How Important is Team Chemistry

[Phoenix-Talon]

As an Eagle fan, I can tell you that chemistry ...or the lack thereof, can be the kiss of death to a football franchise.

That said, the compilation of players whose combined efforts are collaborated for the purpose of winning on a field of competition can be greatly thwarted by external (media) and internal entities (disruptive players).

Many believe that unlike Andy Reid, Bill Parcells purportedly runs a tight ship. Perhaps. That could be demonstrated in 2006 keeping certain volitile players under control. Believe me you, history has shown that if player disruptive behavior is not identified in their respective contracts, it should be.

Bottom line is that team chemistry is a crucial element to a successful team. But how important. What about ...

QB in the Huddle (one voice concept)

QB & WR

WR & WR

QB & OL

QB & C

RB & OL

What about Coach & individual (not collectively) chemistry/relationships?
How critical is it to have a team unscaved by a nuisance media reporter/sports writer who writes derrogatory about every little team-related occurence.

Discussion:

The Eagles managed to get a boatload of bad Publicity last year. While injuries took their toll, many believe that bad press (the soap opera) and chemisty gone bad created situations detrimental to the success of the team. I indorse that sentiment.

I think the Eagles versus Cowboys games (both of them) is going to be a "media circus." I don't think that's going to be good for either team; perhaps a bit more for the Cowboys since the expectation is that the Cowboys will trounce the Eagles.

Since this is the 1st year that the new Touchdown celebration rule will go into effect, all eyes will be focused on those players who traditionally make it a point to creatively "do their thing" in the endzone. Fines, suspensions, yardage penalties and media frenzy is on the menu.

I know how to handle flames, can't we just stick with some football discussion ...your thoughts on this coming Training camp/regular season.

[dwmyers]

In the case of the Eagles, team chemistry is a little overrated and the need for bodies on the defensive line and a healthy running back and quarterback underrated. I think the whole McNabb-TO mess has caused a focus on chemistry that masks the real problems of the team.

If the Eagles recover a pass rush with Howard and Bunckley, *most* of the chemistry talk will vanish. If McNabb and Westbrook can remain healthy for a whole season, almost all of it will vanish.

The only team in this division that *may* have a chemistry problem will be the Giants. In the case of the Redskins and Boys, a strong coach has molded the teams and I don't think chemistry will be an issue.

David.

[WV Cowboy]

Tell your owner and HC to watch and learn.

[ABQCOWBOY]

How important is Team Chemisty?

I'd think that as a Philly fan, you would know this better then anybody. However, I suppose the official answer would be VERY IMPORTANT.

I read through your post and I can't say that I fully understand where you were going with it but no big deal.

How important is Chemisty? Just take a look at the Raiders for the past several years. That should tell anybody who's paying attention all you need to know IMO.

[superpunk]

As an Eagle fan, I can tell you that chemistry ...or the lack thereof, can be the kiss of death to a football franchise.

Sucking can be the kiss of death, too.

[fortdick]

How Important is Team Chemistry?

For the San Francisco Giants, it is everything!

[Phoenix-Talon]

In the case of the Eagles, team chemistry is a little overrated and the need for bodies on the defensive line and a healthy running back and quarterback underrated. I think the whole McNabb-TO mess has caused a focus on chemistry that masks the real problems of the team.

If the Eagles recover a pass rush with Howard and Bunckley, *most* of the chemistry talk will vanish. If McNabb and Westbrook can remain healthy for a whole season, almost all of it will vanish.

The only team in this division that *may* have a chemistry problem will be the Giants. In the case of the Redskins and Boys, a strong coach has molded the teams and I don't think chemistry will be an issue. David.

I can't deny any of what you're saying, but I can add that ...

Winning usually tends to assist with chemistry ...losing tends to vanish chemistry. If the Skins and Cowboys are successful this year Coach Parcells will probably have a job in Dallas in 2007; successful year or not, Gibbs will be in DC in 2007; so will Andy Reid.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Tell your owner and HC to watch and learn.

We'll be watching, and the 49ers will be watching ...and I'll bet Bill Parcells will be watching closely also.

[WV Cowboy]

We'll be watching, and the 49ers will be watching ...and I'll bet Bill Parcells will be watching closely also.
Duh !

[5Stars]

Yeah, T.O. is so deep in his head! :lmao:

[Phoenix-Talon]

How important is Team Chemisty? I'd think that as a Philly fan, you would know this better then anybody. However, I suppose the official answer would be VERY IMPORTANT.

...I can't say that I fully understand where you were going with it but no big deal.

Really?

First, let's step back from the Eagles for just a post or two. I realize that it may be somewhat intimidating for you to have a dialogue with an Eagles fan, but for now we're just speaking NFL ...that's the first step toward knowing where I'm going with this thread.

Here's a roadmap to where I was going with my thread ...

Running backs, for example have a stronger need for chemistry with their OL than they do with most other positions on the offensive squad.

I can't recall what Team it was last year, but I do know that it was a kicker who just happened to miss a very important kick was humiliated By his own team Player when he was grabbed by the facemask and shoved backwards violently. No penalty (there should have been), no fines, and the kicker was probably harder on himself than that player who took it upon himself to admonish the kicker for missing what he considered an automatic field goal.

That's the type of incident that I feel starts to show a team's frustration and true chemistry. A stronger team would have rallied to the kicker to assure him that we still can win, or at least we gave it our best shot, etc.

I sure wish someone knew what I was talking about on that kicker that was insulted by his own teammate.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Sucking can be the kiss of death, too.

