ESPN NFL Live: Michael Irvin says 13-3 & Super Bowl for the Cowboys

[TruBlueCowboy]

On ESPN NFL Live, Michael Irvin was the guest and going with the TO theme, said the Cowboys were ready for a Super Bowl this year. Predicted 13-3 and the NFC representative in the Super Bowl. Irvin also said that he had talked to TO and his suspension was one of those situations where you don't realize what ya got until it's gone. Irvin said TO would not be a problem for Parcells and would retire a Cowboys. Mike Golic also said the Cowboys had the best offseason of any team in the NFL.

I think Irvin predicted a Super Bowl appearance for the Boys before, but it's always good to have #88 rooting for Da Boys! :starspin

[Q_the_man]

I believe him, but I have never predicted us to lose a game, Super Bowl or Bust..............

[BrAinPaiNt]

On ESPN NFL Live, Michael Irvin was the guest and going with the TO theme, said the Cowboys were ready for a Super Bowl this year. Predicted 13-3 and the NFC representative in the Super Bowl. Irvin also said that he had talked to TO and his suspension was one of those situations where you don't realize what ya got until it's gone. Irvin said TO would not be a problem for Parcells and would retire a Cowboys. Mike Golic also said the Cowboys had the best offseason of any team in the NFL.

I think Irvin predicted a Super Bowl appearance for the Boys before, but it's always good to have #88 rooting for Da Boys! :starspin


Well it is nice to see us getting some good press...but I will hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

I don't just want to see us start off strong, we have done that quite a few times recently...now it is time for us to FINISH strong as well.

[BlueStar22]

mike has relapsed...j/k

[RealCowboyfan]

On ESPN NFL Live, Michael Irvin was the guest and going with the TO theme, said the Cowboys were ready for a Super Bowl this year. Predicted 13-3 and the NFC representative in the Super Bowl. Irvin also said that he had talked to TO and his suspension was one of those situations where you don't realize what ya got until it's gone. Irvin said TO would not be a problem for Parcells and would retire a Cowboys. Mike Golic also said the Cowboys had the best offseason of any team in the NFL.

I think Irvin predicted a Super Bowl appearance for the Boys before, but it's always good to have #88 rooting for Da Boys! :starspin

T.O.>>>>Keyshawn
Akin Adoleye>>> Dat Nguyen
Kyle Kosier>>>> Larry Allen
Rocky Boiman>>>> Scott Fujita
Marcus Coleman>>>> Competing for starting position
Bobby Carpenter>>> Competing for starting position
Ryan Hannam>>>> Depth at Tigth End
Anthony Fasano>>> Dan Campbell
Patrick Watkins>>>> Competing for starting position
Skyler Green>>>>>> fourth wide receiver
Montavious Stanley>>>> La'Roi Glover
Mike Vanderjagt>>>>>>Billy Cudiff
Jason Hatcher>>>>>>Competing for a back-up End spot
Jason Fabini>>>>> Competing for a starting right tackle spot
Kai Parham>>>> Competing for a spot on the team
E.J. Whitley>>>>> Competing for a spot on the team
Miles Austin>>>> Competing for final receiver spot
and more...:starspin

[MONT17]

if we get the same oline play we did last year we should win 7 games!!!

[TheSkaven]

This may sound silly, but I am relying on Michael Irvin to hold TO in line this year. We all know that Michael is and always will be a Cowboy and bleeds blue and silver, and he may be the only man to whom TO actually listens.

[big dog cowboy]

T.O.>>>>Keyshawn
Akin Adoleye>>> Dat Nguyen
Kyle Kosier>>>> Larry Allen
Rocky Boiman>>>> Scott Fujita
Marcus Coleman>>>> Competing for starting position
Bobby Carpenter>>> Competing for starting position
Ryan Hannam>>>> Depth at Tigth End
Anthony Fasano>>> Dan Campbell
Patrick Watkins>>>> Competing for starting position
Skyler Green>>>>>> fourth wide receiver
Montavious Stanley>>>> La'Roi Glover
Mike Vanderjagt>>>>>>Billy Cudiff
Jason Hatcher>>>>>>Competing for a back-up End spot
Jason Fabini>>>>> Competing for a starting right tackle spot
Kai Parham>>>> Competing for a spot on the team
E.J. Whitley>>>>> Competing for a spot on the team
Miles Austin>>>> Competing for final receiver spot
and more...:starspin
There are a couple in there that some may dispute. But I agree with all of them. Long term thinking, we have upgraded big time this off season. There is no question we are much better (IMO) overall than last year. I won't say 13-3, but we will win more than last year and make the playoffs. I'll go with 11-5 and those loses will be close. January will be fun next year.

[big dog cowboy]

if we get the same oline play we did last year we should win 7 games!!!
Depends on which O-line you are talking about. The one that started the year did very well. The one after Flo went down really struggled. With the depth we have now, I don't see any way we could ever be as bad as we were at the end of the year last year.

[SouthernStar]

Predicted 13-3 and the NFC representative in the Super Bowl.
That's too bad. (I kinda thought that he would get off of those drugs....):)

[calico]

This may sound silly, but I am relying on Michael Irvin to hold TO in line this year. We all know that Michael is and always will be a Cowboy and bleeds blue and silver, and he may be the only man to whom TO actually listens.


I feel the same way. Irvin has TO's ear and he will help keep him in line. Irvin is a big reason TO is here and will be a huge reason why I think he will be kept in check.

Now, I think TO will have his moments of *****ing on the sideline, but it won't get anywhere near as bad as it did in Philthy.

[Big D]

Akin Adoleye>>> Dat Nguyen
Kyle Kosier>>>> Larry Allen
Montavious Stanley>>>> La'Roi Glover




Let me think........NO.

[burmafrd]

THose are REALLY questionable. Dat was the man as regards the LB's; Glover was the same as regards the D line. Kosier MIGHT be better then LA is now- that remains to be seen.

[Sarge]

if we get the same oline play we did last year we should win 7 games!!!

Exactly, this 13-3 stuff is ridiculous.

[burmafrd]

Honestly: Only the Colts, Panthers- those are the two teams that I honestly could say are better then us right now. AND if our O line works out well, they are not much better at all. We have the potential to have the best offense in the NFL, and a top 5 D. If the breaks go our way, 14-2 is certainly possible.
12-4 is more reasonable. Actually, if the offense explodes like I hope it does, 19-0 could happen. If you are going to dream- MAKE IT BIG.

[hendog]

Honestly: Only the Colts, Panthers- those are the two teams that I honestly could say are better then us right now. AND if our O line works out well, they are not much better at all. We have the potential to have the best offense in the NFL, and a top 5 D. If the breaks go our way, 14-2 is certainly possible.
12-4 is more reasonable. Actually, if the offense explodes like I hope it does, 19-0 could happen. If you are going to dream- MAKE IT BIG.



YEAH BABY!!!!!

[hendog]

Ohnestly - If our Oline stays healthy they will be alot better than last yr. When Flo went down it killled us. Fabini ( in BP's words) Won't give up 15 sacks if we line him up backwards. Marco is heathy(at least for now) Al is bulkier, and I don't care what anyone says LA was a liability to our line last yr. Go back and watch any film you want - he was abused on a consistent basis. Kosier may not be an upgrade but maybe he will. With Peterman's injury he was a rookie last yr and he may surprpise us this yr.

[CrazyCowboy]

He may be on coke or something, but, I like the way he is talking!

[Bob Sacamano]

Kosier may not be an upgrade but maybe he will.

he's already an upgrade in reaching defenders in the 2nd level, and his quickness will make him an upgrade in pass-protection IMO, his ability to slide and mirror

[theogt]

I remember in 03 at the beginning of the season he picked us winning 10 games. I think Jaws was there and laughed at him. In any event, I'm laughin at 13 wins.

[rdsknsbaby]

On ESPN NFL Live, Michael Irvin was the guest and going with the TO theme, said the Cowboys were ready for a Super Bowl this year. Predicted 13-3 and the NFC representative in the Super Bowl. Irvin also said that he had talked to TO and his suspension was one of those situations where you don't realize what ya got until it's gone. Irvin said TO would not be a problem for Parcells and would retire a Cowboys. Mike Golic also said the Cowboys had the best offseason of any team in the NFL.

I think Irvin predicted a Super Bowl appearance for the Boys before, but it's always good to have #88 rooting for Da Boys! :starspin

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

[Bob Sacamano]

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

trolling is cool!

[Screw The Hall]

Cocaine is a helluva drug.


Must of been the same drug Theisman was taking when he predicted you guys to goto the SB last year.

[rdsknsbaby]

Must of been the same drug Theisman was taking when he predicted you guys to goto the SB last year.

probably.:confused: but i guess we'll never know

[5Stars]

probably.:confused: but i guess we'll never know

:dissskin:

[ThreeSportStar80]

Call it a gut feeling but I think Parcells likes what he saw in Skyler Green, if the coach isn't on you then you have to be worried!! Green will be a great draft pick for the Cowboys because of his versatility.

[Zippy Speedster]

Well it is nice to see us getting some good press...but I will hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

I don't just want to see us start off strong, we have done that quite a few times recently...now it is time for us to FINISH strong as well.

