Cowboys winning the Superbowl?

[BigDFan5]

A comparison poll, made in conjuntion with one on the Skins board to see the differences in opinions

Question is will Dallas win the superbowl

[Silver Bullet]

As long as the Redskins don't win it, I'm happy...

:D

To answer your question,

I don't know, it's very very very premature to predict any of this at this point.

:huh:

[RCowboyFan]

Assuming you are asking about this year only and not about ever again, I don't think cowboys will. I see too much hype about cowboys for me comfort and too many questions, especially at OL and then QB, in big games especially to make me totally a believer yet. I could change my mind in december maybe :D

[burmafrd]

INJURIES. That is what the NFL is all about now. The team with the least or best able to compensate will win it all.

[cobra]

We need to win a playoff game before we talk about winning the Bowl.

But in today's NFL, I think we have a good chance to be one of the teams.

[tyke1doe]

Right now, I say no.
Reasons?

Too many uncertainties on the offensive line.
Assuming that the defense will improve but can't be certain.
Bledsoe is still immobile quarterback who can be taken advantage of in the playoffs and in the big game.

But, if ...

the offensive line improves,
Julius Jones remains healthy
the defense improves, including a better pass rush
we find a free safety that allows Roy to play closer to the line
and if TO is TO

then I like our chances to win because we're built to win close games and TO is that X factor that Steve Smith or Mushin Muhammad were not when the Panthers played the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

If we had to play the Steelers, I don't like the Steelers' pass rush against the Cowboys offensive line. If we play the Pats, I like our chances better because the Pats defense isn't as strong as it once was, still Brady scares me.

If we have to play the Colts, we win going away as I believe Peyton can be rattled.

Still, I say we win one playoff game, maybe get to the NFC Championship game. We can go further if everything breaks right, but I'm not willing to say Super Bowl just yet.

[Duane]

I doubt we make it. There are too many question marks on the team, especially the offensive line.

[jackrussell]

As long as the Redskins don't win it, I'm happy...

:D

To answer your question,

I don't know, it's very very very premature to predict any of this at this point.

:huh:





No, it aint.
Dallas will
not win it.

[burmafrd]

IF the O line plays UP to its ability and we have no serious injuries- then we have a very good shot at it all. I am not all that worried about the Steeler pass rush- its not as good as the Giants.

[RealCowboyfan]

I think the Cowboys will win it if everybody stay healthy and learn how to play with each other. We already have what we need for a superbowl except two questions: Whether the offensive line going to hold up for a statuelize quarterback in Bledsoe? and whether our secondary could stay healthy.

[RiggoForever]

Skins/Cowboys NFC Championship game. I'm calling it now.

[Future]

Skins/Cowboys NFC Championship game. I'm calling it now.

no way do the skins get that far...no way jose

[Chuck 54]

If any of the guys who say yes for Dallas want to make a wager of 1 hundred dollars, taking Dallas and giving me the rest of the NFL, I'll be happy to cover as many bets as I can without risking my home. We can keep a record right here and find a way to have someone trusted on the board to hold our money.

I need some investments that are heavily in my favor with three children in college this year. :D

[iceberg]

I think the Cowboys will win it if everybody stay healthy and learn how to play with each other. We already have what we need for a superbowl except two questions: Whether the offensive line going to hold up for a statuelize quarterback in Bledsoe? and whether our secondary could stay healthy.

this kinda works for many teams - staying healthy is a key for almost everyone these days.

[KINGBRICE_28]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I came over here to see if you guys had a thread about the one over there and bingo.....will ya look at that.....

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Will the cowboys be the the NFC C-game yes.......will they win.......I think injuries will get'm crushed.........

[RiggoForever]

no way do the skins get that far...no way jose

Came within 1 game of it this past year, how about you? :)

[t.o.boys81]

Came within 1 game of it this past year, how about you? :)

Key word is LAST year. This is a whole new year and the Cowboys are built to go farther than the Skins.

