Ok, our All-time team vs other teams

[Bizwah]

I'd love to start a thread where we choose our All-Time team. I know it's been tried before, but I'd love to get some sort of general consensus on this. One of the difficult things about making a list like this is the fact that there are so many great players that have graced the star. Also, some of us have missed eras.....I came in during the early 80s. Some fans may have "discovered" the phenomenon that is the Dallas Cowboys during the 90s.

I'd also like to have our visiting Skins, Eagles, and Giants fans (if there are any) to come up with there own.

Then, we can see how they can matchup.....

It'd give us something to do for four days....

I'll try first...

QB: Aikman (tough call over Staubach....but Roger himself said that Troy was better than he)
RB: Emmitt (again, tough call over Dorsett)
FB: Walt Garrison
WR: Michael Irvin.....Drew Pearson...third WR would be Bob Hayes
TE: Doug Cosbie
LT: need some help here.....
LG: Larry Allen
C: Tom Rafferty
RG:
RT: Rayfield Wright

DE: Harvey Martin
DT: Randy White
DT: Bob Lilly (who else?)
DE: Too Tall Jones (tough call here...personal fave of mine)

LB: Chuck Howley
LB:
LB:

CB: Everson Walls
CB: Deion Sanders
S: Roy Williams
S: Cliff Harris

Lots of holes on this team. Hopefully, some others will have better ideas. I'm also interested in seeing opposing teams.

[locked&loaded]

i dont care what roger says, id take roger over aikman any day. If landry wasnt so conservative roger would of been even more amazing.

[The30YardSlant]

QB: Roger Staubach
RB: Emmitt Smith
FB: Moose
WR: Michael Irvin
WR: Drew Pearson
TE: Jay Novacheck
OT: Erik Williams
OT: Rayfield Wright
OG: Larry Allen
OG: Blain Nye
C: Tom Rafferty

DE: Harvey Martin
DE: Too Tall Jones
DT: Bob Lily
DT: Randy White
LB: Lee Roy Jordan
LB: Chuck Howley
LB: Bob Breunig ;)
CB: Deion Sanders
CB: Mel Renfro
SS: Darren Woodson
FS: Cliff Harris

[THUMPER]

Here is MY All-Time Cowboys Team...

QB: Roger Staubach
RB: Emmitt Smith
FB: Walt Garrison
TE: Jay Novacek
WR: Bob Hayes
WR: Michael Irvin
C: Mark Stepnoski
OG: Nate Newton
OG: Larry Allen
OT: Pat Donovan
OT: Rayfield Wright
K: Rafael Septien
P: Danny White

CB: Mel Renfro
CB: Everson Walls
S: Charlie Waters
S: Cliff Harris
OLB: Chuck Howley
MLB: Lee Roy Jordan
OLB: Dave Edwards
DE: George Andrie
DE: Ed Jones
DT Bob LIlly
DT: Randy White

[EndGame]

What makes me sad is that the consensus will probably create a team that has NO current Cowboys. The closest right now I think would be Jason Witten and Roy Williams. Witten may someday end up as the greatest Cowboy tight end, but he's not there yet. Williams may someday be considered better than Darren Woodson, but he's not as complete a player. Some of the other young'uns on the team now have potential, but can't possibly be considered yet.

[stealth]

who would coach this magical team?

[THUMPER]

who would coach this magical team?

Tom Landry of course. Most of the guys on MY team were selected for that very reason, to play under Landry rather than Jimmy. That's why I left Moose off even though he was one of my favorite players, he wasn't an all-around FB so he wouldn't fit in Landry's offense.

[THUMPER]

What makes me sad is that the consensus will probably create a team that has NO current Cowboys. The closest right now I think would be Jason Witten and Roy Williams. Witten may someday end up as the greatest Cowboy tight end, but he's not there yet. Williams may someday be considered better than Darren Woodson, but he's not as complete a player. Some of the other young'uns on the team now have potential, but can't possibly be considered yet.

None of our current players has played long enough to be considered IMO but there are a few who might make it eventually like Roy, Witten, Ware, and others.

We haven't had any truly dominant LBs since the days of Howley and Jordan so this current crop could make a place there.

[EndGame]

Tom Landry of course.
No question there.

[Bizwah]

who would coach this magical team?

I think there is a definite consensus on Landry.

