OFFICIAL-Bobby Carpenter #1 thread...

[TwoDeep3]

Bobby Carpenter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[blindzebra]

Spags just said

[Murph80]

Per Ticket

[TEK2000]

Lets Go Bobby!!!!!!!!!!

[BrAinPaiNt]

I am a Happy Camper

[bbgun]

Blah.

[CowboyManDan]

Just heard them report this too. Solid pick, he's a complete LB. Probably a better compliment on the otherside of Ware than Lawson would be. Lawson and Ware are similar, where Carpenter will help against the run and coverage more.

[Shotgun Dave]

holy Moley!!

[sadams]

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssss

[Woods]

SOLID pick!

[txlonghorn14]

excellent pick.

[sadams]

YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEAHHHHHH!

Loving it!!!!!!

Finally a guy with some intensity on this defense. This guy will get all this talent pumped up and ready to rip some heads off!

[calico]

Nice pick.

[hank2k]

Wasnt there a whole thread quoting a cboy scout saying he wasnt Bills type of OLB?????????

[Clove]

Great Pick!!!!

[Silverstar]

Not a happy camper...too high IMO. :(

[Westcoasthabsfan]

Heres to a long career in Dallas

[fortdick]

The smart pick, instant contributor! Way to go Jerruh and Bill!

[HardHittin'Witten]

nice!

[Jay9508]

i like that, now i hope they can make a push for free safety

[Shotgun Dave]

I dunno. I'm just not feeling this one. Not a bad pick, certainly, but like they just said, "probably the safest pick in this draft". I'm not overjoyed. Isuppose this was a good move.

[jbsg02]

too high or not, they got the guy they wanted. trust in ireland

[SupermanXx]

okay Carpenter, please be better than Fujita, Fowler, and Shanle, please


k, thanks.

[sadams]

Can I also say I tole you this guy was the real deal.

[Chrissyboy]

Think i picked this one all the way! Had to be - I just couldn't see a better pick before today at #18.

Safe and commendable (even though I would have liked to be greedy and dropped down).

:)

[kilz]

Just watched his highlights and the interview with Whitten and I'm officially excited about Carp!

[kingwhicker]

Fine with me. I like this kid.

[Da Hammer]

i would have prefered for us to trade down and then take him but still its a nice pick

[burntricersx]

could've traded down and recouped our 4th...:shootme:

[odog422]

I am a Happy Camper
as am i

[Smith22]

Solid pick. Good move.

[Race Bannon]

Safe. Not glamorous. But Safe. IMO.

[Mash]

Im not impressed.....

Hopefully he will be worthy of the 18th selection.....

IMHO I just dont think he is a difference maker......not much of a upgrade over singleton or fujita

Prove me wrong Bobby.....please

[nyyanksfan20]

Solid pick but would have liked to trade down a few spots and still get him or Manny.

[maxsports]

Yesssssss!!! This is a great pick!!!! He will pump the defense up!

[diehard2294]

yep safe pick,I thought we would trade out though. Lawson just didn't make sense,we have Ware

[bbgun]

So I guess he'll wear #52?

[T-New41]

Welcome to the team Bobby! :shake:

[dmq]

In order to trade down, you need a willing partner. Carp would not have gotten past NE. Solid pick!

[sadams]

Carp is the man.

Manny Lawson? You want 2 picks from a sorry State squad? Whatever I want one of the 2 best outside linebackers in the country.

If you watch the film carpenter and Hawk met at the qb ALL THE TIME!

Carp meet Ware. Here's to seeing you 2 wreck shop together for years to come.

I am so pumped!

Carp, James, Ayodele, Ware

Best LB core in the league!!!!!! And young! Whew!!!!! It doomsday all over again!

[diehard2294]

yep safe pick,I thought we would trade out though. Lawson just didn't make sense,we have Ware

[BlueStar22]

carpenter on The Ticket now!

[Calicowboy]

Can I also say I tole you this guy was the real deal.

Not until we see him suited up on gameday my friend.

[BlueStar22]

carpenter on The Ticket now!

[big dog cowboy]

Im not impressed.....

Hopefully he will be worthy of the 18th selection.....

IMHO I just dont think he is a difference maker......not much of a upgrade over singleton or fujita

Prove me wrong Bobby.....please
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[sadams]

Carp is the man.

Manny Lawson? You want 2 picks from a sorry State squad? Whatever I want one of the 2 best outside linebackers in the country.

If you watch the film carpenter and Hawk met at the qb ALL THE TIME!

Carp meet Ware. Here's to seeing you 2 wreck shop together for years to come.

I am so pumped!

Carp, James, Ayodele, Ware

Best LB core in the league!!!!!! And young! Whew!!!!! It doomsday all over again!

[dmq]

In order to trade down, you need a willing partner. Carp would not have gotten past NE. Solid pick!

[tiller77]

I love this pick

[el_chevo]

Keith Kidd just mentioned that the Cowboys are not high on Singleton and therefore drafted Carpenter. They will address safety in the second round. Is this true about Singleton?

[Gaede]

Excellent pick. Very pleased. He's safer than Lawson and Justice. Fits right into our defense

[theebs]

I love it.....

I am hoping for anthony smith in the third and some sort of offensive lineman in the 2nd, hopefully davin joseph.

[Screw The Hall]

like the pick ... now the move down in the 2nd to recoup our 4th

[EMMITSWIFT]

TERRIBLE PICK !!!!!!!!!!!! ILL GO ON THE RECORD HE IS A BUST ... NO BETTER THAN SHANLE ... WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS .. JUST STUPID !!!!!!:bang2::banghead::banghead::storm::yousuck:: angry::blech::grrr::ralph::tantrum::cry2:

[Vinnie2u]

Carpenter: Check
Ko Simpson : Next

[Silverstar]

Can I also say I tole you this guy was the real deal.


Sure he was...in college.

In the NFL?


We'll see

[Silverstar]

like the pick ... now the move down in the 2nd to recoup our 4th


I'm all for getting a 4th...no doubt!

