All BPA, per Ireland on the Ticket

[Word Mofo]

Jeff Ireland says we went best player available on every round on the first day, and will continue to do so on the second day. Maybe that explains some of our picks

[soccerbud]

it was a very disappointing draft

[Eddie]

BPA with common sense should be the approach.

Pure linear thought without regard to impact is useless.

Drafting the BPA when we have a Pro Bowler in front of him and HUGE holes in other areas may NOT be the best approach. After the top 8-10 players, most of the next batch grade out very similar.

[RealCowboyfan]

Jeff Ireland says we went best player available on every round on the first day, and will continue to do so on the second day. Maybe that explains some of our picks

I think that Ireland should be tested for substances in his system... He is really smoked out in his head... So you telling me Hatcher was the best player availiable in the 3rd Round... and Fasano the best player in the second?

Only question I have is who's doing the smoking drugs in the Dallas Cowboys organization?

[tyke1doe]

I'm not talent evaluator or scout. So what do I know about whether this was a bad draft or not.

Again, we'll have to wait at least two years before we know the true draft grade.

[Word Mofo]

Yeah, I'm not really buying the best player available thing. At least Jerry was trying to spin Pasano at TE as a need

[DezBRomo9]

I think that Ireland should be tested for substances in his system... He is really smoked out in his head... So you telling me Hatcher was the best player availiable in the 3rd Round... and Fasano the best player in the second?

Only question I have is who's doing the smoking drugs in the Dallas Cowboys organization?

To look at it with a half full attitude....Hasnt their been a run on TE's and DE's. Do you think a player of Fasano's quality would have been availible a round later?

Why has Watkins slipped onto the second day if he was such a true FS? Same with Simpson. Hell, we still could draft either on the second day.

Only time will tell.

[Eskimo]

I'm not talent evaluator or scout. So what do I know about whether this was a bad draft or not.

Again, we'll have to wait at least two years before we know the true draft grade.

In principle, I agree with you. If Hatcher and Fasano are great players, all will be forgotten and Ireland will be hailed as a genius.

If they are only adequate players for where they were chosen, it was probably a big mistake because needs could have been addressed.

[Cowboys22]

Hold on. That would be drafting for need which pissed us off forever. I think people need to just realize that the Cowboys do not follow all these draft guides. They have scouts and watch film and know everthing about every prospect. We fans have a few draft guides with info that could have been written 6 months ago. I trust the team and if Ireland says each pick was the BPA on the Cowboys board then thats good enough for me. If these guys don't work out and this happen for a few years, then Ireland and the scouts dhould be fired for putting together crappy draft boards. For now, I'm content with waiting to see how these guys pan out and who we get tomorrow.

[Sasquatch]

I'm not talent evaluator or scout. So what do I know about whether this was a bad draft or not.

Again, we'll have to wait at least two years before we know the true draft grade.

One thing that we can say for certain at this point is that physically we're a much bigger team than two years ago. So far this year we seem to be drafting big intimidating types. Vintage Parcells.

[AdamJT13]

Rick Gosselin, whose Top 100 rankings have been BY FAR the most accurate each season, ranked Carpenter 18th overall, Fasano 54th overall and Hatcher 88th overall. We took Carpenter 18th, Fasano 53rd and Hatcher 92nd -- almost exactly where they should have gone.

[X-Dawg]

Rick Gosselin, whose Top 100 rankings have been BY FAR the most accurate each season, ranked Carpenter 18th overall, Fasano 54th overall and Hatcher 88th overall. We took Carpenter 18th, Fasano 53rd and Hatcher 92nd -- almost exactly where they should have gone.
So basically Jerry Cut Rick's Saturday morning Mock draft out and brought it to the draft room .

[Scotman]

Most people graded JuJo's draft as genius at the time. Look what that got us. Some players and some remaining potential, but not the coup many thought it was.

This draft may still be a good thing. I like the two TE set. I think Ellis' days are growing short so a big DE makes sense. He may even be a possible trade bait to take our newly acquired late fourth round pick and move up to the top of round four.

Who knows? I surely don't.

[big dog cowboy]

I think that Ireland should be tested for substances in his system... He is really smoked out in his head... So you telling me Hatcher was the best player availiable in the 3rd Round... and Fasano the best player in the second?
You must have missed JJ on the ticket or his press conference. He explained everything perfectly.

[neosapien23]

Rick Gosselin, whose Top 100 rankings have been BY FAR the most accurate each season, ranked Carpenter 18th overall, Fasano 54th overall and Hatcher 88th overall. We took Carpenter 18th, Fasano 53rd and Hatcher 92nd -- almost exactly where they should have gone.

Thanks man. You made me feel alot better.

[Eddie]

Again, we'll have to wait at least two years before we know the true draft grade.

One thing I know for certain ... when we throw sentences like "we need to wait 2 or more years to truly evaluate this draft" ... that's when I know we things up royally.

If we truly had a top notch draft like last year ... we KNOW it IMMEDIATELY!!!!

[JPM]

Why has Watkins slipped onto the second day if he was such a true FS? Same with Simpson. Hell, we still could draft either on the second day.


Thank you !!

[dstew60105]

Rick Gosselin, whose Top 100 rankings have been BY FAR the most accurate each season, ranked Carpenter 18th overall, Fasano 54th overall and Hatcher 88th overall. We took Carpenter 18th, Fasano 53rd and Hatcher 92nd -- almost exactly where they should have gone.

He was pretty right on with the Cowboys picks.

