Can't bear to be silent anymore.

[nathanlt]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

[gbrittain]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

Shooo...just what I needed. A real pick me up.

[The30YardSlant]

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive.

I couldnt agree more, but you know what, I'll get over it if we have a 6th Lombardi next January

I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

I highly doubt that

[lspain1]

Wow....TO has ruined the Cowboys and he hasn't played a down yet. I guess Nathanlt is rueing the day.

[bbgun]

Prepare to be flamed by the apologists. Don't you realize that TO is a great guy now and everything is forgiven??

[The30YardSlant]

NFL franchises are in the business of winning. I dont like the move, but I understand the reasoning. If you care about morality and loyalty stick to college ball (which is better than the NFL IMO for the reasons mentioned)

[nathanlt]

NFL franchises are in the business of winning. I dont like the move, but I understand the reasoning. If you care about morality and loyalty stick to college ball (which is better than the NFL IMO for the reasons mentioned)

Ok, where do you start after being a one sport, one team fan for 27 years? Where? No team can ever replace the Cowboys for me. None.

[SupermanXx]

complete waste of time thread.

you call yourself a fan of 27 years but because of one player whom you happen not to like, you're going to completely quit watching and supporting?

why are you a fan in the first place? because you want to see the Boys win games and Super Bowls, or because you want every player on the team to have saved an old lady from a burning building while curing cancer and praising God before?

If I were a mod, I'd make a seperate forum called "most insignificant thread ever" and stick this one in there.

[The30YardSlant]

Ok, where do you start after being a one sport, one team fan for 27 years? Where? No team can ever replace the Cowboys for me. None.

You should try watching NCAA football. The NFL pales in comparison, especially the in-person experiance. The gameday atmospheres at places like Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, etc. are simply unspeakable.

Its also nice to see players playing it for the love of the game, as most will never set foot in the NFL.

[Hostile]

Hi Nate. Took you long enough to post again.

I'll tell you now what I told you the first time you dropped this little bomb. You're giving Terrell Owens more power, not taking it away from him. This is a self defeating tantrum. It's built to fail.

By saying he can keep you away from the team you love you're admitting he's closer to that team than you are.

Maybe it's just me, but I'll allow no man to be my master like that. I'll never wear someone else's chains. Unfortunately that's exactly what you're doing...again.

[J-DOG]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!
You obviously HATE Terrell Owens more than you LOVE the Cowboys.
That's pretty sad in my opinion.
I will not let one player or one incident destroy my joy of watching and rooting for the Cowboys every Sunday.
I love football to much and I am a die-hard fan who will be with them thru thick and thin.
You complain about the roster turnover??? Yo man, get with the program dude!
This aint the Landry dynasty days!
This is the salary cap era and either you adapt to the times or you get swallowed up!
This is bandwagon/front runner fan.
If you don't think so then read my first sentence and tell me who wins out?

[ConcordCowboy]

I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.


You should add not reading or posting on any Cowboys forum too.

Love T.O. on the Team and can't wait to see him play.

I'd sell your soul to the Devil for the 6th Trophy.

[nathanlt]

You should try watching NCAA football. The NFL pales in comparison, especially the in-person experiance. The gameday atmospheres at places like Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, etc. are simply unspeakable.

Its also nice to see players playing it for the love of the game, as most will never set foot in the NFL.

Thanks for the encouragement. Love of the game... I miss that.

[ConcordCowboy]

You should try watching NCAA football. The NFL pales in comparison, especially the in-person experiance. The gameday atmospheres at places like Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, etc. are simply unspeakable.

Its also nice to see players playing it for the love of the game, as most will never set foot in the NFL.

Now you're talking!:D

[GTaylor]

If I were a mod, I'd make a seperate forum called "most insignificant thread ever" and stick this one in there.
Along with that add the 10,000 threads that gripe about the media not giving TO a clean slate. He wants a clean slate, own up to his problems instead of blaming everyone else but himself!

I hated the signing (Still do), will cheer the star but never the player in the jersey, and yes Jones sold out, just like he did in 95. Let us hope this team doesn't repeat the slide that occured in the years afterwards.

[BigDFan5]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!


So much for credibility

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=784466&postcount=37


That is why, effective immediately, I am not watching the Cowboys, or posting on this board, until T.O. is gone. I request that the mods send an email notifying me when he is no longer on our roster, so that I can resume watching the games, and following the team. I love my Cowboys, I won’t watch them be torn apart by this spoiled brat.

[Double Trouble]

You'll be missed....

[The30YardSlant]

Now you're talking!:D

I had the pleasure of going to an OSU/Michigan in the Shoe back in 1998

WOW, I have never seen anything like it, even down here in texas. You guys REALLY hate each other.

[nathanlt]

Hi Nate. Took you long enough to post again.

I'll tell you now what I told you the first time you dropped this little bomb. You're giving Terrell Owens more power, not taking it away from him. This is a self defeating tantrum. It's built to fail.

By saying he can keep you away from the team you love you're admitting he's closer to that team than you are.

Maybe it's just me, but I'll allow no man to be my master like that. I'll never wear someone else's chains. Unfortunately that's exactly what you're doing...again.

There's no fun in the Cowboys because of him. This has nothing to do with the hypocrite story which was very powerful in your life, but has no parallel in watching football. He's closer to the team than I am? Of course he is, he's wearing a jersey. Trouble is, that's not the team I knew.

And I'm giving t.o. no power, no money, no revenue from me. That's all he cares about. If all Dallas fans refused to watch until t.o. was off the team would that force Jerry to cut him and NOT increase his power or his money.

But today's Dallas fans aren't loyal to their own star. Someone can take a dump on it, and today's fans will overlook it if the individual has talent.

[nathanlt]

So much for credibility

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=784466&postcount=37

I knew you were waiting for me, Big49erFan5, I need to blow off some steam! You've obviously gotten over 49er players desecrating the star.

[zrinkill]

But today's Dallas fans aren't loyal to their own star.

What does irony mean? ;)

[superpunk]

Adios....don't let the door hit ya....

[MONT17]

how does 1 person destroy a team? thats a cop out what did he do in SF that was soo bad besides act a fool!!! what did he do in PHILLY beside want more money???


I dont like MeO but to say he DESTROYED a team is almost laughable!!! these teams have weak structures that begin with ownership!!!

[GTaylor]

But today's Dallas fans aren't loyal to their own star. Someone can take a dump on it, and today's fans will overlook it if the individual has talent.
And this is new?? How many people cheered Hollywood Henderson in the 70s? How many cheered Irvin who made the infamous quote of "All you have to do is score a few tds and they'll forgive your off-field issues"? How many people jeered Deion as a 49er only to cheer as a Cowboy (I'm raising my hand).

Not just the Cowboys, I could easily point out 10 teams that you can say the same thing about, in truth you could probably name all teams and they're guilty of the same.

[nathanlt]

What does irony mean? ;)

loyalty to the star means you defend it and view those who desecrate it as enemies.

There is no irony in that, unless you welcome the 49er who stood on it.

[BigDFan5]

I knew you were waiting for me, Big49erFan5, I need to blow off some steam! You've obviously gotten over 49er players desecrating the star.

LMAO I am not the one bailing on my favorite team bud, that is you. See unlike you TO does not control my emotions. I didnt want him here. I made that known. He was signed and instead of crying and bailing on my team I am here to support my team and hope for the best. He IS a Dallas Cowboy like it or not. I will not abandon my team because of how I feel about 1 of 53 guys.

[The30YardSlant]

So much for credibility

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=784466&postcount=37

Ouch...

[nathanlt]

Adios....don't let the door hit ya....

nice sig, by the way... It's tough to make me chuckle when I'm this angry.

[The30YardSlant]

I knew you were waiting for me, Big49erFan5, I need to blow off some steam! You've obviously gotten over 49er players desecrating the star.

Double ouch...

[Nav22]

Its also nice to see players playing it for the love of the game, as most will never set foot in the NFL.
Because they're not good enough. Call me crazy, but I'd rather watch the BEST the sport has to offer.

Same reason I prefer the NBA to the WNBA. And men's soccer to women's soccer.

[BigDFan5]

loyalty to the star means you defend it and view those who desecrate it as enemies.

There is no irony in that, unless you welcome the 49er who stood on it.

Loyalty mean you do not abandon it. You my friend are the opposite of loyal. 53 guys make a team and because you dislike 1, you abandon the other 52. Not only that but you give a huge holier than thou speech about not coming back ntil he is gone, and look here you are. You couldnt even make it through the offseason without coming back.

[superpunk]

nice sig, by the way... It's tough to make me chuckle when I'm this angry.

The time for ire was a few months ago. We've moved on to acceptance.

[zrinkill]

loyalty to the star means you defend it and view those who desecrate it as enemies.

There is no irony in that, unless you welcome the 49er who stood on it.

If you abandon "you're team" because they picked up one guy who you dont like .......... then cry about people not "defending" the star.

Thats Irony ............ and a little sad

[superpunk]

43 guys make a team and because you dislike 1, you abandon the other 52.

:confused: 2+2=5

[BigDFan5]

Ouch...