I believe you mean if a team is in the basement that can deterriorate chemistry also. True. But a lot of things can also result out of losing besides the lack of chemistry.

[WV Cowboy]

I can't recall what Team it was last year, but I do know that it was a kicker who just happened to miss a very important kick was humiliated By his own team Player when he was grabbed by the facemask and shoved backwards violently. No penalty (there should have been), no fines, and the kicker was probably harder on himself than that player who took it upon himself to admonish the kicker for missing what he considered an automatic field goal.

That's the type of incident that I feel starts to show a team's frustration and true chemistry. A stronger team would have rallied to the kicker to assure him that we still can win, or at least we gave it our best shot, etc.

Probably not a good example, we all sided with "said player".

A penalty ?? Come on, ... for what ?

[Phoenix-Talon]

Probably not a good example, we all sided with "said player".

A penalty ?? Come on, ... for what ?


For unsportsmen-like conduct by whatever source ...even if it was his own teammate.

BTW, who was the team/kicker etc.?

[Vintage]

Really?

First, let's step back from the Eagles for just a post or two. I realize that it may be somewhat intimidating for you to have a dialogue with an Eagles fan, but for now we're just speaking NFL ...that's the first step toward knowing where I'm going with this thread.

Here's a roadmap to where I was going with my thread ...

Running backs, for example have a stronger need for chemistry with their OL than they do with most other positions on the offensive squad.

I can't recall what Team it was last year, but I do know that it was a kicker who just happened to miss a very important kick was humiliated By his own team Player when he was grabbed by the facemask and shoved backwards violently. No penalty (there should have been), no fines, and the kicker was probably harder on himself than that player who took it upon himself to admonish the kicker for missing what he considered an automatic field goal.

That's the type of incident that I feel starts to show a team's frustration and true chemistry. A stronger team would have rallied to the kicker to assure him that we still can win, or at least we gave it our best shot, etc.

I sure wish someone knew what I was talking about on that kicker that was insulted by his own teammate.


...and yet, we were in the playoff hunt...

[1fisher]

Really?

First, let's step back from the Eagles for just a post or two. I realize that it may be somewhat intimidating for you to have a dialogue with an Eagles fan, but for now we're just speaking NFL ...that's the first step toward knowing where I'm going with this thread.

Here's a roadmap to where I was going with my thread ...

Running backs, for example have a stronger need for chemistry with their OL than they do with most other positions on the offensive squad.

I can't recall what Team it was last year, but I do know that it was a kicker who just happened to miss a very important kick was humiliated By his own team Player when he was grabbed by the facemask and shoved backwards violently. No penalty (there should have been), no fines, and the kicker was probably harder on himself than that player who took it upon himself to admonish the kicker for missing what he considered an automatic field goal.

That's the type of incident that I feel starts to show a team's frustration and true chemistry. A stronger team would have rallied to the kicker to assure him that we still can win, or at least we gave it our best shot, etc.

I sure wish someone knew what I was talking about on that kicker that was insulted by his own teammate.


I can't recall what Team it was last year, but I do know that it was a kicker who just happened to miss a very important kick was humiliated By his own team Player when he was grabbed by the facemask and shoved backwards violently. No penalty (there should have been), no fines, and the kicker was probably harder on himself than that player who took it upon himself to admonish the kicker for missing what he considered an automatic field goal.


Me thinks you know what team that was PT...??????:cool:

[5Stars]

For unsportsmen-like conduct by whatever source ...even if it was his own teammate.

BTW, who was the team/kicker etc.?

Larry Allen of the Dallas Cowboy grabbed Jose Cortez, of the Dallas Cowboys, by the facemask after the missed kick because Cortez was blaming Romo and anyone else he could blame, for missing that kick.

Larry grabbed his facemask to whip some sense into Cortez...in other words, stop blaming everyone but yourself, because why?

IT RUINS THE CHEMISTRY! What Larry did, needed done! Get your facts stright for once!

Your moaning and groaning is getting worse and worse everytime you post lately! :mad:

:star:

[Phoenix-Talon]

...and yet, we were in the playoff hunt...

I'm not sure I undrstand what You're talking about -- but you obviously think I do! Please explain.

[5Stars]

Me thinks you know what team that was PT...??????:cool:

Of course he does! Jerks know what their doing!

:star:

[Phoenix-Talon]

I can't recall what Team it was last year, but I do know that it was a kicker who just happened to miss a very important kick was humiliated By his own team Player when he was grabbed by the facemask and shoved backwards violently. No penalty (there should have been), no fines, and the kicker was probably harder on himself than that player who took it upon himself to admonish the kicker for missing what he considered an automatic field goal.


Me thinks you know what team that was PT...??????:cool:

No seriously 1F, all jokes aside. If I knew, I'd try to find a clip. Are you implying it was Dallas? If so, who got into the kickers face?

[Birdlives]

It's a coaches league. In a sport where 11 men have to play together, team chemistry is very important. It shows when teams with top talent can't get to the playoffs, while teams with average or good players who play together can get far into the playoffs. Superstars won't win anything if they don't play together. Look at the 2000 Skins.

[5Stars]

No seriously 1F, all jokes aside. If I knew, I'd try to find a clip. Are you implying it was Dallas? If so, who got into the kickers face?

Yeah right! You remember all the intricate details of that incident, you are always here on this board reading and posting, yet, you claim you don't know which team this happened on? As a matter of fact, I'm gonna say you are lying out your teeth...


Don't start acting like a RedStink poster...