[Bizwah]

Tally so far: only three precincts reporting

QB: Aikman-1 Roger-2
Rb: Emmitt(3) consensus
FB: Walt Garrison-2 Moose-1
WR: Michael Irvin-3 Drew Pearson-2 Bob Hayes-2
TE: Doug Cosbie-1 Jay Novacek-2
OT: Eric Williams-2 Ray Wright-3 Pat Donovan-1
OG: Larry Allen-3 Nate Newton-1 Blaine Nye-1
C: Tom Rafferty-2 Mark Stepnoski-1


DT: Bob Lilly-3 Randy White-3 (no surprises)
DE: Harvey Martin-2 Ed Jones-3 George Andrie-1
LB: Chuck Howley-3 Lee Roy Jordan-2 Bob Bruning-1 Dave Edwards-1
CB: Everson Walls-2 Deion Sanders 2 Mel Renfro-2
S: Roy Williams-1 Cliff Harris-3 Charlie Waters-1 Darren Woodson-1

[thescarface1989]

How well did Mike Ditka play for us?

He said he got into the best shape of his life, and played the best football of his career when he was with the Cowboys.

[Bizwah]

How well did Mike Ditka play for us?

He said he got into the best shape of his life, and played the best football of his career when he was with the Cowboys.

So, is this a vote for DITKA (best Norm impression)?

[stealth]

even though landry is a god and all he was too conservative and he hadn't won the big game for quite some time prior to his retirement

as much as it pains me to say it I wouldn't want him as the coach

you may all flog me now.

[superpunk]

Let's say a hurricane and Ditka got into a fight. Who would win?

Gentlemen, gentlemen....what if the hurricane was named "Ditka"?

[Bizwah]

even though landry is a god and all he was too conservative and he hadn't won the big game for quite some time prior to his retirement

as much as it pains me to say it I wouldn't want him as the coach

you may all flog me now.

Words fail me..........

SATAN!!!!!!!

Who is your coach, SATAN?

[JohnLockesGhost]

I'd also like to have our visiting Skins, Eagles, and Giants fans (if there are any) to come up with there own.

I'll bite...

All-time Skins

QB: Sammy Baugh
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Charley Taylor
TE: Don Warren
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG: Joe Jacoby
RT: Mark May

DE: Charles Mann
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Diron Talbert
DE: Dexter Manley
LB: Wilbur Marshall
LB: Chris Hanburger
LB: Sam Huff
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Mike Bass
S: Ken Houston
S: Sean Taylor :p:

There you go: the All-time Skins team.

[Bizwah]

Let's say a hurricane and Ditka got into a fight. Who would win?

Gentlemen, gentlemen....what if the hurricane was named "Ditka"?
Great Skit!!!

[Bizwah]

I'll bite...

All-time Skins

QB: Sammy Baugh
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Charley Taylor
TE: Don Warren
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG: Joe Jacoby
RT: Mark May

DE: Charles Mann
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Diron Talbert
DE: Dexter Manley
LB: Wilbur Marshall
LB: Chris Hanburger
LB: Sam Huff
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Mike Bass
S: Ken Houston
S: Sean Taylor :p:

There you go: the All-time Skins team.

Nice list.

I forgot how good your OL was in the 80s.

I appoint you admin of the Skins team.

[JohnLockesGhost]

Nice list.

I forgot how good your OL was in the 80s.

I appoint you admin of the Skins team.

Sounds like a big responsibility. :)

[JohnLockesGhost]

Let's say a hurricane and Ditka got into a fight. Who would win?

Gentlemen, gentlemen....what if the hurricane was named "Ditka"?

Have you guys ever had a "Fight Club" thread? :)

[jrockster77]

I'll bite...

All-time Skins

QB: Sammy Baugh
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Charley Taylor
TE: Don Warren
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG: Joe Jacoby
RT: Mark May

DE: Charles Mann
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Diron Talbert
DE: Dexter Manley
LB: Wilbur Marshall
LB: Chris Hanburger
LB: Sam Huff
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Mike Bass
S: Ken Houston
S: Sean Taylor :p:

There you go: the All-time Skins team.

Here's my team:

QB: Sonny Jurgenson
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Gary Clark
TE: Chris Cooley (flame away)
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG:Raleigh McKenzie
RT: George Starke (can't leave off the head-hog!)