BigDfan5 loves him some advance search :lmao2:

[The30YardSlant]

Because they're not good enough. Call me crazy, but I'd rather watch the BEST the sport has to offer.

Same reason I prefer the NBA to the WNBA. And men's soccer to women's soccer.

College football is football in is truest form. I like the NFL, but it's just a bunch of professionals working for a paycheck.

[BigDFan5]

:confused: 2+2=5

haha thanks, I have fat fingers

[Joe Rod]

No disrespect, but it sounds like the season can't start fast enough for you. Funny thread though!

[Nav22]

College football is football in is truest form. I like the NFL, but it's just a bunch of professionals working for a paycheck.
Okay. So am I right to assume you also prefer college b-ball to the NBA? And college baseball to the MLB? And college hockey to the NHL?

[nathanlt]

LMAO I am not the one bailing on my favorite team bud, that is you. See unlike you TO does not control my emotions. I didnt want him here. I made that known. He was signed and instead of crying and bailing on my team I am here to support my team and hope for the best. He IS a Dallas Cowboy like it or not. I will not abandon my team because of how I feel about 1 of 53 guys.

Look, I shouldn't have said you were a 49er fan... but man, I'm serious, wake up!! Today's Dallas fans have continued to cheer for the Cowboys. It won't be long until you're cheering for him! You're gonna be a t.o. fan if you continue this way.

I WON'T cross that line! I'm not going to get close to it. That guy is an imbecile!

[zrinkill]

College football is football in is truest form. I like the NFL, but it's just a bunch of professionals working for a paycheck.


:lmao2: :lmao: :laugh1: :lmao2:

Yea those kids sure arent working for a future paycheck are they?
How many millions do those kids straight out of school get as their first paycheck?

Give me a break, its only about the love of the game to highschool and junior high kids.

[Pokes28]

Let me respond to your primary post in bits:

As for T.O. - I'd say that most of us do not like TO. Of course we respect what he brings to the field and I'll never forget what he did while in the 9er jersey. However, you do know that in his mind he wasn't dumping on the star, he was basically putting himself on the star. In a sick and twisted perspective, he was appreciating the logo. But I'm like most people that wasn't wanting him on the team, but once he's signed, trying to do all we can to put the best face on things.

As for the turnover in the last 5 years... Don't you think it was needed? Personally, when I look back at some of the names that were on the squad even 3 years ago, I'm amazed that we won the games that we did. From an athletic standpoint, there is no way that anybody could look at this roster and compare it to the roster of 5 years ago and not think that it isn't far superior.

You brought up that you can't buy a jersey and expect that player to be on the roster 5 years from now. That has been the case since the start of free agency. Sure you will have guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady that will be with their teams for many many years, but most teams are having severe turnover. If you want a jersey that will still matter in 5 years, buy the jersey of a retired player. Buy a Woodson, Emmitt, Lilly, Randy White, Staubach, etc.

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

[The30YardSlant]

Okay. So am I right to assume you also prefer college b-ball to the NBA? And college baseball to the MLB? And college hockey to the NHL?

I dont watch hockey or baseball at any level, but I do prefer NCAA basketball to the NBA

[The30YardSlant]

:lmao2: :lmao: :laugh1: :lmao2:

Yea those kids sure arent working for a future paycheck are they?
How many millions do those kids straight out of school get as their first paycheck?

Give me a break, its only about the love of the game to highschool and junior high kids.

Most are not

95% of all NCAA football players will never even try to enter the draft, let alone play in the NFL. Most are there playing to pay for school and because they love it.

Trust me, its why I do it (or at least did).

[BigDFan5]

Look, I shouldn't have said you were a 49er fan... but man, I'm serious, wake up!! Today's Dallas fans have continued to cheer for the Cowboys. It won't be long until you're cheering for him! You're gonna be a t.o. fan if you continue this way.

I WON'T cross that line! I'm not going to get close to it. That guy is an imbecile!

I am wide awake, and wearing my Dallas colors. I cheer for laundry brother. I WILL NOT abandon my team of 20 years because of 1 person, no one person has that much control over my life (except my wife)

If you wish to quit on the Cowboys that is your perogative, but don't come here and try to say the ones who do not quit on their team are the unloyal ones. Loyalty is sticking around during the good times AND THE BAD.

[austintodallas]

Adios....don't let the door hit ya....Words out of my mouth. Not sure where you'll be during the SB nathanlt...I'll be cheering on my Boys.

[nathanlt]

If you abandon "you're team" because they picked up one guy who you dont like .......... then cry about people not "defending" the star.

Thats Irony ............ and a little sad

No... you actually need to go get a dictionary for irony... look up "your" as well.

The star is a symbol, the team is becoming a rapid rotation of people through jerseys with stars on them... The star is the only thing constant with the Cowboys. My only recourse to defend the star is to protest T.O. and boycott all his games. That's not irony.

[Shaun]

loyalty to the star means you defend it and view those who desecrate it as enemies.



Roy did shatter his leg. Do you want him to be burned at the stake as well?

[BLEU3ASY]

if you don't cheer for "your" team because they sign a player that you don't like thats sad......in this day of football theres alot of that going.....a roll model player that never does anything wrong might find himself not with the team anymore thats just the way it is...so yeah buying a jersey from a player is a gamble but thats they way it goes...i got like 8 or 9 jerseys only 2 so far aren't there..... D. Sanders...Q. Carter....and Roy W....T New.....2 with my name......and 2 TO jerseys.....all authenic so i know about buying jerseys and the player very well not be there not in 5 years sheesh like 1 or 2....so im gonna cheer for T.O. hes on my team....i don't feel jerry sold out...if he didn't someone else would!!!

[nathanlt]

Cheering for laundry... but you don't care if someone desecrates the star... the only constant in the whole organization.

[nathanlt]

Roy did shatter his leg. Do you want him to be burned at the stake as well?

I want him out of the NFL!!!

[BigDFan5]

Cheering for laundry... but you don't care if someone desecrates the star... the only constant in the whole organization.

Like I said IT IS ONE GUY, I will not abandon the other 52 because of 1.

By all means don't watch ( we all know you will ), and continue to let TO control your life. I won;t let it control mine

[austintodallas]

Cheering for laundry... but you don't care if someone desecrates the star... the only constant in the whole organization.Jerry Jones seems to have gotten over it, what's your deal?

[zrinkill]

No... you actually need to go get a dictionary for irony... look up "your" as well.

The star is a symbol, the team is becoming a rapid rotation of people through jerseys with stars on them... The star is the only thing constant with the Cowboys. My only recourse to defend the star is to protest T.O. and boycott all his games. That's not irony.

Reverted to typing police already huh kid?

I will type real slow for ya ......... how is that?

Its Ironic for someone like you to call others disloyal. Now google away for some typing mistakes to cry about. :p:

[GTaylor]

No... you actually need to go get a dictionary for irony... look up "your" as well.

The star is a symbol, the team is becoming a rapid rotation of people through jerseys with stars on them... The star is the only thing constant with the Cowboys. My only recourse to defend the star is to protest T.O. and boycott all his games. That's not irony.
So answer me this, were you a fan of the 90s team that cheated on their wives, did drugs, slept with prostitutes with a coach that brought a loaded gun to an airport and came from a college full of "Shootin' Rapin' and Dopin'"? Are you proud of those Superbowls that were won with players who broke the law or do you boycott those as well?

Did you cheer Deion as a Cowboy? Haley as a Cowboy? If you answered yes to any of the above than that, is irony.

[gbrittain]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o.,

Did he sell out by keeping a druggie on the team in Michael Irvin? How about when we brought in Charles Haley who had more than worn out his welcome in SF and enjoyed relieving himself on a coach's car?

has already destroyed 2 NFL teams

Care to elaborate? Are we talking one season, a decade, forever, or etc...? No one player can destroy a team. The 49ers can not use TO as an excuse for their ineptitude nor will the Eagles be able to blame any of their short comings this year if they have any on TO.

There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being

He is an idiot, who likes to think about me, me and me. He is hardly the only guy like that in the NFL. When you take into account all the busted drug users, DUIs, DWIs, wife beaters, drug dealers, murderers, and shall I go on. There are guys way worse than TO in the NFL.

I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.

I will do cart-wheels if we win a Super Bowl this year as 99% of most Dallas fans will.

The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster

Thats because we pretty much sucked the last 5 years and that is what teams do when they suck. They try to get rid of the suckage.

The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team.

That is a pretty big generalization that you in no way can substantiate. Has that happened...oh I am sure it has. You probably even know someone who has done just that. I for one have never known any one to do so.

Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing

Loyalty you have at least a leg to stand on, but teamwork and improving player skill out the window. Come on...give me a break.

There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties

No loveable underdogs what does that mean? I really dont get it. Did there used to be a perennial underdog that everyone had a soft spot in their heart for? What did I miss? No champions??? Ok. Not sure what you mean there either. Wasn't Dallas considered a dynasty when they won 3 out of 4
Super Bowls? Didn't the Patriots win 3 out of 4 Super Bowls here recently.

Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it.

Seriously, you are not making sense at all. I guess that is why the Cardinals have won so much here lately.

No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago.

Yeah, there is some truth there. I would not say they would not have a chance, but I would agree that the few elite teams of a decade ago were a little stronger than those now days.

Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems

Skill is not the problem. The NFL has expanded by four teams. That is a lot of talent that has to be spread around. Eliminate four teams today and the talent level and depth quality would increase substantially across the NFL.

I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

You are most certainly entitled to do so, but I think you are letting TO cloud your judgement big time. The NFL is full of bad guys and yes many of them worse than TO. Some of the bad guys you do not even know about. TO just happens to have big talent and one of the bigger mouths in the NFL which will automatically give you lots of attention.

I am not preaching to you and like I just said you are certainly entitled to do whatever you feel you need and want to do. I just think you need to take step back and realize that yes you despise TO personally, but understand that you are not going to let one annoying guy ruin something you love and enjoy very much like the Cowboys.

[SultanOfSix]

Honestly, I have no clue why anyone would write such a diatribe against someone who's never broken the law, but has only got into an issue with two former teams, one because of losing, the other because of management and money (both issues having some legitimacy).

The Star isn't the "cross" or the "star of david" or whatever religious symbol. And last time I checked, it's not like he pulled down his pants and started pissing on it.

I've never disliked TO when he was on the 49ers or the Eagles. He's a football player - not a saint.

Why some of you go overboard is beyond me. Must be some sort of media brainwashing or something.

[The30YardSlant]

Honestly, I have no clue why anyone would write such a diatribe against someone who's never broken the law, but has only got into an issue with two former teams, one because of losing, the other because of management and money (both issues having some legitimacy).

The Star isn't the "cross" or the "star of david" or whatever religious symbol. And last time I checked, it's not like he pulled down his pants and started pissing on it.

I've never disliked TO when he was on the 49ers or the Eagles. He's a football player - not a saint.

Why some of you go overboard is beyond me. Must be some sort of media brainwashing or something.

While you have a point, dont act like you werent laughing your arse off when he did what he did in Philly

[ConcordCowboy]

I had the pleasure of going to an OSU/Michigan in the Shoe back in 1998

WOW, I have never seen anything like it, even down here in texas. You guys REALLY hate each other.

You know I went to last years Monday night Game against the Redskins and it really wasn't even close to the Ohio St vs Michigan games atmosphere.

You've Been to the Shoe so you know what I'm talking about.

And Yes we REALLY hate that Team up North!:D

[gimmesix]

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.

I really don't understand this stand.

Yes, Owens is selfish, self-absorbed, childish, etc., but why would him winning a Super Bowl trophy with Dallas bother you anymore than Irvin winning one ... or Leon Lett ... or any of the Cowboys who helped give Dallas a reputation in the 1990s of being full of criminals?

Do you rail against those players and disown their accomplishments as Cowboys, or is your anger saved only for players who have committed lesser true injustices?

IMO, you should have stopped being a Cowboys fan a long time ago if your criteria is rooting for a team without "problem" players.

[jimmy40]

You should try watching NCAA football. The NFL pales in comparison, especially the in-person experiance. The gameday atmospheres at places like Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, etc. are simply unspeakable.

Its also nice to see players playing it for the love of the game, as most will never set foot in the NFL.As far as atmospheres go Royal Memorial doesn't compare to Kyle Field when the Aggies are going good.

[The30YardSlant]

You know I went to last years Monday night Game against the Redskins and it really wasn't even close to the Ohio St vs Michigan games atmosphere.

You've Been to the Shoe so you know what I'm talking about.

And Yes we REALLY hate that Team up North!:D

Me, my dad, and my uncle (OSU alum) were sitting on the line between a group of OSU fans and a group of Michigan fans

Their verbal bouts were more entertaining than the game itself :laugh2:

[Nav22]

The star is the only thing constant with the Cowboys. My only recourse to defend the star is to protest T.O. and boycott all his games.
You're not protesting "T.O." by not supporting the Cowboys while he's there... you're protesting the Cowboys.

You're not boycotting T.O.'s games... you're boycotting Cowboys games.

"T.O." does NOT equal "Cowboys".

[Tuna Helper]

As far as atmospheres go Royal Memorial doesn't compare to Kyle Field when the Aggies are going good.

yeah, but can you get boozed up there without getting arrested for public drunkeness?

There is no college football atmosphere like LSU, where the tailgating is second to none, and the booze is free.

[Cbz40]

Well Nate you must have mucho self discipline......Not watching the Cowboys???????????


That would be worse than giving up Dr Pepper or a good cold beer on a hot day for a year. That would be even more difficult than giving up sex for any length of time.:)

Not watching the Cowboys?????......Like I said, you must be one tough hombre. ;)

[The30YardSlant]

As far as atmospheres go Royal Memorial doesn't compare to Kyle Field when the Aggies are going good.

This is true

I just hope the Ags give the 12th Man something to cheer about this year

[austintodallas]

As far as atmospheres go Royal Memorial doesn't compare to Kyle Field when the Aggies are going good.:lmao: ...whatever you say.

And it's Darrell K. Royal Texas Memorial Stadium to you my friend.

[Dale]

Here's my question. Did you not embrace Deion, as a self-promotional jack... and ex-Niner?

To me, this signing is no different. As disgraceful as dancing on the star was to all of us, to be honest, I don't ever think that was meant as a "jab" at us. It was all about TO promoting himself, and on what better stage than on the star with Good "looking down"? Am I justifying it? No.

It was insulting. But then so were some of the things Deion did prior to and while being here -- how 'bout his pass interference no-call against Irvin that arguably cost us our, at the time, fifth title?

Did you stop watching when he signed? Do you stop rooting when players who are actual menaces off the field -- ie. accused rapists, murderers, adulterers and drug-snorters -- roamed Texas Stadium?

I ask these questions because, in the grand scheme of things, I don't think T.O.'s actions are worse than those of players we have had in the past -- either in terms of being an actual detriment to society or in terms of "disrespecting" us.

People laughed at us a lot more when our star receiver was being arrested time and time again than they did when they saw TO dance on the star.

And for the record, I supported Deion and Irvin -- Irvin being one of my all-time favorites to watch. So maybe I'm jaded, who knows.

I certainly understand your frustration with TO being here, but like I said, I don't think it's that different from signings/actions we've had in the past.

This business is all about winning. Parcells will and has signed every type of menace "for the right price," and will discard of such players the minute they become disruptive.

[The30YardSlant]

Well Nate you must have mucho self discipline......Not watching the Cowboys???????????


That would be worse than giving up Dr Pepper or a good cold beer on a hot day for a year. That would be even more difficult than giving up sex for any length of time.:)

Not watching the Cowboys?????......Like I said, you must be one tough hombre. ;)

Thanks for that mental image, pops. I just threw up in my mouth a little

:puke:

[The30YardSlant]

:lmao: ...whatever you say.

And it's Darrell K. Royal Texas Memorial Stadium to you my friend.

Texas is getting almost as bad as Tceh these days. What is it now, Jones SBC Memorial @ Pizza Hut Park? :lmao:

And if you had been at the Texas game in 1999, you wouldnt be laughing

[jimmy40]

:lmao: ...whatever you say.

And it's Darrell K. Royal Texas Memorial Stadium to you my friend.Been a Longhorn fan since '69. How about you?

Doesn't change the fact that Aggie fans at Kyle Field when the Aggies are going good blow away Longhorn fans at Royal Memorial. That's a fact.

[Hostile]

There's no fun in the Cowboys because of him. This has nothing to do with the hypocrite story which was very powerful in your life, but has no parallel in watching football. He's closer to the team than I am? Of course he is, he's wearing a jersey. Trouble is, that's not the team I knew.

And I'm giving t.o. no power, no money, no revenue from me. That's all he cares about. If all Dallas fans refused to watch until t.o. was off the team would that force Jerry to cut him and NOT increase his power or his money.

But today's Dallas fans aren't loyal to their own star. Someone can take a dump on it, and today's fans will overlook it if the individual has talent.You're missing the point, what he's taking from you is 27 years.

That's simply too much power to give any man nate.

Dallas fans are not going to join your cult of anti-TO. You'd have better luck trying to reverse the flow of the Mississippi River.

I am more loyal to the star than you are, because no one can take it away from me. You'll allow it to be taken pretty easily. I'm sorry, that's just the truth in bare naked color.

[The30YardSlant]

Been a Longhorn fan since '69. How about you?

Doesn't change the fact that Aggie fans at Kyle Field when the Aggies are going good blow away Longhorn fans at Royal Memorial. That's a fact.

I think it has more to do with organization than anything. 85,000 people yelling is nice, but 85,000 people yelling the exact same thing at the exact same time is LOUD.

Texas is loud, they just dont have yell leaders to organize everyone at once. And believe it or not, opposing teams players say that all the white towels waving is a serious distraction. Brett Farve said it made him naseous

[austintodallas]

Been a Longhorn fan since '69. How about you?

Doesn't change the fact that Aggie fans at Kyle Field when the Aggies are going good blow away Longhorn fans at Royal Memorial. That's a fact.'92 UT Grad. Been to a handful of games in College Station. No disrespect to you...just think we can hang with 'em.

[jimmy40]

I think it has more to do with organization than anything. 85,000 people yelling is nice, but 85,000 people yelling the exact same thing at the exact same time is LOUD.