[Bigdog24]

Safe. Not glamorous. But Safe. IMO.


thats the fact JACK, There was a lot of good players available. Carpenter will be Ok, But really think it could of been better, even to trade down and then get Carpenter or Lawson, Chad Jackson......oh-well

[Gibbs II]

Seems like a good guy although I have never been convinced about a guy who played was accompanied by such a great player in his posistion on his team.

[burntricersx]

what does this mean for Burnett?

[jbsg02]

if we got carpenter and ko simpson, id be giddy

[TheHustler]

Any videos/highlights?

[Screw The Hall]

I'm all for getting a 4th...no doubt!

minds that think alike ;)

[sadams]

I will go on record and say this is exactly what we need. We need a voice on this defense. Carp brings that. We have so much talent and no clear motivator. Carp is the field general we need. Carp called the defensive huddles. Carp was the field general. Great great pick IMO. Jackson may have been a batter value pick, but I like that this was the guy BP had targeted and didn't screw around and lose him. Way to stick to the draft board!!!!


Carp is exactly what we need!!!!!!

[BlueWave]

Great pick.


Now, get Stovall in the second round.

[Screw The Hall]

TERRIBLE PICK !!!!!!!!!!!! ILL GO ON THE RECORD HE IS A BUST ... NO BETTER THAN SHANLE ... WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS .. JUST STUPID !!!!!!:bang2::banghead::banghead::storm::yousuck:: angry::blech::grrr::ralph::tantrum::cry2:

But you'll luv to be wrong right ... or are you one of those?

[Dallas4ever]

I really hope that most of you guys are right about Carpenter. I'm just not excited about this pick.

[HeHateMe]

As always, In Parcells We Trust.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

The haters don't like this pick because it's not "sexy". The truth is....he is a NFL ready LB at a position that we have a glaring need for.

He is a very solid pick. I am pleased.
I would not have hated Lawson, but I think we made the right choice with Carpenter.

I :heart: our defense right now.

[Kevlee06]

Hey I couldve went to Stovalls draft party out here in Philly. His cousin (my frat brother is out there now). He said Philly, KC, NE, and Denver (one more team I forget) are the teams most interested in him.

[Sasquatch]

This from Charle's Robinson from Yahoo sports:

#18 Dallas, Bobby Carpenter OLB: Whoa. Huge surprise. Huge. Carpenter will likely have to be moved to the inside for the Cowboys in the 3-4 scheme. He doesn't fit on the outside from that set. Carpenter ran in the 4.6 range at Ohio State's pro day despite not being totally healthy. He's a great pursuit guy, but not a big hitter. One of the big questions is whether he can handle having to drop into pass coverage. Playing on the inside, that's not so much of a concern. - 3:05 pm EDT

Any thoughts?

[PrimeTime22]

I like the pick, obviously there was just no one to trade down with. Carpenter will contribute early, and he and Ware should terrorize QBs for years to come.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

This from Charle's Robinson from Yahoo sports:

#18 Dallas, Bobby Carpenter OLB: Whoa. Huge surprise. Huge. Carpenter will likely have to be moved to the inside for the Cowboys in the 3-4 scheme. He doesn't fit on the outside from that set. Carpenter ran in the 4.6 range at Ohio State's pro day despite not being totally healthy. He's a great pursuit guy, but not a big hitter. One of the big questions is whether he can handle having to drop into pass coverage. Playing on the inside, that's not so much of a concern. - 3:05 pm EDT

Any thoughts?

Terrible analysis.

[Screw The Hall]

could've traded down and recouped our 4th...:shootme:

we will still recoup our 4th just wait

[rw54]

I worry that he is a two down player and we wasted last year second round pick. It will take me a couple of days to like this pick.

[big dog cowboy]

if we got carpenter and ko simpson, id be giddy
Agreed!

[Calicowboy]

Here's a lil info on Carp...reads just like a BP guy.

Outside Linebacker | Senior | Ohio St.
Bobby CarpenterHeight: 6-2 1/2 | Weight: 256 | 40-Time: 4.66 http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerpics/olb/bobbycarpenter.jpg
Official Bio (http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/carpenter_bobby00.html)

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/images/stars/four.gif Strengths:
Has excellent size...Is very fast and athletic...Has great instincts...Is very natural and does an excellent job in coverage...Does a nice job of filling against the run...Flies to the ball and makes plays sideline-to-sideline...Tremendous pass rusher and blitzer...Tough as nails and a true football player...Tenacious and has a great motor...Versatile player...Very productive and has a lot of experience.

Weaknesses:
Has some trouble shedding blocks...Is not the surest tackler...Was surrounded by a lot of talent which alleviated pressure and didn't allow the opposition to focus only on him...Can be too aggressive at times...Might not be quite as athletic as his computer numbers would lead you to believe...Needs to use his hands better.

Notes:
Father Rob played for the New York Giants...Saw some action at defensive end for the Buckeyes...Was overshadowed by A.J. Hawk but this guy is a top prospect in his own right...A great strongside linebacker who could also be an impact player in a 3-4 pass rushing role as well...One of the drafts most underrated players.

[Zaxor]

To be honest... I am not sure if I like it or not... It certainly is a need pick.. but I am a Rob Carpenter fan now... I hope he has a long successful career with the Cowboys..

[Screw The Hall]

Terrible analysis.

Lol ... ditto

[DWAREZ]

Great Pick!!!!

Solid pick to be sure :)

[sadams]

If Carp is so bad, then why is the greatest defensive mind in the game, Bellichek(sp) feeling pissy right now. Because BP picked his guy.....

You guys must not have watched Carp play. I saw the Texas game, ND and Michigan.....

He is awesome. He is one heck of a linebacker. His nose is always on the ball!!!!!