And it's the same story everyyear; Somebody on the oline gets injured and something happens to remove Glenn from our passing game, and we never seem to finish strong. This year I add Julius into that equation. Even with the addition of TO I just don't know if it will be enough to surpass these three things from killing us. A healthy oline, Glenn and Jones living up to what they're supposed to, and we're pretty much unstoppable - doubly so with TO now in the lineup. Though I'd feel 1000000x better with lesser players at those two positions supporting TO, lesser players who don't get injured forcing us to change everything up at some almost guaranteed point of the season like the other two do. A nominal player who can last 16+ games is much easier to play around then one halftime-superstar who you can't depend on for an entire season. And the crazy thing is, we haven't done all that much to help the oline improve this offseason, yet I feel ALOT more secure in what we have going on there then with what we have going on at those other 2 before mentioned positions. If I'm coach, I'm taking the 16 games workhorses, Barber and Crayton, and never looking back. And when Glenn was eating grass around week 8 somewhere else, with Jones hobbling around on another bum-ankle somewhere else, this team and the fans would thank me - and numbers of our 2 replacement players would only play into the equation with the fans that think stats are everything - the rest of us would be happy with 16 games seeing the same players, giving us an equal chance each and every week. Not the up today, down tomorrow, solely dependant on two players injury status, team, that we have going on now. We haven't turned into the "Cardiac Cowboys" for nothing. Our pulse simply just does not beat even, it's all over the place and I dare one person to say it doesn't have a lot to do with those two players, period- and imo, it's 99% of our problems- and at that, problems we continuessly ignore, yearly. 2 for Jones, 3 for Terry, going on 3 & 4. And when one can easily find a problem so blatently sticking out as that, there's a serious problem. Add our Oline woes to that and it really astonishes me that a big portion of the offseason wasnt' solely dedicated to fixing those three things rather then entirely ignoring them.

[Zippy Speedster]

13-3 and Super Bowl? No. Not unless we wake up fast.

[lspain1]

So many things have to come together exactly right for us to go 13-3 this year. I like Michael and I do think we have had an excellent offseason, but too many question marks and too many quality opponents make this prediction ludicrous.

Question marks on the offensive line do not usually resolve themselves overnight. Our age on offense means the odds of some injury taking place are pretty high. Injuries will happen and while the Cowboys have better depth than last year, things could still work out badly (see what happens if Flo goes down again). The way I see it, the NFC East is simply too competitive for the kind of record Irvin is predicting. Our out of division opponents this year are also high quality divisions. I'll feel good about 11-5 and a division win.

[Eddie]

Not for nothing, but the Cowboys made 13-3 only ONCE in their entire franchise history ... the 1992 Super Bowl team. The one which trounced the Bills 51-17.

Not sure we're at the same level. Not even close.

[Doomsday]

trolling is cool!

:lmao:

[TruBlueCowboy]

Cocaine is a helluva drug.
:laugh1:

[big dog cowboy]

Not for nothing, but the Cowboys made 13-3 only ONCE in their entire franchise history ... the 1992 Super Bowl team. The one which trounced the Bills 51-17.

Not sure we're at the same level. Not even close.
We may not be at that level as the '92 team......but do we have to be? In this era of watered down teams, no team may ever be as good as that team was.

[Cbz40]

Well it is nice to see us getting some good press...but I will hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

I don't just want to see us start off strong, we have done that quite a few times recently...now it is time for us to FINISH strong as well.


Likewise.......I like a good strong start but I'll wait until the 4th or 5th game going into the second half of the season before stating an opinion or making any predictions.:)

[speedkilz88]

We may not be at that level as the '92 team......but do we have to be? In this era of watered down teams, no team may ever be as good as that team was.I agree that '92 team would probably go undefeated versus the teams today.

[SantanaOwnsU]

Michael Irvin thinks the Cowboys will go 13-3.

Stop the Presses!!!!!! What an unbelievable turn of events!

[Screw The Hall]

Michael Irvin thinks the Cowboys will go 13-3

Stop the Presses!!!!!! What an unbelievable turn of events!

But somehow it doesn't seem near as ludicrous to you Redskin fans that one of your own, Mr. Personality ... ugh ... sorry I vomited a little bit in my mouth ... Joe Theisman predicted the exact same SB appearance for you guys last year.

[SantanaOwnsU]

And what did you think when Theisman picked us for the Superbowl after not making the playoffs the year before? That he was a crazy person. Theisman is a homer, so is Irvin.

[Screw The Hall]

And what did you think when Theisman picked us for the Superbowl after not making the playoffs the year before? That he was a crazy person. Theisman is a homer, so is Irvin.


Yep I did ... but I didn't troll On a Redskin board shouting it from the rooftop either ... that being the difference.

[SantanaOwnsU]

Yep I did ... but I didn't troll On a Redskin board shouting it from the rooftop either ... that being the difference.
There are plenty of cowboys over at ExtremeSkins who say much worse than what I did. I merely stated the facts, the cowboys will not go 13-3.

[FLcowboy]

Bluestar

Great signature

[visionary]

T.O.>>>>Keyshawn

Montavious Stanley>>>> La'Roi Glover
and more...:starspin

you lost me there

[visionary]

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

so is burgundy and gold coolaid. it plays havoc with brain cells.

for the few skins fans who have any cells in their brain that is. :)

[jazzcat22]

And what did you think when Theisman picked us for the Superbowl after not making the playoffs the year before? That he was a crazy person. Theisman is a homer, so is Irvin.


Yes, but Irvin is cool about it. :p:

At least Irvin can and will be critical of the Cowboys.
Theisman is just all homer, no negatives. But yet will not give the Cowboys any credit, as Irvin will say good things about the Redskins.

[peplaw06]

There are plenty of cowboys over at ExtremeSkins who say much worse than what I did. I merely stated the facts, the cowboys will not go 13-3.

How is that a fact?? the season hasn't even started remember

[fanfromarizona]

So many things have to come together exactly right for us to go 13-3 this year. I like Michael and I do think we have had an excellent offseason, but too many question marks and too many quality opponents make this prediction ludicrous.

Question marks on the offensive line do not usually resolve themselves overnight. Our age on offense means the odds of some injury taking place are pretty high. Injuries will happen and while the Cowboys have better depth than last year, things could still work out badly (see what happens if Flo goes down again). The way I see it, the NFC East is simply too competitive for the kind of record Irvin is predicting. Our out of division opponents this year are also high quality divisions. I'll feel good about 11-5 and a division win.

The NFC East is hands down the hardest division to play in. If you make the assumption that all division games will net a 3-3 record, that means the Cowboys will need to run the table against the likes of the AFC and NFC South, chances are it's not going to happen. One of these days I would like to see the homeboy Irvin make an educated prediction and show he is an objective and educated prognosticator.

With weaknesses on the line and a yet-to-be-established dominant running back, the addition of TO, while significant, will be relegated to immaterial if the OLine does not protect the statue Bledsoe and Bledsoe continues to make stupid tosses. Bledsoe needs to be protected to be effective and to make your offense reach its potential.

Yes, I am not a Cowboys fan, but I would like to see a educated non-homer-based discussion if you feel 13-3 is a reachable target, in the same manner that I have made my opinion known.

[BigDFan5]

And it's the same story everyyear; Somebody on the oline gets injured and something happens to remove Glenn from our passing game, and we never seem to finish strong. This year I add Julius into that equation. Even with the addition of TO I just don't know if it will be enough to surpass these three things from killing us. A healthy oline, Glenn and Jones living up to what they're supposed to, and we're pretty much unstoppable - doubly so with TO now in the lineup. Though I'd feel 1000000x better with lesser players at those two positions supporting TO, lesser players who don't get injured forcing us to change everything up at some almost guaranteed point of the season like the other two do. A nominal player who can last 16+ games is much easier to play around then one halftime-superstar who you can't depend on for an entire season. And the crazy thing is, we haven't done all that much to help the oline improve this offseason, yet I feel ALOT more secure in what we have going on there then with what we have going on at those other 2 before mentioned positions. If I'm coach, I'm taking the 16 games workhorses, Barber and Crayton, and never looking back. And when Glenn was eating grass around week 8 somewhere else, with Jones hobbling around on another bum-ankle somewhere else, this team and the fans would thank me - and numbers of our 2 replacement players would only play into the equation with the fans that think stats are everything - the rest of us would be happy with 16 games seeing the same players, giving us an equal chance each and every week. Not the up today, down tomorrow, solely dependant on two players injury status, team, that we have going on now. We haven't turned into the "Cardiac Cowboys" for nothing. Our pulse simply just does not beat even, it's all over the place and I dare one person to say it doesn't have a lot to do with those two players, period- and imo, it's 99% of our problems- and at that, problems we continuessly ignore, yearly. 2 for Jones, 3 for Terry, going on 3 & 4. And when one can easily find a problem so blatently sticking out as that, there's a serious problem. Add our Oline woes to that and it really astonishes me that a big portion of the offseason wasnt' solely dedicated to fixing those three things rather then entirely ignoring them.

You do realize Glenn has missed games due to injury exaxctly ONE time since 2000 right? in 1999 he missed the final 2 games

He got injured in Dallas once, other than that he has played every game here, and only missed 2 games in 7 years except the one year in Dallas

[Screw The Hall]

Sure it's a homer statement by Irvin. The 13-3 comment ironically is the more questionable of the two statements IMO. I think (even though it's only an outside shot) that we have a better chance of going to th SB than going 13-3 which I'm almost positive isn't going to happen.

[fanfromarizona]

Watching NFL Total Access yesterday, they analyzed your offense, your line could not defend pressures right up the middle. The loss of Larry Allen will hurt more than you realize because chemistry on the line is the hardest thing to keep in cohesion. Do you have to worry about your assignment or if your partner misses their, stuff like that. Defensively the Giants, Eagles and Redskins all improved and will know how to continue to attack this weakness. Until your line can prove that it can handle the pressure, it will continue to receive pressure. And the pressure will not cease, both in the season and if you manage to make the playoffs.

