View Full Version : Who returns to Haunt the Cowboys?
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 08:17 AM
...and, are the Cowboys weaker or stronger in 2006?
I've followed the draft and FA acquisitions closely this year. While the Redskins and Giants didn't really do anything spectacular this year, the Cowboys (like in 2005) didn't do too bad; and even better in the FA acquisitions. However, some key/pivotal players we lost in the mix ...
Larry Allen (G); now with the Rams ...haunting begins:
Sat 8/26
SAN FRANCISCO (KTVT CBS11)
7:00 p.m.
KeShawn Johnson (WR); now a Carolina Panther ...haunting begins:
Sun 10/29.........
Carolina (NBC)
7:15 p.m.
LaRoi Glover (DT); who replaced him -- can he be replaced?
Not scheduled for a haunting in 2006
Dat Nguyen - Retired - March 3, 2006
Jacob Rogers (OT) cut 3/17/2006
That said, is a good QB (Bledsoe) and a play-maker wide-receiver (Owens), enough for the Dallas Cowboys offensive side of the ball, able to do what it takes to ward off defensive beasts from NFC-East teams ...?
dbair1967
06-01-2006, 08:20 AM
...and, are the Cowboys weaker or stronger in 2006?
I've followed the draft and FA acquisitions closely this year. While the Redskins and Giants didn't really do anything spectacular this year, the Cowboys (like in 2005) didn't do too bad; and even better in the FA acquisitions. However, some key/pivotal players we lost in the mix ...
Larry Allen (G); now with the Rams ...haunting begins:
Sat 8/26
SAN FRANCISCO (KTVT CBS11)
7:00 p.m.
KeShawn Johnson (WR); now a Carolina Panther ...haunting begins:
Sun 10/29.........
Carolina (NBC)
7:15 p.m.
LaRoi Glover (DT); who replaced him -- can he be replaced?
Not scheduled for a haunting in 2006
Dat Nguyen - Retired - March 3, 2006
Jacob Rogers (OT) cut 3/17/2006
That said, is a good QB (Bledsoe) and a play-maker wide-receiver (Owens), enough for the Dallas Cowboys offensive side of the ball, able to do what it takes to ward off defensive beasts from NFC-East teams ...?
Larry Allen signed with the Niners
David
burmafrd
06-01-2006, 08:20 AM
We have 2 playmaker WR's, and a playmaker TE as well, plus at least one RB that can cause serious hurt. But you do not mention them- tsk tsk tsk. Dallas has about 2 times as many offensive playmakers as the birds do. By the way, LA is with the 49rs now. So much for your accuracy.
AtlCB
06-01-2006, 08:21 AM
...and, are the Cowboys weaker or stronger in 2006?
I've followed the draft and FA acquisitions closely this year. While the Redskins and Giants didn't really do anything spectacular this year, the Cowboys (like in 2005) didn't do too bad; and even better in the FA acquisitions. However, some key/pivotal players we lost in the mix ...
Larry Allen (G); now with the Rams ...haunting begins:
Sat 8/26
SAN FRANCISCO (KTVT CBS11)
7:00 p.m.
KeShawn Johnson (WR); now a Carolina Panther ...haunting begins:
Sun 10/29.........
Carolina (NBC)
7:15 p.m.
LaRoi Glover (DT); who replaced him -- can he be replaced?
Not scheduled for a haunting in 2006
Dat Nguyen - Retired - March 3, 2006
Jacob Rogers (OT) cut 3/17/2006
That said, is a good QB (Bledsoe) and a play-maker wide-receiver (Owens), enough for the Dallas Cowboys offensive side of the ball, able to do what it takes to ward off defensive beasts from NFC-East teams ...?
Larry Allen is now with the 49ers.
Doomsday101
06-01-2006, 08:22 AM
...and, are the Cowboys weaker or stronger in 2006?
I've followed the draft and FA acquisitions closely this year. While the Redskins and Giants didn't really do anything spectacular this year, the Cowboys (like in 2005) didn't do too bad; and even better in the FA acquisitions. However, some key/pivotal players we lost in the mix ...
Larry Allen (G); now with the Rams ...haunting begins:
Sat 8/26
SAN FRANCISCO (KTVT CBS11)
7:00 p.m.
KeShawn Johnson (WR); now a Carolina Panther ...haunting begins:
Sun 10/29.........