[RiggoForever]

Key word is LAST year. This is a whole new year and the Cowboys are built to go farther than the Skins.

According to some, not to all.

[Eskimo]

Based on random chance we have about a 97% chance of not winning the Super Bowl.

This should be a playoff caliber team but with the weakness at OL and NT, I don't believe this team can make it all the way to the Super Bowl. However, this is probably the best Cowboys team since 1996 - the last year we won a playoff game.

[Cowchips]

Skins/Cowboys NFC Championship game. I'm calling it now.

I can't see Brunnell staying healthy for another full season. Could happen but odds are he will break down. Last year was a fluke for him.

[Eddie]

Came within 1 game of it this past year, how about you? :)


Don't argue with Cowboy fans. Don't you know there are a few unwritten laws ...

1) Cowboys are always better than other teams. Never question.
2) Cowboy players are always superior to those of other teams.
3) No matter how poorly the Cowboys play, the Cowboys fandom will always try to bring down other teams' achievements to make themselves feel better.
4) If all else fails, Cowboy fans will point to the 3 Super Bowls from over 10 years ago as proof of our superiority to this league.

[Eddie]

Key word is LAST year. This is a whole new year and the Cowboys are built to go farther than the Skins.

Case in point. :bang2:

[Eddie]

Based on random chance we have about a 97% chance of not winning the Super Bowl.

This should be a playoff caliber team but with the weakness at OL and NT, I don't believe this team can make it all the way to the Super Bowl. However, this is probably the best Cowboys team since 1996 - the last year we won a playoff game.


I don't know ... that 1996 team was a BS call on Michael Irvin away from being in the NFC Championship game. Not making excuses, but that was a strong team. Not sure we're there yet.

I think we have our best team since 1998, where we went 10-6 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. The 1999 8-8 team was probably better than our 10-6 team of 2003.

[demdcowboys#1]

Its early, but yes!!!!!!!!!

[Everlastingxxx]

Yes.

And i have a 50 dollar bet to back it up.

[ravidubey]

Strange website to pose this question. Of course we win it all!!

You can't say anyone out there is clearly better. No way, not with any certainty. That said, what team do you root for?

[Doomsday101]

I had to vote no at this time there is not enough evidence to show if Dallas has taken the next step and we will not know this until they hit the field.

[REDVOLUTION]

Assuming you are asking about this year only and not about ever again, I don't think cowboys will. I see too much hype about cowboys for me comfort and too many questions, especially at OL and then QB, in big games especially to make me totally a believer yet. I could change my mind in december maybe :D

I hear ya... but after the Steelers won the way they won I feel we have a better shot than that!

[RCowboyFan]

I hear ya... but after the Steelers won the way they won I feel we have a better shot than that!

Well, Big Ben played very well upto to SB on the road. In SB he stunk but Refs bailed them out. I don't expect that to happen to Cowboys. Nothing in Drew Bledsoe's history suggests that he plays very well under pressure. So for Cowboys to get to Big Dance, rest of the team has to play extrodinarily well, so that there is no pressure on Bledsoe to play really well to win the game. I.e. Bledsoe should be relegated to BP's favorite term , Bus Driver.

So lots of ifs and buts for me right now.

[iceberg]

I hear ya... but after the Steelers won the way they won I feel we have a better shot than that!

after seeing the steelers and the way they won, i give more credilbity to the NFL having "predicted" outcomes.

[Arch Stanton]

Skins/Cowboys NFC Championship game. I'm calling it now.

Wouldn't that be fun? :) I'd hate to be a mod of both message boards the week before the game. :eek:
The game would be played at Texas Stadium due to us having homefield advantage. :p:

BTW, I voted no as at the moment I feel there are still a few questions to be answered.

[Holloway805]

If any of the guys who say yes for Dallas want to make a wager of 1 hundred dollars, taking Dallas and giving me the rest of the NFL, I'll be happy to cover as many bets as I can without risking my home. We can keep a record right here and find a way to have someone trusted on the board to hold our money.

