Best arm and best receiver hooking up will be sweet :)

[Cowchips]

No one argues that Drew Bledsoe has the best, most accurate arm in football (robo-quarterback was his nickname in college). Watching him hook up with the best receiver in football is gonna be sweet. This will require that Bledsoe stays upright but if they give him some protection, it will be an amazing season for the Cowboys.

[Phoenix-Talon]

No one argues that Drew Bledsoe has the best, most accurate arm in football (robo-quarterback was his nickname in college).

I'll argue that!:confused:

[dbair1967]

I'll argue that!:confused:

yeah me too...I like Bledsoe, I was pretty pleased with how he played last yr (especially when compared to the clowns we've had at QB since Aikman retired)

strongest AND most accurate arm clearly would be Carson Palmer right now IMO, and isnt isnt close IMO either

Bledsoe is probably in the mix when you factor in strongest AND most accurate (not one or the other but combined) but he isnt close to Palmer

David

[MossBurner]

No one argues that Drew Bledsoe has the best, most accurate arm in football

Except for maybe every human other than you.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Except for maybe every human other than you.

:laugh1: A skins fan makes a funny.

Good job.:cool:

[Yeagermeister]

When did we sign Steve Smith or Marvin Harrison? :D

[REDVOLUTION]

I'll argue that!:confused:

Who are you arguing for? McNabb? Bwahhhh hahahhhah

When Drew and T.O. do what Donovan and T.O could not do then I am guessing that you will not even come back to this board.

Oh wait, you will come back and be all PC. Things like "I actually am happy for you guys winning the SB with T.O."

:lmao2: How sincere will that post be...? LOL

[FiveTime]

Bledsoe is one of the better passers in the league, easily much better than McNabb or Garcia.

[THUMPER]

yeah me too...I like Bledsoe, I was pretty pleased with how he played last yr (especially when compared to the clowns we've had at QB since Aikman retired)

strongest AND most accurate arm clearly would be Carson Palmer right now IMO, and isnt isnt close IMO either

Bledsoe is probably in the mix when you factor in strongest AND most accurate (not one or the other but combined) but he isnt close to Palmer

David

I would have to agree with you on Palmer, he is the most accurate QB in the game right now but I don't think that Bledsoe is far behind him and would have to be in the top-5 in terms of accuracy.

I definitely don't believe Owens is the BEST WR in the game today.

Torry Holt, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, THEN Owens and Santana Moss so I rank him tied for 7th.

[Double Trouble]

Bledsoe clearly has one of the strongest arms - maybe the strongest - arm in the league. But the most accurate? Not even close.

[REDVOLUTION]

I would have to agree with you on Palmer, he is the most accurate QB in the game right now but I don't think that Bledsoe is far behind him and would have to be in the top-5 in terms of accuracy.

I definitely don't believe Owens is the BEST WR in the game today.

Torry Holt, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, THEN Owens and Santana Moss so I rank him tied for 7th.

Game Changing WR are:

1. Randy Moss(but he takes plays off and has no heart so this #1 is deceiving and you could easily put TO here)
2. Terrell Owens
3. Santana Moss

in that order...

those others are just great WR's NOT game changers IMO

[MossBurner]

:laugh1: A skins fan makes a funny.

Good job.:cool:

Thanks, do you agree with me?

[Alexander]

Who are you arguing for? McNabb? Bwahhhh hahahhhah

:laugh1:

Ten to one he is.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thanks, do you agree with me?

I think it is silly to say nobody could argue that Bledsoe is the best.

I think he is much better than some wish to give credit for, but it is a laugh to say it could not be argued.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Who are you arguing for? McNabb? Bwahhhh hahahhhah

When Drew and T.O. do what Donovan and T.O could not do then I am guessing that you will not even come back to this board.

Oh wait, you will come back and be all PC. Things like "I actually am happy for you guys winning the SB with T.O." How sincere will that post be...? LOL

You really need to consider going on a very long vacation... sport.

[Alexander]

You really need to consider going on a very long vacation... sport.

So that's a "yes"?

[ravidubey]

Most accurate deep: Manning.
Most accurate overall: Brady.

Strongest: Who cares? Take your pick of several QB's. Strong enough to make each and every kind of throw is most important as is the stamina to keep throwing for 25 weeks of games and practice.

Bledsoe can work on his accuracy when he's tired and under the gun late in games-- but how do you replicate those conditions to practice them? He developed some chemistry with Keyshawn Johnson last year and that really helped is completion percentage.

TO presents the biggest challenge Bledsoe has ever had because TO presents opportunities to make big plays out of short to intermediate passes, but those big plays can best happen when the QB places the ball just right. This is the kind of pass requiring the kind of accuracy and timing that Bledsoe is not used to. I think Drew is so inclined to throwing downfield that the subtleties of throwing short are somewhat lost on him.

[ravidubey]

Game Changing WR are:

1. Randy Moss(but he takes plays off and has no heart so this #1 is deceiving and you could easily put TO here)
2. Terrell Owens
3. Santana Moss

in that order...

those others are just great WR's NOT game changers IMO

Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, and Torry Holt are not game-changing WR's? I think you need a knock on the head! Smith was an MVP candidate last year and was certainly the MVP of the Panthers' playoff run in 2003. Johnson led his team on and off the field in a way I haven't seen since Michael Irvin. Holt has been so dominant for so long you tend to ignore his contribution, but he might be the best WR in the league. Not game-changing? Without these guys the game is sunk!

[DLCassidy]

yeah me too...I like Bledsoe, I was pretty pleased with how he played last yr (especially when compared to the clowns we've had at QB since Aikman retired)

strongest AND most accurate arm clearly would be Carson Palmer right now IMO, and isnt isnt close IMO either

Bledsoe is probably in the mix when you factor in strongest AND most accurate (not one or the other but combined) but he isnt close to Palmer

David

It might be a lot more interesting comparison if Palmer was playing behind our line and Bledsoe was playing behind theirs. Did you watch any of the Bengals games last year?

[BESTintheEAST]

Donovan is nothing without his legs, he has made is living running aroung like a chicken with his head cut off. Drew could never run and is still better than Donovan get a clue man.

[Kangaroo]

It might be a lot more interesting comparison if Palmer was playing behind our line and Bledsoe was playing behind theirs. Did you watch any of the Bengals games last year?

When has Bledose ever been consider accurate his career passing % in a passing era is a whopping 57.3%

[starfrombirth]

Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, and Torry Holt are not game-changing WR's? I think you need a knock on the head! Smith was an MVP candidate last year and was certainly the MVP of the Panthers' playoff run in 2003. Johnson led his team on and off the field in a way I haven't seen since Michael Irvin. Holt has been so dominant for so long you tend to ignore his contribution, but he might be the best WR in the league. Not game-changing? Without these guys the game is sunk!


I'm sorry but I have to agree with this statement. Marvin might be the best the game has ever other than the ageless one himself. That being said however, outside of T.O.'s antics, athletically he is among the top three in the game still.

[CrazyCowboy]

I like the way you are thinking!

[Phoenix-Talon]

Ten to one he is.

You're a staunch fan , I'll give you that, but surely even you realize that there's more to the NFL than Bledsoe, and McNabb!? However, since you and your cohort brought up the subject, consider these things before you start waving the Bledsoe flag...

Bledsoe:


More experience, may even be more accurate with a stronger arm
14 years experience
Born: 2/14/1972 -- 35 years old

Note: May have seen his best days (this year will demonstrate); may be a better backup QB in 2007;

McNabb:

Less experience, may be less accurate with less range
8 years experience
Born: 1/25/1976 -- 30 years old

Note: Still improving ...more mobile, stronger and faster.


I'll wait to hear from the statisticians -- I know it's coming.:cool:

[THUMPER]

You're a staunch fan , I'll give you that, but surely even you realize that there's more to the NFL than Bledsoe, and McNabb!? However, since you and your cohort brought up the subject, consider these things before you start waving the Bledsoe flag...

Bledsoe:


More experience, may even be more accurate with a stronger arm
14 years experience
Born: 2/14/1972 -- 35 years old

Note: May have seen his best days (this year will demonstrate); may be a better backup QB in 2007;

McNabb:

Less experience, may be less accurate with less range
8 years experience
Born: 1/25/1976 -- 30 years old

Note: Still improving ...more mobile, stronger and faster.


I'll wait to hear from the statisticians -- I know it's coming.:cool:

I don't think there is much dissention, outside of Philadelphia, that McNabb is one of the LEAST accurate QBs in the game today. The guy is an excellent athlete and makes plays but accuracy is NOT his strong suit.

Bledsoe, on the other hand, doesn't have much except his accuracy, which is excellent. He certainly isn't going to beat anyone with his legs.

In case you missed it the discussion was about accuracy and arm strength.

[Phoenix-Talon]

In case you missed it the discussion was about accuracy and arm strength.

Didn't miss anything ...in case you missed it, my discussion was responding to another poster -- you came out of nowhere with a different wrinkle. Take a look for yourself ...then figure it out...

Who are you arguing for? McNabb? Bwahhhh hahahhhah

When Drew and T.O. do what Donovan and T.O could not do then I am guessing that you will not even come back to this board.

Oh wait, you will come back and be all PC. Things like "I actually am happy for you guys winning the SB with T.O."

Thumper, sometimes I have to respond to off-topic comments. You probably don't have to concern yourself about that, and I understand. But don't sling comments at me like that until you take a look at what one of your off-topic
fandom has said prior to your comments.

On Topic:

Quote from Thumper... I don't think there is much dissention, outside of Philadelphia, that McNabb is one of the LEAST accurate QBs in the game today. The guy is an excellent athlete and makes plays but accuracy is NOT his strong suit.

He's thrown His share of picks; but I'd still say He's more accurate than Tony Romo or Drew Henson.

He certainly isn't going to beat anyone with his legs.

You got that right!

In case you missed it the discussion was about accuracy and arm strength.

See my comments above ...

[fortdick]

McNabb:

Less experience, may be less accurate with less range
8 years experience
Born: 1/25/1976 -- 30 years old

Note: Still improving ...more mobile, stronger and faster.


I'll wait to hear from the statisticians -- I know it's coming.:cool:

You have to admit, that was a tough throw hitting Roy Williams on the run like that! Not many NFL QB's would make that read and throw at that crucial a time!

P.S., if at 30, is he getting stronger or faster? After 8 years, he shouldn't have much need for impriovement. If he isn't at the top of his game right now, he never will!

[superpunk]

He's thrown His share of picks; but I'd still say He's more accurate than Tony Romo or Drew Henson.

:fogeys:

[Alexander]

I don't think there is much dissention, outside of Philadelphia, that McNabb is one of the LEAST accurate QBs in the game today. The guy is an excellent athlete and makes plays but accuracy is NOT his strong suit.

Bledsoe, on the other hand, doesn't have much except his accuracy, which is excellent. He certainly isn't going to beat anyone with his legs.

In case you missed it the discussion was about accuracy and arm strength.

Precisely.

That's the argument. Nobody with a sane mind would assert that either are the most accurate or have the strongest arm.

[Phoenix-Talon]

If he isn't at the top of his game right now, he never will!

Same could be said for Bledsoe!

[TheSkaven]

Torry Holt, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, THEN Owens and Santana Moss so I rank him tied for 7th.Take away the personality and problem child attitude that he has, can you honestly say that those six receivers are better than Terrell Owens? I think you may change your opinion after this season.

Look, I am not fond of him either as a person, but as a player he is one of the best that I have ever seen (since the 70's). He catches everything near him, he can be physical and he can go deep. I can't tell you how many times I have seen TO catch a slant pass, shed a linebacker, and take it to the house. How many of the receivers on that list can do that?

Torry Holt? Great finesse receiver, great speed and route running but doesn't do well over the middle.

Steve Smith? Smallish receiver, great in the open field but can't make a play in traffic. Gets pushed around by bigger cornerbacks too.

Marvin Harrison? Very good receiver, but would this guy have put up the kind of numbers that TO has with Garcia throwing to him?

Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are at least in Terrell's league.

It's a matter of opinion, of course, but I would put Terrell Owens in the top 5 best receivers ever to play the game. The guy is just phenomenal.

[the kid 05]

we got t.o. so db will be throwing to the 6th best wr, not 1st, but still good to think about

[Kangaroo]

OK since people brought it up

McNabb (err McChoke)
Currently has a Career Completion % of 58.4%

Bledsoe has a Career Completion % of 57.3%


TD's to Int we will look at ratio do to years in league gap

Bledose has 244 Td to 198 int Bledose has a 1.23 TD to Int Ratio

McNabb has 134TD to 66 int McNabb on the other hand has 2.03 TD to int Ratio

YPA

Bledsoe a 6.64 career average

MCNabb a 6.60 career average (He plays in a dink and dunk offense to now that is sad)

OK so how is Bledsoe so much better than McNabb ?

:confused:

[DGreenFan87]

well, regardless of this bledsoe vs mcnabb rant that's going on, bledsoe still isn't the most accurate AND the strongest arm. good QB though. just make sure his line can keep up.

and lemme guess, someone is gonna bring up brunell even though i'm not comparing the two, just stating my opinion. :rolleyes:

[superpunk]

Brunell sucks.

[Vintage]

OK since people brought it up

McNabb (err McChoke)
Currently has a Career Completion % of 58.4%

Bledsoe has a Career Completion % of 57.3%


TD's to Int we will look at ratio do to years in league gap

Bledose has 244 Td to 198 int Bledose has a 1.23 TD to Int Ratio

McNabb has 134TD to 66 int McNabb on the other hand has 2.03 TD to int Ratio

YPA

Bledsoe a 6.64 career average

MCNabb a 6.60 career average (He plays in a dink and dunk offense to now that is sad)

OK so how is Bledsoe so much better than McNabb ?

:confused:


Good post. The only thing anyone could argue is that McNabb's percentage of passes completed could be inflated bec. he plays in a WCO.

But his ypc isn't much lower and TD to INT rate are better.

McNabb did most of that without a true #1 WR too...

[KingTuna]

No one argues that Drew Bledsoe has the best, most accurate arm in football (robo-quarterback was his nickname in college). Watching him hook up with the best receiver in football is gonna be sweet. This will require that Bledsoe stays upright but if they give him some protection, it will be an amazing season for the Cowboys.

Absolutley!!! Bledsoe is still the most accurate deep passer in football.
Gotta love the 70+ yard throws with TOUCH!!

Gonna be FUN this year!!!!

[fortdick]

Same could be said for Bledsoe!

Yes, I think Bledsoe is at the top of his game. But youa re the one that said that McFlabb was better because he was still improving. He is getting injured more often now and the beating he is taking in the pass first, then pass more offense that the Eagle run will just make it worse. I think you are going to see a serious slide on Chunky's part do to the abuse he has taken.

He isn't going to get any better.

[wileedog]

OK since people brought it up

McNabb (err McChoke)
Currently has a Career Completion % of 58.4%

Bledsoe has a Career Completion % of 57.3%


TD's to Int we will look at ratio do to years in league gap

Bledose has 244 Td to 198 int Bledose has a 1.23 TD to Int Ratio

McNabb has 134TD to 66 int McNabb on the other hand has 2.03 TD to int Ratio

YPA

Bledsoe a 6.64 career average

MCNabb a 6.60 career average (He plays in a dink and dunk offense to now that is sad)

OK so how is Bledsoe so much better than McNabb ?

:confused:

Nobodies saying Bledsoe is better. But he is stronger and more accurate, particularly deep. Neither is actually particularly accurate on the short and intermediate stuff.

Bledsoe has been hurt on his YPA by playing behind some horrific O-lines the past few years. McNabb has never had a completely sub-par offensive line in his career, and even what holes he's had he can make up for with his athleticism. Bledsoe can't do that.

Again, not saying Drew is the better QB, but if I knew I had a dominate offensive line with lots of depth I'd probably play Drew over McNabb. but that would probably be the only time, and that's pretty rare these days.

[Yeagermeister]

Absolutley!!! Bledsoe is still the most accurate deep passer in football.
Gotta love the 70+ yard throws with TOUCH!!

Gonna be FUN this year!!!!
But can he throw a 30 yard slant? :D

[Dale]

I, also, don't agree about Bledsoe being the "best" of anything, but I think clearly he's a better pure passer than either McNabb or Garcia before they started throwing to Owens.

It'll be interesting to see if Owens as a similar effect on Bledsoe's career/numbers, and if so, to what extent.

Owens is the ultimate QB-maker and-killer. Boy, if we could somehow misout on the killer part, we'd be in for a fun ride.

[dbair1967]

I definitely don't believe Owens is the BEST WR in the game today.

Torry Holt, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, THEN Owens and Santana Moss so I rank him tied for 7th.

wow...I absolutely cant stand Owens personally and was outspoken about not wanting him here, but he definitely one of the top 2 or 3 in the game, and very arguably the best all around WR in the game...no way would I take Ward, Harrison or R Moss before him...no way in heck...Holt or S Smith maybe, but I think Owens is tougher to match up with than those two because of his size and run after catch skills

David

[Dale]

Just look at the one season McNabb played a full year with Owens and compare it to every other season he's had, and you can't help but get excited about what Owens may do for Bledsoe.

Do the same for Garcia and you'll get even more excited. :)

[dbair1967]

It might be a lot more interesting comparison if Palmer was playing behind our line and Bledsoe was playing behind theirs. Did you watch any of the Bengals games last year?

yeah I did...and he has the the #1 combination of arm strength/accuracy in the game...and it isnt close

David

[wileedog]

Just look at the one season McNabb played a full year with Owens and compare it to every other season he's had, and you can't help but get excited about what Owens may do for Bledsoe.

Do the same for Garcia and you'll get even more excited. :)

And then say your 3,846,572nd prayer that the O-line holds up.

:pray2:

[AsthmaField]

Do the same for Garcia and you'll get even more excited. :)

Frankly, I don't want to look at anything of Garcia's and get excited.:cool:

[MONT17]

Henson has the strongest arm and Crayton will be the best WR to ever play the game!!!

[Yeagermeister]

Frankly, I don't want to look at anything of Garcia's and get excited.:cool:
Not even his supposed girlfriend? :D

[AsthmaField]

Not even his supposed girlfriend? :D

Not with my wife around!:shoot4:

[DLCassidy]

yeah I did...and he has the the #1 combination of arm strength/accuracy in the game...and it isnt close

David

I think Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are certainly "close" overall. As for Bledsoe, I'm just saying supporting cast means a lot. In the games I watched Cincy play last year Bledsoe would have killed for most of the pockets Palmer was throwing from. If our o-line improves this year and stays healthy I think Bledsoe will have his best overall season as a pro.

[The Answer]

No one argues that Drew Bledsoe has the best, most accurate arm in football (robo-quarterback was his nickname in college). Watching him hook up with the best receiver in football is gonna be sweet. This will require that Bledsoe stays upright but if they give him some protection, it will be an amazing season for the Cowboys.

You are correct sir.

Robo-QB has been shredding defenses since his days at Washington State. And The Answer is thrilled that Bledsoe finally has a true weapon to exploit for the first time in his illustrious 14 year NFL career.

No NFL passing record is safe this season!

~The Answer

[The Answer]

yeah me too...I like Bledsoe, I was pretty pleased with how he played last yr (especially when compared to the clowns we've had at QB since Aikman retired)

strongest AND most accurate arm clearly would be Carson Palmer right now IMO, and isnt isnt close IMO either

Bledsoe is probably in the mix when you factor in strongest AND most accurate (not one or the other but combined) but he isnt close to Palmer

David

What is will all the Palmer love? It's almost as bad as the lust for Peyton Manning.....

Palmer is a great young QB, but he only had one good season. And just like Manning, he has plenty of toys to play with. The Answer wants to see how he responds this season after coming off a serious injury and what he can do in the playoffs if he makes it there and is healthy.

It's ludicrous to say that Bledsoe isn't close to Palmer...if anything Palmer isn't even close to Bledsoe right now.

~The Answer

[big dog cowboy]

Torry Holt, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, THEN Owens and Santana Moss so I rank him tied for 7th.
There are always several factors to consider so ranking players is always subjective. But to say TO is not one of the top 5 WR's in the league is going to be a tough sell.

[Vintage]

What is will all the Palmer love? It's almost as bad as the lust for Peyton Manning.....

Palmer is a great young QB, but he only had one good season. And just like Manning, he has plenty of toys to play with. The Answer wants to see how he responds this season after coming off a serious injury and what he can do in the playoffs if he makes it there and is healthy.

It's ludicrous to say that Bledsoe isn't close to Palmer...if anything Palmer isn't even close to Bledsoe right now.

~The Answer

Huh?

Palmer had one of the best seasons of any QB last year.

Bledsoe didn't.

Its really that simple.

[The Answer]

Huh?

Palmer had one of the best seasons of any QB last year.

Bledsoe didn't.

Its really that simple.

Palmer has only put up good numbers for a year and a half.....and his career is still in question given the injury he suffered in the playoffs.

Bledsoe has been doing it for 13 years now...and is ready to really turn things up with the addition of TO.

It's really that simple.

~The Answer

[Vintage]

Palmer has only put up good numbers for a year and a half.....and his career is still in question given the injury he suffered in the playoffs.

Bledsoe has been doing it for 13 years now...and is ready to really turn things up with the addition of TO.

It's really that simple.

~The Answer

Palmer's only been doing it for 1.5 years because he's only been a starter for 2 years.

Injury aside, Palmer is the better QB.

Bledsoe's best year was in '97. And he paled in comparison to what Palmer did last season.

[Cowchips]

You are correct sir.

Robo-QB has been shredding defenses since his days at Washington State. And The Answer is thrilled that Bledsoe finally has a true weapon to exploit for the first time in his illustrious 14 year NFL career.

No NFL passing record is safe this season!

~The Answer

Actually when he had Glenn and Jefferson, he did pretty well. If not for Randy White, the Pats would have won it all that year and we'd all be talking about Bledsoe instead of Brett Favre being HOF bound.

[Hostile]

Frankly, I don't want to look at anything of Garcia's and get excited.:cool:His girlfriend (ex?) couldn't get you excited? AF, they need to make sure you have a pulse. Someone hold a mirror under AFs nose.

[Cowchips]

If TO cooperates and the line is a bit better than last year, there won't be any debate about who the better QB is between Palmer and Bledsoe. You can bank on that. Palmer has a huge age advantage, obviously but that would be about it.

[The Answer]

Palmer's only been doing it for 1.5 years because he's only been a starter for 2 years.

Injury aside, Palmer is the better QB.

Bledsoe's best year was in '97. And he paled in comparison to what Palmer did last season.

Bledsoe has been putting up big numbers his entire career with average to subpar offensive talent around him, even worse he's had no real semblance of an offensive line.

Guys like Manning and Palmer have had top offensive lines blocking for them, as well as a pletheura of great WR's, TE's and RB's around them....

Palmer passed for 3836 yards last season....less than 200 more than Bledsoe.
He had 32 TD's, but again look at the studs he has catching the football....The Answer isn't that impressed by Palmer and he's not even among the top 5 QB's in the game right now.

~The Answer

[The Answer]

Actually when he had Glenn and Jefferson, he did pretty well. If not for Randy White, the Pats would have won it all that year and we'd all be talking about Bledsoe instead of Brett Favre being HOF bound.

Yes when Bledsoe had Glenn, Jefferson, Coates and a young Curtis Martin they were a very formidable offensive unit. In fact the Pats were ranked as the 16th overall defense that season, proving that Bledsoe's arm got them there in the first place.

If it wasn't for the Pats lousy special teams giving up two TD's to Desmond Howard than they would have won that superbowl. Don't forget....Bledsoe led the Pats to two early TD passes and was looking near flawless until Howard broke the game open and forced the Pats to play from behind the entire second half.

~The Answer

[Vintage]

Bledsoe has been putting up big numbers his entire career with average to subpar offensive talent around him, even worse he's had no real semblance of an offensive line.

Guys like Manning and Palmer have had top offensive lines blocking for them, as well as a pletheura of great WR's, TE's and RB's around them....

Palmer passed for 3836 yards last season....less than 200 more than Bledsoe.
He had 32 TD's, but again look at the studs he has catching the football....The Answer isn't that impressed by Palmer and he's not even among the top 5 QB's in the game right now.

~The Answer
But Bledsoe is?

[Hostile]

But Bledsoe is?Facts don't feed trolls. The can't open the shell.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Game Changing WR are:

1. Randy Moss(but he takes plays off and has no heart so this #1 is deceiving and you could easily put TO here)
2. Terrell Owens
3. Santana Moss

in that order...

those others are just great WR's NOT game changers IMO

You can't leave off Steve Smith's name on that list buddy, come one the guy is feared by DB's across the NFL...

[dbair1967]

What is will all the Palmer love? It's almost as bad as the lust for Peyton Manning.....

Palmer is a great young QB, but he only had one good season. And just like Manning, he has plenty of toys to play with. The Answer wants to see how he responds this season after coming off a serious injury and what he can do in the playoffs if he makes it there and is healthy.

It's ludicrous to say that Bledsoe isn't close to Palmer...if anything Palmer isn't even close to Bledsoe right now.

~The Answer

:rolleyes:

all 32 league GM/personnel leaders would take Carson Palmer over Drew Bledsoe...I'd venture to guess if they knew Palmer was 100% they'd all take take him as the player they'd start a franchise with as well

if his knee is sound, he is easily the best pure passer in the NFL...I'd take him over any NFL starter as well...he has a great future ahead of him

David

[jterrell]

I'd say this is overstated but the point itself is not lost on me.

Bledsoe is a strong-armed., accurate guy and it will be interesting to see how he fares with T.O who has never had a QB with near that type of arm strength and accuracy combined.

Who I think T.O. helps the most is the O.L.

How many times did teams blitz and watch T.O. do crazy end zone routines the past few years?

[jterrell]

:rolleyes:

all 32 league GM/personnel leaders would take Carson Palmer over Drew Bledsoe...I'd venture to guess if they knew Palmer was 100% they'd all take take him as the player they'd start a franchise with as well

if his knee is sound, he is easily the best pure passer in the NFL...I'd take him over any NFL starter as well...he has a great future ahead of him

David
If Palmer is healthy he is a top 5 player in a free for all draft. Only questions is do you take a QB first, not which QB.

If Palmer hadn't gotten injured I believe they win the Super Bowl last season and everyone has Brady then Palmer as their top 2.

I will agree that he has a good OL and a lot of weapons but they don't throw the passes for him. He's the prototype.

Knee injuries are scary though, hope the guy is fine he is my fantasy QB:).

[DWelch1775]

If your not excited about watching Drew hook up with TO this year, then there's something wrong with you.

[Austin28]

Same could be said for Bledsoe!

Both of you need to pipe it down a little. lol Quarterback's performances vary from year to year based on several different factors like supporting cast, health, injuries, opposition etc.

This tit for tat business is for the birds. When the season starts, I can assure you that we're going to be beating the E-girls down; so when that happens, Bledsoe will prevail the better QB.

Get Some!

[Austin28]

If your not excited about watching Drew hook up with TO this year, then there's something wrong with you.

I pretty much agree with this cloud of methane gas; except I'd add in Glenn, Witten and Fasano.

[thewivil]

No one argues that Drew Bledsoe has the best, most accurate arm in football (robo-quarterback was his nickname in college).

I'm sure plenty of people will argue that.

[Phoenix-Talon]

OK since people brought it up

McNabb (err McChoke)
Currently has a Career Completion % of 58.4%

Bledsoe has a Career Completion % of 57.3%


TD's to Int we will look at ratio do to years in league gap

Bledose has 244 Td to 198 int Bledose has a 1.23 TD to Int Ratio

McNabb has 134TD to 66 int McNabb on the other hand has 2.03 TD to int Ratio

YPA

Bledsoe a 6.64 career average

MCNabb a 6.60 career average (He plays in a dink and dunk offense to now that is sad)

OK so how is Bledsoe so much better than McNabb ?:confused:


What took you so long? I knew there was a stats guy here ...somewhere.:cool:

[THUMPER]

There are always several factors to consider so ranking players is always subjective. But to say TO is not one of the top 5 WR's in the league is going to be a tough sell.

Over the course of his career, Owens has dropped a LOT of passes and has disappeared in games unlike the guys I listed ahead of him.

I don't see him as a deep threat but only a guy who can take a short pass and break it into a long run. To me he is more of a glorified RB than a true WR. He is probably the best in the game after the catch but IMO he doesn't really rate with the best WRs when it comes to route running and catching the ball.

Everyone has their own opinions based on what is important to them and how they view things. To me YAC is not as important in a WR as actually catching the ball but that's just me and each of the guys I listed ahead or Owens has excellent YAC, they are just more consistent in catching the ball and being where they are supposed to be on their routes.

[jterrell]

Over the course of his career, Owens has dropped a LOT of passes and has disappeared in games unlike the guys I listed ahead of him.

I don't see him as a deep threat but only a guy who can take a short pass and break it into a long run. To me he is more of a glorified RB than a true WR. He is probably the best in the game after the catch but IMO he doesn't really rate with the best WRs when it comes to route running and catching the ball.

Everyone has their own opinions based on what is important to them and how they view things. To me YAC is not as important in a WR as actually catching the ball but that's just me and each of the guys I listed ahead or Owens has excellent YAC, they are just more consistent in catching the ball and being where they are supposed to be on their routes.
You mean like Jerry Rice?
Its the offense not the players.

T.O. can drop a pass on you but so do all WRs. He goes deep with plenty of success when thats the play call. He's very tough to defend period. He might not be top 5 if you factor in attitude but skillwise he is top 3 and in dificulty to cover he's right there with Moss who is no where near as physical or runs nearly the same inside routes.

[THUMPER]

You mean like Jerry Rice?
Its the offense not the players.

T.O. can drop a pass on you but so do all WRs. He goes deep with plenty of success when thats the play call. He's very tough to defend period. He might not be top 5 if you factor in attitude but skillwise he is top 3 and in dificulty to cover he's right there with Moss who is no where near as physical or runs nearly the same inside routes.

Yes, all receivers do drop passes but not all at the rate that Owens does.

A case in point is that last year in 7 games he had 5 dropped passes. Terry Glenn also dropped 5 passes but that was over 16 games.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

I no longer have access to the stats from previous years but every year I compare players and Owens has been routinely near the top in number and percentage of dropped passes.

He simply drops more passes than the other top WRs which drops him in my ratings.

As for Rice, this will come a shock to some here but I don't consider him the best WR ever to play. Paul Warfield is the best WR I ever saw but he didn't play as long or have as many passes thrown to him as Rice. If he had it would be no contest, he would blow Rice's numbers out of the water.

That is not to say that Rice isn't a great player, one of the greatest of all-time, but I don't rank him as the best WR ever.

[Vintage]

Owens was at the top of the list for dropped ball percentage this past year.

[Vintage]

Owens ranked 18th worst in the league, IIRC, in dropped pass percentage.

He had 9 drops, for 10.2%



Witten ranked 4th best in the league, with 4 dropped passes, at 4.5%.

http://mb14.scout.com/feaglesfansfrm1.showMessage?topicID=6164.topic

[Cowchips]

Yes, all receivers do drop passes but not all at the rate that Owens does.

A case in point is that last year in 7 games he had 5 dropped passes. Terry Glenn also dropped 5 passes but that was over 16 games.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

I no longer have access to the stats from previous years but every year I compare players and Owens has been routinely near the top in number and percentage of dropped passes.

He simply drops more passes than the other top WRs which drops him in my ratings.

As for Rice, this will come a shock to some here but I don't consider him the best WR ever to play. Paul Warfield is the best WR I ever saw but he didn't play as long or have as many passes thrown to him as Rice. If he had it would be no contest, he would blow Rice's numbers out of the water.

That is not to say that Rice isn't a great player, one of the greatest of all-time, but I don't rank him as the best WR ever.

Of course, last season Owens was dealing with a gimpy QB and still was on pace to catch 107 passes (47 through 7 games). I'll take 11 drops and 107 catches over 5 drops and 62 catches any day :) Owens also finds himself in more difficult positions than most receivers with double and sometimes triple coverage on plays.

[Bob Sacamano]

He's thrown His share of picks; but I'd still say He's more accurate than Tony Romo or Drew Henson.

he better be

[Cowchips]

Owens ranked 18th worst in the league, IIRC, in dropped pass percentage.

He had 9 drops, for 10.2%



Witten ranked 4th best in the league, with 4 dropped passes, at 4.5%.

http://mb14.scout.com/feaglesfansfrm1.showMessage?topicID=6164.topic

All this proves is that Owens gets to more balls that are borderline catchable than Witten.

[superpunk]

All this proves is that Owens gets to more balls that are borderline catchable than Witten.

Actually, it proves that Owens drops his fair share. Don't kid yourself - he does. He's still a great player, but that's a flaw in his game. Might have something to do with him looking upfield too soon for YAC.

[Jarv]

Yes, all receivers do drop passes but not all at the rate that Owens does.

A case in point is that last year in 7 games he had 5 dropped passes. Terry Glenn also dropped 5 passes but that was over 16 games.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

I no longer have access to the stats from previous years but every year I compare players and Owens has been routinely near the top in number and percentage of dropped passes.

He simply drops more passes than the other top WRs which drops him in my ratings.

As for Rice, this will come a shock to some here but I don't consider him the best WR ever to play. Paul Warfield is the best WR I ever saw but he didn't play as long or have as many passes thrown to him as Rice. If he had it would be no contest, he would blow Rice's numbers out of the water.

That is not to say that Rice isn't a great player, one of the greatest of all-time, but I don't rank him as the best WR ever.

Didn't Paul leave (with Jim Kick and Merc Morris) for the World leauge or something like that ? he was a GREAT reciever on a running team at the time (Czonka, Jim Kick and Mercury Morris). Plus Bob Greise didn't have the strongest of arms.

Can you imagine Paul Warfield playing in San Diego during the 70's.

[THUMPER]

Didn't Paul leave (with Jim Kick and Merc Morris) for the World leauge or something like that ? he was a GREAT reciever on a running team at the time (Czonka, Jim Kick and Mercury Morris). Plus Bob Greise didn't have the strongest of arms.

Can you imagine Paul Warfield playing in San Diego during the 70's.

Warfield was in his prime when he was with the Browns prior to his stint with the Dolphins. His average yards per catch and TD % are incredible! He was the ultimate big play WR and was consistently at the top for several years.

Compare his numbers with Rice's:

PW - Avg per catch = 20.1, TD% = 19.9
JR - AVG per catch = 14.8, TD% = 12.7

In other words if you extrapolated Warfield's averages by Rices receptions he would have had: 31135 yards and 308 TDs (Rice had 22895 yards & 197 TDs on 1549 receptions).

I realize that it doesn't work that way but it is still amazing to think about it.

[Alexander]

Actually, it proves that Owens drops his fair share. Don't kid yourself - he does. He's still a great player, but that's a flaw in his game. Might have something to do with him looking upfield too soon for YAC.

That's exactly what it is IMO.

[ravidubey]

Yes, all receivers do drop passes but not all at the rate that Owens does.

A case in point is that last year in 7 games he had 5 dropped passes. Terry Glenn also dropped 5 passes but that was over 16 games.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

I no longer have access to the stats from previous years but every year I compare players and Owens has been routinely near the top in number and percentage of dropped passes.

He simply drops more passes than the other top WRs which drops him in my ratings.

As for Rice, this will come a shock to some here but I don't consider him the best WR ever to play. Paul Warfield is the best WR I ever saw but he didn't play as long or have as many passes thrown to him as Rice. If he had it would be no contest, he would blow Rice's numbers out of the water.

That is not to say that Rice isn't a great player, one of the greatest of all-time, but I don't rank him as the best WR ever.

A lot of things cause drops. Bad hands, catching passes in traffic, QB accuracy. I know TO gets more looks in traffic than most other WR's. He still drops more than his share.

[Cowchips]

Might have something to do with him looking upfield too soon for YAC.

But considering he usually gets his share of touchdowns when he does turn upfield and steam rolls the defenses, we'll forgive him :)

[Bob Sacamano]

McNabb did most of that without a true #1 WR too...

and with 10-14 seconds to throw the football

[Bob Sacamano]

Bledsoe's best year was in '97. And he paled in comparison to what Palmer did last season.

it was in '95

[Vintage]

it was in '95

50.8% completion rate
3507 yards
13 TD's
16 INT's
63.7 rating

That's his best season?

[Vintage]

and with 10-14 seconds to throw the football

He did that on every play for his entire career?

Huh.

Pretty cool.

Didn't realize he got that much time to throw since his rookie year until now on every play.

[Jarv]

50.8% completion rate
3507 yards
13 TD's
16 INT's
63.7 rating

That's his best season?

A whole season with a td/int ratio and completion percentage like that ?

Henson got yanked within 1/2 game with stats like that.

[Vintage]

A whole season with a td/int ratio and completion percentage like that ?

Henson got yanked within 1/2 game with stats like that.

Per nfl.com.

[Jarv]

Per nfl.com.

Surprised he didn't bring Vinny because he didn't want to lose Bledsoe.

[The Answer]

I'd say this is overstated but the point itself is not lost on me.

Bledsoe is a strong-armed., accurate guy and it will be interesting to see how he fares with T.O who has never had a QB with near that type of arm strength and accuracy combined.

Who I think T.O. helps the most is the O.L.

How many times did teams blitz and watch T.O. do crazy end zone routines the past few years?

TO will help the offensive line and this is what most people are overlooking the most. TO is a 'gamebreaker' for a reason, and he is the type of player that demands attention and can offset otherwise 'shaky' oline play.

It's no secret that defensive coordinators have relied on bullrushing Bledsoe up the middle over the years due to his 'statuesque' play in the pocket. We saw this against better defensive teams like Seattle and Washington last year. But now with a guy like TO, Bledsoe will be able to unload the ball in the hot route when the blitz is coming and TO is dangerous enough to take a 5 yard slant and turn it into a 70 yard TD.

Also look at the Panthers game, they have one of the best front sevens (if not the best) in the NFL and we made them pay for overcommiting in the running game when JJ had his annual big game for 200 yards against them.

Defensive coordinators will definitely have to rethink their gameplan against Bledsoe in 2006, because he now has more than enough weapons to make them pay!

~The Answer

[The Answer]

Owens was at the top of the list for dropped ball percentage this past year.

This is because he didn't have a QB named Drew Bledsoe throwing the ball to him in 2005.

~The Answer

[KD]

Agreed, Mcnabb is far from accurate.

[PacoReloaded]

yeah me too...I like Bledsoe, I was pretty pleased with how he played last yr (especially when compared to the clowns we've had at QB since Aikman retired)

strongest AND most accurate arm clearly would be Carson Palmer right now IMO, and isnt isnt close IMO either

Bledsoe is probably in the mix when you factor in strongest AND most accurate (not one or the other but combined) but he isnt close to Palmer

DavidI totally agree.

One things for certain though.. Bledsoe is far more accurate than McFlabb though.

[PacoReloaded]

Owens ranked 18th worst in the league, IIRC, in dropped pass percentage.

He had 9 drops, for 10.2%



Witten ranked 4th best in the league, with 4 dropped passes, at 4.5%.

http://mb14.scout.com/feaglesfansfrm1.showMessage?topicID=6164.topicOwen s may have had his fair share of drops through his career but when he catches it boy is it sure exciting to watch.

[Bob Sacamano]

50.8% completion rate
3507 yards
13 TD's
16 INT's
63.7 rating

That's his best season?

I meant '94 sorry, IMO anyways