Texas is loud, they just dont have yell leaders to organize everyone at once. And believe it or not, opposing teams players say that all the white towels waving is a serious distraction. Brett Farve said it made him naseousI used to work with a guy that played for Baylor about 6-7 years ago and he said the head coach told them not to look up at the croud. Lol.

[Hostile]

No... you actually need to go get a dictionary for irony... look up "your" as well.

The star is a symbol, the team is becoming a rapid rotation of people through jerseys with stars on them... The star is the only thing constant with the Cowboys. My only recourse to defend the star is to protest T.O. and boycott all his games. That's not irony.You're right, it isn't irony, it's self flattery and tilting at windmills.

[jimmy40]

I think it has more to do with organization than anything. 85,000 people yelling is nice, but 85,000 people yelling the exact same thing at the exact same time is LOUD.

Texas is loud, they just dont have yell leaders to organize everyone at once. And believe it or not, opposing teams players say that all the white towels waving is a serious distraction. Brett Farve said it made him naseousI went to see A&M play Southern Miss a few years ago and sat in one of the private boxes (Coca Cola function) and it was really strange because you couldn't hear the crowd at all inside that box.

[BigDFan5]

I am more loyal to the star than you are, because no one can take it away from me. You'll allow it to be taken pretty easily. I'm sorry, that's just the truth in bare naked color.

:hammer:

[The30YardSlant]

I went to see A&M play Southern Miss a few years ago and sat in one of the private boxes (Coca Cola function) and it was really strange because you couldn't hear the crowd at all inside that box.

Yeah, they added thick glass to the press boxes and such back in the early 90s because the stadium was so loud you couldnt hear the radio guys or commentators on TV.

[gbrittain]

You're missing the point, what he's taking from you is 27 years.

That's simply too much power to give any man nate.

Dallas fans are not going to join your cult of anti-TO. You'd have better luck trying to reverse the flow of the Mississippi River.

I am more loyal to the star than you are, because no one can take it away from me. You'll allow it to be taken pretty easily. I'm sorry, that's just the truth in bare naked color.

If I quit or disowned everything in my life that had bad characters, selfishnes, hypocrites, idiots, criminals, liers, drunks, druggies, cheaters, and you name it; I would have to quit my job, quit my church, quit posting here, quit voting, and I could keep going on but I shall not bore you all.

[nathanlt]

You have some good points about the Cowboys morality in the early 90's. It was not stellar... I was mostly ignorant of it, not nearly as in tuned with the day to day happenings like I am now in today's internet age. Cowboys in the past who were thugs and punks were mostly role players who didn't last very long. I never really was a fan of Deion, but I never disliked him too much... he was just a showboat. I view the morality deficiencies of previous Cowboys players, role players and stars, as a result of human nature when corrupted with money and ego.

t.o. is the only player to stand on the star and mock 55,000 Dallas fans and players, he mocked Emmitt and all the rest of the team, he mocked the ring of honor, he mocked Texas Stadium, all of it. He personally put himself above everything that the Dallas Cowboys are about. Once you cross that line, you don't deserve to be in the NFL, much less in a Cowboys uniform.

I know that football isn't everything in life, I'm spending a lot less time on this board than I ever used to. I'm getting a great deal of enjoyment watching my daughter grow up and enjoying a wonderful summer here in Alaska.

But I'll tell you this, in the corner of my life where football lives, I am absolutely ridding myself of t.o. being associated with the Cowboys. It's brought my enthusiasm for the Cowboys to zero. And I don't understand why anyone in this chatroom stays with a team that has no self-respect. You've all given, well, fairly reasonable opinions about one man isn't going to ruin the team, and all that, but... The Cowboys are sellouts today. When t.o. leaves, I'm going to try to forget that these coming years are even part of the Cowboys history.

[Dale]

If I quit disowned everything in my life that had bad characters, selfishnes, hypocrites, idiots, criminals, liers, drunks, druggies, cheaters, and you name it; I would have to quit my job, quit my church, quit posting here, quit voting, and I could keep going on but I shall not bore you all.

Ouch. :laugh2:

[BigDFan5]

You have some good points about the Cowboys morality in the early 90's. It was not stellar... I was mostly ignorant of it, not nearly as in tuned with the day to day happenings like I am now in today's internet age. Cowboys in the past who were thugs and punks were mostly role players who didn't last very long. I never really was a fan of Deion, but I never disliked him too much... he was just a showboat. I view the morality deficiencies of previous Cowboys players, role players and stars, as a result of human nature when corrupted with money and ego.

t.o. is the only player to stand on the star and mock 55,000 Dallas fans and players, he mocked Emmitt and all the rest of the team, he mocked the ring of honor, he mocked Texas Stadium, all of it. He personally put himself above everything that the Dallas Cowboys are about. Once you cross that line, you don't deserve to be in the NFL, much less in a Cowboys uniform.

I know that football isn't everything in life, I'm spending a lot less time on this board than I ever used to. I'm getting a great deal of enjoyment watching my daughter grow up and enjoying a wonderful summer here in Alaska.

But I'll tell you this, in the corner of my life where football lives, I am absolutely ridding myself of t.o. being associated with the Cowboys. It's brought my enthusiasm for the Cowboys to zero. And I don't understand why anyone in this chatroom stays with a team that has no self-respect. You've all given, well, fairly reasonable opinions about one man isn't going to ruin the team, and all that, but... The Cowboys are sellouts today. When t.o. leaves, I'm going to try to forget that these coming years are even part of the Cowboys history.


So you forgive any transgression made by any player to ever play for the Cowboys. Druggies, adulterists, bad character guys, but TO standing on the star is where you draw the line? Do you know how hypocritical that sounds?

[gbrittain]

Ouch. :laugh2:

Trust me...I know me!:D

[Spirit Warrior]

Ok, where do you start after being a one sport, one team fan for 27 years? Where? No team can ever replace the Cowboys for me. None.
Hollywood Henderson, Duane Thomas, Michael Irvin, Mark Tuinei.......maybe you should have stopped rooting for this team way back then.

Fact is, T.O. doesn't get into trouble off the field with things like drugs. Show me on NFL franchise that doesn't have at least one malcontent or player that's had legal or drug problems. This is a league comprised of mature individuals - not the Pee Wee League.

[The30YardSlant]

85 posts in 90 minutes, that has to be a record of some kind

[nathanlt]

You're missing the point, what he's taking from you is 27 years.

That's simply too much power to give any man nate.

Dallas fans are not going to join your cult of anti-TO. You'd have better luck trying to reverse the flow of the Mississippi River.

I am more loyal to the star than you are, because no one can take it away from me. You'll allow it to be taken pretty easily. I'm sorry, that's just the truth in bare naked color.


I'm loyal to the star, but the thought of watching t.o play in a Dallas uniform is ZERO fun. None. It's a chore. It's drudgery and frustration. I'm not going to subject myself to that.

But clearly, I'm not going to convince anyone on this board how much things have changed.

That's why I never should have broken my silence. It was pointless. My mistake.

[CIWhitefish]

You're right, it isn't irony, it's self flattery and tilting at windmills.

Ah... a DQ reference. I like.

The whole I hate TO thing is incredibly silly. Would people be all in a tissy if we signed Ray Lewis? He was actually accused of a crime. What has TO ever really done? Did he eat your children? He's a shamless self promoter and wants $ and the ball. Sounds like NFL WR 101 to me. Dallas did not sell their soul. (Jeez that's over used) They got the best WR avail. Sounds like a good thing to me. Oh, and get over the star thing. I did the minute we defended it.

[Mansta54]

complete waste of time thread.

you call yourself a fan of 27 years but because of one player whom you happen not to like, you're going to completely quit watching and supporting?

why are you a fan in the first place? because you want to see the Boys win games and Super Bowls, or because you want every player on the team to have saved an old lady from a burning building while curing cancer and praising God before?

If I were a mod, I'd make a seperate forum called "most insignificant thread ever" and stick this one in there.







:hammer:

[2233boys]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!
Grow up and shut up you fricking baby. I guess you weren't ever really a fan then... No one man is greater than the organization, not Tony Doresett, Not Emmitt Smith, Not Tom Landry, Not Bill Parcells, not Jerry Jones, and ceretainly not TO... If you stop liking the Cowboys because of him signing in Dallas, you were never a real fan of the Dallas Cowboys and you are an idiot poiser.

By the way, see you the Cowboys don't need loser "fans" like you...

[BigDFan5]

But clearly, I'm not going to convince anyone on this board how much things have changed.


Because as of right now, nothing has changed. The Cowboys are still there, and we will be cheering them on. Where will you be?

[gbrittain]

So you forgive any transgression made by any player to ever play for the Cowboys. Druggies, adulterists, bad character guys, but TO standing on the star is where you draw the line? Do you know how hypocritical that sounds?

Yeah, that simply baffles my mind. Ask Michael Irvin's wife what she thinks is worse, doing coke with a couple of hookers or standing on the star at midfield with your arms outstretched in celebration? We should ask the police the same question?

I have no idea which one they think might be worse? Let me ponder...

[Mansta54]

:hammer: You should add not reading or posting on any Cowboys forum too.

