Why Not Draft DeAngelo Williams ??

[irvin88]

Is it just me, or did Julius look like he was 35 years old last year? He can't stay healthy. IMO, DeAngelo is gonna be better than Bush long-term, and he may be there around pick 18. Bush reminds me of Rocket Ismail so much it's scary. A 205 pound RB ?? He may have 2 exciting years before he breaks down.

Everybody is talking LB here, but to me we have a REAL question mark at RB. I've seen DeAngelo run for 2 years now and he a stud. He had no line last year and was great. Just my 2 cents worth.

[5 Super Bowls]

Is it just me, or did Julius look like he was 35 years old last year? He can't stay healthy. IMO, DeAngelo is gonna be better than Bush long-term, and he may be there around pick 18. Bush reminds me of Rocket Ismail so much it's scary. A 205 pound RB ?? He may have 2 exciting years before he breaks down.

I have no problem picking Deangelo. He reminds me of Cadillac.

[StarMan]

I'm not sold on Julius either. I think the jury is still out on him. The knock on him coming out of Notre Dame was his inability to stay healthy and he certainly hasn't proven otherwise so far.

I wouldn't be upset if we took DeAngelo Williams. But I seriously doubt it will happen.

[irvin88]

I have no problem picking Deangelo. He reminds me of Cadillac.

I just can't believe not more people are talking about him. Good chance Julius goes down-if that happens, teams won't respect our running game again this year. Even if JJ is healthy, is he any good ?? LKast year (besides at carolina) he ran like Emmitt did in Arizona. :confused:

[Rack Bauer]

I really Really REALLY like DeAngelo Williams, but I can't see us taking him. Although our RBs aren't superstars, they are very solid, and both Barber and JuJo are capable of a 1500 yard season, IMO.


If we only had JuJo or only had Barber, I'd say go for it. But we have both of them. We need to use that pick on the BPA that fills a need. RB isn't a need.


That said, if we did draft him I wouldn't cry about it.

[irvin88]

I really Really REALLY like DeAngelo Williams, but I can't see us taking him. Although our RBs aren't superstars, they are very solid, and both Barber and JuJo are capable of a 1500 yard season, IMO.


If we only had JuJo or only had Barber, I'd say go for it. But we have both of them. We need to use that pick on the BPA that fills a need. RB isn't a need.


That said, if we did draft him I wouldn't cry about it.


Hey, all I'm saying is I've seen him play 7 times the last 2 years and I CANNOT BELIEVE where the mock drafts have him going . If he played on USC the last 2 years he is #1 and Bush is end of round 1/early 2 with Sinorice Moss as a game breaker type.

[Rack Bauer]

Hey, all I'm saying is I've seen him play 7 times the last 2 years and I CANNOT BELIEVE where the mock drafts have him going . If he played on USC the last 2 years he is #1 and Bush is end of round 1/early 2 with Sinorice Moss as a game breaker type.


Sorry, but that's a bit overboard. No doubt he'd be rated higher then he currently is, but Bush is still the better RB. Bush is still the best player in this draft, by far.



That said, Williams would be the clearcut #2 RB if he played at USC. Lendale White would be an afterthought cuz he would of rarely seen the field. He would of been sitting on the bench behind Bush and Williams.

[Smith22]

At 18, the value is there for sure. The biggest thing against him (other than us already having Barber and Jones) is he's lacking a bit in pass protection. That is a big NO NO in the Tuna's eyes. If we somehow did pick Williams, we would have to move either Jones or Barber.

[irvin88]

Sorry, but that's a bit overboard. No doubt he'd be rated higher then he currently is, but Bush is still the better RB. Bush is still the best player in this draft, by far.



That said, Williams would be the clearcut #2 RB if he played at USC. Lendale White would be an afterthought cuz he would of rarely seen the field. He would of been sitting on the bench behind Bush and Williams.


Answer this question though-If DeAngelo Williams played on USC the past 2 years and Reggie Bush had played on Memphis the past 2 years who would be going higher in the draft ?? Williams is better suited for the NFL. When i see Reggie Bush I see Eric Metcalf/Dave Megget. My god, analysts are saying that Bush can hold up by only giving him 15 touches per game ? You really wanna draft a guy #1 that's only get 15 touches a game. 205 pound RB??

[Smith22]

Answer this question though-If DeAngelo Williams played on USC the past 2 years and Reggie Bush had played on Memphis the past 2 years who would be going higher in the draft ?? Williams is better suited for the NFL. When i see Reggie Bush I see Eric Metcalf/Dave Megget. My god, analysts are saying that Bush can hold up by only giving him 15 touches per game ? You really wanna draft a guy #1 that's only get 15 touches a game. 205 pound RB??