I need some investments that are heavily in my favor with three children in college this year. :DThe odds are 31-1 in your favor. Way to step out on a limb.

[Everlastingxxx]

If any of the guys who say yes for Dallas want to make a wager of 1 hundred dollars, taking Dallas and giving me the rest of the NFL, I'll be happy to cover as many bets as I can without risking my home. We can keep a record right here and find a way to have someone trusted on the board to hold our money.

I need some investments that are heavily in my favor with three children in college this year. :D

I already have a 50 dollar bet with someone else. I would be willing to bet you 50 dollars that the Cowboys will at least get to the Super Bowl. We can use paypal. Nobody needs to hold the money, just keep your word.

[dargonking999]

young fast, strong, Def

vetran, explosive offense.

There isnt a team in the league thats ready.

[stasheroo]

I have a lot less "questions" about this team than some others do.

I look at the positives from last season, coupled with the positives from this offseason.

Ask yourselves this:

Would last year's team have finished 11-5 with even "average" kicking?

I say YES

Will 2006 Petitti and Fabini be at least somewhat better than 2005 Petitti?

I say YES

Will Terrell Owens at least be somewhat better than Keyshawn was last season?

I say YES

Will the defense be better with a year's experience for both last year's rookies and increased familiarity with the 3-4 defense?

I say YES

Will the combination of Flozell Adams' return and Jason Fabini as insurance (to say nothing of Marc Columbo) be better than Torrin Tucker was at LT?

I say YES

I could go on, but just looking at these significant improvements made to a 9-7 team that barely missed the playoff last year gives me plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the 2006 season!

:lombardi:

[Eskimo]

I don't know ... that 1996 team was a BS call on Michael Irvin away from being in the NFC Championship game. Not making excuses, but that was a strong team. Not sure we're there yet.

I think we have our best team since 1998, where we went 10-6 and lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. The 1999 8-8 team was probably better than our 10-6 team of 2003.

I don't think the 1998 team was all that great and was clearly a team on the decline. That team got its record by beating up on a creampuff NFC East from what I recall. This team should be better than that team but is not as good as the 1996 team which was one year removed from the Super Bowl.

[Eddie]

I don't think the 1998 team was all that great and was clearly a team on the decline. That team got its record by beating up on a creampuff NFC East from what I recall. This team should be better than that team but is not as good as the 1996 team which was one year removed from the Super Bowl.


I agree, the 98 team was definitely on the decline, but still a pretty good team. We were 3-0 until Michael went down in 99.

I think this team is at least on level with the 98 team. I'm hoping this team is on the rise.

We have to nail a few playoff wins this year ... to make up for the decade's absense.

[kartr]

We need to win a playoff game before we talk about winning the Bowl.

But in today's NFL, I think we have a good chance to be one of the teams.

With Bledsoe, he has to prove he can get a team to the playoffs again, first. We also have a bunch of potential playoff teams on our schedule,plus, we couldn't make it with a lot of teams having several devastating injuries like the Eagles, the Packers, the Rams. Chicago made it with a rookie qb, but we couldn't with Bledsoe. Minnesota almost made it without Moss and Culpepper, but we couldn't.

[kartr]

no way do the skins get that far...no way jose

The Skins were better than us last year and have gotten better on offense and defense, while we basically stayed in the same place.

[Alexander]

The Skins were better than us last year and have gotten better on offense

Let me guess, because of Jason Campbell?

[superpunk]

The Skins were better than us last year and have gotten better on offense and defense, while we basically stayed in the same place.

If we had only drafted Omar Jacobs......

BLAST!

[superpunk]

Let me guess, because of Jason Campbell?
touche'. lol

[Hostile]

The Skins were better than us last year and have gotten better on offense and defense, while we basically stayed in the same place.It's too early in the day to be smashed.

We got way better on ST just by adding Vanderjagt.

We improved the O-line overall.

We improved at WR.

So the offense got better not stayed the same.

We improved the LB corps consideably.

We improved at FS considerably.