[MichaelWinicki]

This from Charle's Robinson from Yahoo sports:

#18 Dallas, Bobby Carpenter OLB: Whoa. Huge surprise. Huge. Carpenter will likely have to be moved to the inside for the Cowboys in the 3-4 scheme. He doesn't fit on the outside from that set. Carpenter ran in the 4.6 range at Ohio State's pro day despite not being totally healthy. He's a great pursuit guy, but not a big hitter. One of the big questions is whether he can handle having to drop into pass coverage. Playing on the inside, that's not so much of a concern. - 3:05 pm EDT

Any thoughts?


Reads like someone got off a short bus to write it.

[bbgun]

Whoa. Huge surprise.

To whom? Mock after mock had him going to Dallas.

[Deep_Freeze]

Hard to get too excited about Carpenter, but he does fill a need for us.

I'm cool with the pick, boring but effective, lol.

[jeff]

#Sel#TeamPlayerPos.School1818Dallas (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/DAL)Bobby Carpenter (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/carpenter_bobby)OLB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/OLB)Ohio State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/OHST)Vic Carucci's AnalysisLike his former fellow Ohio State linebacker (Hawk), Carpenter is an extremely talented player who doesn't merely rely on talent. He works hard to continually improve his skills. He's smart. And he is a natural leader. He looks like a perfect fit in Bill Parcells' defense and locker room.

Gil Brandt: They want size to play inside linebacker in their 3-4 defense. At 256 pounds, they get a big guy with outstanding athletic ability. He's a very solid football player.

[TheHustler]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5470428

[DallasKen]

Awesome, on the Ticket. they played audio from Parcells and jerry talking to Bobby Carpenter before they picked him...parcells said 'Look forward to working with you kid..." and Carp said"Look forward to winning a super bowl, coach"

Love it.

[TheHustler]

This from Charle's Robinson from Yahoo sports:

#18 Dallas, Bobby Carpenter OLB: Whoa. Huge surprise. Huge. Carpenter will likely have to be moved to the inside for the Cowboys in the 3-4 scheme. He doesn't fit on the outside from that set. Carpenter ran in the 4.6 range at Ohio State's pro day despite not being totally healthy. He's a great pursuit guy, but not a big hitter. One of the big questions is whether he can handle having to drop into pass coverage. Playing on the inside, that's not so much of a concern. - 3:05 pm EDT

Any thoughts?


Wrong. He's staying at OLB. We're set at ILB with James and Adoyele.

[Calicowboy]

Awesome, on the Ticket. they played audio from Parcells and jerry talking to Bobby Carpenter before they picked him...parcells said 'Look forward to working with you kid..." and Carp said"Look forward to winning a super bowl, coach"

Love it.

Bring it on!

[Sasquatch]

Reads like someone got off a short bus to write it.

I read his stuff every now and then, and he seems to have an okay take on things. He broke the story about Bush's parents living situation. I think he's from Minnesota, so he probably follows the Big 10 pretty closely.

So you give no credence to this analysis whatsoever?

Someone in the chat room also proposed that Carpenter might be moved to the inside. I forget who it was though.

[CowboyManDan]

Carpenter will hopefully fill the Carl Banks type role opposite Ware...

[31hammer]

If Carp is so bad, then why is the greatest defensive mind in the game, Bellichek(sp) feeling pissy right now. Because BP picked his guy.....

You guys must not have watched Carp play. I saw the Texas game, ND and Michigan.....

He is awesome. He is one heck of a linebacker. His nose is always on the ball!!!!!


There were just so many options out there, That's why everyone is not in agreement. You seam to know of Bobby more then any of us and from what you are saying I am happy with the pick. One of his negatives was that he was surrounded by alot of talent but that's fine because he will be surrounded by alot of talent here in Dallas.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

So does this OSU LB also date a ND QB ;)

I have no feeling one way or the other, if Parcells thinks it's a good choice, that's fine by me.

[MichaelWinicki]

I read his stuff every now and then, and he seems to have an okay take on things. He broke the story about Bush's parents living situation. I think he's from Minnesota, so he probably follows the Big 10 pretty closely.

So you give no credence to this analysis whatsoever?

Someone in the chat room also proposed that Carpenter might be moved to the inside. I forget who it was though.

Hmm. No I don't.

[Sasquatch]

I have no feeling one way or the other, if Parcells thinks it's a good choice, that's fine by me.

He's done pretty good on that side of the ball so far. Let's hope he can improve his record on OLmen.

[Hailmary]

I hope they were at least entertaining some trade talks, cause I believe he could have been had several spots lower.

Satying put at 18, I would've prefered cromartie, but hey...can't really complain about this pick.

I would have also considered Chad Jackson at this spot, but seeing as how the e-girls passed on him, well, I guess he wasn't all that after all.

[Deep_Freeze]

I think im going to sleep now, solid but boring..........:zzz:

[Screw The Hall]

Carpenter will hopefully fill the Carl Banks type role opposite Ware...

Exactamundo ... hopefully my spelling is right :)

[Big Country]

YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell yeah!!!!

Now on to the offensive line project...

[Dale]

I don't buy the "surrounded by talent" argument tooo much.

Lawson was surrounded by "talent" (Mario Williams)

Wimbley was surrounded by "talent" (two top 15 picks, and another top 20 guy in the secondary).

Carpenter's not the only guy.

[TheHustler]

I don't buy the "surrounded by talent" argument tooo much.

Lawson was surrounded by "talent" (Mario Williams)

Wimbley was surrounded by "talent" (two top 15 picks, and another top 20 guy in the secondary).

Carpenter's not the only guy.

Suddenly being surrounded by talent is a bad thing. Doesn't make sense.

[sadams]

2004 Ohio State Football
Ohio State Overall Defensive Statistics (as of Dec 30, 2004)
All games




|--------Tackles--------| |-Sacks-| |---Pass Def---| |-Fumbles-| Blkd
DEFENSIVE LEADERS GP Solo Ast Total TFL/Yds No-Yds Int-Yds BrUp QBH Rcv-Yds FF Kick Saf
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
47 Hawk,AJ 12 62 79 141 8.0-14 1.0-3 2-0 5 . 1-5 1 . .
42 Bobby Carpenter 12 46 47 93 6.5-25 2.0-16 3-13 3 1 . . . .