[X-Dawg]

You must have missed JJ on the ticket or his press conference. He explained everything perfectly.:laugh2: :laugh2: Everyone read that and roll it round your head for a moment.

[JPM]

One thing I know for certain ... when we throw sentences like "we need to wait 2 or more years to truly evaluate this draft" ... that's when I know we things up royally.

If we truly had a top notch draft like last year ... we KNOW it IMMEDIATELY!!!!

You mean like Bradie James ?

[Crown Royal]

Rick Gosselin, whose Top 100 rankings have been BY FAR the most accurate each season, ranked Carpenter 18th overall, Fasano 54th overall and Hatcher 88th overall. We took Carpenter 18th, Fasano 53rd and Hatcher 92nd -- almost exactly where they should have gone.

All due respect - his list ranks players on projected talent based on what scouts say.

Just because they are there on his list doesn't mean that they should have been taken by us.

[ravidubey]

Both Gilles and Simpson are still available heading into the 4th round. The Boys will probably have to trade up to get one of them, though.

[Eddie]

You mean like Bradie James ?


Bradie James was a fourth rounder. He's not the beast everyone wants to believe he is.

[JackMagist]

Carpenter was a good pick so I won't complain. I wanted Lawson and am convinced that the Parcells / Sexton incestuous relationship was the deciding factor. That and the fact that Parcells knows his Daddy.

I have no real problem with the Hatcher pick. We need guys to rotate in at the DE spots and give us depth should someone go down.

But how do they figure a TE with a bad back is a good second round pick. Three years tops and the third one will be on IR...just watch. This guy has a plate in his back for crying out loud; he is going to be Jacob Rogers all over again. BPA my ***

[Natedawg44]

I totally agree jack no way he was BPA he was a through and through Parcells pick. New Jersey guy, Italian TE, I'm surprized we didn't take him at 18.

[X-Dawg]

What was Kiper's take on Hatcher?

[X-Dawg]

I totally agree jack no way he was BPA he was a through and through Parcells pick. New Jersey guy, Italian TE, I'm surprized we didn't take him at 18.
Both Parcells' parents were Irish....so what does him being Italian have to do with it?

[big dog cowboy]

But how do they figure a TE with a bad back is a good second round pick. Three years tops and the third one will be on IR...just watch.
We are going with a 2 TE set on offense. We needed another pas catching/blocking TE and he was the best at both according to Ireland.

[Natedawg44]

Uh Mark Bavaro

[Tristan]

When your offensive line has been preventing your QB from getting the ball to your receivers, and your offensive line has allowed people to slam your RB right after he gets the hand off, and you have three first round caliber DE's and a pro bowl TE, YOU MAKE OFFENSIVE LINE A HIGH PRIORITY!

Get the dang TE and developmental DE later!

[CaptainAmerica]

Yeah I remember when we were stoked the day we picked Derek Ross and Antonio Bryant. You would think some people would learn.

[Bigdog24]

Spin it, package it call it the BPA, there is something really fishy with our picks this year...

Last year the Cowboys was seen to be one of the best drafts rated by everyone. 2006 draft just make everyone scratch there heads, its either a HERO or ZERO.

Look what who was drafted by Denver, New England, Tenn, Philly the NY Jets Even SD then compare them to Dallas????????

I'd give a second round pick for Jevon Walker in a Heart beat. instead we got another value pick at TE.

[Natedawg44]

All this means is we will probably see my main man Lynn Scott again sometime next year.

[EGG]

All due respect - his list ranks players on projected talent based on what scouts say.

Just because they are there on his list doesn't mean that they should have been taken by us.

Actually, if the philosophy is strictly BPA, then that is exactly what it means,,, assuming there are no sliding players to consider(and if they're sliding, there may be a good reason).

[VTEXPRESS]

it was a very disappointing draft
Because they didn't take the players you wanted?

[big dog cowboy]

I'd give a second round pick for Jevon Walker in a Heart beat. instead we got another value pick at TE.
We are going with a 2 TE set on offense. Why spend a #2 on Walker when we need a pass catching/blocking TE? Walker would have been a better player for us if we were going with a 3 WR set. Overall Walker is probably going to get better numbers than Fasano. But for our situation, Fasano is the better player. </spin>

[Bigdog24]

Because they didn't take the players you wanted?


No because it was full of value picks

I could have six pack of Budweiser but lets take a twelve pack of Plan label instead....

[sago1]

Well if Jerry cut out Gosselin's list and brought it along, he should have read the part where Gosselin ranked FS Calvin Lowry as 82 best player in top 100, several players above Hatcher. Lowry was described as just the kind of FS we need playing beside Roy Williams. I recognize both Fasano and Hatcher are pretty good players (and not lousy players are some on the board seem to think). My problem is we passed over players like Lowry that Gosselin rated higher then those we took and the passed over players were at positions we need. That's my gripe with last 2 picks.

[VTEXPRESS]

When your offensive line has been preventing your QB from getting the ball to your receivers, and your offensive line has allowed people to slam your RB right after he gets the hand off, and you have three first round caliber DE's and a pro bowl TE, YOU MAKE OFFENSIVE LINE A HIGH PRIORITY!

Get the dang TE and developmental DE later!
So you don't think a healthy Rivera and the FA pickups, will help solve that?

[4lifecowboy]

Well if Jerry cut out Gosselin's list and brought it along, he should have read the part where Gosselin ranked FS Calvin Lowry as 82 best player in top 100, several players above Hatcher. Lowry was described as just the kind of FS we need playing beside Roy Williams. I recognize both Fasano and Hatcher are pretty good players (and not lousy players are some on the board seem to think). My problem is we passed over players like Lowry that Gosselin rated higher then those we took and the passed over players were at positions we need. That's my gripe with last 2 picks.