We added depth on the DL.

Where is this stasis you are blabbering about?

[superpunk]

Where is this stasis you are blabbering about?

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/253840.jpg

[kartr]

Let me guess, because of Jason Campbell?

Hey smart guy, I said offense and defense, Campbell doesn't play defense, but he is better than either of our backup qbs. I was actually talking about Brandon Lloyd and Randle El on offense and Andre Carter and Adam Archuleta on defense. On Campbell, we do know that if he has a decent running game, he can win games.

[superpunk]

I forgot

http://www.sportalicious.com/Images/queeereyeparcells.jpg

[kartr]

If we had only drafted Omar Jacobs......

BLAST!

Jacobs will be NFL starter before either Henson or Romo, so what's your point.

[cobra]

Let me guess, because of Jason Campbell?

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

OWNED. :lmao2::lmao:

[Alexander]

Hey smart guy, I said offense and defense

Wait, doesn't Campbell play on offense?

[Alexander]

Jacobs will be NFL starter before either Henson or Romo, so what's your point.

There are plenty of QBs better than Henson or Romo, do you have a point?

[superpunk]

Jacobs will be NFL starter before either Henson or Romo, so what's your point.

http://www.theglitteringeye.com/images/crystal_ball.jpg

I will bet you 50 dollars that either Henson or Romo will be a starter (full time - not because of injury) before Jacobs.

[5Stars]

http://www.theglitteringeye.com/images/crystal_ball.jpg

I will bet you 50 dollars that either Henson or Romo will be a starter (full time - not because of injury) before Jacobs.

I had never really seen Omar Jacobs, so I "googled" his bio, and guess what? That's what I thought! :rolleyes:

[superpunk]

I had never really seen Omar Jacobs, so I "googled" his bio, and guess what? That's what I thought! :rolleyes:

:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:You know it.

Quick, quick - google Henson, Romo and Bledsoe - tell me what you see.

On second thought - let's not.:p:

[AsthmaField]

On Campbell, we do know that if he has a decent running game, he can win games.

Actually, we know that if he has the best running back tandem in the last couple of decades... both top 5 picks in the NFL Draft... and a superior team to nearly every team he plays against... that he can win. But then again, what QB couldn't win under those circumstances?

Oh wait... we know. Henson, when he was in college and Romo and Bledsoe for that matter, all three would've failed leading that Auburn team, right? :rolleyes:


I was actually talking about Brandon Lloyd and Randle El on offense and Andre Carter and Adam Archuleta on defense.

You like all four of those guys? Have you, ahem... seen pictures of all those players? Just wondering.

[CoCo]

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, just a few and the poll results.

But geesh!! I can't believe 53% believe we're going to win the SB this year.

I'm a fan. But I like to consider myself grounded. Right now I guess I'd have to consider the Seahawks & Panthers as favorites ahead of us in the NFC and that we're probably even with the Giants & Redskins with the Eagles & Bears as teams potentially in the mix too.

But I honestly am shocked that 53% here are picking us to win the SB in 2006. If the OL steps up I think its possible. I just don't think its a prudent prediction right now.

[Eddie]

But I honestly am shocked that 53% here are picking us to win the SB in 2006. If the OL steps up I think its possible. I just don't think its a prudent prediction right now.


It's called homerism.

It's an unrealistic belief that all things related to "our" team is greater and/or better than the rest of the league.

[iceberg]

It's called homerism.

It's an unrealistic belief that all things related to "our" team is greater and/or better than the rest of the league.

if 1/2 the team thinks we'll make it to the superbowl - you and i agree it's homerism. i'd also call this crowd your "average" fan. only i got told i was arrogant and condecending when i say so. the funny part is we ran the poll to see which fan base, ours or the skins, was more likely to "homer up" a superbowl prediction. they won at 68% to 56%.

i think both are delusional.

this is NOT to say we're a better team than 3-4 years ago, we're just not a superbowl team.