Remember, it's defenses that win championships, your offense will be dealing with some high-caliber defenses that will continue to pressure Bledsoe as long as the line does not prove it is up to the task of protecting him.

[BigDFan5]

Watching NFL Total Access yesterday, they analyzed your offense, your line could not defend pressures right up the middle. The loss of Larry Allen will hurt more than you realize because chemistry on the line is the hardest thing to keep in cohesion. Do you have to worry about your assignment or if your partner misses their, stuff like that. Defensively the Giants, Eagles and Redskins all improved and will know how to continue to attack this weakness. Until your line can prove that it can handle the pressure, it will continue to receive pressure. And the pressure will not cease, both in the season and if you manage to make the playoffs.

Remember, it's defenses that win championships, your offense will be dealing with some high-caliber defenses that will continue to pressure Bledsoe as long as the line does not prove it is up to the task of protecting him.


Well if defenses win championships then we will be great this year considering our D in its first year of the 34 was as good as Washingtons, and has only been improved since

[DallasEast]

Watching NFL Total Access yesterday, they analyzed your offense, your line could not defend pressures right up the middle. The loss of Larry Allen will hurt more than you realize because chemistry on the line is the hardest thing to keep in cohesion. Do you have to worry about your assignment or if your partner misses their, stuff like that. Defensively the Giants, Eagles and Redskins all improved and will know how to continue to attack this weakness. Until your line can prove that it can handle the pressure, it will continue to receive pressure. And the pressure will not cease, both in the season and if you manage to make the playoffs.

Remember, it's defenses that win championships, your offense will be dealing with some high-caliber defenses that will continue to pressure Bledsoe as long as the line does not prove it is up to the task of protecting him.Larry Allen?

You do realize that the Cowboys' passing woes really began after Adams' injury? Allen's weakness was more in the running game (his lack of mobility was glaring whenever he had to pull for screens and sweeps to his side) than the passing game.

[Screw The Hall]

Watching NFL Total Access yesterday, they analyzed your offense, your line could not defend pressures right up the middle. The loss of Larry Allen will hurt more than you realize because chemistry on the line is the hardest thing to keep in cohesion. Do you have to worry about your assignment or if your partner misses their, stuff like that. Defensively the Giants, Eagles and Redskins all improved and will know how to continue to attack this weakness. Until your line can prove that it can handle the pressure, it will continue to receive pressure. And the pressure will not cease, both in the season and if you manage to make the playoffs.

Remember, it's defenses that win championships, your offense will be dealing with some high-caliber defenses that will continue to pressure Bledsoe as long as the line does not prove it is up to the task of protecting him.


I'm not sure we are even going to the playoffs because the NFCE will be a war all season long. With that being said I think we have as good a shot as any of the other 3 teams of making noise. I think at least 2 teams out of the East get into the playoffs and once those survivors (whichever teams they are) get in, they will be battletested and a tough out for the rest of the NFC.

[fanfromarizona]

Well if defenses win championships then we will be great this year considering our D in its first year of the 34 was as good as Washingtons, and has only been improved since

All 4 teams in the NFC East have vaulted defenses, its just a question of where. The Giants lies in the outside edge rushers, Philadelphia has it in their linebackers and safeties and playing within the system , Dallas definitely has their strength upfront, and Washington has it with their corners and safeties and the dependency to stay within the system.

With that being stated, each team's defense also has an area that can be attacked, Dallas was obviously exposed a few times in their ability to cover against the pass. I can think of a few games [at home against Washington and San Fransisco] that this was exposed. Add to the fact that Brandon Lloyd who exposed this weakness is on the rival Redskins to team up with Santana Moss, and your corners are going to have their hands filled in week 2.

[Hostile]

Watching NFL Total Access yesterday, they analyzed your offense, your line could not defend pressures right up the middle. The loss of Larry Allen will hurt more than you realize because chemistry on the line is the hardest thing to keep in cohesion. Do you have to worry about your assignment or if your partner misses their, stuff like that. Defensively the Giants, Eagles and Redskins all improved and will know how to continue to attack this weakness. Until your line can prove that it can handle the pressure, it will continue to receive pressure. And the pressure will not cease, both in the season and if you manage to make the playoffs.

Remember, it's defenses that win championships, your offense will be dealing with some high-caliber defenses that will continue to pressure Bledsoe as long as the line does not prove it is up to the task of protecting him.:welcome: to the forum. Where in AZ are you and who are you a fan of? Can't be the Cardinals if you're in AZ.

[fanfromarizona]

Larry Allen?

You do realize that the Cowboys' passing woes really began after Adams' injury? Allen's weakness was more in the running game (his lack of mobility was glaring whenever he had to pull for screens and sweeps to his side) than the passing game.

My reference was more along the lines of chemistry with teammates. Coverage along the line broke down because of Kosier not being sure of his assignments. Kosier will need to show he is up to the task of providing protection for Bledsoe to carve defenses up. With adequate time, Bledsoe does have great passing stats, but his [mis]handling of pressure is what will hinder your offense most.

[fanfromarizona]

:welcome: to the forum. Where in AZ are you and who are you a fan of? Can't be the Cardinals if you're in AZ.

Thanks, I live in Phoenix. I'll stick to being a fan of 1 of the other 3 NFC East teams. I don't want any homerisms. I wish to participate here in some educated dialogue without getting the "<other NFC East team> sucks"

[theogt]

Thanks, I live in Phoenix. I'll stick to being a fan of 1 of the other 3 NFC East teams. I don't want any homerisms. I wish to participate here in some educated dialogue without getting the "<other NFC East team> sucks":dissskin: :dissgint: :disseags:

:)

[5Stars]

Thanks, I live in Phoenix. I'll stick to being a fan of 1 of the other 3 NFC East teams. I don't want any homerisms. I wish to participate here in some educated dialogue without getting the "<other NFC East team> sucks"

That ashamed, huh? :rolleyes:

[burmafrd]

Young players make mistakes- our young guys are a year older and smarter.
the ONLY weakness in our entire D now is FS- which is not a critical area if the other areas produce as expected. And we will be better there.
Offense: The O line will be much better then it was late last year. SInce we were 7-3 with the Hotel- we should be fine with him back. Petitti is better now with a season to get stronger, we have Fabini and maybe Columbo. RIvera is healthy and Johnson is stronger. Kosier is quicker and able to reach blockers LA could only look at. TO and Glenn can neither be covered by one player- but you cannot double both without leaving Witten and Fasano and a back ready to eat your lunch. And JJ - as long as he is healthy- is always a threat to take it to the house or close to it. Its been well established that if you give Bledsoe time he will carve you up. Look out NFL we are BACK!!!

[Hostile]

Thanks, I live in Phoenix. I'll stick to being a fan of 1 of the other 3 NFC East teams. I don't want any homerisms. I wish to participate here in some educated dialogue without getting the "<other NFC East team> sucks"I knew you couldn't be a Cardinals fan living in AZ.

:grin:

I'm in Tucson. Good to have another cactus jumper around here and don't worry about wearing your team's colors here. As long as you don't outright try to insult the Cowboys or their fans, these folks will accept you for who you are.

You may catch some grief, but it will be good natured.

[fanfromarizona]

I'm not sure we are even going to the playoffs because the NFCE will be a war all season long. With that being said I think we have as good a shot as any of the other 3 teams of making noise. I think at least 2 teams out of the East get into the playoffs and once those survivors (whichever teams they are) get in, they will be battletested and a tough out for the rest of the NFC.

I'll agree with this statement. Strength wise I would rank the NFC East and South as the two hardest divisions, followed by the NFC West, to be finished off by the NFC North.

The Cardinals and Rams are going to make it a tighter race this year for Seattle, who I think will eventually win out.

I also think the top 2 playoff seeds will come respectively from the winner of the NFC East and South, and that the battle-testedness of the winner will prove fruitful in the playoffs. To finish the bye week each of the top 2 will be well needed.

The only concern I would have for your playoff aspirations is actually with your schedule. Your bye week is VERY early this year, you start on the road against a very good Jacksonvile team followed up with another week2 rivalry with the hated Redskins[I can easily see a 1-1 and a possibility for an 0-2 record], and then you have a ROUGH schedule midseason starting in week 7 through 13 with some short and long weeks, you will need to come through that rough schedule [mind you against 6 teams that made the playoffs last year] if you wish to make the playoffs. If you perform well during this crucial time, you will go into the playoffs, but it's not going to be easy to go through those weeks unscathed.

[SultanOfSix]

My reference was more along the lines of chemistry with teammates. Coverage along the line broke down because of Kosier not being sure of his assignments. Kosier will need to show he is up to the task of providing protection for Bledsoe to carve defenses up. With adequate time, Bledsoe does have great passing stats, but his [mis]handling of pressure is what will hinder your offense most.

Um, Kosier wasn't on our team last year. It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.

[fanfromarizona]

:dissskin: :dissgint: :disseags:

:)

You covered all the bases there man, so let me do my rendition for you:

:star: :( :lmao2:

[theogt]

Um, Kosier wasn't on our team last year. It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.I couldn't tell if he was referring to him on our team or on Detroit. I've watched the games he played LG in Detroit and he looked just fine.

[5Stars]

I'll agree with this statement. Strength wise I would rank the NFC East and South as the two hardest divisions, followed by the NFC West, to be finished off by the NFC North.

The Cardinals and Rams are going to make it a tighter race this year for Seattle, who I think will eventually win out.

I also think the top 2 playoff seeds will come respectively from the winner of the NFC East and South, and that the battle-testedness of the winner will prove fruitful in the playoffs. To finish the bye week each of the top 2 will be well needed.