So what you are saying is there are 3 FS on the board ranked in Gosselin's top 100 when we selected Hatcher, well IMO the logic would stand that there would be a good chance one would still be there in the next round.

[Mavs Man]

The IMMEDIATE consensus of the 2002 draft was that it was a huge success.

Four years later and Roy Williams is all we have to show for it (unless Gurode really improves soon).

Let's wait until the games are played (and the draft is actually OVER) until we call this a wasted draft.

[brewers47]

If Hatcher was the BPA i am almost scared to see what happens tomorrow

[VTEXPRESS]

Well if Jerry cut out Gosselin's list and brought it along, he should have read the part where Gosselin ranked FS Calvin Lowry as 82 best player in top 100, several players above Hatcher. Lowry was described as just the kind of FS we need playing beside Roy Williams. I recognize both Fasano and Hatcher are pretty good players (and not lousy players are some on the board seem to think). My problem is we passed over players like Lowry that Gosselin rated higher then those we took and the passed over players were at positions we need. That's my gripe with last 2 picks.
They can still get him. Maybe they thought somebody would grab Hatcher today. Lowry is still there.

[TheEnigma]

So what you are saying is there are 3 FS on the board ranked in Gosselin's top 100 when we selected Hatcher, well IMO the logic would stand that there would be a good chance one would still be there in the next round.

Logic is not allowed on a message board. Get that crap out of here and start reasoning with your emotions. :D

[Idgit]

Rick Gosselin, whose Top 100 rankings have been BY FAR the most accurate each season, ranked Carpenter 18th overall, Fasano 54th overall and Hatcher 88th overall. We took Carpenter 18th, Fasano 53rd and Hatcher 92nd -- almost exactly where they should have gone.

Not to mention the value of the extra draft picks we got for trading down.

[thewivil]

I totally agree jack no way he was BPA he was a through and through Parcells pick. New Jersey guy, Italian TE, I'm surprized we didn't take him at 18.

When you can spell correctly, your opinion will be taken seriously.

[Natedawg44]

and yours will matter when I'm actually talking to you.

[Dalmations202]

Logic, Logic.......the Cowboys draft gurus didn't use any this year, so why should any of the fans on this board?

[DiscipleofTuna]

Im sure the Eagle fans said the same thing when they drafted Sheppard and Brown in the upper rounds having Vincent and Taylor on lockdown at corner.

Im sure Patriot fans are saying that after drafting Thomas in the 3rd round even with

[Merlin]

Good playoff teams have the luxury of drafting the BPA. The Cowboys are not one of the teams that really had that luxury. There are some serious needs and you can draft BPA at those positions or trade down and pick up more picks. Taking a TE in the 2nd is absurd. Makes no sense at all and I am not even sure he was anywhere close to a BPA.

Guys need to realize that we are drafting PPA (Parcells). You factor that into the equation and now the draft makes sense but it was still horrible. Most of his guys that he has brought here have not panned out. There was Ryan Young and then he drafted Jacob Rogers. Both huge busts and there are others as well. New England took a good approch with Parcells and didnt give him total control over personnel. He got mad and left but they knew what they were doing, didnt they?

[adbutcher]

Not to mention the value of the extra draft picks we got for trading down.
:hammer:

I am just glad that I am not in situation where my life depended on a positive outlook by some of the posters because I would be dead as friend chicken.

BP and co know what they are doing, I wanted Manny Lawson but they selected Carpenter, get over it and move on. For the first time in a long time we were able to select the BPP per our board.

We might not agree but neither of us put the time and effort that Ireland, the scouts, and BP put into evaluating and developing their draft board. Watching msn / yahoo clips and repeating what the Mel Kiper's of the world doesn't count. When I look at this year's team we are by far the most talented since our 1990's run.

[BlueStar22]

Last year the Cowboys was seen to be one of the best drafts rated by everyone. 2006 draft just make everyone scratch there heads, its either a HERO or ZERO. picking twice in the first round had a lot to do with that.

[Crown Royal]

:hammer:

I am just glad that I am not in situation where my life depended on a positive outlook by some of the posters because I would be dead as friend chicken.

BP and co know what they are doing, I wanted Manny Lawson but they selected Carpenter, get over it and move on. For the first time in a long time we were able to select the BPP per our board.

We might not agree but neither of us put the time and effort that Ireland, the scouts, and BP put into evaluating and developing their draft board. Watching msn / yahoo clips and repeating what the Mel Kiper's of the world doesn't count. When I look at this year's team we are by far the most talented since our 1990's run.
Why do I keep seeing this as some sore of directive to blindly agree with what our front office has chosen?

Larry Lacewell and Jerry Jones worked dillegently to review players, determine their ability, etc., and all that hard work didn't make those drafts better.

Why does Jeff Ireland & Co seem to get all this respect? I mean, not trying to knock them (yet), but I'm not going to crown them based on the one successful draft thus far!

[Deep_Freeze]

My thought is this, I see nothing wrong with BPA, especially for a team that went deep into the playoffs. But we aren't in that situation yet.

But I will say that you can also do BPA in moderation. We can fill some needs on the first day then BPA the second day. Or fill needs with the first and second pick, then BPA after that. Whatever, but the point is I don't think this team was ready to go BPA after the first pick.

[adbutcher]

Why do I keep seeing this as some sore of directive to blindly agree with what our front office has chosen?

