Carpenter??

[scrives]

Will Bobby be at the mini camp?

[Derinyar]

If I remember correctly he can come to one prior to his graduation in mid june. Not sure if hes been to one yet.

[austintodallas]

He was at rookie mini camp last month. Don't think he will be there this weekend though.

[theogt]

He can come to "orientation" type stuff and I believe they considered the rookie mini-camp to be that.

[scrives]

Thats to bad. Can't wait to see how he fits in with th vets.

[burmafrd]

Frankly the NFL should toss that moronic rule about not being there before graduation. Its hypocritical in the extreme if you allow Juniors to be drafted but penalize seniors.

[theogt]

I thought it was an Ohio State rule.

[Alexander]

I thought it was an Ohio State rule.

It's an NFL rule.

[burmafrd]

what could Ohio State do to him. NOTHING. Its a dumb rule.

[AbeBeta]

Frankly the NFL should toss that moronic rule about not being there before graduation. Its hypocritical in the extreme if you allow Juniors to be drafted but penalize seniors.

The Juniors can't come either if school is still in.

Even if the vast majority don't finish school, the league is saying "you can't come until your semester/quarter is done"

It is a good rule.

[theogt]

It's an NFL rule.Oh...I see, it only applied to Ohio State (and some others) because they're on the quarter system and stay later than most schools. Well if that's the case they should just get rid of the quarter system. It's ridiculous.

[burmafrd]

Its a dumb rule. They can make up tests, etc later if necessary. Its more important for them to take every oppurtunity to accomplish their PRIMARY GOAL of making an NFL team.

[burmafrd]

If you are drafted as a Junior and make the team- does that mean that the NEXT YEAR YOU CANNOT ATTEND EITHER?

[AbeBeta]

Oh...I see, it only applied to Ohio State (and some others) because they're on the quarter system and stay later than most schools. Well if that's the case they should just get rid of the quarter system. It's ridiculous.

Yes. 50,000 students and nearly 10,000 faculty and staff members should experience a complete change in schedule, so that a handful of football players can participate in mini-camps.

Excellent. Change the entire academic system the school has used for over 100 years to accomodate a few draft picks.

[AbeBeta]

If you are drafted as a Junior and make the team- does that mean that the NEXT YEAR YOU CANNOT ATTEND EITHER?

no because you weren't enrolled in school as a senior

[theogt]

Yes. 50,000 students and nearly 10,000 faculty and staff members should experience a complete change in schedule, so that a handful of football players can participate in mini-camps.

Excellent. Change the entire academic system the school has used for over 100 years to accomodate a few draft picks.abe, c'mon. My point wasn't that they should change just for football players. My point was that the quarter system sucks. Most students complain about it and it causes problems for many other students regarding summer interships/jobs, not just football players. Of course they shouldn't change it JUST BECAUSE of football players. There are many other reasons. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you don't think I'd make such a claim do ya?

[TheHustler]

Yes. 50,000 students and nearly 10,000 faculty and staff members should experience a complete change in schedule, so that a handful of football players can participate in mini-camps.

Excellent. Change the entire academic system the school has used for over 100 years to accomodate a few draft picks.

No kidding. These kids are already full of themselves. Lets give their egos an even bigger boost by making special exceptions for them in school. That's why the Sean Taylors of the world act like thugs, they think b/c they are talented football players, they can get away with it.

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

[TheHustler]

Its a dumb rule. They can make up tests, etc later if necessary. Its more important for them to take every oppurtunity to accomplish their PRIMARY GOAL of making an NFL team.

You have your priorities mixed up. For 99% of student athletes, the best thing about an athletic scholarship is it gives them a COLLEGE EDUCATION. One they probably wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

Education first. Football second.

[Doomsday101]

We are talking a 3 day mini camp this is not going to hurt the rookies missing this time. When training camp starts and the pads come on and the hitting begins these rookies will be there and ready to go.

[AbeBeta]

abe, c'mon. My point wasn't that they should change just for football players. My point was that the quarter system sucks. Most students complain about it and it causes problems for many other students regarding summer interships/jobs, not just football players. Of course they shouldn't change it JUST BECAUSE of football players. There are many other reasons. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you don't think I'd make such a claim do ya?

Funny. I know about 5000 students who are involved in the semester system -- and most of them say it sucks and want to move to quarters.

[JackMagist]

Will Bobby be at the mini camp?This is always a problem when drafting Ohio State players; their classes last a full month longer than almost any other College. The rookies from that school are handicapped from the get go with the NFL restrictions on waiting until classes are dismissed.