The only concern I would have for your playoff aspirations is actually with your schedule. Your bye week is VERY early this year, you start on the road against a very good Jacksonvile team followed up with another week2 rivalry with the hated Redskins[I can easily see a 1-1 and a possibility for an 0-2 record], and then you have a ROUGH schedule midseason starting in week 7 through 13 with some short and long weeks, you will need to come through that rough schedule [mind you against 6 teams that made the playoffs last year] if you wish to make the playoffs. If you perform well during this crucial time, you will go into the playoffs, but it's not going to be easy to go through those weeks unscathed.

Post the schedule of the team you root for so we can make a similar accessment of their schedule. You seem to have the Cowboys all figured out, so let us Cowboy fans give you the same ctitique of your schedule, OK?

You don't have to name what team you root for, just post the schedule...can you do that? :cool:

[fanfromarizona]

That ashamed, huh? :rolleyes:

No, as I have previously stated, I am looking for educated dialogue and not vitrioule homerisms. Lets talk football here, I came here to be engaged in educated conversations.

[Screw The Hall]

I'll agree with this statement. Strength wise I would rank the NFC East and South as the two hardest divisions, followed by the NFC West, to be finished off by the NFC North.

The Cardinals and Rams are going to make it a tighter race this year for Seattle, who I think will eventually win out.

I also think the top 2 playoff seeds will come respectively from the winner of the NFC East and South, and that the battle-testedness of the winner will prove fruitful in the playoffs. To finish the bye week each of the top 2 will be well needed.

The only concern I would have for your playoff aspirations is actually with your schedule. Your bye week is VERY early this year, you start on the road against a very good Jacksonvile team followed up with another week2 rivalry with the hated Redskins[I can easily see a 1-1 and a possibility for an 0-2 record], and then you have a ROUGH schedule midseason starting in week 7 through 13 with some short and long weeks, you will need to come through that rough schedule [mind you against 6 teams that made the playoffs last year] if you wish to make the playoffs. If you perform well during this crucial time, you will go into the playoffs, but it's not going to be easy to go through those weeks unscathed.

Agreed, I hate early bye weeks. With that being said I like the fact that 5 of our 1st 8 are on the road where our bye week is located.

It also allows for 5 of our final 8 to be at home which I prefer to the reverse of that scenario.

[5Stars]

No, as I have previously stated, I am looking for educated dialogue and not vitrioule homerisms. Lets talk football here, I came here to be engaged in educated conversations.

Well, if you call a one-sided conversation educational, then you got something wrong already!

If you can come here and tell us all about the Cowboys, yet, the Cowboy fans cannot do the same, that is a one-way conversation....

That ashamed, huh? :rolleyes:

[theogt]

Agreed, I hate early bye weeks. With that being said I like the fact that 5 of our 1st 8 are on the road where our bye week is located.

It also allows for 5 of our final 8 to be at home which I prefer to the reverse of that scenario.Yeah, it comes down to 6 in one and a half dozen in the other. Schedules are schedules. There's usually stuff to like and stuff to ***** about. It's ridiculous to talk about how hard a schedule is because teams make jumps and falls from year to year.

[fanfromarizona]

Young players make mistakes- our young guys are a year older and smarter.
the ONLY weakness in our entire D now is FS- which is not a critical area if the other areas produce as expected. And we will be better there.
Offense: The O line will be much better then it was late last year. SInce we were 7-3 with the Hotel- we should be fine with him back. Petitti is better now with a season to get stronger, we have Fabini and maybe Columbo. RIvera is healthy and Johnson is stronger. Kosier is quicker and able to reach blockers LA could only look at. TO and Glenn can neither be covered by one player- but you cannot double both without leaving Witten and Fasano and a back ready to eat your lunch. And JJ - as long as he is healthy- is always a threat to take it to the house or close to it. Its been well established that if you give Bledsoe time he will carve you up. Look out NFL we are BACK!!!

That is both your strength and Achilles heal at the same time, how much time will he get? If he gets enough, he will carve *any* defense up. But, again, how much time will he get because he does not have the mobility to escape defenders. Toss ups in the NFL do not bode well, it might in the case of TO, but not in general.

[theogt]

That is both your strength and Achilles heal at the same time, how much time will he get? If he gets enough, he will carve *any* defense up. But, again, how much time will he get because he does not have the mobility to escape defenders. Toss ups in the NFL do not bode well, it might in the case of TO, but not in general.In today's NFL with the interference calls, the opposite is true.

[fanfromarizona]

I knew you couldn't be a Cardinals fan living in AZ.

:grin:

I'm in Tucson. Good to have another cactus jumper around here and don't worry about wearing your team's colors here. As long as you don't outright try to insult the Cowboys or their fans, these folks will accept you for who you are.

You may catch some grief, but it will be good natured.

seems like I already am catching grief. I do post on other websites, and this seems to be a general rule [to not insult the fanbase], I'll let you know I fullheartedly agree with it. Let's have some good football based discussions.

[5Stars]

Let's have some good football based discussions.

:lmao: I'm out....you others can play with him.....!

[SultanOfSix]

Is is just me, and this is just assuming that Flozell is now 100% healthy - not considering the optimistic outlook that Rivera's back has fully healed, or Rob Petititi has finished his rookie year and has bulked up and gotten better, we've brought in Fabini to start (or if Rob beats him out, as insurance) and brought in Kosier (who's coming into his prime) to replace Allen (who's fallen out of it), our two centers have more experience and the starting one has gotten stronger - or doesn't anyone else think that we've actually got better on the offensive line this year?

[theogt]

seems like I already am catching grief. I do post on other websites, and this seems to be a general rule [to not insult the fanbase], I'll let you know I fullheartedly agree with it. Let's have some good football based discussions.If the minor opposition you've felt here is "grief" you need to toughen your skin.

[theogt]

Is is just me, and this is just assuming that Flozell comes 100% healthy - not considering the optimistic outlook that Rivera's back has fully healed, or Rob Petititi has finished his rookie year and has bulked up and gotten better, we've brought in Fabini, and brought in Kosier (who'se coming into his prime) to replace Allen (who's fallen out of it), our two centers have more experience and one has gotten strong - or doesn't anyone else think that we've actually got better on the offensive line this year?I think the OL, if every one is healthy will be above average this year.

[SultanOfSix]

If the minor opposition you've felt here is "grief" you need to toughen your skin.

Hiding the team you root for doesn't scream security either.

[Screw The Hall]

seems like I already am catching grief. I do post on other websites, and this seems to be a general rule [to not insult the fanbase], I'll let you know I fullheartedly agree with it. Let's have some good football based discussions.


It's all in good fun man. You seem like you have some intelligence to you, so you'll be fine. One thing I've figured out from being a lurker is that when you are on a opposing teams messageboard you very rarely are going to get the last word, and justifiably so. But that doesn't mean people aren't hearing you, they do ... loud and clear.

[KCCOWBOYSFAN]

Go Cowboys

[Screw The Hall]

Is is just me, and this is just assuming that Flozell is now 100% healthy - not considering the optimistic outlook that Rivera's back has fully healed, or Rob Petititi has finished his rookie year and has bulked up and gotten better, we've brought in Fabini to start (or if Rob beats him out, as insurance) and brought in Kosier (who's coming into his prime) to replace Allen (who's fallen out of it), our two centers have more experience and the starting one has gotten stronger - or doesn't anyone else think that we've actually got better on the offensive line this year?


Definately beyond the shadow of a doubt better ... how much so remains to be seen. It could be a considerable amount. :pray2:

If it is watch out.

[fanfromarizona]

Post the schedule of the team you root for so we can make a similar accessment of their schedule. You seem to have the Cowboys all figured out, so let us Cowboy fans give you the same ctitique of your schedule, OK?

You don't have to name what team you root for, just post the schedule...can you do that? :cool:


How about this stat: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2399476

In terms of toughness, you have the weakest schedule of the four teams in the NFC East, and yet will have opponents in Weeks 1 and 2, and then weeks 7-13 that made the playoffs last year. If you can get through that, the Cowboys are in the playoffs.

[Screw The Hall]

How about this stat: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2399476

In terms of toughness, you have the weakest schedule of the four teams in the NFC East, and yet will have opponents in Weeks 1 and 2, and then weeks 7-13 that made the playoffs last year. If you can get through that, the Cowboys are in the playoffs.


This day in time with the fluctuation in teams from year to year it is next to impossible to figure out who has the tougher schedule until the season is over, at which point it doesn't matter anymore.

[KCCOWBOYSFAN]

As Jimmy Said In 91 "we Will Be In The Playoffs"

[fanfromarizona]

Agreed, I hate early bye weeks. With that being said I like the fact that 5 of our 1st 8 are on the road where our bye week is located.

It also allows for 5 of our final 8 to be at home which I prefer to the reverse of that scenario.

It definitely helps to have games at home at the end of the year, but you still have some difficult teams to handle at home [Indianapolis, Tampa and Philly are not going to be easy games] and two difficult road games on the road against the Giants and Atlanta.

All things being equal, schedules are schedules, all 4 teams have the essentially the same schedule, it's just a question of when.

[burmafrd]

Outside of Eddie, Iceberg and a few other suicidaly depressed people, it is accepted that our O line will be better this year- the Key is HOW MUCH.
If it can be as good as it was early last year then we are in pretty decent shape. If it can run block better we are in GREAT shape.

[fanfromarizona]

Hiding the team you root for doesn't scream security either.

