What makes you think owens will change?

[nchhalada333]

Terell Owens is the biggest disease in the United States
Why do u guys think he is suddenly goin to change for the cowboys?
He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker, he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury, and now both of those teams cannot seem to find any big players.
Y would he not do this to the boys?

[iceberg]

Terell Owens is the biggest disease in the United States
Why do u guys think he is suddenly goin to change for the cowboys?
He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker, he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury, and now both of those teams cannot seem to find any big players.
Y would he not do this to the boys?

and what makes you think another TO whine-thread will change TO?
make him NOT a cowboy?
change the minds of those who've already chosen to accept him for their own reasons?

all we can do now is wait and see what happens and hope for the best.

well that and start a plethroa of threads to either ask why you do or don't want him around - neither of which matter anymore.

[stilltheguru]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[austintodallas]

Enough already. TO is a Cowboy whether you like it or not. Deal with it.

[Phoenix-Talon]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Owens will change? ...make dayam sure that's in the contract; for 3-4 years!:rolleyes:

[superpunk]

I think T.O. is every bit as scared of global warming as I am.

THAT is why he will change.

Polar icecaps baby.

[GTaylor]

Terell Owens is the biggest disease in the United States
Why do u guys think he is suddenly goin to change for the cowboys?
He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker, he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury, and now both of those teams cannot seem to find any big players.
Y would he not do this to the boys?
Good question, besides the influence of Parcells I'm not too optimistic as well, especially since Owens will have more camera time than ever before. If he hasn't learned his lesson yet I doubt he will now.

People can choose to ignore his warts and think of only the player, which is fine, but before long he will do something that'll remind you of why he's gotten his reputation. I hope he works out, but I'm realistic....

[Doomsday101]

What will make TO change is TO, he controls what he does and what he says no one else can do that for him. He has a chance to start a new what he does with it is his choice.

[Yeagermeister]

I don't think TO will change. The real TO will resurface.....book it!!!!!!! :D

[Doomsday101]

I don't think TO will change. The real TO will resurface.....book it!!!!!!! :D

I fear your right but I hope we are wrong.

[Hostile]

Terell Owens is the biggest disease in the United States
Why do u guys think he is suddenly goin to change for the cowboys?
He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker, he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury, and now both of those teams cannot seem to find any big players.
Y would he not do this to the boys?Okay, I'll play.

1. He finally got the contract he's wanted. Neither of the previous teams he played for did that.

2. He's finally got a Head Coach who takes no crap. I've met Andy Reid and he's a very nice guy, but he isn't the scary persona Parcells is. Mooch is known as a pushover. They didn't shout him down, Parcells is going to.

3. He got taught a lesson in 2005 and he isn't stupid. He knows this is probably his last chance.

4. In the Press Conference he gave Jerry Jones his word that he won't let this team, Jerry, or the fans down.

5. He said he was going to "embrace the star." One thing he's doing that he's never done before is hosting a football camp for youth. This forum has 3 kids going to that football camp. Money was donated by members here. He's reaching out and giving back.

6. I've been in contact on the phone with his publicist over the camp mentioned above. She said to me on the phone that he has "never been happier" and loves his situation here.

7. His mentor is Michael Irvin and Irvin has been in his ear about the destructive behavior.

That will work for starters. BTW, I defend him in this way and acknowledge openly that I am not his biggest fan. I admire his play on the field and always have. His attitude has always rubbed me the wrong way. I see evidence of a guy who is changing and keeping promises.

Oh and :welcome: Don't forget our conversation via e-mail.

[Doomsday101]

Okay, I'll play.

1. He finally got the contract he's wanted. Neither of the previous teams he played for did that.

2. He's finally got a Head Coach who takes no crap. I've met Andy Reid and he's a very nice guy, but he isn't the scary persona Parcells is. Mooch is known as a pushover. They didn't shout him down, Parcells is going to.

3. He got taught a lesson in 2005 and he isn't stupid. He knows this is probably his last chance.

4. In the Press Conference he gave Jerry Jones his word that he won't let this team, Jerry, or the fans down.

5. He said he was going to "embrace the star." One thing he's doing that he's never done before is hosting a football camp for youth. This forum has 3 kids going to that football camp. Money was donated by members here. He's reaching out and giving back.

6. I've been in contact on the phone with his publicist over the camp mentioned above. She said to me on the phone that he has "never been happier" and loves his situation here.

7. His mentor is Michael Irvin and Irvin has been in his ear about the destructive behavior.

That will work for starters. BTW, I defend him in this way and acknowledge openly that I am not his biggest fan. I admire his play on the field and always have. His attitude has always rubbed me the wrong way. I see evidence of a guy who is changing and keeping promises.

Oh and :welcome: Don't forget our conversation via e-mail.

Well he said all the right things at the Philly Press conferance when he 1st signed there and those words proved false.

[BrAinPaiNt]

My insider sources say they put him on a new hormone pill, stronger dosage of estrogen.

:p:

[Joshmvii]

Because I said so.

[BlueStar22]

I'll play too...T.O. won't be replicate his past behavior because he has too much to lose. This IS his last team and last contract.

[stasheroo]

I can sum up why I think it will work in two words:

Strike Three

This is Owens' last chance to be a successful, highly-compensated football player. He's had two prior stops and this is his last shot. If Dallas releases him, he might get another job, but he'll never see a big payday again. His reputation has already taken some serious hits and anything more would ruin it for good.

He's had reasons for his unhappiness with his prior teams and anyone who feels the teams didn't contribute to the problems is kidding themselves.

The Cowboys have at least taken steps to ensure that history doesn't repeat itself.

[Ashwynn]

According to many here and other boards, el dorado got paid what he THINKS hes worth. Is now happy and content. Will become a model citizen. Philly and SF took advantage of the underpriviledged and misunderstood young man. See hes not a bad apple, he just hates not getting what he thinks hes worth. Despite the fact his agent screwed up, he signed a contract his agent told him not too sign, he whined and cried his way out of Baltimore screwing the 49ers in the process.

2 things wrong with this.

1) Placating a bad guy. Bad business. Next we will negoiate with OBL to stop killing pple worldwide by giving him control of America! You dont negoiate with bad pple, you tell em whats up and they are gunna like it, or they can go work at McDonalds. PERIOD. Lets see el dorados crap work with a mcdonalds owner.

2) We have a weak Oline that could be catastrophic if they cant make that next step. When that happens, will el dorado continue to be happy? If you cant guarentee the man you just placated will remain happy the entire 3 years, you have no business signing him. PERIOD.

I dont know. I hate the man, I hate the fact hes a boy. But I will watch this pre-season and TC and all that and we will see. We will ALL see. If we dont have an Oline unit, watch many el dorado lovers turn on his sorry butt the minute he calls Bledsoe a gay guy or tells Parcells not to talk to him unless hes spoken to first. I was amazed at how many pple that thought el dorado was a scuzzbag while a 49er and eagirl are now changing there avatars to 'TO is GOD' and 'Superbowl bound now'. But these same pple will be jumping in front of us to call him an butt hole and bastage and total peice of trash after he works his evil here in Dallas.

Let us not forget to thank Mr. Jones for signing the devil to wear your star. His splash factor has kicked him in the buttocks more time then I can remember. If only he would get a darn brain instead of new faces all the time.

[Colo]

Okay, I'll play.

1. He finally got the contract he's wanted. Neither of the previous teams he played for did that.

2. He's finally got a Head Coach who takes no crap. I've met Andy Reid and he's a very nice guy, but he isn't the scary persona Parcells is. Mooch is known as a pushover. They didn't shout him down, Parcells is going to.

3. He got taught a lesson in 2005 and he isn't stupid. He knows this is probably his last chance.

4. In the Press Conference he gave Jerry Jones his word that he won't let this team, Jerry, or the fans down.

5. He said he was going to "embrace the star." One thing he's doing that he's never done before is hosting a football camp for youth. This forum has 3 kids going to that football camp. Money was donated by members here. He's reaching out and giving back.

6. I've been in contact on the phone with his publicist over the camp mentioned above. She said to me on the phone that he has "never been happier" and loves his situation here.

7. His mentor is Michael Irvin and Irvin has been in his ear about the destructive behavior.

That will work for starters. BTW, I defend him in this way and acknowledge openly that I am not his biggest fan. I admire his play on the field and always have. His attitude has always rubbed me the wrong way. I see evidence of a guy who is changing and keeping promises.

Oh and :welcome: Don't forget our conversation via e-mail.

