ESPN rankings of QB's and RB's

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ESPN says that our RB's are worse than QB's

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Ultimate Depth Chart
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Over the course of the week SportsCenter has been ranking all 32 teams in key categories -- QBs, RBs, pass catchers, rushing defense and passing defense. Each ultimate depth chart was put together by ESPN experts Mike Golic, Mark Schlereth, Sean Salisbury and Trey Wingo.
In addition to their expert analysis, we also asked SportsNation to rank the teams in each key category.

SportsCenter has already ranked the teams from top to bottom at QB and RB, with pass catchers (Tuesday), rushing defense (Wednesday) and passing defense (Thursday) coming over the next three days.

SportsNation rankings: QBs | RBs | Pass Catchers | Pass Defenses | Run Defenses

SportsCenter's Ultimate Depth Chart
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QB'S RB'S

1. Patriots Chargers

2. Colts Chiefs

3. Seahawks Seahawks

4. Panthers Falcons

5. Chiefs Giants

6. Eagles Redskins

7. Falcons Bengals

8. Bengals Saints

9. Steelers Panthers

10. Broncos Bucs

11. Rams Steelers

12. Dolphins Ravens

13. Ravens Broncos

14. Redskins Patriots

15. Packers Dolphins

16. Giants Vikings

17. Jaguars Bears

18. Saints Cardinals

19. Cowboys Rams

20. Vikings Cowboys

21. Bucs Bills

22. Cardinals Texans

23. Bears Jets

24. Lions Browns

25. Texans Jaguars

26. Jets Colts

27. Titans Titans

28. Raiders Raiders

29. Bills Lions

30. Chargers Packers

31. 49ers Eagles

32. Browns 49ers

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I don't mind being dissed, but this is ridiculous!!

[CrazyCowboy]

Oh well, everyone has their opinion.

[dstew60105]

Oh well, everyone has their opinion.

What's even worse was the WR's Had Dallas 5th, but the Foreskins were 3rd????????????? Am I the only one not impressed with Randel El and Lloyd? Owens, Glenn , Whitten ,Fasano and Clayton are a lot better them Moss, Randel El, Cooley, Lloyd and Patten. What a joke.

[MossBurner]

What's even worse was the WR's Had Dallas 5th, but the Foreskins were 3rd????????????? Am I the only one not impressed with Randel El and Lloyd? Owens, Glenn , Whitten ,Fasano and Clayton are a lot better them Moss, Randel El, Cooley, Lloyd and Patten. What a joke.

This is the only place in America where a majority of people think that the Cowboys WR (1-4) are better than the Redskins WR (1-4).

Anyway, 3rd in the league vs 5th in the league...what's the big deal?

[burmafrd]

Actually anyone with a BRAIN knows that Owens is better then Moss, GLenn is better then anyone the SKins have at #2, and that WItten is better then Cooley.

[MossBurner]

Actually anyone with a BRAIN knows that Owens is better then Moss, GLenn is better then anyone the SKins have at #2, and that WItten is better then Cooley.

Owens is a better overall receiver than Santana, but Santana's numbers last season were superior to any of TO's numbers from the last 4 seasons. TO's last great season was 2001 with the 49ers.

(In your mind) Glenn (32) is better than Lloyd (25), but 31/32 NFL GMs would rather have Lloyd as their number 2 receiver.

Perhaps age, versatility, speed, depth, and potential went into ESPN's decisions.

[SultanOfSix]

This is the only place in America where a majority of people think that the Cowboys WR (1-4) are better than the Redskins WR (1-4).


Really? You know every place in America?

[burmafrd]

Moss did it for one year- TO has been doing it for years- so your arguement fails there. Glenn has shown more then Lloyd has- so your arguement fails there. Any more?

[dstew60105]

Moss did it for one year- TO has been doing it for years- so your arguement fails there. Glenn has shown more then Lloyd has- so your arguement fails there. Any more?

Hard to even talk to a typical Redskin fan. Logic and facts go out the window. 31/32 NFL GM's would rather have Lloyd then Glenn? He knows this for a fact? Well 31/32 GM's would rather have Owens, Glenn, Whitten and Clayton then Moss, Lloyd, Randel El and Cooley. Gee that was easy. Gotta love that Redskin logic.

[burmafrd]

well put dstew.

[DragonCowboy]

Actually, ESPN gave us a worse ranking than the Redskins on EVERYTHING.