[superpunk]

if 1/2 the team thinks we'll make it to the superbowl - you and i agree it's homerism. i'd also call this crowd your "average" fan. only i got told i was arrogant and condecending when i say so.

Making stuff up is cool.

It must be fun to not let stuff go.:rolleyes:

Whatever.

[Doomsday101]

if 1/2 the team thinks we'll make it to the superbowl - you and i agree it's homerism. i'd also call this crowd your "average" fan. only i got told i was arrogant and condecending when i say so. the funny part is we ran the poll to see which fan base, ours or the skins, was more likely to "homer up" a superbowl prediction. they won at 68% to 56%.

i think both are delusional.

this is NOT to say we're a better team than 3-4 years ago, we're just not a superbowl team.

Now days it is hard to know who will be a SB team from 1 season to the next. Many of the teams involved in recent SB have not gone into the season as favorites to make it. As of today I don't know if Dallas is or isn't a team who could compete for a SB. I think our chances are better than some and not as good as others

[Hostile]

Hey smart guy, I said offense and defense, Campbell doesn't play defense, but he is better than either of our backup qbs. I was actually talking about Brandon Lloyd and Randle El on offense and Andre Carter and Adam Archuleta on defense. On Campbell, we do know that if he has a decent running game, he can win games.How do we "know" this? What's his NFL record?

[Bob Sacamano]

we're just not a superbowl team.

you say that with such conviction, like somehow, someway, you know more than anyone else, like you have some sort of insight into the team that the rest of us don't, I stand in awe of you, you are special

[iceberg]

Making stuff up is cool.

It must be fun to not let stuff go.:rolleyes:

Whatever.

yea, normally when i'm called condecending, arrogant, and many other unflattering adjectives for a point I NEVER SAID DIRECTLY, i can usually let it go right away. not sure what's wrong with me today.

must be some runaway arrogance again.

[iceberg]

you say that with such conviction, like somehow, someway, you know more than anyone else, like you have some sort of insight into the team that the rest of us don't, I stand in awe of you, you are special

lower case, not yelling, shouting or other "in your face" tactics, yet i'm saying it with such conviction.

it's how i feel - is that ok if i state it???

and the people who say we "are" a superbowl team - where do they get their facts we're suddenly responsible for? how come speculation AGAIN can work THE POSITIVE way w/o question or the "slamming" yet if it goes the other way - you get all extreme and call party foul?

56% of those voting in the superbowl poll felt we'd go AND win.

44% must think otherwise. if i'm in the 44% why are you singling ME out? because i talk about it? cause it's fun for you?

and i took the short bus to school for years, damn straight i'm special.

[superpunk]

yea, normally when i'm called condecending, arrogant, and many other unflattering adjectives for a point I NEVER SAID DIRECTLY, i can usually let it go right away. not sure what's wrong with me today.

must be some runaway arrogance again.

You're unbelievably confused. Mixed up. Don't have your....what we like to call "facts" - straight.

I forgot.

Iceberg here.










Everyone else here.

I'll remember my place, with my fellow average fans, on our moron bus with our hammers and helmets. I'll try not to rise up again, since, chances are - you'll just mix up what actually happened and then make stuff up again so you look like the victim.

Funny - before today I have a great deal of respect for you, and then I just go off, for NO reason. AMAZING!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it's body snatchers?

Get real.

[iceberg]

You're unbelievably confused. Mixed up. Don't have your....what we like to call "facts" - straight.

I forgot.

Iceberg here.










Everyone else here.

I'll remember my place, with my fellow average fans, on our moron bus with our hammers and helmets. I'll try not to rise up again, since, chances are - you'll just mix up what actually happened and then make stuff up again so you look like the victim.

Funny - before today I have a great deal of respect for you, and then I just go off, for NO reason. AMAZING!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it's body snatchers?