:hammer:

[Colo]

According to many here and other boards, el dorado got paid what he THINKS hes worth. Is now happy and content. Will become a model citizen. Philly and SF took advantage of the underpriviledged and misunderstood young man. See hes not a bad apple, he just hates not getting what he thinks hes worth. Despite the fact his agent screwed up, he signed a contract his agent told him not too sign, he whined and cried his way out of Baltimore screwing the 49ers in the process.

2 things wrong with this.

1) Placating a bad guy. Bad business. Next we will negoiate with OBL to stop killing pple worldwide by giving him control of America! You dont negoiate with bad pple, you tell em whats up and they are gunna like it, or they can go work at McDonalds. PERIOD. Lets see el dorados crap work with a mcdonalds owner.

2) We have a weak Oline that could be catastrophic if they cant make that next step. When that happens, will el dorado continue to be happy? If you cant guarentee the man you just placated will remain happy the entire 3 years, you have no business signing him. PERIOD.

I dont know. I hate the man, I hate the fact hes a boy. But I will watch this pre-season and TC and all that and we will see. We will ALL see. If we dont have an Oline unit, watch many el dorado lovers turn on his sorry butt the minute he calls Bledsoe a gay guy or tells Parcells not to talk to him unless hes spoken to first. I was amazed at how many pple that thought el dorado was a scuzzbag while a 49er and eagirl are now changing there avatars to 'TO is GOD' and 'Superbowl bound now'. But these same pple will be jumping in front of us to call him an butt hole and bastage and total peice of trash after he works his evil here in Dallas.

Let us not forget to thank Mr. Jones for signing the devil to wear your star. His splash factor has kicked him in the buttocks more time then I can remember. If only he would get a darn brain instead of new faces all the time.

Didn't we essentially sign him to 3 one year deals. Jerry and company were smart about this and are under no obligation to keep TO around if things go south.

Parcells would not let TO get away with saying something like that to him. I don't think Parcells would let his assistant coaches let TO get away with something like that either.

[superpunk]

1) Placating a bad guy. Bad business. Next we will negoiate with OBL to stop killing pple worldwide by giving him control of America!
Negotiating with TO brings down democracy.

Maybe if you could have brought this to Dubya's attention a few months ago, we could have dropped a few bunker buster's on T.O.'s Atlanta house, and just forgotten about the Middle East.

Who needs a land war in Asia, anyway?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

But I will watch this pre-season and TC and all that and we will see. We will ALL see.

We ALL will? So I guess you're not a man of your word (http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=763138&postcount=38)?

And believe me, I will be back and I will piss off the TO lovers so bad, I will probably get a ban. But you know what, you pple want this freak to destroy the boys......

Course, hopefully this will be bluster when we dont sign TO. But if we do. I will come back here and say my farewells till TOs gone..... if TO is a Cowboy, I will drop them like a hot rock. Till TOs gone.

Looks like you and TO have ALOT in common, when it comes to keeping your word.

See ya.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[iceberg]

We ALL will? So I guess you're not a man of your word (http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=763138&postcount=38)?

Looks like you and TO have ALOT in common, when it comes to keeping your word.

ashwyn - you got your butt handed to you on that one. while somethings can be open to interpretation by us all, this one is pretty clear.

and you didn't do what you said you'd either.

i'd go off in the back with a butter knife and scrape off the burn marks, ash.

[superpunk]

ashwyn - you got your butt handed to you on that one. while somethings can be open to interpretation by us all, this one is pretty clear.

and you didn't do what you said you'd either.

i'd go off in the back with a butter knife and scrape off the burn marks, ash.

I didn't want to dig up old stuff, but the Osama Bin Laden comment got me a little worked up.

Needless to say, my original post is floating off into the land of dead posts.:D

[sbuscha]

Man, go away. Did you join the forum just to post that???

[iceberg]

I didn't want to dig up old stuff, but the Osama Bin Laden comment got me a little worked up.

Needless to say, my original post is floating off into the land of dead posts.:D

i think we all keep things "on file" to use later. the only one i really have is from the other day when summer went a "tad" too far with "you must state when it's your opinion". we all can and will say "questionable" things in the "heat of battle" (even if the battle is to be simply understood) but that was pretty...uh...stupid.

[Cowchips]

Terell Owens is the biggest disease in the United States
Why do u guys think he is suddenly goin to change for the cowboys?
He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker, he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury, and now both of those teams cannot seem to find any big players.
Y would he not do this to the boys?

Quality coaching, perhaps? Off the top of my head are the following players that Parcells tamed, I'm sure there are others.

Brian Cox
Terry Glenn
Lawrence Taylor
Keyshawn Johnson

These are all players that were as bad or worse than TO. They all performed at a high level because of Bill Parcells. Unlike Ried and McBaby, Parcells and Bledsoe are a no-nonsense, no bs guys. Like those before him, TO's performances will be confined to the field of play.

Bank on it!!

[Kittymama]

I'll be honest, I don't think he will change. I don't think the Cowboys do either. What we all think is that he'll follow his usual script--he'll behave for this year. That's why his contract was written the way it was.

Realistically, he'll play great this year. Then, next year at 12:01 am of FA, when Danny Boy Snyder signs another midget receiver to another ridiculous contract for $1 more than TO, he'll get unhappy & start whining. But when he does, the Boys can cut him loose with no real financial penalty. Meanwhile, Crayton has had another year to develop & to watch TO in action (which is a good thing, since TO does know how to run excellent routes). The 2 TEs have developed as well. So Jerruh can let TO go with some blandishment like "we wish him well to pursue his career with another team." Plus, I think Bledsoe is a bit tougher mentally than McNabb & Garcia, so if TO calls him names, who cares? Either that or Henson/Romo start playing, which leaves noone for TO to insult. If he wants to insult Parcells or Jerruh, I doubt either would give a flip.

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think he'll change when all is said and done, but the reasons he has to change are:

- Dallas is in the position where they can cut him at any time and it's a minimal cap hit. The last thing you want to do is give a disgruntled player a position where he can kill your team's cap if you try to cut him.

- He's making the money he wants and if he plays well and behaves, he'll make more money than he was asking for.

- I've heard horror stories of how the Eagles handled the situation. Owens was in the wrong, but the Eagles really handled this like slimeballs as well. Generally, Jerry Jones has always gotten compliments from agents and players for the way he deals with them and I do believe Parcells is better equipped to handle this than Reid or Mariucci.

- I'm reminded of another great player who was considered to be just as big of a cancer and that he would destroy your team and would never win a championship. That player's name? Brett Hull (watching Beyond the Glory last night, I forgot just how similar Hull was to Owens in personality)


Rich...............

[Yakuza Rich]

Plus, I think Bledsoe is a bit tougher mentally than McNabb & Garcia, so if TO calls him names, who cares?

Well, it will be tough to call Bledsoe "gay" since he's married with 4 kids and all.


Rich...........

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nothing.

[GTaylor]

Well, it will be tough to call Bledsoe "gay" since he's married with 4 kids and all.


Rich...........

And Jeff Garcia had 2 women, one being a former Playmate fight over him.

[Cowchips]

Well, it will be tough to call Bledsoe "gay" since he's married with 4 kids and all.


Rich...........

And it's pretty hard to argue that McBaby isn't a momma's boy :) They even make commercials about it !!

[Alexander]

- I've heard horror stories of how the Eagles handled the situation. Owens was in the wrong, but the Eagles really handled this like slimeballs as well. Generally, Jerry Jones has always gotten compliments from agents and players for the way he deals with them and I do believe Parcells is better equipped to handle this than Reid or Mariucci.

I think this major point has been floated out there for months now and the general consensus is to ignore it, even if it is very valid and has been verified by many sources.

[Bob Sacamano]

he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury

he got his contract w/ the boys, and fulfilling it and getting all his money from it is predicated on him behaving, that's why I think TO will change, and the fact that Parcells and Bledsoe command more respect than Reid and McNabb

[TX Cowboy]

Simple he has no choice but to change, their is nothing left for Owens but
Dallas and what could be his final pay check, this is make or break and even
T.O. knows he's under the gun

every eye of scrutiny is watching..idiots are praying for it fail..the way T.O.
gets his revenge, is helping Dallas win title 6, then all the morons can do is
eat crow and cry

[ABQCOWBOY]

Simple he has no choice but to change, their is nothing left for Owens but
Dallas and what could be his final pay check, this is make or break and even
T.O. knows he's under the gun

every eye of scrutiny is watching..idiots are praying for it fail..the way T.O.
gets his revenge, is helping Dallas win title 6, then all the morons can do is
eat crow and cry

It amazes me how people can ridicule other people for looking at TOs past history and concluding that he will be trouble. This poster goes so far as to call them idiots. I just don't understand it. If TO were playing for any other team on the face of the earth, pretty much all would be in agreement with that approach and any team who signed him would be free game. Now, people who take a wait and see approach are idiots. It's astounding.