It's part of the fun. :D

[burmafrd]

Finishing the year at home the majority of the games if a big advantage as far as I am concerned. Early in the year the pressure is not as intense- come late Dec early Jan and it is. That is when home field means a lot more.

[DallasDW00ds0n]

gotta love Irvin

[fanfromarizona]

Outside of Eddie, Iceberg and a few other suicidaly depressed people, it is accepted that our O line will be better this year- the Key is HOW MUCH.
If it can be as good as it was early last year then we are in pretty decent shape. If it can run block better we are in GREAT shape.

well said. It all starts up front. I'll :beer2: with this one. .

[Screw The Hall]

Finishing the year at home the majority of the games if a big advantage as far as I am concerned. Early in the year the pressure is not as intense- come late Dec early Jan and it is. That is when home field means a lot more.


I agree.

Not to mention getting to sleep in your own bed and not flying all around the country towards the end of the season when every team in the NFL is tired and has weary legs is a positive as well.

[DallasEast]

It's part of the fun. :DWhen you're around fans of your favorite team, do THEY even know who you root for? :)

[fanfromarizona]

This day in time with the fluctuation in teams from year to year it is next to impossible to figure out who has the tougher schedule until the season is over, at which point it doesn't matter anymore.

I agree, all teams improve, so teams like Chicago and Tampa Bay who had terrrible records two years ago drastically improve last year to both make the playoffs.

[fanfromarizona]

When you're around fans of your favorite team, do THEY even know who you root for? :)

Yes, because my signature indicates it and includes links to my favorite player.

[DallasEast]

Yes, because my signature indicates it and includes links to my favorite player....'signature'?

[rdsknsbaby]

...'signature'?

i was just about to say that.

[DallasEast]

i was just about to say that.Great minds think...

oh, hell. :)

[fanfromarizona]

Well, if you call a one-sided conversation educational, then you got something wrong already!

If you can come here and tell us all about the Cowboys, yet, the Cowboy fans cannot do the same, that is a one-way conversation....

That ashamed, huh? :rolleyes:

Keeping the thread on topic, I am just stating that I think Irvin stating the Cowboys will finish 13-3 is just flat out nearsighted. NO ONE, not even MY TEAM, will finish with 13 wins.

Educated statements to back my opinion:

1. Cowboys have an early bye week, you will not be able to rest your injured starters midseason without paying a premium.

2. Cowboys belong in the NFC East, the toughest division in the NFC, where the assumption can be made that each team will go 3-3 or 4-2 by default. 5-1 is not going to happen this year for anyone, although the Redskins did do it last year. Too much improvement by all 4 teams.

3. Your brutal Week 1-2 and 7-13 schedule: Tough schedule against 7 playoff teams.

No reason to sling my team into the fray, I am a fan of my team and I would even argue not even I have expectations set that my team will finish with 13 wins.

[fanfromarizona]

...'signature'?

my online identity on this other site allows for a footer to be appended with each post. This footer is customizable and it identifies I am a fan of the team and a fan of my favorite player.

does that make it better?

[fanfromarizona]

...

:eek:

you're expecting a +4 differential for your team this year in an improved and more difficult division than last year?


I would call Irvin out if he said MY TEAM would finish with 13 wins, I would tell him to stop talking smack without having an educated reason to make the statement.

[DallasEast]

Keeping the thread on topic, I am just stating that I think Irvin stating the Cowboys will finish 13-3 is just flat out nearsighted. NO ONE, not even MY TEAM, will finish with 13 wins. I agree. The division is too evenly balanced. The AFC South and NFC South teams aren't going to just hand over wins. Still, 10-12 wins is not out of the question for the Cowboys or Giants to end up with.Educated statements to back my opinion:

1. Cowboys have an early bye week, you will not be able to rest your injured starters midseason without paying a premium.Injuries aren't predictable. Nor can injuries to certain starters dictate that they can not be compensated for with adequate coaching and quality play from backups.2. Cowboys belong in the NFC East, the toughest division in the NFC, where the assumption can be made that each team will go 3-3 or 4-2 by default. 5-1 is not going to happen this year for anyone, although the Redskins did do it last year. Too much improvement by all 4 teams.Don't count out 5-1. No one saw Philadelphia going 0-6 last season, either.3. Your brutal Week 1-2 and 7-13 schedule: Tough schedule against 7 playoff teams.Last season performance doesn't dictate present day success in the salary cap era.No reason to sling my team into the fray, I am a fan of my team and I would even argue not even I have expectations set that they will finish with 13 wins.That's YOUR team. We might agree. If we knew which team, that is. :rolleyes:

[fanfromarizona]

I am heading out(daddy duties dictate), will come back and discuss this later.

Good site so far. It is definitely engaging.

[DallasEast]

my online identity on this other site allows for a footer to be appended with each post. This footer is customizable and it identifies I am a fan of the team and a fan of my favorite player.

does that make it better?Are you referring to this site?

If so, I don't see it. Does anyone else?

Here's your forum profile info: http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/member.php?u=6649

Still don't see it.

:confused:

[DallasEast]

I am heading out, will come back and discuss this later.

Good site so far. It is definitely engaging.See ya and have a nice evening.

Bring a signature back with ya, okay! :)

[superpunk]

you're expecting a +4 differential for your team this year in an improved and more difficult division than last year?


I would call Irvin out if he said MY TEAM would finish with 13 wins, I would tell him to stop talking smack without having an educated reason to make the statement.

I'm expecting the team to play more to its potential from last year, while moving even further ahead with the new talent added. This was a good team last year, and IMO, better than their record indicated. It's even better. 13 wins is unreasonable for anyone at this stage of the year, but it could happen. In any case, I really don't think division winner and super bowl contender are out of the question. Maybe Mike went a little overboard, but if you ignore the numbers, he's about right on point.

Hell, last year he said we'd go 10-6. We went 9-7.

If we go 12-4 this year, I'll be hella happy.

[fanfromarizona]

Are you referring to this site?

If so, I don't see it. Does anyone else?

Here's your forum profile info: http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/member.php?u=6649

Still don't see it.

:confused:

nope, you'll see I used the word "other" in front of "site".

[Jarv]

I am heading out(daddy duties dictate), will come back and discuss this later.

Good site so far. It is definitely engaging.

Hope to see you back, personally I don't care who you root for. As long as your not just a negitive troll and like good football discussions, I'm fine with that.

[DallasEast]

nope, you'll see I used the word "other" in front of "site".True. Just wanted clarification. Have fun with the kids!

[fanfromarizona]

See ya and have a nice evening.

Bring a signature back with ya, okay! :)


daddy duties are calling, will stop back when mommy resumes duties.
I love talking football......


Argh that we have some months before we found out who's version of smashtalking is accurate. :)

[5Stars]

Argh that we have some months before we found out who's version of smashtalking is accurate. :)


:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

What version? Yours?

You know what? I think I just gained a tiny bit of respect for the RedStink fans and Green Slime Bird fans that come here and at least acknowledge who they are! :eek:


(i wonder if this guy is out talking to himself right now)?

:laugh2:

[Da Hammer]

This may sound silly, but I am relying on Michael Irvin to hold TO in line this year. We all know that Michael is and always will be a Cowboy and bleeds blue and silver, and he may be the only man to whom TO actually listens.
thats one of the reason why i argued for T.O around here when everybody seemed to be against us getting T.O. Irvin and T.O are best friends and i don't think he will want to let Michael down when he loves the Boys

[5Stars]

thats one of the reason why i argued for T.O around here when everybody seemed to be against us getting T.O. Irvin and T.O are best friends and i don't think he will want to let Michael down when he loves the Boys

That's what I'm hoping for too! Maybe #88 has some "special" mediciine to help "calm" T.O. down! :eek:

But, I agree with you! Now...you get three Beautiful Stars!

:starspin :starspin :starspin

[Da Hammer]

That's what I'm hoping for too! Maybe #88 has some "special" mediciine to help "calm" T.O. down! :eek:

But, I agree with you! Now...you get three Beautiful Stars!

:starspin :starspin :starspin
Geez i kind of wanted 5 stars :( :)

[fanfromarizona]

1. I agree. The division is too evenly balanced. The AFC South and NFC South teams aren't going to just hand over wins. Still, 10-12 wins is not out of the question for the Cowboys or Giants to end up with.
2. Injuries aren't predictable. Nor can injuries to certain starters dictate that they can not be compensated for with adequate coaching and quality play from backups.
3. Don't count out 5-1. No one saw Philadelphia going 0-6 last season, either.
4.Last season performance doesn't dictate present day success in the salary cap era.
5. That's YOUR team. We might agree. If we knew which team, that is. :rolleyes:

Point by point:
1 and 3 combined: 5 and 1 within the division? WOW. That's bold. But we'll be cool if we agree to disagree. If you believe anyone can go 5 and 1, you would have to give that chance to the Redskins based on last year's performance, and I am sure you will agree that was a HAIL MARY fluke of nature for them to do last year [they should have been 4-2].

I don't see ANY TEAM going 5-1 this year in the division, the best I see is 4-2. If you feel point 3 is possible, then I suppose point 1 is valid, but I will respectfully disagree with you on both points.

On the basis of last year's actual performance adjusted for the net adjustments of all 4 teams, I think we would agree that the Giants had a flukish year with the additional "road" game at the Meadowlands against the Saints and the tackling abilities of some teams [like Kansas City] and the stupid playcalling of Norv Turner [1 minute late in the game and he can't score a TD from within the 5?] could have EASILY led to a much different record, in fact out of the playoffs. But last year is done now.

