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AdamJT13

05-31-2006, 11:50 PM

Taylor most likely will be fined and/or suspended by the NFL. The league's Conduct Policy states --

"Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a criminal violation (including a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the acceptance of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement) will be subject to discipline as determined by the Commissioner. Such discipline may include a fine, suspension without pay and/or banishment from the League."

Ray Lewis was fined $250,000 for pleading no contest to obstruction of justice. Taylor is pleading no contest to assault and battery, which are considered crimes of violence. Those are considered the most serious crimes in the Conduct Policy --

"It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Persons to engage in (or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite) violent and/or criminal activity. Examples of such Prohibited Conduct include, without limitation: any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons; the use of a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime; possession or distribution of a weapon in violation of state or federal law; involvement in "hate crimes" or crimes of domestic violence; theft, larceny or other property crimes; sex offenses; racketeering; money laundering; obstruction of justice; resisting arrest; fraud; and violent or threatening conduct."

Previously, players who have pleaded no contest to those types of charges have been suspended for one game (see Mike Doss, Leon Searcy, Leonardo Carson, Derrick Rodgers, Dwayne Carswell and Wayne Hunter, among others), so that's what I'd expect the NFL to do (unless it considers the crimes to be more serious because guns were involved, although Taylor denied that he had one).

5Stars

05-31-2006, 11:59 PM

Taylor most likely will be fined and/or suspended by the NFL. The league's Conduct Policy states --

"Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a criminal violation (including a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the acceptance of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement) will be subject to discipline as determined by the Commissioner. Such discipline may include a fine, suspension without pay and/or banishment from the League."

Ray Lewis was fined $250,000 for pleading no contest to obstruction of justice. Taylor is pleading guilty to assault and battery, which are considered crimes of violence. Those are considered the most serious crimes in the Conduct Policy --

"It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Persons to engage in (or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite) violent and/or criminal activity. Examples of such Prohibited Conduct include, without limitation: any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons; the use of a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime; possession or distribution of a weapon in violation of state or federal law; involvement in "hate crimes" or crimes of domestic violence; theft, larceny or other property crimes; sex offenses; racketeering; money laundering; obstruction of justice; resisting arrest; fraud; and violent or threatening conduct."

Previously, players who have pleaded no contest to those types of charges have been suspended for one game (see Mike Doss, Leon Searcy, Leonardo Carson, Derrick Rodgers, Dwayne Carswell and Wayne Hunter, among others), so that's what I'd expect the NFL to do (unless it considers the crimes to be more serious because guns were involved, although Taylor denied that he had one).

Yeah, good luck with all that! With the Comish being a season ticket holder to the RedStinks? I bet that thug won't miss a beat!

:star:

apickmans

06-01-2006, 12:00 AM

u bring up a good point Adam.

aznhalf

06-01-2006, 12:00 AM

Previously, players who have pleaded no contest to those types of charges have been suspended for one game (see Mike Doss, Leon Searcy, Leonardo Carson, Derrick Rodgers, Dwayne Carswell and Wayne Hunter, among others), so that's what I'd expect the NFL to do (unless it considers the crimes to be more serious because guns were involved, although Taylor denied that he had one).

As long as he is back for Week 2 so Skins fans won't use it as an excuse. And it'll be nice to see TO burn him deep for 6:laugh1:

AbeBeta

06-01-2006, 12:34 AM

Yeah, good luck with all that! With the Comish being a season ticket holder to the RedStinks? I bet that thug won't miss a beat!

:star:

Yawn.

I expect any commish to be a football fan -- and a rich one. Rich + fan = season ticket holder wherever you live.

Tags has never shown an ounce of favoritism. to suggest otherwise is plain ign'ant.

MONT17

06-01-2006, 12:37 AM

Taylor will be fine when he finds out how bad Archuletta is at Safety, he should ask for no less than 15 million in bonus money!!!

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 12:39 AM

well taking the plea means that the case against him was pretty strong

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 12:52 AM

well taking the plea means that the case against him was pretty strong

You guys are unbelievable. In no way does this show that there was a strong cast againt him, in fact it could be just the opposite. In case you were not aware a please bargain was offered before that included no jail time but included a felony which taylor turned down due to the fact that he felt he was innocent. Now a plea bargain is offered that pretty much says he was in a fight and everything will pretty much be cleared if he accepts it. Wouldnt you accept this deal? You do not have to go through the vigors of court(which has been pushed back a thousand times, taking away from his team workouts). He is able to stay more focused, plus theres NO CHANCE of him seeing any jail time. If the prosecution really felt he was guilty and ACTUALLY had a gun, why would they drop this charge so that the case wouldnt go to court?

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 12:58 AM

You guys are unbelievable. In no way does this show that there was a strong cast againt him

uh, taking a plea means that Taylor wanted to take a lesser charge than running the risk of spending 30+ years in jail

bbgun

06-01-2006, 01:06 AM

How many times has this kid slipped the noose in this case? I still see jail in his future, whether it's tomorrow or 30 years from now.

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:11 AM

uh, taking a plea means that Taylor wanted to take a lesser charge than running the risk of spending 30+ years in jail

If the prosecution truly felt sean taylor had a gun they would not have offered him a deal that dropped that charge. They obviously realized they didnt have a strong case so they offered a deal that could get them something. Sean Taylor accepted this deal because there will be no felonie charges against him and he will not have to go through a long played out trial which will take his focus away from football.

Plus, sure maybe he was a little scared he would lose when he accepted the deal, I mean anything can happen. Wouldnt you take this plea bargain if it assured you nothing bad could come of it and your record would be wiped clean of the entire incident?

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:15 AM

If the prosecution truly felt sean taylor had a gun they would not have offered him a deal that dropped that charge.

pro athletes are getting great deals everyday, so I guess every pro athlete that got a great deal didn't have a strong case against them then? or do you have some special insight into the Sean Taylor case? DAs don't bring cases against someone on a wing and a prayer, they have to have enough evidence just to indict someone, shoot just the other day a Los Angeles Angel's player ran from the cops and he isn't going to jail

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:19 AM

pro athletes are getting great deals everyday, so I guess every pro athlete that got a great deal didn't have a strong case against them then? or do you have some special insight into the Sean Taylor case? DAs don't bring cases against someone on a wing and a prayer, they have to have enough evidence just to indict someone, shoot just the other day a Los Angeles Angel's player ran from the cops and he isn't going to jail
If you were to follow this case closely you would have known that noone on the other side wanted to give sean taylor a slap on the wrist. They were using this case to make a statement, something they were not able to do. The reason they were not able to do this was because their case was not strong enough simple as that. If it were they wouldnt have given him such a good option. Like I said earlier they tried to bait taylor earlier with a plea bargain that included no jail time but he'd have to take a felony on his record, taylor turned it down because he felt he was innocent and that hed rather go to trial and prove that than accept a felony.

Also if you paid any attention to sports you'd know that it was a Cleveland Indian player and do you know why he ran from the cops? It was because he let someone who was drunk drive his car. Do you really think you go to jail for that? Come on, how many times did you run from the cops when you were a teenager when a party got busted. It's not like the guy ran in his car, he got out and ran.