According to ESPN:

Brunell >> Bledsoe
Portis >> JJ and MB3
Moss + Lloyd + Cooley > Owens + Glenn + Witten
Redskins Pass D >> Cowboys Pass D
Redskins Run D >> Cowboys Run D

Talk about really, really one sided...So you're telling me that the Redskins are better than us at EVERYTHING? Hardly..

[Gamebreaker]

Moss did it for one year- TO has been doing it for years- so your arguement fails there. Glenn has shown more then Lloyd has- so your arguement fails there. Any more?

You need to stop stating this fallacy. Moss had 1100 yards and 10 TD's in 2003. If that is not a good season than you must not think very highly of Terry Glenn.

[Doomsday101]

Actually, ESPN gave us a worse ranking than the Redskins on EVERYTHING.

According to ESPN:

Brunell >> Bledsoe
Portis >> JJ and MB3
Moss + Lloyd + Cooley > Owens + Glenn + Witten
Redskins Pass D >> Cowboys Pass D
Redskins Run D >> Cowboys Run D

Talk about really, really one sided...So you're telling me that the Redskins are better than us at EVERYTHING? Hardly..

To the victor goes the spoils. Skins beat us both times last season so it is to be expected that some will rate them as the better team. It is up to the Cowboys to go out there and prove people wrong.

[Vintage]

(In your mind) Glenn (32) is better than Lloyd (25), but 31/32 NFL GMs would rather have Lloyd as their number 2 receiver.



Link?

And secondly....who they'd rather have has nothing to do with level of production. In this case, you are factoring in age.... Of course, GMs would rather have someone younger....doesn't mean Lloyd is better.

[SultanOfSix]

To the victor goes the spoils. Skins beat us both times last season so it is to be expected that some will rate them as the better team. It is up to the Cowboys to go out there and prove people wrong.

Another fallacious argument. We beat many teams the only time we played them. Does that mean we have better parts than they do in all facets of the game?

[Vintage]

Actually, ESPN gave us a worse ranking than the Redskins on EVERYTHING.

According to ESPN:

Brunell >> Bledsoe
Portis >> JJ and MB3
Moss + Lloyd + Cooley > Owens + Glenn + Witten
Redskins Pass D >> Cowboys Pass D
Redskins Run D >> Cowboys Run D

Talk about really, really one sided...So you're telling me that the Redskins are better than us at EVERYTHING? Hardly..

Well, Brunell outplayed Bledsoe....their RBs are better....WR is debateable, and their defense was a little bit better than ours.

Its not really that surprising.

[dargonking999]

To the victor goes the spoils. Skins beat us both times last season so it is to be expected that some will rate them as the better team. It is up to the Cowboys to go out there and prove people wrong.

oh really, well in same situtaiuoni we beat the eagles twice last year, does that mean we're better thna them in every regard?

not according to ESPN

[dargonking999]

Well, Brunell outplayed Bledsoe....their RBs are better....WR is debateable, and their defense was a little bit better than ours.

Its not really that surprising.

bledsoe out played Mcnabb.. our RB's are better... our WR are better... and our defense was better than there's

but again they sitll rank phili higher thanus in that regard, admit it, the ESPN hatred for the cowboys continues, it doenst change cuase they hire some former cowboys

[DragonCowboy]

Well, Brunell outplayed Bledsoe....their RBs are better....WR is debateable, and their defense was a little bit better than ours.

Its not really that surprising.

IMO, here's how I see it.

QB is debatable. Yes, Brunell outplayed Bledsoe, but Bledsoe was playing much better before Adams went down and the OL basically messed him up. Now, the OL is better than last year's, so Bledsoe should return to the form he was at the start of the season. With that said, Brunell is also getting alot of injuries, and as we lovingly call him, he's a "noodle arm." That's why I think Bledsoe will be better. I'm basing it off of the start of last season, before our OL just suddenly deteriorating. It depends how you look at it.

Their starting RB is better than our starting RB, but I'm pretty sure MB3 is better than their #2. You would accept that we have a better depth, right?

Now, for WR.

Owens > Moss, it is closer than we think, but Owens is better.
Glenn > Lloyd, Glenn had a productive season after being doubled just about every play. Now with Owens on the field, Glenn won't take the double coverage.
Witten > Cooley, if the OL performs better, Witten will be much, much better.

Now, Redskins fans want to talk about depth. Yes, they have a better WR depth than us. Don't we have a better RB depth though. IMO, their RBs are better, but if they base their WR's as better than ours bc of depth, then shouldn't our RB's be better for the same reason?

And as for the defense, last year was our first year in the 3-4, so we had to stay pretty bland so the players could learn the system. Expect us to come out firing much more on Defense.