[JackMagist]

I thought this issue had been disposed of or at least put on hold long ago. About half of those here think "Parcells can control him" while the rest of us think that a Leopard doesn't change his spots. These opinions are pretty firmly entrenched on both sides and are not likely to change until Owens proves one side or the other wrong. There is no longer any point in rehashing these issues until there are some farther developments. He is signed and we have him for better or worse.

[Hostile]

I thought this issue had been disposed of or at least put on hold long ago. About half of those here think "Parcells can control him" while the rest of us think that a Leopard doesn't change his spots. These opinions are pretty firmly entrenched on both sides and are not likely to change until Owens proves one side or the other wrong. There is no longer any point in rehashing these issues until there are some farther developments. He is signed and we have him for better or worse.Brand new poster, and a 14 year old Skins fan at that. He's gauging things it seems.

[Alexander]

It amazes me how people can ridicule other people for looking at TOs past history and concluding that he will be trouble. This poster goes so far as to call them idiots. I just don't understand it. If TO were playing for any other team on the face of the earth, pretty much all would be in agreement with that approach and any team who signed him would be free game. Now, people who take a wait and see approach are idiots. It's astounding.

I don't think he meant "idiots" for not agreeing with the signing. Looks like he meant "idiots" praying for him to fail. That is idiotic as it is wishing for a player's failure that ultimately isn't in our best interest and will cost the team wins.

[BigDFan5]

i'd go off in the back with a butter knife and scrape off the burn marks, ash.


:lmao2:

[BigDFan5]

Negotiating with TO brings down democracy.

Maybe if you could have brought this to Dubya's attention a few months ago, we could have dropped a few bunker buster's on T.O.'s Atlanta house, and just forgotten about the Middle East.

Who needs a land war in Asia, anyway?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



We ALL will? So I guess you're not a man of your word (http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=763138&postcount=38)?



Looks like you and TO have ALOT in common, when it comes to keeping your word.

See ya.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


I hope you aren't expecting a reply

[superpunk]

I hope you aren't expecting a reply

Why not? Surely someone of such high character and extraordinary moral fabric wouldn't let this issue go unaddressed?




No. I'm not.

[JPM]

Okay, I'll play.

1. He finally got the contract he's wanted. Neither of the previous teams he played for did that.

2. He's finally got a Head Coach who takes no crap. I've met Andy Reid and he's a very nice guy, but he isn't the scary persona Parcells is. Mooch is known as a pushover. They didn't shout him down, Parcells is going to.

3. He got taught a lesson in 2005 and he isn't stupid. He knows this is probably his last chance.

4. In the Press Conference he gave Jerry Jones his word that he won't let this team, Jerry, or the fans down.

5. He said he was going to "embrace the star." One thing he's doing that he's never done before is hosting a football camp for youth. This forum has 3 kids going to that football camp. Money was donated by members here. He's reaching out and giving back.

6. I've been in contact on the phone with his publicist over the camp mentioned above. She said to me on the phone that he has "never been happier" and loves his situation here.

7. His mentor is Michael Irvin and Irvin has been in his ear about the destructive behavior.

That will work for starters. BTW, I defend him in this way and acknowledge openly that I am not his biggest fan. I admire his play on the field and always have. His attitude has always rubbed me the wrong way. I see evidence of a guy who is changing and keeping promises.

Oh and :welcome: Don't forget our conversation via e-mail.

Great, great post Hos. I feel the same way. Are you reading my mind ? If so I need to put my aluminum foil hat back on !

[nchhalada333]

Okay, I'll play.

1. He finally got the contract he's wanted. Neither of the previous teams he played for did that.

2. He's finally got a Head Coach who takes no crap. I've met Andy Reid and he's a very nice guy, but he isn't the scary persona Parcells is. Mooch is known as a pushover. They didn't shout him down, Parcells is going to.

3. He got taught a lesson in 2005 and he isn't stupid. He knows this is probably his last chance.

4. In the Press Conference he gave Jerry Jones his word that he won't let this team, Jerry, or the fans down.

5. He said he was going to "embrace the star." One thing he's doing that he's never done before is hosting a football camp for youth. This forum has 3 kids going to that football camp. Money was donated by members here. He's reaching out and giving back.

6. I've been in contact on the phone with his publicist over the camp mentioned above. She said to me on the phone that he has "never been happier" and loves his situation here.

7. His mentor is Michael Irvin and Irvin has been in his ear about the destructive behavior.

That will work for starters. BTW, I defend him in this way and acknowledge openly that I am not his biggest fan. I admire his play on the field and always have. His attitude has always rubbed me the wrong way. I see evidence of a guy who is changing and keeping promises.

Oh and :welcome: Don't forget our conversation via e-mail.

all good reasons....

but didnt he have jerry rice by his side in SF.....he spent his first few years with jerry...dont you think he would have learned something about how to earn respect?

btw, i am a skins fan however i admired TO for his determination and performance in the SB however, that guy needs to chill off the field

[Alexander]

but didnt he have jerry rice by his side in SF.....he spent his first few years with jerry...dont you think he would have learned something about how to earn respect?

He got the work ethic and emphasis on conditioning from Rice, that is certain.

[JackMagist]

Brand new poster, and a 14 year old Skins fan at that. He's gauging things it seems.Ahhh...my bad...should have noticed the post count. Had he stopped by three months ago he would have had all the answers he could stand.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Terell Owens is the biggest disease in the United tates
Why do u guys think he is suddenly goin to change for the cowboys?
He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker, he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury, and now both of those teams cannot seem to find any big players.
Y would he not do this to the boys?

Hello young fan. First, I'd like to commend you for the insight, At such an early age, to make such a brash statement.

Your question is full of assumptions that the posters automatically assume that Mr. Terrell Eldorado Owens will change. Well ...he actually already has changed. And he will probably keep on changing, But not necessarily for the good. Everyone assumes that he will walk a tight rope, that he's walking On thin ice. Perhaps he is! But TO changes with the wind. He may be Mr. wonderful right now, and he may prove otherwise later. But there's one thing he is going to be ...and that's a threat to any defensive team.

For everything he's ever been accused of doing while at the Eagles, up until the time that Roy Williams horse-collared him, he was scoring touchdowns.
I guess I'm saying ...sometimes it's a trade-off.

Be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water.:rolleyes:

[baj1dallas]

all good reasons....

but didnt he have jerry rice by his side in SF.....he spent his first few years with jerry...dont you think he would have learned something about how to earn respect?

btw, i am a skins fan however i admired TO for his determination and performance in the SB however, that guy needs to chill off the field


he had one good year in philthy. that's all the cowboys need out of him.

[TX Cowboy]

It amazes me how people can ridicule other people for looking at TOs past history and concluding that he will be trouble. This poster goes so far as to call them idiots. I just don't understand it. If TO were playing for any other team on the face of the earth, pretty much all would be in agreement with that approach and any team who signed him would be free game. Now, people who take a wait and see approach are idiots. It's astounding.

It amazes me how people can walk around, like they never did one ounce
of wrong in their life, when their closet is full of skeletons just waiting to
be let out, the bible calls them secret sins, and the all mighty knows all
of ours sins..both confessed and unconfessed

so he who is with out sin cast the first stone?

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think he meant "idiots" for not agreeing with the signing. Looks like he meant "idiots" praying for him to fail. That is idiotic as it is wishing for a player's failure that ultimately isn't in our best interest and will cost the team wins.

Perhaps. I don't see a lot of posters hoping for him to fail myself. I see a lot of posters saying that it doesn't matter what he did, he's a good player for us and he's going to help us win. I see a lot of posters saying I hope he can prove to be a positive influence and produce and if he does that, then perhaps he can be accepted. I see a lot of posters saying I want him to catch 100 balls, score 20 TDs, go for a 1000 and help win some games but I'll never be a fan. I don't see many hoping he completely impodes and brings down the team while he's at it. Is that a fear? Absolutly it is for many. However, that's a lot different then hoping it happens.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It amazes me how people can walk around, like they never did one ounce
of wrong in their life, when their closet is full of skeletons just waiting to
be let out, the bible calls them secret sins, and the all mighty knows all
of ours sins..both confessed and unconfessed

so he who is with out sin cast the first stone?

To late, you've already pitched the first rock by calling whomever idiot. Best you try and make sure you don't get your own tail feathers singed. That's kinda what my original post was all about.

[Alexander]

To late, you've already pitched the first rock by calling whomever idiot.