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:22 AM

If you were to follow this case closely you would have known that noone on the other side wanted to give sean taylor a slap on the wrist. They were using this case to make a statement, something they were not able to do. The reason they were not able to do this was because their case was not strong enough simple as that. If it were they wouldnt have given him such a good option. Like I said earlier they tried to bait taylor earlier with a plea bargain that included no jail time but he'd have to take a felony on his record, taylor turned it down because he felt he was innocent and that hed rather go to trial and prove that than accept a felony.

dude, again, DAs can't indict someone unless there is enough evidence to convict, a trial is all about convicing a jury of someone's guilt, you could have all the evidence in the world, and present your case wrong, and the defendent will get off scotch free, DAs aren't looking to make statements, they are seeking justice, the notion that the MIami state attorneys office was after Taylor is nonsense, the case against him was legitimate, to say the DA's case wasn't strong enough, you would have to have access to all the evidence, files, witness statements, police reports and more, but to say it was strong enough, all you need to know is that the DA went ahead and indicted him

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:25 AM

dude, again, DAs can't indict someone unless there is enough evidence to convict, a trial is all about convicing a jury of someone's guilt, you could have all the evidence in the world, and present your case wrong, and the defendent will get off scotch free, DAs aren't looking to make statements, they are seeking justice, the notion that the MIami state attorneys office was after Taylor is nonsense, the case against him was legitimate

you REALLY werent following this case were you? The lead prosecuter and hopeful DA was dismissed from the case due to the fact he was using it to promote his dj business. He was CLEARLY using this case for reasons other than justice. That man is now currently unemployed, please get your facts straight.

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:27 AM

BigDFan5

06-01-2006, 01:31 AM

you REALLY werent following this case were you? The lead prosecuter and hopeful DA was dismissed from the case due to the fact he was using it to promote his dj business. He was CLEARLY using this case for reasons other than justice. That man is now currently unemployed, please get your facts straight.

How exactly was he "promoting" a DJ business, he had links to published articles on a page, it was not his personal commentary just links to news sites. The defense went on a witch hunt and got him to leave the case.

Facts are facts the prosecution had enough evidence to indict him, and obviously enough to make aylor plead guilty to something all redskins fans said he didnt do.

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:31 AM

:laugh1: that's all you got? even still, after he was replaced, the state of Florida still decided to pursue the case

And another person was given the job as the lead prosecuter and after a few weeks he offered a plea bargain guranteeing Taylor would be in no trouble. This was a deal Greco wouldnt have considered offering. MAYBE this is because Greco was using this case for reasons OTHER THAN JUSTICE(sound famililar) and the new lead prosecuter saw that there was NO evdience that sean taylor threatened anyone with a gun.

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:33 AM

How exactly was he "promoting" a DJ business, he had links to published articles on a page, it was not his personal commentary just links to news sites. The defense went on a witch hunt and got him to leave the case.

Facts are facts the prosecution had enough evidence to indict him, and obviously enough to make aylor plead guilty to something all redskins fans said he didnt do.

We as redskins fans NEVER claimed there was no altercatrion(which is pretty much what those charges mean) we just feel he didnt threaten anyone with a gun and there is no proof that he did.(Wheres the gun??)

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:33 AM

MAYBE this is because Greco was using this case for reasons OTHER THAN JUSTICE(sound famililar) and the new lead prosecuter saw that there was NO evdience that sean taylor threatened anyone with a gun.

how do you know what the new prosecutor saw? please, spare me the conjecture

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:35 AM

we just feel he didnt threaten anyone with a gun and there is no proof that he did.(Wheres the gun??)

this isn't like a murder, you don't need the weapon to prove someone pointed a gun at another person or persons, 2 witness statements is enough to get someone convicted of that

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:37 AM

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:38 AM

this isn't like a murder, you don't need a weapon to prove someone pointed a gun at another person or persons, 2 witness statements is enough to get someone convicted of that
Two witness statements from two guys who BOTH have lousy criminal records. If Taylor is such a bad guy than you must really dislike his accusers. I just dont understand how the opinion of those two guys is enough to put a man away for 46 years.

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:40 AM

for all we know, the DA could have been scared of Taylor's lawyers, and if the case wasn't strong enough, why would Taylor's lawyers make numerous attempts to have the case thrown out on technicalities before going to trial?

Dude, lawyers are CONSTANTLY trying to get cases thrown out before they happen. Most of the time it doesn't work but its worth a shot. Why do it? Well because its A LOT easier than just going to court. Don't you think?

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:40 AM

Two witness statements from two guys who BOTH have lousy criminal records.

that could be another reason why the DA approached TAylor about a plea, that still doesn't mean the case wasn't strong enough

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:41 AM

Dude, lawyers are CONSTANTLY trying to get cases thrown out before they happen. Most of the time it doesn't work but its worth a shot. Why do it? Well because its A LOT easier than just going to court. Don't you think?

and why do you think every lawyer is trying to get cases thrown out? oh, maybe because the DA has strong enough evidence, which is needed in order to indict?

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:43 AM

and why do you think every lawyer is trying to get cases thrown out? oh, maybe because the DA has strong enough evidence, which is needed in order to indict?

So you are saying every time a person is convicted of something it means they are guilty. Man, if the country was run by you the jails would be VERY crowded.

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:45 AM

So you are saying every time a person is convicted of something it means they are guilty. Man, if the country was run by you the jails would be VERY crowded.

I'm not saying everyone is guilty, that's why there's a term, "innocent until proven guilty", just that a DA needs strong evidence in order to indict someone, esp. in felony cases, this case would never have reached a judge's desk w/o enough evidence

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:48 AM

I'm not saying everyone is guilty, that's why there's a term, "innocent until proven guilty", just that a DA needs strong evidence in order to indict someone, esp. in felony cases, this case would never have reached a judge's desk w/o enough evidence

And obviously the prosecution didnt have enough evidence to use against Taylor in trial or they wouldnt have dropped all three felonies.

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:48 AM

DAs don't choose to prosecute people in felony cases, hell, misdemeanor cases, unless they see enough evidence of guilt

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:49 AM

And obviously the prosecution didnt have enough evidence or they wouldnt have dropped all three felonies.

shows you know next to nothing about the law, for the upteenth time

DAs...NEED....STRONG...EVIDENCE...IN ORDER...TO...INDICT

apickmans

06-01-2006, 01:50 AM

lets be honest. You guys arent gonna be able to convince the other what you think.

Only thing that matters is that Taylor is not going to jail. Will prob miss a game or 2 during the begin. of the season and that is that. No reason to still be arguing about all this.

skinsfunguy

06-01-2006, 01:50 AM

DAs don't choose to prosecute people in felony cases, hell, misdemeanor cases, unless they see enough evidence of guilt

I'm officially done with this argument. Please go back and review this case before you make dumb comments. Good night.

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 01:51 AM

lets be honest. You guys arent gonna be able to convince the other what you think.

yep, conjecture will never convince me of anything

apickmans

06-01-2006, 01:59 AM

haha seems to be summer that you just like to argue or put your 2 cents in about every single subject. Ive noticed that youre the last one to post on almost every single thread.

Billy Bullocks

06-01-2006, 03:48 AM

I agree kobe, not too surprising an outcome. Check out the link below for a real good background story on the whole Taylor incident from the beginning. It gives you a peek at the type of company he sometimes keeps too:

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2006-05-25/news/feature.html

Your boys are your boys...regardless of how you came up. Personally, I would rather trust a bunch of thugs (if I came up with them) over all the people who have met me since I became a high profile athlete.

Of course he just got a slap on the wrist, anyone think he was doing time for this?