DE: Dexter Manley
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Daryl Grant
DE: Bruce Smith (just had to play for us, right?? :D)
LB: Ken Harvey
LB: Monte Coleman
LB: Wilbur Marshall
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Pat Fischer
S: Kenny Houston
S: Sean Taylor

[THUMPER]

Here's my team:

QB: Sonny Jurgenson
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Gary Clark
TE: Chris Cooley (flame away)
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG:Raleigh McKenzie
RT: George Starke (can't leave off the head-hog!)

DE: Dexter Manley
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Daryl Grant
DE: Bruce Smith (just had to play for us, right?? :D)
LB: Ken Harvey
LB: Monte Coleman
LB: Wilbur Marshall
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Pat Fischer
S: Kenny Houston
S: Sean Taylor

So both Redskins fans are picking Sean Taylor? The guy has only played a couple of years, not long enough to make an All-Time team IMO. Same for Cooley.

By the time Bruce Smith played for you guys he was at the end of his career, are you sure you would want him on your all-time team? I guess Cowboys fans could select Lance Alworth, Herb Adderley, Mike Ditka, and Forrest Gregg since they all played for us too but none were in their prime. No Cowboy fan would ever want to select Jackie Smith though, we would all rather just forget that he ever soiled the field with his presence.

I am glad to see that you have Pat Fischer on your team. You've got to have the 2 best small CBs ever in Green and Fischer.

Interesting choice between Sammy Baugh and Sonny Jurgensen. Both were great QBs but very different styles (like Staubach and Aikman for us).

[Manster68]

QB: Roger Staubach
RB: Emmitt Smith
FB: Moose
WR: Michael Irvin
WR: Drew Pearson
TE: Jay Novacheck
OT: Erik Williams
OT: Rayfield Wright
OG: Larry Allen
OG: Blain Nye
C: Tom Rafferty

DE: Harvey Martin
DE: Too Tall Jones
DT: Bob Lily
DT: Randy White
LB: Lee Roy Jordan
LB: Chuck Howley
LB: Bob Breunig ;)
CB: Deion Sanders
CB: Mel Renfro
SS: Darren Woodson
FS: Cliff Harris


HeavyHitta31,

Why the wink next to Breunig? Then again, why do you have two middle linebackers? Then again, why do you even have Breunig? He never played all that well IMO.

My third choice at linebacker would have to be Thomas Hollywood Henderson.

Blaine Nye was good...very good. However, why would you take Nye when John Niland was the premeire guard during his day - going to seven straight Pro Bowls as well as being the only successful first round offensive lineman taken by the Cowboys.

John Niland may be Dallas' most unsung hero.

[jrockster77]

So both Redskins fans are picking Sean Taylor? The guy has only played a couple of years, not long enough to make an All-Time team IMO. Same for Cooley.

Basically the FS position hasn't been one from which a great crop of players in Redskin history has emerged. And ST is far more athletically gifted than any player to ever don a Skins uniform. True, two years is probably too soon to place him on the list, but I think he'll cement his spot after a few more years.

By the time Bruce Smith played for you guys he was at the end of his career, are you sure you would want him on your all-time team? I guess Cowboys fans could select Lance Alworth, Herb Adderley, Mike Ditka, and Forrest Gregg since they all played for us too but none were in their prime. No Cowboy fan would ever want to select Jackie Smith though, we would all rather just forget that he ever soiled the field with his presence.

Yeah...don't know why I put Bruce on there...guess I just wanted to be different. Guess I'll switch him out with Mann like JLG has it.

I am glad to see that you have Pat Fischer on your team. You've got to have the 2 best small CBs ever in Green and Fischer.

Hell yeah! I love Pat Fischer...he was one mean sum*****!!

Interesting choice between Sammy Baugh and Sonny Jurgensen. Both were great QBs but very different styles (like Staubach and Aikman for us).

Sammy ended his career with a 187 to 203 TD to INT ratio....not something for an all-time team. He's definitely a great part of Skins' history, and really the game's history in general, but Juregenson just had better numbers. :) If Jurgenson was healthy, we'd have 4 Lombardi's at Redskins park instead of 3...:)

[superpunk]

Have you guys ever had a "Fight Club" thread? :)

We don't talk about that.

