faults. He is still a young very INEXPERIENCED QB and that is that. After only 8 college games, a few pro exhibition stints, garbage time vs the Ravens, and one half against the Bears, he still is VERY green.

[Gaede]

I watched the whole game, didn't read the thread...

Extremely dissapointed...Didn't look good at all. And yeah, the excuses I'm sure litter this thread are legitimate. Bad recievers (worse than bad actually!), terrible blocking up front. But I didn't see Henson make anyone look better either.

You can rip on me all you want, but I watched this game and Henson looked like ****. I've been objective about this whole thing, but not about this game. I didn't see the good yesterday to accompany the bad.

[ctalker]

He didn't have two fumbles, he had one, and it wasn't a turnover. And the inteception was partly, if not entirely, Middleton's fault. When you gain inside position on a vertical route, you CANNOT let the defender come across the front of you to make the interception.

Personally, I thought this was Henson's best game yet. Not stats-wise, of course. And not even because of how well he played. Rather, this was exactly the type of game I wanted Henson to go through in NFL Europe, and he responded exactly how I would have wanted him to respond. He's not over there to sit back in a well-shaped pocket and toss touchdown passes to wide-open receivers. He can do that in his sleep. He's over there to face down blitzes, avoid pressure, throw under pressure, zip darts into tight coverage, throw on the run, find his third or fourth receiver when a play breaks down, bounce back from adversity and be a team leader -- and he did all of that today, and he did it quite often. The fact that he has no receivers who can get open, catch the ball or run with the ball without fumbling it doesn't affect Henson's development, it only affects his stats, which are irrelevant.


Great Points. I agree.

I find myself at times wishing he was on Amsterdam where he could stand back in the pocket with little pressure and throw to wide open WR's. That's because, as a cowboys fan, I want to see him putting up great stats and get a lot of hype.

I didn't catch the game, only saw the highlights. He continues to impress me and I hope he continues to grow.

[RCowboyFan]

I watched the whole game, didn't read the thread...

Extremely dissapointed...Didn't look good at all. And yeah, the excuses I'm sure litter this thread are legitimate. Bad recievers (worse than bad actually!), terrible blocking up front. But I didn't see Henson make anyone look better either.

You can rip on me all you want, but I watched this game and Henson looked like ****. I've been objective about this whole thing, but not about this game. I didn't see the good yesterday to accompany the bad.


Ok, so you are saying, the WRs are bad, the blocking is terrible, but then you expect him to make some of those WRs or OL look better? I am not sure what you are griping about here?

How did you expect any QB, let alone Henson, to look good in those circumstances? Henson had good first half, but as the score got away, and DL pinned their ears back, it started getting bad. Its a prime example of why BP doesn't like NFLE for QBs or any players. Its really not a venue for success.

Like AdamJT pointed out, its not that Henson had a good outing at all. But how he acted when everything was breaking down, including himself, that was important to see for Cowboys Front office. Ever hear of Scouts or Commentators talking guys giving all out effort eventhough they are losing big time, till the end?

I think thats what the game was all about. Yes Henson didn't have a good game, there is no doubt about that. But he also showed, he is tough Son of gun and will not get frustrated even if everything is going wrong. If Henson played for Amsterdamn Admirals, he probably would have broken all sorts of records by now. But thats not going to help him in NFL a whole lot, since Hamdan is throwing mostly to Wide Open recievers.

When he throws into tight Coverages, Hamdan has been prone to mistakes, and lucky for him his WRs are very good. Anyway, its not about excuses for Henson, or that people are glossing over his mistakes. He made some bad decisions, but those I thought were because of desperation. You know the decisions that many NFL QBs make in NFL today, when team is in a disperate situation. Its just the talent is whole lot different there, but its the same situation though regardless of talent.

Bottom line, Henson didn't have a good game at all, but his team as a whole, was whole lot worse by far.

[Rack Bauer]

Yeah... Henson, under intense pressure, throws a picture perfect pass to Middleton (?) on a deep corner route which is dropped.


BLAST YOU HENSON FOR NOT MAKING MIDDLETON LOOK BETTER! BLAST YOU TO HELL!

[burmafrd]

Henson still has some bad habits to overcome just like any other young inexperienced QB. He is not the second coming of Aikman, Montana, etc. What I want to see is him getting better at not making mistakes- cutting down on his dangerous passes and learning that trying to throw it away just as you are being hit is a BAD thing. THAT is the time to eat it.

[rmahler]

Ok, so you are saying, the WRs are bad, the blocking is terrible, but then you expect him to make some of those WRs or OL look better? I am not sure what you are griping about here?

How did you expect any QB, let alone Henson, to look good in those circumstances? Henson had good first half, but as the score got away, and DL pinned their ears back, it started getting bad. Its a prime example of why BP doesn't like NFLE for QBs or any players. Its really not a venue for success.

Like AdamJT pointed out, its not that Henson had a good outing at all. But how he acted when everything was breaking down, including himself, that was important to see for Cowboys Front office. Ever hear of Scouts or Commentators talking guys giving all out effort eventhough they are losing big time, till the end?

I think thats what the game was all about. Yes Henson didn't have a good game, there is no doubt about that. But he also showed, he is tough Son of gun and will not get frustrated even if everything is going wrong. If Henson played for Amsterdamn Admirals, he probably would have broken all sorts of records by now. But thats not going to help him in NFL a whole lot, since Hamdan is throwing mostly to Wide Open recievers.