Larry Lacewell and Jerry Jones worked dillegently to review players, determine their ability, etc., and all that hard work didn't make those drafts better.

Why does Jeff Ireland & Co seem to get all this respect? I mean, not trying to knock them (yet), but I'm not going to crown them based on the one successful draft thus far!
You can only go by demonstrated ability. The Lacewell/Jones connection failed miserably after our championship runs, if you can't see that then I don't know what to say to convince you otherwise.

As far as the new regime, they have improved the team each year they have been here and I don't see that changing with this draft.

It is your right to complain but ask yourself are you complaining because you are ignorant or is it justifiable. Most here never heard of the players so instead of investigating who they are, they just pulled out the umbrellas and proclaimed the sky is falling. I rather take in the information (scouting reports/pre-season/regular season) before I draw my conclusions.

[Chuck 54]

BPA with common sense should be the approach.

Pure linear thought without regard to impact is useless.

Drafting the BPA when we have a Pro Bowler in front of him and HUGE holes in other areas may NOT be the best approach. After the top 8-10 players, most of the next batch grade out very similar.
The Giants must be using the same system since they reached to select an underachieving DE in round 1 when they have the two best in the NFC east....go figure.

[adbutcher]

The Giants must be using the same system since they reached to select an underachieving DE in round 1 when they have the two best in the NFC east....go figure.
There is no arguing the point against so many that can do a better job then BP and the revamped scouting department. :rolleyes:

[Eddie]

The Giants must be using the same system since they reached to select an underachieving DE in round 1 when they have the two best in the NFC east....go figure.

Go figure, considering Strahan is probably in his final season.

[Vertigo_17]

One thing I know for certain ... when we throw sentences like "we need to wait 2 or more years to truly evaluate this draft" ... that's when I know we things up royally.

If we truly had a top notch draft like last year ... we KNOW it IMMEDIATELY!!!!

why, cause these aren't the sexy media picks? don't the guys need to play a couple of actual NFL games before we know how they turned out?

[Awakened]

No because it was full of value picks

I could have six pack of Budweiser but lets take a twelve pack of Plan label instead....

Better yet, I could have a pint of Guinness but lets take a six pack of Budweiser instead...

[big dog cowboy]

If Hatcher was the BPA i am almost scared to see what happens tomorrow
You should be. As should the rest of the league. More home runs like the Hatcher pick, we will have a shut down D before long.

[Crown Royal]

You can only go by demonstrated ability. The Lacewell/Jones connection failed miserably after our championship runs, if you can't see that then I don't know what to say to convince you otherwise.

As far as the new regime, they have improved the team each year they have been here and I don't see that changing with this draft.

It is your right to complain but ask yourself are you complaining because you are ignorant or is it justifiable. Most here never heard of the players so instead of investigating who they are, they just pulled out the umbrellas and proclaimed the sky is falling. I rather take in the information (scouting reports/pre-season/regular season) before I draw my conclusions.

Ireland and CO have been here one year - their first, no doubt, they did a phenomenal job.

But there hasn't been a move this offseason that hasn't been scrutinized, and that will continue to be.

I had never heard of Hatcher before the pick, but I had heard of Fasano.

From what I can gather, they are good players, and maybe we did consider them BPA. It isn't the quality of players I question - it's the philosophy of drafting them.

[Deep_Freeze]

I still don't think we are ready for BPA for the whole draft after the first pick, we just aren't good enough yet. Fill 2 needs on day one at least, not one.

[Kangaroo]

Ireland was here lacewells last year he was just not the main guy he was promoted from within.

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

As far as the new regime, they have improved the team each year they have been here and I don't see that changing with this draft.

It is your right to complain but ask yourself are you complaining because you are ignorant or is it justifiable. Most here never heard of the players so instead of investigating who they are, they just pulled out the umbrellas and proclaimed the sky is falling. I rather take in the information (scouting reports/pre-season/regular season) before I draw my conclusions.

Bill's first year we scraped a playoff spot. The second year we punked out the last 4-5 games. So your reason for saying we improved each year is what again?

Manster also asked why we droped on Hatcher like a pile of bricks when we hadn't seen him play. Maybe because we did watch wining teams with better players that were still available. Draw your conclusions as you will. I was disappointed with our first pick but believe he has some talent. I think our FA TE from Seattle was a better player for two tight ends formations. I hope our second round pick can do at least as well if we keep 4 TEs this year. The third round pick is just a mystery to me. Can he play special teams or lead block on third and five from the five?

Tommorow is depth and special team players day. That is why I am so disapointed with todays draft, we already got our depth and special teamers on day 1.

[Eddie]

Bill's first year we scraped a playoff spot. The second year we punked out the last 4-5 games. So your reason for saying we improved each year is what again?

Manster also asked why we droped on Hatcher like a pile of bricks when we hadn't seen him play. Maybe because we did watch wining teams with better players that were still available. Draw your conclusions as you will. I was disappointed with our first pick but believe he has some talent. I think our FA TE from Seattle was a better player for two tight ends formations. I hope our second round pick can do at least as well if we keep 4 TEs this year. The third round pick is just a mystery to me. Can he play special teams or lead block on third and five from the five?

Tommorow is depth and special team players day. That is why I am so disapointed with todays draft, we already got our depth and special teamers on day 1.



Same reason I'm disappointed. Day 1 is meant for starters and impact players. Not sure we found any impact players.

I'm sure Carpenter will have a long, undistinguished career as just another OLB.

Fasano will battle for the 2nd TE spot ... and if he loses out, he'll sit the pine.