And sometimes you take a plea bargain because it's alot easier than going to trial, and less hassle. That's how the system works, sometimes even if you are innocent, the threat of going to jail is enough to get you to cop to something alot less serious.

jackrussell

06-01-2006, 04:59 AM

Also if you paid any attention to sports you'd know that it was a Cleveland Indian player and do you know why he ran from the cops? It was because he let someone who was drunk drive his car. Do you really think you go to jail for that?

Well actually, jail was the last thing he had to worry about. The woman he was caught with wasn't his wife.

Come on, how many times did you run from the cops when you were a teenager when a party got busted.

Like, never?

CrazyCowboy

06-01-2006, 06:46 AM

Big $$$$ usually wins probation.....

lukeduke

06-01-2006, 07:24 AM

Getting back to the suspension. Isn't he still facing some sort of punishment for the spitting incident? There was no ruling because the offense happened in the post season. :confused:

hipfake08

06-01-2006, 07:36 AM

Big $$$$ usually wins probation.....

Exactly. They hire a great lawyer to get him off.
The State only has a budget so large to go after these guys and go to court.

Economics 101.

What I'm curious about will be the NFL ruling.
When the suspension is.
What it will cover. Team contact and facilities usage.

Yeagermeister

06-01-2006, 07:40 AM

I said it multiple times in different threads he'd get off with nothing more than probabtion.

burmafrd

06-01-2006, 08:15 AM

Its just a matter of time before this THUG gets caught and goes up the river.
Skins homers are too stupid to figure that out.

RiggoForever

06-01-2006, 08:30 AM

Getting back to the suspension. Isn't he still facing some sort of punishment for the spitting incident? There was no ruling because the offense happened in the post season. :confused:

Nope. I know because in our 1999 playoff victory over the Lions, Tre Johnson hit a ref while in a scuffle with another player, Johnson was ejected from the game, and told he would be suspended for the first game of the 2000 season that same week. He was allowed to play the next playoff game against the Bucs, because the NFL determined suspending him from a playoff game would be too severe.

If Taylor was to be suspended for that, we would know by now. He was withheld his game check I believe.

dfense

06-01-2006, 08:38 AM

You've got that right. Trouble follows people who have a history of it. He surrounds himself with trouble makers. He will slip up and get his soon enough. He just isn't very smart. Stupidis as stupid does.

Avery

06-01-2006, 09:02 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2466163

MIAMI -- Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor has reached an agreement with prosecutors to drop felony charges against him and plead no contest to two misdemeanors in his assault case, avoiding jail time and the possibility of missing any of the upcoming NFL season.

The deal calls for Taylor to be placed on 18 months of probation, talk to students at 10 Miami-Dade County schools about staying in school and make contributions of $1,000 for scholarships to each of those schools, defense attorney Richard Sharpstein said Thursday. A hearing was scheduled for later in the day.

Taylor, 23, had faced a maximum of 46 years in prison if convicted on three aggravated assault charges and one misdemeanor charge stemming from a confrontation last June with a group of people in a dispute over all-terrain vehicles that Taylor owns. Trial had been scheduled to start July 10.

Under the plea deal, the aggravated assault charges will be dropped and Taylor will plead no contest to misdemeanor counts of simple battery and simple assault. If he does not violate probation, even those charges would be eliminated from his record.

"This is a fair and just resolution to this case that was blown out of proportion from the beginning," Sharpstein said. "It's a great outcome for Sean."

The agreement came after the original prosecutor on the case, Michael Grieco, resigned in April after Taylor's lawyers claimed he was using the notoriety to promote his moonlighting business as a nightclub disc jockey. Grieco had posted links to news articles about the case on a personal Internet site.

Taylor's lawyers had repeatedly questioned whether the charges were warranted and whether the victims and witnesses in the case -- many of whom have criminal records -- were reliable.

Taylor, a former University of Miami standout, signed a seven-year, $18 million contract with the Redskins after he was drafted in 2004. He has six interceptions and 120 tackles in two NFL seasons, but has become almost as well-known for his troubles.

Taylor has been fined seven times during his professional career for late hits and other infractions, including a $17,000 penalty for spitting in the face of Tampa Bay running back Michael Pittman during a January playoff game. He was also fined $25,000 for skipping a mandatory rookie symposium.

theogt

06-01-2006, 09:05 AM

Heard about this on Sirius NFL this morning. Who didn't see this coming from a mile away?

CaptainAmerica

06-01-2006, 09:06 AM

A plea was bound to happen eventually with a new prosecutor, the weakness of the prosecution's case as a result of all the unsavory characters involved in this mess.

It just wasn't a good case for the prosecution, but the risk to the defense to go to trial was too great. Thus, a plea deal.

Hostile

06-01-2006, 09:07 AM

I can't wait to hear the Skins fans claim it proves he's innocent. Uh, that isn't what no contest means.

Yakuza Rich

06-01-2006, 09:08 AM

I can't wait to hear the Skins fans claim it proves he's innocent. Uh, that isn't what no contest means.

They already are over at Extreme Skins.

Rich.......

Alexander

06-01-2006, 09:09 AM

I can't wait to hear the Skins fans claim it proves he's innocent. Uh, that isn't what no contest means.

They already have.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56376

You see, he really just wanted it all over with. He's really innocent, but he just took the bargain because he wanted to put this all behind him and concentrate on football.:rolleyes:

Alexander

06-01-2006, 09:10 AM

They already are over at Extreme Skins.

Rich.......

I feel like punishing myself and having my intellect challenged.

Link?

sacase

06-01-2006, 09:11 AM

Its even funnier that they think he won't get suspended. I think there is no question of him being suspended especially in light of his prior fines levied by the NFL.

StanleySpadowski

06-01-2006, 09:51 AM

If I was a 'skins' fan, this deal would scare the heck out of me. Slap on the wrist, donate some loose change to a few schools.....

I said when Taylor "beat" his DUI that it spelled trouble for him because an arrogant young man found out that he could buy his way out of jeopardy. I predicted then that he'd be arrested for something even more serious (legally speaking, not trying to imply DUI is not serious) within the next year.

Now that he's "beaten the system" twice, his opinion of himself as "untouchable" will only rise. A short stint in jail may have cured that and his fans should have been hoping for a 15 day sentence. Short enough not to affect his offseason but long enough to let him know there will be consequences for his actions.

Any plea does set up a civil suit well so maybe a large judgement against him will wake him up but with the victim so unsympathetic that appears doubtful.

The over/under on his next offense is two years and I'd be willing to wager that it won't be for jaywalking.

trickblue

06-01-2006, 09:56 AM

I can't wait to hear the Skins fans claim it proves he's innocent. Uh, that isn't what no contest means.

Here are a couple of the classics...

Agreed!

If you listen to the interviews with the young man, it's obvious that he's got a good head on his shoulders and I do believe that he was raised right.

I think that he's just got to realize that he's got a lot on the line and, as such, should pick his friends more carefully. Moss and Portis seem like great influences, hopefully he'll follow their lead.
it's gonna be a sad day at cowboyszone.com, silly pokes thought he was going to jail:nana:

wow.... well im relieved... i guess i will be getting a sean taylor jersey. now i cant wait to see what all of the fans over in cowboyszone think... :laugh:

Yes, I am a TRUE Redskins fan and have been one for a very long time... That's why I trust the coaches to get players of integrity and class... Redskins have always been about character. Unlike the cowboys, when they jump from one flavor of the month to the next no matter how much integrity or character they lack...
I'm am so freaking Happy this got done..but I hope Taylor learns from this mistake not from the fact tha he almost went to jail but that someone sprayed his car with like 46 bullets - The kid almost died so pls SEAN TAYLOR just concentrate on killing TO and everyone else yr after yr!!

superpunk

06-01-2006, 09:56 AM

I can't wait to hear the Skins fans claim it proves he's innocent. Uh, that isn't what no contest means.