Bush IMO has to get 20 -25 touches a game between the running and passing game. The guy is a matchup nightmare in the passing game. As far as the switching their college teams, I've heard the same comparisons used when talking about Cutler and Leinardt.

[Rack Bauer]

Answer this question though-If DeAngelo Williams played on USC the past 2 years and Reggie Bush had played on Memphis the past 2 years who would be going higher in the draft ?? Williams is better suited for the NFL. When i see Reggie Bush I see Eric Metcalf/Dave Megget. My god, analysts are saying that Bush can hold up by only giving him 15 touches per game ? You really wanna draft a guy #1 that's only get 15 touches a game. 205 pound RB??


Bush.

And I don't know about Williams being "Better suited" for the NFL. You can use Bush a lot more ways then you can use Williams. And no one in this draft is better then Bush in the open field. No one's even close.


Williams is gonna be a good one, but he's no Reggie Bush.


And the reason bush only got 15 touches a game is cuz they had other weapons.

Also, didn't DeAngelo Williams hurt his knee two seasons ago? Or am I thinking of Dontrell Moore? I don't know why, but I always get their names mixed up. I remember one of them getting hurt in a bowl game 2 seasons ago.


Still, you're looking at what Bush might not be able to do. I'm looking at what he has shown he can do.


Bush is a better runner then Williams. He's a MUCH MUCH better reciever then Williams. With Bush, you can come out in an Eye formation forcing the defense to come out in the base package. Then you motion Bush out wide and either you've got man coverage on a LB or a safety. If it's a LB the defense is screwed. If it's a safety then that leaves 1 safety to help with the deep routes. If both the outside guys run a go then at least one of them is in one on one coverage. YOu don't get that kind of respect with Williams in the passing game.

[Idgit]

I really Really REALLY like DeAngelo Williams, but I can't see us taking him. Although our RBs aren't superstars, they are very solid, and both Barber and JuJo are capable of a 1500 yard season, IMO...

I like DeAngelo. JuJo has more potential than anyone on our team to be a superstar. No doubt, he was tentative last year and came back slow off of the high ankle sprain, but his injuries aren't chronic, and I don't think he's brittle. I'm expecting him to absolutely blow up this year.

[Rack Bauer]

I like DeAngelo. JuJo has more potential than anyone on our team to be a superstar. No doubt, he was tentative last year and came back slow off of the high ankle sprain, but his injuries aren't chronic, and I don't think he's brittle. I'm expecting him to absolutely blow up this year.


The OL will be the key. Not only do they have to at least be consistently solid, but they have to come out and play that way right away. JuJo has to gain confidence early in the season. For that to happen the OL will have to be at least solid early in the season.

[cowboyuptx]

I'd rather select Patrick Cobbs (UNT) in the 5th or 6th round. He led the nation in rushing for 2003, then was hurt early in 2004. DeAngelo Williams, led the nation in rushing for 2004.

[Yeagermeister]

DeAngelo hurt his knee as a freshman then broke his leg in our first bowl game and a high ankle sprain last year. He's had some injury problems also. Whoever drafts him is not only getting a great player but also a high quality person. He helped bring my Memphis team back from the dead to competing for bowl games...not the best ones but bowls none the less. If we were to draft him we could screw up the rest of the draft and I'd still be happy :D

[Zaxor]

DeAngelo hurt his knee as a freshman then broke his leg in our first bowl game and a high ankle sprain last year. He's had some injury problems also. Whoever drafts him is not only getting a great player but also a high quality person. He helped bring my Memphis team back from the dead to competing for bowl games...not the best ones but bowls none the less. If we were to draft him we could screw up the rest of the draft and I'd still be happy :D

I like Williams and would not be sad at all if we took him

[dbair1967]

Answer this question though-If DeAngelo Williams played on USC the past 2 years and Reggie Bush had played on Memphis the past 2 years who would be going higher in the draft ?? Williams is better suited for the NFL. When i see Reggie Bush I see Eric Metcalf/Dave Megget. My god, analysts are saying that Bush can hold up by only giving him 15 touches per game ? You really wanna draft a guy #1 that's only get 15 touches a game. 205 pound RB??

ok...what if Reggie Bush faced the painfully mediocre opponents Deangelo Williams faced the past 3 yrs or so? what then?

liek Rack said...Bush is a WAY better talent than Williams is

David

[CrazyCowboy]

Bush is by far the better back......

