Can you believe that we got Terry Glenn for a 5th round draft pick?

[Galian Beast]

He was 28 years old when he joined the cowboys too. It isn't like he is/was old. This was such a good deal for us. Green Bay probably has THE worst front office management in football. Up there with the fmr Vikings and Browns.

In 3 years in dallas (38 games) he has 2290 yards receiving. 14 touchdowns. And has only increased his yards per catch every year. (better qb every year).

Last year was his career best year.

His 62 receptions rank 4th in his career. With a high of 90.
His 1136 yards receiving ranks 2nd in his career. With a high of 1147.
His 18.3 yards per reception ranks 1st in his career.
His 7 touchdowns rank 1st in his career.

In two years he will easily replace his history with New England, and become known as simply a Dallas Cowboy. Before Flozell went down this year, he was on pace for over 1600 yards receiving.

[TheOneROWilliE]

yah terry is the man!....him i hope him and T.O tear it up next year

[aznhalf]

Well, he had some character issues which explains why we got him so cheap.

Luckily Bill and co. has put him on track, a definate steal for us!

[Doomsday]

Its pretty amazing when you consider the Beagles got a 4th for Hollis Thomas.

[Danny White]

You have to remember, Glenn was down to his "ninth life" when we traded for him. He had been unspectacular and was on his way out of the league.

The re-marriage of Bill Parcells and him saved his career.

[JBell523]

I remember it being a 6th rounder.. and GB was about to release him... of course they didn't feel Glenn was only worth a 6th rounder, but they were about to release him for nothing, but instead got a 6th.

[trickblue]

I remember it being a 6th rounder.. and GB was about to release him... of course they didn't feel Glenn was only worth a 6th rounder, but they were about to release him for nothing, but instead got a 6th.

yep... it was a 6th... makes the deal even better...

[theebs]

Yeah it was a 6th we sent to gb in the 04 draft, green bay used it on some spare dt that I dont believe is with the team anymore..

Dont you think it is interesting that parcells has never been given credit for this ever, all the media here just says parcells and his guys..etc...

This was a ridiculous trade. Green bay had a big contract with him and had no use for him so we gave up a 6th and glenn agreed to play for less money than his original contract in green bay. All because of parcells.

[Dallas]

I loves me some Terry Glenn !!

[Eddie]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

[MissionCoach]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

Which brings up the age old question...is it better to be pissed off, or pissed on???;)

[Galian Beast]

After the Herschel Walker trade the Cowboys under Jerry Jones can not be considered stupid. He has done enough to buy himself amnesty on any future stupidity with that move.

Chalk up the trade that delt us Julius Jones and Marcus Spears also netted us Drew Bledsoe and many others... which is probably the second best trade in cowboys history. And will probably lead to a super bowl.

[jackrussell]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

http://www.mysticalpassage.com/files/33680.jpg

[gbrittain]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

Man, sometimes I think I am a little too critical of what is going on at Valley Ranch but all I have to do is read one of your posts and suddenly I feel like a candystriper passing along good cheer to all.

[thewivil]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

You make Satan seem like a nice guy.

[CrazyCowboy]

He was 28 years old when he joined the cowboys too. It isn't like he is/was old. This was such a good deal for us. Green Bay probably has THE worst front office management in football. Up there with the fmr Vikings and Browns.

In 3 years in dallas (38 games) he has 2290 yards receiving. 14 touchdowns. And has only increased his yards per catch every year. (better qb every year).

Last year was his career best year.

His 62 receptions rank 4th in his career. With a high of 90.
His 1136 yards receiving ranks 2nd in his career. With a high of 1147.
His 18.3 yards per reception ranks 1st in his career.
His 7 touchdowns rank 1st in his career.

In two years he will easily replace his history with New England, and become known as simply a Dallas Cowboy. Before Flozell went down this year, he was on pace for over 1600 yards receiving.

With a true receiver on his opposite side, I would not be surprised if this year will be his very best.

[jja050575]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

If i remember correctly, James McKnight did pretty good didn't he?

[iceberg]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

eddie eddie eddie - you in competition with me for the most bleak outlook of our current direction???

i see from a lot of replies people think you're being negative. i'd call it "keeping it real" but just can't bring myself to do the "parcells homie" act as well.

the fact is we can laugh at GB for this and feel mighty and superior for a bit, but we've dry-humped the pooch a lot ourselves and we tend to forget that in our giddyness and need to feel superior.

yay we got glenn for a 6th rounder. yay us. we rule and stuff.

there, maybe that will help balance things out. : )

[iceberg]

If i remember correctly, James McKnight did pretty good didn't he?

would depend on how you choose to define "pretty good". he was ok for a few years and then went to miami, right? since i've not thought of him in "forever" he ranks up there with a peerless price, or that wr from denver we got many years ago we thought would be good but never was. what a swift move of brilliance that was!!!