[the kid 05]

who would coach this magical team?

campo...hopefully with all these great players he could manage more than 15 wins over a period of 3 seasons....hell...he might win more then 15 in one season...:rolleyes:

[the kid 05]

Here's my team:

QB: Sonny Jurgenson
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Gary Clark
TE: Chris Cooley (flame away)
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG:Raleigh McKenzie
RT: George Starke (can't leave off the head-hog!)

DE: Dexter Manley
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Daryl Grant
DE: Bruce Smith (just had to play for us, right?? :D)
LB: Ken Harvey
LB: Monte Coleman
LB: Wilbur Marshall
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Pat Fischer
S: Kenny Houston
S: Sean Taylor

how the hell do you put ST on your all time great list? he's good...but hes not even considered a great player on your team and this is comeing from a boyz fan. st is good but defenitly not great

[THUMPER]

I have updated my All-Time team with a 53-man roster. Many will disagree with my choices but I have some criteria that eliminates some players, namely that they had to have played for us for at least 7 seasons. It is therefore not necessarily a list of the 53 best players but of guys who were with us for more than a handful of years and made great contributions to the team.

NOTE: The number after the player's name is the Pro-Bowls they were selected to.

QB: Roger Staubach-6, Troy Aikman-6, Danny White-1 (I would have preferred Merideth but Danny is also my punter, saving a roster spot).
RB: Emmitt Smith-8, Tony Dorsett-4
FB: Don Perkins-6, Walt Garrison-0, Daryl Johnston-2
TE: Jay Novacek-5, Billy Joe Dupree-3, Doug Cosbie-3 (Witten will make the team in a few more years).
WR: Bob Hayes-3, Michael Irvin-5, Drew Pearson-3, Tony Hill-3, Frank Clarke-1, Butch Johnson-0
C: Mark Stepnoski-3, Dave Manders-2
OG: Larry Allen-10, John Niland-7, Nate Newton-6, Herb Scott-3
OT: Rayfield Wright-6, Erik Williams-4, Pat Donovan-4, Mark Tuinei-2
K: Rafael Septien-1

CB: Mel Renfro-10, Cornell Green-5, Everson Walls-4, Michael Downs-1
S: Charlie Waters-3, Cliff Harris-6, Darren Woodson-5, Dennis Thurman-0, Bill Bates Bates-1 (Bates is my STs guy).
OLB: Chuck Howley-5, Dave Edwards-0, Jerry Tubbs-1, D.D. Lewis-0
MLB: Lee Roy Jordan-5, Bob Breunig-3
DE: George Andrie-5, Ed Jones-3, Harvey Martin-4, Tony Tolbert-1, Jim Jeffcoat-0
DT: Bob Lilly-11, Randy White-9, Jethro Pugh-0, Leon Lett-2, Larry Cole-0


I know many will ask why guys like Charles Haley and Deion Sanders aren't on the team but they didn't play long enough for us to make MY team.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Let's say a hurricane and Ditka got into a fight. Who would win?

Gentlemen, gentlemen....what if the hurricane was named "Ditka"?

Are we talking an East Coast type Hurricane or are we talking a Devine wind type deal like they talk about in Japan? Also, are we talking Iron Mike like he used to be with Da Bears or are we talking the Mike Ditka that showed up in the movie Kicking and Screaming? Also, is Mike regular sized in this one or is he Mike the halfling?

[ABQCOWBOY]

HeavyHitta31,

Why the wink next to Breunig? Then again, why do you have two middle linebackers? Then again, why do you even have Breunig? He never played all that well IMO.

My third choice at linebacker would have to be Thomas Hollywood Henderson.

Blaine Nye was good...very good. However, why would you take Nye when John Niland was the premeire guard during his day - going to seven straight Pro Bowls as well as being the only successful first round offensive lineman taken by the Cowboys.

John Niland may be Dallas' most unsung hero.

Landry did say that Nye was the most talented Guard he ever coached.

I would say this thou HH, you have Harris at FS. No way he could play that position IMO. He would have to have been a strong safety IMO. I'd probably go with "Boards" at FS.

[JohnLockesGhost]

Here's my team:

QB: Sonny Jurgenson
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Gary Clark
TE: Chris Cooley (flame away)
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG:Raleigh McKenzie
RT: George Starke (can't leave off the head-hog!)