[Doomsday101]

oh really, well in same situtaiuoni we beat the eagles twice last year, does that mean we're better thna them in every regard?

not according to ESPN

Sorry, Dallas needs to go out and earn respect, I'm not going to sit here and whine about what ESPN has to say. You want them to talk differently about the team as they did in the early 90's where they gave us a lot of good press? then this team needs to get their butts in gear and do something. We have done nothing as of yet to earn anyones respect and that has to change

[Vintage]

IMO, here's how I see it.

QB is debatable. Yes, Brunell outplayed Bledsoe, but Bledsoe was playing much better before Adams went down and the OL basically messed him up. Now, the OL is better than last year's, so Bledsoe should return to the form he was at the start of the season. With that said, Brunell is also getting alot of injuries, and as we lovingly call him, he's a "noodle arm." That's why I think Bledsoe will be better. I'm basing it off of the start of last season, before our OL just suddenly deteriorating. It depends how you look at it.

Their starting RB is better than our starting RB, but I'm pretty sure MB3 is better than their #2. You would accept that we have a better depth, right?

Now, for WR.

Owens > Moss, it is closer than we think, but Owens is better.
Glenn > Lloyd, Glenn had a productive season after being doubled just about every play. Now with Owens on the field, Glenn won't take the double coverage.
Witten > Cooley, if the OL performs better, Witten will be much, much better.

Now, Redskins fans want to talk about depth. Yes, they have a better WR depth than us. Don't we have a better RB depth though. IMO, their RBs are better, but if they base their WR's as better than ours bc of depth, then shouldn't our RB's be better for the same reason?

To be honest...I could care less about backup RB's....

Portis is a lot better than our backs.

Its like when people say Alexander has no backup and "we have better depth".....so? Alexander is an MVP RB. That matters more than who the backup is. Jones hasn't sniffed anything near what Portis has done.

Their RB situation is better than ours. Regardless if we have them beat with depth.

And when I said the WR stuff was debatable, it did not mean I agree that the Redskins receivers are better than ours. It just means I can sort of understand the listing of the Skins WR's better than ours (even if I disagree with it). Moss had a great year last year. People are enamored with Lloyd. And Cooley had a heckuva season as well.

Its not entirely ludacris.

[Vintage]

bledsoe out played Mcnabb.. our RB's are better... our WR are better... and our defense was better than there's

but again they sitll rank phili higher thanus in that regard, admit it, the ESPN hatred for the cowboys continues, it doenst change cuase they hire some former cowboys

And.....I care...?

Its ESPN. Its entertainment. Its not supposed to be loaded with facts and stats, or the average viewer wouldn't watch. Put it this way, you can come here and get better stats and facts. But I bet more Cowboys fans watch ESPN than look at message boards? Why? Because the average fan wants to be entertained. When you look at ESPN for what it is, an Entertainment Sports network, its hard to get upset with them.

Who cares where they rank us? Seriously? Does it have ANY bearing whatsoever on how the season unfolds?

ESPN doesn't have that much power.

[dargonking999]

Sorry, Dallas needs to go out and earn respect, I'm not going to sit here and whine about what ESPN has to say. You want them to talk differently about the team as they did in the early 90's where they gave us a lot of good press? then this team needs to get their butts in gear and do something. We have done nothing as of yet to earn anyones respect and that has to change

But agian your not making any sense.

In one breath yoyu say the skins beat us twice and so its reasonable to say they are better than us in every facet

then in the next its we have to prove oursevles, and earn respect.

The redskins got owned by us for years and now that they beat us they have the respect

But the eagles have routinly spanked us, and when we beat them, we still dont get respect it doenst match up dude.

[DragonCowboy]

To be honest...I could care less about backup RB's....

Portis is a lot better than our backs.

Its like when people say Alexander has no backup and "we have better depth".....so? Alexander is an MVP RB. That matters more than who the backup is. Jones hasn't sniffed anything near what Portis has done.

Their RB situation is better than ours. Regardless if we have them beat with depth.

And when I said the WR stuff was debatable, it did not mean I agree that the Redskins receivers are better than ours. It just means I can sort of understand the listing of the Skins WR's better than ours (even if I disagree with it). Moss had a great year last year. People are enamored with Lloyd. And Cooley had a heckuva season as well.

Its not entirely ludacris.

I was trying to make a point with the RB thing. Yes, their RB's are better than ours, but I'd say that we have better depth, because JJ and MB3 aren't too far apart, but if Portis goes down, there will be a big drop off. Yes their RB's are better, but IMO we have better depth.