Carolina (NBC)
7:15 p.m.
LaRoi Glover (DT); who replaced him -- can he be replaced?
Not scheduled for a haunting in 2006
Dat Nguyen - Retired - March 3, 2006
Jacob Rogers (OT) cut 3/17/2006
That said, is a good QB (Bledsoe) and a play-maker wide-receiver (Owens), enough for the Dallas Cowboys offensive side of the ball, able to do what it takes to ward off defensive beasts from NFC-East teams ...?
I think Key will be tough to defend. I think the guy is one of the best possesion WR in the game. He will go up, make the tough catch and will take the hit.
Juke99
06-01-2006, 08:29 AM
None of the above. There isn't a name on that list that gives me any concern.
Larry Allen...one of my all time favs...not what he used to be...and I don't see a guard having the impact to haunt.
Key...Great effort guy...yep, he'll hurt us...with a 9 yard reception..and 1 yard run after catch.
Glover....best of the lot. But considering his salary and reduced role, he simply no longer made sense. His cap number, if he stayed, would have been haunting.
Doomsday101
06-01-2006, 08:33 AM
None of the above. There isn't a name on that list that gives me any concern.
Larry Allen...one of my all time favs...not what he used to be...and I don't see a guard having the impact to haunt.
Key...Great effort guy...yep, he'll hurt us...with a 9 yard reception..and 1 yard run after catch.
Glover....best of the lot. But considering his salary and reduced role, he simply no longer made sense. His cap number, if he stayed, would have been haunting.
Key can hurt in the redzone and working with Steve Smith that looks to be a very good combination for Carolina. Your right Key is not going to out race anyone but he will help to constantly move the chains and is good in the redzone
AMERICAS_FAN
06-01-2006, 08:33 AM
Jacob Rogers (OT) cut 3/17/2006
Who will haunt Dallas?
Ahhh, this is a trick-question. I say it's Jacob Rogers...I'm serious!
I say that because the other players that we lost needed to go due to age or lack-of-fit in the scheme. But whiffing on the Jacob Rogers pick....MAN!...that was huge because had he panned out, that could have added some much needed depth on our OL - something we don't have IMHO. If we have problems at the T position in 2006, not having Rogers here and producing will really sting; this is the achiles heal that can bring down the Cowboys offense in 2006, like it did last year.
AF
PT, Im not too worried about the losses and feel that the additions far outweigh the players that you mentioned.
But on to a different topic, how do you feel about the eagles LB's this year. Trotter is getting up there in age, he still did an excellent job stopping the run behind the DT's, but whats his range like sideline to sideline....i watched some eagles games last year, i think he can get exploited in pass coverage.
stasheroo
06-01-2006, 08:46 AM
I'd like to know if your fingers still hurt after your Super Bowl window got slammed shut on 'em?
:lmao:
Charles
06-01-2006, 08:53 AM
Should Al Johnson win the starting gig at center, I am not looking forward to the Glover match-up.
Future
06-01-2006, 08:58 AM
I think Key will be tough to defend. I think the guy is one of the best possesion WR in the game. He will go up, make the tough catch and will take the hit.
exactly what im worried about. i would assume he will be matched up with henry, which i like but idk if he has the talent or not to stop him
Doomsday101
06-01-2006, 09:00 AM
exactly what im worried about. i would assume he will be matched up with henry, which i like but idk if he has the talent or not to stop him
I don't think you shut him down just contain him. No doubt Steve Smith will still be the man in Carolina but I think the combo with him and Key will make it tough of defensive units.
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 09:23 AM
[quote=burmafrd]We have 2 playmaker WR's, and a playmaker TE as well, plus at least one RB that can cause serious hurt. But you do not mention them- tsk tsk tsk.
Realize i didn't mention all of your weapons/threats, but that's not what I Intended to do. Weaker or stronger was the question; and can all of your weapons gel without the help of a well-constructed OL?
LA is with the 49rs now. So much for your accuracy
Oops. Whatever ...you got the picture, yet didn't answer the thread's question completely. So much for being thorough.
Dallas has about 2 times as many offensive playmakers as the birds do. By the way,
Untrue and irrelevant.
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 09:24 AM
I think Key will be tough to defend. I think the guy is one of the best possesion WR in the game. He will go up, make the tough catch and will take the hit.