:star:

[Phoenix-Talon]

Believe what you'd like, and I wouldn't care if we were talking about the Eagles, the GIants or any other team In the NFL ...there should have been a straight out penalty to prevent this from happening again.

Larry Allen (now a former Cowboys) was not being a team player in the following clip ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kq0YcMrVVh4&search=%20Dallas%20Cowboys%20Kicker%20

BTW when i say penalty, I mean (fine) paid by Allen to Cowboys GM.

[burmafrd]

If Cortez had admitted that he screwed up, then it would not have happened. BUT when he tried to blame EVERYONE else, LA I think was just the first guy who heard it and took care of things. If HE hadn't, I think someone else would have. Would not have been as impressive, but it would have happened.

[stasheroo]

Believe what you'd like, and I wouldn't care if we were talking about the Eagles, the GIants or any other team In the NFL ...there should have been a straight out penalty to prevent this from happening again.

Larry Allen (now a former Cowboys) was not being a team player in the following clip ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kq0YcMrVVh4&search=%20Dallas%20Cowboys%20Kicker%20

BTW when i say penalty, I mean (fine) paid by Allen to Cowboys GM.


Impressive you were able to find footage of an incident you knew so little about so quickly...........

[Waffle]

Have any footage of T.O. and Hugh Douglas going at it in the locker room there PT??

[stasheroo]

Back on topic, I was wondering if as an Eagles fan, you feel that your team's chemistry issues will be repaired now that Owens is gone or if the division amongst your team will continue into this season?

[Phoenix-Talon]

Impressive you were able to find footage of an incident you knew so little about so quickly...........

I have a good mentor.

I could do that for anything you ask me about ...as long as the information is clear and concise. But I honestly did not know what Team ...who cares if anyone believes me or not. I have nothing to be disingenuious about.

[Vintage]

BTW when i say penalty, I mean (fine) paid by Allen to Cowboys GM.

No, you don't...You are lying.


I can't recall what Team it was last year, but I do know that it was a kicker who just happened to miss a very important kick was humiliated By his own team Player when he was grabbed by the facemask and shoved backwards violently. No penalty (there should have been), no fines, and the kicker was probably harder on himself than that player who took it upon himself to admonish the kicker for missing what he considered an automatic field goal.


You listed them seperately, bec. you knew they were different things...

[Phoenix-Talon]

Have any footage of T.O. and Hugh Douglas going at it in the locker room there PT??

I didn't think that was made privilege to the public.

[Phoenix-Talon]

No, you don't...You are lying. You listed them seperately, bec. you knew they were different things...

While you're being much too literal, I'll say in my defense that I was generally speaking in terms of an observation that "overall" nothing (denoting all of the possible option), was done.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Back on topic, I was wondering if as an Eagles fan, you feel that your team's chemistry issues will be repaired now that Owens is gone or if the division amongst your team will continue into this season?

You know what? AT least with you, I can get a sensible discussion ...unlike with "others." Some want to straight make direct personal accusations that they shouldn't (One day Alice ....Pow, right In the kisser: Jackie Gleason quote from the Honeymooners).

Anyway, like you said ...back on topic, I fear that there will be some residue from the Owens era, but I don't think it will seep into the lockerroom nor have an impact on the team. Emotions will certainly rise during both the Eagles versus Cowboys games.

Poetic justice demands a split in those to games, however, one team could walk away serving the cold soup! You will not see the same agles team you did in 2005!

[5Stars]

While you're being much too literal, I'll say in my defense that I was generally speaking in terms of an observation that "overall" nothing (denoting all of the possible option), was done.

:jerk:

[Vintage]

You know what? AT least with you, I can get a sensible discussion ...unlike with "others."


Awwww....

Makes me almost feel bad.

Almost.

[Vintage]

You will not see the same agles team you did in 2005!

....and you won't be seeing the same Cowboys team you saw in 2005.

[stasheroo]

You know what? AT least with you, I can get a sensible discussion ...unlike with "others." Some want to straight make direct personal accusations that they shouldn't (One day Alice ....Pow, right In the kisser: Jackie Gleason quote from the Honeymooners).

Anyway, like you said ...back on topic, I fear that there will be some residue from the Owens era, but I don't think it will seep into the lockerroom nor have an impact on the team. Emotions will certainly rise during both the Eagles versus Cowboys games.

Poetic justice demands a split in those to games, however, one team could walk away serving the cold soup! You will not see the same agles team you did in 2005!

You're well aware of my opinion of McNabb so I won't go into it again here.

That said, I think some of what Owens said with regard to McNabb is true.

I've seen for myself he can't handle adversity - either on or off the field.

And I think the Owens fiasco illustrated a rift in the Eagles team between McNabb and his teammates.

The action of players choosing sides in the whole mess spoke volumes to me. If Owens was entirely to blame, the entire team would have rallied around McNabb - and I never saw that happen. I think Eagles' players see Donovan as a "company man" who can't be trusted.

I think a rift still exists between McNabb and his teammates that will carry on into this season and beyond.

But that's just my opinion, and we'll have to wait for the season to find out.

[DallasEast]

Anyway, like you said ...back on topic, I fear that there will be some residue from the Owens era, but I don't think it will seep into the lockerroom nor have an impact on the team. Emotions will certainly rise during both the Eagles versus Cowboys games.I agree. Owens' departure will have little effect on the Eagles' team chemistry. However, the increased team chemistry and talent of the Cowboys, Redskins, and (to an extent) Giants will have a HUGE effect on the Eagles' team chemistry.

Has there ever been an NFC East team, which went winless within the division, for two years straight during the Super Bowl era? :confused:

[WV Cowboy]

What team was it last year that the QB and a WR had a fued going and stuff, ... can't recall the team exactly.