Get real.

my facts are fine, sp. if they don't "jibe" with yours i can't help it. i've tried to explain and instead of listening and trying to understand, you warp it to some view you're trying to see.

i can't stop you - so have at it. as for making stuff up - are you the one who told me if i'd have said in my initial carter lead us to the playoffs post that this wasn't meant to validate carter as a leader much of the argument wouldn't have happened? then when i show you that's exactly what i say, it's ignored.

and you wonder where i get my frustrations from.

[Bob Sacamano]

lower case, not yelling, shouting or other "in your face" tactics, yet i'm saying it with such conviction.

it's how i feel - is that ok if i state it???

there's a phrase that should be used then, such as "in my opinion", w/o it, it looks like you're stating it as if it were a fact

and the people who say we "are" a superbowl team - where do they get their facts we're suddenly responsible for? how come speculation AGAIN can work THE POSITIVE way w/o question or the "slamming" yet if it goes the other way - you get all extreme and call party foul?

well, with the pieces we added in the offseason, we have a chance to field some pretty good units: O, D, special teams, and with no dominant team in this parity-ridden NFL, I feel we have as good a chance as anybody

btw, I voted no, cause I don't think it's a definite that we go, but to totally shoot down the idea isnt' right, IMO of course

[iceberg]

there's a phrase that should be used then, such as "in my opinion", w/o it, it looks like you're stating it as if it were a fact

oh for the love of god - who in here prefaces their opinion with THIS IS MY OPINION all the time?

stop it man. this is beyond stupid now. it should be more than obvious when i say i don't think this is a superbowl team i'm talking about MY opinion. REEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAACH here.

[superpunk]

i can't stop you - so have at it. as for making stuff up - are you the one who told me if i'd have said in my initial carter lead us to the playoffs post that this wasn't meant to validate carter as a leader much of the argument wouldn't have happened? then when i show you that's exactly what i say, it's ignored.

Does it need to be broken down to you with your PMs?

but i still said i wasn't trying to validate carter as a leader and that is still the crux of the reason why people went nuts

If you had actually said THAT, I feel that the argument wouldn't have occurred, or it would have been much less. But you didn't.

Notice the emphasis on THAT. As in - if you had said EXACTLY THAT.

yes i did. here's what i said - from your own quote of my words:
"Originally Posted by iceberg
but carter was the last qb to lead the cowboys to the post-season. while i don't think this is a validation of carter in as much as how things fell that year all around, he was the last one to do it."

So we have you saying that it was Carter who LEAD us, then you say it's not a validation of Carter (insert anything here, you didn't say anything about validating him AS A LEADER), and then you turn around and say AGAIN that Carter was the last one to do it.


Iceberg here
















Everyone else.

Don't let us forget.:rolleyes:

[iceberg]

Originally Posted by iceberg
yes i did. here's what i said - from your own quote of my words:
"Originally Posted by iceberg
but carter was the last qb to lead the cowboys to the post-season. while i don't think this is a validation of carter in as much as how things fell that year all around, he was the last one to do it."

then just tell me this sp...

if i'm not saying it's not a validation of "leadership" then what would it be?

i'm damned for the words i use and then i'm damned for leaving one out. so you tell me - if not leadership, what am i talking about? don't tell me you won't "assume" cause you already did when you assumed it was NOT about his leadership, hence todays drama-soap-fest.

so tell me - what was i referring to then?

[superpunk]

Done.

[iceberg]

Done.

thought so. the implication was his leadership. the structure of the sentence was his leadership (or lack thereof) so when i ask for you to do nothing but DIRECTLY TELL ME what you think i meant so i can understand why you're busting my nuts all over the place today - you run to...

Done.

sorry sp. i openly admitted my "misfire" when i confused you w/summer. now that you confused what i said i don't get that back in return. when i ask you to just tell me what you thought i said you have no answer yet i'm still the hypocritical, arrogant, condecending you're making me out to be.

YOU'RE the one who took liberties with what i said.
YOU'RE the one who'd not listen to me try to explain
YOU'RE the one who simply can't tell me WHAT you thought i meant.

and i'm the bad guy.

go figure. but the question still stands regardless of your not answering it - if my saying getting into the playoffs was not a validation of carter, what am i referring to IF NOT his leadership when "leadership" is the sole focus? don't run to "i'm not gonna guess!" cause you already did when you started all this.

and i'm the hypocrite.

[superpunk]

thought so. the implication was his leadership. the structure of the sentence was his leadership (or lack thereof) so when i ask for you to do nothing but DIRECTLY TELL ME what you think i meant so i can understand why you're busting my nuts all over the place today - you run to...

Done.

Exactly. Me and my mongoloid brethren can't match you. Us average fans gotta stick together.

sorry sp. i openly admitted my "misfire" when i confused you w/summer. now that you confused what i said i don't get that back in return. when i ask you to just tell me what you thought i said you have no answer yet i'm still the hypocritical, arrogant, condecending you're making me out to be.

I didn't confuse anything. You made a point blank statement, claimed it wasn't a validation, and then said it again. Talking out both sides of your mouth CAN be fun, but leaves alot to be desired, particularly when you KNEW what would happen, and admitted as much after *****ing and moaning about people arguing with you. Sorry I didn't have more sympathy for your plight. try

go figure. but the question still stands regardless of your not answering it - if my saying getting into the playoffs was not a validation of carter, what am i referring to IF NOT his leadership when "leadership" is the sole focus? don't run to "i'm not gonna guess!" cause you already did when you started all this.

Let's have an example, shall we?

The President is a buffoon and makes boneheaded decisions. I'm not saying he's a bad president, but he sure as hell doesn't know what he's doing.

Tell me - what did YOU take from that statement?

And understand, that I took no issue with your original statement, in the original thread - I only said through PMs that if you had said EXACTLY what you claimed you had, there probably wouldn't have been any problem. I took issue with you talking down to everyone, putting yourself on a pedestal, complaining about an argument you KNEW you'd get, and playing the victim through it all. The original statement thing came later. If I misinterpreted it - I'm sorry. Understand that you presented two different opinions/statements in that sentence, and you reinforced one of them twice. That;s what most people took away from it - that;s what you admitted you knew would happen, and that's what you complained about. And THAT's what I took issue with. Not your original statement, but your actions after that.

And I've had more than enough of this. I attempted to let it die, but you HAD to bring it back. I'll say no more on it.

[iceberg]

you still never said what else i could be validating.

as for "knowing it would happen" - you mean bringing up carter in what could be contrued as a positive wouldn't normally get a reaction??? you seem to be giving yourself a lot of room you refuse to give in return.

and if were my actions after that - then why focus on "if you had said this originally, none of this would have happened"! when it is what i said, you just refuse to see it. if you got something else wrong out of my saying getting to the playoffs wasn't a validation of carter - let me know.

since leadership was the topic at hand, it's redundant to state it again. i agree this can and apparantely has led to confusion, yet you won't say WHAT ELSE i was saying wasn't a validation.

you said to me in a PM if i said "not a validation "OF HIS LEADERSHIP" none of this would have happened. yet now you say it's NOT the issue but my arrogance after that. how i knew it would cause a stir (a positive comment about carter causing a stir - better apply for my psychic certificate, huh?) only - if i had said leadership there'd not have been an argument.

the one that's apparantely after this...

and i'm the hypocrite. at this point you're just making up crap to be mad about and i can't stop that. let me know when you're done.

[zrinkill]

In todays NFL any team can make it to the Superbowl ...... I would say we are in line behind the playoff teams of last year till we prove something.


On Paper we look to be a Superbowl team (if we stay healthy) ....

But then again ...... we use paper to wipe our behinds :)

[stasheroo]

if 1/2 the team thinks we'll make it to the superbowl - you and i agree it's homerism. i'd also call this crowd your "average" fan. only i got told i was arrogant and condecending when i say so. the funny part is we ran the poll to see which fan base, ours or the skins, was more likely to "homer up" a superbowl prediction. they won at 68% to 56%.

i think both are delusional.

this is NOT to say we're a better team than 3-4 years ago, we're just not a superbowl team.