Agree ...a definite haunting.
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 09:25 AM
None of the above. There isn't a name on that list that gives me any concern.
Larry Allen...one of my all time favs...not what he used to be...and I don't see a guard having the impact to haunt.
Key...Great effort guy...yep, he'll hurt us...with a 9 yard reception..and 1 yard run after catch.
Glover....best of the lot. But considering his salary and reduced role, he simply no longer made sense. His cap number, if he stayed, would have been haunting.
Weaker or stronger in 2006?
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 09:27 AM
Who will haunt Dallas?
Ahhh, this is a trick-question. I say it's Jacob Rogers...I'm serious!
I say that because the other players that we lost needed to go due to age or lack-of-fit in the scheme. But whiffing on the Jacob Rogers pick....MAN!...that was huge because had he panned out, that could have added some much needed depth on our OL - something we don't have IMHO. If we have problems at the T position in 2006, not having Rogers here and producing will really sting; this is the achiles heal that can bring down the Cowboys offense in 2006, like it did last year.AF
I'm not so sure about that! I can't even locate where in the NFL did Jacob Rogers land.
silver
06-01-2006, 09:29 AM
I'm not so sure about that! I can't even locate where in the NFL did Jacob Rogers land.
the consesion stand.
stasheroo
06-01-2006, 09:29 AM
In my opinion, the 2006 Cowboys are stronger - much stronger. Just the return of Flozell Adams makes them a much stronger team than the one that struggled to end 2005. To say nothing of all the improvements through free agency and the draft.
superpunk
06-01-2006, 09:35 AM
This guy;
http://files.lussumo.com/ghost.jpg
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 09:38 AM
PT, Im not too worried about the losses and feel that the additions far outweigh the players that you mentioned.
But on to a different topic, how do you feel about the eagles LB's this year. Trotter is getting up there in age, he still did an excellent job stopping the run behind the DT's, but whats his range like sideline to sideline....i watched some eagles games last year, i think he can get exploited in pass coverage.
In 2005 most of the Eagles defensive squad started to look aged. But a large part of that could Be attributed toward the ineffectiveness of the Eagles injured offensive squad that didn't not give any time for our defense to rest. Trotter will have plenty of help in 2006 with ...Bunkley, Cole, Jasper, Kearse, McDougle (healthy after the 2005 gunshot Incident), and "the Dawk."
I'm hoping for a performance as good as our 2004 squad.
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 09:39 AM
[quote=stasheroo]I'd like to know if your fingers still hurt after your Super Bowl window got slammed shut on 'em?
What fingers? And that was no window shutting ...that was our collective hearts exploding!
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 09:41 AM
the consesion stand.
Not a bad place to be ...ask the guy who caught the last Barry Bonds homer.
Hostile
06-01-2006, 09:43 AM
PT you've got to get it right bro. It isn't who will come back to haunt us. It's who will make us "Rue the day."
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 09:43 AM
In my opinion, the 2006 Cowboys are stronger - much stronger. Just the return of Flozell Adams makes them a much stronger team than the one that struggled to end 2005. To say nothing of all the improvements through free agency and the draft.
We'll see. One player usually doesn't make the difference on an offensive/defensive squad. FA are struggling to learn the Play books ...Rookies ...are rookies!
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 09:46 AM
PT you've got to get it right bro. It isn't who will come back to haunt us. It's who will make us "Rue the day."
Understand. Question: ...stronger or weaker in 2006?
stasheroo
06-01-2006, 09:47 AM
We'll see. One player usually doesn't make the difference on an offensive/defensive squad. FA are struggling to learn the Play books ...Rookies ...are rookies!
In my opinion, anything that keeps Torrible Tucker off the field is a good thing. The Cowboys offense basically collapsed when Adams went down and "Mother" Tucker came in. I was never happier to see a player "signed away" by another team.
And don't forget, Dallas' defense still managed a Top 10 ranking despite all the rookies playing 3-4 for the first time last year. I'm looking for an even better 2006.
In 2005 most of the Eagles defensive squad started to look aged. But a large part of that could Be attributed toward the ineffectiveness of the Eagles injured offensive squad that didn't not give any time for our defense to rest. Trotter will have plenty of help in 2006 with ...Bunkley, Cole, Jasper, Kearse, McDougle (healthy after the 2005 gunshot Incident), and "the Dawk."
I'm hoping for a performance as good as our 2004 squad.
agree, you'll have a nice dline rotation and bring pressure. if i was an offensice coordinator facing the eagles defense id look to get my passes off quick and work the short-middle zones, try to get some good matchups on your LB's with TE's or RB's, see if TO can take advantage of Dbacks with quick out or slants and run some HB sweeps or screen passes.
cwbyfan72
06-01-2006, 10:14 AM
I think we will be stronger running the ball than many think. We have OL that can actually pull and be effective. Now, pass protection is yet to be seen. But you can rest assure it will top priority in TC, always is.
I don't worry about too many hauntings. Key, maybe....
I worry about TO's attitude.......ALOT.
Hostile
06-01-2006, 10:22 AM
Understand. Question: ...stronger or weaker in 2006?The Cowboys? Or who are you talking about if not them?
Stronger.
Vanderjagt alone improves the STs, but we also added Boiman, Watkins, and Skyler Green, making it potentially the most improved unit on the team. Plus Beriault comes back from injury. Lost in our kicking woes last year was the fact our coverage teams were already decent. Now they will be better. If Green is a good return man and gives us some time at 4th WR, then this is a big upgrade.
Carpenter & Ayodele are immediate improvements on the LB corps. In addition to this we get back a healthy Burnett and add Boiman, and possibly upgrade with Hoyte or Parham.
The secondary got better with the additions of Coleman & Watkins, plus Beriault is coming back healthy and Anthony Henry should be as well.
The D-line lost Glover, and that's significant, but it also gets back Ratliff and adds Hatcher and Stanley. On top of this Spears will be healthy and so will Canty. Neither were 100% in 2005. Scary thought.
Overall the D got younger, faster, and bigger and is a group no longer comprised of neophytes in the 3-4.
We added some OL depth. This will offset the loss of one of my favorites Larry Allen. Flo comes back healthy, Petitti comes back healthy and with an off season focused on RT and strength, and agility. Rivera comes back healthy, and reports say Al Johnson added quite a bit of bulk and strength. Good news for the OL.
Terrell is more than enough to offset the loss of Key. Crayton is healthy again, Skyler Green was the player the DBs at the Senior Bowl said was the hardest to cover. Glenn becomes more dangerous by the acquistion of TO. On top of this the Cowboys plan to use the 2 TE set in ways no defense has yet had to deal with. In other words, potential matchup problems.
If Julius Jones is healthy then keying on the pass isn't going to be advantageous to any D.
Bledsoe is what he is, a wily veteran who now has more protection and more weapons.
Is it enough? I'm not ready to say that. But stronger? Yeah, I think we're a lot stronger.
burmafrd
06-01-2006, 10:31 AM
So Phoenix- you only have two playmakers on O in Mcflabb and Westbrook. Dallas has Bledsoe, TO, GLenn, WItten. I am not counting JJ since that would be unfair to the birds. But I could count him and Fasano. Thats THREE TIMES as many.
SkinsandTerps
06-01-2006, 10:40 AM
December 10th at high noon, in Dallas.
Sean Payton will make his return with Drew Brees, Reggie Bush, Duece McAllister, Joe Horn, and Donte Stallworth in tow.
burmafrd
06-01-2006, 10:43 AM
thats assuming that no one is injured of that group. I have my doubts that Reggie Bush can hold up with the load I think he will be getting.
Agree ...a definite haunting.
In all honesty man,u must be really bored to care about what dallas is doing.Why do u care about our FA's?:)
AMERICAS_FAN
06-01-2006, 11:44 AM
I'm not so sure about that! I can't even locate where in the NFL did Jacob Rogers land.
If Jacob Rogers is in the league still he won't come back to haunt anybody. My point was not that he would come back to haunt Dallas; it was to point out that his not panning out in Dallas has contributed to a void that is left on our OL's depth chart. It's that lack of OL depth that is more likely to haunt Dallas in 2006 than any specific players we cut or lost in free agency. I'm not worried about any of the guys we lost returning against us with their new teams. I am most worrried about injuries to our OL starters and not having the depth to fill the holes.
AF
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 11:48 AM
[quote=burmafrd]So Phoenix- you only have two playmakers on O in Mcflabb and Westbrook.
Totally inaccurate!
Dallas has Bledsoe, TO, GLenn, WItten. I am not counting JJ since that would be unfair to the birds. But I could count him and Fasano. Thats THREE TIMES as many
Let's see ..you say you have Witten, Bledsoe, Glenn, and TO ? I have ...you win! Sure, I'll admit it. You have more play-makers than we do. But since when did that mean beans!? We all know very well that games are won and lost at the "line-o-scrimmage!"
NorTex
06-01-2006, 11:54 AM
[quote]
We all know very well that games are won and lost at the "line-o-scrimmage!"
We beat the Eagles twice last year, so I guess that means our lines are better than yours.
Bob Sacamano
06-01-2006, 11:57 AM
Key...Great effort guy...yep, he'll hurt us...with a 9 yard reception..and 1 yard run after catch.
also because we have Anthony Henry to match up with him, while Newman gets Steve Smith
Bob Sacamano
06-01-2006, 12:00 PM
Hostile :worthy:
lurkercowboy
06-01-2006, 12:02 PM
Dallas picked up a guy who might haunt the Eagles this coming season.
Dallas picked up a guy who might haunt the Eagles this coming season.
I hear he is pretty good too.
5Stars
06-01-2006, 12:37 PM
In all honesty man,u must be really bored to care about what dallas is doing.Why do u care about our FA's?:)
Why does he care? Fear, my friend...envy, worry, phobia, jitters, nervousness, fright, panic, trepidation...take your pick!
He's looking through that last little crack in the window that is almost shut...and he cannot understand, so he tries to convince himself, and anyone else that will listen, that the Slime Green Parakeets are actually a still contending football team...
That's all he's got left...to bad, so sad...! :)
:star:
Bob Sacamano
06-01-2006, 12:40 PM
Why does he care? Fear, my friend...envy, worry, phobia, jitters, nervousness, fright, panic, trepidation...take your pick!
He's looking through that last little crack in the window that is almost shut...and he cannot understand, so he tries to convince himself, and anyone else that will listen, that the Slime Green Parakeets are actually a still contending football team...
That's all he's got left...to bad, so sad...! :)
:star:
:disseags:
I'm your twin brother summerisfunner, I piss on the Eagles
Hostile
06-01-2006, 12:42 PM
Hostile :worthy:[Elvis impersonation on]Thank ya, thank ya very much.[/Elvis impersonation off]
I'm sad PT didn't comment on my response but he has to everyone else.
:wink2:
5Stars
06-01-2006, 12:44 PM
:disseags:
I'm your twin brother summerisfunner, I piss on the Eagles
OK, I now relinquish that job to you! You take care of the Slime Green Parakeets...while I just
:lombardi:
:trophy:
:hammock:
kick back and relax....ahhhhh, life is good to me! I'm glad my dad showed me the Dallas Cowboys! Sweet.....:)
:starspin
superpunk
06-01-2006, 12:45 PM
I'm sad PT didn't comment on my response but he has to everyone else.
Is this code?
burmafrd
06-01-2006, 12:46 PM
I am still waiting for Phoenix to identify more then two birds offensive playmakers. He keeps BLEETING about it being innacurate but then he does not name names. HMMMMMM.
Hostile
06-01-2006, 12:46 PM
Is this code?Yes, for "Sick And Demented."
Bob Sacamano
06-01-2006, 12:46 PM
I'm sad PT didn't comment on my response but he has to everyone else.
:wink2:
what is he gonna say?
uh, uh, uh...uh
5Stars
06-01-2006, 12:46 PM
[Elvis impersonation on]Thank ya, thank ya very much.[/Elvis impersonation off]
I'm sad PT didn't comment on my response but he has to everyone else.
:wink2:
What can he comment on? You laid it all out there...
Ya know, sometimes the truth hurts!
Here, maybe five Beautiful Stars will make you feel better....
:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :)
Hostile
06-01-2006, 12:49 PM
what is he gonna say?
uh, uh, uh...uhPT does Jerry Jones impersonations?
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 12:54 PM
[quote=Phoenix-Talon]
We beat the Eagles twice last year, so I guess that means our lines are better than yours.
Absolutely correct ...your 2005 team was indeed better!
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 12:56 PM
Dallas picked up a guy who might haunt the Eagles this coming season.
He's already haunted us ...but he may just haunt you too!
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 12:59 PM
In all honesty man,u must be really bored to care about what dallas is doing.Why do u care about our FA's?:)
In all honesty ...I'm a football fan who happens to be an Eagles fan. That said, I'm learning as much as I can to increase my football saavy. Knowing that, most fans should want to know as much about their opponent as they can.
I'm not challenging you, but, I may just know more about your team than you realize.
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 01:00 PM
If Jacob Rogers is in the league still he won't come back to haunt anybody. My point was not that he would come back to haunt Dallas; it was to point out that his not panning out in Dallas has contributed to a void that is left on our OL's depth chart. It's that lack of OL depth that is more likely to haunt Dallas in 2006 than any specific players we cut or lost in free agency. I'm not worried about any of the guys we lost returning against us with their new teams. I am most worrried about injuries to our OL starters and not having the depth to fill the holes.AF
You're the first I've Heard used the dreaded word ...OL "depth!" Interesting.
superpunk
06-01-2006, 01:03 PM
Yes, for "Sick And Demented."
acronyms are teh awesomness.
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 01:07 PM
[quote=Hostile][Elvis impersonation on]Thank ya, thank ya very much.[/Elvis impersonation off]
Listen Hos, I know good football Savvy when I hear it.
But, I'll give it the old college try anyway. Ok, your overall team is stronger ...but what about OL depth? Would you say that you have a young or old OL. It's another year gone by and your draft was mediocre
I'm sad PT didn't comment on my response but he has to everyone else.
superpunk
06-01-2006, 01:10 PM
Listen Hos, I know goo football Savvy when I hear it.
Why do you build me up
(build me up)
Buttercup, baby
...but what about OL depth? Would you say that you have a young or old OL. It's another year gone by and your draft was mediocre
Just to let me down
(let me down)
mess me around...
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 01:15 PM
In all honesty man,u must be really bored to care about what dallas is doing.Why do u care about our FA's?
Why does he care? Fear, my friend...envy, worry, phobia, jitters, nervousness, fright, panic, trepidation...take your pick!
I'll pick "fright" (SIC); that's the one that makes more sense Out of the group!:)
He's looking through that last little crack in the window that is almost shut...
That's all he's got left...to bad, so sad...! I don't want to touch any acroynyms about cracks in the window -- I'll just take your word for it.:rolleyes:
Keep wondering.
stasheroo
06-01-2006, 01:16 PM
[quote]
Listen Hos, I know goo football Savvy when I hear it.
But, I'll give it the old college try anyway. Ok, your overall team is stronger ...but what about OL depth? Would you say that you have a young or old OL. It's another year gone by and your draft was mediocre
I'm sad PT didn't comment on my response but he has to everyone else.
If the only good thing you can say about your team is that they're deep in mediocre "depth", you're in rough shape.
And who are you to judge the Cowboys' draft as mediocre anyway?
Yours was great because you go two "name" players who plummeted through the rest of the league's draft picks for some reason?
Let's see:
Lost Burgess (who led the league in sacks) and added Darren Howard (who had all of 3 sacks last year), net improvement? I don't think so.
Lost Corey Simon and drafted Bunkley to replace him. Net improvement? I don't think so.
Seems like they're treading water in Philly - at best.
superpunk
06-01-2006, 01:19 PM
I don't want to touch any acroynyms about cracks in the window -- I'll just take your word for it.
What the....?
5Stars
06-01-2006, 01:22 PM
What the....?
Hey, superpunk...
:lmao: :lmao2: :laugh1: :lmao: :laugh1:
don't laugh with him...laugh at him! :)
:lmao:
superpunk
06-01-2006, 01:28 PM
Ok, your overall team is stronger ...but what about OL depth?
For seriousness, though, PT - this is weak. Now we;re going after depth?
If any team in the whole league has injury problems, things get tough. Should we discuss the Eagles pathetic QB depth? WR depth? LB depth? No. It's pointless. As a healthy team, the Boys starting lineup is strong, REAL strong.
theebs
06-01-2006, 01:31 PM
...and, are the Cowboys weaker or stronger in 2006?
I've followed the draft and FA acquisitions closely this year. While the Redskins and Giants didn't really do anything spectacular this year, the Cowboys (like in 2005) didn't do too bad; and even better in the FA acquisitions. However, some key/pivotal players we lost in the mix ...
Larry Allen (G); now with the Rams ...haunting begins:
Sat 8/26
SAN FRANCISCO (KTVT CBS11)
7:00 p.m.
KeShawn Johnson (WR); now a Carolina Panther ...haunting begins:
Sun 10/29.........
Carolina (NBC)
7:15 p.m.
LaRoi Glover (DT); who replaced him -- can he be replaced?
Not scheduled for a haunting in 2006
Dat Nguyen - Retired - March 3, 2006
Jacob Rogers (OT) cut 3/17/2006
That said, is a good QB (Bledsoe) and a play-maker wide-receiver (Owens), enough for the Dallas Cowboys offensive side of the ball, able to do what it takes to ward off defensive beasts from NFC-East teams ...?
Yeah that preseason battle in august with san francisco is so important, I hope we can find a way to win that or we are doomed for sure...
Alexander
06-01-2006, 01:35 PM
Yeah that preseason battle in august with san francisco is so important, I hope we can find a way to win that or we are doomed for sure...
:laugh1:
What we have is Keyshawn then. Will we rue the day we let him go?
Yakuza Rich
06-01-2006, 01:44 PM
Jacob Rogers has already haunted Dallas.
You expect 2nd round picks to eventually become starters someday. The guy never played a meaningful down for the Cowboys.
Then again, I think because Jeff Ireland was so against picking Rogers and Parcells took him anyway, that really solidified Ireland taking over as the Director of Scouting.
Rich.........
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 01:53 PM
...And who are you to judge the Cowboys' draft as mediocre anyway?
Listen, this isn't between you and me ...don't get upset with me, do you read ESPN, or Sports Talk? There's plenty of other sports writers who many are saying the same thing about your 2006 Draft ratings.
Alexander
06-01-2006, 01:55 PM
Listen, this isn't between you and me ...don't get upset with me, do you read ESPN, or Sports Talk? There's plenty of other sports writers who many are saying the same thing about your 2006 Draft ratings.
And many of those same pundits were falling all over an Eagle class last year that failed to deliver.
superpunk
06-01-2006, 01:55 PM
What we have is Keyshawn then. Will we rue the day we let him go?
I've been rueing since mid-march.
Hopefully I'll have it all out of my system by then. If not, we're in for a long day, a looooooooong day of rueing.
stasheroo
06-01-2006, 02:07 PM
Listen, this isn't between you and me ...don't get upset with me, do you read ESPN, or Sports Talk? There's plenty of other sports writers who many are saying the same thing about your 2006 Draft ratings.
I'm not upset. Sorry if it sounded like that.
What I mean is that Dallas filled its' needs in this year's draft. I can't tell you they had a great draft just like you can't tell me they didn't.
I can pull out draft grades from the past few years and show how far off they were as well. Half of those that criticized the Cowboys' draft fail to realize that the Cowboys will be using a two TE formation this season (meaning Fasano will be a starter or at least a big contributor)
I've seen the Eagles get good grades for years and somehow they don't seem to improve. A team that's supposed to be so deep in talent year-in and year-out somehow manages to add another 10 great draft picks every year. It doesn't add up to me.
In comparing the teams, we can talk about what each did or didn't do in free agency as well.
Hostile
06-01-2006, 02:26 PM
Listen Hos, I know good football Savvy when I hear it.
But, I'll give it the old college try anyway. Ok, your overall team is stronger ...but what about OL depth? Would you say that you have a young or old OL. It's another year gone by and your draft was mediocreI'd say the OL is a mixture of youth and age, and will be better in 2006 than it was in 2005, barring injuries of course.
Age, unless a player is a dinosaur has very little to do with the OL. Let's talk straight across comparisons of 2005 to 2006.
Left Tackle...
To begin 2005, Flozell Adams was the LT and Torrin Tucker was the backup. Torrin had to become a starter for us. For 2006 Flozell is coming back and if he goes down again the backup will be Marc Columbo, a former 1st round pick who reports say is finally healthy. It's hard not to improve on Tucker.
Left Guard...
In 2005 Larry Allen once again manned this spot. Larry is one of my all time favorite Cowboys and I'm going to miss him. He's getting up there in age, but still is one of the strongest players ever. In 2006 it looks like we'll go with Kyle Kosier. I'll openly admit I'm not excited about this because I've already stated that LA was a favorite of mine. Kosier also went to ASU so it's hard for me to forget that. However, he is more mobile than LA by a large margin which means we may add more sweeps to the right than we've used in the recent past. I'm always in favor of new things the defense has to defend. I'll be rooting for Stephen Peterman or Andre Gurode over Kosier, but I'm realistic, Kosier showed the staff here something, he's the LG.
Center...
IMO the weak link of the OL in 2005. For me the news Al Johnson was tipping the snap just about gave me ulcers. Reports say Johnson has added 15 to 25 pounds of muscle this off season and a lot of strength. As long as he doesn't revert to pumping his fist when he's going to snap the ball he should be better in 2006.
Right Guard...
In 2005 Marco Rivera hurt his back. He was unable to help out AJ at C and he was ineffective pulling for sweeps left, something that was a strong suit for him his entire career. Maybe it's just me, but I think healthy OL are an improvement.
Right Tackle...
Speaking of healthy OL, in 2005 we put a 6th round rookie, 1st time playing RT in his life out there, and on top of that he was hobbled with injuries. Reports say he's much stronger, leaner, meaner, and focused because he now knows how much he wants it. He'll be competing with Jason Fabini for the RT spot in 2006. Regardless of who wins the RT job it should be better in 2006.
If you think the OL is in a state of stasis or decline PT, I guess you'll need to show me where. 3 injured starters, a rookie playing out of his natural position, and a C giving away the snap counts in 2005 gave our offense serious issues to overcome. Barring injuries, 2006 is going to be leaps and bounds better.
lurkercowboy
06-01-2006, 04:01 PM
He's already haunted us ...but he may just haunt you too!
I am hoping he has learned his lesson and Parcells can handle him better than Reid. But you never know.
Murph80
06-01-2006, 04:36 PM
I think the guy who comes back and haunts us will be Sean Payton.
This team is much stronger than last year. The boys in Vegas also think so. Last years draft picks will show up big time this year. And I agree with your other post that not 1 player makes a Offense or Defense but if one guy can due that it is TO.
Our O- Line will be better this year with 3 new starters. Flo, Fabini and Kosier. Rivera and Johnson are healthy this year unlike last year. And our o-line depth is much improved this year with 16 game starter Pettit Marc Columbo and Gurode as back ups.
Only time will tell. Good Post Talon
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 04:51 PM
If you think the OL is in a state of stasis or decline PT, I guess you'll need to show me where. 3 injured starters, a rookie playing out of his natural position, and a C giving away the snap counts in 2005 gave our offense serious issues to overcome. Barring injuries, 2006 is going to be leaps and bounds better.
No reason to doubt you Hos; I'm sure you know your team very well -- as I do my own team.
We'll see how things play out in 2006.
Hostile
06-01-2006, 05:14 PM
No reason to doubt you Hos; I'm sure you know your team very well -- as I do my own team.
We'll see how things play out in 2006.So then the consensus is stronger in 2006?
:wink2:
5Stars
06-01-2006, 05:20 PM
So then the consensus is stronger in 2006?
:wink2:
I think he likes you Hostile! He "bolded" your name (with that sophisticated HTML stuff)...! :lmao:
He even called you "Hos"...how cute!
:lombardi:
:trophy:
:hammock:
It's a pleasure to relax and be a fan of a winner...rather then a loser...
Life is good...
:starspin
Hostile
06-01-2006, 05:21 PM
I think he likes you Hostile! He "bolded" your name (with that sophisticated HTML stuff)...! :lmao:
:lombardi:
:trophy:
:hammock:
It's a pleasure to relax and be a fan of a winner...rather then a loser...
Life is good...
:starspinIMNSHO, PT is the best Eagles fan I've ever come across. I give him respect and I get it back.
5Stars
06-01-2006, 05:24 PM
IMNSHO, PT is the best Eagles fan I've ever come across. I give him respect and I get it back.
I like him also...he just don't know it!
At least he stays here, through thick and thin...unlike some RedStink fans that I know...!
:star:
IMNSHO? What does that mean?
Phoenix-Talon
06-01-2006, 06:05 PM
I like him also...he just don't know it!
At least he stays here, through thick and thin...unlike some RedStink fans that I know...!
:star:
IMNSHO? What does that mean?
In my not so humble opinion ...now go back to sleep. :cool:
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