DE: Dexter Manley
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Daryl Grant
DE: Bruce Smith (just had to play for us, right?? :D)
LB: Ken Harvey
LB: Monte Coleman
LB: Wilbur Marshall
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Pat Fischer
S: Kenny Houston
S: Sean Taylor

I like your list as long as you swap out Bruce Smith. That's like putting Deion Sanders at Cornerback. *shudder* Maybe, we could switch to a 3-4 to accommodate more Linebackers. :)

[JohnLockesGhost]

We don't talk about that.

Why? This isn't a Fun Zone?

[lurkercowboy]

I have updated my All-Time team with a 53-man roster. Many will disagree with my choices but I have some criteria that eliminates some players, namely that they had to have played for us for at least 7 seasons. It is therefore not necessarily a list of the 53 best players but of guys who were with us for more than a handful of years and made great contributions to the team.

NOTE: The number after the player's name is the Pro-Bowls they were selected to.

QB: Roger Staubach-6, Troy Aikman-6, Danny White-1 (I would have preferred Merideth but Danny is also my punter, saving a roster spot).
RB: Emmitt Smith-8, Tony Dorsett-4
FB: Don Perkins-6, Walt Garrison-0, Daryl Johnston-2
TE: Jay Novacek-5, Billy Joe Dupree-3, Doug Cosbie-3 (Witten will make the team in a few more years).
WR: Bob Hayes-3, Michael Irvin-5, Drew Pearson-3, Tony Hill-3, Frank Clarke-1, Butch Johnson-0
C: Mark Stepnoski-3, Dave Manders-2
OG: Larry Allen-10, John Niland-7, Nate Newton-6, Herb Scott-3
OT: Rayfield Wright-6, Erik Williams-4, Pat Donovan-4, Mark Tuinei-2
K: Rafael Septien-1

CB: Mel Renfro-10, Cornell Green-5, Everson Walls-4, Michael Downs-1
S: Charlie Waters-3, Cliff Harris-6, Darren Woodson-5, Dennis Thurman-0, Bill Bates Bates-1 (Bates is my STs guy).
OLB: Chuck Howley-5, Dave Edwards-0, Jerry Tubbs-1, D.D. Lewis-0
MLB: Lee Roy Jordan-5, Bob Breunig-3
DE: George Andrie-5, Ed Jones-3, Harvey Martin-4, Tony Tolbert-1, Jim Jeffcoat-0
DT: Bob Lilly-11, Randy White-9, Jethro Pugh-0, Leon Lett-2, Larry Cole-0


I know many will ask why guys like Charles Haley and Deion Sanders aren't on the team but they didn't play long enough for us to make MY team.


Short-timers and other leftovers team

QB Drew Bledsoe
RB Herschel Walker
FB Robert Newhouse
TE Jason Witten
WR Terrell Owens
WR Alvin Harper
C Ray Donaldson
OG Tom Rafferty – Kevin Gogan
OT Jim Cooper – Ron Stone
K Eddie Murray

CB Deion Sanders
CB Kevin Smith
S George Teague
S Brock Marion
OLB Hollywood Henderson
OLB Anthony Dickerson
MLB Eugene Lockhart
DE Charles Haley
DE Greg Ellis
DT John Dutton
DT Laroi Glover

[Chief]

QB: Staubach
RB: Emmitt Smith
FB: Robert Newhouse
WR: Michael Irvin
WR: Drew Pearson
TE: Doug Cosbie
OT: Rayfield Wright
OT: Erik Williams (before the accident)
OG: Larry Allen
OG: John Niland
C: John Fitzgerald

DE: Charles Haley
DE: Ed Jones
DT: Bob Lilly
DT: Randy White
OLB: Thomas Henderson
OLB: Chuck Howley
MLB: Lee Roy Jordan
CB: Deion Sanders
CB: Mel Renfro
FS: Cliff Harris
SS: Darren Woodson

[lurkercowboy]

All-great-with-somebody-else-team

QB Randall Cunningham
RB Timmy Smith
WR Harold Carmichael
WR Jimmy Smith
TE Todd Christensen

[Renesis]

Why? This isn't a Fun Zone?
Obviously you haven't read the first two rules.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Here's mine:

QB - Starter Roger Staubach, Backup Troy Aikman
RB - Starter Emmitt Smith, Backup Tony Dorsett
FB - Starter Hershel Walker, Backup Moose Johnston
WR - Starters Michael Irvin/"Bullet" Bob Hayes, Backup Drew Pearson/ Terrell Owens.
TE - Starter Jason Witten, Backup Billy Joe Dupree
C - Starter Step, Backup Dave Manders
G - Starters Larry Allen/Herb Scott, Backup Nate Newton/John Niland
T - Starters Rayfield Wright/Big E, Backup Ralph Neely/Tui

DE - Starters Ed "Too Tall" Jones/Harvey Martin, Backup Charles Haley/Jim Jeffcoat
DT - Starters Randy White/Bob Lilly, Backup Larry Cole, John Dutton
MLB - Starter Lee Roy Jordan, Backup DD Lewis
OLB - Starters Chuck Howley/De Marcus Ware, Backup Hollywood Henderson/Ken Norton
SS - Starter Cliff Harris, Backup Roy Williams
FS - Starter Cornell Green, Backup Charlie Waters
CB - Starters Deion Sanders/Mel Renfro, Backup Terrance Newman/ "Pup" Smith

Punter - Danny White, Backup Sam Baker

Kicker - Starter Mike Vanderjagt , Backup Eddie Murray

HC Tom Landry, 2nd Choice Jimmy Johnson.

GM Tex Schram, 2nd Choice Stephan Jones

Owner Jerry Jones, 2nd Choice Clint Merchisan

[ouvan59]

I'll take a shot at both

QB: Roger Staubach
QB: Sammy Baugh
RB: Emmitt Smith
RB: John Riggins
FB: Daryl Johnston
FB: Charlie Harraway
WR#1: Michael Irvin
WR#1: Charley Taylor
WR#2: Bob Hayes
WR#2: Bobby Mitchell
WR#3: Tony Hill
WR#3: Art Monk
TE: Billy Joe Dupree
TE: Jerry Smith
OT: Rayfield Wright
OT: Joe Jacoby
OT: Erik Williams
OT: Jim Lachey
OG: John Niland
OG: Russ Grimm
OG: Larry Allen
C: Mark Stepnoski
C: Len Hauss


DE: Harvey Martin
DE: Dexter Manley
DE: Ed Jones
DE: Charles Mann
DT: Bob Lilly
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Randy White
DT: Diron Talbert
LB: Chuck Howley
LB: Sam Huff
LB: Lee Roy Jordan
LB: Chris Hanburger
LB: Bob Breunig
LB: Neil Olkewicz
CB: Mel Renfro
CB: Pat Fischer
CB: Everson Walls
CB: Darrell Green
S: Darren Woodson
S: Ken Houston
S: Cliff Harris
S: Brig Owens

[ravidubey]

Here is MY All-Time Cowboys Team...

QB: Roger Staubach
RB: Emmitt Smith
FB: Walt Garrison
TE: Jay Novacek
WR: Bob Hayes
WR: Michael Irvin
C: Mark Stepnoski
OG: Nate Newton
OG: Larry Allen
OT: Pat Donovan
OT: Rayfield Wright
K: Rafael Septien
P: Danny White

CB: Mel Renfro
CB: Everson Walls
S: Charlie Waters
S: Cliff Harris
OLB: Chuck Howley
MLB: Lee Roy Jordan
OLB: Dave Edwards
DE: George Andrie
DE: Ed Jones
DT Bob LIlly
DT: Randy White

Interesting, you'd choose Walls over Deion despite the clear difference in talent and productivity (not to mention Deion never took plays off like Walls routinely did). I remember a play in 1987 when Walls just forgot to cover Gary Clark when he was staring right at him. Everson was a natural free safety, and Bill Parcells took advantage of that.

Anyway, I'm assuming you made your choice because of some kind of personal dislike of Deion's style, but then you choose Raphael Septien, a known pedophile? Of course you could also think of Deion as a hired gun, but the man was a Cowboy for 5 years. He certainly acheived more as a Cowboy more than he did anywhere else-- his 1998 season alone was amazing, broken toe and all. In every game of the first half of that season Deion made at least one game-changing play that put us in a position to win the game (we didn't always come through, but he put us in position).