[DeWare94]

green bay is pretty bad with that tho, when i was watchin the draft and i saw that they traded with the broncos, i thought in my mind, javon walker for this pick and ashley lelie, turns out it was just the pick

[jackrussell]

eddie eddie eddie - you in competition with me for the most bleak outlook of our current direction???

i see from a lot of replies people think you're being negative. i'd call it "keeping it real" but just can't bring myself to do the "parcells homie" act as well.

the fact is we can laugh at GB for this and feel mighty and superior for a bit, but we've dry-humped the pooch a lot ourselves and we tend to forget that in our giddyness and need to feel superior.

yay we got glenn for a 6th rounder. yay us. we rule and stuff.

there, maybe that will help balance things out. : )

Well, let's try keeping it real by knowing the Glenn deal was a Parcells move, and the Galloway deal was a JJones deal.

[BigDFan5]

Its pretty amazing when you consider the Beagles got a 4th for Hollis Thomas.


No they didn't they moved up in the 4th with Thomas, they gave their 4th to the team with Thomas

[BigDFan5]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???


What does this have to do with Parcells or Glenn? you whiny crybaby attitude is growing stale.

[2much2soon]

would depend on how you choose to define "pretty good". he was ok for a few years and then went to miami, right? since i've not thought of him in "forever" he ranks up there with a peerless price, or that wr from denver we got many years ago we thought would be good but never was. what a swift move of brilliance that was!!!

I think Mcknight was way more productive than Peerlice Price or Anthony Miller(that guy from Denver).
He was hurt in preseason his first year in Dallas, then nearly had a 1,000 yard season, then got signed away as a FA. Not a superstar, but a solid receiver. And had some serious speed, even after the knee injury.

[daniukid]

Definitely, one of the best trades that Dallas made recently that kinda takes some of the sting out of the Galloway trade (one of the worst). I always think that it is wise to trade for a given commodity especially if you are getting closer to needing a piece of 2 like Haley.

[SultanOfSix]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

Your negativity invading every thread is getting tiresome. I know you don't act like this in real life. Otherwise, you'd be castigated by everyone and eventually alone. No one likes a guy who pisses on everything.

[iceberg]

I think Mcknight was way more productive than Peerlice Price or Anthony Miller(that guy from Denver).
He was hurt in preseason his first year in Dallas, then nearly had a 1,000 yard season, then got signed away as a FA. Not a superstar, but a solid receiver. And had some serious speed, even after the knee injury.

mcknight was better than those two - probably put together. i do wish we woulda kept him but that's how life goes.

[iceberg]

Your negativity invading every thread is getting tiresome. I know you don't act like this in real life. Otherwise, you'd be castigated by everyone and eventually alone. No one likes a guy who pisses on everything.

unfortunately this isn't real life. it's an internet forum *and* it's about one topic - the cowboys. if you're down on a topic that *is* important to you you *will* get that mindset going. i should know cause that's where i am and yes, i do find it hard to get positive about a coach that has what i feel to be an unhealthy facination with the past to the point where he either brings the players back, or just a comfortable reminder (fasano) of years gone by.

maybe the negativity gets annoying. scratch that - i'm sure it does. but now that i sit on *this* side the constant excuse making to justify each and every move gets *just* as annoying.

the constant TO bashing in here that went on UNTIL he became a cowboy and now the constant jock carrying - gets annoying.

i guess in the end *all sides* of the fan base can and will get annoying at times. kinda the nature of the beast man.

[felix360]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

whats with all the hatred, are u even a cowboy fan??? every post i read from you, you always have something negative to say,, come seat with us and lets hold hands and meditate, let all the positives things in the world come to u and fill ur soul. :laugh1:

[Bob Sacamano]

it was actually for a 6th, and yeah, I can't believe it now, esp. watching the Skins give up a 3rd and 4th for Brandon Lloyd and giving him twice the contract Glenn received :lmao2:

[Bob Sacamano]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

*scratches head* ?

[Bob Sacamano]

unfortunately this isn't real life. it's an internet forum *and* it's about one topic - the cowboys. if you're down on a topic that *is* important to you you *will* get that mindset going. i should know cause that's where i am and yes, i do find it hard to get positive about a coach that has what i feel to be an unhealthy facination with the past to the point where he either brings the players back, or just a comfortable reminder (fasano) of years gone by.

maybe the negativity gets annoying. scratch that - i'm sure it does. but now that i sit on *this* side the constant excuse making to justify each and every move gets *just* as annoying.

the constant TO bashing in here that went on UNTIL he became a cowboy and now the constant jock carrying - gets annoying.

i guess in the end *all sides* of the fan base can and will get annoying at times. kinda the nature of the beast man.

the point is that Eddie has to go into EVERY thread and be negative, I haven't seen anyone homer it up as much as Eddie whines it up

[JackMagist]

I remember it being a 6th rounder.. and GB was about to release him... of course they didn't feel Glenn was only worth a 6th rounder, but they were about to release him for nothing, but instead got a 6th.This is a great story. Terry had seen the writing on the wall in GB and knew he was about to be out of work. He knew it would look better for him to be traded than to be released. Knowing that he could work for Parcells he called him up Asking Bill to trade for him. Parcells knew what he was getting in Glenn and jumped on the deal.

Smart move by Glenn to call up Bill and smart move by Bill to make the deal.

[JackMagist]

Ok I see Eddie is at it again. He should go to DCC they love negative posters over there.

BTW we got McKnight the year before we got Galloway. We didn't "then turn around" and do it. I wish he would at least get the facts straight before whining. But again, I have him on ignore for a reason but you guys keep quoting him :(

[icyhot]

You my friend are an idiot!!

[icyhot]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???
Eddie you are an negative idiot

[JackMagist]

You my friend are an idiot!!Just FYI...there is a policy on this board about name calling and personal comments. You have to be a bit more subtle than that.

[koolaid]

You make Satan seem like a nice guy.:laugh2: :bow:

[koolaid]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

dont you ever have anything positive to say?
cheer up and have a cookie

[davidyee]

...be special for Glenn. He doesn't have to carry this team because there is a more dangerous threat on the other side.

He also doesn't have to take on the middle of the field, but rather focus on his strength which is route running in open space.

I don't expect big yardage numbers, but I have a feeling that Glenn may just surprise the league with low catch totals and a very high ypc avg.

[Eskimo]

...be special for Glenn. He doesn't have to carry this team because there is a more dangerous threat on the other side.

He also doesn't have to take on the middle of the field, but rather focus on his strength which is route running in open space.

I don't expect big yardage numbers, but I have a feeling that Glenn may just surprise the league with low catch totals and a very high ypc avg.

I think that Glenn will likely top his numbers from last year because the OL is improved (still not great but hopefully not the horror show that was the second half of last year) and he has TO on the other side now attracting lots of attention.

I also expect Julius and Barber to put up better numbers on the ground.

My actual big area of concern is still defending the run up the gut. I'm not sure Fergy is going to be able to hold the fort and I don't think Stanley is going to be ready to step up this year. Hopefully improved play from Carpenter, James and Ayodele mitigate this weakness to some extent.

[Billy Bullocks]

Yep, she aint half bad.

[riggo]

the constant TO bashing in here that went on UNTIL he became a cowboy and now the constant jock carrying - gets annoying.




:hammer:

[ravidubey]

Can you believe we sent two first rounders to Seattle for Joey Galloway???

Can you believe we then sent another 3rd rounder to Seattle for James McKnight??

Who's the stupid looking one now???

Desperation accelerated the Cowboys' demise. Jones did not realize his team was a mere veneer of what it had been in the past. He was gambling and taking risks all over the lineup with guys like Alonzo Spellman. He, along with a lot of people, felt that had Greg Ellis not broken his leg, James McKnight not torn his ACL in the Blue-White scrimmage, and Michael Irvin not gone down that the Cowboys would have been competing for a Superbowl in 1999.

So he went for it in 2000, taking even more risks like with Demetrius Underwood and a Leon Lett who could barely stand and betting the farm on Aikman, Smith, and Galloway.

It was all he knew and it had worked in the past. Problem is Aikman and Smith were too old to remain effective and the Cowboys had some truly terrible offensive linemen and corners to boot. Larry and Woody couldn't save the day by themselves and Flozell wasn't yet the player he's become.

A true GM would have seen all of this, but Jones couldn't-- he identified too closely with his stars and was unable to distance himself. Well, add to this an inability to draft well and it all collapsed.

Now we've finally built a real front office built around better scouting and football people. It's no coincidence that outside of a few first rounders like Ellis, Flozell, and Roy our true foundations are built on drafts from 2003 onwards. Jerry learned the hard way that being a maverick and gambling on shortcuts does not lend itself well to running a football team. I think we are now truly lucky to have Jerry Jones as our owner-- we paid the price for his learning curve, but we do have three more Superbowl trophies to show for it :) .

[riggo]

it was actually for a 6th, and yeah, I can't believe it now, esp. watching the Skins give up a 3rd and 4th for Brandon Lloyd and giving him twice the contract Glenn received :lmao2:

lloyds numbers last year- on the worst offense in football- were actually better than what glenn has averaged with 10 years in the league with QB's like bledsoe and favre throwing to him.

when you factor in the fact that he's a former #7 overall pick - by bill parcells- who has been a bust by making all of 1 pro bowl...7 years ago...., been a headcase who was benched for the season 4 games into a season in which his team went on to win the super bowl, has been plagued by injury.... and likes to get drunk and to pee behind fast food joints......, lloyd looks like a steal.


seriously, glenn had a good year last year. and he'll probably be good this year, though injury history and age suggest otherwise. up til last year, he hadnt done squat.

[SultanOfSix]

:hammer:

Be proud iceberg. You have riggo agreeing with you.

And looky, now that Lloyd is a Redskin, riggo comes to the rescue with his "objectivity."

And to set the record straight, I never bashed TO, and there are many posters in here that did not prior to him being a Cowboy, nor after he became one. There are also many posters in here who do not like TO, and have said so, and still say so after the 'Boys signed him.

[gbrittain]

:hammer:

What are you :hammer: for? Like you guys would not have Sean Taylor doing 25 to life if he were a Cowboy.

Since Sean Taylor is a Redskin there are tons of threads and hundreds of posts defending poor Sean Taylor. Dude has the makings of a thug. Wasn't he arrested earlier in the year for a DWI charge?

I think you are going to have save your :hammer: for you Redskin fans and their hypocrisy regarding Sean Taylor.

TO has the makings of a bad teamate, Sean Taylor has the makings of a criminal. Do the math.

[riggo]

Be proud iceberg. You have riggo agreeing with you.iceberg made a legit and obvious point. many old school cowboy fans agree with him.And looky, now that Lloyd is a Redskin, riggo comes to the rescue with his objectivitywhat part wasnt objective?And to set the record straight, I never bashed TO, and there are many posters in here that did not prior to him being a Cowboy, nor after he became one. There are also many posters in here who do not like TO, and have said so, and still say so after the 'Boys signed him.i'm sure there are cowboy fans who never have 'bashed' TO on a message board, but this is the guy who posed on the star. even i loved it when teague drilled him for that. TO deserved to be bashed for that alone, whether any cowboy fan actually said so on a message board or not.i've said so before, i have a lot of respect for cowboy fans who have a problem with TO being a cowboy.

[iceberg]

Be proud iceberg. You have riggo agreeing with you.

And looky, now that Lloyd is a Redskin, riggo comes to the rescue with his "objectivity."

And to set the record straight, I never bashed TO, and there are many posters in here that did not prior to him being a Cowboy, nor after he became one. There are also many posters in here who do not like TO, and have said so, and still say so after the 'Boys signed him.

did i say "you"? no - i said the typical mindset of the average cowboy fan was bash TO w/o mercy with a thousand valid reasons. the very second he's THINKING about being a cowboy, the tide starts turning. now that he is, there's a large contingent of fans that are now making him to be the victim and misunderstood and if he went to ANY OTHER TEAM the bashings would continue and we'd be laughing at "the fools".

i'd like to think ANY rational person could see the shift in mindset regardless of which team they root for. just because a player puts on "our colors" doesn't make them a good guy all of a sudden and worthy of fan-fickleness.

i hated TO when he was a 9'er, i hated him when he was an eagle, i'll hate him the entire time he's a cowboy, and i'll probably hate him after the NFL also. i don't suddenly like a guy just because he's on our "team" when that word is the LAST thing he gives a damn about.

when TO puts the team ahead of himself, THEN i'll think he's changing. till then, he's the same old punk i always hated and i just have to deal with the fact he's a cowboy. i won't excuse or justify his past behavior when i was so adamantly against it before.

we call those fans hypocrites on other teams, just never use that label so freely on ourselves for the very same actions.

if you don't think the average fan changed opinions overnight, great. i do. we'll agree to disagree and move on.

[iceberg]

What are you :hammer: for? Like you guys would not have Sean Taylor doing 25 to life if he were a Cowboy.

Since Sean Taylor is a Redskin there are tons of threads and hundreds of posts defending poor Sean Taylor. Dude has the makings of a thug. Wasn't he arrested earlier in the year for a DWI charge?

I think you are going to have save your :hammer: for you Redskin fans and their hypocrisy regarding Sean Taylor.

TO has the makings of a bad teamate, Sean Taylor has the makings of a criminal. Do the math.

hypocracy regarding taylor? hey, i just don't care for taylor but what did he *really* do?

this is what *i* today understand the issue to be:

the scenario/charge:
Taylor was arrested late Saturday night after he turned himself in to the Miami-Dade County Police Department. He was charged with aggravated assault with a firearm, a third-degree felony, and simple assault, a first-degree misdemeanor.

what he did:
However, a press release yesterday from the police department made no mention of whether Taylor fired any shots or whether any shots even were fired. It specifically said Taylor pointed a firearm at two victims and that no shots were fired at that time.

the incident:
According to the press release, the incident began Wednesday evening when Taylor drove his blue 2005 Yukon Denali to an area in southern Dade County. He was accompanied by Charles Elwood Caughman of Baltimore and several other unidentified individuals. Some members of the group were in a second vehicle.
Taylor accused the two victims of stealing a pair of all-terrain vehicles, according to the press release. He pointed a gun at them and demanded his property be returned. No shots were fired. Taylor's group left the scene and returned about 10 minutes later. Taylor got out of the car and "physically assaulted one victim with his fists," the press release said. Caughman wielded a baseball bat as he chased the second victim. The second victim was not struck. Taylor's group then fled the scene again.

all pulled from:
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20050606-123849-8725r.htm

so, someone supposedly stole his property, he waved a gun at them to get it back, and then proceeded to beat the hell out of the people instead, never firing a shot.

take out sean taylor and put in jojo monkey - no one in here cares, and certainly if we did find out about it we'd identify with the side protecting their property.

in an objective world that alone is NOT something to send someone way for awhile. we'd like to think so in here cause he's a redskin and that alone should be a manditory 2 years SOMEWHERE.

in reality someone steals my truck, i'm coming at 'em if i know who did it and it won't be pretty. i don't own a gun but i'd damn sure stop for a bat.

in a perfect world we call the police, they come and take a report, they go find it and it's back safe the next day but as people we're emotional, not perfect. i agree sean needs to curb his anger and not go waving guns around, but for that alone it's stupid to think he should go to prison.

"it's the law!!!" - you bet! but now let's apply "that" logic evenly and see where we get.

sorry, unless there's more to this i don't see the facination of the case against him and he probably will get a slap on the wrist and told to be more careful.

just like jojo monkey would only we'd not care.

[SultanOfSix]

"the constant TO bashing in here that went on UNTIL he became a cowboy and now the constant jock carrying - gets annoying"

I don't think there was constant bashing at all which stopped when he became a Cowboy. There were those who bashed him before he became a Cowboy, and there are still those who bash him after. There are also those who never bashed him, and welcome him to the team. Generalization of the "average" fan base may work in this case. But this is NOT AN AVERAGE board.

There will always be fans who switch sides just because a certain player is on the team. See "riggo" for example and his subjugation of Glenn's play to that of Lloyd's because the latter is a Redskin. Any NFL talent scout would laugh in his face at his use of statistics. Lloyd has potential. But Glenn has proven it.

As far as TO posing on the star. Who gives a crap? The best way to shut a player up is to stop him on the field of play. And the play of the Cowboys was more embarrassing to me on that day than anything that TO did.

[iceberg]

"the constant TO bashing in here that went on UNTIL he became a cowboy and now the constant jock carrying - gets annoying"

I don't think there was constant bashing at all which stopped when he became a Cowboy. There were those who bashed him before he became a Cowboy, and there are still those who bash him after. There are also those who never bashed him, and welcome him to the team. Generalization of the "average" fan base may work in this case. But this is NOT AN AVERAGE board.

There will always be fans who switch sides just because a certain player is on the team. See "riggo" for example and his subjugation of Glenn's play to that of Lloyd's because the latter is a Redskin. Any NFL talent scout would laugh in his face at his use of statistics. Lloyd has potential. But Glenn has proven it.

As far as TO posing on the star. Who gives a crap? The best way to shut a player up is to stop him on the field of play. And the play of the Cowboys was more embarrassing to me on that day than anything that TO did.

i don't give a crap. i'm glad he did so teague COULD deck him for it and show some pride. i only wish roy williams would have done it and then maybe TO wouldn't be *able* to be here today.

again - agree to disagree. we went from bashing to and the fools that had him, loved it when we could double up misfortunes on the eagles, and so forth. NO ONE THEN felt TO was misunderstood or the eagles could be right. show me - give me some posts from a year ago IN HERE supporting TO.

when he got here he got his own section of hte newsgroup just to give the TO-lickers some place to play w/o bugging the rest of the newsgroup with the banter and the WE'RE LEGIT NOW!!! mantra.

if you don't see it, great. to a point i envy you, but only to a point.

[riggo]

What are you :hammer: for? Like you guys would not have Sean Taylor doing 25 to life if he were a Cowboy.

Since Sean Taylor is a Redskin there are tons of threads and hundreds of posts defending poor Sean Taylor. Dude has the makings of a thug. Wasn't he arrested earlier in the year for a DWI charge?

I think you are going to have save your :hammer: for you Redskin fans and their hypocrisy regarding Sean Taylor.

TO has the makings of a bad teamate, Sean Taylor has the makings of a criminal. Do the math.
we're talking about TO, not taylor. but, if anyone was being a hypocrite about taylor, then they get the hammer as well. fair enough?

[iceberg]

we're talking about TO, not taylor. but, if anyone was being a hypocrite about taylor, then they get the hammer as well. fair enough?

so far from a neutral perspective, i'm happy agreeing with you. : )

[theebs]

This thread went from Parcells shrewdness in trading for glenn for a 6th round pick in 04 to TO and Sean Taylor.

Wow. Trolls rule I guess.

One thing I have no interest in talking about is TO or Sean Taylor. Its all a waste of time.

[riggo]

There will always be fans who switch sides just because a certain player is on the team. See "riggo" for example and his subjugation of Glenn's play to that of Lloyd's because the latter is a Redskin. Any NFL talent scout would laugh in his face at his use of statistics. Lloyd has potential. But Glenn has proven itsultan, youre a reasonable poster. the topic was about glenn being a steal as a trade for a 6th rounder.as far as glenn proving anything, besides his 99 season and last year, he hasnt done anything, which is why the cowboys got him for a 6th rounder. that's all i'm saying. how is that not being objective?? what was wrong with my stats?lloyd is a young talent with no major injury concerns or headcase issues, hence, less risk. he should cost more in draft picks.

[gbrittain]

hypocracy regarding taylor? hey, i just don't care for taylor but what did he *really* do?

this is what *i* today understand the issue to be:

the scenario/charge:
Taylor was arrested late Saturday night after he turned himself in to the Miami-Dade County Police Department. He was charged with aggravated assault with a firearm, a third-degree felony, and simple assault, a first-degree misdemeanor.

what he did:
However, a press release yesterday from the police department made no mention of whether Taylor fired any shots or whether any shots even were fired. It specifically said Taylor pointed a firearm at two victims and that no shots were fired at that time.

the incident:
According to the press release, the incident began Wednesday evening when Taylor drove his blue 2005 Yukon Denali to an area in southern Dade County. He was accompanied by Charles Elwood Caughman of Baltimore and several other unidentified individuals. Some members of the group were in a second vehicle.
Taylor accused the two victims of stealing a pair of all-terrain vehicles, according to the press release. He pointed a gun at them and demanded his property be returned. No shots were fired. Taylor's group left the scene and returned about 10 minutes later. Taylor got out of the car and "physically assaulted one victim with his fists," the press release said. Caughman wielded a baseball bat as he chased the second victim. The second victim was not struck. Taylor's group then fled the scene again.

all pulled from:
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20050606-123849-8725r.htm

so, someone supposedly stole his property, he waved a gun at them to get it back, and then proceeded to beat the hell out of the people instead, never firing a shot.

take out sean taylor and put in jojo monkey - no one in here cares, and certainly if we did find out about it we'd identify with the side protecting their property.

in an objective world that alone is NOT something to send someone way for awhile. we'd like to think so in here cause he's a redskin and that alone should be a manditory 2 years SOMEWHERE.

in reality someone steals my truck, i'm coming at 'em if i know who did it and it won't be pretty. i don't own a gun but i'd damn sure stop for a bat.

in a perfect world we call the police, they come and take a report, they go find it and it's back safe the next day but as people we're emotional, not perfect. i agree sean needs to curb his anger and not go waving guns around, but for that alone it's stupid to think he should go to prison.

"it's the law!!!" - you bet! but now let's apply "that" logic evenly and see where we get.

sorry, unless there's more to this i don't see the facination of the case against him and he probably will get a slap on the wrist and told to be more careful.

just like jojo monkey would only we'd not care.

Ice I could care less what Sean Taylor did or did not do. My point remains, had Sean Taylor played for the Cowboys and did or alleged to have done what has been reported the Skins fans would be crucifying Sean Taylor.

This is not about you, you are not a Redskin fan. It is kind of like I can talk bad about my brother, but my neighbor can not.

I do not need some Skins fan getting out the ole hammer meet nail when they are as guilty. Do that all you want a Skins board, be my guest. Not in our house. Sure you can do it, but dont think you will not get called on it.

[stilltheguru]

sultan, youre a reasonable poster. the topic was about glenn being a steal as a trade for a 6th rounder.as far as glenn proving anything, besides his 99 season and last year, he hasnt done anything, which is why the cowboys got him for a 6th rounder. that's all i'm saying. how is that not being objective?? what was wrong with my stats?lloyd is a young talent with no major injury concerns or headcase issues, hence, less risk. he should cost more in draft picks.


no headcase issues?ask the niners staff before u speak

[iceberg]

Ice I could care less what Sean Taylor did or did not do. My point remains, had Sean Taylor played for the Cowboys and did or alleged to have done what has been reported the Skins fans would be crucifying Sean Taylor.

sure they would - but that's from a "fan to fan" perspective not putting that aside and judging things for what they really are.

redskins fans do a lot of stupid things. *all* fans do a lot of stupid things. doesn't mean we need to keep on doing it.

[riggo]

so far from a neutral perspective, i'm happy agreeing with you. : )
see, we CAN all get along. good points about taylors case, btw.

[iceberg]

see, we CAN all get along. good points about taylors case, btw.

it's harder when you put fan allegence ahead of common sense. all sides do it, just annoying. moving on now.

[gbrittain]

we're talking about TO, not taylor. but, if anyone was being a hypocrite about taylor, then they get the hammer as well. fair enough?

No problem Riggo. I dont slam non Cowboy fans for the sake of slamming them. I welcome other teams posters on this board and generally enjoy what they have to say and the banter back and forth.

I just do not like the hypocrisy I see often from Skins fans on this board. You may not be one of them and if you are not great, but the our crap dont stink stuff gets really old.

Tell me honestly, what would Sean Taylor be characterized if he were a Cowboy?

[iceberg]

No problem Riggo. I dont slam non Cowboy fans for the sake of slamming them. I welcome other teams posters on this board and generally enjoy what they have to say and the banter back and forth.

I just do not like the hypocrisy I see often from Skins fans on this board. You may not be one of them and if you are not great, but the our crap dont stink stuff gets really old.

Tell me honestly, what would Sean Taylor be characterized if he were a Cowboy?

how about the hypocrisy of the average cowboy fan on TO? : ) his crap stunk pretty bad till he got here, now we shine it up and call it misunderstood.

NOT YOU - but the average cowboys fan.

[riggo]

Ice I could care less what Sean Taylor did or did not do. My point remains, had Sean Taylor played for the Cowboys and did or alleged to have done what has been reported the Skins fans would be crucifying Sean Taylor.

This is not about you, you are not a Redskin fan. It is kind of like I can talk bad about my brother, but my neighbor can not.

I do not need some Skins fan getting out the ole hammer meet nail when they are as guilty. Do that all you want a Skins board, be my guest. Not in our house. Sure you can do it, but dont think you will not get called on it.
of course many skins fans would crucify taylor had he been a dallas player. you are absolutely right. but how am i as guilty as TO bashers turned supporters? all i've said about taylors case is just what i posted minutes ago above. if he's guilty of being an ***, i'll call him on it. we can all be both fans and reasonable, can't we?
edit- i posted this before i saw your last post....

[gbrittain]

sure they would - but that's from a "fan to fan" perspective not putting that aside and judging things for what they really are.

redskins fans do a lot of stupid things. *all* fans do a lot of stupid things. doesn't mean we need to keep on doing it.

You are 100% right. Fans are fans no matter where you go. I will be 1000 times quicker to point out hypocrisy of a Skins fan on a Cowboy board than a Cowboy fan on Cowboy board. If that makes me a bad man...

For every Redskins fan on this board there are hundreds of Cowboys fans. I could not bare to correct all the silly outlandish homeristic fans on this board.

Plus, I am as guilty as anyone of being a homer. Sure, I am a tad more critical at this moment of the Cowboys than the average fan on this board, but no one and I mean no one can truly take off their "homer glasses". We can think that we do, but in reality we can't. Some come closer to doing so than others, but in the end we all fail.

[iceberg]

You are 100% right. Fans are fans no matter where you go. I will be 1000 times quicker to point out hypocrisy of a Skins fan on a Cowboy board than a Cowboy fan on Cowboy board. If that makes me a bad man...