Love T.O. on the Team and can't wait to see him play.

I'd sell your soul to the Devil for the 6th Trophy.

[Dale]

You have some good points about the Cowboys morality in the early 90's. It was not stellar... I was mostly ignorant of it, not nearly as in tuned with the day to day happenings like I am now in today's internet age. Cowboys in the past who were thugs and punks were mostly role players who didn't last very long. I never really was a fan of Deion, but I never disliked him too much... he was just a showboat. I view the morality deficiencies of previous Cowboys players, role players and stars, as a result of human nature when corrupted with money and ego.

t.o. is the only player to stand on the star and mock 55,000 Dallas fans and players, he mocked Emmitt and all the rest of the team, he mocked the ring of honor, he mocked Texas Stadium, all of it. He personally put himself above everything that the Dallas Cowboys are about. Once you cross that line, you don't deserve to be in the NFL, much less in a Cowboys uniform.

I know that football isn't everything in life, I'm spending a lot less time on this board than I ever used to. I'm getting a great deal of enjoyment watching my daughter grow up and enjoying a wonderful summer here in Alaska.

But I'll tell you this, in the corner of my life where football lives, I am absolutely ridding myself of t.o. being associated with the Cowboys. It's brought my enthusiasm for the Cowboys to zero. And I don't understand why anyone in this chatroom stays with a team that has no self-respect. You've all given, well, fairly reasonable opinions about one man isn't going to ruin the team, and all that, but... The Cowboys are sellouts today. When t.o. leaves, I'm going to try to forget that these coming years are even part of the Cowboys history.

I know I'm connecting dots here and are not quoting you, but it seems like you're saying "mocking" the star is a worse offense than some of those other deviant acts you referenced.

You have cheered rapists, murderers, etc., because it represents a mere flaw in human nature. But, dammit, embarrass the Cowboys in any form or fashion and they should be shunned.

I dunno. Again, I understand where you're coming from -- his actions embarrassed you and mocked the team you loved; now, you refuse to cheer for him for that reason -- but I guess I just don't see things from that standpoint.

I feel worse about myself and my inner beliefs when cheering a guy I know I would detest if not for wearing the star (ie. players who are criminals) than I do rooting for a guy who may be a fart, but has never done anything to harm society.

To me, TO is more a product of a player being jaded by the money and fame offered to football players than a lot of the criminals you excused for that same reason.

And Nathan, I agree with Hostile's stance on giving up your fandom due to the presence of one player. It's obvious the Cowboys are, and have been, a part of your life. You'll surrender that for a guy you hate, while saying you're making a statement by refusing to support said player? Seems like even now, TO is controlling you more than he is any of us.

[Roughneck]

I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!BS

When the Preseason/Season Starts, you will be watching just like everybody else.

It's already been proven once on this thread that you don't keep your word (at least on message boards) so cool off and go read a book or something. Just don't play that "I'm not paying attention" card because it doesn't fool anyone.

[Mansta54]

There's no fun in the Cowboys because of him. This has nothing to do with the hypocrite story which was very powerful in your life, but has no parallel in watching football. He's closer to the team than I am? Of course he is, he's wearing a jersey. Trouble is, that's not the team I knew.

And I'm giving t.o. no power, no money, no revenue from me. That's all he cares about. If all Dallas fans refused to watch until t.o. was off the team would that force Jerry to cut him and NOT increase his power or his money.

But today's Dallas fans aren't loyal to their own star. Someone can take a dump on it, and today's fans will overlook it if the individual has talent.





What a RIDICULOUS statement.. Unbelievable!!!!!

[The30YardSlant]

BS

When the Preseason/Season Starts, you will be watching just like everybody else.

It's already been proven once on this thread that you don't keep your word (at least on message boards) so cool off and go read a book or something. Just don't play that "I'm not paying attention" card because it doesn't fool anyone.

http://blog.mediacatalyst.com/images/seriousbusiness.jpg

[Hostile]

yeah, but can you get boozed up there without getting arrested for public drunkeness?

There is no college football atmosphere like LSU, where the tailgating is second to none, and the booze is free.Where the hell have you been for the last 3 months?

Laron Landry TH.

[Dale]

You know, had TO literally Najeh'ed on the star, I would have been much more offended than I was that day (and I was offended as it was).

[The30YardSlant]

Just because this thread has everything else...

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/2723/jesushealsblindmanlol8ko9jn.jpg

[Jed_70]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

TO's still a Cowboy. Why the hell are you here?

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=784466&postcount=37


Official I quit as a fan because of TO *merged*


That is why, effective immediately, I am not watching the Cowboys, or posting on this board, until T.O. is gone. I request that the mods send an email notifying me when he is no longer on our roster, so that I can resume watching the games, and following the team. I love my Cowboys, I won’t watch them be torn apart by this spoiled brat.

[Hostile]

If I quit or disowned everything in my life that had bad characters, selfishnes, hypocrites, idiots, criminals, liers, drunks, druggies, cheaters, and you name it; I would have to quit my job, quit my church, quit posting here, quit voting, and I could keep going on but I shall not bore you all.I'd have to quit all of that and my family too. basically I'd be a hermit on a mountain hoping God didn't allow the forrest to catch on fire.

[nathanlt]

So you forgive any transgression made by any player to ever play for the Cowboys. Druggies, adulterists, bad character guys, but TO standing on the star is where you draw the line? Do you know how hypocritical that sounds?

Yeah, I know that is the most screwed up application of selective morality, but hey, that's the way I feel.

That probably comes from being born and raised in Dallas and really taking the whole Cowboys philosophy from the Landry years way too seriously. Landry helped the guys who were the druggies, adulterers, and bad character guys turn themselves around as long as they were on the team. There were many things right with the Cowboys back then. I had to take a year off after Landry left, and as the Cowboys have traveled down a different road, they've started to accept players who mock the symbol that Landry started.

I think that's the chord that's really driving all this. The organization as a whole has turned their back on the mystique and legend that the Cowboys built when I was a very impressionable kid of 5 years. Might as well put a goat on the helmet, because they don't respect their history anymore... They've sold out all dignity that Landry had started.

I shouldn't take it so seriously, but I do. It kills me to see the drop off this offseason brought the team to.

I need to chill out and take a break for a bit. Ya'll have fun tearin it up.

[ravidubey]

Ok, where do you start after being a one sport, one team fan for 27 years? Where? No team can ever replace the Cowboys for me. None.

You've lost it a bit, dude.

The Cowboys are one of the most compelling organizations in sports because when you look at them it's like you are looking at life-- in a country like America you can mostly take from it what you choose. There's larger than life personalities, winning, losing, championships, humiliating defeat, toughness, brilliance, stupidity, honor, class, and yes, ugliness and shame. Dwell on whatever of those you want; I hope you choose wisely.

[InmanRoshi]

That probably comes from being born and raised in Dallas and really taking the whole Cowboys philosophy from the Landry years way too seriously. Landry helped the guys who were the druggies, adulterers, and bad character guys turn themselves around as long as they were on the team.

What revisionist nonsense.

Ask Pete Gent.

I think that's the chord that's really driving all this. The organization as a whole has turned their back on the mystique and legend that the Cowboys built when I was a very impressionable kid of 5 years. Might as well put a goat on the helmet, because they don't respect their history anymore... They've sold out all dignity that Landry had started.

You don't know the half of it. I heard after a night of heavy drinking on Christmas Eve, Jerry Jones gave Santa Claus a golden shower as Stephen held him down to the ground.

[Hostile]

You have some good points about the Cowboys morality in the early 90's. It was not stellar... I was mostly ignorant of it, not nearly as in tuned with the day to day happenings like I am now in today's internet age. Cowboys in the past who were thugs and punks were mostly role players who didn't last very long. I never really was a fan of Deion, but I never disliked him too much... he was just a showboat. I view the morality deficiencies of previous Cowboys players, role players and stars, as a result of human nature when corrupted with money and ego.

t.o. is the only player to stand on the star and mock 55,000 Dallas fans and players, he mocked Emmitt and all the rest of the team, he mocked the ring of honor, he mocked Texas Stadium, all of it. He personally put himself above everything that the Dallas Cowboys are about. Once you cross that line, you don't deserve to be in the NFL, much less in a Cowboys uniform.

I know that football isn't everything in life, I'm spending a lot less time on this board than I ever used to. I'm getting a great deal of enjoyment watching my daughter grow up and enjoying a wonderful summer here in Alaska.

But I'll tell you this, in the corner of my life where football lives, I am absolutely ridding myself of t.o. being associated with the Cowboys. It's brought my enthusiasm for the Cowboys to zero. And I don't understand why anyone in this chatroom stays with a team that has no self-respect. You've all given, well, fairly reasonable opinions about one man isn't going to ruin the team, and all that, but... The Cowboys are sellouts today. When t.o. leaves, I'm going to try to forget that these coming years are even part of the Cowboys history.Sorry Nate, the team still has self respect, it's you who have lost yours. You sold your allegiance to Terrell Owens. Cheaper than a crack whore in need of a quick fix too.