[DragonCowboy]

Yes. 50,000 students and nearly 10,000 faculty and staff members should experience a complete change in schedule, so that a handful of football players can participate in mini-camps.

Excellent. Change the entire academic system the school has used for over 100 years to accomodate a few draft picks.


I agree totally. What if football doesn't work out for them? They need something to fall back on, and a college diploma would help.

The good of the entire student base shouldn't be sacrificed for 5 or so football players.

[theogt]

Funny. I know about 5000 students who are involved in the semester system -- and most of them say it sucks and want to move to quarters.The grass is always greener.

[Future]

Its a dumb rule. They can make up tests, etc later if necessary. Its more important for them to take every oppurtunity to accomplish their PRIMARY GOAL of making an NFL team.

The primary goal in life should be for the athletes to get their education. I like the rule of having to finish before you go to camp, I think it would be too much of a distraction otherwise. Especially for the guys that will have to fight for a spot, say they get cut and don't graduate...then what? Have to go back to a school w/out a scholarship and take classes you already took etc.

[JPM]

We are talking a 3 day mini camp this is not going to hurt the rookies missing this time. When training camp starts and the pads come on and the hitting begins these rookies will be there and ready to go.

Yep :hammer:

[dbair1967]

Frankly the NFL should toss that moronic rule about not being there before graduation. Its hypocritical in the extreme if you allow Juniors to be drafted but penalize seniors.

I think its especially stupid when you consider he's not being allowed to participate in a Friday-Saturday-Sunday 5 practice weekend...not sure what pertinent stuff he'd be missing on a weekend

put it another way....it'd be perfectly ok for him to ditch class on Friday to go home to see family/friends for the weekend, but its not ok for him to go practice football?

Like Burmafrd said, its moronic

David

[Eddie]

Oh...I see, it only applied to Ohio State (and some others) because they're on the quarter system and stay later than most schools. Well if that's the case they should just get rid of the quarter system. It's ridiculous.


haha, that's a good idea. Let's change up the entire school system at Ohio State for 20,000 kids, so 5 can go to minicamp with the NFL each year.

Great idea. :)

[theogt]

haha, that's a good idea. Let's change up the entire school system at Ohio State for 20,000 kids, so 5 can go to minicamp with the NFL each year.

Great idea. :)An even better idea would be to finish reading the thread before you make an asinine comment like that.

[burmafrd]

Friday saturday sunday. Its a pathetic joke. 3 days away from school and almost certainly no classes.

[burmafrd]

Anyone invited to a pro camp should make that their first priority- the school can be made up. Sometimes being cut is a very close decision- who knows that those 3 days might just make enough of a difference. I look at this the same way a lawyer looking to get interviewed for a job- but could not because the law firm expects him to be at school even though he has no classes. SAME EXACT THING. ITS A DUMB RULE.

[Doomsday101]

Anyone invited to a pro camp should make that their first priority- the school can be made up. Sometimes being cut is a very close decision- who knows that those 3 days might just make enough of a difference. I look at this the same way a lawyer looking to get interviewed for a job- but could not because the law firm expects him to be at school even though he has no classes. SAME EXACT THING. ITS A DUMB RULE.

NFL and the NCAA came to this agreement so kids whould not be forced to make that choice. This is a 3 day mini camp nothing more and is not going to make or break any of the rookies.

[burmafrd]

WRONG- any player at the bottom of the roster needs every edge he can get.

[Doomsday101]

WRONG- any player at the bottom of the roster needs every edge he can get.

3 day mini camp with no pads and no hitting these guys are not missing out on much. The rookie just had a rookie mini camp of their own and by the end of next month everyone will enter training camp. You act like this is something new and yet they have been operating this way for a long time.

[burmafrd]

I never said it was new- I just thing the rule is STUPID. AND hypocritical- especially coming from a school well known for cutting players slack. NFL rule plain dumb.

[Doomsday101]

I never said it was new- I just thing the rule is STUPID. AND hypocritical- especially coming from a school well known for cutting players slack. NFL rule plain dumb.

In your opinion. I see nothing wrong with it and 3 days is not making or breaking anyone.

[Alexander]

In your opinion. I see nothing wrong with it and 3 days is not making or breaking anyone.

I agree.

If Carpenter gets severely behind after missing just a three day mini-mini, then he has big problems.

This is certainly nothing to get worked up about, I see nothing wrong with the rule.

[RiggoForever]

3 day mini camp with no pads and no hitting these guys are not missing out on much. The rookie just had a rookie mini camp of their own and by the end of next month everyone will enter training camp. You act like this is something new and yet they have been operating this way for a long time.

I thought minicamp was an abbreviated version of training camp. If no pads are allowed for minicamp, how would minicamp be any different from OTAs (which I am 100% sure pads and hitting are not allowed)?

Edit: Seems like you're right about the no pads. Now I'm definately wondering how minicamp is different then OTAs. Perhaps the duration of time spent training each day is different?

[Doomsday101]

I thought minicamp was an abbreviated version of training camp. If no pads are allowed for minicamp, how would minicamp be any different from OTAs (which I am 100% sure pads and hitting are not allowed)?

Not much of a differance really. These guys are not wearing pads, they have helmets and shorts and no hitting taking place. No team starts full pad workout and hitting until training camp.

[RiggoForever]

Not much of a differance really. These guys are not wearing pads, they have helmets and shorts and no hitting taking place. No team starts full pad workout and hitting until training camp.

I believe also that minicamp is mandatory in that a player can't just skip without being fined or punished by the team.

If a player wants to skip out on OTAs, the team can't do anything to stop it.

[Doomsday101]

I believe also that minicamp is mandatory in that a player can't just skip without being fined or punished by the team.

If a player wants to skip out on OTAs, the team can't do anything to stop it.

You may be right that one is mandatory the other voluntary however most players understand there is no difference between mandatory and voluntary. The ones who don’t understand that don’t last long.

[RiggoForever]

You may be right that one is mandatory the other voluntary however most players understand there is no difference between mandatory and voluntary. The ones who don’t understand that don’t last long.

Tell that to Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey :) I know what you mean though, particularly for players on the bubble or trying to keep from being beaten out or cut.

[Doomsday101]

Tell that to Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey :)

No doubt talent helps but even those guy start risking it when the talent starts to fall off.

[RiggoForever]

No doubt talent helps but even those guy start risking it when the talent starts to fall off.

I agree, team chemistry is vital, more vital then talent in some aspects IMO. When players start acting like they are above what the rest of the team its not a good thing.

[aikemirv]

I think its especially stupid when you consider he's not being allowed to participate in a Friday-Saturday-Sunday 5 practice weekend...not sure what pertinent stuff he'd be missing on a weekend

put it another way....it'd be perfectly ok for him to ditch class on Friday to go home to see family/friends for the weekend, but its not ok for him to go practice football?

Like Burmafrd said, its moronic

David

Not only that, but how many weekends and classes does he miss during football season. What is the difference, since it is not school related he can't miss the time?

[dbair1967]

In your opinion. I see nothing wrong with it and 3 days is not making or breaking anyone.

and thats your opinion...when you see coaches comment on this stuff, rookie missing mini camps is never considered good

just because there isnt pads and hitting doesnt mean it isnt important

again its 3 days, and its Friday-Saturday-Sunday...I dont know what he'd be missing in school for those days that would be considered critical

its a stupid rule, there's no way to argue ortherwise in all honesty...a kid being is choosing to play football professionally and its going to be his job..so what if he misses one Frioday of school late in his last school yr?

David

[Doomsday101]

and thats your opinion...when you see coaches comment on this stuff, rookie missing mini camps is never considered good

just because there isnt pads and hitting doesnt mean it isnt important

again its 3 days, and its Friday-Saturday-Sunday...I dont know what he'd be missing in school for those days that would be considered critical

its a stupid rule, there's no way to argue ortherwise in all honesty...a kid being is choosing to play football professionally and its going to be his job..so what if he misses one Frioday of school late in his last school yr?

David

True I only gave my opinion. Regardless of who like it and who doesn't the NFL and NCAA made this rule so kids would not have to choose between finishing College (which is important at least to some) and attending a 3 day mini camp. Sorry I think the degree means a bit more than 3 days in shorts but then that is just me.

[AbeBeta]

Friday saturday sunday. Its a pathetic joke. 3 days away from school and almost certainly no classes.

So you are discounting the fact that college students also need time to read and prepare for classes? to study for exams? to write papers? All right before the end of the quarter -- yeah, most students do well after missing 3-4 days during crunch time.

Here's a better idea. Schedule the freaking minicamps after final exams. OSU (and most quarter system schools) have finals that end next Thursday (6/8).

You schedule the minicamp next weekend instead of this on and there is no problem.

[Angus]

Maybe it's not the rule that is stupid but football players that sign with a school that won't let them participate in NFL minicamps until school is out. The rule has been there for a long time. Any kid that wants to avoid it can do it if he thinks about it before he matriculates.

[AbeBeta]

Maybe it's not the rule that is stupid but football players that sign with a school that won't let them participate in NFL minicamps until school is out. The rule has been there for a long time. Any kid that wants to avoid it can do it if he thinks about it before he matriculates.

Well, since 1000's of high school football players get college scholarships but never make it to the NFL -- I'd think that considering this when choosing a school would be a very poor way to decide where to go.

Many student-athletes choose Ohio State because it not only has an excellent football program but is an excellent academic institution -- one of the better combinations of education and athletics in the nation.

By your logic you would say -- screw OSU -- their schedule is going to make me miss a single 3-day minicamp. I'll get a worse education instead.

[burmafrd]

Its a joke to think that those three days means that the kid will not get his degree. THAT is pathetic. Its a stupid rule that makes no sense. Lets face it- the schools bend over backwards for those kids anyway so why not figure a way for them to get their schoolwork done by thursday instead of Friday.

[Alexander]

Its a joke to think that those three days means that the kid will not get his degree. THAT is pathetic. Its a stupid rule that makes no sense. Lets face it- the schools bend over backwards for those kids anyway so why not figure a way for them to get their schoolwork done by thursday instead of Friday.

It is a good faith gesture the NFL has made along with the NCAA to show a commitment to seeing that these athletes aren't lured away from school and lose out on their chance for a degree.

Stupid or not, that's the general principle.

[Angus]

I agree with you, Abersonc. What that means is the rule is not really important. Kids need a good education a great deal more than they need to protect their opportunity to participate in a mini camp.

[burmafrd]

Once again I challenge anyone to show why those 3 days - TWO OF THEM on the weekend- will make that much difference after FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE? Those three days MIGHT make the difference of making a team and having a career in pro football.

[Doomsday101]

It is a good faith gesture the NFL has made along with the NCAA to show a commitment to seeing that these athletes aren't lured away from school and lose out on their chance for a degree.

Stupid or not, that's the general principle.

Exactly and the truth is most of these guys are not going to make it in the NFL and will have to rely on their degrees to make a living so why make these kids have to choose? The NFL has no problem with this, the NCAA has no problem with this and honestly I have no problem with this. 3 days is not going to make or break any player trying to make it in the NFL

[Doomsday101]

Once again I challenge anyone to show why those 3 days - TWO OF THEM on the weekend- will make that much difference after FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE? Those three days MIGHT make the difference of making a team and having a career in pro football.

Those 3 days are not going to make or break anyone. We will be going through 2 a days in July and everyone will be there. The rookies have already went through their mini camps

[AbeBeta]

Its a joke to think that those three days means that the kid will not get his degree. THAT is pathetic. Its a stupid rule that makes no sense. Lets face it- the schools bend over backwards for those kids anyway so why not figure a way for them to get their schoolwork done by thursday instead of Friday.

Or teams could simply schedule minicamp a week later.

[AbeBeta]

Once again I challenge anyone to show why those 3 days - TWO OF THEM on the weekend- will make that much difference after FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE? Those three days MIGHT make the difference of making a team and having a career in pro football.

ummm, because it is right before finals. OSU (and most quarter system schools) have finals next week. Ya think that missing out on 3 full days of studying -- then being pretty much exhausted when you get back MIGHT screw you up a bit?

Also keep in mind that Carpenter could have taken summer courses to finish his degree prior to this quarter (likely only 3 classes) -- then he'd be able to participate all he wanted in minicamp.

It is a real shame you don't value education there Burm

[TheEnigma]

Once again I challenge anyone to show why those 3 days - TWO OF THEM on the weekend- will make that much difference after FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE? Those three days MIGHT make the difference of making a team and having a career in pro football.

You are of course assuming that no student does schoolwork on a weekend. While this may be more of the case earlier in the year, almost every student is studying that weekend before finals, be it those who slacked off the entire year or those who kept up with their studies.

I personally agree with the idea of changing the date of the minicamp as the best solution to the problem.

[dbair1967]

ummm, because it is right before finals. OSU (and most quarter system schools) have finals next week. Ya think that missing out on 3 full days of studying -- then being pretty much exhausted when you get back MIGHT screw you up a bit?

Also keep in mind that Carpenter could have taken summer courses to finish his degree prior to this quarter (likely only 3 classes) -- then he'd be able to participate all he wanted in minicamp.

It is a real shame you don't value education there Burm

I value education but I also 100% agree with Burm...its a stupid rule

and its not like he is practicing 24 hrs a day straight for 3 days...the guy would have time to study while in town...I'm also quite sure that most players this applies to (ie, the talented ones who are clearly going to playing on Sundays) are taking rocket science type classes right now anyway...even if he stays on campus, he VERY likely wouldnt be studying the whole time anyway

David