Anyway, they had a real fallingout and it made the news and everything.

Who was that WR, and is he still with the same team ?

If not what team was stupid enough to pick him up ?

[Phoenix-Talon]

Impressive you were able to find footage of an incident you knew so little about so quickly...........


Since I couldn't find the clip of the TO in the lockerroom fight ...

This clip contains the only person that I would actully fear to replace Parcells when he leave the Cowboys (whenever that is). He can take THE Cowboys to the Big Show (but I don't know whether he can handle strong-willed players). He probably can, I have a lot of respect for this guy ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pq9DlQK5YIo&mode=related&search=%20Dallas%20Cowboys%20Kicker%20

[Bob Sacamano]

As an Eagle fan, I can tell you that chemistry ...or the lack thereof, can be the kiss of death to a football franchise.

I thought as being an Eagle fan, that you would know better, that injuries are the kiss of death for a team's season *tisk* *tisk* shame on you :)

[Bob Sacamano]

Here's a roadmap to where I was going with my thread ...

c'mon, you and I both know where you're going with this is the same route you always go, back to TO

[Phoenix-Talon]

What team was it last year that the QB and a WR had a fued going and stuff, ... can't recall the team exactly.

Anyway, they had a real fallingout and it made the news and everything.

Who was that WR, and is he still with the same team ?

If not what team was stupid enough to pick him up ?


Good sense of Humor ...:D You'll need watching.

[AsthmaField]

Hey PT... like a few people on here have already mentioned... Larry Allen grabbed Cortez's facemask because he was blaming the holder for him missing the kick instead of taking the blame himself. Nobody likes that, and team mates of the holder get pissed about that.

What you saw was Larry Allen preserving team chemistry. That served to strengthen the team chemistry because it was one player sticking up for another. That made the team chemistry even stronger than it was before and I would think it would happen on any team that had good chemistry.

Bad chemistry would have simply let Jose continue to blame someone else for his miss. That could've festered and become a problem. What happened should've happened and only helped the team chemistry.

Jose was on the outside looking in as far as camaradarie goes and after that, Larry Allen and Romo (the holder) were probably closer. It was a good thing.

[Phoenix-Talon]

I thought as being an Eagle fan, that you would know better, that injuries are the kiss of death for a team's season *tisk* *tisk* shame on you :)

Unlike lightning ...the kiss of death can strike twice!;)

[Bob Sacamano]

What team was it last year that the QB and a WR had a fued going and stuff, ... can't recall the team exactly.

Anyway, they had a real fallingout and it made the news and everything.

Who was that WR, and is he still with the same team ?

If not what team was stupid enough to pick him up ?

:lmao2:

idk why some people didn't understand where he was going with this, with PT, it's always about how TO ruined the Eagles and how we should watch out, and all these posts related to chemistry, some actually thought that was a legit question and answer from PT :laugh1:

[Phoenix-Talon]

c'mon, you and I both know where you're going with this is the same route you always go, back to TO

Not this time sf ...I've let TO go! He's yours.:o:

[Bob Sacamano]

Not this time sf ...I've let TO go! He's yours.:o:

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[2233boys]

As an Eagle fan, I can tell you that chemistry ...or the lack thereof, can be the kiss of death to a football franchise.

That said, the compilation of players whose combined efforts are collaborated for the purpose of winning on a field of competition can be greatly thwarted by external (media) and internal entities (disruptive players).

Many believe that unlike Andy Reid, Bill Parcells purportedly runs a tight ship. Perhaps. That could be demonstrated in 2006 keeping certain volitile players under control. Believe me you, history has shown that if player disruptive behavior is not identified in their respective contracts, it should be.

Bottom line is that team chemistry is a crucial element to a successful team. But how important. What about ...

QB in the Huddle (one voice concept)

QB & WR

WR & WR

QB & OL

QB & C

RB & OL

What about Coach & individual (not collectively) chemistry/relationships?
How critical is it to have a team unscaved by a nuisance media reporter/sports writer who writes derrogatory about every little team-related occurence.

Discussion:

The Eagles managed to get a boatload of bad Publicity last year. While injuries took their toll, many believe that bad press (the soap opera) and chemisty gone bad created situations detrimental to the success of the team. I indorse that sentiment.

I think the Eagles versus Cowboys games (both of them) is going to be a "media circus." I don't think that's going to be good for either team; perhaps a bit more for the Cowboys since the expectation is that the Cowboys will trounce the Eagles.

Since this is the 1st year that the new Touchdown celebration rule will go into effect, all eyes will be focused on those players who traditionally make it a point to creatively "do their thing" in the endzone. Fines, suspensions, yardage penalties and media frenzy is on the menu.

I know how to handle flames, can't we just stick with some football discussion ...your thoughts on this coming Training camp/regular season.
The Eagles issues stemmed from one player and his inability to perform. That player was McNabb, not TO... Was TO a distraction sure, but having an ineffective commander piloting your ship will always led to mutiny and disaster...

[Phoenix-Talon]

[quote=AsthmaField]Hey PT... like a few people on here have already mentioned... Larry Allen grabbed Cortez's facemask because he was blaming the holder for him missing the kick instead of taking the blame himself. Nobody likes that, and team mates of the holder get pissed about that.

What you saw was Larry Allen preserving team chemistry. That served to strengthen the team chemistry because it was one player sticking up for another. That made the team chemistry even stronger than it was before and I would think it would happen on any team that had good chemistry.