Philadelphia was ravaged by injury and controversy, they will rebound back, after all, they were the division winner for quite a few years with the exception of last year. They will not go 0-6 this year in the division. They still need to prove they can play a balanced game, which they are going to be forced into because they dont have a true deep passing threat [possibly Reggie Brown...but that is definitely a downgrade from TO]. Their defense will keep them in games, and their premiere offensive weapon will be returning from injury: Brian Westbrook.

Redskins made the playoffs, and went the furthest in the playoffs of all 4 teams, they were banged up heading into Seattle and gave Seattle a good game. The nucleus of the team returns back this year and they attempted to address areas of weaknesses with flashy signings of Randel El, Carter and Archuletta, and later with not-so-noticed signings of Collins [to teach Saunders system], Fauria[run blocking TE], Wright [starting CB from Jax], and the trade for Brandon Lloyd.

Giants have the HARDEST schedule to face this year and it's going to affect them. Putting Lavar Arrington at the sam is going to be recognized as a mistake when they realize he does not have the size and speed to take on offensive lineman rolling around the corner, and that he is probably not going to be helping that candy--- knee of his playing at that position. Also, the defense had an edge when facing the Redskins at home last year when Pierce knew what offensive call was being made, let's see how successful he can guess what Saunders will play call next. The addition of Plax helped out last year, in addition to the year Tiki had, but Tiki is not going to be able to put up same numbers because he will be facing better defenses that know how to tackle him. Shockey needs to remain healthy and involve himself in all aspects of the game throughout an entire game. Shockey and Plex are annoying the bejeepers out of Coughlin for the lack of participation in his offseason program currently. It is bound to blow up in the lockerroom sooner than later. The chemistry between players is just not there. Shockey and Plex need to get on the program before off-the-field issues enter the on-field ones. Defensively, their secondary will get lit up time and again this year [Patterson just released leaving them with Deloach/Madison/McQuarters and Webster as their corners?], it will be up to Mike and Osi to provide pressure up front. I am surprised of their first round draft pick in Kiawenuka when they should have gone the CB route. I will grant that the Giants have an explosive offense, but I think the defenses within the division will give that offense a hard time.

Redskins, well I think their liability will actually be in the transition to the new type of offense. This is going to work both ways, they will either be super explosive or have difficulties at the onset of the year. Al Saunders is a top offensive genius known for an intricate system. It is going to be interesting to watch how your defensive coordinator is going to try to game plan against Al Saunders, there will be 1 week of game tape to "try" to predict what to expect with Saunders' notoriously infamous "unpredictable" play calling [he is reputed to not call the same play for a few weeks] {There is no game tape of Saunders except with Kansas City personnel}
They obviously have an explosive defense, which only got better with the addition of Carter on the end. They will now have a legitimate pass rushing end that had been sorely lacking for years. Because of this, they will be able to get similar pressure without needing more people to create the pressure. This translates into more men back into coverage, try running and their front four will eat the run alive.

I think the Redskins will be the hardest 2 divisional games for the Cowboys this year. Moss and Lloyd separately lit up the Cowboys secondary last year and now they are on the same team. Defensively TO has been handled most effectively by the Redskins in the past. TO impact has been reduced effectively by the Redskins D, and he is going to get the same results when he faces the stingy defense of his former team. The Redskins depth in the coverage game just vastly improved: they have 3 starters in Springs, Rogers and Wright, and have linebackers and safeties who are great in coverage. Try running against them and you will have the line to deal with [they were ranked pretty high defensively in the run game] in addition to the hard hitting Archuletta who is known for his run stopping hits.

The key to victory in Redskins/Cowboys showdown will start and end with the offensive lines upfront.

2: Barring injuries, that is what everything comes down to unfortunately.



Prediction wise, I put the winner of the division at 10 or 11 games. 12 is not going to happen. I will not call the winner right now, I will just state that it will be the team that can remain injury free and can protect the QB and play mistake free football.

[fanfromarizona]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

What version? Yours?

You know what? I think I just gained a tiny bit of respect for the RedStink fans and Green Slime Bird fans that come here and at least acknowledge who they are! :eek:


(i wonder if this guy is out talking to himself right now)?

:laugh2:

nope I was out being a fatherly figure to my children. And I thought we conversed here on football and not digress by slinging personal vitrioules around. I have not said anything offensive here, I have expressed my opinions on all 4 teams, mine included, and I would like the same respect afforded me. Instead, try to make points like I have done that state why you feel the Cowboys might win 11, 12 or 13 games this year and stop bashing my desire to have my team remain anonymous.

do you think it's possible for you and I to have an intelligent conversation?
Which team I support is not germaine to this thread. End of story.

[fanfromarizona]

Hope to see you back, personally I don't care who you root for. As long as your not just a negitive troll and like good football discussions, I'm fine with that.

I hope my post [#113] is a good start. I love to talk football and will not bash for the sake of being a homer of my team, which I am sure you have figured out is NOT the AZ Cardinals.

[Hostile]

I hope my post [#113] is a good start. I love to talk football and will not bash for the sake of being a homer of my team, which I am sure you have figured out is NOT the AZ Cardinals.Right. Us Arizonans do not like the Cardinals. Solidarity on that front.

[BigDFan5]

nope I was out being a fatherly figure to my children. And I thought we conversed here on football and not digress by slinging personal vitrioules around. I have not said anything offensive here, I have expressed my opinions on all 4 teams, mine included, and I would like the same respect afforded me. Instead, try to make points like I have done that state why you feel the Cowboys might win 11, 12 or 13 games this year and stop bashing my desire to have my team remain anonymous.

do you think it's possible for you and I to have an intelligent conversation?
Which team I support is not germaine to this thread. End of story.

You keep asking for an intelligent discussion, but you only want to discuss your percieved weaknesses of the Dallas Cowboys, and are either too scared, or ashamed to say what team you support. In order to have an intelligent discussion then the discussion should not be one sided. State which team you support, and as long as you remain civil as you have so far you will be treated the same.

[Cogan]

Call it a gut feeling but I think Parcells likes what he saw in Skyler Green, if the coach isn't on you then you have to be worried!! Green will be a great draft pick for the Cowboys because of his versatility.

I sure hope you're right. I hated this pick more than the rest, because Rob Sims, OG, Ohio St. was picked a few places later. They can spin that "Best Available Player" nonsense all they want, but if they had Skyler Green as the best football player at that spot on their board, with players like Rob Sims still on the board, then they need to stop smokin' that stuff............:laugh1:

[DallasEast]

Point by point:Nice post.

You really didn't address point 5. ;)1 and 3 combined: 5 and 1 within the division? WOW. That's bold. But we'll be cool if we agree to disagree. If you believe anyone can go 5 and 1, you would have to give that chance to the Redskins based on last year's performance, and I am sure you will agree that was a HAIL MARY fluke of nature for them to do last year [they should have been 4-2].

I don't see ANY TEAM going 5-1 this year in the division, the best I see is 4-2. If you feel point 3 is possible, then I suppose point 1 is valid, but I will respectfully disagree with you on both points.I'll caution you, as I would any fan, to not depend one's opinion so much on 'past performance' in today's NFL. While I agree that 5-1 is a stretch, it is not outside the realm of possibility. The necessary factor of this materializing is for one of the teams to have a dominant run within the division this season. Not likely given the overall balance from top to bottom, but not impossible. We'll see.On the basis of last year's actual performance adjusted for the net adjustments of all 4 teams, I think we would agree that the Giants had a flukish year with the additional "road" game at the Meadowlands against the Saints and the tackling abilities of some teams [like Kansas City] and the stupid playcalling of Norv Turner [1 minute late in the game and he can't score a TD from within the 5?] could have EASILY led to a much different record, in fact out of the playoffs. But last year is done now.

Philadelphia was ravaged by injury and controversy, they will rebound back, after all, they were the division winner for quite a few years with the exception of last year. They will not go 0-6 this year in the division. They still need to prove they can play a balanced game, which they are going to be forced into because they dont have a true deep passing threat [possibly Reggie Brown...but that is definitely a downgrade from TO]. Their defense will keep them in games, and their premiere offensive weapon will be returning from injury: Brian Westbrook.Agreed.
Redskins made the playoffs, and went the furthest in the playoffs of all 4 teams, they were banged up heading into Seattle and gave Seattle a good game. The nucleus of the team returns back this year and they attempted to address areas of weaknesses with flashy signings of Randel El, Carter and Archuletta, and later with not-so-noticed signings of Collins [to teach Saunders system], Fauria[run blocking TE], Wright [starting CB from Jax], and the trade for Brandon Lloyd.I would categorize the signings as expensive, but not 'flashy'. JMO.Giants have the HARDEST schedule to face this year and it's going to affect them. Putting Lavar Arrington at the sam is going to be recognized as a mistake when they realize he does not have the size and speed to take on offensive lineman rolling around the corner, and that he is probably not going to be helping that candy--- knee of his playing at that position. Also, the defense had an edge when facing the Redskins at home last year when Pierce knew what offensive call was being made, let's see how successful he can guess what Saunders will play call next. The addition of Plax helped out last year, in addition to the year Tiki had, but Tiki is not going to be able to put up same numbers because he will be facing better defenses that know how to tackle him. Shockey needs to remain healthy and involve himself in all aspects of the game throughout an entire game. Shockey and Plex are annoying the bejeepers out of Coughlin for the lack of participation in his offseason program currently. It is bound to blow up in the lockerroom sooner than later. The chemistry between players is just not there. Shockey and Plex need to get on the program before off-the-field issues enter the on-field ones. Defensively, their secondary will get lit up time and again this year [Patterson just released leaving them with Deloach/Madison/McQuarters and Webster as their corners?], it will be up to Mike and Osi to provide pressure up front. I am surprised of their first round draft pick in Kiawenuka when they should have gone the CB route. I will grant that the Giants have an explosive offense, but I think the defenses within the division will give that offense a hard time.Nice take. :) Redskins, well I think their liability will actually be in the transition to the new type of offense. This is going to work both ways, they will either be super explosive or have difficulties at the onset of the year. Al Saunders is a top offensive genius known for an intricate system. It is going to be interesting to watch how your defensive coordinator is going to try to game plan against Al Saunders, there will be 1 week of game tape to "try" to predict what to expect with Saunders' notoriously infamous "unpredictable" play calling [he is reputed to not call the same play for a few weeks] {There is no game tape of Saunders except with Kansas City personnel}

They obviously have an explosive defense, which only got better with the addition of Carter on the end. They will now have a legitimate pass rushing end that had been sorely lacking for years. Because of this, they will be able to get similar pressure without needing more people to create the pressure. This translates into more men back into coverage, try running and their front four will eat the run alive.