2005 Ohio State Football
Ohio State Overall Defensive Statistics (as of Jan 03, 2006)
All games




|--------Tackles--------| |-Sacks-| |---Pass Def---| |-Fumbles-| Blkd
DEFENSIVE LEADERS GP Solo Ast Total TFL/Yds No-Yds Int-Yds BrUp QBH Rcv-Yds FF Kick Saf
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
47 Hawk, A.J. 12 69 52 121 16.5-85 9.5-72 1-24 3 . 1-0 2 . .
51 Schlegel, Anthony 12 41 41 82 7.0-20 2.0-8 . 1 . 1-0 . . .
9 Whitner, Donte 12 55 18 73 9.0-51 4.0-30 2-26 6 . . 1 . .
26 Youboty, Ashton 12 43 13 56 6.0-13 1.0-1 1--6 9 . 1-0 . 1 .
42 Carpenter, Bobby 11 33 16 49 10.5-72 8.0-65 . 2 . . . . .

2003 Ohio State Football
Ohio State Overall Defensive Statistics (as of Jan 03, 2004)
All games




|--------Tackles--------| |-Sacks-| |---Pass Def---| |-Fumbles-| Blkd
DEFENSIVE LEADERS GP Solo Ast Total TFL/Yds No-Yds Int-Yds BrUp QBH Rcv-Yds FF Kick Saf
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
47 Hawk, A.J. 13 52 54 106 13.0-49 4.0-34 2-55 5 . . . . .
4 Allen, Will 13 42 41 83 3.0-7 . 2-107 6 . 1-0 2 . .
44 Reynolds, Robert 12 41 40 81 9.0-33 2.0-15 1-19 1 . 1-4 . . .
21 Salley, Nate 13 44 33 77 1.0-2 . . 5 . . . . .
37 Fox, Dustin 13 55 22 77 3.0-6 . 3-6 9 . . 1 1 .
93 Smith, Will 13 30 19 49 20.0-92 10.5-66 . 4 . . 2 . .
54 Anderson, Tim 13 16 29 45 11.0-58 3.5-24 . 2 . 2-0 . . .
7 Gamble, Chris 13 30 11 41 2.0-3 . 3-0 12 . . . . .
42 Carpenter, Bobby 13 24 13 37 6.5-43 4.5-37 . 1 . . 2 . .

[Screw The Hall]

Suddenly being surrounded by talent is a bad thing. Doesn't make sense.

It's my arguement on Leinart as well

[sadams]

Looking at the numbers, Carp has his best games against the best teams! Texas, Michigan, ND, Miami

He performed as good or better than Hawk in some of these games

http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/osu-m-footbl-archive.html

[sadams]

Bobby Carpenter

Class:
Senior

Hometown:
Lancaster, Ohio

High School:
Lancaster

Height / Weight:
6-3 / 255

Position:
Linebacker

Birthdate:
08/01/1983

Major:
Business







Career Notes:
Heads into his senior season with 39 games, including 15 starts, under his belt the past three years ... is an outstanding football player and an integral part of what may well be the best corps of linebackers in college football ... is big, rangy and physical ... played his best football last year and wound up the season as the second leading tackler on the team with a career-high 93 total participations... finished the season on a strong note, recording 13 tackles at Michigan State and nine against both Purdue and Michigan ... also had an early interception in the Alamo Bowl that led to a 7-0 Ohio State lead before some of the fans had settled into their seats ... has the physical attributes to play defensive end and could see some time there this season in a relief role ... knows the game (his father, Rob Carpenter, played in the NFL and was his high school coach) and is always working to get better ... also plays on the special teams and has turned in a couple of highlight hits on kickoff coverage ... has 142 career tackles.

2004 (Junior):
Started all 12 games in his first year as a regular ... 93 tackles easily bettered his previous best of 37 in 2003 ... led the team in tackles against Marshall (13), Indiana (11) and Michigan State (13) ... tied for the team lead against Cincinnati (9) ... 13 stops against Marshall and MSU are career highs ... had 6.5 tackles for loss, including a pair of sacks ... second on the team in interceptions with three ... Picked off a Donovan Woods pass on Oklahoma State's third play from scrimmage and returned it nine yards to the Cowboy 28-yard line ... Ohio State scored three plays later to take a 7-0 lead with 12:02 on the clock and never looked back ... also had interceptions against Indiana and Northwestern ...

2003 (Sophomore):
Finished the year with 37 tackles, including 24 solo stops, and had at least one tackle in every game but Indiana ... had a season and then career-high six tackles against Bowling Green ... also recorded 6.5 tackles-for-loss and 4.5 sacks in a stellar first year of play ... credited with forced fumbles against Bowling Green and Michigan State ... started the Fiesta Bowl win over Kansas State, his third career appearance in a starting role ... responded well with five tackles, 2.5 for losses, a pass break up and a pair of sacks vs. the Wildcats.

2002 (Freshman):
Recorded 12 tackles as a rookie, including eight solo stops ... played in all 14 games ... began his collegiate career by making a tackle on the opening kickoff of the season opener against Texas Tech ... five tackles against Kent State was his top effort.

High School:
One of the most sought-after linebacker prospects in the Midwest ... won first-team All-Ohio honors from the Associated Press as a senior ... finished his senior season with 128 total tackles, including 12 tackles-for-loss ... also swam as a senior (50 and 100 free) and went to districts.

Personal:
Is the son of Rob and Susie Carpenter ... his father played at Miami of Ohio before going on to play professionally with the New York Giants ... has three younger brothers, Jonathan (a sophomore football player at the University of Cincinnati), George and Nate ... enjoys bowling (best game is a 240) and playing pool ... also likes to play the piano (took lessons for six years) ... two of his uncles played collegiate football (one at Northwestern and one at Kent State) ... favorite pro athlete is Lawrence Taylor ... enjoys playing chess ... would like to follow in his father's footsteps and be coaching his high school team in Lancaster in 10 years ... top memory from 2003 is beating Kansas State in the Fiesta Bowl ... the "Tunnel of Pride" is his favorite OSU football tradition ... would play basketball at Ohio State if not on the football team.