Interesting twist AsthmaField ...I get your logic.


Bad chemistry would have simply let Jose continue to blame someone else for his miss. That could've festered and become a problem. What happened should've happened and only helped the team chemistry.

Jose was on the outside looking in as far as camaradarie goes and after that, Larry Allen and Romo (the holder) were probably closer. It was a good thing


If Cortez got jacked-up for cating the blame ...what's going to happen if TO starts jaw-jacking to Bledsoe about not getting enough touches. It's easy to say TO will get balls thrown to him consistently ...but then you're not on the opponent's defensive squad.

[Waffle]

If Cortez got jacked-up for cating the blame ...what's going to happen if TO starts jaw-jacking to Bledsoe about not getting enough touches. It's easy to say TO will get balls thrown to him consistently ...but then you're not on the opponent's defensive squad.

Gotcha! It took nearly 50 posts for you to get to the real intent of your thread.

[Phoenix-Talon]

:lmao2:

idk why some people didn't understand where he was going with this, with PT, it's always about how TO ruined the Eagles and how we should watch out, and all these posts related to chemistry, some actually thought that was a legit question and answer from PT :laugh1:

Too bad you feel that way ...but you don't validate my threads or whether they are legitmate or otherwise.

[stasheroo]

[quote]

If Cortez got jacked-up for cating the blame ...what's going to happen if TO starts jaw-jacking to Bledsoe about not getting enough touches. It's easy to say TO will get balls thrown to him consistently ...but then you're not on the opponent's defensive squad.

Hopefully the same thing that happened when Bledsoe and Keyshawn argued last year. They talked-out their disagreement like men and it was never a factor again (despite what the media may have hoped for).

Bledsoe didn't hide behind his head coach and let anyone else fight his battles for him.

He stood up for himself like a man.

And if it happens with Owens, Bledsoe will deal with him the same way - unlike a certain other quarterback.....

[superpunk]

Gotcha! It took nearly 50 posts for you to get to the real intent of your thread.

You win the prize.

[2233boys]

And if it happens with Owens, Bledsoe will deal with him the same way - unlike a certain other quarterback.....
And the real Problem with the Eagles last year!

[lurkercowboy]

Really?

First, let's step back from the Eagles for just a post or two. I realize that it may be somewhat intimidating for you to have a dialogue with an Eagles fan, but for now we're just speaking NFL ...that's the first step toward knowing where I'm going with this thread.

Here's a roadmap to where I was going with my thread ...

Running backs, for example have a stronger need for chemistry with their OL than they do with most other positions on the offensive squad.

I can't recall what Team it was last year, but I do know that it was a kicker who just happened to miss a very important kick was humiliated By his own team Player when he was grabbed by the facemask and shoved backwards violently. No penalty (there should have been), no fines, and the kicker was probably harder on himself than that player who took it upon himself to admonish the kicker for missing what he considered an automatic field goal.

That's the type of incident that I feel starts to show a team's frustration and true chemistry. A stronger team would have rallied to the kicker to assure him that we still can win, or at least we gave it our best shot, etc.

I sure wish someone knew what I was talking about on that kicker that was insulted by his own teammate.

I don't fault you for your memory loss. With the way the Eagles season went, your brain probably blanked out the 2005 season to protect your mental health.

BTW, that team ended up winning the game, finished the year with a winning record, and swept the Eagles.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Gotcha! It took nearly 50 posts for you to get to the real intent of your thread.

Wait ...you or no one thus far on this thread has "got" anything! Everyone but some of you guys are aware of how thread morph into different perspectives as a result of someone having there own opinions, responses to questions and just straight good dialogue that may/may Not necessarily transend in a different direction than what was Initially intended. Come on use some smarts here. I'm Not going to defend every word in my Posts for the sake of convincing anyone that I did or did not have an ulterior motive behind my thread.

If you think you've got a "gotcha" situation ...ok! But that's not authentic! I don't expect too many (some will) to check out the Headlines on Philly.com's MB, but the subject dealt with having Team Chemstry. I wanted to get some opinions here before I chatted with my fandom. Perhaps I was hasty to think I could get some solid dialogue without a conspiracy tag.

[Phoenix-Talon]

[quote=stasheroo][quote=Phoenix-Talon]

Hopefully the same thing that happened when Bledsoe and Keyshawn argued last year. They talked-out their disagreement like men and it was never a factor again (despite what the media may have hoped for).

Bledsoe didn't hide behind his head coach and let anyone else fight his battles for him.

He stood up for himself like a man.


Sensible response ...one of which I do not necessarily agree with; sensible Nontheless.

And if it happens with Owens, Bledsoe will deal with him the same way - unlike a certain other quarterback...

You mean quaterbacks ...plural -- he's got two notches under his belt.

[Waffle]

Wait ...you or no one thus far on this thread has "got" anything! Everyone but some of you guys are aware of how thread morph into different perspectives as a result of someone having there own opinions, responses to questions and just straight good dialogue that may/may Not necessarily transend in a different direction than what was Initially intended. Come on use some smarts here. I'm Not going to defend every word in my Posts for the sake of convincing anyone that I did or did not have an ulterior motive behind my thread.

If you think you've got a "gotcha" situation ...ok! But that's not authentic! I don't expect too many (some will) to check out the Headlines on Philly.com's MB, but the subject dealt with having Team Chemstry. I wanted to get some opinions here before I chatted with my fandom. Perhaps I was hasty to think I could get some solid dialogue without a conspiracy tag.