I think the Redskins will be the hardest 2 divisional games for the Cowboys this year. Moss and Lloyd separately lit up the Cowboys secondary last year and now they are on the same team. Defensively TO has been handled most effectively by the Redskins in the past. TO impact has been reduced effectively by the Redskins D, and he is going to get the same results when he faces the stingy defense of his former team. The Redskins depth in the coverage game just vastly improved: they have 3 starters in Springs, Rogers and Wright, and have linebackers and safeties who are great in coverage. Try running against them and you will have the line to deal with [they were ranked pretty high defensively in the run game] in addition to the hard hitting Archuletta who is known for his run stopping hits.

The key to victory in Redskins/Cowboys showdown will start and end with the offensive lines upfront.Redskins, again? Interesting...

The real key to a Washington split or sweep of the Cowboys will be IF Terrell Owens can be a role player in this offense. Washington's defense is built to primarily stop the run. Dallas' firm commitment to the 2-TE set will not only help Jones and Barber offset that strength, but any defensive coordinator will have to account with Owens with double or triple coverage. If not, Owens will have a field day both games. If so, Glenn, Witten and possibly Fasano will eat up the Redskins' defense in both the short and deep game. Pick your poison. And I will guarantee you this...

There will be no repeat of the game two meltdown this year. That personally embarrassed Parcells. Don't hold your breath to see it again.

There will be no repeat of Moss flying pass dumbfounded safeties this year.

Whoever is the starting quarterback is in either game, he will have a pass rush to contend with this year. He won't be running around like a chicken with his head cut off long enough to heave any passes to Moss or Lloyd. Book it.

And Portis better pray he can pound it up the middle because the LB speed on either side will contain many of his off tackle runs and sweeps.2: Barring injuries, that is what everything comes down to unfortunately.Not necessarily.

Case in point. The 2004 Patriots. Even though they sustained injuries to either starters or players who clocked considerable minutes such as Ty Law (CB), Tyrone Poole (CB), Tom Ashworth (OT), Adrian Klemm (OT), Benjamin Watson (TE), etc., it didn't prevent them from winning the Super Bowl. Again, quality depth and coaching can overcome injuries to starters. That's been proven time and time again.Prediction wise, I put the winner of the division at 10 or 11 games. 12 is not going to happen. I will not call the winner right now, I will just state that it will be the team that can remain injury free and can protect the QB and play mistake free football.That's what most successful teams hope for and usually receive.

[fanfromarizona]

You keep asking for an intelligent discussion, but you only want to discuss your percieved weaknesses of the Dallas Cowboys, and are either too scared, or ashamed to say what team you support. In order to have an intelligent discussion then the discussion should not be one sided. State which team you support, and as long as you remain civil as you have so far you will be treated the same.

I am curious if you feel your OLine and Running Back situation was handled properly this offseason. Do you perceive them as weaknesses this year [as they were taken advantage of in the latter part of last year?]

Do you think the Cowboys will be able to win 11..12...13 games? How many and on what strengths: defense? Passing game? Special Teams with the addition of Vanderjagt? a combination of things?

Who do you think will be the hardest divisional foe? The easiest [if one exists]? Feel free to discuss the other 3 teams with their strengths and weaknesses and how the Cowboys will match up with the Giants/Eagles/Redskins this year. I will remain civil and will let you know my agreement or disagreement to anything posted.

I for one feel Dallas is going to give all 3 teams a good game. Nice and close, down to the 4th quarter. And I even think the Cowboys will finish in second place this year with a playoff berth as a wildcard.

[big dog cowboy]

I sure hope you're right. I hated this pick more than the rest, because Rob Sims, OG, Ohio St. was picked a few places later. They can spin that "Best Available Player" nonsense all they want, but if they had Skyler Green as the best football player at that spot on their board, with players like Rob Sims still on the board, then they need to stop smokin' that stuff............:laugh1:
BP desperately wanted to upgrade the return game. They targeted 4 players. Green was the last one available. The choice was to go with Green or go another direction. I don't know what the other direction would have been, but at that point in the draft I am very happy we got a guy that can impact our return game this year starting in Jacksonville rather than get another O-line project. I don't think that pick had anything to do with the "Best Available Player" theory.

[BigDFan5]

I am curious if you feel your OLine and Running Back situation was handled properly this offseason. Do you perceive them as weaknesses this year [as they were taken advantage of in the latter part of last year?]

Do you think the Cowboys will be able to win 11..12...13 games? How many and on what strengths: defense? Passing game? Special Teams with the addition of Vanderjagt? a combination of things?

Who do you think will be the hardest divisional foe? The easiest [if one exists]? Feel free to discuss the other 3 teams with their strengths and weaknesses and how the Cowboys will match up with the Giants/Eagles/Redskins this year. I will remain civil and will let you know my agreement or disagreement to anything posted.

I for one feel Dallas is going to give all 3 teams a good game. Nice and close, down to the 4th quarter. And I even think the Cowboys will finish in second place this year with a playoff berth as a wildcard.


I feel no need to discuss anything with someone who is afraid to state where their allegiances lie. (Redskins)

If you wish to have discussions about the division's teams, state which one you support and then we will all be on equal footing and be able to have the intelligent discussion you say you want. Otherwise its just you hiding behind a noncommital name.

[5Stars]

I feel no need to discuss anything with someone who is afraid to state where their allegiances lie. (Redskins)

If you wish to have discussions about the division's teams, state which one you support and then we will all be on equal footing and be able to have the intelligent discussion you say you want. Otherwise its just you hiding behind a noncommital name.

That's what cowards usually do...:cool: now, that's the logic of a troll...hit and run....hide and seek!

:star:

[peplaw06]

nope I was out being a fatherly figure to my children. And I thought we conversed here on football and not digress by slinging personal vitrioules around. I have not said anything offensive here, I have expressed my opinions on all 4 teams, mine included, and I would like the same respect afforded me. Instead, try to make points like I have done that state why you feel the Cowboys might win 11, 12 or 13 games this year and stop bashing my desire to have my team remain anonymous.

do you think it's possible for you and I to have an intelligent conversation?
Which team I support is not germaine to this thread. End of story.
Umm, I'll jump in here and take a stab at this one....

You can find this breakdown lots of places in the forum here. Considering we were 9-7 last year, while losing three games that would have been iced with a true NFL kicker (Washington game 1, Denver, Seattle), that puts 12-4 in reach of LAST YEAR'S team with the addition of Vanderjagt. Throw in TO, the two TE set, some improvements on the line (remains to be seen if they'll work, but we made moves), and hopefully some help at FS with one of our two additions back there, and 13-3 is not out of the question. And yes, most people around here aren't worried about our RB situation. Give us some time to see this new line in action. We saw what JJ could do in his first year and the CAR game last year when he has blocking and is healthy. And MB3 has shown flashes.

Will 13-3 happen?? Who knows, but it's not a completely indefensible position.

[5Stars]

Geez i kind of wanted 5 stars :( :)

Here you go...two more!

:starspin :starspin :)

[fanfromarizona]

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Originally Posted by fanfromarizona
Point by point:

Nice post.

Back to you man, nicely stated.

You really didn't address point 5. ;)

Ok, for you, and because you make intelligent discussion, I am a fan of the Redskins.

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Originally Posted by fanfromarizona
1 and 3 combined: 5 and 1 within the division? WOW. That's bold. But we'll be cool if we agree to disagree. If you believe anyone can go 5 and 1, you would have to give that chance to the Redskins based on last year's performance, and I am sure you will agree that was a HAIL MARY fluke of nature for them to do last year [they should have been 4-2].

I don't see ANY TEAM going 5-1 this year in the division, the best I see is 4-2. If you feel point 3 is possible, then I suppose point 1 is valid, but I will respectfully disagree with you on both points.

I'll caution you, as I would any fan, to not depend one's opinion so much on 'past performance' in today's NFL. While I agree that 5-1 is a stretch, it is not outside the realm of possibility. The necessary factor of this materializing is for one of the teams to have a dominant run within the division this season. Not likely given the overall balance from top to bottom, but not impossible. We'll see.

Agreed. As banks are fond of stating, "past performance is no guarantee of future returns." But predicting the future usually starts with a good idea of past performance.
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Originally Posted by fanfromarizona
On the basis of last year's actual performance adjusted for the net adjustments of all 4 teams, I think we would agree that the Giants had a flukish year with the additional "road" game at the Meadowlands against the Saints and the tackling abilities of some teams [like Kansas City] and the stupid playcalling of Norv Turner [1 minute late in the game and he can't score a TD from within the 5?] could have EASILY led to a much different record, in fact out of the playoffs. But last year is done now.