NOw, I was trying to tie that into the WR thing. Many Redskins fans agree taht Owens > Moss, Glenn > Lloyd, and Witten > Cooley, but they say, "we have better depth", and write it off as the Redskins have better WR depth. So, think about it. We have better WR's, but they ahve better depth.


Running backs:

Depth: us
Player: them

WR:
Depth: them
Players: us

Now, if they get the nod on WR's for having a better depth, shouldn't we get the nod on RB's for having a better depth? That was my argument for showing how stupid the WR rankings are. I agree with the RB rankings, but no way do I agree with the WR rankings.

[dargonking999]

And.....I care...?

Its ESPN. Its entertainment. Its not supposed to be loaded with facts and stats, or the average viewer wouldn't watch. Put it this way, you can come here and get better stats and facts. But I bet more Cowboys fans watch ESPN than look at message boards? Why? Because the average fan wants to be entertained. When you look at ESPN for what it is, an Entertainment Sports network, its hard to get upset with them.

Who cares where they rank us? Seriously? Does it have ANY bearing whatsoever on how the season unfolds?

ESPN doesn't have that much power.

i was basing my repsonse of what you said, this response doesnt change what you said, nor answer my question.

[Doomsday101]

But agian your not making any sense.

In one breath yoyu say the skins beat us twice and so its reasonable to say they are better than us in every facet

then in the next its we have to prove oursevles, and earn respect.

The redskins got owned by us for years and now that they beat us they have the respect

But the eagles have routinly spanked us, and when we beat them, we still dont get respect it doenst match up dude.

I refuse to sit here and whine about what ESPN says, boo hoo they did not talk great about us? what has this team done? we beat up an eagles team with an injured QB and a lot of issue last season. No doubt ESPN is giving the eagles the benifet of the doubt based on winning the NFCE 4 out of 5 years and I'm not saying it is right but for Dallas to get respect from the media from ESPN then they need to go out and earn that respect. Seem you wanted just handed to us, it does not work that way!

[Vintage]

i was basing my repsonse of what you said, this response doesnt change what you said, nor answer my question.

I am sorry.

I come from a place where you have to actually ask a question to get an answer.

Silly, isn't it?

[dargonking999]

I refuse to sit here and whine about what ESPN says, boo hoo they did not talk great about us? what has this team done? we beat up an eagles team with an injured QB and a lot of issue last season. No doubt ESPN is giving the eagles the benifet of the doubt based on winning the NFCE 4 out of 5 years and I'm not saying it is right but for Dallas to get respect from the media from ESPN then they need to go out and earn that respect. Seem you wanted just handed to us, it does not work that way!


Ok and the skins beat a team with an OT, and rookie OT, no starting Fs, and injured RB, do i need to continues

im not asking for anything to be handed to us, im trying to figure out why because of one fluke game, and one bad game that now the redskins deserve respect and should be ranked higher than us in all aspects, when they havent proven themselves either. Again, i could care less for ESPN and there rankings it was what you said that i wasked about., You keep on bringin up ESPN, when i was asking about your opinion not ESPN. i dont give a flippy burger about ESPN

[dargonking999]

I am sorry.

I come from a place where you have to actually ask a question to get an answer.

Silly, isn't it?

no your train of thought, and pointless repsonses, to things that were'nt in the topic is silly.

Moving along, this thread is getting tiresome, have a nice day

[Vintage]

I was trying to make a point with the RB thing. Yes, their RB's are better than ours, but I'd say that we have better depth, because JJ and MB3 aren't too far apart, but if Portis goes down, there will be a big drop off. Yes their RB's are better, but IMO we have better depth.

NOw, I was trying to tie that into the WR thing. Many Redskins fans agree taht Owens > Moss, Glenn > Lloyd, and Witten > Cooley, but they say, "we have better depth", and write it off as the Redskins have better WR depth. So, think about it. We have better WR's, but they ahve better depth.


Running backs:

Depth: us
Player: them

WR:
Depth: them
Players: us

Now, if they get the nod on WR's for having a better depth, shouldn't we get the nod on RB's for having a better depth? That was my argument for showing how stupid the WR rankings are. I agree with the RB rankings, but no way do I agree with the WR rankings.

I understand we have more depth. I just don't care that much, to be honest.

If they called up and asked us to do a swap (all of their RB's for all of ours), I do it.

As far as the WR, rankings....I was looking at the top 3 WR and TE.

Glenn, Owens, Crayton, Witten vs Lloyd, Moss, Randle El, Cooley.