Hatcher is another developmental type ... though, I had expected us to start with the experimentals AFTER the 4th round. Not the 3rd.

I'm not holding my breath for any super stars on Sunday. If we draft for the unspectacular, that's what we get.

I'm not sure too many playoff and Super Bowl teams were built around an OLB, a backup TE, and a developmental DE.

[big dog cowboy]

Taking a TE in the 2nd is absurd. Makes no sense at all and I am not even sure he was anywhere close to a BPA.
I guess you either believe Ireland and Jerry Jones or you don't. Clearly we know where you stand. As for drafting the BPA, we did have an outstanding crop of free agents added to our roster already this off season. The bottom line, our roster has been upgraded big time in the last year. We are considered super bowl contenders. Ireland and JJ are making the moves they feel necessary. While every addition isn't a home run, overall their track record is damn impressive since BP and JJ got serious a year ago.

[big dog cowboy]

I'm not sure too many playoff and Super Bowl teams were built around an OLB, a backup TE, and a developmental DE.
Me either. I'm just happy as hell we didn't get any of those.

[Jimz31]

Rick Gosselin, whose Top 100 rankings have been BY FAR the most accurate each season, ranked Carpenter 18th overall, Fasano 54th overall and Hatcher 88th overall. We took Carpenter 18th, Fasano 53rd and Hatcher 92nd -- almost exactly where they should have gone.

Well then....why don't we just let Gosselin do the drafting for us? Perhaps he is.

Shoot, why doesn't the NFL just let Gosselin decide who goes where in the NFL? :D

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well then....why don't we just let Gosselin do the drafting for us? Perhaps he is.

Shoot, why doesn't the NFL just let Gosselin decide who goes where in the NFL? :D


Or we could have fans on message boards do it for the boys. :laugh2:

[Mash]

When we draft high......we seem to have better drafts....coincidence?

When we draft in the late teens or 20's......we struggle it seems.....

or better yet....we can give Parcells the Campo and trade 2 firsts for a Galloway.

[Jimz31]

Or we could have fans on message boards do it for the boys. :laugh2:

I'm up for that. :bow:

[Derinyar]

Definately not a sexy draft. Time will tell if it is a good draft.

For all the people saying fill a need you can't take straight BPA, realize that a teams board is build with need in mind also. You shouldn't take a player that you consider much lesser because he fills a need. If you have Fasano rated at a certian level and the next player you need is rated lower, after likely being adjusted upward, then your reaching to fill a hole.

[Fred Smith]

I'm not going to be so quick to criticize the first day picks. I've been a fan long enough to know we went into one draft needing cornerbacks - and drafted Dwayne Goodrich, Kareem Larrimore, and Mario Edwards - all CBs. Only problem was, none of them could play. We went into another draft needing offensive linemen and picked Jacob Rogers in the 2nd round and Stephen Peterman in the 3rd round. Only problem was, neither could play.....maybe it's better to get guys in here who can play, rather than guys who can't, just simply because we need a certain position.

[VTEXPRESS]

No because it was full of value picks

I could have six pack of Budweiser but lets take a twelve pack of Plan label instead....

I don't drink but, wouldn't the plain twelve pack get you drunker?
I thought that's what drinking was all about.

And far as value goes, how do you determine who is the higher value players?
I would love to see YOUR value board. How long have you been a scout?
How much tape of prospects have you watched?

[AdamJT13]

Well then....why don't we just let Gosselin do the drafting for us? Perhaps he is.

Shoot, why doesn't the NFL just let Gosselin decide who goes where in the NFL? :D

Gosselin has enough good sources to find out how teams have players ranked and where they're going to be drafted. If Gosselin ranks a guy 54th or 88th, there's a good chance that player is going to be drafted right around that spot, because that's about where a lot of teams have him ranked.

[TheEnigma]

Or we could have fans on message boards do it for the boys. :laugh2:

I'm liking the idea, a football team owned, paid for, and run by the fans. :D

Or, we could have a football team that people buy stock in. The more stock you own, the more say-so you have in the team.

[BigDFan5]

Gosselin has enough good sources to find out how teams have players ranked and where they're going to be drafted. If Gosselin ranks a guy 54th or 88th, there's a good chance that player is going to be drafted right around that spot, because that's about where a lot of teams have him ranked.


All you have to do to figure that out is look at his top 100, out of the 97 picks made, 88 of them were on his top 100 list Thats about 91% accuracy

[Death Star]

Rick Gosselin, whose Top 100 rankings have been BY FAR the most accurate each season, ranked Carpenter 18th overall, Fasano 54th overall and Hatcher 88th overall. We took Carpenter 18th, Fasano 53rd and Hatcher 92nd -- almost exactly where they should have gone.

Here's the thing though, here's some players from Gosselin's top 100 list who will still be available on day 2 and are ranked less than 92 (when we picked the 88th ranked Hatcher):

56. Demetrius Willaims WR
57. Max Jean-Gilles OG
58. Ko Simpson FS
67. Victor Adeyanju DE
70. Gabe Watson DT
73. Kyle Williams DT
80. Darnell Bing SS
89. Parys Haralson DE

No doubt that list was much more robust when we took Fasano in the 2nd round, with players available at that point that were rated higher than Fasano at 54.

So, while it would be accurate to say we picked players that were close to their projected value on Gosselin's list, technically speaking we did not pick the BPA at each spot, simply the closest pick to our actual pick. If we had gotten D. Williams or better yet Jean-Gilles or Simpson in round 3, then it would have been the BPA from Gosselin's list.