Again, I am sure the poster can speak for himself, but his use of the word "idiots" was followed by the specifics of wishing failure. Those people are idiots. Just going off what he said.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Again, I am sure the poster can speak for himself, but his use of the word "idiots" was followed by the specifics of wishing failure. Those people are idiots. Just going off what he said.

I agree, they would be idiots. I guess I just don't see them posting on this board. Perhaps I'm nieve. The fact that the poster indicates that now you have idiots doing this is inaccurate IMO. It is a means to and end. It is a shot and anybody who is not willing to just go with the signing without reservation. I could be wrong and if I am, then I would appoligize but I don't believe I'm wrong. Who are these posters who are hoping that TO fails misserably and the team along with him. After all, that is what would happen if TO turned out to be a bust. I guess I just don't see it.

[royhitshard]

Terell Owens is the biggest disease in the United StatesWhy do u guys think he is suddenly goin to change for the cowboys?
He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker, he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury, and now both of those teams cannot seem to find any big players.
Y would he not do this to the boys?
I beg to differ. He is not the biggest disease in the US. He is simply a person with a huge ego. Lets not compare him to serious things like cancer, or heart disease.

[royhitshard]

It amazes me how people can walk around, like they never did one ounce
of wrong in their life, when their closet is full of skeletons just waiting to
be let out, the bible calls them secret sins, and the all mighty knows all
of ours sins..both confessed and unconfessed

so he who is with out sin cast the first stone?
I have a few the "all mighty" doesn't know about. I call them my secret little sins. :D

[juck]

Terell Owens is the biggest disease in the United States
Why do u guys think he is suddenly goin to change for the cowboys?
He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker, he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury, and now both of those teams cannot seem to find any big players.
Y would he not do this to the boys?

Please Shut up.:banghead:

[superpunk]

I beg to differ. He is not the biggest disease in the US. He is simply a person with a huge ego. Lets not compare him to serious things like cancer, or heart disease.

C;mon. We have Cowboy fans opting to compare negotiating with TO to allowing Bin Laden to take over the United States.

Surely we can allow our young redskin friend to compare him to a disease, no?:eek:

[Alexander]

I agree, they would be idiots. I guess I just don't see them posting on this board. Perhaps I'm nieve. The fact that the poster indicates that now you have idiots doing this is inaccurate IMO. It is a means to and end. It is a shot and anybody who is not willing to just go with the signing without reservation. I could be wrong and if I am, then I would appoligize but I don't believe I'm wrong. Who are these posters who are hoping that TO fails misserably and the team along with him. After all, that is what would happen if TO turned out to be a bust. I guess I just don't see it.

There are more than a few who want him to basically fail. And by that occurence, the team fails. There are several who would crow day and night if he failed.

How about comments like this:

I hope he never plays a down in a Cowboys uniform and I also hope Jerry Jones has to eat his entire cap hit and gets nothing for it.

There were also some hoping his plane to Dallas would crash when we were signing him.

Moreover, even those that appear resigned to the fact he is now a Cowboy will probably be the first to pop out if he does crash and burn screaming they told everyone so.

It's more about being "right" and "calling it" than it is about the sake of the football team sometimes.

[BigDFan5]

Terell Owens is the biggest disease in the United States

No


Why do u guys think he is suddenly goin to change for the cowboys?

Not so much change as it is having what he wanted from Philly (money) satisfied in a large contract from Dallas. Money was his problem in Philly that will not be an issue here.

He called his Qb gay,

Actually he never said Garcia was gay, he may have implied it yes, but he also came out the next day and said Jeff had a girlfriend and was not gay etc etc.

he called his other Qb stupid and a choker,

You have a link to where he called Mcnabb "stupid" or a "choker"


he asked for a new contract when he was coming off an injury,

He signed a bad deal with the Eagles everyone knew this, his original request was NOT a new contract but to have the roster bonus from 2006 converted into a signing bonus in 2005 therefore eliminating the possibility that he would be cut prior to the 2006 season.


and now both of those teams cannot seem to find any big players.

Trying to figure out how this is Owens fault

[AmishCowboy]

Hey, Kid your only 14, you still have time to save yourself a lifetime of Misery and switch over to the Cowboys!, Cmon you know you like that Star on the Helmet!.

[Hostile]

all good reasons....

but didnt he have jerry rice by his side in SF.....he spent his first few years with jerry...dont you think he would have learned something about how to earn respect?

btw, i am a skins fan however i admired TO for his determination and performance in the SB however, that guy needs to chill off the fieldHow is working with Jerry Rice a detriment to TO? I don't get the point you are trying to make.

TO's mentor since the blowup in Philly has been Mike Irvin. On ESPN Mike said he's told TO he was wrong to bust on his QB.

I'm not a huge fan of the man, but I'm going to give him a fair chance. So far, everything I've seen outside of the Dallas media agenda has been positive.

I even heard from one source (who will remain nameless) that Parcells is giddy about having a weapon like this.

[royhitshard]

C;mon. We have Cowboy fans opting to compare negotiating with TO to allowing Bin Laden to take over the United States.

Surely we can allow our young redskin friend to compare him to a disease, no?:eek:
Oh alright, but just this once.

[Kareemovweet]

Hey.....The man just speaks the truth!!!!! :)

[BigDFan5]

Hey.....The man just speaks the truth!!!!! :)


:welcome: to the board Kareem seems the whole crew is moving over here lol

[nchhalada333]

How is working with Jerry Rice a detriment to TO? I don't get the point you are trying to make.

TO's mentor since the blowup in Philly has been Mike Irvin. On ESPN Mike said he's told TO he was wrong to bust on his QB.

I'm not a huge fan of the man, but I'm going to give him a fair chance. So far, everything I've seen outside of the Dallas media agenda has been positive.

I even heard from one source (who will remain nameless) that Parcells is giddy about having a weapon like this.

i was trying to say that if a guy who doesnt have an outstanding criminal record and is one of the most respected players in the game cant help a man.....how can michael irvin?

[Hostile]

i was trying to say that if a guy who doesnt have an outstanding criminal record and is one of the most respected players in the game cant help a man.....how can michael irvin?Are you saying a Hall of Fame WR can't be a mentor?

Or are you implying that Irvin hasn't changed?

Or are you simply grasping for straws because the water is leaking out of the bucket so fast from the holes I shot in it?

[Jarv]

Simple he has no choice but to change, their is nothing left for Owens but
Dallas and what could be his final pay check, this is make or break and even
T.O. knows he's under the gun

every eye of scrutiny is watching..idiots are praying for it fail..the way T.O.
gets his revenge, is helping Dallas win title 6, then all the morons can do is
eat crow and cry

You know, that brings up a good point...If TO is the MVP and helps us win a Super Bowl...I could see him get his ego back...become a PIA again...But then again we would have our 6th title.


LOL, then what ?

I'll just enjoy that 6th trophy.

[BigDFan5]

Are you saying a Hall of Fame WR can't be a mentor?

Or are you implying that Irvin hasn't changed?

Or are you simply grasping for straws because the water is leaking out of the bucket so fast from the holes I shot in it?

http://www.phillyist.com/attachments/philly_star/1120LG.JPG

[nchhalada333]

Are you saying a Hall of Fame WR can't be a mentor?

Or are you implying that Irvin hasn't changed?

Or are you simply grasping for straws because the water is leaking out of the bucket so fast from the holes I shot in it?

Im implying that a mentor should have good character and not a guy who has been arrested numerous times for felonies during his playing career and during retirement

[Jarv]

Im implying that a mentor should have good character and not a guy who has been arrested numerous times for felonies during his playing career and during retirement

Since you are new here, you should read this thread...

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56446

[BigDFan5]

Im implying that a mentor should have good character and not a guy who has been arrested numerous times for felonies during his playing career and during retirement

Character has nothing to do with being a mentor respect does.

Also can you name the "numerous" felony arrests on Irvins record or are you just repeating what you heard?

[aikemirv]

i was trying to say that if a guy who doesnt have an outstanding criminal record and is one of the most respected players in the game cant help a man.....how can michael irvin?

Teach him a little humility, that is how. Michael seems to have a good bit of it these days if you ask me.

People try to make it out that anti T.O. guys are hypocritical because a lot of guys in sports have done worse things than him and they don't get bashed as bad. For me that is not the case, it is not about what is worse, a thug or T.O. because of course I would take T.O. over a drug dealer or murderer any day.

I just think it is about old school team sports guys like me not liking the me first attitude of a lot of todays athletes and T.O. is just the poster boy for that.

I hope he changes, I really do and does not cause any problems and the Cowboys win and all that stuff but I will still be a bigger fan of the guys who go out and do their job and don't try to promote themselves. Thats who I want to root for and those are the types of players I would like on the Cowboys because they are my team.

[Kareemovweet]

THANKS!!!!!