[dbair1967]

Is it just me, or did Julius look like he was 35 years old last year? He can't stay healthy. IMO, DeAngelo is gonna be better than Bush long-term, and he may be there around pick 18. Bush reminds me of Rocket Ismail so much it's scary. A 205 pound RB ?? He may have 2 exciting years before he breaks down.

Everybody is talking LB here, but to me we have a REAL question mark at RB. I've seen DeAngelo run for 2 years now and he a stud. He had no line last year and was great. Just my 2 cents worth.

I posted this in the other kiss up to Deangelo Williams thread...

read this from PFW on Deangelo Williams, pay attention to the bold parts-

has a maxed out frame and will not get much bigger, rarely runs out of the I formation and alot of yardage came on delayed runs, not a powerful runner who is going to make a living running between tackles, does not like contact, needs to take better care of the football (read, he fumbles) not an accomplished blocker, decided to sit out with a mild injury vs Tennessee, the best defense he would face all yr and would not play hurt or show the heart of a champion (my insert, so people need to stop with the Emmitt comparisons) acts as if he is the mayor of Memphis and expects to be treated like royalty, not a great practice player and does not do alot of extra work to improve...has a big ego and could change afte a big payday, is shorter than scouts would like, does not have great size and durability is a concern, puts himself first and is not a great team player

David

[Justis]

ok...what if Reggie Bush faced the painfully mediocre opponents Deangelo Williams faced the past 3 yrs or so? what then?

liek Rack said...Bush is a WAY better talent than Williams is

DavidThat's right, Walter Payton was an inferior talent too. Because he faced crappy competition.

[dbair1967]

That's right, Walter Payton was an inferior talent too. Because he faced crappy competition.

I never said DeAngelo Williams was an "inferior" talent...the point was somebody said Williams would be better is USC with all that talent on the team (and he probably would be) but at the same time, if Bush ran against extremely poor competition all the time instead of the Pac 10, Notre Dame, OU, Texas etc etc then his numbers would have been better too

from a pure talent standpoint, there is no comparison between the two really

David

[baj1dallas]

Answer this question though-If DeAngelo Williams played on USC the past 2 years and Reggie Bush had played on Memphis the past 2 years who would be going higher in the draft ?? Williams is better suited for the NFL. When i see Reggie Bush I see Eric Metcalf/Dave Megget. My god, analysts are saying that Bush can hold up by only giving him 15 touches per game ? You really wanna draft a guy #1 that's only get 15 touches a game. 205 pound RB??

Bush is bigger than Williams. Williams is only 5'9", Parcells would never draft him in the first.

[burmafrd]

I have heard the same thing about Williams- he is not a guy who will guts it out. I can guarantee that BP will go nowhere near someone like that.

[Doomsday101]

I think there are better prospects out there that actually fit our needs. I have nothing aginst Williams but with the LB in this draft and our need at that position makes them the better selection. I also have some concerns about Jones health issues but more than willing to go into the season with Jones and Barber at RB

[Dallyjake]

Don't sleep on Barber...That kid showed serious skill as a rookie. I was hoping he would get the ball more than Jones in the second half of the season. Barber runs hard and picks up the extra yard at the end of a play. No break away speed but a real player for sure. We are fine at RB , time to strengthen the team in a different spot. Williams should be a good pro player but we have more pressing needs to address.

[Alexander]

I'd rather select Patrick Cobbs (UNT) in the 5th or 6th round. He led the nation in rushing for 2003, then was hurt early in 2004. DeAngelo Williams, led the nation in rushing for 2004.

I don't know about drafting him, but I am sure we would go after him as an undrafted player. Freddie Kitchens coached and recruited him.

[Yeagermeister]

I posted this in the other kiss up to Deangelo Williams thread...

read this from PFW on Deangelo Williams, pay attention to the bold parts-

has a maxed out frame and will not get much bigger, rarely runs out of the I formation and alot of yardage came on delayed runs, not a powerful runner who is going to make a living running between tackles, does not like contact, needs to take better care of the football (read, he fumbles) not an accomplished blocker, decided to sit out with a mild injury vs Tennessee, the best defense he would face all yr and would not play hurt or show the heart of a champion (my insert, so people need to stop with the Emmitt comparisons) acts as if he is the mayor of Memphis and expects to be treated like royalty, not a great practice player and does not do alot of extra work to improve...has a big ego and could change afte a big payday, is shorter than scouts would like, does not have great size and durability is a concern, puts himself first and is not a great team player

David

The TN quote is full of crap. He said he could play but not start so Tommy West said he couldn't play period. He wanted to play but the coach chose not to play him and the team player comment couldn't be further from the truth either. He did everything he could to help Memphis win.