You would get better "dialogue" if you were just honest with your original intentions to begin with. I mean, why else would you have a thread about "team chemistry" if T.O. weren't a Dallas Cowboy now? I'd even give you the benefit of the doubt, but your reference to the Cortez/Allen incident and claiming to not know what team was involved made me suspicious.

Just stop denying and be honest with your intentions up front, and maybe a few more people would engage in constructive debate with you. :cool:

[Bob Sacamano]

You win the prize.

actually VIntage spotted him before anyone else

[superpunk]

actually VIntage spotted him before anyone else

I forgot to do my prediction, where I knew PT would roll back with condescension, and a "I guess I expected too much" from Zoners, comment...

I really am Nostrodamus.

[Bob Sacamano]

I mean, why else would you have a thread about "team chemistry" if T.O. weren't a Dallas Cowboy now? I'd even give you the benefit of the doubt, but your reference to the Cortez/Allen incident and claiming to not know what team was involved made me suspicious.

exactly, and neither Cortez and LA are Cowboys

again, this is just PT going back to TO

[Bob Sacamano]

I really am Nostrodamus.

that, or PT never strays from his formula:

playing the concerned Eagle fan, almost like he's our daddy

[stasheroo]

Sensible response ...one of which I do not necessarily agree with; sensible Nontheless.

In what way do you disagree?

And if it happens with Owens, Bledsoe will deal with him the same way - unlike a certain other quarterback...

You mean quaterbacks ...plural -- he's got two notches under his belt.

I guess to a certain extent he does. But, as the recent past indicates, Bledsoe isn't afraid to stand up for himself when he needs to. Maybe if either of those quarterbacks did, the issues may have been less.

As I've said in a prior post, I think the damaged credibility of Donovan McNabb makes the Eagles' chemistry issues a lot more interesting.

[Phoenix-Talon]

:rolleyes: NOTE: RESPONSE INTENDED FOR THIS POSTER ONLY (Let's see what he's got without anyone else's help ...)

Ouch! I don't normally entertain this sort of thing, but it's real close to going home time so what the Heck ...

I don't fault you for your memory loss. With the way the Eagles season went, your brain probably blanked out the 2005 season to protect your mental health.

Thanks Doc ...I feel better now that You've given your professional diagnosis.

[QUOTE] BTW, that team ended up winning the game, finished the year with a winning record, and swept the Eagles.

You did indeed sweep the injured Eagles 2nd string, but "successful year?" Winning Record? Did I miss something? Didn't you guys come in next to last place? Didn't you miss the Playoffs too. Aren't your standards higher than next to last place in the NFC-East? Who has amnesia?

I'm just kidding, it's all in fun and you're absolutelty right .:rolleyes:

[superpunk]

:rolleyes: NOTE: RESPONSE INTENDED FOR THIS POSTER ONLY

PMs....learn about them - use them.

Otherwise your posts are fair game.

[Phoenix-Talon]

PMs....learn about them - use them.

Otherwise your posts are fair game.

What's wrong with you superpunk! Did you honestly believe I thought no one would intrude. Lol you're funnier than I first anticipated.:rolleyes:

[Waffle]

PMs....learn about them - use them.

Otherwise your posts are fair game.

I'm sure he will claim that he "didn't know what PMs were, or he would have used one to begin with."

[superpunk]

What's wrong with you superpunk! Did you honestly believe I thought no one would intrude. Lol you're funnier than I first anticipated.:rolleyes:

I'm just looking out for you, little fella....

[REDVOLUTION]

As an Eagle fan, I can tell you that chemistry ...or the lack thereof, can be the kiss of death to a football franchise.

That said, the compilation of players whose combined efforts are collaborated for the purpose of winning on a field of competition can be greatly thwarted by external (media) and internal entities (disruptive players).

Many believe that unlike Andy Reid, Bill Parcells purportedly runs a tight ship. Perhaps. That could be demonstrated in 2006 keeping certain volitile players under control. Believe me you, history has shown that if player disruptive behavior is not identified in their respective contracts, it should be.

Bottom line is that team chemistry is a crucial element to a successful team. But how important. What about ...

QB in the Huddle (one voice concept)

QB & WR

WR & WR

QB & OL

QB & C

RB & OL

What about Coach & individual (not collectively) chemistry/relationships?
How critical is it to have a team unscaved by a nuisance media reporter/sports writer who writes derrogatory about every little team-related occurence.

Discussion:

The Eagles managed to get a boatload of bad Publicity last year. While injuries took their toll, many believe that bad press (the soap opera) and chemisty gone bad created situations detrimental to the success of the team. I indorse that sentiment.

I think the Eagles versus Cowboys games (both of them) is going to be a "media circus." I don't think that's going to be good for either team; perhaps a bit more for the Cowboys since the expectation is that the Cowboys will trounce the Eagles.

Since this is the 1st year that the new Touchdown celebration rule will go into effect, all eyes will be focused on those players who traditionally make it a point to creatively "do their thing" in the endzone. Fines, suspensions, yardage penalties and media frenzy is on the menu.

I know how to handle flames, can't we just stick with some football discussion ...your thoughts on this coming Training camp/regular season.

I am not even gonna read your whole post... the title is enough....
something about TO is in there and how our chemistry will be destroyed... well before you make excuses about TO ruining the chemistry the Eagles NEVER had(never won a thing).... no chemistry, didnt win, blame Owens, blame injuries.... just dont blame McNubb

I dont wanna hear it:bang2:

[Doomsday101]

I think team chemistry means a lot. When your winning guys are enjoying themselfs and what they are doing but when you hit a bump in the road during a season or when things are not going good within a game that is when team chemistry matters alot. I want guys pulling together not pointing fingers at each other.