My point was not that they are better. But that is not as ludacris to say as some think.

[Vintage]

no your train of thought, and pointless repsonses, to things that were'nt in the topic is silly.

Moving along, this thread is getting tiresome, have a nice day

No, you are wrong. Again. Someone asked why are the Redskins ranked better than us everywhere. My response was that bec. Bledsoe was outplayed by Brunell, etc....

Then you replied to it with Eagles junk....Which was off topic.

Then I replied again.

Then you accused me of being pointless bec. I ignored your question.

To which I pointed out, you didn't even ask a question, so how am I supposed to answer it? Mind read?

[Doomsday101]

Ok and the skins beat a team with an OT, and rookie OT, no starting Fs, and injured RB, do i need to continues

im not asking for anything to be handed to us, im trying to figure out why because of one fluke game, and one bad game that now the redskins deserve respect and should be ranked higher than us in all aspects, when they havent proven themselves either. Again, i could care less for ESPN and there rankings it was what you said that i wasked about., You keep on bringin up ESPN, when i was asking about your opinion not ESPN. i dont give a flippy burger about ESPN

They (skins) made it to the post season, we didn't. they kicked our butt 35 to 7 in a game that was never close so yes they are going to get praise for a good season. As far as I'm concerned we have the potential to be a very good team but they have to come out this season and show it week in and week out. If this team does that we get the respect we want

[DragonCowboy]

I understand we have more depth. I just don't care that much, to be honest.

If they called up and asked us to do a swap (all of their RB's for all of ours), I do it.

As far as the WR, rankings....I was looking at the top 3 WR and TE.

Glenn, Owens, Crayton, Witten vs Lloyd, Moss, Randle El, Cooley.

My point was not that they are better. But that is not as ludacris to say as some think.

I know, their RB's are better than ours. I'm just saying, that many Redskins fans agree that our WR's are better, but they say that their depth is better, so their WR corps is better. Well then, IMO, if that's true, then we have a better RB depth, even though ours are worse, so we MUST have a better RB corps. I'm just saying that their logic is ludicrous.

[Vintage]

I know, their RB's are better than ours. I'm just saying, that many Redskins fans agree that our WR's are better, but they say that their depth is better, so their WR corps is better. Well then, IMO, if that's true, then we have a better RB depth, even though ours are worse, so we MUST have a better RB corps. I'm just saying that their logic is ludicrous.

OK.....I misunderstood you.

I thought you were trying to convince me that our RBs were better. Somewhere along the line, I mis-read one of your posts.

My bad.

[DragonCowboy]

OK.....I misunderstood you.

I thought you were trying to convince me that our RBs were better. Somewhere along the line, I mis-read one of your posts.

My bad.

no harm no foul :)

[cowboywho?]

You guys dont get it. it not that our WR core is better but they also consider stuff like the the OL and stuff of that nature.

Not just the WR.

...I think

[burmafrd]

Supposedly it is only the WR/TE. that is why they have done each separate (QB, RB, etc)

[Gamebreaker]

Supposedly it is only the WR/TE. that is why they have done each separate (QB, RB, etc)

Not exactly. For a couple of the positions, like San Diego, they brought up how LT is a big recieving threat out of the backfield. I think one of them mentioned this for the Giants (Tiki) and Arizona (Edge) as well.

[burmafrd]

Catching passes is a RB duty as well. THEY claimed that in isolation that is how they are rating each unit- if that is not the case, then the whole thing is even more flawed.

[MossBurner]

IMO, here's how I see it.

Their starting RB is better than our starting RB, but I'm pretty sure MB3 is better than their #2. You would accept that we have a better depth, right?

Now, Redskins fans want to talk about depth. Yes, they have a better WR depth than us. Don't we have a better RB depth though. IMO, their RBs are better, but if they base their WR's as better than ours bc of depth, then shouldn't our RB's be better for the same reason?



Why is every Cowboys fan so big on MB3? He's a good backup, that's it. He may even be better than JJ; that doesn't say much about the Boys' RBs.

First of all, Portis is far superior to any back on the Boys. If he's a 92/100, JJ is a 62/100, at best.

Ladell Betts is a great #2 RB. He also is a solid kick returner. Rock is by far the best #3 RB in the league. The Skins also have Mike Sellers, who scores a lot and is a special teams ace. The Skins RB situation is much better than the Cowboys.

[burmafrd]

Moss you are a homer supreme. Yes Portis is better because he has not been injured like JJ has. If you look at yds per game played I would bet that JJ is very close to Portis. And Barber is better then Betts.