The combination of Mel Renfro and Deion Sanders is the best any NFL team could possibly muster IMHO.

EDIT: Ooops, caught your update. Still, I'd make an exception to the 7-year rule for Deion!

[ABQCOWBOY]

Interesting, you'd choose Walls over Deion despite the clear difference in talent and productivity (not to mention Deion never took plays off like Walls routinely did). I remember a play in 1987 when Walls just forgot to cover Gary Clark when he was staring right at him. Everson was a natural free safety, and Bill Parcells took advantage of that.

Anyway, I'm assuming you made your choice because of some kind of personal dislike of Deion's style, but then you choose Raphael Septien, a known pedophile? Of course you could also think of Deion as a hired gun, but the man was a Cowboy for 5 years. He certainly acheived more as a Cowboy more than he did anywhere else-- his 1998 season alone was amazing, broken tow and all. In every game of the first half of that season Deion made at least one game-changing play that put us in a position to win the game (we didn't always come through, but he put us in position).

The combination of Mel Renfro and Deion Sanders is the best any NFL team could possibly muster IMHO.

EDIT: Ooops, caught your update. Still, I'd make an exception to the 7-year rule for Deion!

I don't know about that. Green Bay had Herb Adderly and Willie Davis at the same time. Oakland had Mike Haynes,Willie Brown and Lester Hays. Skins have had Tommy McDonald and Green. I think the Cards had Tommy McDonald also to go with Aneas Williams and there was a guy named Green who went both ways but had he stuck with DB, he could have been a HOF kind of player. That's just off the top of my head.

[THUMPER]

I don't know about that. Green Bay had Herb Adderly and Willie Davis at the same time. Oakland had Mike Haynes,Willie Brown and Lester Hays. Skins have had Tommy McDonald and Green. I think the Cards had Tommy McDonald also to go with Aneas Williams and there was a guy named Green who went both ways but had he stuck with DB, he could have been a HOF kind of player. That's just off the top of my head.

Tommy McDonald was a WR back in the 50s & 60s. I think you mean Tim McDonald.

Tommy played for us in 1964 and was the last NFL player to play without a facemask.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Tommy McDonald was a WR back in the 50s & 60s. I think you mean Tim McDonald.

Tommy played for us in 1964 and was the last NFL player to play without a facemask.

Thumper, you are right. Tommy is actually from New Mexico. Sorry about the mix up there.

[dboyz]

Here's mine:

QB - Starter Roger Staubach, Backup Troy Aikman
RB - Starter Emmitt Smith, Backup Tony Dorsett
FB - Starter Hershel Walker, Backup Moose Johnston
WR - Starters Michael Irvin/"Bullet" Bob Hayes, Backup Drew Pearson/ Terrell Owens.
TE - Starter Jason Witten, Backup Billy Joe Dupree
C - Starter Step, Backup Dave Manders
G - Starters Larry Allen/Herb Scott, Backup Nate Newton/John Niland
T - Starters Rayfield Wright/Big E, Backup Ralph Neely/Tui

DE - Starters Ed "Too Tall" Jones/Harvey Martin, Backup Charles Haley/Jim Jeffcoat
DT - Starters Randy White/Bob Lilly, Backup Larry Cole, John Dutton
MLB - Starter Lee Roy Jordan, Backup DD Lewis
OLB - Starters Chuck Howley/De Marcus Ware, Backup Hollywood Henderson/Ken Norton
SS - Starter Cliff Harris, Backup Roy Williams
FS - Starter Cornell Green, Backup Charlie Waters
CB - Starters Deion Sanders/Mel Renfro, Backup Terrance Newman/ "Pup" Smith

Punter - Danny White, Backup Sam Baker

Kicker - Starter Mike Vanderjagt , Backup Eddie Murray

HC Tom Landry, 2nd Choice Jimmy Johnson.

GM Tex Schram, 2nd Choice Stephan Jones

Owner Jerry Jones, 2nd Choice Clint Merchisan


Generally good list, but Herschel at FB is very surprising. I would say he played FB part-time for maybe two years. Tell me your reasoning.

I was a big Herschel fan back in the day, but I would think there are better choices for all-time full back.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Generally good list, but Herschel at FB is very surprising. I would say he played FB part-time for maybe two years. Tell me your reasoning.

I was a big Herschel fan back in the day, but I would think there are better choices for all-time full back.