[Kangaroo]

Here's the thing though, here's some players from Gosselin's top 100 list who will still be available on day 2 and are less than 92 (when we picked the 88th ranked Hatcher):

56. Demetrius Willaims WR
57. Max Jean-Gilles OG
58. Ko Simpson FS
67. Victor Adeyanju DE
70. Gabe Watson DT
73. Kyle Williams DT
80. Darnell Bing SS
89. Parys Haralson DE

No doubt that list was much more robust when we took Fasano in the 2nd round, with players available at that point that were rated higher than Fasano at 54.

So, while it would be accurate to say we picked players that were close to their projected value on Gosselin's list, technically speaking we did not pick the BPA at each spot, simply the closest pick to our actual pick. If we had gotten D. Williams or better yet Jean-Gilles in round 3, then it would have been the BPA.

But you are looking at an average of what teams think a player is rated at not where every team to the T. You also have to rember some teams will take a guy off the board who is very talented because of off the field; medical concerns or because they think he is a knuckle head or what ever reason. So on Dallas board Williams ranking may have not been rated higher because of off the field trouble etc.

Now if we drafted a guy rated 88 by 99% of the league and we take him at 54 then we reached if there is a guy rated 48 and 53 on Goose board but the guy ranked 48 is not on the board for what ever reason but the guy we ranked in that round is there and you draft him he is your BPA.

[Bob Sacamano]

Last year the Cowboys was seen to be one of the best drafts rated by everyone. 2006 draft just make everyone scratch there heads, its either a HERO or ZERO.

maybe that's why we should think the braintrust knows what they're doing then don't you think?

[Bob Sacamano]

My thought is this, I see nothing wrong with BPA, especially for a team that went deep into the playoffs. But we aren't in that situation yet.

true, we aren't that team, but we already filled alot of needs in free agency , or should have, that allowed us to look elsewhere instead of being trapped in the position of picking strictly by need

[Qwickdraw]

How is Fasano the BPA when Greg Jennings si still on the board?

[Rack Bauer]

One thing I know for certain ... when we throw sentences like "we need to wait 2 or more years to truly evaluate this draft" ... that's when I know we things up royally.

If we truly had a top notch draft like last year ... we KNOW it IMMEDIATELY!!!!


Like we did in 2002?



It isn't the quality of players I question - it's the philosophy of drafting them.

The only questionable pick is Hatcher. But anyone that gets compared to Richard Seymour should get a pass until we get to see him play. If he turns out that good, then isn't a good thing?


And considering we'll be running a 2 TE system next year TE was an actual NEED pick. Or did you think the career 15 catches by the TEs behing Witten would be a threat to opposing defenses? Fasano is a solid overall TE. It was thought he had a rod in his back. It's not a rod, it's a plate. Serious? Maybe. None of us really know what it means, we just hear "plate in his back" and think the worst possible thing.



I still don't think we are ready for BPA for the whole draft after the first pick, we just aren't good enough yet. Fill 2 needs on day one at least, not one.


If we only had ONE good WR, and drafted another one would you consider it a bad thing?


We're running a 2 TE system but only had ONE good TE. Fasano DOES fill a need.

[Deep_Freeze]

true, we aren't that team, but we already filled alot of needs in free agency , or should have, that allowed us to look elsewhere instead of being trapped in the position of picking strictly by need

Understood, if we are really going to run a 2 TE set as our base set, then our 2nd round pick can be seen as a pick of need. Remains to be seen if we will change our base sets on offense for this second round rookie, but if we do, then the pick is worth it.

[Deep_Freeze]

If we only had ONE good WR, and drafted another one would you consider it a bad thing?


We're running a 2 TE system but only had ONE good TE. Fasano DOES fill a need.

Agreed, this post was made before I knew that we are supposed to be running a 2 TE base set. If that is the case, and JJ isn't just selling the 2 TE base set just to sell us on the pick, then I agree that it is a need. Drafting Fasano as a backup would have been a mistake, but if they are going to change our base set for this second round rookie, then the pick looks a whole lot better.

[Jarv]

No because it was full of value picks

I could have six pack of Budweiser but lets take a twelve pack of Plan label instead....

Schaffer beats Budweiser almost every year in blind taste test.

Brand and marketing vs. true value blind unsuspecting comsumers all of the time.

[kmd24]

Fasano is a solid overall TE. It was thought he had a rod in his back. It's not a rod, it's a plate. Serious? Maybe. None of us really know what it means, we just hear "plate in his back" and think the worst possible thing.

My understanding of fusions (it was a fusion, right?) is that the fusion actually strengthens the back from a structural standpoint but causes a lack of flexibility.

Might not be a big deal, but we'd probably all feel better if he'd never needed it in the first place.

The thing I like about the pick is that it is the one area on offense where a player can have an immediate impact. Almost any other player on the board in the second round would be a backup at best. Fasano will most likely be playing on Sundays.

[MichaelWinicki]

Agreed, this post was made before I knew that we are supposed to be running a 2 TE base set. If that is the case, and JJ isn't just selling the 2 TE base set just to sell us on the pick, then I agree that it is a need. Drafting Fasano as a backup would have been a mistake, but if they are going to change our base set for this second round rookie, then the pick looks a whole lot better.


I think going to a 2-TE set is good.

To me, Fasano is already light years better than Polite. And that improves our offense immensely.

[Bigdog24]

Jerry Jones and Bill Parcels drafted like they have already won the superbowl. Drafting project players in the 3rd a TE in the second and Carpenter in the 1st (that was ok).

But from a Fans point of view, I still remember getting whipped bye the SKINS TWICE. How the Cowboys could not cover anyone late in the season. How the OL couldn't stop anyone. They drafted who, think about that who did they draFT! Project players.

Now if they turn out to be the next Bill Bates, Reggie White or Jay Novacek then so be it, but can you aford to gamble with players when you can't even make in to the playoffs

[speedkilz88]

Carpenter and Fasano aren't projects. ?

[Dalmations202]

My opinion is that Jerry and Bill are old and senile.

They drafted two players in the top three that are at positions that force them later to admit that one of their draft picks was a BUST, and arguably all three of them. TE, then Pierce or Whitten (we know not), Fascano or Ryan will never start. Either that or they busted in FA with Hamman.

At DE, they have Spears, Canty, Ratliff, Ellis. Then they draft a DE. Either Spears, Canty, or Ratliff are a BUST, or they wouldn't have drafted a DE.

At LB, they have Ware, James, Burnett, and recently inked young Akin -- as well as Shanle. They either busted with one of them, or Carpenter shouldn't have been a need. (This may have been a good pick, but it is still admitting a draft or FA BUST)

I personally believe you draft starters, or to replace starters, not backups.

Now everyone who thinks Dallas has had a great draft day -- let me be Jerry for a few minutes. I have lots and lots of ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. It is beautiful, and the fish always bite. There is plenty of depth to start a business off the docks. No traffic, no polution, just a paradise, and we only charge 250K an acre, and we have all the acres you could ever want. Just buy it now.

Back to me now: Why would you draft two people from positions of strength on the team? RB and QB should be next as far as how they have drafted so far.

[MichaelWinicki]

Carpenter and Fasano aren't projects. ?

No they aren't projects.

[MichaelWinicki]

My opinion is that Jerry and Bill are old and senile.

They drafted two players in the top three that are at positions that force them later to admit that one of their draft picks was a BUST, and arguably all three of them. TE, then Pierce or Whitten (we know not), Fascano or Ryan will never start. Either that or they busted in FA with Hamman.

At DE, they have Spears, Canty, Ratliff, Ellis. Then they draft a DE. Either Spears, Canty, or Ratliff are a BUST, or they wouldn't have drafted a DE.

At LB, they have Ware, James, Burnett, and recently inked young Akin -- as well as Shanle. They either busted with one of them, or Carpenter shouldn't have been a need. (This may have been a good pick, but it is still admitting a draft or FA BUST)

I personally believe you draft starters, or to replace starters, not backups.

Now everyone who thinks Dallas has had a great draft day -- let me be Jerry for a few minutes. I have lots and lots of ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. It is beautiful, and the fish always bite. There is plenty of depth to start a business off the docks. No traffic, no polution, just a paradise, and we only charge 250K an acre, and we have all the acres you could ever want. Just buy it now.

Back to me now: Why would you draft two people from positions of strength on the team? RB and QB should be next as far as how they have drafted so far.

Dallas did draft two starters...

:rolleyes:

[CoCo]

Max-Jean Gilles

Did see that while he is considered a talent that he is purely straight ahead, gets beat by quickness & speed and can't pull. We just released that guy a month or so ago.

As soon as I read Gilles profile I figured he would not be a fit here.

[iceberg]

Jeff Ireland says we went best player available on every round on the first day, and will continue to do so on the second day. Maybe that explains some of our picks

but but but...we're moving to a (2) TE set - so we *needed* a TE...

and the TE we get is a parcells wet dream of players he can simply no longer pull in, so he takes their younger clone instead.

sorry - which is it? are we moving to a planned (2) TE set, and then we drafted for "need" or did we take BPA and the (2) TE set is an after-the-fact answer for fans?

there's a lie in here somewhere. : )

[adbutcher]

We didn't need to draft a TE, we signed a pretty good one from Seattle so you can put your tired song to rest.

[iceberg]

We didn't need to draft a TE, we signed a pretty good one from Seattle so you can put your tired song to rest.

the "he's a bavaro!!!" screams bp wanted mark probably, but he got reminded during the basket weaving class as the old-coaches home that bavaro was too old, so bp said "find me an italian that looks like him and we'll do it!"

that bill will find a way to get BP players on his team. : )

[adbutcher]

the "he's a bavaro!!!" screams bp wanted mark probably, but he got reminded during the basket weaving class as the old-coaches home that bavaro was too old, so bp said "find me an italian that looks like him and we'll do it!"

that bill will find a way to get BP players on his team. : )
It is apparent that all of your angst is centered on bashing BP and Fas is just your mechanism. Needless to say we had two good TE prior to the draft and with the selection of the BPA we now have 3. Hav ing a lot of good players is a good thing, is it not?

[CactusCowboy]

it was a very disappointing draft

No it was not

[iceberg]

It is apparent that all of your angst is centered on bashing BP and Fas is just your mechanism. Needless to say way had two good TE prior to the draft and with the selection of the BPA we now have 3.

oh, this isn't bashing, ad. i have no love for bp, no. and i've said (which you choose to ignore) that i'm not bashing fas as that's not fair - but look at him and the bavaro comparisons and look at how much bill has gone out of his way to get older BP players he's familiar with.

maybe it's just coincidence, sure. or maybe it's an unhealthy facination with the past bp can't let go of.

and thanks for the reminder - all teams have (3) starting TE's on the team. i tend to forget that need of ours we've been overlooking for years.

[Pokes28]

The thing is that some of you don't consider that a very large number of players simply aren't on Dallas' draft board. I think Jean-Gilles is most likely one of those guys that wouldn't ever be drafted by Dallas. It is possible that there are similar things for some of the other players.