For every Redskins fan on this board there are hundreds of Cowboys fans. I could not bare to correct all the silly outlandish homeristic fans on this board.

Plus, I am as guilty as anyone of being a homer. Sure, I am a tad more critical at this moment of the Cowboys than the average fan on this board, but no one and I mean no one can truly take off their "homer glasses". We can think that we do, but in reality we can't. Some come closer to doing so than others, but in the end we all fail.

you can. it ain't easy and you get called "negative" a lot - but even us "negative" people are still here cause we love the team, just hate the current times we live in with it.

hopefully better days are not too far ahead for us *as a team* and not a player or coach here and there.

[jackrussell]

So we've gone from someone noting a nice move in picking up Glenn to vigilantism.

Good grief.

[fiveandcounting]

[QUOTE=Galian Beast]After the Herschel Walker trade the Cowboys under Jerry Jones can not be considered stupid. He has done enough to buy himself amnesty on any future stupidity with that move.

Chalk up the trade that delt us Julius Jones and Marcus Spears also netted us Drew Bledsoe and many others... which is probably the second best trade in cowboys history.

Ill say the one that got us Tony Dorsett was probably 2nd best, also the Craig Morton trade, didnt that get Randy White

[DCowboyz]

Funny how we wasted two 1st round picks on Galloway, when Glenn was only a 5th, and with a Cowboy uniform, has been the better player..

Terry Glenn is my boy.. :D
He'll have another solid year in '06..

[Bob Sacamano]

seriously, glenn had a good year last year. and he'll probably be good this year, though injury history and age suggest otherwise. up til last year, he hadnt done squat.

dude, Glenn had a better ROOKIE year than Lloyd has ever had, hell, the year we traded for him, he had more receiving yards than Lloyd had last year, as a #2 WR

[riggo]

dude, Glenn had a better ROOKIE year than Lloyd has ever had, hell, the year we traded for him, he had more receiving yards than Lloyd had last year, as a #2 WR

summer, who is better- favre in 2002 or rattay/smith/pickett/dorsey in 2005?

let me add that smith, while starting 7 games in his rookie year, threw 1 TD to 11 INT's. he threw either 8 or 9 completions in 4 of those games. he threw for under 100 yards in 3 of those games. tim rattay looked like joe montana in comparison. cody pickett and ken dorsey also started 5 games between them. and they stunk.

you are boasting that glenn had 800 something yards in 2002 to lloyds 700 something? you've got to be kidding. you also didnt mention that lloyd managed to grab 5 TD's while glenn snagged 2.

do you know how many TD san fran QB's threw all of last year? ...............8.
for a whopping 118 yards a game.

the point was that glenn- in the league 10 years- has gone over 1000 yards receiving 2 times other than last year. and he had been injured. thats why the boys got him cheaply while lloyd costs a bit more.....

[riggo]

let me add that smith, while starting 7 games in his rookie year, threw 1 TD to 11 INT's.

my apologies for quoting myself....but i have to add that it took him til his 7th and last start of the season in january to throw his first TD. :eek:

i'm beginning to think lloyd is better than i thought given his pathetic QB's.

[Bob Sacamano]

the point was that glenn- in the league 10 years- has gone over 1000 yards receiving 2 times other than last year. and he had been injured.

so? Lloyd has never had a 1,000 yard season, blame the QB all you want, but the fact still remains

having just 2 1,000 yard receiving seasons is what it is, 2 1,000 yard receiving seasons, that's 2 more than Lloyd's none, so again, 6th for Glenn >>>3rd and 4th for Lloyd

[riggo]

so? Lloyd has never had a 1,000 yard season, blame the QB all you want, but the fact still remains

having just 2 1,000 yard receiving seasons is what it is, 2 1,000 yard receiving seasons, that's 2 more than Lloyd's none, so again, 6th for Glenn >>>3rd and 4th for Lloyd

'blame the qb all i want'???


right.

6th for glenn is so much better than a 3rd and 4th for lloyd.

especially considering glenn is 32 and lloyd is 24. and glenn is a headcase who was suspended by his team 4 games into a season where they went on to win the super bowl. and glenn has been injured virtually every other year he's been in the league.

you should be a GM.

[Bob Sacamano]

especially considering glenn is 32 and lloyd is 24. and glenn is a headcase who was suspended by his team 4 games into a season where they went on to win the super bowl. and glenn has been injured virtually every other year he's been in the league.

you should be a GM.

Glenn wasn't 32 when we made the trade for him

and the move has paid off so far hasn't it? great trade, it still remains to be seen if the trade for Lloyd is half as good