When he throws into tight Coverages, Hamdan has been prone to mistakes, and lucky for him his WRs are very good. Anyway, its not about excuses for Henson, or that people are glossing over his mistakes. He made some bad decisions, but those I thought were because of desperation. You know the decisions that many NFL QBs make in NFL today, when team is in a disperate situation. Its just the talent is whole lot different there, but its the same situation though regardless of talent.

Bottom line, Henson didn't have a good game at all, but his team as a whole, was whole lot worse by far.

RCF, I agree with everything you said so as an old fart maybe I can give some perspective on this that some of the youngsters here haven't seen therefore I hereby give my longest post ever.

I grew up watching Roger Staubach perform miracles. Roger was Brett Favre before Favre was Favre. Roger's greatest attribute was he never gave up. The legends of the comebacks of San Francisco in '72, the "Hail Mary" of '75 and against the Redskins in "79 live in my memory like they happened yesterday. However, through the mists of time the failures were forgotten. There were many times when hope was lost that he didn't make it back but he never stopped trying. Roger was one of the best when he was in the lead with the running game going, the line working, the receivers were open and the Doomsday was pounding. But when he was behind, he would try anything to win. Who cares about stats then? The game is lost anyway. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. Few remember that Roger's last pass was in a close loss to the Rams where he completed it to his GUARD, Herb Scott! I loved his will to win and ability to improvise.

I was a great fan of Troy Aikman's, but his ability to improvise was not his greatest talent. His talent was to maximize the talents of the people around him. He was not known for great comeback's but for using the huge talent of the early '90s to overwhelm the opposition. Ironically, many consider Troy's greatest game the loss to San Fran in '94, because he showed that ability to almost succeed when all else has failed.

Drew Bledsoe has shown that ability here last year when he succeeded when behind at the end. However he needs a superior line to give him time to do those things unlike Roger did in the past because of his lack of mobility. (I hate to even say this but what would Bledsoe have done yesterday in Henson's place with that kind of line and wide receivers?) We saw how his productivity declined with the injuries to his line last year.

So that brings me to my point, what has Henson shown us in the last two weeks. I think it is just as important as the success of the previous two weeks. He shows an ability to play well when his team is playing well, but when things are hitting the fan, he will try to do anything to win. What did he have to lose anyway? What would have happened yesterday, if Samps didn't fumble and the receiver did what he should have on the late interception? That's the exciting part of Drew, the "What IF?" or "What may be" in the future.

Anyway, as Dennis Miller would say, "It's just my opinion."

[RCowboyFan]

rmahler, well said, you added something I didn't add in my post about him playing well when everything is going well. So we know he can do that.

Prime example of QB acting frustrated when things go wrong is Peyton Manning these days. You can see the frustration, his throwing up arms etc. we have seen almost every playoffs last 3-4 years seems like. Compare that to a Tom Brady or recently last season, Ben. And thats How Aikman was IMO, he rarely got flustered when things went wrong, especially in his early years, when many fans thought he was little bit too much of Robot and not showing any emotions.

He started showing more emotion or frustration towards end of his career, but a that point things have gotten way too bad in his defense with talent around him.

[Zaxor]

RCF, I agree with everything you said so as an old fart maybe I can give some perspective on this that some of the youngsters here haven't seen therefore I hereby give my longest post ever.

I grew up watching Roger Staubach perform miracles. Roger was Brett Favre before Favre was Favre. Roger's greatest attribute was he never gave up. The legends of the comebacks of San Francisco in '72, the "Hail Mary" of '75 and against the Redskins in "79 live in my memory like they happened yesterday. However, through the mists of time the failures were forgotten. There were many times when hope was lost that he didn't make it back but he never stopped trying. Roger was one of the best when he was in the lead with the running game going, the line working, the receivers were open and the Doomsday was pounding. But when he was behind, he would try anything to win. Who cares about stats then? The game is lost anyway. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. Few remember that Roger's last pass was in a close loss to the Rams where he completed it to his GUARD, Herb Scott! I loved his will to win and ability to improvise.

I was a great fan of Troy Aikman's, but his ability to improvise was not his greatest talent. His talent was to maximize the talents of the people around him. He was not known for great comeback's but for using the huge talent of the early '90s to overwhelm the opposition. Ironically, many consider Troy's greatest game the loss to San Fran in '94, because he showed that ability to almost succeed when all else has failed.

Drew Bledsoe has shown that ability here last year when he succeeded when behind at the end. However he needs a superior line to give him time to do those things unlike Roger did in the past because of his lack of mobility. (I hate to even say this but what would Bledsoe have done yesterday in Henson's place with that kind of line and wide receivers?) We saw how his productivity declined with the injuries to his line last year.

So that brings me to my point, what has Henson shown us in the last two weeks. I think it is just as important as the success of the previous two weeks. He shows an ability to play well when his team is playing well, but when things are hitting the fan, he will try to do anything to win. What did he have to lose anyway? What would have happened yesterday, if Samps didn't fumble and the receiver did what he should have on the late interception? That's the exciting part of Drew, the "What IF?" or "What may be" in the future.

Anyway, as Dennis Miller would say, "It's just my opinion."

Bravo a most excellent post :bow: