How many players do you think use GH in the NFL?

[KD]

percentage wise do you think use GH in the NFL? I would think with all the money involved and pressure to play it must be pretty high.

I would think to 25-35 percent. Do you think that's a little high?

[JackMagist]

It would be hard to say. The NFL has had steroid testing much longer than that other so called sport we hear so much about now (not long enough to have caught the '70's Stealers but that is another subject). And the fact that the testing has been around might have gotten the players away from that mindset a bit more than some sports that are just now implementing the testing. Still with GH being almost undetectable I would be very surprised if it were not somewhat prevalent in the NFL. I would guess that your estimate is about right 30% +/-

My guess is that it is most wide spread in two groups of players; those on the bottom of the roster looking for any edge they can get and those overly egotistical superstars who are desperate to make the HoF. Look for star players whose physical conditioning far exceeds the norm for their position. My guess is that you will find many of your users in that group (that WR who was drafted high by 'Zona and has bounced around the league and is muscled like a bodybuilder would be a good guess). But really these are ONLY guesses.

[2much2soon]

Look for star players whose physical conditioning far exceeds the norm for their position.

David Boston is the one you are referring to explicitly.
I don't know about others that meet your criteria.
How about the statuesqe WR who often wears tights? He's pretty cut for a WR...
I have never suspected him but he is a bit over the top, physically speaking, for a WR.

[JackMagist]

David Boston is the one you are referring to explicitly.
I don't know about others that meet your criteria.
How about the statuesqe WR who often wears tights? He's pretty cut for a WR...
I have never suspected him but he is a bit over the top, physically speaking, for a WR.My goodness...I never would have suggested that. :p:

(But an image of his ripped biceps did flash across my minds eye when I was typing that.)

[MONT17]

who cares its football!!!

the other spots are trying to preserve records/stats froma an era that GAMBLERS owned... I wish them luck with all that!!! All people would say in the late 90s was that the other sports were so great... thanks to the success of the NFL, the NBA had like 5 new Jordans and the MLB had the "Juiced" Ball... now people wanna cry foul!!!

leave that in those other spots!!!


if football players do HGH and it makes the NFL BETTER I am ALL FOR IT!!!

[VirusX]

percentage wise do you think use GH in the NFL? I would think with all the money involved and pressure to play it must be pretty high.

I would think to 25-35 percent. Do you think that's a little high?

Well thats kind of a trick question. Everyone uses GH, but not everyone suppliments HGH.

[2much2soon]

My goodness...I never would have suggested that. :p:

(But an image of his ripped biceps did flash across my minds eye when I was typing that.)

Yeah, me neither. But in the context of your original post he does fit, doesn't he?

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think the number is rediculously high. I think that every team has a very healthy number of players who do it. I think the drug testing is for the public only. I think that if you want to mask, it's pretty easy to do. The testing curve is always going to be significantly behind the development curve. The companies who develop state of the art suppliments have teams of scientist working on new products designed to circumvent testing. I'd almost guarnatee that the NFL does not spend the kind of money it takes to keep top talent on staff (scientists) specifically for the purpose of testing and finding these latest and greatest designer drugs. It's a song and dance designed to appease the public IMO. The money it would cost to really stay ahead of the curve is considerable. Testing is not revenue producing. It only detracts from the product. It doesn't return investment. I don't see the business side of the NFL doing all it would take to prevent suppliments being actively used in the NFL.

That is my opinion on the subject.

[dmq]

I would say 80%. Plus various steroids used that either can't be detected or have a masking agent. Lets not kid ourselves.

[StoneyBurk]

Larry Allen used something , a human cannot bench 700 lbs without drugs. If you don't believe me ask any power lifter

[ZeroClub]

I get concerned when I hear Mickey Spagnola talking about various players "looking like a different person" after an offseason.

I'd like to think that each and every of these guys made a drug-free transformation, but that may be naive ....

Larry Allen used something , a human cannot bench 700 lbs without drugs. :) Actually, Larry Allen couldn't truly bench what he's reported to have benched.

He doesn't use regulation form [e.g., holding the bar to his chest and then pushing up (rather than bouncing the bar), keeping back flat, etc.). He's a remarkably strong human, but his numbers are exaggerated because of the various cheats he employs.

(Not that I would say this to his face).

[Eddie]

if football players do HGH and it makes the NFL BETTER I am ALL FOR IT!!!


ha ha. I totally agree.

I think 100% of the NFL uses hGH. I'm not talking about the peptide stuff from GNC either. I also think almost all use some sort of anabolic substance ... whether they even know what it is or not.

[BAZ]

ha ha. I totally agree.

I think 100% of the NFL uses hGH. I'm not talking about the peptide stuff from GNC either. I also think almost all use some sort of anabolic substance ... whether they even know what it is or not.

Including kicker's, punter's and QB's?

[dmq]

Including kicker's, punter's and QB's?

Them too. Remember in the MLB, how they said pitchers were at a disadvantage. Well, looks like they were using them too. I wouldn't hesitate to say that I think Roger Clemens does them too.

[BAZ]

Them too. Remember in the MLB, how they said pitchers were at a disadvantage. Well, looks like they were using them too. I wouldn't hesitate to say that I think Roger Clemens does them too.

I find it hard to believe 100% is on them and a bigger deal isn't being made out of it. If it was that high then a lot more people would be dieing and a lot more press would be given to it.

Awesome sig by the way.

[Eddie]

I find it hard to believe 100% is on them and a bigger deal isn't being made out of it. If it was that high then a lot more people would be dieing and a lot more press would be given to it.




Not sure why you would think more people would be dying.

hGH and anabolic steroids are pharmaceutical medicines. They have uses in medicine. It's like asking why more people aren't dying of antibiotics.

Anabolic compounds have their side effects, but it's the media which paints a massively misguided picture about the evils of steroids. They find the single guy who grossly misused steroids ... and say, "See, look at this guy. Steroids did this to him!!!".

hGH and other anabolics are administered by physicians and under a physician's care. Do you really think NFL teams would allow players to buy juice from backroom gyms and inject themselves??? This is all taken care of by the organization.

I bet most NFL players don't even know what's being injected into them. They go for a rub down, physician checks his log, then pops the syringe into the player's butt. 2 seconds later. All done. Next.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not sure why you would think more people would be dying.

hGH and anabolic steroids are pharmaceutical medicines. They have uses in medicine. It's like asking why more people aren't dying of antibiotics.

Anabolic compounds have their side effects, but it's the media which paints a massively misguided picture about the evils of steroids. They find the single guy who grossly misused steroids ... and say, "See, look at this guy. Steroids did this to him!!!".

hGH and other anabolics are administered by physicians and under a physician's care. Do you really think NFL teams would allow players to buy juice from backroom gyms and inject themselves??? This is all taken care of by the organization.

I bet most NFL players don't even know what's being injected into them. They go for a rub down, physician checks his log, then pops the syringe into the player's butt. 2 seconds later. All done. Next.


I think they would be stupid to do business in this manner. All liability would fall on the owners and the NFL if this were the case. No way, no chance, under no circumstances would this be the way it is done IMO. If this were true, the NFL would now be called the Lyle Alzado League. Just don't see it.

I would also question your views on the risks of taking such drugs. To often, the side effects are diagnosed as other things. Heart conditions or complications etc. Guys drop dead in the NFL. They also die young. You push your body in ways it was never designed to work and you will burn it out. That's just how it works.

[BAZ]

Not sure why you would think more people would be dying.

hGH and anabolic steroids are pharmaceutical medicines. They have uses in medicine. It's like asking why more people aren't dying of antibiotics.

Anabolic compounds have their side effects, but it's the media which paints a massively misguided picture about the evils of steroids. They find the single guy who grossly misused steroids ... and say, "See, look at this guy. Steroids did this to him!!!".

hGH and other anabolics are administered by physicians and under a physician's care. Do you really think NFL teams would allow players to buy juice from backroom gyms and inject themselves??? This is all taken care of by the organization.

I bet most NFL players don't even know what's being injected into them. They go for a rub down, physician checks his log, then pops the syringe into the player's butt. 2 seconds later. All done. Next.

But use can lead to abuse and players injecting themselves. If they can see an improvement why not try for more and gain an advantage? If they are being used so freely and the players can get away with it why not inject more and secure thier place on the team?

[DWelch1775]

I'm so tired of hearing about roids. I think anyone caught with them should be suspened the rest of the year, for the first offense, and terminated for the second.

[Yeagermeister]

It's not the use of steroids that causes people die it's the abuse of it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's not the use of steroids that causes people die it's the abuse of it.

This is true. Further more, because of the money involved, it will never be removed from sports. It will always exist, even with a no tolerance policy. If you can get away with it for a season or three without getting caught, that's still more then an average Joe will make in 10 to 15 years. The guys who are in it for the long haul, the guys with superior talent, might not risk it but the boarderline guy will always take that chance.

Sucks but that is the way it is.

[Hostile]

It doesn't matter what percentage I think use HGH because I have know way of actually knowing if I am right on the money, close, or way off the mark.

[Eddie]

It's not the use of steroids that causes people die it's the abuse of it.


I totally agree. Alcohol, cigarettes, and the simple act of driving kill ALOT more people than steroids.

Tylenol is highly liver toxic. Does that mean we shouldn't take it? Abuse will lead to sever liver ciriosis.


If this were true, the NFL would now be called the Lyle Alzado League. Just don't see it.


BTW ... Lyle Alzado didn't die of steroid abuse, he died of a brain aneurism. Steroids has nothing to do with brain cancer.

As mentioned before, the use and administration of anabolic steroids in the NFL is under the supervision of physicians. All safety procautions are taken as well as med's to combat many of the sides, such as gynoclami-something (b*tch t*ts) and bacne.

... finally, NO, use of Testosterone does NOT shrink your nuts. Abuse of it will.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I totally agree. Alcohol, cigarettes, and the simple act of driving kill ALOT more people than steroids.

Tylenol is highly liver toxic. Does that mean we shouldn't take it? Abuse will lead to sever liver ciriosis.





BTW ... Lyle Alzado didn't die of steroid abuse, he died of a brain aneurism. Steroids has nothing to do with brain cancer.

As mentioned before, the use and administration of anabolic steroids in the NFL is under the supervision of physicians. All safety procautions are taken as well as med's to combat many of the sides, such as gynoclami-something (b*tch t*ts) and bacne.

... finally, NO, use of Testosterone does NOT shrink your nuts. Abuse of it will.


Sure Eddie. Steroids didn't kill Alzado and teams administer illegal substances to players on a regular basis.

OK then......

[Mash]

Its bigger than all of us.....

What we know is what we get thru the media and sorts....

Gambling...drugs....fixed games....

Its too hard to control....I hope everyone plays on a even field....but I would be too naive to think it didnt exist...

[blindzebra]

I totally agree. Alcohol, cigarettes, and the simple act of driving kill ALOT more people than steroids.

Tylenol is highly liver toxic. Does that mean we shouldn't take it? Abuse will lead to sever liver ciriosis.





BTW ... Lyle Alzado didn't die of steroid abuse, he died of a brain aneurism. Steroids has nothing to do with brain cancer.

As mentioned before, the use and administration of anabolic steroids in the NFL is under the supervision of physicians. All safety procautions are taken as well as med's to combat many of the sides, such as gynoclami-something (b*tch t*ts) and bacne.

... finally, NO, use of Testosterone does NOT shrink your nuts. Abuse of it will.

Utter nonsense.

Okay, for a moment let us assume your stance is correct, that the league sanctions the use of these products and administers them...I don't buy it for a minute, but anyway.

Every player gets them to get bigger, faster, stronger, heal and recover quicker all under the team's supervision.

Okay, now you have the star player in his contract year, hoping for a payday and they think well if the team is giving it to me how bad can it be, so they dabble some on their own just for that extra edge.

The fringe player hanging on, who knows every other player is getting it too...you don't think they'll abuse it from other sources with a job on the line?

Now for the league, you honestly think a league that constantly makes rule and equipment changes every year to protect the product is willingly going to create bigger, faster and stronger players that at some point will cause collisions of a LETHAL NATURE.

At some point players would be too big, too fast, and capable of hits so severe players would DIE.

It's ridiculous.

[5Stars]

BTW ... Lyle Alzado didn't die of steroid abuse, he died of a brain aneurism. Steroids has nothing to do with brain cancer.

That is a crock of @$#@ if I ever heard of one! Lyle Alzado ADMITTED that taking steroids was the cause of his demise, and his eventual death! He even came out before his death to denounce the use of steriods...

Eddie, you can come up with some of the most non-sensical stuff that I have ever read...:rolleyes:

[TwoSteppinJJ]

40% Of the league probably

[koolaid]

i wouldnt be suprised if 90% or more of the league or more uses steroids, there is sooo much upside to using them that i find the possibility of players not using them a little crazy.
i mean, u get a longer career, a higher paid career, quicker recoveries, and the low possibilty of ever getting caught with masking agents and everything they have today, makes it kinda hard to resist

[Bob Sacamano]

everyone is using DH in the NFL

hey, my guess is as good as your's ;)