[AsthmaField]

PT... for all of his "pleasant dialoge" and respectful tone in his writing, just can't help himself. It's there, just under the surface... He simply hates the Cowboys.

He can't help starting a thread that questions how TO will effect team chemistry. Oh, he does it in a way that is for the whole team and doesn't name TO specifically... but you know that's what he's getting at. He thinks TO ruined the Eagles season last year and he's hoping like hell that he does the same thing to Dallas. I think his greatest fear is that TO will be a good soldier and help Dallas to a superbowl. That would be the single worst thing that could happen in the NFL as far as PT is concerned.

He loves to hint that Dallas will be destroyed by TO and how important chemistry is to the overall success of a team. He doesn't come out and say it because that isn't his MO. He's a "good" rival fan on the zone and he can't "troll". He has to make it look like it's a viable subject that he wants intelligent responses for... but deep down he's simply going, "TO broke the Eagles and I can't wait until he breaks the Cowboys!"

He hates seeing us happy with TO in the fold. He hates that TO is being a good teammate. He hates that the media is saying TO will help us win. It just kills him, so he needs to remind us in subtle or not so subtle ways that things could go really wrong with TO.

It's kind of funny really... and predictable.

[Phoenix-Talon]

I am not even gonna read your whole post...
I dont wanna hear it

Correction ...you don't want to read it! Because if you did you'd know that there's no blame. All that's history. The only thing that's relevant is the 2006 Regular season, and the 2-times the Eagles play the Cowboys. That's football!

[Phoenix-Talon]

I think team chemistry means a lot. When your winning guys are enjoying themselfs and what they are doing but when you hit a bump in the road during a season or when things are not going good within a game that is when team chemistry matters alot. I want guys pulling together not pointing fingers at each other.

Dd101, I think you may have come closest to answering the question regarding chemistry. Would you agree that all teams have chemistry. The strenght of that chemstry is measured when the team hits those "bumps" you mentioned. During winning times, that chemistry is not put to the test.

That's a good assessment. Thanks

[2233boys]

Dd101, I think you may have come closest to answering the question regarding chemistry. Would you agree that all teams have chemistry. The strenght of that chemstry is measured when the team hits those "bumps" you mentioned. During winning times, that chemistry is not put to the test.

That's a good assessment. Thanks
As I said before, The Eagles problems started and ended with McNabb ineffectiveness. TO had nothing to do with McNabb playing like crap... Was he a distraction, I am sure he was. A bigger Distraction was the crappy play from under center, and a suspect D

[Phoenix-Talon]

As I said before, The Eagles problems started and ended with McNabb ineffectiveness. TO had nothing to do with McNabb playing like crap... Was he a distraction, I am sure he was. A bigger Distraction was the crappy play from under center, and a suspect D

You sound like you've really got a handle on the Eagles problems in 2005 ...do you think we should have gone after a QB in the off season?;)

[5Stars]

PT... for all of his "pleasant dialoge" and respectful tone in his writing, just can't help himself. It's there, just under the surface... He simply hates the Cowboys.

He can't help starting a thread that questions how TO will effect team chemistry. Oh, he does it in a way that is for the whole team and doesn't name TO specifically... but you know that's what he's getting at. He thinks TO ruined the Eagles season last year and he's hoping like hell that he does the same thing to Dallas. I think his greatest fear is that TO will be a good soldier and help Dallas to a superbowl. That would be the single worst thing that could happen in the NFL as far as PT is concerned.

He loves to hint that Dallas will be destroyed by TO and how important chemistry is to the overall success of a team. He doesn't come out and say it because that isn't his MO. He's a "good" rival fan on the zone and he can't "troll". He has to make it look like it's a viable subject that he wants intelligent responses for... but deep down he's simply going, "TO broke the Eagles and I can't wait until he breaks the Cowboys!"

He hates seeing us happy with TO in the fold. He hates that TO is being a good teammate. He hates that the media is saying TO will help us win. It just kills him, so he needs to remind us in subtle or not so subtle ways that things could go really wrong with TO.

It's kind of funny really... and predictable.

You notice he does not respond to your post?

There are several other posts that "caught him" and his veiled posts, and he does not respond to them either...:cool:

:lmao:

[lurkercowboy]

You did indeed sweep the injured Eagles 2nd string, but "successful year?" Winning Record? Did I miss something? Didn't you guys come in next to last place? Didn't you miss the Playoffs too. Aren't your standards higher than next to last place in the NFC-East?

An Eagles fan talking about high standards?

:trophy:

I do salute your intellect however. F. Scott Fitzgerald famously said "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

I must not possess first-rate intelligence because I just can't handle thinking of the Eagles and high standards at the same time. It just doesn't work for me!

[lspain1]

PT... for all of his "pleasant dialoge" and respectful tone in his writing, just can't help himself. It's there, just under the surface... He simply hates the Cowboys.

He can't help starting a thread that questions how TO will effect team chemistry. Oh, he does it in a way that is for the whole team and doesn't name TO specifically... but you know that's what he's getting at. He thinks TO ruined the Eagles season last year and he's hoping like hell that he does the same thing to Dallas. I think his greatest fear is that TO will be a good soldier and help Dallas to a superbowl. That would be the single worst thing that could happen in the NFL as far as PT is concerned.

He loves to hint that Dallas will be destroyed by TO and how important chemistry is to the overall success of a team. He doesn't come out and say it because that isn't his MO. He's a "good" rival fan on the zone and he can't "troll". He has to make it look like it's a viable subject that he wants intelligent responses for... but deep down he's simply going, "TO broke the Eagles and I can't wait until he breaks the Cowboys!"