[sadams]

Prospect Profiles

Bobby Carpenter
Height: 6-3
Weight: 255
40 Speed: 4.61*
Position: Outside Linebacker
College: Ohio State
Final Grade: M 5.9 INJ


GM JR Scouting LLC Grading Scale/Key



SUMMARY
Carpenter was a very frustrating linebacker to evaluate, because he no doubt has the size, strength, playing speed and athleticism to be a productive all-around linebacker, but he is not one now, and he is unlikely to ever become one. While he tests out like a warrior, his lack of instincts hinder his ability to play up to his off-field workouts -- he is often a beat late moving at the snap and lacks the explosiveness to catch up once he loses a step. When he is aggressive with his hands, he does a good job jolting blockers, gets arm extension and can shed and get free to make plays against runs directed at him -- he has shown the ability to do a good job of maintaining force responsibility. Overall, Carpenter is going to test out big time and will be drafted higher than rated because of it, but he will struggle to become the big-play impact linebacker that is expected of such high draft picks. He will develop into a good starting linebacker, who like many current NFL starters, makes a lot of tackles chasing down plays in pursuit, but does not make big plays to impact games. Carpenter broke an ankle against Michigan, so the ankle will need to pass tests before he is completely cleared.

CRITICAL FACTORS
Athletic Ability Initial Quickness Play Strength Competes Play Speed Instincts
6.0 5.5 6.0 6.0 6.0 5.0



STRONG POINTS
Carpenter is a good athlete with the size and strength to play all three linebacker positions. He is a tough and competitive player, who consistently hustles and chases from snap to whistle, and does not quit until the ball carrier is down. Once he gets to full speed, he has good playing speed to make tackles from sideline to sideline. He has the strength to be a strong presence at the point of attack, and he can shed and make the tackle.



WEAKNESSES
Carpenter does not play up to his natural athletic ability -- no doubt, he does not play up to his 40 time. He lacks good instincts, which causes him to be a beat late moving at the snap and reacting to the play once it gets started, and he lacks the explosive burst to make up the ground and catch up. He struggles to stay with tight ends and running backs in man-to-man coverage; he allows separation out of cuts and can't get back into good position.



POSITIONAL FACTORS
Grade Category Comments/Description
5.0 Read & React He's often a beat late moving at the snap and reacting to the play.
5.5 Initial Quickness He gets moving quickly when he sees the ball, but his instincts hinder his consistency.
6.0 Play Strength He can stack the point of attack vs. blockers, and he sheds and makes tackles well.
6.5 Tackling He does a very good job of bending knees, staying over feet and tackling in space.
5.5 Shed Blocker He can be very good, but he struggles to consistently shed once a blocker gets ahold of him.
5.5 Run at Him He doesn't always shed in time, but contains runs and makes plays when he does.
6.0 Pursuit/Range He chases plays down well in pursuit, but doesn't always have the speed to catch fast ball carriers.
6.0 Closing Burst When he gets close chasing plays in pursuit, he has a good burst to finish the play.
5.5 Zone Coverage He closes quickly to make the tackle after the catch, but he lacks burst to get there to make a play on ball.
5.5 M/M Coverage He can stay with his man on straight routes, but struggles to stay close out of cuts.
5.0 Pass Rush Ability He lacks an explosive burst off the ball and is not consistent pressuring the quarterback.
5.5 Errors His instincts cause him to react late and lead to him not making plays he should.



ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 6.0
Carpenter is a good athlete, but he does not consistently show it on the field. Despite testing out as an elite athlete, he does not play like one. He has quick feet and can accelerate to full speed quickly, but he does not have an explosive burst, and does not play up to his 40 time. His playing speed gives him sideline range vs. the run, but his lack of burst hinders his ability to stay with RBs out of their cuts in man-to-man coverage. He has the natural flexibility to bend his knees and play with a wide base -- he can move and adjust to breakdown and tackle well out in space, when he stays under control. He does not consistently change directions quickly, and lacks the burst in the other direction to catch up once the tight end crosses in front of him.

Q.A.B. Quick Feet C.O.D. Flexibility Coordination
6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.5



COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0
Carpenter is definitely a tough linebacker who has shown a willingness to play through pain to stay in the lineup, and has consistently fought hard to get to the ball. While he has been a productive player who consistently chases down plays across the field in pursuit, he is not an impact player, and does not make the big plays on defense that change games. His overall production has been good, but it is important to note that his production comes mostly from making tackles from the side in pursuit, and he rarely makes a big play. He is consistent in his ability to make plays when he has a clear path to chase down the ball, but struggles greatly when he has to take on and defeat a blocker. He struggles to shed blockers once they get ahold of him, and he gets cut to the ground too easily by cut blocks. He is a competitive team player who consistently hustles and chases hard after the ball from snap to whistle and never quits on a play.

Toughness Clutch Play Production Consistency Team Player Pride/Quit
6.0 5.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0



MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 5.0
While Carpenter is regarded as a smart young man, there should be concern about his ability to learn and retain based on his bad use of hands vs. cut blocks and his bad shedding technique. He does not consistently read and react to the play quickly, which makes one wonder about his instincts -- he's late reacting to the tight end releasing off the ball, allows separation, and cannot catch up. He does a good job of maintaining a high level of concentration despite inconsistent instincts.

Learn/Retain Instincts/Reactions Concentration
5.0 5.0 6.0



STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 6.0
Carpenter has a very good build for a linebacker at 6-3 and over 250 pounds, and he has the frame to add another 10 pounds without affecting his play. His size, athleticism and competitiveness have helped Carpenter to be a pretty durable linebacker at Ohio State, and he should be a durable NFL player, but will need to overcome the broken ankle he suffered against Michigan in 2005. When Carpenter is chasing after the ball carrier in pursuit, he has shown an explosive closing burst to finish plays. However, in terms of acceleration, he lacks an explosive burst and loses a step to players with a burst out of their cuts. When he bends his knees, plays with a wide base and uses his hands aggressively, he displays good playing strength -- he can stack the point of attack vs. offensive line blocks, shed the block, and make the tackle.