If it is, can't we claim Irvin never did coke?

MossBurner

06-01-2006, 10:22 AM

Taylor pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors: simple battery and simple assault. These are the same charges that would follow a two punch bar fight. If Sean does not violate his probation, all charges will be erased from his record.

The new DA had no personal vendetta (unlike the NFL DA "Grieco") and realized there was no case. Sean admitted all along that he was involved in a street fight. This is how he was punished. All felony charges were dropped and Sean pleaded 'NO CONTEST' to a street fight.

He will be fined, not suspended, by the NFL. Ray Lewis was found guilty of obstruction of justice in a federal investigation involving a murder (much more serious charges than Sean) and received only a large fine of $250K. Sean will get a fine less than $75K; that is all that is appropriate.

superpunk

06-01-2006, 10:24 AM

He will be fined, not suspended, by the NFL.

Is that you, Miss Cleo?

theogt

06-01-2006, 10:25 AM

If it is, can't we claim Irvin never did coke?And Jerry's never stepped foot in a plastic surgeon's office.

MossBurner

06-01-2006, 10:26 AM

burmafrd

06-01-2006, 10:27 AM

Just a matter of time. Thug is as a thug is. Now he thinks he is untouchable.
And the moronic skins homers claim he is somekind of angel. That is pathetic.

superpunk

06-01-2006, 10:27 AM

And Jerry's never stepped foot in a plastic surgeon's office.

Did Jerry ever plead no contest to that?:laugh1: /smack/

Hostile

06-01-2006, 10:27 AM

burmafrd

06-01-2006, 10:28 AM

All the things he has been involved in in just TWO YEARS. BUt the dumb foreskins think he is just fine. And they have the nerve to talk about Irvin.

MossBurner

06-01-2006, 10:30 AM

Is that you, Miss Cleo?

I don't work for the NFL. All anyone can do is speculate based on punishments for crimes in the past.

From the NFL Office's standpoint, this is what happened:

Sean Taylor pleaded no contest to a street-fight.

There is no way he will be suspended.

MossBurner

06-01-2006, 10:31 AM

Yeah, we all knew this because we can read. No contest doesn't mean innocent. Try and remember that. He still has character issues that could crop up down the road. This means it will bite him if he slips up. One night with too much to drink and he could be in trouble.

Everyone can read, but I don't think everyone on this board is looking at the FACTS & RESOLUTION in this case.

Also, Sean Taylor is not a boy scout. But it doesn't need to be said a thousand times.

burmafrd

06-01-2006, 10:32 AM

What a great admission" Sean Taylor is not a Boy Scout". HE IS A THUG you moron. BUT you cannot admit it.

Alexander

06-01-2006, 10:33 AM

There is no way he will be suspended.

We'll see.

Taylor will plead no contest contest to one misdemeanor battery charge and one misdemeanor assault charge. He's certain to get a fine from the league, and a league suspension appears possible, although no one is commenting at this time. Taylor will be at training camp.

MossBurner

06-01-2006, 10:35 AM

What a great admission" Sean Taylor is not a Boy Scout". HE IS A THUG you moron. BUT you cannot admit it.

I guess you're assuming he was guilty of the weapons charge, huh?

burmafrd

06-01-2006, 10:36 AM

Moss- JUST LOOK AT HIS RECORD. WHAT he has done. HE IS A THUG. AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE GUTS OR HONESTY to admit it.

Yakuza Rich

06-01-2006, 10:37 AM

If the prosecution truly felt sean taylor had a gun they would not have offered him a deal that dropped that charge. They obviously realized they didnt have a strong case so they offered a deal that could get them something.

Not exactly true.

It depends on the crime being committed and the person's past criminal history. If Taylor had a long rap sheet, the prosecution would've most likely went on with the case. If Taylor wasn't a professional athlete and didn't have any the career prospects that he currently has, there's a good chance this could've gone to trial. If Taylor was being accused of more than just brandishing a gun, this very well could've gone to trial. If Taylor's accusers didn't come out and say "he should still get to play football", this very well could've gone to trial.

I don't blame Taylor for taking the plea bargain, but to think that a plea bargain is the prosecution's way of admitting they didn't have much of case isn't really true.

Rich...........

Yakuza Rich

06-01-2006, 10:39 AM

What a great admission" Sean Taylor is not a Boy Scout". HE IS A THUG you moron. BUT you cannot admit it.

Sean Taylor IS a Boy Scout. As in the "Last Boy Scout" as he will certainly pull a Billy Cole and start shooting at players with his glock on the field.

:)

Rich.............

burmafrd

06-01-2006, 10:41 AM

A GOOD prosecuter will take a case to court that he really thinks he can win. Since EVERYONE involved in this case is scum, he probably figured that it would not hold up for a conviction. Taylor had a gun and everyone knows it- but since the only testimony was scum, there you are. But don't worry- moronic thugs like taylor sooner or later will take the fall- his luck cannot last forever.

CooterBrown

06-01-2006, 10:41 AM

He is able to stay more focused, plus theres NO CHANCE of him seeing any jail time.

This isn't exactly correct. Reading between the lines here, it looks like what is called a Deferred Adjudication. He pleads "no contest", the judge finds that there is sufficient evidence to find him "guilty" of the charge but does not enter a guilty verdict. Instead, the judge places him on a supervised probation. If Mr. Taylor successfully completes the probation, the charge will be dismissed and he will not have a conviction on his record. HOWEVER, if Mr. Taylor does not adhere to all the terms and conditions of probation the judge will enter a finding of guilt and can, at the judge's sole discretion sentence Mr. Taylor to the maximum jail time allowed for the offense.

Just a few of the Typical terms and conditions of probation are:
1. report monthly to the probation officer
2. commit no offenses against any law in any state
3. consume no alcohol
4. use no illegal drugs
5. Submit to UA at any time requested by probation

(there are plenty of others but no need to go overboard.)

Bottom line is that Mr. Taylor still faces the possibility of jail time, but if he behaves himself and does what he is required to do, he'll be fine.

Question is: Can he behave himself long enough to get by?

burmafrd

06-01-2006, 10:42 AM

There is no way that THUG can stay straight for 18 months. Its just a matter of time.

SkinsandTerps

06-01-2006, 10:42 AM

What a great admission" Sean Taylor is not a Boy Scout". HE IS A THUG you moron. BUT you cannot admit it.

Wow. Thats not even needed. Get a grip.

burmafrd

06-01-2006, 10:44 AM

You get a grip: have you read the BS that Moss is spewing?

SkinsandTerps

06-01-2006, 10:48 AM

You get a grip: have you read the BS that Moss is spewing?

So he is a moron because he has a different point of view than you ?

Regardless, if he is totally off base the name calling and bashing isnt really needed.

You dont agree make a valid argument to rebutt. But to just name call and bash is simply juvenile. (Although, we all do it from time to time)

Seems to me that you are more upset about this than most and feel the need to vent. Go for it. But to simply call people morons, thugs, and such is not very convincing.

burmafrd

06-01-2006, 10:49 AM

OK calling Moss a moron was wrong. Shouldn't have done it. BUT TAYLOR IS A THUG.

Hostile

06-01-2006, 10:50 AM

Everyone can read, but I don't think everyone on this board is looking at the FACTS & RESOLUTION in this case.

Also, Sean Taylor is not a boy scout. But it doesn't need to be said a thousand times.You aren't the Jiminy Cricket of this forum. If you don't like reading our opinions avoid logging in.

Yeagermeister

06-01-2006, 10:50 AM

We tried to leaving this up but it's going down hill fast.

sacase

06-01-2006, 10:50 AM

Another thing that needs to be noted he doesn't have to be convicted of a crime, he just has to be arrested and accused of one.

Don't belive me, look at the NC rape case. One of the players was on probation in DC and since he got accused of the crime in NC guess what....probation revoked!

Hostile

06-01-2006, 10:52 AM

Not exactly true.

It depends on the crime being committed and the person's past criminal history. If Taylor had a long rap sheet, the prosecution would've most likely went on with the case. If Taylor wasn't a professional athlete and didn't have any the career prospects that he currently has, there's a good chance this could've gone to trial. If Taylor was being accused of more than just brandishing a gun, this very well could've gone to trial. If Taylor's accusers didn't come out and say "he should still get to play football", this very well could've gone to trial.

I don't blame Taylor for taking the plea bargain, but to think that a plea bargain is the prosecution's way of admitting they didn't have much of case isn't really true.

Rich...........Good post.

No contest from the defense means they acknowledge there's enough to find some guilt and they wish to avoid prosecution so they plead it down.

No contest from the prosecution means they acknowledge their case isn't strong because the victims aren't innocent themselves.

Hostile

06-01-2006, 10:54 AM

This isn't exactly correct. Reading between the lines here, it looks like what is called a Deferred Adjudication. He pleads "no contest", the judge finds that there is sufficient evidence to find him "guilty" of the charge but does not enter a guilty verdict. Instead, the judge places him on a supervised probation. If Mr. Taylor successfully completes the probation, the charge will be dismissed and he will not have a conviction on his record. HOWEVER, if Mr. Taylor does not adhere to all the terms and conditions of probation the judge will enter a finding of guilt and can, at the judge's sole discretion sentence Mr. Taylor to the maximum jail time allowed for the offense.

Just a few of the Typical terms and conditions of probation are:
1. report monthly to the probation officer
2. commit no offenses against any law in any state
3. consume no alcohol
4. use no illegal drugs
5. Submit to UA at any time requested by probation

(there are plenty of others but no need to go overboard.)

Bottom line is that Mr. Taylor still faces the possibility of jail time, but if he behaves himself and does what he is required to do, he'll be fine.

Question is: Can he behave himself long enough to get by?Great post. 100% correct. Wish I had read this before I posted my last.

SkinsandTerps

06-01-2006, 11:07 AM

trickblue

06-01-2006, 11:15 AM

Hostile

06-01-2006, 11:15 AM

But most judges, in most situations, tend to go along with the combined efforts of the two sides to come to an agreement.

I would think that most of these conditions have been taken into consideration.

If not he just needs to GROW UP.That is very true all the way around.

It's fine to be happy he's avoiding jail and you're keeping your player. I think proclaiming him innocent, as some of your chorts are trying to do, is a farce. He's not innocent. If he was innocent, there could be no possible repercussions for future missteps.

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 11:45 AM

Sean Taylor pleaded no contest to a street-fight.

I think they view it as much more serious than that

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 11:46 AM

This isn't exactly correct. Reading between the lines here, it looks like what is called a Deferred Adjudication. He pleads "no contest", the judge finds that there is sufficient evidence to find him "guilty" of the charge but does not enter a guilty verdict. Instead, the judge places him on a supervised probation. If Mr. Taylor successfully completes the probation, the charge will be dismissed and he will not have a conviction on his record. HOWEVER, if Mr. Taylor does not adhere to all the terms and conditions of probation the judge will enter a finding of guilt and can, at the judge's sole discretion sentence Mr. Taylor to the maximum jail time allowed for the offense.

Just a few of the Typical terms and conditions of probation are:
1. report monthly to the probation officer
2. commit no offenses against any law in any state
3. consume no alcohol
4. use no illegal drugs
5. Submit to UA at any time requested by probation

(there are plenty of others but no need to go overboard.)

Bottom line is that Mr. Taylor still faces the possibility of jail time, but if he behaves himself and does what he is required to do, he'll be fine.

Question is: Can he behave himself long enough to get by?

:hammer: exactly, I just got a DUI and the judge gave me probation before judgment, so I know all about that

menace

06-01-2006, 12:10 PM

Let's give it a rest. We all knew what the outcome would be. The fact is, Sean Taylor is not going to jail and that is final. End of Story.

Hostile

06-01-2006, 12:14 PM

Let's give it a rest. We all knew what the outcome would be. The fact is, Sean Taylor is not going to jail and that is final. End of Story.Like I told your cohort. You're not Jiminy Cricket for this forum.

menace

06-01-2006, 12:26 PM

Like I told your cohort. You're not Jiminy Cricket for this forum.

It is great to see cowboy fans all upset about this.

SkinsHokieFan

06-01-2006, 12:32 PM

It is great to see cowboy fans all upset about this.

I wonder why they would be?

That hit on Crayton in the first game maybe? Or maybe alligator arms Glenn in Week 15

ST now has to prove that he isn't the immature kid he was coming out of Miami. Nice guy, great athlete, but those who have met the guy know he is immature as hell (as many U athletes tend to be right when they come out)

We'll see if he learns from this and can move on

Bob Sacamano

06-01-2006, 12:38 PM

It is great to see cowboy fans all upset about this.

I'm not upset, in fact, I got one of your cohorts upset

Hostile

06-01-2006, 12:38 PM

It is great to see cowboy fans all upset about this.I'm not the least bit upset. I predicted the day the story broke that he'd skate away from this. Well, as it runs out, I may have been wrong. He has 18 months to stay out of trouble or this comes back to bite him. That's a hell of a lot more than I figured on.

AdamJT13

06-01-2006, 12:40 PM

From the NFL Office's standpoint, this is what happened:

Sean Taylor pleaded no contest to a street-fight.

There is no way he will be suspended.

The NFL's Conduct Policy specifically states that doing just that could result in a fine, suspension or banishment. Prohibited conduct includes "any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons"

Hostile

06-01-2006, 12:52 PM

The NFL's Conduct Policy specifically states that doing just that could result in a fine, suspension or banishment. Prohibited conduct includes "any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons"http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/D_oh.jpg/250px-D_oh.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:D_oh.jpg)

skinsterp

06-01-2006, 12:58 PM

The NFL's Conduct Policy specifically states that doing just that could result in a fine, suspension or banishment. Prohibited conduct includes "any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons"

The operative word is 'could'.

Per my ExtremeSkins colleague KevinMac -

If this is indeed "no contest without conviction, " it is NOT a plea bargain, no matter how it is
worded in press releases. The end result, after the probation period, will be the same as if the
case went to trial and Taylor was found not guilty on all counts. He will have zip on his record,
not even a misdemeanor, and the record certainly will not reflect any form of "plea." This is
different than a case being expunged from the record. You see this in legal drug cases (i.e.,
prescriptions) all the time. While gun charges are certainly more serious than buying too many pain
pills, the principle is still the same. At the end of the day it will be as if this whole thing
never happened.
I am sure the NFL will try to suspend Sean, and I'm confident that he will have a solid appeal if
he chooses to follow it. The question will be whether or not the arbiter agrees.
-------------------------------------------------
Personally, I think the NFL will only impose a fine and no suspension.
We'll just have to wait and see.

-skinsterp

Alexander

06-01-2006, 01:01 PM

It is great to see cowboy fans all upset about this.

As stated before, nobody really cares he got off. It was highly probable to begin with. What is annoying are Redskin fans such as yourself running around in here talking out of your backsides stating absolutes like "he will never get suspended". When he does, I am sure you and your lot will whine about it also.

boysfanindc

06-01-2006, 01:08 PM

Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor appeared in Miami circuit court Thursday and entered a plea of no contest to misdemeanor assault and battery charges to bring to an end the year-long saga surrounding his arrest one year ago after a street fight in a depressed part of Miami.

The plea agreement included the dismissal of felony assault charges and requires no jail time, and it seemed to represent an extremely favorable outcome in a case in which Taylor faced up to 46 years in prison. Taylor, however, who appeared in court in a tan pin-striped suit and open-neck dress shirt, told the Judge Leonard Glick in a crowded courtroom that he accepted the deal reluctantly.

"This is obviously something that's kind of a hard pill for me to swallow," Taylor, 23, said near the end of the 30-minute hearing after indicating to the judge he wanted to make a statement. "This is not something I think I'm guilty of, [but] so I can move on with my life, and everyone can move on with theirs . . . I accept this."

With the resolution of his legal case, Taylor still faces possible disciplinary action by the NFL, which could fine him or suspend him under its personal conduct policy. Richard Sharpstein, Taylor's lead attorney, said he discussed the plea deal with NFL general counsel Dennis Curran, who indicated that similar cases have resulted in fines and one- or two-game suspensions. Sharpstein said he intended to fax the plea deal to the NFL Thursday.

"We hope they take action quickly -- or not take action quickly," he said.

In addition to the no-contest pleas, Taylor agreed to visit 10 schools in the Miami area during the next 18 months and speak to students about the importance of maintaining self-control and furthering their education. He also agreed to donate a $1,000 educational scholarship to one student at each school and pay $429 in court costs.

"I think this will help me reach some kids and show them this is not the way to be," Taylor said in brief comments after the hearing. "I've got to educate some kids."

Sharpstein, from the Washington-based law firm Jorden Burt, said Taylor flew to Miami over Memorial Day weekend when he learned prosecutor Abe Laeser wanted to meet with Taylor's defense team to discuss the case this week. Taylor, who was accompanied to court by his father Pedro Taylor, the chief of police in Florida City, Fla., will remain in Miami with family through the weekend before joining the Redskins for workouts next week, Sharpstein said.

"He's going to go back and do his job and intercept footballs for the Redskins," Sharpstein said.

Taylor, in brief comments to reporters after the hearing, said weathering the mental strain of the case was "not hard at all." He said the deal was "in the best interest of my family, my friends, me and my team and for what I have to do."

Taylor had been accused of brandishing a gun, making threats and initiating a street fight last June 1 with a group of people he believed were responsible for the theft of his two all-terrain vehicles out of a neighbor's driveway. After Taylor retreated from the fight, his blue GMC Yukon Denali was sprayed with gunfire while it was parked in a neighbor's driveway.

No charges were filed in the shooting incident, but Taylor was charged days later with one count of misdemeanor battery and one count of felony assault with a weapon. The felony charge was tripled in January with the addition of two additional victims to the case, raising the maximum jail time he faced from 16 to 46 years. The three felony charges each carried a minimum three-year sentence.

Sharpstein and his wife Janice Burton Sharpstein argued since they joined Taylor's defense team in February that the charges were overblown and that Taylor had been singled out by a publicity-hungry prosecutor. That prosecutor, Mike Grieco, gave up the case in April after Sharpstein discovered Grieco had links to media reports of the Taylor case on a personal Web site that detailed his exploits as a Miami Beach disc jockey.

"It is unequivocally clear the original prosecutor was ego-driven . . . and wasn't looking at this case for what it was," Sharpstein said.

Said Taylor: "I think [my attorneys] looked out for my best interest and I also looked out for my best interest in this case. I think the plea that was offered is very good and I think I'm able to carry that out with no problem."

CooterBrown

06-01-2006, 01:22 PM

I don't work for the NFL. All anyone can do is speculate based on punishments for crimes in the past.

From the NFL Office's standpoint, this is what happened:

Sean Taylor pleaded no contest to a street-fight.

There is no way he will be suspended.

I am not familiar with the laws in Florida, but there is probably not much differnce than here in Texas.

Here, a street fight is a Class C offense and is called "Disorderly Conduct".
and can only result in a fine of up to $500.

"Assault" is when you intentionally injure someone and you did not have a legal right to do so. This is a Class A misdemeanor and can result in a year in jail.

That is a pretty significant difference.

And, for what it's worth, the only differnce between a plea of "guilty" and a plea of "no contest" is that the no-contest plea cannot be used against you in any civil law suit that might arise from the same incident. It might sound better, but it really doesn't make any difference in a criminal proceeding.

And, I'm sure you can find someone in Vegas that will take a bet on whether or not Taylor is suspended.

Personally, I don't care one way or the other. Taylor is a good football player, but a strong safety's presence or absence in one or more games won't make any differnce in the outcome of the season.

CooterBrown

06-01-2006, 01:32 PM

The operative word is 'could'.

Per my ExtremeSkins colleague KevinMac -

If this is indeed "no contest without conviction, " it is NOT a plea bargain, no matter how it is
worded in press releases. The end result, after the probation period, will be the same as if the
case went to trial and Taylor was found not guilty on all counts. He will have zip on his record,
not even a misdemeanor, and the record certainly will not reflect any form of "plea." This is
different than a case being expunged from the record. You see this in legal drug cases (i.e.,
prescriptions) all the time. While gun charges are certainly more serious than buying too many pain
pills, the principle is still the same. At the end of the day it will be as if this whole thing
never happened.
I am sure the NFL will try to suspend Sean, and I'm confident that he will have a solid appeal if
he chooses to follow it. The question will be whether or not the arbiter agrees.
-------------------------------------------------
Personally, I think the NFL will only impose a fine and no suspension.
We'll just have to wait and see.

-skinsterp

As I said in my earlier post, the laws may be different in Florida than Texas, but I seriously doubt there is much difference. And if so, you have been misinformed.
In Texas, when a person goes to trial and is found "not guilty", they can have their record expunged and the arrest and charge are removed from the records of all court and law enforcement agencies.
When a person enters a plea, (see my last post for the relevance of No-contest plea in a criminal proceeding) and is placed on community supervision, they can never have that record expunged, and even though it does not show a conviction, the arrest record, and the court documents are there and will show up on any criminal background check.

Hostile

06-01-2006, 01:40 PM

The operative word is 'could'.

Per my ExtremeSkins colleague KevinMac -

If this is indeed "no contest without conviction, " it is NOT a plea bargain, no matter how it is
worded in press releases. The end result, after the probation period, will be the same as if the
case went to trial and Taylor was found not guilty on all counts. He will have zip on his record,
not even a misdemeanor, and the record certainly will not reflect any form of "plea." This is
different than a case being expunged from the record. You see this in legal drug cases (i.e.,
prescriptions) all the time. While gun charges are certainly more serious than buying too many pain
pills, the principle is still the same. At the end of the day it will be as if this whole thing
never happened.
I am sure the NFL will try to suspend Sean, and I'm confident that he will have a solid appeal if
he chooses to follow it. The question will be whether or not the arbiter agrees.
-------------------------------------------------
Personally, I think the NFL will only impose a fine and no suspension.
We'll just have to wait and see.

-skinsterpSorry, but your colleague KevinMac is only partially correct, as several of you here have been.

He is correct that this is NOT a plea bargain. That means bargaining down to lesser charges.

He is incorrect in saying "At the end of the day it will be as if this whole thing
never happened." That ONLY happens when a judgment of "not guilty" has been secured.

"No contest" does not mean "not guilty." He is being given a probationary period. When you screw up while on probation you are in serious trouble.

As I said before, one night in 18 months of partying too much and not being in control, and he's in a world of trouble.

Cooter Brown's posts on this are dead on the money. Your colleague KevinMac is seeing the bright side and keeping his eyes closed to a lot of facts.

Alexander

06-01-2006, 02:02 PM

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/0d/07/20060106164509990005

Washington's finest.

skinsterp

06-01-2006, 02:18 PM

Sorry, but your colleague KevinMac is only partially correct, as several of you here have been.

He is correct that this is NOT a plea bargain. That means bargaining down to lesser charges.

He is incorrect in saying "At the end of the day it will be as if this whole thing
never happened." That ONLY happens when a judgment of "not guilty" has been secured.

"No contest" does not mean "not guilty." He is being given a probationary period. When you screw up while on probation you are in serious trouble.

As I said before, one night in 18 months of partying too much and not being in control, and he's in a world of trouble.

Cooter Brown's posts on this are dead on the money. Your colleague KevinMac is seeing the bright side and keeping his eyes closed to a lot of facts.

OK. So where are the facts being ignored? If Taylor stays out of trouble for the 18 month probationary period (not a given, for sure), will that essentially meet the judges criteria and all charges 'disappear'? You can understand 'Skins fans choosing to be optimistic, just as I can understand you wishing and perhaps hoping Taylor slips up again. God help me, but I think Taylor has learned from this past year. We'll see. Incidently, I concur with you on Cooter Brown's post. It's pretty clear that Taylor needs to keep on the straight and narrow.

AdamJT13

06-01-2006, 02:42 PM

The operative word is 'could'.

And in the vast majority of incidents involving a violent crime, "could" has resulted in a one-game suspension.

Hostile

06-01-2006, 02:51 PM

OK. So where are the facts being ignored? If Taylor stays out of trouble for the 18 month probationary period (not a given, for sure), will that essentially meet the judges criteria and all charges 'disappear'? You can understand 'Skins fans choosing to be optimistic, just as I can understand you wishing and perhaps hoping Taylor slips up again. God help me, but I think Taylor has learned from this past year. We'll see. Incidently, I concur with you on Cooter Brown's post. It's pretty clear that Taylor needs to keep on the straight and narrow.How you can ask what facts are being ignored and in the same post concur with what CooterBrown posted is pretty much a head scratcher there skinterp.

I never told you not to be optimistic. Is it too hard to be factual with your optimism?

Why can't you and your cohorts simply say it like this?

"He needs to get his act together and learn from this. If he sees this as beating the rap it could come back to haunt him. If he sees it as a 2nd chance, maybe he turns his life around."

Please, tell me, what the hell is so hard about that?

Let's get something else straight too. I never wish or hope for athletes (or anyone else for that matter) to screw up. I much prefer to hope that people like Sean will remove their head from the dark orifice with the foul odor and contribute to society rather than being a blight on it.

I now return you to your optimism. Why you'd come to a Cowboys forum expecting to be congratulated for your optimism, is really beyond me.

peplaw06

06-01-2006, 03:07 PM

Dude, lawyers are CONSTANTLY trying to get cases thrown out before they happen. Most of the time it doesn't work but its worth a shot. Why do it? Well because its A LOT easier than just going to court. Don't you think?

You obviously have ZERO clue as to what you're talking about. 95% of all cases set for trial settle before going into jury selection.

As for prosecutor misconduct... it rarely happens. For the most part prosecutors are fair. Prosecutors are ethically obligated to seek justice, not to "go after someone" or "make a statement." This is the reason the case settled. It's not like charges were dropped. If the prosecutor listened to all the redskin fans who say Taylor did nothing and had no gun, the charges would have been dropped altogether. And contrary to what you've said, Taylor "could" face jail time. He's on probation, if he violates that, he could easily see jail time. And it will also go on his record. As a misdemeanor yes, but it's still on his record.

Alexander

06-01-2006, 03:16 PM

Prosecutors are ethically obligated to seek justice, not to "go after someone" or "make a statement."

Oh really? How do you know, Mr. Bigshot? Are you a lawyer? This Grieco person had AN AGENDA! AND A PAGE!:cool:

peplaw06

06-01-2006, 03:23 PM

Oh really? How do you know, Mr. Bigshot? Are you a lawyer? This Grieco person had AN AGENDA! AND A PAGE!:cool:

Yes.

As I said, prosecutor misconduct (what Grieco was accused of) rarely happens... when you take into account how many prosecutors there are across the country. And how many prosecutors are DJ's on the side?? :rolleyes:

Hostile

06-01-2006, 03:38 PM

Yes.

As I said, prosecutor misconduct (what Grieco was accused of) rarely happens... when you take into account how many prosecutors there are across the country. And how many prosecutors are DJ's on the side?? :rolleyes:Pep, he was taking the role of Skins fan and being outrageously sarcastic.

peplaw06

06-01-2006, 03:42 PM

Pep, he was taking the role of Skins fan and being outrageously sarcastic.

:bang2: How did I miss that?? I have dealt with Alexander enough... I shoulda known

rojan

06-01-2006, 03:55 PM

Redskins' Taylor to Accept a Plea Deal

Felony Charges Will Be Dismissed

By Amy Shipley (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/amy+shipley/)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 1, 2006; Page E01
MIAMI, May 31 -- A plea deal has been reached in the felony assault case involving Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor that ensures Taylor will not spend a day in jail and the felony charges against him will be dismissed, one of Taylor's attorneys said Wednesday.
Taylor, who faced up to 46 years in prison over charges related to a street fight last June, agreed to the plea terms Wednesday, according to attorney Larry R. Handfield, who joined Taylor's defense team in February.

The agreement, which will require the approval of Judge Leonard Glick, will be presented during a hearing Thursday morning in Miami-Dade County Circuit Court at the Richard E. Gerstein Justice Building.
Handfield said Taylor, the Redskins' No. 1 draft pick in 2004, has agreed to plead no contest to one misdemeanor battery charge and one misdemeanor assault charge. The deal includes a withholding of a conviction, Handfield said, and the dismissal of three charges of felony assault with a deadly weapon that each carried a mandatory minimum three-year sentence.
Taylor also agreed to visit 10 schools in the inner city, providing $1,000 to each school, according to Handfield.
Taylor's trial had been scheduled for July 10, about three weeks before the start of Redskins training camp. The deal, if accepted by the judge, would bring an end to a case that included seven delays and threatened to intersect with the upcoming season.
"Even though I was certain he would be vindicated at trial, this avoids the risk associated with any trial," Handfield said. "With the present charges, he was looking at 45 years in prison if he was found guilty. This way, he can be in training camp and put this behind him, close this chapter in his life."
Ed Griffith, a spokesman at the Miami-Dade State Attorney's office, declined to comment.
Taylor's defense team met with prosecutor Abe Laeser on Tuesday and Wednesday, according to Handfield and Taylor's lead attorney, Richard Sharpstein. Sharpstein, an attorney with the Washington-based Jorden Burt firm, declined to comment for this story on whether a deal had been reached.
Laeser is a respected veteran of the state attorney's office who took over the case about six weeks ago after allegations surfaced that the previous prosecutor, Mike Grieco, was using it to promote his side career as a Miami Beach disc jockey. After Grieco stepped down from the case, Taylor's trial was postponed from early May to mid-July.
The charges against Taylor stem from a fight in Miami that occurred last June 1 after Taylor went searching for two all-terrain vehicles he believed had been stolen from him. Police reports and depositions describing the incident said Taylor brandished a gun and issued threats before initiating a fistfight with the man he believed had stolen his property.
After retreating from the fight that involved at least a dozen people, according to depositions and court records, shots were fired into Taylor's GMC Yukon Denali while it was parked at a friend's house.
Days after the incident, Taylor was charged with one count of felony assault and one count of misdemeanor battery, which carry a combined maximum of 16 years in prison. In January, the prosecution brought two other felony charges, each adding another possible 15 years imprisonment.
Taylor acknowledged that a fight occurred but claimed it was prompted by the prosecution's main alleged victim, Ryan Hill, according to Ed Carhart, one of Taylor's attorneys. Taylor said Hill, against whom Taylor played high school football in Miami, attempted to force his way into Taylor's Denali and then threw Taylor to the ground, Carhart said.
Carhart also said Taylor denied waving a weapon.
Carhart did not return a call seeking comment Wednesday but said last week the case "weighs heavily on [Taylor] and is very frustrating for him. This is not easy to go through. If a jury decides to convict him, the judge has to give him three years at least."
Taylor's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, could not be reached. Taylor was credited last season with 80 tackles, third-most among the Redskins, two interceptions, three forced fumbles and one sack. Taylor attended Gulliver Prep in Miami. His father, Pedro Taylor, is chief of police in Florida City, Fla.

Alexander

06-01-2006, 04:27 PM

:bang2: How did I miss that?? I have dealt with Alexander enough... I shoulda known

When in doubt, assume sarcasm.:cool:

trickblue

06-01-2006, 04:58 PM

OK calling Moss a moron was wrong. Shouldn't have done it.
You ol' softie you... :D

Cajuncowboy

06-01-2006, 05:40 PM

What a weasel.

MIAMI -- Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor reached an agreement with prosecutors to drop felony charges against him and pleaded no contest Thursday to two misdemeanors in an assault case, avoiding any jail time that might have derailed his NFL career.

Sean Taylor
AP Photo/Yesikka Vivancos
While pleading no contest, Sean Taylor, left, still believes he didn't do anything wrong.

The deal calls for Taylor to be placed on 18 months' probation, talk about the importance of education at 10 Miami-Dade County schools and contribute $1,000 for scholarships to each of those schools. He must also pay $429 in court costs.

The 23-year-old Taylor had been scheduled to go to trial on July 10. He had faced a maximum of 46 years in prison if convicted on three aggravated assault charges and one misdemeanor charge stemming from a confrontation last June after his all-terrain vehicles were taken.

"This is a fair and just resolution to this case that was blown out of proportion from the beginning," Taylor attorney Richard Sharpstein said. "It's a great outcome for Sean."

The NFL could still impose a fine or suspend Taylor for one or more games, Sharpstein said, but league officials did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment. The Redskins also declined comment but have publicly supported Taylor in the past.

When Taylor and some friends located the people who had the vehicles, the two sides eventually got into a fight and Taylor hit and shoved at least one person, a prosecutor said in court. Prosecutors had first accused Taylor of pointing a gun during the dispute, but he denied having a weapon. That accusation was dropped in the deal.

Speaking to Miami-Dade County Circuit Judge Leonard Glick, Taylor said the plea was "a hard pill for me to swallow" because "this is not something I think I'm guilty of."

But Taylor added: "I believe it's in my best interest to accept this plea."

Under the plea deal, the aggravated assault charges will be dropped and Taylor pleaded no contest to misdemeanor counts of simple battery and simple assault. If he does not violate probation, those charges would be eliminated from his record.

Taylor, a former University of Miami standout, signed a seven-year, $18 million contract with the Redskins after he was drafted in 2004. He has six interceptions and 120 tackles in two NFL seasons, but has become almost as well-known for his troubles.

Taylor has been fined seven times during his professional career for late hits and other infractions, including a $17,000 penalty for spitting in the face of Tampa Bay running back Michael Pittman during a January playoff game. He was also fined $25,000 for skipping a mandatory rookie symposium.

SkinsandTerps

06-02-2006, 12:22 AM

That is very true all the way around.

It's fine to be happy he's avoiding jail and you're keeping your player. I think proclaiming him innocent, as some of your chorts are trying to do, is a farce. He's not innocent. If he was innocent, there could be no possible repercussions for future missteps.

He is not innocent by any means, although he is not exactly guilty as charged in the eyes of the judicial system. He simply took a PBJ (probation before judgement) for all of the reasons that any reasonable lawyer would try to convince their client to take the deal.

Fines, community service, slate can be wiped clean, and or course no imprisonment.

Is he guilty of something ? Most likely.
Is he a threat to society ? Not likely.
Did he actually wave a gun at these guys ? Who really knows. Credibility issues at every turn.
Did he fight with one of them ? Seems that he did.

If he violates the terms of the PBJ, the case will go to court. If he is a good boy, it will be like the case never existed.

I am hoping for the good boy outcome. For his own sake. Not that I am saying that he hasn't been a dumb-*** at times, just that he is young, dumb, and needs to get his act together. Hopefully this whole scenario will wake him up and he will take his livelihood a little more seriously.

Bob Sacamano

06-02-2006, 02:09 AM

The end result, after the probation period, will be the same as if the
case went to trial and Taylor was found not guilty on all counts.

that doesn't mean he was innocent

skinsterp

06-02-2006, 08:35 AM

that doesn't mean he was innocent

Perhaps not. It doesn't mean he was guilty either. Taylor should have called the police. I think he made a serious error in judgement when he confronted those guys. Given that one is presumed innocent however, the prosecutor's proof wasn't terribly reliable based on the testimony of the guys Taylor confronted. I don't believe that Taylor would have lost a trial, but he chose not to take a chance on a jury's decision and be done with it all. I imagine he'll be fined, maybe even suspended. I just hope he gets his stuff together and learns from this. To me, his on-field spitting incident/s and general direspect of other players is more indicative of his need to grow up. I choose to believe that he'll learn from this past year and concentrate on playing, but I'm in a wait and see mode. He's got to prove to be a responsible person to me. A lot can happen in 18 months though.

BrAinPaiNt

06-02-2006, 08:40 AM

skinsterp

06-02-2006, 09:53 AM

Skinsandterp and skinsterp.

It's bad enough having one skins and terps fan but two.

Down with the skins AND the terps.

(Cowboys and WVU fan here :) )

For the record I am just goofing with you two, although I really do not like either the skins or the terps, but I guess it could be worse you could be ND fans instead of terp fans haha.

I'm glad we're all in a position to root for good teams. It sucks when a program is in a rut and there's no chance for a particular team to win.
I had a friend whose younger brother attended Shepherd College (University now) in the mid 1980's and as he played football, we went to some games.
WV is pretty cool and they love their football! It's really a beautiful state.
Both WVU football and hoops teams are very good these days.
As far as Maryland and the 'Skins, I've been a fan pretty much all of my life (I'm gettin' old as I'm turning 51 this month :( ). Believe me, I've seen up and down years for both programs. Here's to a injury free season and may the best teams win. Oh and BTW, I don't care too much for ND either!