[burmafrd]

Actually just looked it up. Jones has averaged a littl over 86 yds per game and Portis has averaged not quite 99 yds per game. NOT a great difference. AND to top it off at washington he has averaged only 91 yds per game. Of course since anyone can make yds in Denver only his Wash time should be considered.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Actually just looked it up. Jones has averaged a littl over 86 yds per game and Portis has averaged not quite 99 yds per game. NOT a great difference. AND to top it off at washington he has averaged only 91 yds per game. Of course since anyone can make yds in Denver only his Wash time should be considered.

:lmao2: please, now I know you are not going to try and compare somone who has over 1500 yards in 3 out of his first 4 seasons to someone who has missed 11 games in his first two seasons.
so the next time JJ gets 1500 yards, let alone 1300, give me a call. Then maybe you might have a LITTLE validity

Just don't even try. Because frankly, you are the only one of this site that would even try to make a comparison between the two

so the next time JJ gets 1500 yards, let alone 1300, give me a call. Because maybe then you might have a LITTLE validity

[burmafrd]

yds per game baby- not much difference. Certainly right now Portis has the edge because he has not been injured like JJ has. Though if Gibbs keeps riding him like he did last season he will not last long.

[Doomsday101]

I think Portis a very good back but the guy is a freak with all his alter-egos
Jerome from D.C, Dr. "I Don't Know", Sheriff Gone Getcha, Dollah Bill
Reverend Gon' Change, Kid Bro Street, Inspector 2-2


http://sportsmatter.blogspot.com/2005/11/many-faces-of-clinton-portis.html

[Gamebreaker]

:lmao2: please, now I know you are not going to try and compare somone who has over 1500 yards in 3 out of his first 4 seasons to someone who has missed 11 games in his first two seasons.
so the next time JJ gets 1500 yards, let alone 1300, give me a call. Then maybe you might have a LITTLE validity

Just don't even try. Because frankly, you are the only one of this site that would even try to make a comparison between the two

so the next time JJ gets 1500 yards, let alone 1300, give me a call. Because maybe then you might have a LITTLE validity

You will be surprised by what that homer will try to compare. Believe me.

[skinsngibbs4life]

I think Portis a very good back but the guy is a freak with all his alter-egos
Jerome from D.C, Dr. "I Don't Know", Sheriff Gone Getcha, Dollah Bill
Reverend Gon' Change, Kid Bro Street, Inspector 2-2


http://sportsmatter.blogspot.com/2005/11/many-faces-of-clinton-portis.html

:lmao2: he did do a good job keeping the fan base entertained inbetween weeks

[Doomsday101]

:lmao2: he did do a good job keeping the fan base entertained inbetween weeks

It truly amazes me that it takes so little to entertain people. :laugh2:

[wxcpo]

Why is it that we are discussing the foreskins so much recently. WHO CARES!!!! I could care less where some writer or sports entertainment show has the skins ranked or the Cowboys even. They are simply journalists expressing their opinions, they are no more of an authority about who has the better QB, RB or WR than you or I. Of course it doesn't take a genius to say Portis is a better RB than Jones, duh. We all know that Owens is a better WR than Moss, even though Moss is catching up, but right now Moss isn't in Owens class. Skins homers will say the rankings are 100% correct because it strokes their homer egos. Don't worry about arguing over who has the better players, lets just wait until the games are played and see who is the better TEAM.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Why is it that we are discussing the foreskins so much recently. WHO CARES!!!! I could care less where some writer or sports entertainment show has the skins ranked or the Cowboys even. They are simply journalists expressing their opinions, they are no more of an authority about who has the better QB, RB or WR than you or I. Of course it doesn't take a genius to say Portis is a better RB than Jones, duh. We all know that Owens is a better WR than Moss, even though Moss is catching up, but right now Moss isn't in Owens class. Skins homers will say the rankings are 100% correct because it strokes their homer egos. Don't worry about arguing over who has the better players, lets just wait until the games are played and see who is the better TEAM.

actually, i posted a link earlier to ES that was concerning the rankings. Most of the people responding to the thread think that we are overrated, and that the 'boys should be ranked higher.

but like everyone else said, what does it matter?

[burmafrd]

Like Rod Taylor said in "Train Robbers"
"Its something to do!!"

[Bob Sacamano]

(In your mind) Glenn (32) is better than Lloyd (25), but 31/32 NFL GMs would rather have Lloyd as their number 2 receiver.

you actually asked 32 NFL GMs?