Body Type Durability Explosion Play Strength
6.5 6.0 5.5 6.0

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't buy the "surrounded by talent" argument tooo much.

Lawson was surrounded by "talent" (Mario Williams)

Wimbley was surrounded by "talent" (two top 15 picks, and another top 20 guy in the secondary).

Carpenter's not the only guy.


And considering OS defense played better than FSU and NCS I'm more impressed by Carpenter.

FSU got lit up a lot.

NCS somewhat less so.

[ConcordCowboy]

Go Cowboys & Buckeyes!


Good Pick!:D

[lwehlers]

i really like this pick. he will be a good player for us. if in the future we might go back to a 4-3 defense he can probaly the middle. now what can we expect in the second are there any good second round wr for us.

[sadams]

concord give me your thoughts I have been defending Carp all morning....

[big dog cowboy]

Go Cowboys & Buckeyes!


Good Pick!:D
Knew you'd love the pick.

[Screw The Hall]

concord give me your thoughts I have been defending Carp all morning....

No reason to defend, getting offensive at this point makes plenty of sense ... you are in the majority.

[sadams]

Im ready for a WR or OT in round 2.

[Eddie]

I think Carpenter would have lasted another 5-10 picks. We took him too early. Could have moved back and still gotten him later on.

Oh well, what's done is done. I'm not excited about the pick, but I wasn't excited about Demarcus Ware either.

In Bill we trust. If he solidifies the D, I'll be happy.

Let's take care of the OL in the 2nd round.

[sadams]

OT in round 2 yes i agree.

[big dog cowboy]

I'm not sure he would have lasted. KC and NE both wanted him according to the ticket.

[big dog cowboy]

OT in round 2 yes i agree.
The ticket just had Goose on and he said the OT's are sliding and the best value would be in the 3rd and 4th round.

[Chuck 54]

I don't buy the "surrounded by talent" argument tooo much.

Lawson was surrounded by "talent" (Mario Williams)

Wimbley was surrounded by "talent" (two top 15 picks, and another top 20 guy in the secondary).

Carpenter's not the only guy.
But Lawson managed to get 14 sacks despite playing with the DE who was selected #1 in the entire draft...that's pretty impressive.

Carpenter played 11 games and only had 49 tackles, double digits against Texas....???

[Screw The Hall]

I think Carpenter would have lasted another 5-10 picks. We took him too early. Could have moved back and still gotten him later on.

Oh well, what's done is done. I'm not excited about the pick, but I wasn't excited about Demarcus Ware either.

In Bill we trust. If he solidifies the D, I'll be happy.

Let's take care of the OL in the 2nd round.

They may have had a different feel also as far as if anyone below them would have taken him if they did trade back ... bottom line if he's the guy you want and you aren't sure he'll be there with a trade down, then go ahead and take him.

[Deep_Freeze]

Carpenter played 11 games and only had 49 tackles, double digits against Texas....???

Yeah, I caught that, with hawk having well over twice as much. Not very impressive.

[Doomsday101]

I keep seeing Carpenter was a safe pick? Carpenter was a very good LB with the ability to play coverage,rush the passer and shut down the run. This is a very good football player who has a great motor and has an all around game. The only question I would have about Carpenter is the same question I would have with any of the picks in this draft and that would be can you do the job at the next level? As for the pick and where he was taken I think it was a very good selection for the Cowboys and look forward to seeing Carpenter this training camp.

[EMMITSWIFT]

But you'll luv to be wrong right ... or are you one of those? NO IM USUALLY NOT A NEGATIVE THINKER BUT THIS SUCKS AND AT THE SAME TIME IM TYPING THE GIANTS HAVE THEIR CHANCE AT SOME ELIT PLAYERS STILL ..:bang2:

[sadams]

dude he missed the last three games. Of course his numbers aren't as high.

11 tackles against Texas..... Best game against Nat'l champs.

HMMM...

I hate players who play their best games against the toughest comp.....

LOLOL

You guys are nuts this dude is awesome! OSU is a LB factory. He is exactly what we need.

[VACowboy]

But Lawson managed to get 14 sacks despite playing with the DE who was selected #1 in the entire draft...that's pretty impressive.

Carpenter played 11 games and only had 49 tackles, double digits against Texas....???


Lawson had 10.5 sacks, not 14.

[Doomsday101]

dude he missed the last three games. Of course his numbers aren't as high.

11 tackles against Texas..... Best game against Nat'l champs.

HMMM...

I hate players who play their best games against the toughest comp.....

LOLOL

You guys are nuts this dude is awesome! OSU is a LB factory. He is exactly what we need.

I agree and it is apparent some of these guys never saw Carpenter play and are basing opinion on stat sheets. Carpenter is a very good football player who was very consistant with OSU

[Screw The Hall]

NO IM USUALLY NOT A NEGATIVE THINKER BUT THIS SUCKS AND AT THE SAME TIME IM TYPING THE GIANTS HAVE THEIR CHANCE AT SOME ELIT PLAYERS STILL ..:bang2:

OK ... biggest thing is the Cowboys succeed ... if that means me being wrong, great. I was just checking, it's apparent alot of people on this board aren't similarly inclined.

[zrinkill]

OK ... biggest thing is the Cowboys succeed ... if that means me being wrong, great. I was just checking, it's apparent alot of people on this board aren't similarly inclined.