Yeah I figured I would try it out over here....Figured I won't have the tendencey to go off on Giant fans as much over here....unless provoked....lol

:lmao:

[Hostile]

Im implying that a mentor should have good character and not a guy who has been arrested numerous times for felonies during his playing career and during retirementPeople convicted of felonies go to jail son. Irvin made mistakes but he owned up to them and paid for them. In other words, don't come to a Cowboys forum spouting stuff about their players that you haven't got the gray matter to be speaking about. Take a lesson from the whale kid, the only time he gets harpooned is when he comes up to spout.

You want to feel the spear son, keep on blathering your nonsense.

[BigDFan5]

THANKS!!!!!

Yeah I figured I would try it out over here....Figured I won't have the tendencey to go off on Giant fans as much over here....unless provoked....lol

:lmao:

You won't find many Giants ans here, just Redskins fans and a couple iggle fans

[Alexander]

just Redskins fans and a couple iggle fans

Too many.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDFan5
just Redskins fans and a couple Eagle fans...

Too many.

...to many.

[nchhalada333]

Character has nothing to do with being a mentor respect does.

Also can you name the "numerous" felony arrests on Irvins record or are you just repeating what you heard?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2001/0618/1215598.html

look at the sidebar

thats till 2001

[BigDFan5]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDFan5
just Redskins fans and a couple Eagle fans...



...to many.

Damn it, if your gonna quote me at least use the quote function right!

[Kareemovweet]

You won't find many Giants ans here, just Redskins fans and a couple iggle fans
Yeah that one Iggle fan that I have seen at least seems to be decent....AS far as that Redskin fan.....looks like you guy's have plenty of people on here to stomp them down!!!!! I'll join in on the stomping once I'm here for awhile...lol

:skins: :iggles: :jints:

[Phoenix-Talon]

Damn it, if your gonna quote me at least use the quote function right!

Your right ...doggonit!

[BigDFan5]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2001/0618/1215598.html

look at the sidebar

thats till 2001

Ok I looked, and he was arrested on one felony in 1996 and plead no contest

Thats it the one in 2001 was dropped because of dirty cops.

So one time is "numerous"?

Come on young one at least try and be credible

[BigDFan5]

Yeah that one Iggle fan that I have seen at least seems to be decent....AS far as that Redskin fan.....looks like you guy's have plenty of people on here to stomp them down!!!!! I'll join in on the stomping once I'm here for awhile...lol

:skins: :iggles: :jints:


Make sure and visit everyday for all the news :)

[nchhalada333]

i said arrested...i never said convicted

he pleaded no contest in 96 as a part of a plea bargain
March 4, 1996: Irving, Texas, police respond to complaints of a loud party at a motel. Police find marijuana and cocaine along with drug paraphernalia in room where Irvin and three others are staying.


April 1, 1996: Grand jury indicts Irvin and two others on misdemeanor possession of marijuana. Irvin also is charged with felony possession of at least 4 grams of cocaine.


July 15, 1996: Irvin pleads no contest to second-degree felony cocaine possession in exchange for four years' deferred probation, $10,000 fine and dismissal of misdemeanor marijuana possession charges against him. The deferred probation means if he stays out of trouble, the charge is cleared from his record.

July 6, 2000: A Dallas judge ends Irvin's probation 9 days early.


July 10, 2000: Irvin announces his retirement from the Cowboys and his new job as a commentator for Fox Sports Net.


Aug. 9, 2000: Irvin arrested in North Dallas apartment complex on a charge of misdemeanor possession of marijuana.


Aug. 11, 2000: Members of a drug task force say they won't pursue marijuana charges against Irvin following his arrest in the North Dallas apartment complex.


June 21, 2001: A Denton County grand jury indicts Irvin on a felony charge of possessing less than a gram of cocaine stemming from the Aug. 9 arrest.

[Alexander]

...to many.

:confused:

Is this an attempt to correct what you believe is a spelling error?

[Hostile]

Ok I looked, and he was arrested on one felony in 1996 and plead no contest

Thats it the one in 2001 was dropped because of dirty cops.

So one time is "numerous"?

Come on young one at least try and be credibleHe can't. He's impressed with himself despite knowing nothing.

[BigDFan5]

Your right ...doggonit!

My using the word you're wrong still does not negate the fact that you used the quote function wrong.

Also am I alone in the fact that sometimes my brain types "your" even in situations where you know the word is "you're"?

[Phoenix-Talon]

Make sure and visit everyday for all the news :)

...and football dialogue too!

[BigDFan5]

i said arrested...i never said convicted

he pleaded no contest in 96 as a part of a plea bargain
March 4, 1996: Irving, Texas, police respond to complaints of a loud party at a motel. Police find marijuana and cocaine along with drug paraphernalia in room where Irvin and three others are staying.


April 1, 1996: Grand jury indicts Irvin and two others on misdemeanor possession of marijuana. Irvin also is charged with felony possession of at least 4 grams of cocaine.


July 15, 1996: Irvin pleads no contest to second-degree felony cocaine possession in exchange for four years' deferred probation, $10,000 fine and dismissal of misdemeanor marijuana possession charges against him. The deferred probation means if he stays out of trouble, the charge is cleared from his record.

July 6, 2000: A Dallas judge ends Irvin's probation 9 days early.


July 10, 2000: Irvin announces his retirement from the Cowboys and his new job as a commentator for Fox Sports Net.


Aug. 9, 2000: Irvin arrested in North Dallas apartment complex on a charge of misdemeanor possession of marijuana.


Aug. 11, 2000: Members of a drug task force say they won't pursue marijuana charges against Irvin following his arrest in the North Dallas apartment complex.


June 21, 2001: A Denton County grand jury indicts Irvin on a felony charge of possessing less than a gram of cocaine stemming from the Aug. 9 arrest.


you said he was arrested on "numerous felonies" then provided a link to one felony arrest and a couple misdemeanors

[Alexander]

i said arrested...i never said convicted

he pleaded no contest in 96 as a part of a plea bargain
March 4, 1996: Irving, Texas, police respond to complaints of a loud party at a motel. Police find marijuana and cocaine along with drug paraphernalia in room where Irvin and three others are staying.


April 1, 1996: Grand jury indicts Irvin and two others on misdemeanor possession of marijuana. Irvin also is charged with felony possession of at least 4 grams of cocaine.


July 15, 1996: Irvin pleads no contest to second-degree felony cocaine possession in exchange for four years' deferred probation, $10,000 fine and dismissal of misdemeanor marijuana possession charges against him. The deferred probation means if he stays out of trouble, the charge is cleared from his record.

July 6, 2000: A Dallas judge ends Irvin's probation 9 days early.


July 10, 2000: Irvin announces his retirement from the Cowboys and his new job as a commentator for Fox Sports Net.


Aug. 9, 2000: Irvin arrested in North Dallas apartment complex on a charge of misdemeanor possession of marijuana.


Aug. 11, 2000: Members of a drug task force say they won't pursue marijuana charges against Irvin following his arrest in the North Dallas apartment complex.


June 21, 2001: A Denton County grand jury indicts Irvin on a felony charge of possessing less than a gram of cocaine stemming from the Aug. 9 arrest.

Still waiting for the "arrested numerous times for felonies" part.

[BigDFan5]

He can't. He's impressed with himself despite knowing nothing.


Gotta love new trolls :)

[superpunk]

you said he was arrested on "numerous felonies" then provided a link to one felony arrest and a couple misdemeanors

"your" an idiot.

[BigDFan5]

Still waiting for the "arrested numerous times for felonies" part.

me too, I have a feeling we will be waiting awile

[BigDFan5]

"your" an idiot.

Thats still 3 steps higher than you :)

[Hostile]

i said arrested...i never said convicted

he pleaded no contest in 96 as a part of a plea bargain
March 4, 1996: Irving, Texas, police respond to complaints of a loud party at a motel. Police find marijuana and cocaine along with drug paraphernalia in room where Irvin and three others are staying.


April 1, 1996: Grand jury indicts Irvin and two others on misdemeanor possession of marijuana. Irvin also is charged with felony possession of at least 4 grams of cocaine.


July 15, 1996: Irvin pleads no contest to second-degree felony cocaine possession in exchange for four years' deferred probation, $10,000 fine and dismissal of misdemeanor marijuana possession charges against him. The deferred probation means if he stays out of trouble, the charge is cleared from his record.

July 6, 2000: A Dallas judge ends Irvin's probation 9 days early.


July 10, 2000: Irvin announces his retirement from the Cowboys and his new job as a commentator for Fox Sports Net.


Aug. 9, 2000: Irvin arrested in North Dallas apartment complex on a charge of misdemeanor possession of marijuana.


Aug. 11, 2000: Members of a drug task force say they won't pursue marijuana charges against Irvin following his arrest in the North Dallas apartment complex.


June 21, 2001: A Denton County grand jury indicts Irvin on a felony charge of possessing less than a gram of cocaine stemming from the Aug. 9 arrest.Do you know how many times Mahatma Gandhi was arrested?

I'm not comparing Irvin to Gandhi but being arrested isn't a crime kid. Being convicted means there is a crime. Irvin hasn't been convicted of anything.

Is he a saint? Hell no. But he also isn't the out of control maniac you're trying (stupidly) to sell.

[Alexander]

"your" an idiot.

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.- Dean Wormer

[BigDFan5]

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.- Dean Wormer


Damn, if thats true I am ****ed

[superpunk]

Mahatma was one baaaaaaad dude.

I heard back in the day he rolled with Betty White.

Betty freaking White.

[nchhalada333]

Do you know how many times Mahatma Gandhi was arrested?

I'm not comparing Irvin to Gandhi but being arrested isn't a crime kid. Being convicted means there is a crime. Irvin hasn't been convicted of anything.

Is he a saint? Hell no. But he also isn't the out of control maniac you're trying (stupidly) to sell.

how do u tell me that being arrested for possesion of drugs isnt a crime?

[nchhalada333]

im trying to sell that terrell owens will not change cuz some drug addict who was a once great wideout can change him

Its not like Dexter Manley is going around redskin park with rocky mcintosh

[superpunk]

how do u tell me that being arrested for possesion of drugs isnt a crime?

Thank me later....

http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/slam_dunk/educational_pages/educational_boxes_large/stickybear_reading_comp.jpg

[BigDFan5]

how do u tell me that being arrested for possesion of drugs isnt a crime?

Arrests don't make it a crime, convictions do

Under your standards then Sean Taylor was guilty of pointing guns at people correct? I mean he was arrested for it.

[nchhalada333]

yes and he is going to pay his debt to society

No contest
Not an admission of guilt, but an admission of the truth of the facts alleged in the complaint

therefore, Michael admitted that he had cocaine and sean admitted that he pulled a gun

its not like sean taylor is my idol

[Yeagermeister]

Arrests don't make it a crime, convictions do

Under your standards then Sean Taylor was guilty of pointing guns at people correct? I mean he was arrested for it.
OH SNAP!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/cowboyszone/thread_stuff/capowned.jpg

[BigDFan5]

yes and he is going to pay his debt to society

No contest
Not an admission of guilt, but an admission of the truth of the facts alleged in the complaint

therefore, Michael admitted that he had cocaine and sean admitted that he pulled a gun

its not like sean taylor is my idol


Then you are ok with Sean Taylor being labeled a gun crazed thug and a criminal right?

Lets see you type it. "Sean Taylor is a gun crazed criminal"

[Hostile]

how do u tell me that being arrested for possesion of drugs isnt a crime?Being arrested for anything isn't a crime. People who are innocent get arrested all the time. Did you know that if you get pulled over by a Cop you are under arrest? Don't believe me? Try and leave.

Irvin did some dumb things in the past. Lately he's been a different person because people do change and they do learn. You asked how we knew Ownes will change. We don't. How do you know he's going to screw up again? You don't.

You're proving you don't know much about anything.

[Alexander]

yes and he is going to pay his debt to society

No contest
Not an admission of guilt, but an admission of the truth of the facts alleged in the complaint

therefore, Michael admitted that he had cocaine and sean admitted that he pulled a gun

its not like sean taylor is my idol

Wow.

One of the snippets you posed as evidence for Irvin included a no contest plea. Hmmm.

[Alexander]

You're proving you don't know much about anything.

Is that a bannable offense? Please say yes.

[BigDFan5]

Now your agenda has become obvious.


TO respects Irvin THAT is why Irvin will help TO.

As for "proving" Irvin was a "crackhead" you haven't proven anything other than your lack of knowledge on the subjects you want to talk about.

First "crackhead" would be in reference to crack in which Irvin has never been arrested or plead on. So right ioff your description makes you look like an ignorant 14 year old, Oh wait you are.

Second you said he was arrested "numerous" times on felonies we are still waiting on you to show this is true.

Also Sean Taylor is a gun crazed criminal right?

[Phoenix-Talon]

Listen carefully nchhalada333. You're starting to get pelted! I could be wrong (I've been wrong Before), but there's one person here that you just don't want to have lay the "hammer" down hard on you ...and that's Hos.

Actually, you've made a point here or there, but it's not enough to qualify your concept. Pick your battles carefully ...and know when to fold em (reference to folding in a poker hand). You may be looking a royal fLush In the face!

I like the way you stand your ground though!:cool:

[TX Cowboy]

I agree, they would be idiots. I guess I just don't see them posting on this board. Perhaps I'm nieve. The fact that the poster indicates that now you have idiots doing this is inaccurate IMO. It is a means to and end. It is a shot and anybody who is not willing to just go with the signing without reservation. I could be wrong and if I am, then I would appoligize but I don't believe I'm wrong. Who are these posters who are hoping that TO fails misserably and the team along with him. After all, that is what would happen if TO turned out to be a bust. I guess I just don't see it.

You do realise we are the most hated of any sports team? so other teams
would not want to see us benefit from having T.O. and that is what makes
them idiots

[BigDFan5]

Listen carefully nchhalada333. You're starting to get pelted! I could be wrong (I've been wrong Before), but there's one person here that you just don't want to have lay the "hammer" down hard on you ...and that's Hos.

Actually, you've made a point here or there, but it's not enough to qualify your concept. Pick your battles carefully ...and know when to fold em (reference to folding in a poker hand). You may be looking a royal fLush In the face!

I like the way you stand your ground though!:cool:


I would love to know what point he made, can you fill us in?

[nchhalada333]

You do realise we are the most hated of any sports team? so other teams
would not want to see us benefit from having T.O. and that is what makes
them idiots
personally i think more people hate the Yanks

[Phoenix-Talon]

First "crackhead" would be in reference to crack in which Irvin has never been arrested or plead on.

Actually you're right ...
Michael Irvin Talks About His Arrest

(CBS 11 News & AP) PLANO Former Dallas Cowboys player Michael Irvin is answering questions about his recent arrest in Plano. It's public record that Irvin has had trouble with the law, but Monday during a radio broadcast Irvin said the only thing he is guilty of is trying to help his friends and younger brother.

When officers stopped Irvin for speeding on the Dallas Tollway they found he had an outstanding warrant for speeding from the Irving Police Department and arrested him. As police inventoried his vehicle they found drug paraphernalia, which is a health and safety code violation. Plano Police spokesman Mike Johnson said he didn't know what kind of paraphernalia was found.

On ESPN Radio Irving admitted to having the crack pipe in his car, but explained that it belonged to a friend. "Ya know he's struggling. I know he's struggling. I was like I don't want anything in my house around my kids, ya know so I patted him down and I took this pipe off him. And I thought to throw it in the garbage, but then people have gone through my garbage and I shred everything. And I put it in my car saying I'll take it up the street and... take it up the street later and throw it in the dumpster at the grocery store," says Irvin.

Irvin was booked on the two charges. He paid the speeding fine and posted bond for the drug paraphernalia charge and was released within two hours of the traffic stop.

Again, you're right ...it was not a "crack possession charge."

I'm actually glad, because I hope these incidents with the justice system do not impede his chances of getting into the HOF -- he deserves a place In the HOF!

It may be obvious to you all by now, but Michael Irvin is one of my favorite all time super stars ...if only he were an Eagle!

[Phoenix-Talon]

I would love to know what point he made, can you fill us in?

Took you long enough to ask ...read post #113; if that doesn't answer your question, ask it again.

[nchhalada333]

Actually you're right ...
Michael Irvin Talks About His Arrest

(CBS 11 News & AP) PLANO Former Dallas Cowboys player Michael Irvin is answering questions about his recent arrest in Plano. It's public record that Irvin has had trouble with the law, but Monday during a radio broadcast Irvin said the only thing he is guilty of is trying to help his friends and younger brother.

When officers stopped Irvin for speeding on the Dallas Tollway they found he had an outstanding warrant for speeding from the Irving Police Department and arrested him. As police inventoried his vehicle they found drug paraphernalia, which is a health and safety code violation. Plano Police spokesman Mike Johnson said he didn't know what kind of paraphernalia was found.

On ESPN Radio Irving admitted to having the crack pipe in his car, but explained that it belonged to a friend. "Ya know he's struggling. I know he's struggling. I was like I don't want anything in my house around my kids, ya know so I patted him down and I took this pipe off him. And I thought to throw it in the garbage, but then people have gone through my garbage and I shred everything. And I put it in my car saying I'll take it up the street and... take it up the street later and throw it in the dumpster at the grocery store," says Irvin.

Irvin was booked on the two charges. He paid the speeding fine and posted bond for the drug paraphernalia charge and was released within two hours of the traffic stop.

Again, you're right ...it was not a "crack possession charge."

I'm actually glad, because I hope these incidents with the justice system do not impede his chances of getting into the HOF -- he deserves a place In the HOF!

It may be obvious to you all by now, but Michael Irvin is one of my favorite all time super stars ...if only he were an Eagle!

I was not refferring to that arrest
I was reffering to the 96 crack possesion arrest and the other marijuana charges

btw, i learned my lesson for sure

[SantanaOwnsU]

That was quite a coincidence...Irvin getting pulled over for speeding at the exact moment he had a crack pipe in his car which he was throwing away for a friend. Quite a coincidence indeed. He probably only had the pipe in his car for 5 minutes total, and that was when he was pulled over....what are the chances of that...hmmmm...

[Phoenix-Talon]

[quote=nchhalada333]I was not refferring to that arrest
I was reffering to the 96 crack possesion arrest and the other marijuana charges

Ok, you're on your own with this one.


btw, i learned my lesson for sure

I can only guess what you're referring to, but I'd heed the words of wisdom if I were you!:)

[SantanaOwnsU]

I don't know how this discussion got to Michael Irvin and crack cocaine...I don't want to read the entire post. But I will put my 2 cents in on why I think T.O. will change as a Dallas Cowboy. He won't. He will try his hardest to be a good boy and play by the rules and not cross Parcells, but I think ultimately he has a personality defect. He is who he is because of who he is...great NFL talent, one of the best wide recievers in the game, selfish, immature, terrible teammate. All T.O. all the time.

[Hostile]

That was quite a coincidence...Irvin getting pulled over for speeding at the exact moment he had a crack pipe in his car which he was throwing away for a friend. Quite a coincidence indeed. He probably only had the pipe in his car for 5 minutes total, and that was when he was pulled over....what are the chances of that...hmmmm...You know, it doesn't pay to jump in with crap when the natives are already pissed off.

Know what you're talking about before you shoot your mouth off. Irvin claimed to have taken the pipe away from a friend over to his house for Thanksgiving dinner. 5 minutes later huh? Want to see the dates of the traffic stop? Or would you prefer to pull your foot out of your mouth now and shut up?

[superpunk]

The native ARE restless.

We're fighting with eachother.

Don't give us ACTUAL "enemies" to go after, LOL.

[Hostile]

I don't know how this discussion got to Michael Irvin and crack cocaine...I don't want to read the entire post. But I will put my 2 cents in on why I think T.O. will change as a Dallas Cowboy. He won't. He will try his hardest to be a good boy and play by the rules and not cross Parcells, but I think ultimately he has a personality defect. He is who he is because of who he is...great NFL talent, one of the best wide recievers in the game, selfish, immature, terrible teammate. All T.O. all the time.Much better post than the previous one. Hope you stick with this tack.

[superpunk]

terrible teammate.

And yet almost all of his former teammates say great things about him, how much they enjoy the guy, playing cards with him, etc.

I'm sure common perception about Michael was that he was a jerk, and a terrible teammate as well.
But his teammates LOVED him.

[SantanaOwnsU]

I was under the impression that he was taking the pipe to a dumpster to throw it away. If he was driving around Dallas with a crackpipe in his car for days and days then my opinion of Michael Irvin has reached a new all time low. You gotta have more sense then that. Especially if you're a known drug abuser with a record...come on Michael. How long was the pipe in his car? I guess I gave him too much credit by assuming he would only have his "friend's pipe" in his car for the time it would take to drive to the dumpster and throw it out. He had it in there for days and days??? That's asking to be arrested...well I guess he got what he was asking for.

[Hostile]

I was under the impression that he was taking the pipe to a dumpster to throw it away. If he was driving around Dallas with a crackpipe in his car for days and days then my opinion of Michael Irvin has reached a new all time low. You gotta have more sense then that. Especially if you're a known drug abuser with a record...come on Michael. How long was the pipe in his car? I guess I gave him too much credit by assuming he would only have his "friend's pipe" in his car for the time it would take to drive to the dumpster and throw it out. He had it in there for days and days??? That's asking to be arrested...well I guess he got what he was asking for.You had a chance to speak with some knowledge and chose to talk stupid again.

5 minutes to days and days.

Time to admit you don't know anything about the incident (like that a friend did come forward and validate the claims) and you need to remember where you are.

[SantanaOwnsU]

And yet almost all of his former teammates say great things about him, how much they enjoy the guy, playing cards with him, etc.

I'm sure common perception about Michael was that he was a jerk, and a terrible teammate as well.
But his teammates LOVED him.


Yeah, just ask Donavon or Garcia. They loved him. His teammates love his work ethic, talent, and ability. Some of his boys love him. I'm sure he's a great guy to hang out with if you stay on his good side. But if anyone crosses T.O. he will never let you forget it, ever. I still don't know what Donavon did to him, T.O. pretty much just called him out. "Black on black crime" - Donavon Mcnabb.

[BigDFan5]

Actually you're right ...
Michael Irvin Talks About His Arrest

(CBS 11 News & AP) PLANO Former Dallas Cowboys player Michael Irvin is answering questions about his recent arrest in Plano. It's public record that Irvin has had trouble with the law, but Monday during a radio broadcast Irvin said the only thing he is guilty of is trying to help his friends and younger brother.

When officers stopped Irvin for speeding on the Dallas Tollway they found he had an outstanding warrant for speeding from the Irving Police Department and arrested him. As police inventoried his vehicle they found drug paraphernalia, which is a health and safety code violation. Plano Police spokesman Mike Johnson said he didn't know what kind of paraphernalia was found.

On ESPN Radio Irving admitted to having the crack pipe in his car, but explained that it belonged to a friend. "Ya know he's struggling. I know he's struggling. I was like I don't want anything in my house around my kids, ya know so I patted him down and I took this pipe off him. And I thought to throw it in the garbage, but then people have gone through my garbage and I shred everything. And I put it in my car saying I'll take it up the street and... take it up the street later and throw it in the dumpster at the grocery store," says Irvin.

Irvin was booked on the two charges. He paid the speeding fine and posted bond for the drug paraphernalia charge and was released within two hours of the traffic stop.

Again, you're right ...it was not a "crack possession charge."

I'm actually glad, because I hope these incidents with the justice system do not impede his chances of getting into the HOF -- he deserves a place In the HOF!

It may be obvious to you all by now, but Michael Irvin is one of my favorite all time super stars ...if only he were an Eagle!


I have read that article, I have also read the actual police report and on it stated it was a multi colored marijuana pipe, not a crack pipe, He was also arrested on the warrant, the paraphenalia in Texas is only a citation he would not have been arrested on that alone

[superpunk]

Yeah, just ask Donavon or Garcia. They loved him.

nice. Two out of how many?

On the radio a few months ago - ND Kalu was interviewed. He said that 90% of owens' teammates have no problem with the guy, and enjoy being around him.

[SantanaOwnsU]

O.k. Hostile, I'll bite. How long was the pipe in his car? I can't remember everything about the incident I get my Michael Irvin drug arrests all confused and they run together. All I'm saying is that if he was driving around with a crack pipe in his car for more than the time it took to take the pipe to a dumpster and throw it away for his boy, then that was too long. Obviosuly he would agree with me since that incident almost cost him his job at ESPN. I don't know why he couldn't just stomp the thing on his driveway and empty the glass into his garbage can, it would shatter into a million pieces. But that's just me. I don't know much about crackpipes...illuminate me, please.

[BigDFan5]

I was not refferring to that arrest
I was reffering to the 96 crack possesion arrest and the other marijuana charges

btw, i learned my lesson for sure


He was never arrested on a crack charge in 1996 once again your facts are wrong

[GTaylor]

im trying to sell that terrell owens will not change cuz some drug addict who was a once great wideout can change him

Its not like Dexter Manley is going around redskin park with rocky mcintosh

I doubt Owens will change, but Chris Carter did get Moss turned around...for a while and Carter had drug problems in the past.

[Phoenix-Talon]

[quote]Yeah, just ask Donavon or Garcia. They loved him. His teammates love his work ethic, talent, and ability. Some of his boys love him.

I know you're being facetious SantanaOwnsU, but actually McNabb did indeed love TOs talents and abilities ...on the grid-iron! They may not have talked much, but they did connect with receptions. Now TO in the lockerroom is an entirely different matter.

I'm sure he's a great guy to hang out with if you stay on his good side. But if anyone crosses T.O. he will never let you forget it, ever. I still don't know what Donavon did to him

May I enlighten you here ...TO is a field general ...so is McNabb. On often occasions McNabb had to make decisons that didn't include hitting a sometimes wide open TO. Even from his days with the 49ers, TO hates to be ignored if wide open. In the past, MvcNabb has been notorius for not seeing receivers wide Open, or running the designed play rather than hitting a wide-open TO.

TO also believed that McNabb could have Been more Persuasive with Eagles GM in being an advocate for his new contract. Sprinkle a little envy, some Campbells sponsorship money and a dab of McNabbs desire to remain dedicated to his team, and colleagues, and you have Donovan McNabb being D-Nabb clashing with TO being TO. Bottom line is that they didn't really gel.

[GhettoxCowboy]

I'll play too...T.O. won't be replicate his past behavior because he has too much to lose. This IS his last team and last contract.

do u really think T.o. cares? i really doubt that. i guarantee u that if it does not work in dallas, he still gets another shot on another team, book it.

[BigDFan5]

The little Redskins kid linked this thread to extreme, coming from there its no wonder he is so misinformed

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157032

[Phoenix-Talon]

I have read that article, I have also read the actual police report and on it stated it was a multi colored marijuana pipe, not a crack pipe, He was also arrested on the warrant, the paraphenalia in Texas is only a citation he would not have been arrested on that alone

Ok ...now you tell me ...what part of "Actually you're right" ...did you not get?:confused:

[ghst187]

He called his Qb gay, he called his other Qb stupid and a choker,

Don't you agree with him?
:laugh1:

[BigDFan5]

Ok ...now you tell me ...what part of "Actually you're right" ...did you not get?:confused:

the part where you highlighted "crack" pipe when that in fact is wrong.

[Phoenix-Talon]

the part where you highlighted "crack" pipe when that in fact is wrong.

Either you're looking for a fight or you're just not focused this evening.

Explanation level for a 14 year old (no, I'm not sayIng your reading/comprehension level is that of a 14 year old -- we do have a 14 year old on the board): The darker letters only makes a person look
harder at that word or words. It does not mean that I wrote the word or agree with the word or words.

Explanation for a Football Savvy poster: I'm fully in control of my venacular, and capable of saying that I think Michael Irvin was arrested for having a crack pipe; if that was what I was trying to say as you imply.

I suggest that you may have misread the article, or perhaps my statement... that Michael Irvin was one of my favorite all-time Players -- was misleading. :confused:

Let me know if this clarifies anything for you.

[BigDFan5]

Either you're looking for a fight or you're just not focused this evening.

Explanation level for a 14 year old (no, I'm not sayIng your reading/comprehension level is that of a 14 year old -- we do have a 14 year old on the board): The darker letters only makes a person look
harder at that word or words. It does not mean that I wrote the word or agree with the word or words.

Explanation for a Football Savvy poster: I'm fully in control of my venacular, and capable of saying that I think Michael Irvin was arrested for having a crack pipe; if that was what I was trying to say as you imply.

I suggest that you may have misread the article, or perhaps my statement... that Michael Irvin was one of my favorite all-time Players -- was misleading. :confused:

Let me know if this clarifies anything for you.

Usually when someone bolds something they are trying to draw attention to it for the purpose of it backing up another statement. Point being thank you for agreing, just the article you posted mentions "crack pipe" when in fact it was not a crack pipe that was my point

[Phoenix-Talon]

BigDFan5]Usually when someone bolds something they are trying to draw attention to it for the purpose of it backing up another statement

I've just a "bold-font" on your comments ...oops doesn't that contradict that bullcrap definition you gave for highlighting. There are many reasons to highlight something; I often highlight a poster's ID, to show respect to another poster.

Look, I'm an Eagles fan; I know you dislike me because you are an opponent fan -- understandable. But don't piss from a balcony and tell me it's raining! I'm no rookie fan just passing through. Hate me, but don't put words in my mouth!


Point being thank you for agreing, just the article you posted mentions "crack pipe" when in fact it was not a crack pipe that was my point

One More little detail ...I wasn't there, neither were you. You, nor I have no real conclusive reason to believe/disbelieve what a newspaper article prints as the gospel. I get your point though!

Caveat: Oops, I underlined something.

[BigDFan5]

[quote]

I've just a "bold-font" on your comments ...oops doesn't that contradict that bullcrap definition you gave for highlighting. There are many reasons to highlight something; I often highlight a poster's ID, to show respect to another poster.

Look, I'm an Eagles fan; I know you dislike me because you are an opponent fan -- understandable. But don't piss from a balcony and tell me it's raining! I'm no rookie fan just passing through. Hate me, but [B]don't put words in my mouth!

Actually you didn't bold my comments you messed up the quote feature again lol

I said "usually" that is a reason something is bolded, I put no words in your mouth at all.

I don;t dislike you at all, I believe I even PMed you awile back to let you know I can respect an opponent fan like yourself not here to talk trash.

and for the third time, my post was pointing out the error in the article, nothing against you personally.

[BigDFan5]

One More little detail ...I wasn't there, neither were you. You, nor I have no real conclusive reason to believe/disbelieve what a newspaper article prints as the gospel. I get your point though!

Caveat: Oops, I underlined something.



I disbelieve the account from ESPN since the official police report mentioned a multi colored pipe and a small bag with marijuana residue found together. I figure the cop knew what he saw.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Actually you didn't bold my comments you messed up the quote feature again

Look again ...I may not have that "quote" feature down yet, but I sure know how to use the "edit" feature! Lol.

[QUOTE]I said "usually" that is a reason something is bolded, I put no words in your mouth at all.

The word "usually" normally denote traditionally, or perhaps frequently. I don't buy that lame excuse for your definition of HighlightIng something. You clearly elude to my consent, my approval, nay, ...my very advocacy of the article. Naughty, naughty ...!

I don't dislike you at all, I believe I even PMed you awile back to let you know I can respect an opponent fan like yourself not here to talk trash.

I remember. Forgive me if I seem calice; but I'm hit on so many different fronts on a daily basis, that when it appears as though someone is trying (inadvertantly or otherwise) to put words in my mouth, I go into protect mode. I'll loosen up BigDFan5. We're fine.:cool:

[BigDFan5]

[quote]

Look again ...I may not have that "quote" feature down yet, but I sure know how to use the "edit" feature! Lol.

I am just glad the "edited by" message does not show up for a few minutes otherwise almost all of mine would be edited.



The word "usually" normally denote traditionally, or perhaps frequently. I don't buy that lame excuse for your definition of HighlightIng something. You clearly elude to my consent, my approval, nay, ...my very advocacy of the article. Naughty, naughty ...!


When I see something highlighted I take it as the person making the post advocating that view, while it may be wrong of me usually It is correct.




I remember. Forgive me if I seem calice; but I'm hit on so many different fronts on a daily basis, that when it appears as though someone is trying (inadvertantly or otherwise) to put words in my mouth, I go into protect mode. I'll loosen up BigDFan5. We're fine.:cool:


If I was coming after you, it would not be inadvertant or veiled :) Glad we got it worked out :)

[Phoenix-Talon]

If I was coming after you, it would not be inadvertant or veiled :) Glad we got it worked out :)

We do ...you're a good opponent! I'm going to enjoy disagreeing with you in future posts.:rolleyes:

[BigDFan5]

We do ...you're a good opponent! I'm going to enjoy disagreeing with you in future posts.:rolleyes:


I am sure that day is coming :cool:

[Hostile]

O.k. Hostile, I'll bite. How long was the pipe in his car? I can't remember everything about the incident I get my Michael Irvin drug arrests all confused and they run together. All I'm saying is that if he was driving around with a crack pipe in his car for more than the time it took to take the pipe to a dumpster and throw it away for his boy, then that was too long. Obviosuly he would agree with me since that incident almost cost him his job at ESPN. I don't know why he couldn't just stomp the thing on his driveway and empty the glass into his garbage can, it would shatter into a million pieces. But that's just me. I don't know much about crackpipes...illuminate me, please.A 2 watt bulb doesn't give off much illumination but I'll see if you can brighten up. Here's a speedometer for you. You just let me know if I go too fast.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Speedometer.jpeg/300px-Speedometer.jpeg

In the simplest terms it's like this, avoid speaking like you know what you're talking about on a subject that you obviously don't know anything about and you won't end up looking foolish.

Are you lit up enough or would like some more?

[big dog cowboy]

What makes you think owens will change?

$$$$$$$$$$$$

That is all he wanted now he is getting it.

Now, no more questions about.......who were we talking about???