[DragonCowboy]

Why is every Cowboys fan so big on MB3? He's a good backup, that's it. He may even be better than JJ; that doesn't say much about the Boys' RBs.

First of all, Portis is far superior to any back on the Boys. If he's a 92/100, JJ is a 62/100, at best.

Ladell Betts is a great #2 RB. He also is a solid kick returner. Rock is by far the best #3 RB in the league. The Skins also have Mike Sellers, who scores a lot and is a special teams ace. The Skins RB situation is much better than the Cowboys.

buddy, read the rest of my posts. You didn't understand what I was getting at.

MB3 > Betts, are you kidding me? We're talking about running out of the LOS, not kick returning.

[Chuck 54]

Actually, ESPN gave us a worse ranking than the Redskins on EVERYTHING.

According to ESPN:

Brunell >> Bledsoe
Portis >> JJ and MB3
Moss + Lloyd + Cooley > Owens + Glenn + Witten
Redskins Pass D >> Cowboys Pass D
Redskins Run D >> Cowboys Run D

Talk about really, really one sided...So you're telling me that the Redskins are better than us at EVERYTHING? Hardly..
I'd take Portis over our entire stable of RBs for sure....At QB, I'd say it's a draw at this point in their careers...I'd say WR is a draw in my mind...but I like our D better than theirs top to bottom.

[peplaw06]

You need to stop stating this fallacy. Moss had 1100 yards and 10 TD's in 2003. If that is not a good season than you must not think very highly of Terry Glenn.

Yeah great comparison. Moss is your #1 WR and Glenn our #2. Thanks for proving our point.:lmao:

[Gamebreaker]

Yeah great comparison. Moss is your #1 WR and Glenn our #2. Thanks for proving our point.:lmao:

That was never his point. He said Moss only had one good season. I proved him wrong, thanks for trying though. :rolleyes:

[peplaw06]

That was never his point. He said Moss only had one good season. I proved him wrong, thanks for trying though. :rolleyes:

You proved him wrong by comparing him to Glenn?? Forgive me if I don't see the point.

[Gamebreaker]

You proved him wrong by comparing him to Glenn?? Forgive me if I don't see the point.

He said Moss has only had one good season. I showed his stats from 2003, which proved him wrong. I only mentioned Glenn as a taunt. I knew he'd never even looked at Moss' career statistics, and if he did, he would know that saying Moss' 2005 season was the only good one would mean Glenn's NEVER had a good season. Since for Terry Glenn's career, he's never surpassed those type of numbers.

I wasn't comparing Moss directly to Glenn, just pointing out the fallacy in his argument.

[peplaw06]

He said Moss has only had one good season. I showed his stats from 2003, which proved him wrong. I only mentioned Glenn as a taunt. I knew he'd never even looked at Moss' career statistics, and if he did, he would know that saying Moss' 2005 season was the only good one would mean Glenn's NEVER had a good season. Since for Terry Glenn's career, he's never surpassed those type of numbers.

I wasn't comparing Moss directly to Glenn, just pointing out the fallacy in his argument.

The fact remains Glenn is our #2 WR, and Moss is your #1. A #2 WR can have a "good season" with stats that don't match up with a #1 WR. No one expects a #2 WR to have #1 WR stats, that's why it's called the #2 WR.

[Gamebreaker]

The fact remains Glenn is our #2 WR, and Moss is your #1. A #2 WR can have a "good season" with stats that don't match up with a #1 WR. No one expects a #2 WR to have #1 WR stats, that's why it's called the #2 WR.

You still don't get what I'm talking about. Glenn hasn't been a #2 reciever his whole career. Even when he was a #1, he never surpassed those type of numbers. I really don't even understand what you're trying to defend here.

[firehawk350]

buddy, read the rest of my posts. You didn't understand what I was getting at.

MB3 > Betts, are you kidding me? We're talking about running out of the LOS, not kick returning.

Under what circumstance is MB3 that much better??? Marion Barber has better totals, but the averages remain about the same. The reason for this being is JJ hasn't proven he can carry the load whereas Portis has proven he's more then capable. So are we to fault the back-up for the starter not being fragile? On averages, it's about even with 3.8 vs. 3.9 YPC with Barber having the slight edge. So it's roughly a draw, with a slight advantage going to Barber. Then you bring in #3 and Cartwright is EASILY the better #3. The only bit of real sustained action he saw is 100 yards in one of the games (forgot which one) which easily beat out Thompson who only got 149 yards all season on twice as many carries as Cartwright (199 yards). So Cartwright is easily much better then Thompson. Anyways, we win 2 out of 3 positions in a head to head. Combine that with a better o-line and you can see why most people would rank our RB corps above yours.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

ESPN is silly.