:hammer:

[Chrissyboy]

This from Charle's Robinson from Yahoo sports:

#18 Dallas, Bobby Carpenter OLB: Whoa. Huge surprise. Huge. Carpenter will likely have to be moved to the inside for the Cowboys in the 3-4 scheme. He doesn't fit on the outside from that set. Carpenter ran in the 4.6 range at Ohio State's pro day despite not being totally healthy. He's a great pursuit guy, but not a big hitter. One of the big questions is whether he can handle having to drop into pass coverage. Playing on the inside, that's not so much of a concern. - 3:05 pm EDT

Any thoughts?

Has he watched the same Bobby Carpenter everyone else has seen?!

[EMMITSWIFT]

OK ... biggest thing is the Cowboys succeed ... if that means me being wrong, great. I was just checking, it's apparent alot of people on this board aren't similarly inclined. I HOPE IM WRONG BUT I CAN THINK OF A FEW SUREFIRE PICKS AT THAT SPOT I WOULD OF WENT WITH ... WEVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH 2ND ROUNDERS , I PRAY WE GET A PLAYER TO ATLEAST CONTRIBUTE ... PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE

[fldude2k1]

Madden picture up
http://images.ea.com/sports/madden07/_img/draftday/draft_18.jpg

[big dog cowboy]

I HOPE IM WRONG BUT I CAN THINK OF A FEW SUREFIRE PICKS AT THAT SPOT I WOULD OF WENT WITH ... WEVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH 2ND ROUNDERS , I PRAY WE GET A PLAYER TO ATLEAST CONTRIBUTE ... PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Did you ever see Carp play?

[ConcordCowboy]

concord give me your thoughts I have been defending Carp all morning....

You know I'm just so Happy that the Cowboys picked Carpenter.

He had 8 sacks last year and he missed the Michigan and Notre Dame games!

Ware and Carpenter coming at you from both sides...:D

[ConcordCowboy]

Knew you'd love the pick.

Really...:D

[Doomsday101]

You know I'm just so Happy that the Cowboys picked Carpenter.

He had 8 sacks last year and he missed the Michigan and Notre Dame games!

Ware and Carpenter coming at you from both sides...:D

I'm sure you are. I was sold on Carpenter after the opening game this season aginst Texas. With the team speed of Texas I thought there was no way the OSU LB could handle Texas and even though OSU lost the game I gained a lot of respect for Carpenter and the LB core of OSU.

[ConcordCowboy]

Awesome, on the Ticket. they played audio from Parcells and jerry talking to Bobby Carpenter before they picked him...parcells said 'Look forward to working with you kid..." and Carp said"Look forward to winning a super bowl, coach"

Love it.


Beautiful!

[ConcordCowboy]

I'm sure you are. I was sold on Carpenter after the opening game this season aginst Texas. With the team speed of Texas I thought there was no way the OSU LB could handle Texas and even though OSU lost the game I gained a lot of respect for Carpenter and the LB core of OSU.

That was a Classic game!

That Game Tape should be burned!:D

[Doomsday101]

That was a Classic game!

That Game Tape should be burned!:D

I may be a Longhorns fan but I'm a fan of football and that was a though hard hitting game and OSU earn my respect afterwards. That was also when I felt UT really had a great chance to win the National title I felt if we coould withstand OSU so early in the season that we had a great chance to go all the way. By the way keep the tape because there were a lot of great players on the field that day and some are now in the NFL

[EMMITSWIFT]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Did you ever see Carp play?ACTUALLY IM FROM THE EAST COAST SO BASICALY YOUR INSULTING MY FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THERE ARE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BANWAGON FANS ON THE EAST , WE ARE ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL DIE HARD SPORTS FANS UNLIKE OUR COUNTERPARTS WESTWARD . I UNDERSTAND I ROOT FOR A SOUTHWEST TEAM BUT YOU CANT TEST MY KNOWLEDGE ON SPORTS PERIOD . ONLY DUMB *** BANDWAGON FANS ON THE EAST ARE REDSKIN FANS :suxskins: ..AND YES IVE SEEN CARPENTER PLAY PLENTY AND IM TELLING YOU HE WILL BE A MEDIOCRE PRO ....

[zrinkill]

ACTUALLY IM FROM THE EAST COAST SO BASICALY YOUR INSULTING MY FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THERE ARE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BANWAGON FANS ON THE EAST , WE ARE ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL DIE HARD SPORTS FANS UNLIKE OUR COUNTERPARTS WESTWARD . I UNDERSTAND I ROOT FOR A SOUTHWEST TEAM BUT YOU CANT TEST MY KNOWLEDGE ON SPORTS PERIOD . ONLY DUMB *** BANDWAGON FANS ON THE EAST ARE REDSKIN FANS :suxskins: ..AND YES IVE SEEN CARPENTER PLAY PLENTY AND IM TELLING YOU HE WILL BE A MEDIOCRE PRO ....

:rolleyes: sigh

I have said a hundred times ..... there needs to be an age limit on the forum.

[ConcordCowboy]

I may be a Longhorns fan but I'm a fan of football and that was a though hard hitting game and OSU earn my respect afterwards. That was also when I felt UT really had a great chance to win the National title I felt if we coould withstand OSU so early in the season that we had a great chance to go all the way. By the way keep the tape because there were a lot of great players on the field that day and some are now in the NFL

I felt too that after that Game Texas was going to win it all.

Hey if you can't win it all...You may as well lose to the team that did!:D

[Cowboy Lover]

Seems like a good guy although I have never been convinced about a guy who played was accompanied by such a great player in his posistion on his team.

Did you watch any of the games?

Every single anouncer praised Carp for his hard play, mental and emotional toughness. If he was so weak, other teams would have capitalized on him, but they couldn't. He's one tough sonvabeech.

[EMMITSWIFT]

:rolleyes: sigh

I have said a hundred times ..... there needs to be an age limit on the forum. ACTUALY IM 34 YRS OLD WITH A MEAN RIGHT HOOK GRANDPA :wink2:... UNLIKE ALOT OF FORUM GOERS IVE ACTUALLY PLAYED COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND STILL WORK OUT CONSISTENTLY . NOT TO MENTION HOW MUCH I LOVE FOOTBALL . SO PLEASE SPARE ME YOUR LIL BOY TALK BECAUSE YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME OLD MAN .