[SuspectCorner]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

oooooooooooooo-kay....

so up 'til now the cowboys have been a team entirely peopled by those of sterling character....?

yeah... sure.

well - bubble boy....

don't let the door hitcha where the good lord splitcha!

[BigDFan5]

Sorry Nate, the team still has self respect, it's you who have lost yours. You sold your allegiance to Terrell Owens. Cheaper than a crack whore in need of a quick fix too.

:laugh1:

[Hostile]

I'm loyal to the star, but the thought of watching t.o play in a Dallas uniform is ZERO fun. None. It's a chore. It's drudgery and frustration. I'm not going to subject myself to that.

But clearly, I'm not going to convince anyone on this board how much things have changed.

That's why I never should have broken my silence. It was pointless. My mistake.So watch the defense and Special Teams.

[Mansta54]

So watch the defense and Special Teams.




:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[big dog cowboy]

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster.
In case you missed it, we had some pretty bad players on our roster. I am glad they are gone and replaced with much better players. By keeping those old players we would continually be 5-11. You want that or JJ hiring BP to overturn the roster so we can be a winner? That is an easy one for me.

[2233boys]

Originally Posted by nathanlt
I'm loyal to the star, but the thought of watching t.o play in a Dallas uniform is ZERO fun. None. It's a chore. It's drudgery and frustration. I'm not going to subject myself to that.

But clearly, I'm not going to convince anyone on this board how much things have changed.

That's why I never should have broken my silence. It was pointless. My mistake.You aren't loyal to the star, because you quit watching like a ***** when Landry was fired, and you are quitting the team now because TO is a Cowboy. You are a whiney little *****... Nothing more. As I said, the Cowboys don't need "fans" like you...

[The30YardSlant]

So watch the defense and Special Teams.




:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

BP will have TO return punts and play FS just to piss Nathan off :lmao2:

[dmq]

Sorry, it is hard to hate a guy that took apart two teams I hate (feagles, 80ers). I look at this w/ an open mind. TO deserved to prance on the star that day. He will prance on it again soon in a different way. You should be a fan of Arizona, they are overdue.

[SupermanXx]

BP will have TO return punts and play FS just to piss Nathan off :lmao2:


hahahah, oh man

[Skeptic]

Happy trails, Nancy.

[Dale]

The comment about the Landry years baffles me. Landry was a truly great man. But to ignore some of the things that went on among the players is ... well, interesting.

[Smithy]

Amen to that!

[Smithy]

I am wide awake, and wearing my Dallas colors. I cheer for laundry brother. I WILL NOT abandon my team of 20 years because of 1 person, no one person has that much control over my life (except my wife)

If you wish to quit on the Cowboys that is your perogative, but don't come here and try to say the ones who do not quit on their team are the unloyal ones. Loyalty is sticking around during the good times AND THE BAD.


Amen to that!

[BigDFan5]

The comment about the Landry years baffles me. Landry was a truly great man. But to ignore some of the things that went on among the players is ... well, interesting.

and downright hypocritical

[gimmesix]

You know, had TO literally Najeh'ed on the star, I would have been much more offended than I was that day (and I was offended as it was).

I think he did when he saw Teague coming.

[jterrell]

Along with that add the 10,000 threads that gripe about the media not giving TO a clean slate. He wants a clean slate, own up to his problems instead of blaming everyone else but himself!

I hated the signing (Still do), will cheer the star but never the player in the jersey, and yes Jones sold out, just like he did in 95. Let us hope this team doesn't repeat the slide that occured in the years afterwards.
He sold out when he fired Landry and hired Jimmy Johnson too.

Big moves like signing Deion, trading for Haley, trading away Walker, drafting Troy, hiring Parcells, Johnson, Switzer and whoever else are gonna be lauded by some and hated by others.

Outside of moving the franchise away from the metroplex nothing could make me stop watching or caring about the Cowboys. Been plenty of players I'd have rather not had on the roster and a few I ended up being wrong about.

TO is the kind of guy that can put you over the top. In a fairly even NFCE he's a weapon I love having.

[Bizwah]

Wow....a guy quitting on a team because of one player.

Sounds an awful lot like all those Hollywood types that said they'd leave the country if GWBush was elected president (Johnny Depp--real big loss there).

Loyalty is sticking by your team through thick and thin. If my daughter came in one night in a Redskin's shirt, I'd be upset with her, but I'd still love her.

Why?

Because she's my daughter.

I was against TO coming here. I'm still not crazy about it. I probably will hate having him.....now, if we start winning....well then, I'll have to change my mind.

I'm a Cowboy fan.....Nearly everyone on this board is a Cowboy fan....I can't change the fact. Changing from being a Cowboy fan isn't like changing my haircolor...It'd be more like a sex-change.....you'd have to threaten castration to get me to change.

TO joining the team isn't close to castration.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Ok seriously dude get over it....Jerry Jones is a Cowboys fan first and will do whatever it takes to make this the number one team in the NFL again.

[ThornWithin81]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

Good for you. Denying yourself something you love because of your morals, which have no bearing on Cowboy football.

That's bright. Real bright. We could sign a proven murderer tomorrow, and if he helped us score one extra touchdown, I'm for the move.

Just win baby. None of this "Oh my god, he's CLASSLESS" crap.

[2233boys]

Good for you. Denying yourself something you love because of your morals, which have no bearing on Cowboy football.

That's bright. Real bright. We could sign a proven murderer tomorrow, and if he helped us score one extra touchdown, I'm for the move.

Just win baby. None of this "Oh my god, he's CLASSLESS" crap.
:chainsaw:

[wesleyc288]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!



good for you bud! Go Cowboys

[The Answer]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

The Answer respects your opinion, and definitely agrees that the NFL has changed....probably for the worse. The salary cap era has made it difficult for teams to have an extended run of success like we had in the 90's. That's why you can't anything for granted and boycotting what promises to be a roller coster ride of a season in 2006 just because you hate TO is a bit extreme. The Answer just don't see TO reverting back to his old tricks, especially since he got the payday he was looking for. Call it greed if you like, but at least he will be appeased and hopefully shut his mouth.

~The Answer

[random Cs]

That's FA for ya.

Welcome to 1992.

[gbrittain]

Good for you. Denying yourself something you love because of your morals, which have no bearing on Cowboy football.

That's bright. Real bright. We could sign a proven murderer tomorrow, and if he helped us score one extra touchdown, I'm for the move.

Just win baby. None of this "Oh my god, he's CLASSLESS" crap.

I think I sense the sarcasm...I think. I hope. :confused:

[InmanRoshi]

There were 1,000 things I was upset about following that San Francisco game, and TO standing on the star was at the very bottom of the list. It was a completely gutless, neutered performance by the team. It perfectly symbolized what I think was an era of a timid head coach leading a bunch of timid players. Touchdown celebrations are like running up the score ... if you don't like it, don't let them do it to you. George Teague was no hero of mine because he pushed TO after getting beaten like a rented mule for the entire afternoon. The Cowboys disgraced the star that day.

[the kid 05]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

i just called a whambuliance for you, if you don't like or agree with the signing then :eek: don't root for that player and or team....that was a concept that took me more then an hour to think up....

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok, where do you start after being a one sport, one team fan for 27 years? Where? No team can ever replace the Cowboys for me. None.

if that rings true, why quit now because of one player? what if he helps us win a Super BOwl? keyword, helps, it's a teamsport, I don't get how one player can ruin the feelings you feel for a team, esp. one you've rooted 27 years for? I've only been rooting for the Cowboys since '92, and I can't fathom one player making me stop rooting for them, much less 27 years

[Bob Sacamano]

There's no fun in the Cowboys because of him. This has nothing to do with the hypocrite story which was very powerful in your life, but has no parallel in watching football. He's closer to the team than I am? Of course he is, he's wearing a jersey. Trouble is, that's not the team I knew.

And I'm giving t.o. no power, no money, no revenue from me. That's all he cares about. If all Dallas fans refused to watch until t.o. was off the team would that force Jerry to cut him and NOT increase his power or his money.

But today's Dallas fans aren't loyal to their own star. Someone can take a dump on it, and today's fans will overlook it if the individual has talent.

so basically, you're griping because Dallas is trying to win a Super Bowl...

I don't get it

[Bob Sacamano]

loyalty to the star means you defend it and view those who desecrate it as enemies.

doesn't defending the star mean you stop the opposing team, or player, from getting into our endzone in order to desecrate on it?

[Bob Sacamano]

I like the NFL, but it's just a bunch of professionals working for a paycheck.

it's also the best football players in the world competing with each other, I appreciate the camaridirie (SPelling) of college football as much as the next guy, or gal, but the NFL is a totally different ballgame

[Bob Sacamano]

Most are not

95% of all NCAA football players will never even try to enter the draft, let alone play in the NFL. Most are there playing to pay for school and because they love it.

Trust me, its why I do it (or at least did).

I think the service academies: Army, Navy and the Air Force, are the only teams that have players on it who don't care about being drafted or not

[kTXe]

There's really nothing to say here that hasn't been said already.

I just wanted to give one of these to my boy nathan.


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[Big Dakota]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!


Wipe your tears Nancy.

[billknows]

Our FA moves... We needed a # 1 WR ...got one
We needed a top kicker ...got one
we needed a Rt tackle ...got two and Lt tackle back -up .we neded Fs help got one ,We needed a Lt guard ...got one
We needed Linebackers got two


There are 32 teams viaing for FA's....Don't tell me Jerry doesn't want to win...
****...Bill and Jeff know..............

[thor_01]

I am going into my 47th year as a Cowboys Fan, and as such i remember guys I rooted for on this team that did stuff that would make TO's tantrums seem like a church social, Lantz Rentzel just to name one, look him up it will make u realize that during the Landry years there werent many saints and whole lot of sinners defending that Star................

but they did defend the star and as long as they are on this team they are Dallas Cowboys, i dont give a fiddlers dam where they came from or where they are going afterwards, not saying i havent missed many and will miss some in the future when they are gone, but their time here they are Cowboys, if u cant handle that then you are doing every one a favor by leaving and good ridance to you.................

since the dawn of the NFL players have come and gone, it will always be so,some i have hated on other teams i rooted for when they came to Dallas, not because of who they were, but because they were a Dallas Cowboy, hence the titlle Dallas Cowboys Fan, as you apparently are not, then why the hell go on about it just leave...................

but if i was a betting man, and i am, i would bet the farm this is just i need some attention dribble, and come preseason you will be right where you always have been if ever were for 27 years,and that is watching America's Team the Dallas Cowboys, with its new reciever TO, if not we will try to get along without you somehow lmao, what bs.............................

[Funxva]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

[superpunk]

I really don't understand this stand.

Yes, Owens is selfish, self-absorbed, childish, etc., but why would him winning a Super Bowl trophy with Dallas bother you anymore than Irvin winning one ... or Leon Lett ... or any of the Cowboys who helped give Dallas a reputation in the 1990s of being full of criminals?

Do you rail against those players and disown their accomplishments as Cowboys, or is your anger saved only for players who have committed lesser true injustices?

IMO, you should have stopped being a Cowboys fan a long time ago if your criteria is rooting for a team without "problem" players.

If I hadn't been so tired last night, this is exactly what I would have said.

Except, I may have had something to say about radioactive jellyfish.

Oh well.....I guess we'll never understand how standing on a star is worse than rocks and blow, while actually wearing the star. It's a mystery.

[superpunk]

I am more loyal to the star than you are, because no one can take it away from me. You'll allow it to be taken pretty easily. I'm sorry, that's just the truth in bare naked color.

This sounds kinky.

[superpunk]

There were 1,000 things I was upset about following that San Francisco game, and TO standing on the star was at the very bottom of the list. It was a completely gutless, neutered performance by the team. It perfectly symbolized what I think was an era of a timid head coach leading a bunch of timid players. Touchdown celebrations are like running up the score ... if you don't like it, don't let them do it to you. George Teague was no hero of mine because he pushed TO after getting beaten like a rented mule for the entire afternoon. The Cowboys disgraced the star that day.

Out o' the park.

Altho I was proud of Teague, a little. The Cowboys performance was far more embarassing than anything TO did.

[BlueWave]

NFL franchises are in the business of winning. I dont like the move, but I understand the reasoning. If you care about morality and loyalty stick to college ball (which is better than the NFL IMO for the reasons mentioned)

Are you serious. The only difference between the NFL and College football is that in the NFL, the money is exchanged in public.

I like college football, but I'm not a fool.

[BlueWave]

All I would say to Nathlt, the original author of this thread, is that be careful who you believe. Don't automatically take "the Eagles" side of the story. Look at what you saw on the field, take into account what the Eagles did in regard to contract extensions, and at least buy or borrow Owens book and get his side of the story. Owens will not get fair treatment by the media. And remember, there are a lot of people, even people who do not like Owens, who will agree that he does not fabricate.

Remember, before you automatically believe McNabb, the medias golden boy, get both sides of the story. Owens is a Cowboys now, at least get his side before you automatically believe the Eagles.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!


Not to be a jerk.

But didn't you post practically same the thing about a month ago?
And if you can't watch the games, if you can't follow the cowboys, then why are you coming on a cowboys message board ranting and raving?

[superpunk]

Not to be a jerk.

But didn't you post practically same thing about a month ago.

Time, to face the strange...

ch-ch-changes.

[Doomsday101]

As one who was opposed to TO coming to Dallas what is done is done, all I hope for at this stage is that TO keeps it undercontrol and just go out and play the games. If he can do that then I will have no problem with TO as a member of the team.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Prepare to be flamed by the apologists. Don't you realize that TO is a great guy now and everything is forgiven??


I personally don't like To and wished we never signed him.

HOWEVER....I cheer for the Dallas Cowboys, not the Terrell Owens.

One player will not keep me from watching the Cowboys and rude or not I think that anyone that let's one player keep them from watching the cowboys needs an enema as they are being a little too anal.

[WoodysGirl]

I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.So you'll just listen to the games on the radio or internet?


Go Cowboys. :cool:

[WoodysGirl]

There were 1,000 things I was upset about following that San Francisco game, and TO standing on the star was at the very bottom of the list. It was a completely gutless, neutered performance by the team. It perfectly symbolized what I think was an era of a timid head coach leading a bunch of timid players. Touchdown celebrations are like running up the score ... if you don't like it, don't let them do it to you. George Teague was no hero of mine because he pushed TO after getting beaten like a rented mule for the entire afternoon. The Cowboys disgraced the star that day.:hammer:

[deadrody]

I knew you were waiting for me, Big49erFan5, I need to blow off some steam! You've obviously gotten over 49er players desecrating the star.

Seriously, if you harbor feelings about "desecrating the star", you've lost all perspective on life.

[SA_Gunslinger]

not only do i not think it was a mistake, i think this is going to work out far better than any us could have ever dreamed.

i believe he will play all 3 years here, and be very successful. maybe he'll even finish his career here.

look, i'm not exactly fond of T.O. either, and he has A LOT to prove to us as a dallas cowboy. but i love jerry jones for making the move. As a fan, how can you not respect an owner who makes brazen moves to help the team win?

we need a guy like T.O., ON THE FIELD, and jerry got him.

As a fan, i'm rooting for him.

Besides....HOW GREAT will this be, if he behaves AND wins. it will drive philadelphia insane.

if he lets us down, then we just go back to hating him and his NFL career will likely be finished, anyways.

it really is as simple as that.

[deadrody]

Besides....HOW GREAT will this be, if he behaves AND wins. it will drive philadelphia insane.

AND it will drive 49ers fans insane, too. It's a double win-win.

[TheSkaven]

Oh yes, I remember you, the guy who said that he was through with the Cowboys if they signed TO. Well, many said it and you are the only person that I know who followed through with it, so props on that.

Of course, I also believe that you are completely misguided. I was not a fan of TO myself, but we root for the star around these parts and not the players. Dallas Cowboys football is one of my passions, and there is no one player signing that could ever make me turn away from the boys.

On top of all that, of course, you are wrong about what adding TO will do to (or should I say "for") this franchise. I wasn't crazy about signing Charles Haley either, another malcontent from the hated 49ers, and felt even worse about signing Deion Sanders, but both put the team over the top for their 90's Superbowl run. This is no different at all.

[thor_01]

So you'll just listen to the games on the radio or internet?


Go Cowboys. :cool:

:lmao2:

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Cowboys in the past who were thugs and punks were mostly role players who didn't last very long.

Really? You mean those short timers like Henderson, Irvin, Newton, Tuinei (limitedly), Eric Williams (might not have been in trouble with the law, but was certainly a distraction), Deion (who can forget him running over the little kid in his Mercedes golf cart), an the list goes on.

I read the first four pages of this before I decided to start scanning. I think I put to much into your little venting over one player.

My take... when he starts scoring TDs or Witten, Glenn, et al., begin scoring more because TO demands double coverage, I bet your tune changes some. If it doesn't, you really weren't a Cowboy fan to begin with. I don't care how long you say you've been a fan. That's like being and American, seeing someone burn the flag and then decide you're moving to Mexico because you didn't like that and couldn't believe the government would let it happen. Shear idiocy.

You are entitled to your opinion and I can respect your decision to not like TO. But, you arguments are loose, at best. So what if TO is the difference and the Boys make it to the dance... are you finally going to creep back into the Cowboys life after shunning them for an entire season and hope they win, or will you hope they lose just so TO won't get the recognition of being the difference? Just a hypothetical.

Root for the Blue and Silver. I really don't care who you do or don't like, but when you stop watching the franchise, you're sending the message that you don't like the Boys. Plain and simple.

[MichaelWinicki]

:lmao2:

Hey Scooter what's going on? LOL!


I'm just joshin ya thor. :)

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Wipe your tears Nancy.

:lmao2: :lmao:

[BrAinPaiNt]

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[superpunk]

Yay! Pics!

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[thor_01]

I am fine SCOOTER lol, but ur boy that started this thread may wanna look at paints last post here, pretty well sums it up :lmao:

u got to know u have flubbed up when even all the mods are taking time to flame ur position on something:lmao2:

[MichaelWinicki]

I am fine SCOOTER lol, but ur boy that started this thread may wanna look at paints last post here, pretty well sums it up :lmao:

u got to know u have flubbed up when even all the mods are taking time to flame ur position on something:lmao2:


Well it is the off-season.