[kartr]

Actually, ESPN gave us a worse ranking than the Redskins on EVERYTHING.

According to ESPN:

Brunell >> Bledsoe
Portis >> JJ and MB3
Moss + Lloyd + Cooley > Owens + Glenn + Witten
Redskins Pass D >> Cowboys Pass D
Redskins Run D >> Cowboys Run D

Talk about really, really one sided...So you're telling me that the Redskins are better than us at EVERYTHING? Hardly..

Uhhh. They swept us and outscored us like 48-21 last year. Do the math.

[kartr]

To the victor goes the spoils. Skins beat us both times last season so it is to be expected that some will rate them as the better team. It is up to the Cowboys to go out there and prove people wrong.

Exactly, to be fair, give credit where it is due. If we sweep the Skins and dominate this year, then we'll be ranked above them next year.

[Doomsday101]

Exactly, to be fair, give credit where it is due. If we sweep the Skins and dominate this year, then we'll be ranked above them next year.

We don't agree often but we do on this point.

[kartr]

Another fallacious argument. We beat many teams the only time we played them. Does that mean we have better parts than they do in all facets of the game?

Brunell was a more efficient qb than Bledsoe last year in terms of td to int ratio and less sack prone and less fumble prone and Portis was more productive than our combo rb's.

[kartr]

oh really, well in same situtaiuoni we beat the eagles twice last year, does that mean we're better thna them in every regard?

not according to ESPN

The Eagles had an injured McNabb last year and the TO situation. That wont be the case this year. And since the Eagles have had our number more often than not over the last 5 years, that's why.

[leotisbrown]

The Deadskin with they're Snyder owner ship and old man senility Gibbs and outlaw tipes pulling guns on atvs are a freak show-- BUT Portis is a freak show within a freak show.

Portis put on them costumings for his interviews but what I begun to reality on is that he do this in the locker room privacitly to and prolly has a whole subgroup of players what like to put on dresses and heels and do all tipes of unright nastiness on themselves in a sinful state of wrechedness beyond imaginings.

Compare them shaniganins with the upright and true Texican America the "Boys represent. Wear a a real man wears manly gear like groucho pants and boots with silver spurs twissling in the wind and a red scarf hung round the neck and muscularitee bulging as the bronc busting ride begins a new.

Portis represent all that wrong with libral belt way tipes free spending big government tax raising lewinski loving low down sinnin money grubbers.

JJ may has not had as many games and yardagings as Portis but he plays them well and with honor. And no one has too wonders if he got a dress on underneath his uniform like they do on Portis.

Vote for JJ! Vote for desentsy! Vote for Texas!

[dargonking999]

The Eagles had an injured McNabb last year and the TO situation. That wont be the case this year. And since the Eagles have had our number more often than not over the last 5 years, that's why.

WE had an injured LT, no FS, Injured RB, but that didnt change the fact that the skins drumme dus 35 -7 please dont give excuses there like a-holes, everyones got one

:D gawd i love my new favorite saying

[kartr]

bledsoe out played Mcnabb.. our RB's are better... our WR are better... and our defense was better than there's

but again they sitll rank phili higher thanus in that regard, admit it, the ESPN hatred for the cowboys continues, it doenst change cuase they hire some former cowboys

McNabb was injured last year. The Eagles have a consistently good offense more years. McNabb is a consistentent playoff qb,Bledsoe is consistently not in the playoffs.

[Vintage]

Actually, ESPN gave us a worse ranking than the Redskins on EVERYTHING.

According to ESPN:

Brunell >> Bledsoe


Last season Brunell outplayed Bledsoe.


Portis >> JJ and MB3


Portis had 1516 yards and 11 TD's
Jones had 992 yards and 5 TDs
Barber had 538 yards and 5 TD's

Combined, Jones and Barber accounted for 1530 yards and 10 TD's.
Portis had 1516 yards and 11 TD's

Seems to make sense to me.


Moss + Lloyd + Cooley > Owens + Glenn + Witten

This I disagree with...


Redskins Pass D >> Cowboys Pass D


The Redskins were 10th in pass defense. We were 11th.


Redskins Run D >> Cowboys Run D


The Redskins were 13th in run defense. We were 15th.


Talk about really, really one sided...So you're telling me that the Redskins are better than us at EVERYTHING? Hardly..


Maybe they are....?