I love the Bobby Carpenter pick. I think he's a much better fit for our needs than Lawson. But just like last year, we'll just have to see.

And the drafting of Carpenter in no way makes the Cowboy's signings busts thus far. This team uses 4 LBs. That means we will most likely have a couple injuries to deal with throughout the season. A 3-4 sucks if you don't have the LBs to play it.

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

[adbutcher]

oh, this isn't bashing, ad. i have no love for bp, no. and i've said (which you choose to ignore) that i'm not bashing fas as that's not fair - but look at him and the bavaro comparisons and look at how much bill has gone out of his way to get older BP players he's familiar with.

maybe it's just coincidence, sure. or maybe it's an unhealthy facination with the past bp can't let go of.

and thanks for the reminder - all teams have (3) starting TE's on the team. i tend to forget that need of ours we've been overlooking for years.
That's cool but most if not all coaches look for players they are familiar with. Like it or not but BP's system is what made him successful and that is the formula we are going with. We are tied to his hip for good, bad, or indifference.

I am hoping for the good and so far he has transformed this team into one in his image, now I hope that his formula can be successful in this day and age. It should be fun watching.

[iceberg]

That's cool but most if not all coaches look for players they are familiar with. Like it or not but BP's system is what made him successful and that is the formula we are going with. We are tied to his hip for good, bad, or indifference.



except i don't see us going by the formula in as much his older players. use that formula on young guys and let's build out for the long haul - not load up on 2-3 year players and make a quick run.

[big dog cowboy]

How is Fasano the BPA when Greg Jennings si still on the board?
Jennings was taken one spot ahead of Fasano.

[big dog cowboy]

Understood, if we are really going to run a 2 TE set as our base set, then our 2nd round pick can be seen as a pick of need. Remains to be seen if we will change our base sets on offense for this second round rookie, but if we do, then the pick is worth it.
According to JJ that is the plan. Polite and the FB position will probably be a thing of the past.

Fasano > Polite

[big dog cowboy]

We didn't need to draft a TE, we signed a pretty good one from Seattle so you can put your tired song to rest.
Actually JJ said that going to a 2 TE set that we needed 3 good TE's. Don't know anything about a tired song but this guy will help our offense much more than Polite did.

[speedkilz88]

If Bill is right about Fasano being a clone of Bavaro, what the heck is wrong with that? Bavaro is a legend in giant land.

[Eskimo]

My understanding of fusions (it was a fusion, right?) is that the fusion actually strengthens the back from a structural standpoint but causes a lack of flexibility.

Might not be a big deal, but we'd probably all feel better if he'd never needed it in the first place.

The thing I like about the pick is that it is the one area on offense where a player can have an immediate impact. Almost any other player on the board in the second round would be a backup at best. Fasano will most likely be playing on Sundays.

I have seen a number of people over the years where the plate fatigues and eventually fractures - it is usually not that big of a deal in and of itself. The plate is usually just there to provide mechanical strength until bony fusion occurs.

I don't know why Fasano needed the surgery - I might be able to comment more if I knew.

The other thing about fusions is they create excess mobility on either side of the fusion and this tends to lead to early degeneration of these joints. To act as though this should not be a cause for concern is to be blindly optimistic.

[speedkilz88]

PFW has a three teir medical risk warning. One X for a minor medical problem, TWO Xs, Three Xs for major medical problem. Fasano only got one X. I would like to find out more about his problem though.

[iceberg]

PFW has a three teir medical risk warning. One X for a minor medical problem, TWO Xs, Three Xs for major medical problem. Fasano only got one X. I would like to find out more about his problem though.

he has screwsplates in his spinal cord, i think is what i've heard.

[LaTunaNostra]

Both Parcells' parents were Irish....so what does him being Italian have to do with it?
Actually, his mom was of Italian ancestry, so obviously this Fasano pick was in honor of her like the Sean Ryan pick was in honor of his dad a few years go. :rolleyes:

What I hope is that Bill is on speaking terms with Charlie Weis again, and got a scoop on this kid that other teams didn't.

One of the advantages of having a far seeded coaching tree is the information relay. Hopefully, Weis plugged Fasano as a a smart gutsy player who 'got' the pro-style offense Charlie ran at Notre Dame.

Anyone who saw the upsurge in that ND O last year was impressed..Fasano was part of it and that speaks to his pro readiness.

This guy ain't replacing Jason and no way do I see his pick as any ulterior motive on Jerry's part to play hard ball with Witten come contract time(s). But his presence may finally enable the offensive design Bill wants.

The Fasano pick seems to meet the criteria of both value and need.

The health issue is a valid concern, but hard to find fault with the pick as a potential Jacob Rogers clone.

[Rockytop6]

Jeff Ireland says we went best player available on every round on the first day, and will continue to do so on the second day. Maybe that explains some of our picks

What would anybody expect Ireland to say? Do you think Ireland would tell all the media people, "There were better players on the board when we picked these guys!"

[CrazyCowboy]

I think that Ireland should be tested for substances in his system... He is really smoked out in his head... So you telling me Hatcher was the best player availiable in the 3rd Round... and Fasano the best player in the second?

Only question I have is who's doing the smoking drugs in the Dallas Cowboys organization?

To be fair, we will have to give this draft time. Going by Ireland's brief draft history of one year, he is AWESOME! Therefore, I will judge this draft after training camp and pre-season games before I suggest Mr. Ireland should be tested for any type of substance! :bang2: