Rivera Sighting [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Eskimo

05-21-2006, 09:20 AM

Don't put blame on Rivera here. He is just out having some fun in the offseason which is the right time to do these things so long as you are doing your conditioning.

Blame JJ and BP for giving such a big conract to an old OL whose body was falling apart before we signed him. I will be quite surprised if he can play through the season and even more surprised if he is effective.

Glenn Carano

05-21-2006, 09:25 AM

Well his back must be better he made the Las Vegas paper as a sighting at some parties, glad we still have our priorities straight, at least it didn't mention TO being there too....

:rolleyes: Heaven forbid these guys have a life outside of football. Add another to the long list of ridiculous threads that get started this time of year.

WilmingtonHeel

05-21-2006, 09:38 AM

J-DOG

05-21-2006, 10:03 AM

skinsscalper

05-21-2006, 10:35 AM

And by the way he played hurt all year and didn't once complain or made excuses and yes you forgot he offered to give the money back last year when he found out he needed surgery. But his back by all reports is doing alot better

This is the amazing fact that a lot of Cowboys fans seem to forget about Rivera. He WANTS to be worth every penny he was given. I have no doubt that his determination this year will be unmatched. This guy is the farthest thing from a slouch that you can come up with. Though soume may say that the odds are against it, it wouldn't surprise mea bit to see this guy return to a very solid, and possible All Pro caliber of player. He's heard the things that fans and the media have been saying, and I think it gives him a little bit of a chip on his shoulder.

I keep hearing about the concerns for his age, and to an extent that can be founded. But, this isn't some RB we're talking about. He's an offensive guard. The shelf life on a good one is light years longer than the average player.

SS

aznhalf

05-21-2006, 10:37 AM

I hear that sometimes the players take time off to eat and sleep. Stupid players need to get their priorities straight.

superpunk

05-21-2006, 10:40 AM

I hear that sometimes the players take time off to eat and sleep. Stupid players need to get their priorities straight.

Last week Bobby Carpenter was spotted coming out of the rest room.

Someone needs to rein this guy in.

burmafrd

05-21-2006, 10:48 AM

What is it with some people having such a cow about someone relaxing and enjoying themselves?

VoR

05-21-2006, 10:54 AM

Hell,
nobody eats, breathes and lives football 24-7.

Parcells is close, but even he goes to baseball games and horse races.

Maybe the person questioning Rivera should live their job year round - no vacation, no stress relief , no nothing - JUST WORK.....:rolleyes:

skinsscalper

05-21-2006, 11:02 AM

It reminds me of the scene in the movie Fever Pitch when the Red Sox had just lost a game (maybe a playoff game) and the core characters are in a restaurant/bar lamenting the loss and they notice some of the Red Sox players in the corner eating dinner and having a couple of laughs.

The guys were beside themselves. They couldn't beleive that the players actually found the time to ...well..I guess have a life after a demoralizing loss. That's when the bell went off and the lead character came to realize that there's more to life than a child's game.

Some fans just put WAY too much into this whole thing. And, to be honest, sometimes I'm one of them. A reality check is good thing every once in a while.

SS

adbutcher

05-21-2006, 11:18 AM

Last week Bobby Carpenter was spotted coming out of the rest room.

Someone needs to rein this guy in.
:laugh1:

Jarv

05-21-2006, 11:19 AM

Shaun

05-21-2006, 11:33 AM

This is upsetting. Rivera should should be watching game film as he rehabs his back.

Hostile

05-21-2006, 02:58 PM

Unless Rivera is doing belly-flops from the balcony of the hotel into the pool I really don't care about him being seen at a party.
Rivera, from everything I have seen and heard sounds like a responsible pro's pro.What's wrong with doing belly flops from the balcony of the hotel into the pool?

big dog cowboy

05-21-2006, 03:10 PM

What's wrong with doing belly flops from the balcony of the hotel into the pool?
Depends on who is already in the pool......... :D

AbeBeta

05-21-2006, 03:20 PM

This is upsetting. Rivera should should be watching game film as he rehabs his back.

Do you work 120 hours a week? I'm guessing Rivera doesn't either.

Rivera has a reputation as one of the most professional and hardest working linemen in the game. His film study habits were one thing that were mentioned in his signing press conference. I believe he noted that he was committed to teaching the young guys how to study and approach the game -- and we've heard (almost) firsthand that Rivera has been great with the young guys in this aspect.

To even suggest that he isn't working is just plain stupid. It goes against everything that folks around the league know about the guy.

koolaid

05-21-2006, 03:26 PM

i really dont care what these guys do in the offseason (especially TO) as long as they perform on the field

Star Struck

05-21-2006, 03:37 PM

As long as he's prepared and fulfills his obligations to the team, I am not that concerned about him relaxing on his own time. I didn't see any police reports on him, so I'm fine with it...

justbob

05-21-2006, 03:37 PM

Depends on who is already in the pool......... :D

Really depends on if there is water in the pool---:lmao:

rexrobinson

05-21-2006, 03:52 PM

Unless Rivera is doing belly-flops from the balcony of the hotel into the pool I really don't care about him being seen at a party.
Rivera, from everything I have seen and heard sounds like a responsible pro's pro.

I wonder what kind of splash he could make...300 pounder from a 3rd floor balcony! HOLY MOLY!

yeah I bet he gets a 10.0 for that splash!

well the Russian judge would give him a 9.9 of course.

Shaun

05-21-2006, 11:39 PM

Do you work 120 hours a week? I'm guessing Rivera doesn't either.

Rivera has a reputation as one of the most professional and hardest working linemen in the game. His film study habits were one thing that were mentioned in his signing press conference. I believe he noted that he was committed to teaching the young guys how to study and approach the game -- and we've heard (almost) firsthand that Rivera has been great with the young guys in this aspect.

To even suggest that he isn't working is just plain stupid. It goes against everything that folks around the league know about the guy.

I thought my post was ridiculous enough that my sarcasm would have been caught. I don't really care what these guys do in their personal life and especially the offseason.

burmafrd

05-22-2006, 06:05 AM

When trying for sarcasm one must remember that there are quite a few out there that would post the same thing and mean it.

Eddie

05-22-2006, 08:40 AM

you forgot he offered to give the money back last year when he found out he needed surgery.

No, that's actually an internet rumor and something started by the media.

He never offered to give the money back. Don't buy into it.

Doomsday101

05-22-2006, 08:49 AM

No, that's actually an internet rumor and something started by the media.

He never offered to give the money back. Don't buy into it.

It was not an internet rumor he offered to tear up the contract and return the 9 million bonus.

AbeBeta

05-22-2006, 09:29 AM

I thought my post was ridiculous enough that my sarcasm would have been caught. I don't really care what these guys do in their personal life and especially the offseason.

my bad -- there were so many stupid folks posting in this thread that I missed your sarcasm and lumped you in with them

AbeBeta

05-22-2006, 09:33 AM

It was not an internet rumor he offered to tear up the contract and return the 9 million bonus.

I found that kind of hollow. Nice gesture but his agent would lose his license if he let him do it and the NFLPA would have fought him all the way. That is the risk a team takes when they sign a free agent.

burmafrd

05-22-2006, 09:34 AM

He did say it- according to Jerry.
Eddie, really you are getting to be a broken record- and boring.

HTownCowboysFan

05-22-2006, 09:37 AM

Its the off season. Perfect time for guys to relax and be human.

No "you-know-what." These people have a life too. Geez....

Doomsday101

05-22-2006, 09:39 AM

I found that kind of hollow. Nice gesture but his agent would lose his license if he let him do it and the NFLPA would have fought him all the way. That is the risk a team takes when they sign a free agent.

It would not cause his agent to lose his lincense. It was the player going to the team not the other way around. Had Dallas insisted on getting the money back the NFLPA would have something to say.

JackMagist

05-22-2006, 09:40 AM

He did say it- according to Jerry.
Eddie, really you are getting to be a broken record- and boring.As bad as I hate to side with Eddie (it's bad for one's reputation) there was a report that he never said it to Jerry. He did mention to the equipment manager that he was thinking about it but he never actually made the offer to Jerry. And I don't recall a quote from Jerry stating that he had received the offer. It was not entirely an internet rumor; it was an actual occurrence that was blown out of proportions and the facts were embellished or twisted.

burmafrd

05-22-2006, 09:43 AM

Jerry DID say that Rivera called and offered- he said that like 1 or 2 days after Rivera got the injury. It was NOT an internet thing.

WoodysGirl

05-22-2006, 09:55 AM

Just a little clarification...Carry-on fellas. :)

Rivera on refund

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25850&highlight=jerry+rivera

Not long after he had signed his contract Rivera was working out on a treadmill when he experienced pain in his back only those who have dealt with a herniated disk could comprehend.

Surgery was prescribed. It was that or retirement.

But that wasn't the the dilemma that troubled Rivera. He was more concerned with the $9 million he had received as a signing bonus. It was his to keep even if he never played a down for Dallas. He offered to return it.

"It wasn't right for me to keep the money," he told Fort Worth Star-Telegram columnist Randy Galloway. "I wouldn't be able to live with myself, just hanging around, collecting a paycheck."

Jerry on Rivera comments

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22532&highlight=jerry+rivera

KAPALUA, Hawaii – If reports are true that free-agent guard Marco Rivera is offering to return his $9 million signing bonus because of an off-season injury to his back, it's news to the Cowboys.

"We haven't had any conversations about that," Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Thursday at the annual NFL owners meeting.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22521&highlight=jerry+rivera

Seven

05-22-2006, 09:56 AM

Jerry DID say that Rivera called and offered- he said that like 1 or 2 days after Rivera got the injury. It was NOT an internet thing.
link? Last I heard the offer was made at the trainers level and got to JJ via the rumor mill...........no?

Edit : Posted before I read WG's response......sorry WG.

JackMagist

05-22-2006, 09:58 AM

Just a little clarification...Carry-on fellas. :)

Rivera on refundThanks WG...that is they way I remember it as well.

burmafrd

05-22-2006, 10:00 AM

I really remember Jerry saying that he talked to Rivera about it- but maybe my memory is wrong.

Eddie

05-22-2006, 10:17 AM

He did say it- according to Jerry.
Eddie, really you are getting to be a broken record- and boring.

I may sound boring, but if the truth bores you ... then have it your way.

It's easy to try and shut someone up when you don't agree with him. But facts are facts ... it was NEVER an official agreement to tear up the contract.

That only happened in the fantasy dreams of Cowboy fans who live in Cowboyland.

AbeBeta

05-22-2006, 10:37 AM

It would not cause his agent to lose his lincense. It was the player going to the team not the other way around. Had Dallas insisted on getting the money back the NFLPA would have something to say.

I think NFLPA has something to say either way.

This isn't a player walking away from a deal b/c he doesn't want to play anymore. It would have been a guy giving a refund b/c of a legit injury. A good agent doesn't let his clients do stupid stuff like that. A signing bonus in guaranteed money - you just don't give that back.

CrazyCowboy

05-22-2006, 12:40 PM

He is just having a little fun spending that signing bonus!

BigDFan5

05-22-2006, 01:39 PM

I may sound boring, but if the truth bores you ... then have it your way.

It's easy to try and shut someone up when you don't agree with him. But facts are facts ... it was NEVER an official agreement to tear up the contract.

That only happened in the fantasy dreams of Cowboy fans who live in Cowboyland.

He never offered to give the money back. Don't buy into it.

Nice 180 there Eddie

Eddie

05-22-2006, 02:37 PM

Nice 180 there Eddie

Man, you give me alot more credit than I deserve. I must be getting good at this. :laugh2:

BigDFan5

05-22-2006, 02:38 PM

Man, you give me alot more credit than I deserve. I must be getting good at this. :laugh2:

Well you said 2 different things bud LOL

Qwickdraw

05-22-2006, 02:39 PM

How is this an update?

He played football last year, ya know...

I hardly think a party is as demanding on his injured back as taking on NFL DTs was.

Eddie

05-22-2006, 02:39 PM

Well you said 2 different things bud LOL

Wasn't my intention. But if so, I must be a pretty good politician and not even know it ...

iceberg

05-22-2006, 02:44 PM

Well you said 2 different things bud LOL

depends. you're assuming eddie was talking in both official and non-official terms when he said he never offered to return it. if you wanna cut someone NO SLACK sure, then you may have a point.

however, if eddie was meaning in an official capacity then he's right and this side fishing trip won't change that.

BigDFan5

05-22-2006, 03:35 PM

depends. you're assuming eddie was talking in both official and non-official terms when he said he never offered to return it. if you wanna cut someone NO SLACK sure, then you may have a point.

however, if eddie was meaning in an official capacity then he's right and this side fishing trip won't change that.

I just took it as I read it, the first quote said "it never happened" and it was a rumor. I take that as meaning he never offered (never happened) and it was made up (internet rumor).

The second post he said "it was NEVER an official agreement' Now reading that seems he is saying that Rivera DID offer to give the money back but it was never official. He backed off the never happened statement. Thats all.

iceberg

05-22-2006, 03:48 PM

I just took it as I read it, the first quote said "it never happened" and it was a rumor. I take that as meaning he never offered (never happened) and it was made up (internet rumor).

The second post he said "it was NEVER an official agreement' Now reading that seems he is saying that Rivera DID offer to give the money back but it was never official. He backed off the never happened statement. Thats all.

most people take things as they read it. sometimes that's how it was meant, sometimes not. but it's usually the starting place of most arguments when in the end that's not what was really being said/intended/meant.

sorry - not trying to stir stuff up. this time. : )

BigDFan5

05-22-2006, 04:17 PM

most people take things as they read it. sometimes that's how it was meant, sometimes not. but it's usually the starting place of most arguments when in the end that's not what was really being said/intended/meant.

sorry - not trying to stir stuff up. this time. : )

I took it as I read it and explained why.

What else could "It never happened, was internet rumor" meant?

What else could have "it was never an official agreement" meant?

Both sentences have very important words in there. Sentence one says never, This obviously is intended to state that the whole thing was made up (internet rumor) and it never happened.

Now the keywords of the second sentence is official agreement. Now in order not to have an official agreement, or to say there was no agreement, you must first recognize the fact that the offer was real, therefore it could not have never happened and was not an internet rumor. Now of course there was never an official agreement because the offer was menioned to the trainer, and Jerry Jones said it was not made to him. But in order to even infer there was no official agreement you must resign yourself to the fact that it did indeed happen, therefore never was incorrect and a different stance than official agreement.

I hope this clears things up and please forgive my overuse of bolds lol

iceberg

05-22-2006, 04:39 PM

BigDFan5

05-22-2006, 04:46 PM

if he took the time to emphasize the word "official" on the 2nd one, it's NOT hard to fathom that's what was implied the 1st time around, or the POV of when said.

like i said, just cause you read it one way doesn't mean it was written that way.

Like I said I can only read what is written I refuse to try and read things into it, and leave myself open for criticism. When you read the 2 different posts did you think they both meant the same thing? Did you feel it never happened and was a rumor, was the same as never an official agreement? Als notice Eddie did not put up any kind of argument when I said they were different things.

superpunk

05-22-2006, 04:50 PM

http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/2828/needsmoreseizure0hx.gif

WoodysGirl

05-22-2006, 05:00 PM

...Just blind everybody, SP.... Dang. :banghead:

superpunk

05-22-2006, 05:02 PM

Just blind everybody, SP.... Dang. :banghead:

If it puts an end to semantic hour - so be it. Someone will lose their sight.:D

trickblue

05-22-2006, 05:05 PM

No, that's actually an internet rumor and something started by the media.

He never offered to give the money back. Don't buy into it.
From 06/15/2005:

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=399998&postcount=1
Rivera:
LA only took 3 snaps at RT in practice.
If BP wants LA to move I would love to have him on my side.
If anyone can make the transition, LA can.
3 guys are looking really good at RT... Voller, Rogers and Tucker.
Rogers has a really good grasp of the offense and is a very smart player.
You only have to tell Rogers one time and he gets it.
Vollers is very athletic and very smart but a little light.
Tucker is the most athletic, but is playing without confidence. He is working VERY hard and is unbelievably strong. He can be a big-time player if he plays with confidence.
I feel like a Dallas Cowboy. I am there every day, running and lifting. Working out and joking with them.
I had the opportunity to go elsewhere, but this is the place I wanted to play, to be a Cowboy.
BP is old school and I like that style.
Yes, I did offer to give back the signing bonus. I felt it was the right thing to do.
The back feels as if nothing ever happened. I feel great. No pain whatsoever.
Jerry said he was with me 100% of the way... he said "you are one of us"... just get well.
Favre has had a rough two years, but he is one of the few that can come back as he is very mentally tough.

iceberg

05-22-2006, 05:06 PM

nevermind big5 - like i said, not trying to start anything and if you don't get what i mean, i'll move on.

BigDFan5

05-22-2006, 06:41 PM

nevermind big5 - like i said, not trying to start anything and if you don't get what i mean, i'll move on.

i dont think you were astarting anything, just trying to figure out what you were saying

BLEU3ASY

05-22-2006, 07:12 PM

Last week Bobby Carpenter was spotted coming out of the rest room.

Someone needs to rein this guy in.

LOL!!!!

Eddie

05-23-2006, 07:32 AM

I just took it as I read it, the first quote said "it never happened" and it was a rumor. I take that as meaning he never offered (never happened) and it was made up (internet rumor).

The second post he said "it was NEVER an official agreement' Now reading that seems he is saying that Rivera DID offer to give the money back but it was never official. He backed off the never happened statement. Thats all.

BigD, nitpicking words isn't going to help your cause.

I bet you "think" about quitting your job all the time. I bet you even tell your wife and friends about it.

But unless you OFFICIALLY do it ... it never happened.

End of story.

If you're going to nitpick words, be careful of your own.

BARRYRAY

05-23-2006, 10:14 AM

Wonder if Jerry still loads up the coaches and does LV, up til at least the last couple of years he would take them on the jet to LV for the weekend,all the coaches got chips and he picked up the rfb for everybody, its sometime around now before the minicamps/training camp gets started, anybody still tracking the plane....

BigDFan5

05-23-2006, 11:26 AM

BigD, nitpicking words isn't going to help your cause.

I bet you "think" about quitting your job all the time. I bet you even tell your wife and friends about it.

But unless you OFFICIALLY do it ... it never happened.

End of story.

If you're going to nitpick words, be careful of your own.

Actually I did quit my job to go back to college and get a degree, If you didn't mean "never happened" to mean it never happened, than can you explain what you meant?