Who do you think is the main challenger to the Cowboys in the NFC East?

[lostinomiya]

ok, for a start please dont dismiss them and say they are all no good because there are four talented teams in the nfc east. so....

i honestly dont know, and i would like to know who you think is the main challenger to the cowboys next season in the nfc east? and please explain why...thankyou.....

[DragonCowboy]

New York Giants - strong Offense (Tiki Barber, Jeremy Shockey, Plaxico Burress, etc), and an improved Defense

Washington Redskins - fit in the pieces in Free Agency...will they be able to gel?

[lostinomiya]

its 1.31am here in japan and i am typing drunk...a little bit of context for you.

how about each teams strength and weakness pitted against the cowboys strength and weaknesses...s?

[burmafrd]

Giants have improved their secondary which stank - but they still have Manning and his inaccuracy. Plus their O line is weakening.
Skins O line has a couple of question marks in it- not as many as ours.
Brunnell is fragile; if he goes down their season is over. Archuleta is past his prime and who knows what the story will be with Taylor. Randle El will really help their return game but do not expect much receiving help from him.
The Birds have no strong running attack- their whole offense is basically McFlabb and Westbrook- which ain't going to do it against good D's.
Their D will be better then last year but not as good as it was. Reid screwed up by not finding a real #1 WR. His obsession with drafting O and D linemen is not a bad one to have but they really needed Offensive skill people.

[lostinomiya]

personally i worry that strahan and umeniora (spelling?) and arrington will beat poor drew up.

[burmafrd]

once more in chorus: ITS ALL ABOUT THE O LINE.

[SALADIN]

The Cowboys beat themselves in a few games last year :banghead:

[hailvictory]

Skins O line has a couple of question marks in it- not as many as ours.
Brunnell is fragile; if he goes down their season is over.

The Birds have no strong running attack- their whole offense is basically McFlabb and Westbrook- which ain't going to do it against good D's.

redskins have more o-line problems than the cowboys?:eek: i must have have missed something...please elaborate?
edit: forgive me, i may have misread this line of yours, so nvm

the season may be over for them if brunell goes down but what happens to the cowboys season if ol cement-blocks-for-shoes goes down?

Mcnabb and westbrook had been getting the best of good defenses for years before Terrel got there...don't be a homer...unfortunately mcnabb and westbrook have the talent to do damage...

[Yeagermeister]

All 3 are going to be tough.

[burmafrd]

BUT when it counted they could not deliver. AND just for someone to remember a few facts- WHAT is Brunnells record as regarding injuries? Do you realize just how few times he has made it through 16 games? WHile except for that one bad freak injury BLedsoe has been right there for his whole career.

[DragonCowboy]

ok, here goes...


Dallas D-Line vs. Washington O-Line: I think this is the time Dallas' D-Line finally becomes great, however, as of now, its a push.

Dallas LB vs. Washington TE/RB: Our LB corp should be really, really good next year. Cooley is their main TE threat, and we should have him under wraps. The question is, will we be able to stop Portis? Based on Game 2, where we didn't have injuries aplenty, we should be able to stop him. Advantage Dallas

Dallas secondary vs. Washington WR: Probably the most confusing of the matchups. Arguably, other than FS, the Cowboys have the one of the best secondaries. However, Danny went and got alot of players.

Here are the major matchups (if they get lined up against each other):

Santana Moss vs. Terence Newman: This should be a push.
Brandon Lloyd vs. Anthony Henry: Don't let the last Cowboys-49ers game fool you, that Cowboys team was totally down from the loss to Washington. Henry should have Lloyd's number. Advantage Dallas.
Aaron Glenn vs. Antwaan Randle El: Glenn should have this down. Advantage Dallas.
Dallas Team Defense vs. Washington QB: Advantage Dallas

Dallas O-Line vs. Washington D-Line: Advantage Washington, no explanation needed.
Dallas TE/RB vs. Washington LB: Witten should be able to torch any of their linebackers, especially if Rocky McIntosh is on him. All depends on JJ/MB3. For now, I'll say, push.
Dallas WR vs. Washington CB: With the addition of Terrell Owens, it looks like we should have an advantage here.
Terrell Owens vs. Shawn Springs: Owens should have it down. Advantage Dallas
Terry Glenn vs. Carlos Rogers: Advantage Dallas. A legitimate #1 should own the youngster.
Patrick Crayton vs. Washington's #3: Should be Dallas advantage, but since I don't know much about Washinton's number 3, I'll say push.
Note: if Sean Taylor doesn't go to jail, alot of that might change. Huge hitting safety duo.

Dallas QB vs. Washington Team Defense: Advantage Washington. They have a great defense that would scare any QB.

edit// heh, they drafted McIntosh, not Boiman lol.

[burmafrd]

Wash does not have a great D - that is reserved for D's like the Ravens 2000 D. THey have a very good D- but not great. I do not see all that much to worry about as regards the Wash D line- its non descript. If we are healthy we will control them.

[RiggoForever]

I personally think we put Rogers and Taylor on TO, and try to man up Glenn with Springs.

I wouldn't give Rogers man on man responsibility against either TO or Glenn...hes not ready yet.

[DragonCowboy]

Wash does not have a great D - that is reserved for D's like the Ravens 2000 D. THey have a very good D- but not great. I do not see all that much to worry about as regards the Wash D line- its non descript. If we are healthy we will control them.

OK, maybe not great, but they can certainly fluster Drew Bledsoe.

I think that we both have bad lines. They have a bad DL, and we have a bad OL, but I think our OL is worse.

[burmafrd]

Our O line SHOULD be much better this year. If it plays to its potential it will be better then the Skins D line. A big IF, but there it is.

[DragonCowboy]

Our O line SHOULD be much better this year. If it plays to its potential it will be better then the Skins D line. A big IF, but there it is.

Hopefully.

I guess I was just trying to be as fair as possible to the Redskins. Maybe a bit fair?

[Zaxor]

Drew Bledsoe :D

[RiggoForever]

Our O line SHOULD be much better this year. If it plays to its potential it will be better then the Skins D line. A big IF, but there it is.

Don't forget we added Andre Carter, who will hopefully be a legitimate pass rushing threat. He had a 12.5 sack season back when SF used the 4-3. While I don't think we get 7 sacks on your offensive line, I think we can get 2-3.

Salave'a and Griffin are stout run stoppers. Nobody gained 100 on the ground against us last year unless one of them was injured.

I see Kosier and Fabini as being question marks for Dallas here, as well as Andre Carter as a DE for the Redskins.

We'll see how good the new Dallas OL is during week 1 against Jacksonville, that's for sure.

[fortdick]

its 1.31am here in japan and i am typing drunk...a little bit of context for you.

how about each teams strength and weakness pitted against the cowboys strength and weaknesses...s?

You should really get some sleep! If it is 1:30 in the morning, and you've been drinking, and you are alone, it must be a bad night. Get some rest and take aspirin before you go to bed!

[Cowchips]

I would have to say the Giants. Giants have youth, a future star at QB and great defense.

In Washington, Brunnell can't put two healthy seasons together. Last year was his first healthy year in the past 10. He most likely won't be playing or playing hobbled by week 8, at which point they are screwed.

Philly is on the decline. I doubt they win 6 games this year.

[EveryoneElse]

and try to man up Glenn with Springs.



LMAO, good luck with that. There aren't many, if any that can stay with Glenn one on one.

[baj1dallas]

the eagles are still going to miss Eldorado. they'll have a solid but not spectacular offense. giants can be scored on if you can stop their pass rush. and eli's an even bigger choke job than his brother. the redskins won the division last year and they should be better...how much better is the question.

[lostinomiya]

You should really get some sleep! If it is 1:30 in the morning, and you've been drinking, and you are alone, it must be a bad night. Get some rest and take aspirin before you go to bed!

thanks mum. 11am now. feel fine.

[LeonDixson]

Washington's defense got a lot of turnovers last year which helped their defense and offense immensly. I don't know how many of the turnovers were luck and how many were generated because they play (and are coached) to strip the ball. If it's the latter, then they figure to be good again on both sides of the ball again. If not, their offense will suffer some but their defense will still be pretty good. I agree with those above that point out that Brunell MUST stay healthy for them to have a chance.

New York has a very strong defensive line and will give teams problems. Unless Strahan starts to really go down hill, which he hasn't shown so far, he and Umenori(sp) will put pressure on ANY QB and I don't know if our line is up to the challenge. If Eli can manage the game for them, I like their offensive threats. Tiki has always given us problems, even when he was a fumbler; a problem he has corrected admirably. I think Dallas and NY fight it out for the division title. But only if Eli does his part. He looked really good at times last year.

Everybody's picking Philthy to finish last and they very well could. HOWEVER, a lot of folks were constantly saying how bad the stinks were last year too. Again, I caution you not to sell them too short. We should beat them IF the days of McFlabb getting to run around for 15 seconds looking for a receiver are truly over. I don't think he'll get that long to pass against us, but he always hurts us once or twice a game running when we've lost containment.
If Pinkston returns healthy they have virtually the same weapons that won a lot of games for them before the T.O. era. Remember, they didn't just beat up on a weak NFCE, although that was usually 5 or 6 easy wins for them. They beat a lot of teams outside the division too.

I think all NFCE teams finish .500 or above. Dallas' defense has the chance to be dominant if Ware, Spears, Canty, etc improve and not fall into a sophmore slump, and if a FS steps up. I don't believe everything hinges on Carpenter having to be good right away. Singleton is a nice steady player who can hold the fort down. Our offense depends on the O-line and whether greater use of the two TE set works like we think it should and hope it does. In other words, a big question mark.

Dallas, NY, and Wash should be very competitive, but I like our chances to win it because I'm an optimist at heart:D

[Bob Sacamano]

the season may be over for them if brunell goes down but what happens to the cowboys season if ol cement-blocks-for-shoes goes down?

that happens once every decade, so...

[Bob Sacamano]

Dallas QB vs. Washington Team Defense: Advantage Washington. They have a great defense that would scare any QB.

edit// heh, they drafted McIntosh, not Boiman lol.

we did a pretty good job against their D in the 1st game, before Flo went down, even had them backing off their vaunted blitz because it wasn't doing anything

[bh32]

You guys are just to funny,Dallas will finish last in the east.
your o line is crap,Bledsoe dosen't handle pressure,TO will be pissed when you start losing and he dosen't get his catches.You have no rb that scares anyone.dont even get me started on your defense its just as bad.

[DragonCowboy]

we did a pretty good job against their D in the 1st game, before Flo went down, even had them backing off their vaunted blitz because it wasn't doing anything

True, I guess I'm basing this off of the OL.

[RiggoForever]

we did a pretty good job against their D in the 1st game, before Flo went down, even had them backing off their vaunted blitz because it wasn't doing anything

Our pass rush was pretty non-existent at that point in the season, not just against the Cowboys.

[Bob Sacamano]

Our pass rush was pretty non-existent at that point in the season, not just against the Cowboys.

so you don't think Dallas picking up the blitz well had anything to do with it?

[bh32]

washington didn't blitz too much because dallas was throwing short passes,and diddn't have time to get to drew.

[Bob Sacamano]

washington didn't blitz too much because dallas was throwing short passes,and diddn't have time to get to drew.

we also picked up the blitz very well

[bh32]

No,drew was taking mostly three step drops.

[Bob Sacamano]

No,drew was taking mostly three step drops.

no, you're wrong, we picked up the blitz alot of the times, we weren't throwing short passes the whole game

[bh32]

Washington hardly even blitzed when once they knew dallas were throwing short.

[Bob Sacamano]

Washington hardly even blitzed when once they knew dallas were throwing short.

dude, there is no way a team throws short most of the time, esp. when the opposing D KNOWS that's what they're going to be doing, the offense then becomes predictable and defenders can jump routes, I'm sorry, you gave up on the blitz because we were picking it up, and hitting the short routes, which is what you do when you get blitzed and only have 1 deep option, give credit where credit is due

[bh32]

Im not saying Dallas sucks,Im just say your o line has some major question marks.Your line just didnt start having problems when adams went down either.Dallas couldnt even run the ball effectivly when he was healthy,teams started to focus on drew when they found out dallas had no threat at rb.

[superpunk]

You guys are just to funny,Dallas will finish last in the east.
your o line is crap,

No.

Bledsoe dosen't handle pressure,

No.

TO will be pissed when you start losing and he dosen't get his catches.

No.

You have no rb that scares anyone.

No.

dont even get me started on your defense its just as bad.

Never drink on an empty stomach.

[bh32]

What happened to dallas in the second game then?They blitzed alot and you saw what happened.the whole line was at fault,so don't even try to blame it on your left tackle.

[Bob Sacamano]

Im not saying Dallas sucks,Im just say your o line has some major question marks.Your line just didnt start having problems when adams went down either.Dallas couldnt even run the ball effectivly when he was healthy,teams started to focus on drew when they found out dallas had no threat at rb.

ok, compare the Oline from the 1st half of the season, to say, oh, against your Skins the 2nd game and the St. Louis Rams, in the 2nd half, and picking up the blitz involves TEs and RBs too

[Bob Sacamano]

What happened to dallas in the second game then?They blitzed alot and you saw what happened.the whole line was at fault,so don't even try to blame it on your left tackle.

LT game 1: Flozell ADams, he's at least top 10

LT game 2: Torrin Tucker, 32nd best LT in the game

and w/o FLo, we had to help out both our RT AND LT, taking options out of the passing game, it's much easier to get after a QB when you have less options to worry about defending and guys are having trouble seperating

[bh32]

Blesoe just dosent handle pressure,Teams saw that so they started blitzing alot.he holds the ball way to long and puts alot of pressure on the line.

[bh32]

Your whole line started breaking down it wasn't just one person.

[Bob Sacamano]

Blesoe just dosent handle pressure

he won 3 games for us last year

Teams saw that so they started blitzing alot.he holds the ball way to long and puts alot of pressure on the line.

he does hold onto the ball too long, but our Line sucked anyways

[Bob Sacamano]

Your whole line started breaking down it wasn't just one person.

it all started because of that 1 person, which I already explained to you if you cared to read it and try to comprehend it instead of being more concerned about getting in the next reply

[bh32]

Im not saying dallas won't be good.They just have some questions like all teams .I just dont see how they are the overwhelming favorits.

[superpunk]

Im not saying dallas won't be good.

Really? Because this;


You guys are just to funny,Dallas will finish last in the east.
your o line is crap,Bledsoe dosen't handle pressure,TO will be pissed when you start losing and he dosen't get his catches.You have no rb that scares anyone.dont even get me started on your defense its just as bad.

Kinda sounds like you're taking a piss on our entire team, save Jason Witten.

Someone call Parcells. Tell him to take the year off. :rolleyes:

[RiggoForever]

so you don't think Dallas picking up the blitz well had anything to do with it?

I think there were a combination of factors:

1. Your OL was healthy for the 1st game, and I'll admit Williams changed his strategy when the blitz was ineffective...but at least we were only burned once that entire game, even without pressure.
2. You were at home and had the emotion in your favor for most of the game
3. During the 2nd game, Torrin Tucker contributed to a lack of protection, but the Skins also were rushing the QB better towards the end of the season, as evidenced by an increase in sacks against the Giants and Eagles as well the 2nd time we faced them.
4. The Redskins were on an emotional high and more fired up then I've seen them in about 15 years for the game at Fed Ex. Why do I think this? The Skins had more sacks against Dallas then Carolina or the Giants (games in which Flozell was also hurt) in any one game, and we know Carolina and the Giants have two of the best defensive lines in football.

[jterrell]

I do believe the NFCE will be a dog fight.

As it did last season a lot will come down to health.

Dallas:
Strengths- Young Defense really developing. One of hardest hitting defenses in the league. One of deeper defenses as well. Passing game with TO, Witten and Glenn.
Weaknesses- OL still soft in middle. Julius either has to stay healthy or Barber has to become a bellcow. One of many Free Safeties needs to emerge.

Giants:
Strengths- League's best pass rush by a mile. Very good front 7 on defense against pass and run. Tiki Barber is a huge weapon on offense and Shockley and Burress provide explosion and playmaking if not consistency. Great special teams groups.
Weaknesses- CB group continues to face health and depth concerns. Secondary as a whole is weakest of he NFCE. Eli is still very streaky. Burress and Shockey are hot-heads and it interferes with their play at times.

Eagles:
Strengths- Lots of guys with Super Bowl appearances. Good Defensive coordinator and one of league's best 3rd down type backs in Westbrook. He's a younger version of Tiki Barber tho still not quite the inside runner.
Weaknesses- Lots of players appeared old last season. Not many good young players on that team. Pass rush has disappeared and Darren Howard is only adequate in that area not stellar. Will need to generate more running yardage.

Skabs:
Strengths- Very solid secondary. Portis and Gibbs are finding ways to make that running game work pretty well. Santana Moss has hit his peak as a Skin as opposed to the usual over the hill signees. Much improved overall WR corps.
Weaknesses- Still too many older overpaid free agent signings lacing the roster. Brunell has had 1 good season in 4 years and they are counting on him.
Cap problems and lack of draft picks mean real depth problems.

Right now if I had to pick I'd say:
1. Dallas. Better on both offense and defense to insure playoff run.
2. NYG. Manning gets at last a bit better and defense continues to make plays.
3. Skins. Right with Dallas and NYG on paper when everyone is 100% and if you assume Brunell repeats last years showing but the least room for error of any team in NFL in terms of meeting expectations or injuries.
4. Eags. Poised for bounce back season but other 3 teams have been built to defeat the schemes the Eags run after long stretch as class of the division.

[jterrell]

Im not saying dallas won't be good.They just have some questions like all teams .I just dont see how they are the overwhelming favorits.

All teams have questions in the parity era but some teams have mnay more than others.

The main reason I believe they should be the favorite in unbiased analysis is depth. They are the deepest team in the division and aside from FS, any of that 2 deep could start at many other teams in the league. Greg Ellis, Aaron Glenn, Al Singleton are all likely to be 2nd teamers on the team.

The Giants would be my pick except Eli is still young. He had a few awful games last year and the division is simply too good to afford that this season.

Washington is relying on Brunell. A guy who passed for more yardage last season than he had in 5 years and who passed for the most TDs of his career last season. The backup is gone and while Campbell may one day be a legit NFL QB he is certiainly not going to be the day he takes the field the first time. The OL and DL are both thin as can be. Sean Taylor has legal issues.

[txlonghorn14]

The Cowboys beat themselves in a few games last year :banghead:

i agree. if it wasn't for the disasters against the redskins, the cowboys woulda been playoff bound last season. i think the giants and skins pose the biggest threats, while philly will finally be a bottom feeder and we can all enjoy their demise.

[jterrell]

I think there were a combination of factors:

1. Your OL was healthy for the 1st game, and I'll admit Williams changed his strategy when the blitz was ineffective...but at least we were only burned once that entire game, even without pressure.
2. You were at home and had the emotion in your favor for most of the game
3. During the 2nd game, Torrin Tucker contributed to a lack of protection, but the Skins also were rushing the QB better towards the end of the season, as evidenced by an increase in sacks against the Giants and Eagles as well the 2nd time we faced them.
4. The Redskins were on an emotional high and more fired up then I've seen them in about 15 years for the game at Fed Ex. Why do I think this? The Skins had more sacks against Dallas then Carolina or the Giants (games in which Flozell was also hurt) in any one game, and we know Carolina and the Giants have two of the best defensive lines in football.


I do think the Skins played extremely well in that 2nd game. The 1st game they were flat beaten for 58 minutes and then to their credit found a way to win but in game 2 they were by far the better team in all areas. They were healthy and hitting on all cylinders as they will be tough anytime that is the case.

BUT....
All the blitzing talk is nice and all but how many teams can blitz Dallas when TO and Glenn are the WRs? Dallas is running the 2 TE set because it feels any blitzing will result in big plays for the offense. Witten and Fasano will feast on safeties double covering the WRs.

The difference between Keyshawn and TO is that TO will score if you try to single cover him and KJ would just get a first down and get tackled.
I don't think many people are being honest with themselves about just how much pressure TO puts on a defense.
The guy is flat not likable and I understand the bias against him but he can not be ignored any more than Barry Bonds can.

[cannonball44]

main challenger to the Cowboys in the NFC EAST?


















The Dallas Cowboys

[Sarge]

Giants. There going to win a lot of games next year.

[Sifillest]

the skins are definitely the team to watch out for in teh east....unless eli makes a huge leap, the giants aren't going to be scoring that many points....and while the defense will keep them in games, eli is going to turn it over some....as long as brunell stays upright, he has enough help at receiver to do damage to any secondary....because santana moss alone is faster than anyone in our defensive backfield....including newman....so with the addition of another speedster in randle el plus a solid 3rd option in lloyd, not to mention cooley going over the middle and portis catching a pass every now and again....and you have our only real comp in teh division....the eagles pretty much got old overnight...and the division has improved too much for them to win it with basically the same offensive weapons they had during their years of dominance...its going to be a great season, damn it......

man i hate the skins!

[burmafrd]

I really doubt that Moss is faster then newman.

[superpunk]

I really doubt that Moss is faster then newman.

Well, we know Randy Moss isn't. :cool:

He wasn't injured that game was he?

[bigdrulez3141]

Im not saying dallas won't be good.They just have some questions like all teams .I just dont see how they are the overwhelming favorits.

Just promise us that you will be here at the end of the season.

[Bizwah]

Blesoe just dosent handle pressure,Teams saw that so they started blitzing alot.he holds the ball way to long and puts alot of pressure on the line.

Did you even watch Dallas play last year?....I mean besides the two times we faced the Skins?

And what you're saying about Bledsoe can be said about nearly every QB in the NFL. No NFL QB can pass well if they're on their backs. And teams didn't wake up and start blitzing Bledsoe at the end of the year.

He was one of the NFL's top passers before Flo went down. Teams tried to blitz us, but couldn't get to him....he burned teams over and over. Take the first game with Philly for instance (they were relatively healthy this game compared to when you all faced them). They came out trying to hit Bledsoe in the mouth, they blitzed him numerous times....but each time he burned them.

Flo getting injured changed our whole protection scheme....instead of only having to help out a rookie sixth round pick, we had to try to help the left side as well.

Injuries ruined our OL last year. It actually started out nicely. Rivera played hurt all year, and Rogers (who appeared to have won the RT position) was injured in training camp. So we even started the year with our backup at RT.

You act as if teams just discovered blitzing Bledsoe at the end of the year......they didn't. It just became more effective when we lost Flo.

Another thing to note.....losing Flo also cut out a lot of Jason Witten's opportunities. He had to stay in more to help protect. Also remember that we lost Crayton, an exciting third WR, and Julius for much of the year.

Now, with a healthier Rivera, a healthy Flo, a solid vet in Fabini, and a solid OG in Kosier, our OL should be better.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

The refs

[Future]

LMAO, good luck with that. There aren't many, if any that can stay with Glenn one on one.

im mad that you beat me to that post :bang2: haha but you are exactly right. i will take glenn in man coverage on shawn springs all day every day. no way can he be quick enough to stay with him.

As for the rest of the NFCE, the only team i am particularly afraid of is the Giants. Arrington was a great pickup for them, as was the addition of Sam Madison that does not get enough credit, this guy is a very good corner. That offense with Sinorice Moss now has a speed receiver to go w/ Plax...this could be very similar to Key and Smith in car, just not quite as talented.

The Eagles are on the decline as well. They have a couple of WRs that could be decent, but nothing special and McNabb and Westbrook alone are not enough. LJ Smith could be a big play guy at TE but with weak WRs a safety can cover him w/ a LB. That defense is still very succeptable to the run and i think their DEs in Kearse and Howard are vastly overrated.

Washington overachieved last year and they spent too much money on guys that dont deserve it. For archuleta to be the highest payed safety baffles me and they still lack a possession receiver even though they signed brandon lloyd to be that guy. The defense should be alright as rogers has another year, but so does springs and that DLine is still very questionable.

Overall i think it is dallas' division for the taking. Of course, the OLine has to stay healthy more than anything but i like their matchups on offesne and the defense is going to be very good this year. I think it will end up like this

1. DAL 12-4 (4-2)
2. NYG 11-5 (4-2)
3. WAS 9-7 (3-3)
4. PHI 7-9 (2-4)

[DragonCowboy]

The refs

No, that's the main challenger to the Redskins!!:rolleyes:

[apickmans]

I really doubt that Moss is faster then newman.

he is.

[Fletch]

I think the Redskins will be tough once again. Their O-line was a strength for them last year, as well as their D. The Giants will be right there as well in my opinion. We definitely need our O-line to improve and stay healthy for us to lead the pack in the NFC East.

[Fletch]

he is.

Nice informed post. :rolleyes:

[big dog cowboy]

main challenger to the Cowboys in the NFC EAST?


















The Dallas Cowboys
As much as I want to say the Giants......I believe your answer may be closer to accurite.

[RiggoForever]

All teams have questions in the parity era but some teams have mnay more than others.

The main reason I believe they should be the favorite in unbiased analysis is depth. They are the deepest team in the division and aside from FS, any of that 2 deep could start at many other teams in the league. Greg Ellis, Aaron Glenn, Al Singleton are all likely to be 2nd teamers on the team.

The Giants would be my pick except Eli is still young. He had a few awful games last year and the division is simply too good to afford that this season.

Washington is relying on Brunell. A guy who passed for more yardage last season than he had in 5 years and who passed for the most TDs of his career last season. The backup is gone and while Campbell may one day be a legit NFL QB he is certiainly not going to be the day he takes the field the first time. The OL and DL are both thin as can be. Sean Taylor has legal issues.

Explain where Dallas is deeper then Washington at any other position besides linebacker.

[DragonCowboy]

Santana Moss' 40 time coming out of college: 4.31

Terence Newman's 40 time coming out of college: 4.39

So, Moss is faster, but its basically insignificant. If you count that Newman starts further downfield than Moss, it'll even out.

[apickmans]

Nice informed post. :rolleyes:

just had to state the obvious. Sorry next time ill make sure to post Moss' and newman's 40 times.

[apickmans]

Santana Moss' 40 time coming out of college: 4.31

Terence Newman's 40 time coming out of college: 4.39

So, Moss is faster, but its basically insignificant. If you count that Newman starts further downfield than Moss, it'll even out.

.08 difference in the 40 is pretty significant if you ask me.

[DragonCowboy]

Explain where Dallas is deeper then Washington at any other position besides linebacker.

Who do you have at OL besides your first stringers? (Not a rhetorical question, I want to know)

The way BP is building our line is...

Adams, Kosier, Johnson, Rivera, Fabini

if Adams goes down:

A possibility is for Kosier to take the LT position, and have Andre Gurode take the LG position.

if Kosier goes down:

Andre Gurode takes the LG position.

if Johnson goes down:

Andre Gurode or maybe EJ Whitley takes the C position.

if Rivera goes down:

Andre Gurode takes Rivera's spot.

if Fabini goes down:

Maybe Kosier could take his position and have Gurode play LG, or maybe Petitti or Columbo can play instead.

And don't forget Peterman. If he goes behind Gurode (he might be ahead of Gurode and take all the above positions that I said Gurode would take), and Gurode goes down, Peterman will fill in.

Although our line isn't really good, we have backups so that an injury won't kill us again.

OG:
Kyle Kosier (can also play OT)
Stephen Peterman
Marco Rivera
(I'm probably forgetting people)

OT:
Jason Fabini
Flozell Adams
Rob Petitti
Marc Columbo

C:
Al Johnson
Andre Gurode (can also play OG)
EJ Whitley


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Also, don't forget the RB position.

Who do you have behind Clinton Portis who can effectively run the ball?

We have MB3 behind Julius Jones in case he gets injured.

We probably have better depth at DL also.

DE:
Greg Ellis
Jason Hatcher
Jay Ratliff?
Chris Canty
Marcus Spears
(anyone else?)

NT:
Jason Ferguson
Thomas Johnson
Montavious Stanley

[apickmans]

we have ladell betts who everyone loves as Portis' backup, and behind him is Rock cartright....another fan fav. We love our RB situation.

[5Stars]

....another fan fav. We love our RB situation.


:lmao2:

Fan favorites don't win football games....! RedStink logic, once again!

:dissskin:

[MossBurner]

Giants have improved their secondary which stank - but they still have Manning and his inaccuracy. Plus their O line is weakening.
Skins O line has a couple of question marks in it- not as many as ours.
Brunnell is fragile; if he goes down their season is over. Archuleta is past his prime and who knows what the story will be with Taylor. Randle El will really help their return game but do not expect much receiving help from him.
The Birds have no strong running attack- their whole offense is basically McFlabb and Westbrook- which ain't going to do it against good D's.
Their D will be better then last year but not as good as it was. Reid screwed up by not finding a real #1 WR. His obsession with drafting O and D linemen is not a bad one to have but they really needed Offensive skill people.

Questions with the Skins O-line?! That's news to me.

T - Samuels and Jansen are 2 of the 10 best in the league
G - Thomas is a top 5 guard and Dockery is solid at the least
C - Rabach is average but is still the best C in the East

[apickmans]

:lmao2:

Fan favorites don't win football games....! RedStink logic, once again!

:dissskin:

you again with your clever redstink comment. Theres a reason hes a fan fav. and thats cuz he produces with the few carries he does get, including that great game he had against St Louis last season(and yes i know st louis was horrible last year).

[MossBurner]

the skins are definitely the team to watch out for in teh east....unless eli makes a huge leap, the giants aren't going to be scoring that many points....and while the defense will keep them in games, eli is going to turn it over some....as long as brunell stays upright, he has enough help at receiver to do damage to any secondary....because santana moss alone is faster than anyone in our defensive backfield....including newman....so with the addition of another speedster in randle el plus a solid 3rd option in lloyd, not to mention cooley going over the middle and portis catching a pass every now and again....and you have our only real comp in teh division....the eagles pretty much got old overnight...and the division has improved too much for them to win it with basically the same offensive weapons they had during their years of dominance...its going to be a great season, damn it......

man i hate the skins!

The Giants scored the 3rd most points in the league last season. I hate them too, but where do you get this stuff?

[MossBurner]

I really doubt that Moss is faster then newman.

Santana might be the fastest player in the league.

[5Stars]

Santana might be the fastest player in the league.

And you "might" be a brain surgeon...but I doubt it! :lmao2:

:dissskin:

[5Stars]

you again with your clever redstink comment. Theres a reason hes a fan fav. and thats cuz he produces with the few carries he does get, including that great game he had against St Louis last season(and yes i know st louis was horrible last year).

Yo...did you know that Quincy Carter was a favorite to some fans? How did that work out? RedStink logic! :lmao:


:dissskin:

[DragonCowboy]

you again with your clever redstink comment. Theres a reason hes a fan fav. and thats cuz he produces with the few carries he does get, including that great game he had against St Louis last season(and yes i know st louis was horrible last year).

Ok, you have Betts and Cartwright. Yeah, but they don't scare me in the least.

Ok, last year, Betts carried the rock 89 times in 12 games. That's less than 8 carries per game.

Cartwright carried the rock 27 times in 16 games. That's less than 2 carries per game.

Last year, Portis carried the ball 352 times in 16 games. That's 22 carries per game.

So, the team averages about 32 carries per game, not including noodle-arm's runs.

Can Betts and Cartwright combine for that many carries? I don't think they have the gas in the tank to do that.

Who would you rather have, Betts or Marion Barber III, Cartwright or Thompson/Summers?

I would very much prefer our depth, even though Portis is better than Jones.

[big dog cowboy]

I would very much prefer our depth, even though Portis is better than Jones.
Portis and his shoulder problems need to be factored in as well. He was really hurting towards the end of last year.

[RiggoForever]

Portis and his shoulder problems need to be factored in as well. He was really hurting towards the end of last year.

He just had a stinger from taking out Sheldon Quarles on a block. That being said, I hope this year he doesn't have to carry the ball as much for our offense to be effective.

[DragonCowboy]

Santana might be the fastest player in the league.

Yes, Santana is faster than Newman.

For a gap of .08 seconds in a 40 time.

As for fastest player in the league, no, lay off the peace pipe.

[5Stars]

Did anyone see this years NFL Quarterback Challenge?

Mark Brusmell of the RedStinks was totally horrible! I watched him try to hit those moving targets...and that fool might have hit one or two of the close ones, but the others....? :lmao2:

When he goes down this season...see ya....! :laugh1:

:dissskin:

[RiggoForever]

Who do you have at OL besides your first stringers? (Not a rhetorical question, I want to know)

The way BP is building our line is...

Adams, Kosier, Johnson, Rivera, Fabini

if Adams goes down:

A possibility is for Kosier to take the LT position, and have Andre Gurode take the LG position.

if Kosier goes down:

Andre Gurode takes the LG position.

if Johnson goes down:

Andre Gurode or maybe EJ Whitley takes the C position.

if Rivera goes down:

Andre Gurode takes Rivera's spot.

if Fabini goes down:

Maybe Kosier could take his position and have Gurode play LG, or maybe Petitti or Columbo can play instead.

And don't forget Peterman. If he goes behind Gurode (he might be ahead of Gurode and take all the above positions that I said Gurode would take), and Gurode goes down, Peterman will fill in.

Although our line isn't really good, we have backups so that an injury won't kill us again.

OG:
Kyle Kosier (can also play OT)
Stephen Peterman
Marco Rivera
(I'm probably forgetting people)

OT:
Jason Fabini
Flozell Adams
Rob Petitti
Marc Columbo

C:
Al Johnson
Andre Gurode (can also play OG)
EJ Whitley


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Also, don't forget the RB position.

Who do you have behind Clinton Portis who can effectively run the ball?

We have MB3 behind Julius Jones in case he gets injured.

We probably have better depth at DL also.

DE:
Greg Ellis
Jason Hatcher
Jay Ratliff?
Chris Canty
Marcus Spears
(anyone else?)

NT:
Jason Ferguson
Thomas Johnson
Montavious Stanley

Ok, I'll concede you may be deeper on OL, because Petitti (though not good) got in a full season last year, but someone like Adams isn't really replaceable...just like Jansen and Samuels aren't replaceable on our line. However we do have Jim Molinaro, and we did sign Mike Pucillo and Tyson Walter for depth. I don't see either team having a legitimate starter ready to come in if theres an OL injury.

For RB we have Ladell Betts ( a solid player who spells Portis). We also have Rock Cartwright (who had a 100 yard game last year), and a couple of others battling to make the team in training camp.

On the DL we didn't lose anyone from last year, we signed Andre Carter...drafted a DT, have Reynaldo Wynn (a starter last year), and Demetric Evans as backups with Carter, Salave'a, Griffin, and Daniels as the starters.

[DragonCowboy]

DeAngelo Hall - 4.15 40-time
Kevin Jones - 4.2 40-time
Santana Moss - 4.31 40-time

Nice try, play again, "mossburner"

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Who do you have at OL besides your first stringers? (Not a rhetorical question, I want to know)

The way BP is building our line is...

Adams, Kosier, Johnson, Rivera, Fabini

if Adams goes down:

A possibility is for Kosier to take the LT position, and have Andre Gurode take the LG position.

if Kosier goes down:

Andre Gurode takes the LG position.

if Johnson goes down:

Andre Gurode or maybe EJ Whitley takes the C position.

if Rivera goes down:

Andre Gurode takes Rivera's spot.

if Fabini goes down:

Maybe Kosier could take his position and have Gurode play LG, or maybe Petitti or Columbo can play instead.

And don't forget Peterman. If he goes behind Gurode (he might be ahead of Gurode and take all the above positions that I said Gurode would take), and Gurode goes down, Peterman will fill in.

Although our line isn't really good, we have backups so that an injury won't kill us again.

OG:
Kyle Kosier (can also play OT)
Stephen Peterman
Marco Rivera
(I'm probably forgetting people)

OT:
Jason Fabini
Flozell Adams
Rob Petitti
Marc Columbo

C:
Al Johnson
Andre Gurode (can also play OG)
EJ Whitley


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Also, don't forget the RB position.

Who do you have behind Clinton Portis who can effectively run the ball?

We have MB3 behind Julius Jones in case he gets injured.

We probably have better depth at DL also.

DE:
Greg Ellis
Jason Hatcher
Jay Ratliff?
Chris Canty
Marcus Spears
(anyone else?)

NT:
Jason Ferguson
Thomas Johnson
Montavious Stanley

Only positions we are deeper at then the skins are...

Linebacker
Defensive End
Tight Ends
Runningback a tad
Safetys

best believe that... fools

[DragonCowboy]

Ok, I'll concede you may be deeper on OL, because Petitti (though not good) got in a full season last year, but someone like Adams isn't really replaceable...just like Jansen and Samuels aren't replaceable on our line. However we do have Jim Molinaro, and we did sign Mike Pucillo and Tyson Walter for depth. I don't see either team having a legitimate starter ready to come in if theres an OL injury.

For RB we have Ladell Betts ( a solid player who spells Portis). We also have Rock Cartwright (who had a 100 yard game last year), and a couple of others battling to make the team in training camp.

On the DL we didn't lose anyone from last year, we signed Andre Carter...drafted a DT, have Reynaldo Wynn (a starter last year), and Demetric Evans as backups with Carter, Salave'a, Griffin, and Daniels as the starters.



Just, Ladell Betts doesn't seem as good as Marion Barber, that's JMO anyway. Ask most people here, and they'll say that MB3 is better than Betts.

Ok, I'll admit that you have a better DL depth than I thought.

According to your last paragraph, you have 8 players for 4 positions, or 2 players per position.

We have 8 players for 3 positions, around 2.667 players per position. Plus, if you look at our DL, we switch in ALOT, meaning we have backups who play close to the level of the starters, since we can afford to switch them and not have a huge fall in pass rush. IMO, DL is our most loaded area.

[RiggoForever]

DeAngelo Hall - 4.15 40-time
Kevin Jones - 4.2 40-time
Santana Moss - 4.31 40-time

Nice try, play again, "mossburner"

4.15 for DeAngelo hall? I didn't know it was possible to run that fast.

[DragonCowboy]

4.15 for DeAngelo hall? I didn't know it was possible to run that fast.

Here's the link:

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/02202003aaa.html

I was skeptical at first, but I decided to use it anyway lol.

[5Stars]

but someone like Adams isn't really replaceable...

Are you really that ignorant, stupid, or naive? Take a look around you...everyone is replaceable! Besides that was last year....! This year, it's all gonna be different and changed....:cool:

RedStink logic at it's best...

:dissskin:

[DragonCowboy]

Are you really that ignorant, stupid, or naive? Take a look around you...everyone is replaceable! Besides that was last year....! This year, it's all gonna be different and changed....:cool:

RedStink logic at it's best...

:dissskin:


5Stars, RiggoForever probably meant that our OL would take a downward spiral if Adams was injured. That happened, didn't it? Adams is really important to our OL, if he gets injured, it won't be easy to replace him and still have a solid OL.

Don't make fun of him for his "redstink logic", he's one of the few Redskins fans that I respect.

The other trolls though, make fun of them all you want!

[RiggoForever]

Are you really that ignorant, stupid, or naive? Take a look around you...everyone is replaceable! Besides that was last year....! This year, it's all gonna be different and changed....:cool:

RedStink logic at it's best...

:dissskin:


I meant that certain players are not replacable without a drop off in talent and without it making the team have to adjust.

Keep telling yourself that. :) The truth will come out on September 17 and November 5.

[5Stars]

4.15 for DeAngelo hall? I didn't know it was possible to run that fast.

Really? Hey, watch and see how FAST you RedStinks run from this forum after the 2nd game this coming season...!

:dissskin:

[Cbz40]

It is my opinion the Giants will cause us the most difficulty. Remembering our second game against them last season their D manhandled us. If Eli gets his act together .....Watch out.

We can win the division if our OL can play up to expectations..and of course stay away from key injuries.

[RiggoForever]

Really? Hey, watch and see how FAST you RedStinks run from this forum after the 2nd game this coming season...!

:dissskin:

Nah if you win, I'll take my lumps and give you credit. I've been a fan of this team through the highs and the lows.

Are you going to the game at Texas Stadium this year?

[RiggoForever]

It is my opinion the Giants will cause us the most difficulty. Remembering our second game against them last season their D manhandled us. If Eli gets his act together .....Watch out.

We can win the division if our OL can play up to expectations..and of course stay away from key injuries.

The Giants will be tough, but I think their schedule (in particular their first 7 games) leaves them no reason for error. If they come out of the first 7 games 4-3 or better, watch out.


Sunday, 9/108:15 PM
NBC
COLTS



Sunday, 9/171:00 PM
FOX
at Eagles



Sunday, 9/244:15 PM
FOX
at Seahawks



Sunday, 10/1

BYE



Sunday, 10/81:00 PM
FOX
REDSKINS



Sunday, 10/151:00 PM
FOX
at Falcons



Monday, 10/238:30 PM
ESPN
at Cowboys



Sunday, 10/291:00 PM
FOX
BUCCANEERS

[5Stars]

Nah if you win, I'll take my lumps and give you credit. I've been a fan of this team through the highs and the lows.

Are you going to the game at Texas Stadium this year?

Why should I do that? I got DirecTV and TIVO....! I bought it this year so I can witness in 's l o w m o t i o n'...when the RedStinks come down to Texas and play ball....just in case St. Gibby needs some tape to send into the NFL...if everyone else can sponge off Lil Danny...I want to try too!

:dissskin:

[RiggoForever]

Why should I do that? I got DirecTV and TIVO....! I bought it this year so I can witness in 's l o w m o t i o n'...when the RedStinks come down to Texas and play ball....just in case St. Gibby needs some tape to send into the NFL...if everyone else can sponge off Lil Danny...I want to try too!

:dissskin:

I see! lol Do you not live in Dallas territory then?

[Cbz40]

The Giants will be tough, but I think their schedule (in particular their first 7 games) leaves them no reason for error. If they come out of the first 7 games 4-3 or better, watch out.


Sunday, 9/108:15 PM
NBC
COLTS



Sunday, 9/171:00 PM
FOX
at Eagles



Sunday, 9/244:15 PM
FOX
at Seahawks



Sunday, 10/1

BYE



Sunday, 10/81:00 PM
FOX
REDSKINS



Sunday, 10/151:00 PM
FOX
at Falcons



Monday, 10/238:30 PM
ESPN
at Cowboys



Sunday, 10/291:00 PM
FOX
BUCCANEERS




Agree....we should know alot about the Giants after those first seven games.

They will have played evryone on the division and three playoff teams....brutal schedule. They deserve it after having an extra home game last season. :)

[5Stars]

5Stars, RiggoForever probably meant that our OL would take a downward spiral if Adams was injured. That happened, didn't it? Adams is really important to our OL, if he gets injured, it won't be easy to replace him and still have a solid OL.

Don't make fun of him for his "redstink logic", he's one of the few Redskins fans that I respect.

The other trolls though, make fun of them all you want!

So, now your 'thinking' for RiggoFucever? :eek:

NASA...we got a problem! A Cowboy fan trying to make out with a RedStink! :confused: :lmao:


It's all fun...until the 2nd game this coming season! :mad: Then? Back they go...to hear their little Marching Band...again...sending tapes to the NFL, paying off the Refs (and they will this year)...and bawling about the schedule, moaning and groaning about every loss that will mount up this coming season...?


Hey, all these RedStinks know I'm their friend....right?

:lmao:

:dissskin:

[Calicowboy]

For me, it's the Skins.

Yeah yeah I know, they shouldnt have beat us the first game. But they did, in a game we should have won, especially with the Triplets being inducted into the ROH. Injuries, suspensions, player slumps, or whatever are part of the game. The second game, was hideous. They had our number last season, and until we beat them, this is the team I'm hoping loses every week.

The Giants are a very close second. Eli will be a great QB, just hoping it's not this season.

[lspain1]

You really have to give the nod to the Redskins based upon last year's record if nothing else. The game last December should give everyone pause until we prove we can beat them.

[DragonCowboy]

So, now your 'thinking' for RiggoFucever? :eek:

NASA...we got a problem! A Cowboy fan trying to make out with a RedStink! :confused: :lmao:


It's all fun...until the 2nd game this coming season! :mad: Then? Back they go...to hear their little Marching Band...again...sending tapes to the NFL, paying off the Refs (and they will this year)...and bawling about the schedule, moaning and groaning about every loss that will mount up this coming season...?


Hey, all these RedStinks know I'm their friend....right?

:lmao:

:dissskin:


Hahah.

I guess I misinterpreted what you were doing.

[apickmans]

Yo...did you know that Quincy Carter was a favorite to some fans? How did that work out? RedStink logic! :lmao:


:dissskin:

u make this too easy for me........You are talking about a player that was your starting QUARTERBACK....iam talking about a 3rd string running back. I wish you guys still had carter on your team.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

HENSON= GOD

lmao, dont try convincing the believers otherwise!

[apickmans]

DeAngelo Hall - 4.15 40-time
Kevin Jones - 4.2 40-time
Santana Moss - 4.31 40-time

Nice try, play again, "mossburner"

I thought Kevin Jones ran a slower 40 than people thouht he would of at his combine. wasnt it something like 4.45?? i really dont think he ran it at 4.2

[Hostile]

HENSON= GOD

lmao, dont try convincing the believers otherwise!I believe in Henson but I don't put him anywhere near God level. I'm probably his most ardant supporter. In other words, you're stereotype has no basis in truth. I'm not at all shocked.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

I believe in Henson but I don't put him anywhere near God level. I'm probably his most ardant supporter. In other words, you're stereotype has no basis in truth. I'm not at all shocked.

Ohhh please...

Alot of henson supporters on this site think of him as the 10th wonder of the world, golden boy, god, the next "great". Its amazing at what lengths some of you guys go too to defend him.

[Hostile]

Ohhh please...

Alot of henson supporters on this site think of him as the 10th wonder of the world, golden boy, god, the next "great". Its amazing at what lengths some of you guys go too to defend him.Name one person who equates him with God.

What lengths have I gone to to defend him that equate to God status? I'll openly admit I've defended him against very stupid claims. That doesn't equal God-like in my book.

Do a search of my posts and expose my guilt in making him a God. Good luck. You're going to need it. I think it would be easier to remove the foot, but that's up to you.

[jterrell]

I thought Kevin Jones ran a slower 40 than people thouht he would of at his combine. wasnt it something like 4.45?? i really dont think he ran it at 4.2
He ran a 4.6.

It dropped him from top 5 pick about 30 slots to Detroit who had passed on him for another WR.

[jterrell]

I meant that certain players are not replacable without a drop off in talent and without it making the team have to adjust.

Keep telling yourself that. :) The truth will come out on September 17 and November 5.
Actually its the Skins who are the more shallow team by far.

Adams hurt alot because we did not have any other LTs on the roster and the guy who would have been asked to play there had quit on us.

The Skins should be fully aware because that Hogette line sucked when Samuels was out.

[jterrell]

Explain where Dallas is deeper then Washington at any other position besides linebacker.
You pick a position where Dallas isn't as deep or deeper.

TE, DE, CB are not even close.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Name one person who equates him with God.

What lengths have I gone to to defend him that equate to God status? I'll openly admit I've defended him against very stupid claims. That doesn't equal God-like in my book.

Do a search of my posts and expose my guilt in making him a God. Good luck. You're going to need it. I think it would be easier to remove the foot, but that's up to you.

I really dont feel like doing a full-fledged investigation right now and I dont recall you ever defending him to such ludicrous heights.

Make no mistake about it though that there alot of people on this site that go out of their way and look quite stupid while defending henson. Im sorry I Cant think of names too many henson supporters on the site.

Hey I want to see Henson do well just as much as you guys and I do support him (kinda) but lets face the facts and be real about it while doing so.

[Hostile]

I really dont feel like doing a full-fledged investigation right now and I dont recall you ever defending him to such ludicrous heights.

Make no mistake about it though that there alot of people on this site that go out of their way and look quite stupid while defending henson. Im sorry I Cant think of names too many henson supporters on the site.

Hey I want to see Henson do well just as much as you guys and I do support him (kinda) but lets face the facts and be real about it while doing so.In other words, I was right, you spoke without anything to back it up.

I said it before, I am probably his most ardent defender. If you doubt this why don't you ask around. I consider him a potential top 5 QB in the NFL when he gets his shot, and I don't apologize for that. But equating him with God would mean I put him at #1 overall and no one close to him. No one on this site has done this.

You shot your mouth off and it was a misfire. Period.

[SultanOfSix]

.

Make no mistake about it though that there alot of people on this site that go out of their way and look quite stupid while defending henson. Im sorry I Cant think of names too many henson supporters on the site.


Umm..ok, that makes sense. :lmao2:

[DragonCowboy]

I thought Kevin Jones ran a slower 40 than people thouht he would of at his combine. wasnt it something like 4.45?? i really dont think he ran it at 4.2

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/02202003aaa.html

"Tailback Kevin Jones (http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/2002/jones.html), a rising junior from Chester, Pa., also ran well, recording consistent times in the 4.2-range"

Note that this isn't from the combine.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

In other words, I was right, you spoke without anything to back it up.

I said it before, I am probably his most ardent defender. If you doubt this why don't you ask around. I consider him a potential top 5 QB in the NFL when he gets his shot, and I don't apologize for that. But equating him with God would mean I put him at #1 overall and no one close to him. No one on this site has done this.

You shot your mouth off and it was a misfire. Period.

I shot my mouth off? It was a misfire? lol umm okay...

Henson a top 5 QB in what nfl europe?

Keep dreaming.

[Hostile]

I shot my mouth off? It was a misfire? lol umm okay...

Henson a top 5 QB in what nfl europe?

Keep dreaming.Read it again and try to comprehend. I said he has that kind of potential. That's why I like him.

You said Henson = God and couldn't produce any proof. That's called shooting your mouth off. You tried to stereotype people who support him and misfired.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

I know you just said, He has the potential to become a top 5 qb in the nfl and I find that ****ING HILLARIOUS!

You want proof that comment is some proof. Not quite god like but close enough.

[Bizwah]

You pick a position where Dallas isn't as deep or deeper.

TE, DE, CB are not even close.

The only position I can think of would be the OL. And the Skins aren't really deeper there.....they are better there.

I think the only areas that the Skins beat us in are the OL and RB. I think we out-class them in every other area.

[rdsknsbaby]

The Redskins will be your biggest competitor.

Portis in the backfield. (one of the best in the league)
Moss, Randel El, Lloyd, AND Patten lined up against any D will open up the field for Portis.
Oh and dont forget Cooley running through the middle. and Fauria Blocking... i mean c'mon imagine that Offense... now I just hope that our O-line can hold up.

I'm not too worried about Brunell going down because i honestly believe that Campbell can take over, and take over well.

Our D will be very scary with Archuletta and Taylor waiting for guys to come up the middle, which will take alot off of Springs, Rogers, and Morton. our D-line when healthy can run with the best, especially now (assuming Carter gels) with our new pass rushers. i think that the Redskins will be the team to beat in the NFCE.

[Bizwah]

Nah if you win, I'll take my lumps and give you credit. I've been a fan of this team through the highs and the lows.

Are you going to the game at Texas Stadium this year?

Right......

Not ONE of you Redskin fans had the guts to show up on our boards until after you lucked into a victory in September of last year.

Now you infest our boards.

If we beat you this year I sincerely hope you do stick around. You will have earned the respect of a lot of people here.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

I think the skins have better Defensive Tackles as well.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Moss, Randel El, Lloyd, AND Patten lined up against any D will open up the field for Portis.


Lloyd is crap, patten is a castoff, randle el isnt a receiver, and Moss is good. That WR core isnt anything to bragg about.

[DragonCowboy]

The Redskins will be your biggest competitor.

Portis in the backfield. (one of the best in the league)
Moss, Randel El, Lloyd, AND Patten lined up against any D will open up the field for Portis.
Oh and dont forget Cooley running through the middle. and Fauria Blocking... i mean c'mon imagine that Offense... now I just hope that our O-line can hold up.

I'm not too worried about Brunell going down because i honestly believe that Campbell can take over, and take over well.

Our D will be very scary with Archuletta and Taylor waiting for guys to come up the middle, which will take alot off of Springs, Rogers, and Morton. our D-line when healthy can run with the best, especially now (assuming Carter gels) with our new pass rushers. i think that the Redskins will be the team to beat in the NFCE.

Ok, one problem with your offense...

You have your QB and OL of course ---- 6 players
You mentioned holes opened up for Portis -- 1 player
Your 4 WRs ------ 4 players
Don't forget Cooley and "Superman" Fauria -- 2 players


I expect you to be able to add all that. 13 players. Good luck tricking the refs into that...

Your defense will be good assuming that Sean Taylor doesn't spend 40 something years with his new best friend, Bubba.

[rdsknsbaby]

Ok, one problem with your offense...

You have your QB and OL of course ---- 6 players
You mentioned holes opened up for Portis -- 1 player
Your 4 WRs ------ 4 players
Don't forget Cooley and "Superman" Fauria -- 2 players


I expect you to be able to add all that. 13 players. Good luck tricking the refs into that...

Your defense will be good assuming that Sean Taylor doesn't spend 40 something years with his new best friend, Bubba.

i never said that they would be out on the field all at one time. i was just naming the guys on the offense that can do some damage. and do you HONESTLY think that ST is going to jail? Be honest.

[apickmans]

Ok, one problem with your offense...

You have your QB and OL of course ---- 6 players
You mentioned holes opened up for Portis -- 1 player
Your 4 WRs ------ 4 players
Don't forget Cooley and "Superman" Fauria -- 2 players


I expect you to be able to add all that. 13 players. Good luck tricking the refs into that...

Your defense will be good assuming that Sean Taylor doesn't spend 40 something years with his new best friend, Bubba.

I'm pretty sure he didnt mean using them all at one time. Sean taylor is not going to go to jail, im sure most of you believe he wont either, as much as it pains you to know it.

[Bizwah]

The Redskins will be your biggest competitor.

Portis in the backfield. (one of the best in the league)

True....but he's never really done well against us. Not even in game two last year.

Moss, Randel El, Lloyd, AND Patten lined up against any D will open up the field for Portis.

Again, this trio doesn't really scare me. Moss is dangerous, but the other guys really are rather average. Newman, Henry, and Glenn are more than a match for them.

Oh and dont forget Cooley running through the middle. and Fauria Blocking... i mean c'mon imagine that Offense... now I just hope that our O-line can hold up.

I think Skins fans greatly overrate Cooley. He's a nice player, but he's not a guy you have to gameplan for. Ignore him (as we did in game two) and he'll beat you.....he's nothing special.....Your offense will be improved....but not dominating.

I'm not too worried about Brunell going down because i honestly believe that Campbell can take over, and take over well.

I like Brunell....always have. He's a great guy. But he's 37. I'm sure the rest of the NFC East is licking their chops over Campbell. Now, I dont' think we're any better at QB. Although, Romo is highly thought of in NFL circles.

Our D will be very scary with Archuletta and Taylor waiting for guys to come up the middle, which will take alot off of Springs, Rogers, and Morton. our D-line when healthy can run with the best, especially now (assuming Carter gels) with our new pass rushers. i think that the Redskins will be the team to beat in the NFCE.

I like Taylor as a player....he's not much of a person. Hopefully, he'll grow up. Taylor is a great safety. But Archuletta? He's merely average. He is better than Davis and Coleman...although Coleman may be better in coverage.

You DL doesn't scare anyone. Without blitzing you can't even sniff the QB. Skins fans are acting as if Carter is the second coming. He's not.....He's merely an average end. He had 10+ sacks in one season, but he's fallen off the map in the others. He's too light to stop the run, so Flo should blow him away.

The best thing your defense has going for it is the scheme. Aside from Washington at LB and Taylor at safety, there's not a whole lot of talent.

[Hostile]

I know you just said, He has the potential to become a top 5 qb in the nfl and I find that ****ING HILLARIOUS!

You want proof that comment is some proof. Not quite god like but close enough.Like I said, I am probably one of his most ardent supporters.

Top 5 in the NFL does not equal God-like status. Especially when I qualify it as "potentially." In other words, he's not there yet.

Translation = misfire. Your attempt to stereotype me and my fellow fans who have some hope in this kid missed the mark. Rather than put up some proof of your claim, you backed off. Typical.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

I knew from day one or wait day 2 that shawna taylor wouldnt serve a minute of jail time.

Hey you can you skins fans see my sig picture? lol yes I know im great with photoshop.

[apickmans]

Lloyd is crap, patten is a castoff, randle el isnt a receiver, and Moss is good. That WR core isnt anything to bragg about.

hmm lemme try this out.....

Owens is a cancer, Glenn is old and has alligator arms, oh and crayton isnt a receiver. I like that one. I guuuuuueeeesss TO can have his good days, but that WR core isnt anything to brag about.

[Hostile]

hmm lemme try this out.....

Owens is a cancer, Glenn is old and has alligator arms, oh and crayton isnt a receiver. I like that one. I guuuuuueeeesss TO can have his good days, but that WR core isnt anything to brag about.I got a buck says the NFL media will rate Dallas as a top 5 WR corps (not core).

[DragonCowboy]

i never said that they would be out on the field all at one time. i was just naming the guys on the offense that can do some damage. and do you HONESTLY think that ST is going to jail? Be honest.

I'm pretty sure he didnt mean using them all at one time. Sean taylor is not going to go to jail, im sure most of you believe he wont either, as much as it pains you to know it.

Hehe, its really fun getting you guys mad. Yes, I know you meant they wouldn't be on the field all the time.

Sean Taylor won't go to jail. Those dirtbags who stole his ATV's deserved to get shot anyway.

[Bizwah]

I think the skins have better Defensive Tackles as well.

This is true....I like their DTs...especially in a 4-3. It's really hard to compare our two teams defenses aside from the secondaries.

As a whole, I think our DL is better.....adding in all DL. We have talent and youth. Canty, Spears, Hatcher, Ratliff, Johnson, and Stanley make up a nice nucleus.

[RiggoForever]

You pick a position where Dallas isn't as deep or deeper.

TE, DE, CB are not even close.

QB: I'll say Washington...everybody behind Brunell and Bledsoe is unproven, but Collins is a veteran and has experience in Al Saunders offense. Campbell won't be used unless he wins the 2nd spot in camp.

RB: Washington (We use 3 in our rotation, Betts has speed and has returned kickoffs for TDs, and is a pass catching threat coming out of the backfield.

WR: Washington (4 proven receivers in Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, and Patten). Cowboys only have 2 legitimate threats, though Crayton may prove himself this year if he can avoid injury.

TE: Dallas...I'll give Witten/Fasano/Hannam an edge over Cooley/Fauria/Johnson

OL: Even....after the starters both teams will see a dropoff in talent. The Redskins probably a bigger dropoff, just because our OL has been together longer

DE: Redskins have Carter/Daniels/Wynn/Evans depending on whether its a running or passing situation. Dallas has Spears/Canty/Ellis/Hatcher. I'll say even.

DT: I'll say N/A because the 3-4 only has one interior lineman.

LB: Dallas is deeper with Ware/Ayodele/James/Carpenter and Burnett/Shanle etc being able backups. Skins have great players in Marshall and Washington, but have a training camp battle with McIntosh and a couple other players for the WLB position. The WLB position won't be handed to McIntosh.

DB: I'll give the edge to Dallas in the secondary. Glenn is an able 3rd CB. I haven't seen enough of Wright to say the same for the Skins. I also think Watkins is going to be a good player for Dallas eventually...even if he's not the starting FS this year.

[apickmans]

I got a buck says the NFL media will rate Dallas as a top 5WR corps (not core).

ok youre on heh. I know its Corps...brain fart on my part.

[DragonCowboy]

hmm lemme try this out.....

Owens is a cancer, Glenn is old and has alligator arms, oh and crayton isnt a receiver. I like that one. I guuuuuueeeesss TO can have his good days, but that WR core isnt anything to brag about.


Does anyone have a TIVO of the second 2004 game?

[rdsknsbaby]

our WR corps in nothing to brag about, but it is a helluva upgrade from Moss, Patten, Thrash, and Jacobs.

[bobbie brewskie]

True....but he's never really done well against us. Not even in game two last year. the only reason he doesnt do well against us is because we gameplan and put 8 men in the box against him and that is why their other weapons beat us, its just like BP says, "you can shut-down any player in the league but you have to account for the sacrifice you are giving up elsewhere" or something to that extent, point being that you can shut down any player in exchange that somebody else does.


Again, this trio doesn't really scare me. Moss is dangerous, but the other guys really are rather average. Newman, Henry, and Glenn are more than a match for them. the trio is a bunch of #3 WRs, and i agree they are not scary. Moss is amazing while the other 3 will not fair all to well against henry and glenn . . .


I think Skins fans greatly overrate Cooley. He's a nice player, but he's not a guy you have to gameplan for. Ignore him (as we did in game two) and he'll beat you.....he's nothing special.....Your offense will be improved....but not dominating. agreed. the guy puts up numbers and what not but really he isnt a player that you need to worry about all to much.


I like Brunell....always have. He's a great guy. But he's 37. I'm sure the rest of the NFC East is licking their chops over Campbell. Now, I dont' think we're any better at QB. Although, Romo is highly thought of in NFL circles. . . .


I like Taylor as a player....he's not much of a person. Hopefully, he'll grow up. Taylor is a great safety. But Archuletta? He's merely average. He is better than Davis and Coleman...although Coleman may be better in coverage. Archuleta is barely better than Coleman. they play different positions but compare it like this:
Archuleta vs. run < Coleman vs. Pass
Archuleta vs. pass > Coleman vs. run


You DL doesn't scare anyone. Without blitzing you can't even sniff the QB. Skins fans are acting as if Carter is the second coming. He's not.....He's merely an average end. He had 10+ sacks in one season, but he's fallen off the map in the others. He's too light to stop the run, so Flo should blow him away. Carter is an upgrade, but in SF he didnt do all to much and he has only played 2 16 game seasons in his 6 year career.


The best thing your defense has going for it is the scheme. Aside from Washington at LB and Taylor at safety, there's not a whole lot of talent.

haha ok apicksmans, saying TO is a cancer is like saying ST is already in prison for 40 years . . . TO is possibly the best WR in the NFL, he just has off the field issues. glenn has alligator arms? i think he has better hands that any player on the redskins roster, but i guess you think just because glenn is fast that he cant catch, your wrong, the guy has pretty damn good hands. and crayton isnt a WR? wow, ok . . . so Crayton who is on the same level as Randle El, Lloyd and Patten isnt a WR, then i guess none of them are either . . .

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Like I said, I am probably one of his most ardent supporters.

Top 5 in the NFL does not equal God-like status. Especially when I qualify it as "potentially." In other words, he's not there yet.

Translation = misfire. Your attempt to stereotype me and my fellow fans who have some hope in this kid missed the mark. Rather than put up some proof of your claim, you backed off. Typical.

Stop beating around the bush and come out and say that he is going to become the best Quarterback in the league. Enough of this potential top 5 ****, I could say the same for pattycake watkins or justin beriault, they are both potentially TOP 5 Free Safetys if given a shot!

They all have to EARN a shot!!!! Henson was given a fair shot at thanksgiving day and he blew it now he has to EARN another shot.

[Hostile]

ok youre on heh. I know its Corps...brain fart on my part.The magazines come out June 1.

[Bizwah]

I'll try to rate the units here:

QB:
Philly
NYG
Dallas
Washington

RB:
NYG
Washington
Dallas
Philly

WR:
NYG
Dallas
Washington
Philly

TE:
Dallas
NYG
Philly
Washington

OL:
Washington
Philly
NYG
Dallas

DL:
NYG
Dallas
Philly
Washington

LB:
Dallas
Washington
NYG
Philly

Secondary:
Dallas
Philly
Washington
NYG

Really this is hard to call. There's been so much player movement. Not only that, you have so many positions that are super close and could go either way.

It's gonna be a tough division. The team that avoids injuries will be the winner.

Right now, I'd say the Giants will be the toughest game in the NFC East. They match up against us the best. Washington is really close too.

[RiggoForever]

True....but he's never really done well against us. Not even in game two last year.


Portis ran 23 times for 112 yards in the second game for a 4.9 YPC. I'd say that's pretty good.

[Hostile]

Stop beating around the bush and come out and say that he is going to become the best Quarterback in the league. Enough of this potential top 5 ****, I could say the same for pattycake watkins or justin beriault, they are both potentially TOP 5 Free Safetys if given a shot!

They all have to EARN a shot!!!! Henson was given a fair shot at thanksgiving day and he blew it now he has to EARN another shot.I don't think he will be the best QB in the NFL. See, that's where you're sticking your foot in your mouth. You think you can predict my thoughts and you can't. Hence the God reference which fell flat. It would have been easier to back off that rash statement than to be shown up, but you wouldn't take the sensible tack.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

I'll try to rate the units here:

QB:
Philly
NYG
Dallas
Washington

RB:
NYG
Washington
Dallas
Philly

WR:
NYG
Dallas
Washington
Philly

TE:
Dallas
NYG
Philly
Washington

OL:
Washington
Philly
NYG
Dallas

DL:
NYG
Dallas
Philly
Washington

LB:
Dallas
Washington
NYG
Philly

Secondary:
Dallas
Philly
Washington
NYG

Really this is hard to call. There's been so much player movement. Not only that, you have so many positions that are super close and could go either way.

It's gonna be a tough division. The team that avoids injuries will be the winner.

Right now, I'd say the Giants will be the toughest game in the NFC East. They match up against us the best. Washington is really close too.

Damn thats pretty much the same way I feel about the positions. Same with your opinions of our D-line as a whole.

[apickmans]

Does anyone have a TIVO of the second 2004 game?

yeah i know he scored the game winning TD. Does that make him a baller now? I like Crayton to be honest...i think he will play for dallas for a long time, but he doesnt scare me.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Portis ran 23 times for 112 yards in the second game for a 4.9 YPC. I'd say that's pretty good.

Thats good but I dont think thats why snyder traded the best CB in the league for him. Inter-division games you need your stars to have GREAT games in my opinion. But Nonetheless that is a good game.

[DragonCowboy]

I'll try to rate the units here:

QB:
Philly
NYG
Dallas
Washington


WR:
NYG
Dallas
Washington
Philly


I don't necessarily agree with the above. IMO, Bledsoe is better than Manning. Eli has been crippling this team, IMO. The only reason the Cowboys creeped back into the second game was because of Eli's interception to Aaron Glenn. Eli has had a better OL, so maybe that's why he might look better. YOu could also make an argument saying that he has a better supporting cast.

I think DAllas is better than New York in the receiving corps also. Dallas has Terrell Owens (who, although a horrible teammate, is a great receiver), and a deep threat in Terry Glenn (who will most likely be getting the single coverage). New York has Plaxico Burress and Sinorice Moss/Amani Toomer.

IMO, Sinorice is living off the name. He's WAY too small IMO.

[MossBurner]

Did anyone see this years NFL Quarterback Challenge?

Mark Brusmell of the RedStinks was totally horrible! I watched him try to hit those moving targets...and that fool might have hit one or two of the close ones, but the others....? :lmao2:

When he goes down this season...see ya....! :laugh1:

:dissskin:

Yeah, but did you see Mark lead the Skins to the playoffs last year? How did your #2 NFL QB do?

[MossBurner]

4.15 for DeAngelo hall? I didn't know it was possible to run that fast.

Those numbers are absolutely bogus.

[rdsknsbaby]

I'll try to rate the units here:

QB:
Philly
NYG
Dallas
Washington

RB:
NYG
Washington
Dallas
Philly

WR:
NYG
Dallas
Washington
Philly

TE:
Dallas
NYG
Philly
Washington

OL:
Washington
Philly
NYG
Dallas

DL:
NYG
Dallas
Philly
Washington

LB:
Dallas
Washington
NYG
Philly

Secondary:
Dallas
Philly
Washington
NYG

Really this is hard to call. There's been so much player movement. Not only that, you have so many positions that are super close and could go either way.

It's gonna be a tough division. The team that avoids injuries will be the winner.

Right now, I'd say the Giants will be the toughest game in the NFC East. They match up against us the best. Washington is really close too.


QB- agreed

RB- Too close to call between Washington and NY

WR- Are you Crazy?!?!?!?!
Dallas
Washington
NYG
Philly
Thats the order, and its even a toss up Between Dallas and Washington

TE-
Dallas
NYG
Washington
Philly

OL- Agreed

DL- Philly would be last in my book. I think that Dallas and Wahington again are too close to call.

LB- Agreed

Secondary-Too Closeto call between the First 3... But i would say...

Washington
Dallas
Philly
NYG

[MossBurner]

Here's the link:

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/recaps/02202003aaa.html

I was skeptical at first, but I decided to use it anyway lol.

40 times for 2 Hokies at a VT website, huh? VT grads can't count past 10 unless they have 3 hands. Don't trust their propaganda.

[Bizwah]

the only reason he doesnt do well against us is because we gameplan and put 8 men in the box against him and that is why their other weapons beat us, its just like BP says, "you can shut-down any player in the league but you have to account for the sacrifice you are giving up elsewhere" or something to that extent, point being that you can shut down any player in exchange that somebody else does.

Sure we do....but every team does. He's a great back, but he's never gone off against us like Barber has. We gameplan to stop that guy, but he always seems to kill us.

the trio is a bunch of #3 WRs, and i agree they are not scary. Moss is amazing while the other 3 will not fair all to well against henry and glenn . . .

I think Moss is a very good WR, but "amazing"? I don't think he's amazing. Last year was his first really good year. I want to see him do it again....with every defense keying on him....If he can do it again, then he's a GREAT player.

agreed. the guy puts up numbers and what not but really he isnt a player that you need to worry about all to much.

. . .

Archuleta is barely better than Coleman. they play different positions but compare it like this:
Archuleta vs. run < Coleman vs. Pass
Archuleta vs. pass > Coleman vs. run

I guess we can compare safeties this way:

Roy Williams is much better than Archuletta
Sean Taylor is much better than Coleman

Carter is an upgrade, but in SF he didnt do all to much and he has only played 2 16 game seasons in his 6 year career.

I've never been impressed with Carter....I can remember when he was drafted thinking he was overrated.

haha ok apicksmans, saying TO is a cancer is like saying ST is already in prison for 40 years . . . TO is possibly the best WR in the NFL, he just has off the field issues. glenn has alligator arms? i think he has better hands that any player on the redskins roster, but i guess you think just because glenn is fast that he cant catch, your wrong, the guy has pretty damn good hands. and crayton isnt a WR? wow, ok . . . so Crayton who is on the same level as Randle El, Lloyd and Patten isnt a WR, then i guess none of them are either . . .

Let's do the same exercise again....

TO is better than Moss
Glenn...you're right about him having some of the best hands in the NFL...remember Baldinger two years ago saying, "What a FREAKIN' catch!" when Glenn caught that pass vs Detroit?

Anyway...Glenn is better than Lloyd

Randel El is better than Crayton

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Those numbers are absolutely bogus.

Im sure those numbers are legit BUT they just had a faulty stopwatch.

Hey mossburner can you see the picture? can you see it? look down!

[apickmans]

Thats good but I dont think thats why snyder traded the best CB in the league for him. Inter-division games you need your stars to have GREAT games in my opinion. But Nonetheless that is a good game.

I think we've done quite alright without champ on our defense. Springs has played awesome for us. GIBBS traded the "best cb" in the league for Portis, who is now the teams all time leading rusher. So thats pretty cool. As for our stars to have great games....u mean like cooley did in the 2nd one.

[MossBurner]

Our D will be very scary with Archuletta and Taylor waiting for guys to come up the middle, which will take alot off of Springs, Rogers, and Morton. our D-line when healthy can run with the best, especially now (assuming Carter gels) with our new pass rushers. i think that the Redskins will be the team to beat in the NFCE.

Don't you mean Kenny Wright, instead of Morton (the practice squad CB)?

[rdsknsbaby]

Don't you mean Kenny Wright, instead of Morton (the practice squad CB)?


yes i realized that after the fact.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

I think we've done quite alright without champ on our defense. Springs has played awesome for us. GIBBS traded the "best cb" in the league for Portis, who is now the teams all time leading rusher. So thats pretty cool. As for our stars to have great games....u mean like cooley did in the 2nd one.

Yeah I'd say that would qualify as a great game. LOL :puke:

[MossBurner]

our WR corps in nothing to brag about, but it is a helluva upgrade from Moss, Patten, Thrash, and Jacobs.

And you're a football fan?

A Skins fan?

[dmq]

How can you phrase it, " who will challenge us for the NFC East..." when we didn't win the NFC East. I for one like our chances, but until we prove ourselves, we should be looking at it from a different point of view. Like, "did we improve ourselves enough to overtake....." This whole NFC East is up in the air. I like what we bring to the table, but for all we know , we fall flat right on Rivera's bad back..... Lets hope it is healed and Kosier is an unknown future Pro-bowler, but who knows....

[apickmans]

[quote=

haha ok apicksmans, saying TO is a cancer is like saying ST is already in prison for 40 years . . . TO is possibly the best WR in the NFL, he just has off the field issues. glenn has alligator arms? i think he has better hands that any player on the redskins roster, but i guess you think just because glenn is fast that he cant catch, your wrong, the guy has pretty damn good hands. and crayton isnt a WR? wow, ok . . . so Crayton who is on the same level as Randle El, Lloyd and Patten isnt a WR, then i guess none of them are either . . .[/quote]

ok i was just teasing(i was exaggerating) the guy who posted talking about the skins receivers when i said all that, but keep in mind TO has already been a cancer while Taylor has been found guilty of nothing. So you cant really compare the 2.

[bobbie brewskie]

Sure we do....but every team does. He's a great back, but he's never gone off against us like Barber has. We gameplan to stop that guy, but he always seems to kill us.



I think Moss is a very good WR, but "amazing"? I don't think he's amazing. Last year was his first really good year. I want to see him do it again....with every defense keying on him....If he can do it again, then he's a GREAT player.



I guess we can compare safeties this way:

Roy Williams is much better than Archuletta
Sean Taylor is much better than Coleman



I've never been impressed with Carter....I can remember when he was drafted thinking he was overrated.



Let's do the same exercise again....

TO is better than Moss
Glenn...you're right about him having some of the best hands in the NFL...remember Baldinger two years ago saying, "What a FREAKIN' catch!" when Glenn caught that pass vs Detroit?

Anyway...Glenn is better than Lloyd

Randel El is better than Crayton

i can agree with all of that . . . i always thought carter was a great leader though, he wasnt an amazing player but atleast he did something that few can do.

[Bizwah]

QB- agreed

RB- Too close to call between Washington and NY

Very close...But Barber is better...MUCH better all-around. He's a great blocker, receiver, and not far behind as a runner.

Barber stinkin' scares me everytime we play the Giants.

WR- Are you Crazy?!?!?!?!
Dallas
Washington
NYG
Philly
Thats the order, and its even a toss up Between Dallas and Washington

Are you crazy?

The Giants have Toomer (who's admittedly winding down but still very good), Burress (very tough), Moss, and that one dude that's a great returner.

And please.....No even toss up at all with Dallas and Washington. You guys greatly overrate your guys. Moss had ONE great season. ONE! The NFL is full of guys that have had ONE great season. Now, he could've broken out, or merely had a career year.

Owens is better than Moss
Glenn is better than Randel El
Ranel El is better than Crayton, although Crayton's numbers were comparable to El's last year.

TE-
Dallas
NYG
Washington
Philly

OL- Agreed

DL- Philly would be last in my book. I think that Dallas and Wahington again are too close to call.

This is a hard one. Philly has a nice DL. Howard, Kearse, Walker, and now Bunkley.....The Giants have the best bookends in the NFL...easily. I think you may have a point about our DLs....ours is very, very young.

LB- Agreed

Secondary-Too Closeto call between the First 3... But i would say...

Washington
Dallas
Philly
NYG[/QUOTE]

I don't think you all have the best secondary. Ours is better than yours.
Newman better than Springs
Henry better than Rogers
Williams better than Archuletta
Taylor is better than Coleman/Watkins/Davis

Glenn is a better 3rd CB than yours too.

[rdsknsbaby]

And you're a football fan?

A Skins fan?

yup......

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Uh-Oh....

Lets see this happen! Ding Ding.

Redskin Fans Fight between eachother on a Cowboys Board!!!! :fight: (tHINK of that as a redskins Logo)

Now FIGHT!!!

[bobbie brewskie]

QB- agreed

RB- Too close to call between Washington and NY

WR- Are you Crazy?!?!?!?!
Dallas
Washington
NYG
Philly
Thats the order, and its even a toss up Between Dallas and Washington

TE-
Dallas
NYG
Washington
Philly

OL- Agreed

DL- Philly would be last in my book. I think that Dallas and Wahington again are too close to call.

LB- Agreed

Secondary-Too Closeto call between the First 3... But i would say...

Washington
Dallas
Philly
NYG

RB - NYG over Washington because Tiki doesnt have as good surrounding talent and he is just flat out better than Portis nad he takes 376 carries and doesnt die at the end of the season when Portis takes 352 and dies by week 13 or 14. and also i say Westbrook wins out over JJ because he stays healthy, but JJ has the potential to be better than him.

WR - its not a toss up between Dallas and Washington because washington doesnt have a #2 WR, instead they have 3 #3 WRs, like said above:
TO > Moss
Glenn > Lloyd
Crayton < El

TE - Shockey is way over-rated and Cooley puts up = or better #s, shockey is only known as a good TE from his reputation . . . i say him and Cooley are about even and after that Washington wins
Dallas
Washington
NYG
Philthy

Secondary - once again Dallas is better than Washington but other than that i agree, like said before:
Archuleta <<<< Williams
Taylor <<<< Davis or Coleman

at CB we have what could be the best CB in the league (Newman) and Henry who until his groin injury was a top5 or 10 CB in the league, with Glenn at #3 (one of the best NB in the league)

sorry but Washingtons secondary doesnt exactly compare to Dallas'

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Yeah I agree with you bobbie, I just didnt feel like posting some monster in depth post.

[RiggoForever]

RB - NYG over Washington because Tiki doesnt have as good surrounding talent and he is just flat out better than Portis nad he takes 376 carries and doesnt die at the end of the season when Portis takes 352 and dies by week 13 or 14. and also i say Westbrook wins out over JJ because he stays healthy, but JJ has the potential to be better than him.


Portis finished the regular season with 5 straight 100 yard games, including 3 straight against NFC East opponents in weeks 15, 16, and 17.

[RiggoForever]

Thats good but I dont think thats why snyder traded the best CB in the league for him. Inter-division games you need your stars to have GREAT games in my opinion. But Nonetheless that is a good game.

Its simple...we were very soft at RB. Portis can pound the ball, which Gibbs likes. Bailey was disgruntled before Gibbs came and wanted out, and Gibbs always does his best to get rid of players who don't want to be in DC (see Arrington).

That's why I think it wouldn't be a bad idea for the Cowboys to trade Ellis if they can get decent compensation for him.

[bobbie brewskie]

Portis finished the regular season with 5 straight 100 yard games, including 3 straight against NFC East opponents in weeks 15, 16, and 17.

ok you win, still tiki took 24 more carries than portis and pounded the ball all-season long, opening up games for his team. i may be wrong about portis not lasting til the end, but as a skins fan doesnt he look a lot more "rattled" near the end of the season?

[RiggoForever]

ok you win, still tiki took 24 more carries than portis and pounded the ball all-season long, opening up games for his team. i may be wrong about portis not lasting til the end, but as a skins fan doesnt he look a lot more "rattled" near the end of the season?

Well Portis was banged up in the Philly game, and got a stinger in the game against Tampa. Portis did get tired towards the end of the 2004 season because he was used to about 250 carries a season in Denver...but last year he was better at the end of the season then the year before.

Tiki Barber was a machine this past season, but even he didn't do much against Carolina in the playoffs, a team that allowed 194 yards to Julius Jones.

I'm not sure Barber will be able to duplicate a 1800 yard season though, that's alot to ask of an RB over 30.

[bobbie brewskie]

Tiki Barber was a machine this past season, but even he didn't do much against Carolina in the playoffs, a team that allowed 194 yards to Julius Jones.

I'm not sure Barber will be able to duplicate a 1800 yard season though, that's alot to ask of an RB over 30.

Carolina is a tough defense and they dont really allow all to many yards to any player. Julius Jones has many breakout games and to me is quite inconsistant. yes, he always has a solid amount of yards (75 yards w/ MBIII taking a bit away) but i mean inconsistant - 1 week against a crap team he has 70 yards and then the next, against one of the best defenses he has 150 yards . . . neways my point is JJ pulls weird games, usually in the clutch or during "big games".

Barber no way will have 1700+ yards again, the guy is amazing but like you said is on the wrong side of 30 and has been punished throughout his career, Eli is getting a huge load dropped on his shoulders from Tiki. but sinc we are judging from last season i still have Tiki above Clinton.

[Eddie]

http://www.geocities.com/desivibe2k3/sid.jpg

Wow! Amazing graphics from Madden 2001 on the PS2.

[Doomsday101]

I think every team in the NFC East has a legit chance to win the division.

[baj1dallas]

we also picked up the blitz very well


iirc Washington didn't blitz hardly any in that first game last year...I remember us being baffled but thankful.

[redskins1]

baj1dallas,your right we called off the doggs early cause the blitz wasnt working,but the skins d still held ya to 13 pts...point being blitz or no blitz you will struggle against the skins d....

[Hostile]

baj1dallas,your right we called off the doggs early cause the blitz wasnt working,but the skins d still held ya to 13 pts...point being blitz or no blitz you will struggle against the skins d....Struggled in 2005 is fair to say. Will struggle again in 2006 isn't. You have no idea at this point about injuries or chemistry for either team. Pure speculation at this point, no basis in fact.

[Cowchips]

I'll try to rate the units here:

QB:
Philly
NYG
Dallas
Washington



Dallas and NYG have the best QB situation. Both QB's produced pretty well last season. Bledsoe will likely improve with better protection and TO. Manning should improve through maturity.

Most likely McNabb and Brunnell will not complete the season uninjured. Brunnell is basically equal to Bledsoe or Manning when healthy but very injury prone. McNabb is better but with his typical injury problems and wr's that suck, he'll be below average.

[redskins1]

Hostile...with all due respect,the skins d is so much more aggressive and plays with so much more energy and focus then your cowboys defense,and dont kid yourself..that will not change..and again,blitz or no blitz skins d can stop the cowboys offense...Greg williams is the difference!!!!

[superpunk]

I guess that's why the Skins finished with a much better defense than us....all that extra energy and focus.

[Hostile]

Hostile...with all due respect,the skins d is so much more aggressive and plays with so much more energy and focus then your cowboys defense,and dont kid yourself..that will not change..and again,blitz or no blitz skins d can stop the cowboys offense...Greg williams is the difference!!!!You are right about Gregg Williams, but your defense in 2006 will not be the same as your defense in 2005. No 2 years are exactly alike and there are no guarantees from one year to the next.

You'll have a good defense but you have no idea if their blitz will be effective until you start playing. You have no idea if we can stop a blitz until we start playing. You have no idea if you'll dare to blitz until you see how our O lines up.

Lots of things can change. Injuries is only 1 thing, but to assume you won't have any and that everyone will be as focused as in 2005 is speculation.

You can say the same thing without stating it as a fact. It's called English.

[5Stars]

You are right about Gregg Williams, but your defense in 2006 will not be the same as your defense in 2005. No 2 years are exactly alike and there are no guarantees from one year to the next.

You'll have a good defense but you have no idea if their blitz will be effective until you start playing. You have no idea if we can stop a blitz until we start playing. You have no idea if you'll dare to blitz until you see how our O lines up.

Lots of things can change. Injuries is only 1 thing, but to assume you won't have any and that everyone will be as focused as in 2005 is speculation.

You can say the same thing without stating it as a fact. It's called English.

According to redstink1's bio, he's 43 years old...you would think he's old enough and mature enough to have already figured that out! I guess he thinks the same things that happened today are going to happen the same way tomorrow! :rolleyes:

:dissskin:

[redskins1]

only injuries will stop the skins defense from performing at a high level,like it has the past 2 season under greg williams...this guy takes average or below average players and has them step in and play at a high level,simply i have know reason to think otherwise...our d played against philly with TO his 1st and 2nd year in philly,minus the 2nd game and he didnt do much at all against us...so i dont see much changing now that TO is playing with a qb who cant move,again if we blitz or not the skins d will be hard to move the ball on..

[superpunk]

only injuries will stop the skins defense from performing at a high level,like it has the past 2 season under greg williams...this guy takes average or below average players and has them step in and play at a high level,simply i have know reason to think otherwise...our d played against philly with TO his 1st and 2nd year in philly,minus the 2nd game and he didnt do much at all against us...so i dont see much changing now that TO is playing with a qb who cant move,again if we blitz or not the skins d will be hard to move the ball on..

You realize that except for 04, our defense has been REALLY good under Zimmer, right?

You realize that we were a top 5 D, shutting down the best RBs in the league until injuries devastated our LB corp.

You realize that despite significant injuries to our LBs, CB, we still managed to rank 11 in total D, only one spot behind the skins - in our FIRST year running the 3-4?

If you actually DO realize all that, it should scare ya silly.:D

[silver]

the redskins. the swept us last year. hof coach. veteran qb. speed outside. solid rb. solid te. good defense. solid all around. they are our strongest foe iMHO.

[redskins1]

silver.finally a cowboy fan who see things beyond being a homer...when your cowboys were kicking our butts game after game..i hated it,but i realized until my boys change it,your team was better...ITS CHANGED!!!

[Hostile]

only injuries will stop the skins defense from performing at a high level,like it has the past 2 season under greg williams...this guy takes average or below average players and has them step in and play at a high level,simply i have know reason to think otherwise...our d played against philly with TO his 1st and 2nd year in philly,minus the 2nd game and he didnt do much at all against us...so i dont see much changing now that TO is playing with a qb who cant move,again if we blitz or not the skins d will be hard to move the ball on..How can anyone claiming to be 43 be this naive?

Nothing is guaranteed. Optimism is fine but mix in a slice of reality now and then.

[Hostile]

silver.finally a cowboy fan who see things beyond being a homer...when your cowboys were kicking our butts game after game..i hated it,but i realized until my boys change it,your team was better...ITS CHANGED!!!Back your butt on up on calling me a homer. I haven't said one thing praising Dallas as being able to overcome the Skins. I have said nothing is guaranteed. I happen to be right even if it does chap your butt. Ask Eagles fans if anything is guaranteed. Pay attention.

[DragonCowboy]

silver.finally a cowboy fan who see things beyond being a homer...when your cowboys were kicking our butts game after game..i hated it,but i realized until my boys change it,your team was better...ITS CHANGED!!!

I wouldn't be so sure. We had your number for Game 2. Just 2 minutes left, you guys beat us, we underestimated Santana Moss. We were the better team then.

Then, for the second game, you had everything going in your way, and we had everything going against us. We had plentiful injuries, you had few.

Don't be surprised if you get swept again. If that happens, you better eat your crow.

[Bizwah]

only injuries will stop the skins defense from performing at a high level,like it has the past 2 season under greg williams...this guy takes average or below average players and has them step in and play at a high level,simply i have know reason to think otherwise...our d played against philly with TO his 1st and 2nd year in philly,minus the 2nd game and he didnt do much at all against us...so i dont see much changing now that TO is playing with a qb who cant move,again if we blitz or not the skins d will be hard to move the ball on..

Injuries?

You mean like injuries to three LBs, a DE, and CB?

You do realize that's what happened to us?

And no, you won't stop us if you don't blitz. You all can't get any pressure on the QB without blitzing. Your front four generates little pressure, and I doubt adding an average DE like Carter will help much.

And Drew can't move, but he can pass a heckuva lot better than McNabb. You'd better blitz or he'll eat you guys alive.

[5Stars]

Don't be surprised if you get swept again. If that happens, you better eat your crow.

What are you talking about! If the RedStinks get swept this coming season...YOU WILL NOT HEAR FROM THEM! That's their game, bro!

Where were all these RedStinks for the last 7 or 8 years? I'll tell you where they were....! Hiding under a freaking rock, or burying their tiny heads under some sand, or, hoping that Daddy Art will sooth their broken hearts!

They won't come around...their little chests poking out...proclaiming to be all this and that....:laugh2: they will vanish into thin air like they have been for the last 8 years!

Hey, but, them RedStinks got them 3 Lombardi's, and 2 of them are rusty as old nails...!

:dissskin:

[Bizwah]

What are you talking about! If the RedStinks get swept this coming season...YOU WILL NOT HEAR FROM THEM! That's their game, bro!

Where were all these RedStinks for the last 7 or 8 years? I'll tell you where they were....! Hiding under a freaking rock, or burying their tiny heads under some sand, or, hoping that Daddy Art will sooth their broken hearts!

They won't come around...their little chests poking out...proclaiming to be all this and that....:laugh2: they will vanish into thin air like they have been for the last 8 years!

Hey, but, them RedStinks got them 3 Lombardi's, and 2 of them are rusty as old nails...!

:dissskin:

Great post.

I've said this before. No Skins fans had the guts to show up here until they won. Kinda funny about all the Eagle fans that used to show up here too. Some have stayed.....

[rdsknsbaby]

Injuries?

You mean like injuries to three LBs, a DE, and CB?

You do realize that's what happened to us?

And no, you won't stop us if you don't blitz. You all can't get any pressure on the QB without blitzing. Your front four generates little pressure, and I doubt adding an average DE like Carter will help much.

And Drew can't move, but he can pass a heckuva lot better than McNabb. You'd better blitz or he'll eat you guys alive.


we wont have to blitz.... look at your O-line. the pressure will create itself.

[5Stars]

Great post.

I've said this before. No Skins fans had the guts to show up here until they won. Kinda funny about all the Eagle fans that used to show up here too. Some have stayed.....

Well, the only Eagle fans that hang here is that sophiscated troll...PhoneixTalon and his girlfriend...but, you got to give them respect, they were/are here all along! AND...they offer good perspective...not all this bull that the RedStinks are over here for!

But, these RedStink roaches that have come to infest the forum?

It's just a matter of time till they get dose of some Dallas Cowboy insecticide! And, just like the insects that they are? They will carry it all back to ExtremeStinks.com...where all the other roaches live...!

:dissskin:

[redskins1]

hostile,what you are saying in terms of what happen last year,and it not happening this season can apply to any team,the bottom line is based on the redskins coaching and talent,they will be a very strong team again this year,and yes good enough to sweep your cowboys again.believe it or not our d dominated both games,its just that in game one we had no offense until the last 3 min...

[Bizwah]

we wont have to blitz.... look at your O-line. the pressure will create itself.

Are you kidding?

Our OL was terrible last year because we had a rookie 6th round pick starting at RT and an UDFA Guard starting at LT.

When we had Flo, our offense was clicking on all cylinders. Yes, even with an injured RG and a rookie RT, we were playing well on offense. We are better anyway you look at it this season.

Take a look at what we have:

Flozell Adams...pro-bowler...much improved over Tucker

Kosier...not a great player, but he's been called an up-and-coming player by several NFL sources. I don't know if this is a downgrade or not, considering LA couldn't do what we asked him to do.

Al Johnson...a solid player...nothing spectacular. He'll be in his third season (his rookie year was a wash...Injured knee). He is supposedly bigger and stronger this year.

Rivera...should be much improved...he spent most of last year injured. He's been a pro-bowl guard in the past.

Fabini...Again, a solid RT....should be much better than a rookie RT...

Our OL was playing well before FLo's injury. We've improved, albeit not dramatically, since the end of the year.

And if memory serves....Your defense didn't register a single sack in our first game. You know....the game where our OL was healthy. The only reason you held us to 13 points is because we missed a gimme FG, and we KNEW you all wouldn't score much. We made the mistake of underestimating your offense. We actually moved the ball decently against your team the first game.

[Bizwah]

hostile,what you are saying in terms of what happen last year,and it not happening this season can apply to any team,the bottom line is based on the redskins coaching and talent,they will be a very strong team again this year,and yes good enough to sweep your cowboys again.believe it or not our d dominated both games,its just that in game one we had no offense until the last 3 min...

Yes, you're good enough to sweep us. You're good enough to sweep the Eagles and Giants too.

But we're good enough to sweep you....we're good enough to sweep the Giants and Eagles. Right now, all teams are pretty equal. What separated teams last year were injuries. The team that avoids injuries will be the team that wins the division.

[BLEU3ASY]

Giants

[rdsknsbaby]

again the Redskins will win the division.... and no im not saying this just to say it.... look at our team. We are the best in the NFCE... Bookmark the page.

[ghst187]

our offensive line....hopefully it won't be...."offensive"

[Future]

you know if nothing else comes from this thread, ive realized that 5Stars hates the redskins lol

[RiggoForever]

iirc Washington didn't blitz hardly any in that first game last year...I remember us being baffled but thankful.

Gregg Williams said we never play "prevent defense" and we always attack if not an allout blitz, at least the appearance of one.. He said on the final fourth down stop...Bledsoe had to throw the ball earlier then he wanted to Glenn, who was subsequently stopped short off the fourth down mark.

[RiggoForever]

I wouldn't be so sure. We had your number for Game 2. Just 2 minutes left, you guys beat us, we underestimated Santana Moss. We were the better team then.

Then, for the second game, you had everything going in your way, and we had everything going against us. We had plentiful injuries, you had few.

Don't be surprised if you get swept again. If that happens, you better eat your crow.

I don't expect a sweep either way, but I do expect a split. If you all sweep us, I won't make excuses. I didn't make excuses when Crayton caught the long TD pass last year, in a game in which we outplayed you.

A loss is a loss and a win is a win. I don't care if we get dominated in every statistical category as long as we win.

[ghst187]

again the Redskins will win the division.... and no im not saying this just to say it.... look at our team. We are the best in the NFCE... Bookmark the page.

skins magic last year was an illusion
The QB position catches up to them this year...if ST is in jail the defense won't be as solid either
Don't take for granted that Saunders' offensive scheme will fit the skins personnel either
And also remember that every team in the division got better this offseason...well the iggles could be debatable but probably a little better....

[Hostile]

again the Redskins will win the division.... and no im not saying this just to say it.... look at our team. We are the best in the NFCE... Bookmark the page.Based on what? Your opinion?

[Hostile]

hostile,what you are saying in terms of what happen last year,and it not happening this season can apply to any team,the bottom line is based on the redskins coaching and talent,they will be a very strong team again this year,and yes good enough to sweep your cowboys again.believe it or not our d dominated both games,its just that in game one we had no offense until the last 3 min...Duh.

Take a lesson from the whale, the only time he gets harpooned is when he comes up to spout. Prior to last season no one would have killed off the Eagles and look what happened. So best of luck with your spouting. Don't mind that sharp pain in your side. It's just a harpoon.

[big dog cowboy]

Duh.

Take a lesson from the whale, the only time he gets harpooned is when he comes up to spout. Prior to last season no one would have killed off the Eagles and look what happened. So best of luck with your spouting. Don't mind that sharp pain in your side. It's just a harpoon.
If I am the one in control, that sharp pain won't be in the side.

[5Stars]

you know if nothing else comes from this thread, ive realized that 5Stars hates the redskins lol

:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

:dissskin:

[GhettoxCowboy]

ok, for a start please dont dismiss them and say they are all no good because there are four talented teams in the nfc east. so....

i honestly dont know, and i would like to know who you think is the main challenger to the cowboys next season in the nfc east? and please explain why...thankyou.....

i don't know why alot of homers are dismissin, the eagles. i say the eagles, are gonna b strong contenders this year. mcnabb, will not let the team die, they will b back this year. i don't know why alot of fans think the skins, are gonna have a good year. why cause of all the players they picked up.they do the same, year after year, and they never go nowere, plain n simple the eagles, are the strongest contenders, 2 the cowboys.

[CrazyCowboy]

I would have to say the N.Y. aints

[Phoenix-Talon]

Based on most poster's lucky guesses, football logic/saavy, wishful thinking and other related mechanisms to predict the outcome of the 2006 NFC-East division, here's what it will look like ...

Dallas Cowboys
y-clinched division title
z-clinched first-round bye
*-clinched homefield advantage

New York Giants
x-clinched playoff berth

Washington Redskins

Philadelphia Eagles

From this Eagle fan's perspective, I'd be very reluctant to make the call right now. But I can't see how a fan from another franchise could possibly speak with any authority about an opponent team.

How many times have we felt that a team was so loaded up star athletes and play-makers, that they just couldn't lose, or would go
all-the-way...yet on any given Sunday; ...or due to injuries; ...or due to an unhappy key player (no names...) holding out for more millions ...

Talent-wise I thinkthe NFCE has a nice blend of veterans/rookies accross. Although that talent mixture may be disproportionate on some NFCE offensive squads/defensive squads than others.

Football Saavy Fans ...will tell you that games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage -- I believe that too. That's why before I make an educated prediction, I'd like to know what my OL is made of; including depth. On the other side of the ball, I'd like to know how effective will my DEs be in putting needed pressure on the the opponents QB.

X-Factors ... the "X" factor is an Unknown variable which could include the dreaded injuries on one end of the continuum ...to a rookie developing into a play-maker/star performer.

Historical speaking ...teams with the most SB victories/appearances should at least make the playoffs; but that didn't happen last year. On the same note, teams that were at the bottom probably remain there if all things remain unchanged -- have all things remained the same?

The Underdog concept ...the "upset," the "unexpected team" that came out of nowhere, the inspired "team that has something to prove," may all push the team at the bottom to the top of the heap. In all fairness, good that have occasional bad games also could be defined as bad that have the occasional good games ...is a formula that could work either way.

That said, 2005 was a very bad year for the Philadelphia Eagles. Technically, my team is owned by every team in the NFCE. Hence, there's No talk about the Eagles taking the NFCE, and you'll probably hear those that will tell you that our "window" has shut. How long does it take for a window to re-open (wouldn't the Cowboys know about windows opening and closing?)? Was 2005 a window shutting event, or was it a series of injuries to key players, without the benefit of having depth?

2005 has taught this Eagles fan not to be too eager to claim a victory wothout knowing how things will play out. It's taught this Eagles fan that "one" player can make a difference on a team (positive or negative), and make a significant impact on the overall season.

I think I like the way most of you have conveniently placed the Eagles on the bOttom of the NFCE challenger list. Minimum pressure, way under the radar screen, we'll take the under-rated position.

But I think many of you (not all) have made some serious misjudgements about the 2006 Eagles!

Tally Ho!;)

[Bizwah]

Based on most poster's lucky guesses, football logic/saavy, wishful thinking and other related mechanisms to predict the outcome of the 2006 NFC-East division, here's what it will look like ...

Dallas Cowboys
y-clinched division title
z-clinched first-round bye
*-clinched homefield advantage

What do you expect?

This is a Cowboy's board. Of course, there's going to be plenty of homerism.

If my daughter enters a beauty contest, I think she'll win. I think she's the most beautiful little girl on earth. Ask any other dad on this site, and I'm sure they'll say the exact same thing.

We all get excited this time of year. Right now, we know anything can happen. In today's NFL a team can go from rags to riches overnight.

If you want to hear unbiased opinions of all NFC East teams, this isn't the place to hear it. Nor will you hear it on any other fan board.

[riggo]

WR - its not a toss up between Dallas and Washington because washington doesnt have a #2 WR, instead they have 3 #3 WRs

lloyd put up solid #'s, if not spectacular, with 4 QBs who combined for 8 TDs in an entire season ( including one who didnt throw a TD pass -while throwing 11 INTs in 7 games- til his last game)-and averaged just over 110 pass yards per game. i'd say he's a solid #2.

Secondary - once again Dallas is better than Washington but other than that i agree, like said before:
Archuleta <<<< Williams
Taylor <<<< Davis or Coleman

at CB we have what could be the best CB in the league (Newman) and Henry who until his groin injury was a top5 or 10 CB in the league, with Glenn at #3 (one of the best NB in the league)

sorry but Washingtons secondary doesnt exactly compare to Dallas'

you must have mis-typed. taylor < davis or coleman?

i dont have an opinion on arch yet. but saying the skins secondary doesnt compare is a little homerific. the skins secondary is very good. dallas' should be good as well this year. brunell put up nice #s vs dallas secondary.....

[Bizwah]

lloyd put up solid #'s, if not spectacular, with 4 QBs who combined for 8 TDs in an entire season ( including one who didnt throw a TD pass -while throwing 11 INTs in 7 games- til his last game)-and averaged just over 110 pass yards per game. i'd say he's a solid #2.



you must have mis-typed. taylor < davis or coleman?

i dont have an opinion on arch yet. but saying the skins secondary doesnt compare is a little homerific. the skins secondary is very good. dallas' should be good as well this year. brunell put up nice #s vs dallas secondary.....

The Skins secondary is very good.....Ours is simply better.

Again, I'll try to be objective here...we're better at 3 of the 4 secondary positions.

Newman is better than Springs
Henry is better than Rogers
Williams is better than Archuletta

The only spot you have on us is Taylor over Coleman/Watkins/Davis. Our 3rd CB (Glenn) is pretty darn good too.

Again, both of us have good secondaries......And although Brunell had decent numbers...take a closer look. He lucked out in the first game with two miscommunications in the secondary....until those two plays, Brunell was having a pathetic outing. In the second game, we were beat up all over with injuries.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.

[Jarv]

The Skins secondary is very good.....Ours is simply better.

Again, I'll try to be objective here...we're better at 3 of the 4 secondary positions.

Newman is better than Springs
Henry is better than Rogers
Williams is better than Archuletta

The only spot you have on us is Taylor over Coleman/Watkins/Davis. Our 3rd CB (Glenn) is pretty darn good too.

Again, both of us have good secondaries......And although Brunell had decent numbers...take a closer look. He lucked out in the first game with two miscommunications in the secondary....until those two plays, Brunell was having a pathetic outing. In the second game, we were beat up all over with injuries.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.

That sounds fair to me, of course the book isn't finished on wether or not Taylor will play next year.

[RiggoForever]

That sounds fair to me, of course the book isn't finished on wether or not Taylor will play next year.

I'd be surprised if either team scores over 20 in each game, despite the additional talent on the offensive side of the ball for both teams.

If ST goes to jail, I won't lie and say it won't hurt. ST can do things others can't. But thus far from what I've heard, I'd be surprised if he's found guilty as the evidence and credibility of the witnesses is shaky to say the least.

[RiggoForever]

The Skins secondary is very good.....Ours is simply better.

Again, I'll try to be objective here...we're better at 3 of the 4 secondary positions.

Newman is better than Springs
Henry is better than Rogers
Williams is better than Archuletta

The only spot you have on us is Taylor over Coleman/Watkins/Davis. Our 3rd CB (Glenn) is pretty darn good too.

Again, both of us have good secondaries......And although Brunell had decent numbers...take a closer look. He lucked out in the first game with two miscommunications in the secondary....until those two plays, Brunell was having a pathetic outing. In the second game, we were beat up all over with injuries.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.


Well big plays often happen with miscommunications in the secondary. That's how Glenn torched us on the flea flicker. We bit.

[stasheroo]

Based on most poster's lucky guesses, football logic/saavy, wishful thinking and other related mechanisms to predict the outcome of the 2006 NFC-East division, here's what it will look like ...

Dallas Cowboys
y-clinched division title
z-clinched first-round bye
*-clinched homefield advantage

New York Giants
x-clinched playoff berth

Washington Redskins

Philadelphia Eagles

From this Eagle fan's perspective, I'd be very reluctant to make the call right now. But I can't see how a fan from another franchise could possibly speak with any authority about an opponent team.

How many times have we felt that a team was so loaded up star athletes and play-makers, that they just couldn't lose, or would go
all-the-way...yet on any given Sunday; ...or due to injuries; ...or due to an unhappy key player (no names...) holding out for more millions ...

Talent-wise I thinkthe NFCE has a nice blend of veterans/rookies accross. Although that talent mixture may be disproportionate on some NFCE offensive squads/defensive squads than others.

Football Saavy Fans ...will tell you that games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage -- I believe that too. That's why before I make an educated prediction, I'd like to know what my OL is made of; including depth. On the other side of the ball, I'd like to know how effective will my DEs be in putting needed pressure on the the opponents QB.

X-Factors ... the "X" factor is an Unknown variable which could include the dreaded injuries on one end of the continuum ...to a rookie developing into a play-maker/star performer.

Historical speaking ...teams with the most SB victories/appearances should at least make the playoffs; but that didn't happen last year. On the same note, teams that were at the bottom probably remain there if all things remain unchanged -- have all things remained the same?

The Underdog concept ...the "upset," the "unexpected team" that came out of nowhere, the inspired "team that has something to prove," may all push the team at the bottom to the top of the heap. In all fairness, good that have occasional bad games also could be defined as bad that have the occasional good games ...is a formula that could work either way.

That said, 2005 was a very bad year for the Philadelphia Eagles. Technically, my team is owned by every team in the NFCE. Hence, there's No talk about the Eagles taking the NFCE, and you'll probably hear those that will tell you that our "window" has shut. How long does it take for a window to re-open (wouldn't the Cowboys know about windows opening and closing?)? Was 2005 a window shutting event, or was it a series of injuries to key players, without the benefit of having depth?

2005 has taught this Eagles fan not to be too eager to claim a victory wothout knowing how things will play out. It's taught this Eagles fan that "one" player can make a difference on a team (positive or negative), and make a significant impact on the overall season.

I think I like the way most of you have conveniently placed the Eagles on the bOttom of the NFCE challenger list. Minimum pressure, way under the radar screen, we'll take the under-rated position.

But I think many of you (not all) have made some serious misjudgements about the 2006 Eagles!

Tally Ho!;)

Seems to me it's you who's made the misjudgement by i trying to ignore the fact that your team was the best of a terrible NFC. Your Eagles never beat any team who could be considered any good. When they did meet a quality team they lost - every time. They cruised through a pathetic NFC East for several years. And now that the rest of the division has passed them by, the "free ride" is over.

The Eagles had their opportunity to win a championship but squandered it. In the annals of football history, they're not even the Buffalo Bills.

:trophy:

[riggo]

The Skins secondary is very good.....Ours is simply better.

Again, I'll try to be objective here...we're better at 3 of the 4 secondary positions.

Newman is better than Springs
Henry is better than Rogers
Williams is better than Archuletta

The only spot you have on us is Taylor over Coleman/Watkins/Davis. Our 3rd CB (Glenn) is pretty darn good too.

Again, both of us have good secondaries......And although Brunell had decent numbers...take a closer look. He lucked out in the first game with two miscommunications in the secondary....until those two plays, Brunell was having a pathetic outing. In the second game, we were beat up all over with injuries.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.

at least youre not saying davis/coleman are better than taylor. rogers was a rookie last year. he may be better than henry this year- he looks good. can't say much about glenn- in his games vs the skins, he was not impressive.

brunells numbers were a little better than decent- 6 TD's, 1 INT. bledsoes 2 TD's (one on a trick play- yes, it counts- just like brunells 2 'lucky' passes due to 'miscommunication' count- but when youre talking about QB performance, you dont hang your hat on it, and one in gargage time after brunell and the skins had built a 35-0 lead) and 3 INT's dont look so good if we're comparing our teams secondarys.

i have a serious question- you brought up cowboys injuries. i know your entire secondary- the one that doesnt even compare to the skins according to one poster- played that second game. who else was hurt? here's the link to the line up-

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20051218_DAL@WAS

[stasheroo]

I'm surprised that NFL.com listed Henry as the starter. He didn't play much after his injury. If he in fact did play that game it probably wasn't much. And if he was on the field, he was a shell of the player that started the season.

I think at some point they tried to get him back on the field but to no avail. This may have been the game.

[riggo]

I'm surprised that NFL.com listed Henry as the starter. He didn't play much after his injury. If he in fact did play that game it probably wasn't much. And if he was on the field, he was a shell of the player that started the season.

I think at some point they tried to get him back on the field but to no avail. This may have been the game.

the link may be incorrect. they have the skins prioleau listed as a LB :)

interesting that rogers didnt play that day. and clark and harris weren't considered good enough to keep- they were both let go. still, even with those 'scrubs', the skins secondary was outstanding...imagine how they'll be with better players this year.

[stilltheguru]

at least youre not saying davis/coleman are better than taylor. rogers was a rookie last year. he may be better than henry this year- he looks good. can't say much about glenn- in his games vs the skins, he was not impressive.

brunells numbers were a little better than decent- 6 TD's, 1 INT. bledsoes 2 TD's (one on a trick play- yes, it counts- just like brunells 2 'lucky' passes due to 'miscommunication' count- but when youre talking about QB performance, you dont hang your hat on it, and one in gargage time after brunell and the skins had built a 35-0 lead) and 3 INT's dont look so good if we're comparing our teams secondarys.

i have a serious question- you brought up cowboys injuries. i know your entire secondary- the one that doesnt even compare to the skins according to one poster- played that second game. who else was hurt? here's the link to the line up-

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20051218_DAL@WAS



judging a players just based on his games against your team is the great way of analyzing him.tsk tsk tsk

[stilltheguru]

the link may be incorrect. they have the skins prioleau listed as a LB :)

interesting that rogers didnt play that day. and clark and harris weren't considered good enough to keep- they were both let go. still, even with those 'scrubs', the skins secondary was outstanding...imagine how they'll be with better players this year.


a secondary seems to look outstanding when the qb has little to no time in the pocket.but heyyyyyyyyyy

[riggo]

judging a players just based on his games against your team is the great way of analyzing him.tsk tsk tsk

bizwah and i were actually talking specifically about brunells performance vs the cowboys secondary.

you should have read before you posted. tsk tsk....

[riggo]

a secondary seems to look outstanding when the qb has little to no time in the pocket.but heyyyyyyyyyy

again, we were talking about the boys D being banged up- not their O line.

please read.

[stilltheguru]

glenn just is not fast enough for moss.moss has unique speed that only a few people have.if u really looked at the games and have a feel of how to rate a cb you would see that glenn was there most of the time on moss but moss just separated at the last moment.

so to say glenn was not impressive is weak.moss is just that good on deep balls.


but dont worry, when we put newman on moss its a WRAP.

[stilltheguru]

again, we were talking about the boys D being banged up- not their O line.

please read.


you said the skins secondary looked outstanding and i said why they looked outstanding.because our o line gave us no time.so yes i did read that.:D

[stasheroo]

the link may be incorrect. they have the skins prioleau listed as a LB :)

interesting that rogers didnt play that day. and clark and harris weren't considered good enough to keep- they were both let go. still, even with those 'scrubs', the skins secondary was outstanding...imagine how they'll be with better players this year.

Doesn't hurt the 'Skins secondary when the real "scrubs" were playing at tackle for the Cowboys. Pretty pathetic when a mediocre defensive end like Philip Daniels gets 4 sacks.

When Dallas' offensive line was healthy and whole, the Redskins couldn't get close enough to Drew Bledsoe to positively identify him.

[stasheroo]

glenn just is not fast enough for moss.moss has unique speed that only a few people have.if u really looked at the games and have a feel of how to rate a cb you would see that glenn was there most of the time on moss but moss just separated at the last moment.

so to say glenn was not impressive is weak.moss is just that good on deep balls.


but dont worry, when we put newman on moss its a WRAP.

Looking at game tape, the only time Moss did anything was when they schemed to get him away from Terrance Newman. I give them credit for seeing that and adjusting to it. The fact is that after the first catch, Dallas should have readjusted to it.

[riggo]

glenn just is not fast enough for moss.moss has unique speed that only a few people have.if u really looked at the games and have a feel of how to rate a cb you would see that glenn was there most of the time on moss but moss just separated at the last moment.

so to say glenn was not impressive is weak.moss is just that good on deep balls.


but dont worry, when we put newman on moss its a WRAP.

well, glenn/williams got beat twice on deep balls with a 13/6 point lead in the closing minutes of a game. and he got beat by moss for a 42 yarder in game 2.

you want me to say he was impressive?

[AsthmaField]

interesting that rogers didnt play that day. and clark and harris weren't considered good enough to keep- they were both let go. still, even with those 'scrubs', the skins secondary was outstanding...imagine how they'll be with better players this year.

Comparing the secondaries in that game is useless. It was simply one of those games and nothing about it is indicative of how those players normally play. Just like the Giants game that the Skins were blown out in isn't indicative of anything.

Look at the whole season to get an idea of what type of players are on each team. What did Newman do all year? What did Springs do all year? We know they both played very well all year long. However... looking at just the second game we played against each other last year, you'd think that Springs and Rogers are worlds better than Newman and Henry. However ask any NFL coach or scout and he'd tell you that isn't the case.

Newman and Henry are very good corners. Springs and Rogers are good too. Who's the best is a matter of opinion, and I think our guys are better than your's. I could be wrong... but either way both Dallas and Washington have some good players in the secondary.

[RiggoForever]

Comparing the secondaries in that game is useless. It was simply one of those games and nothing about it is indicative of how those players normally play. Just like the Giants game that the Skins were blown out in isn't indicative of anything.

Look at the whole season to get an idea of what type of players are on each team. What did Newman do all year? What did Springs do all year? We know they both played very well all year long. However... looking at just the second game we played against each other last year, you'd think that Springs and Rogers are worlds better than Newman and Henry. However ask any NFL coach or scout and he'd tell you that isn't the case.

Newman and Henry are very good corners. Springs and Rogers are good too. Who's the best is a matter of opinion, and I think our guys are better than your's. I could be wrong... but either way both Dallas and Washington have some good players in the secondary.

Actually I believe we attacked the LB corps in the second game. I didn't see any really big plays against Newman or Henry, the big catch by Moss came against Glenn.

Gibbs did a really good job of identifying the soft spots of the Dallas defense and attacking them. For example, Cooley beating Demarcus Ware for a touchdown...attacking an inexperienced rookie playing the 3-4 scheme.

The secondary, particularly Newman and Henry, are not soft spots.

If Dallas' LB corps improve, and they should with Ayodele and Carpenter, I expect the game to be very difficult.

[Bob Sacamano]

unless eli makes a huge leap, the giants aren't going to be scoring that many points....

they scored alot of points last year, IMO, Eli gets a bit better this year, he's a Manning, so I think they'll be scoring in bunches again, except when they play against us :)

[superpunk]

they scored alot of points last year, IMO, Eli gets a bit better this year, he's a Manning, so I think they'll be scoring in bunches again, except when they play against us :)

I'm telling newaged.....

[Bob Sacamano]

the addition of Sam Madison that does not get enough credit, this guy is a very good corner.


Madison USED to be a very good corner, he's been getting burnt for a couple of years now

[Bob Sacamano]

Questions with the Skins O-line?! That's news to me.

T - Samuels and Jansen are 2 of the 10 best in the league
G - Thomas is a top 5 guard and Dockery is solid at the least
C - Rabach is average but is still the best C in the East

I agree with everything, but Dockery sucks!

[Bob Sacamano]

Explain where Dallas is deeper then Washington at any other position besides linebacker.

uh, Dline, CB, S, RB, plus LB

[Bob Sacamano]

you again with your clever redstink comment. Theres a reason hes a fan fav. and thats cuz he produces with the few carries he does get, including that great game he had against St Louis last season(and yes i know st louis was horrible last year).

but he's not good for 500 yards and 6 TDs

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok, I'll concede you may be deeper on OL, because Petitti (though not good) got in a full season last year, but someone like Adams isn't really replaceable...just like Jansen and Samuels aren't replaceable on our line. However we do have Jim Molinaro, and we did sign Mike Pucillo and Tyson Walter for depth. I don't see either team having a legitimate starter ready to come in if theres an OL injury.

For RB we have Ladell Betts ( a solid player who spells Portis). We also have Rock Cartwright (who had a 100 yard game last year), and a couple of others battling to make the team in training camp.

On the DL we didn't lose anyone from last year, we signed Andre Carter...drafted a DT, have Reynaldo Wynn (a starter last year), and Demetric Evans as backups with Carter, Salave'a, Griffin, and Daniels as the starters.

just because you have bodies, doesn't necessarily make them the type of depth we're talking about...good depth, I'll give you that you have good RB depth, but that's it

why can't you guys admit that you're one of the thinnest teams in the NFL, if not THE thinnest team, in terms of depth?

[Bob Sacamano]

5Stars, RiggoForever probably meant that our OL would take a downward spiral if Adams was injured. That happened, didn't it? Adams is really important to our OL, if he gets injured, it won't be easy to replace him and still have a solid OL.

I think with Fabini's ability to play LT and Pettiti may being the starting RT anyways, we should be fine if FLo goes down, at the very least we won't be like last year

[Bob Sacamano]

I thought Kevin Jones ran a slower 40 than people thouht he would of at his combine. wasnt it something like 4.45?? i really dont think he ran it at 4.2

Kevin Jones actually ran his 40 in the 4.6s

[Bob Sacamano]

Fauria Blocking...

WATCH OUT!

I'm not too worried about Brunell going down because i honestly believe that Campbell can take over, and take over well.

*COUGH* unrealistic *COUGH* homer *COUGH* *COUGH*

Our D will be very scary with Archuletta and Taylor waiting for guys to come up the middle, which will take alot off of Springs, Rogers, and Morton. our D-line when healthy can run with the best, especially now (assuming Carter gels) with our new pass rushers. i think that the Redskins will be the team to beat in the NFCE.

I've never seen such unbridled homerism before

[Bob Sacamano]

QB: I'll say Washington...everybody behind Brunell and Bledsoe is unproven, but Collins is a veteran and has experience in Al Saunders offense. Campbell won't be used unless he wins the 2nd spot in camp.

that would be a push

RB: Washington (We use 3 in our rotation, Betts has speed and has returned kickoffs for TDs, and is a pass catching threat coming out of the backfield.

I'd give the advantage to Dallas, MBIII ran for 500+ yards and 6 TDs last year, that's about what Betts and Cartwright did together

WR: Washington (4 proven receivers in Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, and Patten). Cowboys only have 2 legitimate threats, though Crayton may prove himself this year if he can avoid injury.

despite missing 8 games, Crayton had almost the exact stat line of Randle-El, and Glenn over Lloyd, I'd give the advantage to Dallas

DE: Redskins have Carter/Daniels/Wynn/Evans depending on whether its a running or passing situation. Dallas has Spears/Canty/Ellis/Hatcher. I'll say even.

we also have Jay Ratliff, advantage Dallas

DT: I'll say N/A because the 3-4 only has one interior lineman.

LB: Dallas is deeper with Ware/Ayodele/James/Carpenter and Burnett/Shanle etc being able backups. Skins have great players in Marshall and Washington, but have a training camp battle with McIntosh and a couple other players for the WLB position. The WLB position won't be handed to McIntosh.

Lemar Marshall is great?

[Bob Sacamano]

i think he will play for dallas for a long time, but he doesnt scare me.

just like Lloyd doesn't scare us, and he never beat us

[Bob Sacamano]

Portis, who is now the teams all time leading rusher.

that's sad

[RiggoForever]

that's sad

He's not the all time leading rusher. He's the single season leading rusher.

[Bob Sacamano]

but saying the skins secondary doesnt compare is a little homerific. the skins secondary is very good. dallas' should be good as well this year. brunell put up nice #s vs dallas secondary.....

uh, you don't have a CB like Newman, a nickel corner like Glenn, a 4th corner like Jacque Reeves, dont' have a SS like ROy Williams

you have a better FS, that's it

[Bob Sacamano]

he may be better than henry this year

doubt it

can't say much about glenn- in his games vs the skins, he was not impressive.

what? corners can't have a bad game now and then? he won a couple for us, haven't seen anyone in your secondary do that

[superpunk]

what? corners can't have a bad game now and then? he won a couple for us, haven't seen anyone in your secondary do that

One sweep - and a single game (or play) is indicative of how a player played the entire year.

Sean Taylor can't cover to save his life, I guess.:rolleyes:

Someday skins fans will realize that the season is 16 games long - and even though Dallas is their biggest game (particularly because they had to deal with getting pwnt for years) players are judged on the entire season - not a two game sample.

Jeez....