He hates seeing us happy with TO in the fold. He hates that TO is being a good teammate. He hates that the media is saying TO will help us win. It just kills him, so he needs to remind us in subtle or not so subtle ways that things could go really wrong with TO.

It's kind of funny really... and predictable.


PT is an Eagles fan after a tough year. He is much less tiresome than the infestation of Redskins fans that have come in here after last season so I give him a pass in this type of thing. The subject matter of this thread is also understandable after last season. You really have to feel sorry for PT after all....he is an Eagle's fan.:trophy: :p:

Now, concerning the subject of the thread, I think TO may indeed cause the Cowboys problems, just not this year. Players caused chemistry and distraction problems on the Cowboys under Tom Landry. Roger Staubach has recounted issues with Duane Thomas in particular that hurt the team.

Perhaps Tom Landry said it best about chemistry...

"One of the great things about football is the closeness, the camaraderie, that you can't get anywhere else. When we got into the locker room, I was thrilled watching those players celebrate. It was like a 1,000-pound weight had been taken off their backs. To see people struggle so hard to achieve and then achieve, it was a thrill."

It is impossible to achieve the camaraderie mentioned by Landry if you have chemistry and locker room issues on a team. Landry also said when asked about problem players....

"If I have a weakness, it may be that I'm too compassionate. I give people a chance to see whether they can turn it around. It didn't work out for me too often."

Based upon these statements, I conclude that chemistry means a lot...and you must act quickly when a problem player disrupts the team.

[Phoenix-Talon]

I do salute your intellect however. F. Scott Fitzgerald famously said "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."


Someone once said that "One of the greatest lessons in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" ...Winston Churchill




(http://www.quotedb.com/authors/winston-churchill)

[Phoenix-Talon]

[quote=lspain1]PT is an Eagles fan after a tough year. He is much less tiresome than the infestation of Redskins fans that have come in here after last season so I give him a pass in this type of thing. The subject matter of this thread is also understandable after last season. You really have to feel sorry for PT after all....he is an Eagle's fan.

Correction Ispain1 ...a dedicated Eagles Fan!;)



Now, concerning the subject of the thread, I think TO may indeed cause the Cowboys problems, just not this year. Players caused chemistry and distraction problems on the Cowboys under Tom Landry. Roger Staubach has recounted issues with Duane Thomas in particular that hurt the team.

Perhaps Tom Landry said it best about chemistry
Based upon these statements, I conclude that chemistry means a lot...and you must act quickly when a problem player disrupts the team.

Very nicely said Ispain1. Several posterson this thread believe that I have an Ulterior motive, that I am really cloaking the statement that I really want to make, and that my underlying objective is really to show my distain about TO. While it is true that I do have distain about Terrell Owens, your post qualifies the response that I was trying to get. I agree with Tom and you. Thanks.

PT

[CrazyCowboy]

Seems to win the Super Bowl....all those Champions had team chemistry. The beagles are a bad example.......no championships.

[Doomsday101]

Dd101, I think you may have come closest to answering the question regarding chemistry. Would you agree that all teams have chemistry. The strenght of that chemstry is measured when the team hits those "bumps" you mentioned. During winning times, that chemistry is not put to the test.

That's a good assessment. Thanks

True, I played sports on teams where the chemistry was very good guys worked with each other and encouraged one another and you don't realize until you hit the tough times and see guys covering each others backs. I have also played on teams where when things go wrong certain guys would get into the finger pointing and was more concerned with themselves than the team. As one of my former coaches told us, it is easy to be a good teammate when things are going good but you find the true character of a team when things go bad.

[Phoenix-Talon]

As one of my former coaches told us, it is easy to be a good teammate when things are going good but you find the true character of a team when things go bad.

Exactly!

[WoodysGirl]

Seems to win the Super Bowl....all those Champions had team chemistry. The beagles are a bad example.......no championships.I love that logic... :laugh2:

:trophy:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Someone once said that "One of the greatest lessons in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" ...Winston Churchill




(http://www.quotedb.com/authors/winston-churchill)

Winston Churchill believed in reincarnation and that his mother, deceased, still slept by his side every night.

:p:

[Doomsday101]

Winston Churchill believed in reincarnation and that his mother, deceased, still slept by his side every night.

:p:

Can you prove she didn't? :lmao2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Can you prove she didn't? :lmao2:

Unfortunatly, she is no longer available for comment and the Bat Phone, direct to Ms. Cleo is answering as disconnected so............ no. I can not substantiate this point, at this time.

;)

[Doomsday101]

Unfortunatly, she is no longer available for comment and the Bat Phone, direct to Ms. Cleo is answering as disconnected so............ no. I can not substantiate this point, at this time.

;)

If Winston saw her that is all that matters, it was his mum after all. God love the British. :laugh1:

[lurkercowboy]

Winston Churchill believed in reincarnation and that his mother, deceased, still slept by his side every night.

:p:


Well, everyone has a few little quirks...

[MONT17]

2 reasons why TO will be better in DALLAS!!!


1) the PUB he commands will allow the young talent to fly under the radar without being noticed.

2) His Work ethic in practice will rub off on the young guys and PARCELLS will be able to push them even harder in practice!!!



2 reasons why TO failed in PHILLY


1) the amount of money McD was being paid compared to the other players and their performance (Super Bowl not withstanding)!!!

2) TO was given too much credit to a team full of VETs that had alot of success without him!!!