Herschel can play either RB or FB in our offense. We actually played a great deal of split back when Walker first came to Dallas. I just think the numbers justify his position on the team. Over less then 4 years, he averaged 1634 yards per season. He averaged 57 catches a season and 9.5 TDs a season. In those 3.5, or so years he was with us (86 to 89), he was the second most productive back our club has ever had, second only to Emmitt 92 to 95 (1980 yards per season on average, just over 19 TDs on average), and this in an offense that had nothing and no body but him. What could he have done on a team as talented as the one Emmitt played on? Plus, he was a pretty good blocker as well. Not your classic lead blocking FB but very good in pass blocking and pretty good in lead blocking. If he played for Parcells today, he'd be our starting FB, no question. I don't know but to me, the numbers would have been astounding. To me, he is by far the best FB our team has ever had. Not his fault that he played on a horrible Dallas team and then got traded. That is the reasoning I used to make that selection.

[Sam I Am]

Here's my team:
LT: Nick Lachey


Wow, the Redskins had a boy-band singer playing left tackle? :lmao:

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I see comparisons in this thread between Aikman and Staubach?

Two completely different QB's with different strengths and weaknesses... I cant see how we can compare and then throw in the era's they played in...

Troy could easily have 2 SB's or atleast 4(maaaaaaybe 5)... he has 3(thanks Neil and Larry). I think the interference by Jerry, Jimmy and co. played a big part.

Roger could easily have had 3 or even 5 SB's... he has 2. I think not being on same page with Landy played a part in his SB total.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wow, the Redskins had a boy-band singer playing left tackle? :lmao:

:lmao2:


Yeah, apparently Jim was pissed about this miss representation as well.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Roger could easily have had 3 or even 5 SB's... he has 2. I think not being on same page with Landy played a part in his SB total.

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I don't understand the reasoning here.

[dboyz]

Herschel can play either RB or FB in our offense. We actually played a great deal of split back when Walker first came to Dallas. I just think the numbers justify his position on the team. Over less then 4 years, he averaged 1634 yards per season. He averaged 57 catches a season and 9.5 TDs a season. In those 3.5, or so years he was with us (86 to 89), he was the second most productive back our club has ever had, second only to Emmitt 92 to 95 (1980 yards per season on average, just over 19 TDs on average), and this in an offense that had nothing and no body but him. What could he have done on a team as talented as the one Emmitt played on? Plus, he was a pretty good blocker as well. Not your classic lead blocking FB but very good in pass blocking and pretty good in lead blocking. If he played for Parcells today, he'd be our starting FB, no question. I don't know but to me, the numbers would have been astounding. To me, he is by far the best FB our team has ever had. Not his fault that he played on a horrible Dallas team and then got traded. That is the reasoning I used to make that selection.

Herschel did put up some pretty good numbers for a few years for us. I would probably not pick him as a starting fullback, but your reasons are certainly justified. Herschel was definitely a freak for his day. He could run and had good hands. You're right, he was not a great lead blocker, but probably adequate a Richie Anderson type. If Herschel had not gone to the USFL, I think he would have put up some great numbers in the NFL.

Also, as I recall without looking it up, Herschel played a little bit of FB when he came back to play with us in 96 or 97? I remember Novacek was injured and so Moose moved to tight-end and Herschel moved to full back. It may have been just for a couple of games.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Herschel did put up some pretty good numbers for a few years for us. I would probably not pick him as a starting fullback, but your reasons are certainly justified. Herschel was definitely a freak for his day. He could run and had good hands. You're right, he was not a great lead blocker, but probably adequate a Richie Anderson type. If Herschel had not gone to the USFL, I think he would have put up some great numbers in the NFL.

Also, as I recall without looking it up, Herschel played a little bit of FB when he came back to play with us in 96 or 97? I remember Novacek was injured and so Moose moved to tight-end and Herschel moved to full back. It may have been just for a couple of games.

Later in his career, he actually played a lot of HBack and Full Back. With the Eagles, that was pretty much his position.

[lurkercowboy]

Remember WD-40? Walker and Dorsett 40 times a game.

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I don't understand the reasoning here.

I was just refering to accomplishments and then I threw in the woulda coulda shoulda's LOL

Both could have won more titles then there would less of a "comparison"