Pretty soon we can get back to some serious name-calling and finger pointing... you know all the things that make football fun. :)

[Clove]

No offense Nathan, but GROW UP!
You don't know TO, you've never talked to TO, you've never had lunch with TO, you have no clue of what type of person TO is, other than manufactured controversy, he gives to the media.

If you are this weak to let your life revolve around people you don't know, then you're on the short end of the stick in life.

THIS IS A GAME, IT'S NOT REAL!!

Repeat after me, THIS IS A GAME!!!!!

If anything, we can all learn a thing or 2 about how to make money from TO, because he's a genius at it. He knows that controversy sells. He knows that saying what's on your mind and being the bad guy, sells more than the upstanding good guy who never complains.

Don't let your life be swallowed up by media entertainment. You watch him play, and root for him to score touchdowns. You don't invite the guy to your church picnic. All you have to do is root for him to score touch downs and enjoy the entertainment. That's all he is and should be to any of you cry babies out there.

If a guy wants to do drugs and kill himself, or talk trash in the media or showboat, who freaking cares? I don't have to live with him.. He's using us, and we're using him for entertainment that's all. So stop whinning and just enjoy the show. "Get ya popcorn ready"

[doomsday81]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

Jerry Jones sold out all the Cowboys self-respect by groveling at the feet of t.o., the Neanderthal thug, punk and self-absorbed crybaby who has already destroyed 2 NFL teams. There are not adequate words to describe the free-fall the franchise has taken by pursuing such a despicable human being. El Dorado has no business being in the NFL whatsoever, based completely on his childish attitude and unprecedented selfishness. One who has the ability to spit on teammates who welcomed him with open arms two years earlier. His selfishness is coupled with the ability to call OTHERS classless, which only adds to his delusion of the world he lives in. I can imagine little else that is more repulsive. But that would be seeing this idiot with a Super Bowl trophy in his hand, and wearing a Dallas jersey.


I am not watching ANY Dallas games until that 49er and Eagle is out of the Cowboys roster forever.

The other thing that bothers me pales in comparison to the aforementioned disaster. The entire roster, excluding Greg Ellis, has had a swapout in the last 5 years, and the roster continues to churn faster and faster. If you buy a jersey of any player on the Cowboys, there’s a 50% likelihood or greater that he’ll be gone within 5 years. If recent history is any indication, there is a 98% chance he’ll be gone in 5 years. The only safe bet is to buy a jersey of a player whose NFL career is over. The NFL has left the diehard fan in favor of the fantasy football fan who wants a pass by this quarterback to that receiver for a touchdown AGAINST his hometown team. It’s all about player moves and big money. Loyalty, teamwork and improving player skill is out the window. Parity reigns, upsets mean nothing, because there is no powerhouse to have an upset over. There are no loveable underdogs, there are no champions, there are no dynasties. Super Bowl winners only win because some team has to, not because they earned it. No team today would have a chance against any of the teams of 10 and 15 years ago. Skill has taken a major nosedive in addition to all the other problems. Big money is doing it’s best to ruin the football that I grew up with as a kid. I am not contributing to that crap anymore, no NFL Sunday ticket, no NFL channel, no hats, no jerseys NOTHING! I REFUSE TO WATCH!

The only thing I can think of is that the rest of my Dallas Cowboy fan friends have not stopped and noticed all the things that have happened. Because it is not acceptable at all!

You mean the NFL isn't the same as it was 30-years ago? Wow, what a newsflash. Have fun watching the MLS, I'm sure the NFL and its billions of dollars is really going to miss you. Did you also used to walk 20 miles to school in the snow? Get a grip for sakes. Or better yet, go get laid. It sounds like you are overdue.

[Thick 'N Hearty]

You mean the NFL isn't the same as it was 30-years ago? Wow, what a newsflash. Have fun watching the MLS, I'm sure the NFL and its billions of dollars is really going to miss you. Did you also used to walk 20 miles to school in the snow? Get a grip for sakes. Or better yet, go get laid. It sounds like you are overdue.

:lmao2:

[DLCassidy]

A couple random thoughts:

There were a dedicated few that were beyond put out when it was rumored TO was headed to Dallas and when he actually came here. They ranted. They raved. They made threats about burning gear and not watching the games. When they realized nobody really cared they finally shut up and in all likelihood burned no gear and will watch all the games. I chalk that up to guys that have a propensity towards being drama queens and the whole media obsession with TO massively overblowing the kind of player/team disputes that happen from time to time with other players and if the player isn't high enough profile everyone basically yawns, including the media.

This guy Nathan is the latest to cry wolf about what he'll do now that the "desecrater of the star" is on the team. Wonderful. One small favor Nate? Don't tell us, just do it, just throw out your TV and move into a cave until TO is gone. We'll try to adjust to losing your point of view. Inman Roshi did a good job of summarizing how many of us feel about the "star" incident. The rest? We'll wait and see and hope Dallas wins the Super Bowl, sideshows notwithstanding.

[dalengal]

well said. we're loyal fans here.

[AsthmaField]

Yay! Pics!

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Okay... that's funny!

[CoCo]

To Nathan, and others of similar thought on this issue,

I commend you on your loyalty and values. I truly do. I love the fact that you care about this issue enough that you are considering disassociating yourself from something that has been a passion for 27 years. I admire your resolve. But I would ask you to consider, really, what the most productive course of action would be at this point?

With TO on board is there truly nothing of value left in this organization? I doubt it. Aren't there other players on this team that you have tremendous respect for that you could feel good about supporting and associating yourself with? Does the entirety of something have to be pure to be worth our engaging with it?

If you have children or other loved ones who end up straying from values you personally hold dear, will you similarly disown them? Perhaps you've even experienced that. I don't mean to suggest those circumstances are easy. They can be gut-wrenching. But what action on your part would bring a more productive end?

As fan's of this organization we now have a better than ever chance to model what we believe appropriate behavior/values are to TO. He is now firmly inside our sphere of influence - not an outsider enemy. What better time to draw near, not flee in disgust. I know suggesting you or I can influence TO is ludicrous as we have no real contact but perhaps you see the principle I'm driving at.

TO as a person, needs people who will help him change for the better not judge and disown him. He's no different than any of us in that regard. And while I suppose in some rare cases, being disowned is what brings about change in people, I think the general rule is that love, acceptance & modeling is far more effective even there are no guarantees of positive change.

I know this post may strike some as "really out there" or "wake-up its just a game" but I truly believe there are very few exercises in life that don't have underpinnings or influence that are very much tied to real life and the development of who we are or trying to become.

You can embrace TO, without condoning his behavior. Especially since it was Jerry who signed him and not you.

[BigDFan5]

So you'll just listen to the games on the radio or internet?


Go Cowboys. :cool:


LOL nice :laugh1:

[TLW47]

I have a simple rule of thumb for players.

a) if they're on the Cowboys I like them.

b) if they're not on the Cowboys I don't.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Prepare to be flamed by the apologists. Don't you realize that TO is a great guy now and everything is forgiven??

Are you referring to the aplogists here or the apologists on the tem, including Jerry Jones, Bill Parcells and most players on the roster, including Drew Bledsoe, Jason Witten, etc...?

I guess if anyone has a problem with fans inviting TO into the franchise then they sohlud likewise have the same problem with the owner, coach and players on the team who have done the same. And in that case, why be a fam of the team at all? An argument can be made that if you don't approve TO then you should stop being a Cowboys fam alltogether.

Just to clarify, that's not me making that argument; then agaain i'm a TO apologist. :lmao2:

AF

[5Stars]

I am disgusted with the talk on this board, going on and on as if the Cowboys have not made a colossal blunder this offseason.

:cry2:
:cry:
:crawl:
:jerk:

[CrazyCowboy]

I couldnt agree more, but you know what, I'll get over it if we have a 6th Lombardi next January



I highly doubt that

Agreed! That trophy is a FIX all....

[Taff]

complete waste of time thread.

you call yourself a fan of 27 years but because of one player whom you happen not to like, you're going to completely quit watching and supporting?

why are you a fan in the first place? because you want to see the Boys win games and Super Bowls, or because you want every player on the team to have saved an old lady from a burning building while curing cancer and praising God before?

If I were a mod, I'd make a seperate forum called "most insignificant thread ever" and stick this one in there.

Ahhh no - the thread its never a waste of time - that's the whole thing voicing an opinion, right or wrong, anyway we know he is still a Cowboy fan in the end.
I like the move to get TO but not to fussed on liking him, but winning a championship - well forgivness is a virtue I aspire too!!!!!!!

[Taff]

I have a simple rule of thumb for players.

a) if they're on the Cowboys I like them.

b) if they're not on the Cowboys I don't.

I like that rule - I like it simple - I like just being a Cowboy Fan ...

[needforspeed]

You mean the NFL isn't the same as it was 30-years ago? Wow, what a newsflash. Have fun watching the MLS, I'm sure the NFL and its billions of dollars is really going to miss you. Did you also used to walk 20 miles to school in the snow? Get a grip for sakes. Or better yet, go get laid. It sounds like you are overdue.

Preach on, my brother!