Philadelphia was ravaged by injury and controversy, they will rebound back, after all, they were the division winner for quite a few years with the exception of last year. They will not go 0-6 this year in the division. They still need to prove they can play a balanced game, which they are going to be forced into because they dont have a true deep passing threat [possibly Reggie Brown...but that is definitely a downgrade from TO]. Their defense will keep them in games, and their premiere offensive weapon will be returning from injury: Brian Westbrook.

Agreed.
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Originally Posted by fanfromarizona
Redskins made the playoffs, and went the furthest in the playoffs of all 4 teams, they were banged up heading into Seattle and gave Seattle a good game. The nucleus of the team returns back this year and they attempted to address areas of weaknesses with flashy signings of Randel El, Carter and Archuletta, and later with not-so-noticed signings of Collins [to teach Saunders system], Fauria[run blocking TE], Wright [starting CB from Jax], and the trade for Brandon Lloyd.

I would categorize the signings as expensive, but not 'flashy'. JMO.

I have to laugh about this argument, these contracts are always backloaded. They are really 3 year contracts with creative language in them. The first 3 years are cap friendly, it's the latter part that makes them interesting. At the point they become cap-unfriendly they either are discarded or the bonus/salary is converted to a signing bonus. That is how they manage the cap.

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Originally Posted by fanfromarizona
Giants have the HARDEST schedule to face this year and it's going to affect them. Putting Lavar Arrington at the sam is going to be recognized as a mistake when they realize he does not have the size and speed to take on offensive lineman rolling around the corner, and that he is probably not going to be helping that candy--- knee of his playing at that position. Also, the defense had an edge when facing the Redskins at home last year when Pierce knew what offensive call was being made, let's see how successful he can guess what Saunders will play call next. The addition of Plax helped out last year, in addition to the year Tiki had, but Tiki is not going to be able to put up same numbers because he will be facing better defenses that know how to tackle him. Shockey needs to remain healthy and involve himself in all aspects of the game throughout an entire game. Shockey and Plex are annoying the bejeepers out of Coughlin for the lack of participation in his offseason program currently. It is bound to blow up in the lockerroom sooner than later. The chemistry between players is just not there. Shockey and Plex need to get on the program before off-the-field issues enter the on-field ones. Defensively, their secondary will get lit up time and again this year [Patterson just released leaving them with Deloach/Madison/McQuarters and Webster as their corners?], it will be up to Mike and Osi to provide pressure up front. I am surprised of their first round draft pick in Kiawenuka when they should have gone the CB route. I will grant that the Giants have an explosive offense, but I think the defenses within the division will give that offense a hard time.

Nice take. :)
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Originally Posted by fanfromarizona
Redskins, well I think their liability will actually be in the transition to the new type of offense. This is going to work both ways, they will either be super explosive or have difficulties at the onset of the year. Al Saunders is a top offensive genius known for an intricate system. It is going to be interesting to watch how your defensive coordinator is going to try to game plan against Al Saunders, there will be 1 week of game tape to "try" to predict what to expect with Saunders' notoriously infamous "unpredictable" play calling [he is reputed to not call the same play for a few weeks] {There is no game tape of Saunders except with Kansas City personnel}

They obviously have an explosive defense, which only got better with the addition of Carter on the end. They will now have a legitimate pass rushing end that had been sorely lacking for years. Because of this, they will be able to get similar pressure without needing more people to create the pressure. This translates into more men back into coverage, try running and their front four will eat the run alive.

I think the Redskins will be the hardest 2 divisional games for the Cowboys this year. Moss and Lloyd separately lit up the Cowboys secondary last year and now they are on the same team. Defensively TO has been handled most effectively by the Redskins in the past. TO impact has been reduced effectively by the Redskins D, and he is going to get the same results when he faces the stingy defense of his former team. The Redskins depth in the coverage game just vastly improved: they have 3 starters in Springs, Rogers and Wright, and have linebackers and safeties who are great in coverage. Try running against them and you will have the line to deal with [they were ranked pretty high defensively in the run game] in addition to the hard hitting Archuletta who is known for his run stopping hits.

The key to victory in Redskins/Cowboys showdown will start and end with the offensive lines upfront.

Redskins, again? Interesting...

The real key to a Washington split or sweep of the Cowboys will be IF Terrell Owens can be a role player in this offense. Washington's defense is built to primarily stop the run.

Sorry, I have to disagree with that. It will be even steven, 5 up, 6 back in coverage. We stop the run AND leave corners on an island by themselves in coverage. I think we can man up nicely with what you have without the need to triple cover TO. The Redskins have been able to contain him before without triple coverage, the addition of Wright [a starter from the Jax last year] will also help out in coverage. Our linebackers of Lemar Marshall, Marcus Washington, and our feared safety all have good pass covering skills. Try to run? You'll be dealing with the likes of the front four and Archuletta.

Dallas' firm commitment to the 2-TE set will not only help Jones and Barber offset that strength, but any defensive coordinator will have to account with Owens with double or triple coverage. If not, Owens will have a field day both games. If so, Glenn, Witten and possibly Fasano will eat up the Redskins' defense in both the short and deep game. Pick your poison.

We have figured out how to defend TO with single and double coverage. He will not be getting triple coverage from us. 6 back in coverage for the likes of TO, Glenn, Witten and Fasano, going against Springs, Rogers, Wright, Marshall, Washington and Taylor. I think I'll take my chances.
TO stats against Springs and the Redskins in case you were not aware of them: [these are from 2004, as he did not play either game last year against them]: He had 8 catches for 70 yards and 1 TD in 2004 against the Skins. In his career, he has 18 catches, 201 yards(plus 38 yards rushing) 2 TD in 7 games against the Skins.

Statistically last year you scored 20 points on us. You have added Fasano and TO on offense and possibly the development of a better running game. We have added Carter on the end, Adam Archuletta for run support, and Kenny Wright as a nickelback, and return with the same core that gave us the #5 run defense.

And I will guarantee you this...

There will be no repeat of the game two meltdown this year. That personally embarrassed Parcells. Don't hold your breath to see it again.

There will be no repeat of Moss flying pass dumbfounded safeties this year.

Now to the Skins matching up against your secondary: Out of five players, you will be facing different packages that will be comprised of Portis, Cooley. Moss, Lloyd, Randel El, David Patten. These later weapons were not there last year. We now have double the ammunition. Lloyd also proved to be a problem in your game last year. I believe he had 200 yards that day and had definitely 1 TD [ a LONG 70 yarder] and possibly 2 if I remember correctly. We are not tall, but you will not be able to play bump at the line with our WRs, if you miss these speedsters they will create a mismatch in the secondary being matched up against either a LB or safety . Alternatively if not playing cover two they will never get caught until they reach the endzone. Dont play the line and you have just reduced the number of players playing up to stop Clinton Portis. Our own version of pick your poison. Play up and risk being taken long by air, play back and give Clinton a better yac statistic.

Whoever is the starting quarterback is in either game, he will have a pass rush to contend with this year. He won't be running around like a chicken with his head cut off long enough to heave any passes to Moss or Lloyd. Book it.

This will be what will win the game: more time to throw. Brunell and Bledsoe can shred either defense alive if given the time. Brunell has better escapability and the know how to throw the ball away as opposed to throwing an interception. He is more mobile and is harder to sack than Bledsoe.
Also our line has been together for 3 years now.

And Portis better pray he can pound it up the middle because the LB speed on either side will contain many of his off tackle runs and sweeps.

Your defense did an AWESOME job of containing Portis last year in week 2. But you do need to factor in how much personnel you had to commit to this. Our X-factor will be how much you will need to respect our speedsters going deep on you. Will you play cover two and take your chances covering 3 fast receivers in the form of Moss, Lloyd and Patten/Randel El? To adequately shut down Portis, you will need close to 6 or 7 up close to the line to shut down Portis. You were able to do that last year in the absence of other verifiable threats, but will you be able to do that this year? Will be an interesting watch.

I am perplexed with the Carpenter pick after the signing of Ogunlye and your use of a draft pick last year on the position. I am also perplexed with the Fasano draft, but do see some merit to the thought process. I actually think we will get a mismatch possibly by having Rogers cover him and having Rogers come on a corner blitz. It will interesting to see if Fasano will be able to block.
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Originally Posted by fanfromarizona
2: Barring injuries, that is what everything comes down to unfortunately.

Not necessarily.

Case in point. The 2004 Patriots. Even though they sustained injuries to either starters or players who clocked considerable minutes such as Ty Law (CB), Tyrone Poole (CB), Tom Ashworth (OT), Adrian Klemm (OT), Benjamin Watson (TE), etc., it didn't prevent them from winning the Super Bowl. Again, quality depth and coaching can overcome injuries to starters. That's been proven time and time again.
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Originally Posted by fanfromarizona
Prediction wise, I put the winner of the division at 10 or 11 games. 12 is not going to happen. I will not call the winner right now, I will just state that it will be the team that can remain injury free and can protect the QB and play mistake free football.

That's what most successful teams hope for and usually receive.

Here's to the start of football.

[The Answer]

Apparantly great minds think alike because The Answer also predicts what the playmaker has: 13-3 and another world title!

~The Answer

[RealCowboyfan]

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I have a question for you:

Compared to the Dallas Cowboys with currently 5 superbowl rings, how many does your team have?

Do they have more than the Dallas Cowboys?:starspin :lmao2: :dissskin: :skins: :hammer:

COWBOY FANS HOPEFULLY IRVIN IS RIGHT:starspin

[stilltheguru]

it was obvious this guy was a skins fan.lol VERY OBVIOUS