[jackrussell]

ACTUALY IM 34 YRS OLD WITH A MEAN RIGHT HOOK GRANDPA :wink2:... UNLIKE ALOT OF FORUM GOERS IVE ACTUALLY PLAYED COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND STILL WORK OUT CONSISTENTLY . NOT TO MENTION HOW MUCH I LOVE FOOTBALL . SO PLEASE SPARE ME YOUR LIL BOY TALK BECAUSE YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME OLD MAN .

I have a really big gun and sit on the couch and clean it not to mention how much i like to shoot it, and had 6 sacks in one game in high school.....

Next.....

[EMMITSWIFT]

I have a really big gun and sit on the couch and clean it not to mention how much i like to shoot it, and had 6 sacks in one game in high school.....

Next..... ONLY DIFFERENCE IS I HAVE THE HEART TO SHOOT YOU ON THE OTHER HAND WOULD BE SMACKED AND OUT OF A NICE FRESHLY CLEANED GUN ...

[MichaelWinicki]

Well I'm old, cranky and like to ban people.

Take note. ;)

Please cease and desist.

[zrinkill]

ACTUALY IM 34 YRS OLD WITH A MEAN RIGHT HOOK GRANDPA :wink2:... UNLIKE ALOT OF FORUM GOERS IVE ACTUALLY PLAYED COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND STILL WORK OUT CONSISTENTLY . NOT TO MENTION HOW MUCH I LOVE FOOTBALL . SO PLEASE SPARE ME YOUR LIL BOY TALK BECAUSE YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME OLD MAN .

My address is 621 west seale Nacogdoches Texas ..... come on internet tough guy. :laugh2:

[jackrussell]

ONLY DIFFERENCE IS I HAVE THE HEART TO SHOOT YOU ON THE OTHER HAND WOULD BE SMACKED AND OUT OF A NICE FRESHLY CLEANED GUN ...

WARNING....INTERNET TOUGH GUY.....YOU'VE ALL BEEN WARNED!!!!

[EMMITSWIFT]

Well I'm old, cranky and like to ban people.

Take note. ;)

Please cease and desist. I DONT ATTACK , I REACT:wink2:

[EMMITSWIFT]

My address is 621 west seale Nacogdoches Texas ..... come on internet tough guy. :laugh2: IM ON MY BIKE NOW , ILL BE THERE IN A FEW WEEKS ...

[zrinkill]

Children like to threaten from the safety of their keyboard .....

[MichaelWinicki]

I DONT ATTACK , I REACT:wink2:


I just ban cos I don't care.

:)

This is sports... nothing more.

Please ease up.

[zrinkill]

Not old enouth to drive I assume?

:rolleyes:

[WV Cowboy]

I didn't read through all 10 pages, so this may have been posted and discussed, but I thought I would throw it out there.

Carpenter was a very frustrating linebacker to evaluate, because he no doubt has the size, strength, playing speed and athleticism to be a productive all-around linebacker, but he is not one now, and he is unlikely to ever become one. While he tests out like a warrior, his lack of instincts hinder his ability to play up to his off-field workouts -- he is often a beat late moving at the snap and lacks the explosiveness to catch up once he loses a step. Overall, Carpenter is going to test out big time and will be drafted higher than rated because of it, but he will struggle to become the big-play impact linebacker that is expected of such high draft picks. He will develop into a good starting linebacker, who like many current NFL starters, makes a lot of tackles chasing down plays in pursuit, but does not make big plays to impact games. Carpenter broke an ankle against Michigan, so the ankle will need to pass tests before he is completely cleared.

Carpenter does not play up to his natural athletic ability -- no doubt, he does not play up to his 40 time. He lacks good instincts, which causes him to be a beat late moving at the snap and reacting to the play once it gets started, and he lacks the explosive burst to make up the ground and catch up. He struggles to stay with tight ends and running backs in man-to-man coverage; he allows separation out of cuts and can't get back into good position.

OUCH !

[kapolani]

I DONT ATTACK , I REACT:wink2:


You are an idiot.

I used to hunt people for a living. In the desert, jungle, where ever.

Idiots like you piss me off.

Why the hell are we still letting this guy post???

Hooyah class 195!

[jazzcat22]

I didn't read through all 10 pages, so this may have been posted and discussed, but I thought I would throw it out there.

Carpenter was a very frustrating linebacker to evaluate, because he no doubt has the size, strength, playing speed and athleticism to be a productive all-around linebacker, but he is not one now, and he is unlikely to ever become one. While he tests out like a warrior, his lack of instincts hinder his ability to play up to his off-field workouts -- he is often a beat late moving at the snap and lacks the explosiveness to catch up once he loses a step. Overall, Carpenter is going to test out big time and will be drafted higher than rated because of it, but he will struggle to become the big-play impact linebacker that is expected of such high draft picks. He will develop into a good starting linebacker, who like many current NFL starters, makes a lot of tackles chasing down plays in pursuit, but does not make big plays to impact games. Carpenter broke an ankle against Michigan, so the ankle will need to pass tests before he is completely cleared.

Carpenter does not play up to his natural athletic ability -- no doubt, he does not play up to his 40 time. He lacks good instincts, which causes him to be a beat late moving at the snap and reacting to the play once it gets started, and he lacks the explosive burst to make up the ground and catch up. He struggles to stay with tight ends and running backs in man-to-man coverage; he allows separation out of cuts and can't get back into good position.

OUCH !

Is this your writing, or was this taken from somewhere else.
This is way off base, and completely wrong. Did you watch this guy play...I did, He was right where he was supposed to be.

Don't believe I'm wasting my time responding, but waiting around for Dallas' 3rd pick, I need something to do.

After their pick, and reading this, I'm going out for a beer. You drive me to drink :laugh2:

[Rack Bauer]

concord give me your thoughts I have been defending Carp all morning....


Lightweight... I defended him for over 2 months.