Yeah, I sure can't see how anybody could have issue with this post........

:blind:

[The30YardSlant]

No. We may win the division, may even a playoff game, but I think the conference title game is our absolute limit this year. Our division is just so tough, and there are so many good pass rushing teams (Carolina, Tampa Bay, New York, Seattle, etc.) who can exploit our weak O-Line that we would have to go through to even make the SB, let alone win it. This Dallas team has a problem winning big games on the road, especially late in the season, and God knows we havent won a road playoff game in forever.

We just arent there yet.

[The30YardSlant]

Came within 1 game of it this past year, how about you? :)

And yet, if not for Aaron Glenn making a play on Moss instead of the ball, our positions would have been switched

Stop acting like the Redskins were world beaters last season, when in fact you owe that playoff run to Dalals throwing away a game they had won.

[stasheroo]

No. We may win the division, may even a playoff game, but I think the conference title game is our absolute limit this year. Our division is just so tough, and there are so many good pass rushing teams (Carolina, Tampa Bay, New York, Seattle, etc.) who can exploit our weak O-Line that we would have to go through to even make the SB, let alone win it. This Dallas team has a problem winning big games on the road, especially late in the season, and God knows we havent won a road playoff game in forever.

We just arent there yet.

Looking at it from the other side, I think they are there. They were there last year in fact if not for kicking.

Last year's team had Seattle beaten in Seattle. Yes, the Seattle team that played in the Super Bowl. Kicking cost the Cowboys yet another win that day. That won't be the case this year. And they did this with the likes of Torrin Tucker at LT allowing Bledsoe to get sacked 5 times. That also won't be the case this year.

They did in fact beat the other participant in the NFC Championship Game - Carolina , in Carolina as well.

And can anyone honestly say that this year's team is not better than last year's?

[The30YardSlant]

Looking at it from the other side, I think they are there. They were there last year in fact if not for kicking.

Last year's team had Seattle beaten in Seattle. Yes, the Seattle team that played in the Super Bowl. Kicking cost the Cowboys yet another win that day. That won't be the case this year. And they did this with the likes of Torrin Tucker at LT allowing Bledsoe to get sacked 5 times. That also won't be the case this year.

They did in fact beat the other participant in the NFC Championship Game - Carolina , in Carolina as well.

And can anyone honestly say that this year's team is not better than last year's?

If not for kicking we would have won the division, but look what that got the Giants. There was NO WAY we would have beaten Seattle on the road in the playoffs last year, not with that team, not the way the way Seattle was playing. We cant win big road games yet, we just cant, and we havent been able to for a decade. We got our @ss kicked in Washington by an inferior team in a game we HAD to win. We choked away a very winnable game on the road in new York late in the season. And you know as well as I do that a botched call aided that win in Carolina.

And yes, this year's team is better. But so is Carolina, Seattle, Washington, and New York.

[stasheroo]

If not for kicking we would have won the division, but look what that got the Giants. There was NO WAY we would have beaten Seattle on the road in the playoffs last year, not with that team, not the way the way Seattle was playing.

We almost beat Seattle previously, why couldn't they do it again? Kicking cost them that game - plain and simple. And I'm not saying they could have done it with Torrible Tucker at LT. I'm saying they can with Adams at LT.

We cant win big road games yet, we just cant, and we havent been able to for a decade. We got our @ss kicked in Washington by an inferior team in a game we HAD to win. We choked away a very winnable game on the road in new York late in the season. And you know as well as I do that a botched call aided that win in Carolina.

All of those losses occured after Adams went down. That left the Cowboys with an unprepared rookie at RT and an sub-standard player trying to play LT - with no alternatives.

And yes, this year's team is better. But so is Carolina, Seattle, Washington, and New York.

True, but have any of those teams improved as much as Dallas has?

Not in my opinion.

[The30YardSlant]

True, but have any of those teams improved as much as Dallas has?

Not in my opinion.

Carolina did, no question. They are the favorites this year.