Football is just a sport, what they do should only matter on sunday

[locked&loaded]

people are saying, oh he does this dont want him on my team. For example chris henry, great player but got into trouble that shouldnt even matter if what he does on sunday is play. People go deep into players lifes and anything they do they will hold against them. Its insane i say if he shows up on sunday let him smoke all the pot he wants do drugs. its not our bussiness. Granted i do not condone drugs, raping pulling guns. But that is there personal life and should not be included with the players nfl life.

[stealth]

cept when you go to jail you kinda screw the team over and thusly the fans.

[Doomsday101]

people are saying, oh he does this dont want him on my team. For example chris henry, great player but got into trouble that shouldnt even matter if what he does on sunday is play. People go deep into players lifes and anything they do they will hold against them. Its insane i say if he shows up on sunday let him smoke all the pot he wants do drugs. its not our bussiness. Granted i do not condone drugs, raping pulling guns. But that is there personal life and should not be included with the players nfl life.

You can't depend on them being there every Sunday, teams pay out big money for a game and yes they have every right to expect a certain behavior and conduct from a player on and off the field and that include being involved with criminal behavior.

[jman]

cept when you go to jail you kinda screw the team over and thusly the fans.

Exactly...what he said!!!!

I loved Michael Irvin, but he let his team down when he got himself suspended. Same with Leon Lett.

[Yeagermeister]

people are saying, oh he does this dont want him on my team. For example chris henry, great player but got into trouble that shouldnt even matter if what he does on sunday is play. People go deep into players lifes and anything they do they will hold against them. Its insane i say if he shows up on sunday let him smoke all the pot he wants do drugs. its not our bussiness. Granted i do not condone drugs, raping pulling guns. But that is there personal life and should not be included with the players nfl life.
I guess the fact it's illegal doesn't matter :rolleyes:

[The30YardSlant]

I guess the fact it's illegal doesn't matter :rolleyes:

Well, we DO cheer for the Cowboys, after all :laugh2:

[Yeagermeister]

Well, we DO cheer for the Cowboys, after all :laugh2:
True :(

[Gfunk]

building a team has everything to do with character

that's the first building block, before talent

if a player smokes weed or parties a little hard, no one cares, but if a player beats his wife or has problems with authority, we should care

low character on your team = losses instead of wins

[Yeagermeister]

building a team has everything to do with character

that's the first building block, before talent

if a player smokes weed or parties a little hard, no one cares, but if a player beats his wife or has problems with authority, we should care

low character on your team = losses instead of wins
IMO the smoking weed is a knock against the character of a person.

[Doomsday101]

building a team has everything to do with character

that's the first building block, before talent

if a player smokes weed or parties a little hard, no one cares, but if a player beats his wife or has problems with authority, we should care

low character on your team = losses instead of wins

Actually the league cares. It really does not matter our individual feelings about weed the fact is it is illegal regardless and if a player gets popped more than once he is looking at a 4 game, 8 game or 1 year suspension and teams can't afford missing key players who can't abide by the law. Is smoking weed as bad as beating your wife no but it is still against the law and is against league rules and as much money that is at stake for these players to do these things is just plain stupid.

[baj1dallas]

It's not "just a game". Teams are representatives of the cities they live in. Taxpayers finance stadiums. Fans spend thousands of dollars on jerseys and season tickets. Players are payed 10x or more what an average person gets. We have every right to expect them to live up to the highest standards on and off the field. That's like saying politicians shouldn't refrain from getting oral sex from interns or giving out inappropriate backrubs.

[Yeagermeister]

Actually the league cares. It really does not matter our individual feelings about weed the fact is it is illegal regardless and if a player gets popped more than once he is looking at a 4 game, 8 game or 1 year suspension and teams can't afford missing key players who can't abide by the law. Is smoking weed as bad as beating your wife no but it is still against the law and is against league rules and as much money that is at stake for these players to do these things is just plain stupid.
What if you are beating your wife while smoking weed? :D

[ABQCOWBOY]

people are saying, oh he does this dont want him on my team. For example chris henry, great player but got into trouble that shouldnt even matter if what he does on sunday is play. People go deep into players lifes and anything they do they will hold against them. Its insane i say if he shows up on sunday let him smoke all the pot he wants do drugs. its not our bussiness. Granted i do not condone drugs, raping pulling guns. But that is there personal life and should not be included with the players nfl life.

Pretty easy to take a position like this when it's not your nickle. Teams invest millions in these players, not to mention the salaries of other players who depend on each other to succeed both on the field of play and from a financial perspective. If I'm considering paying this kind of money out, I'm going to be concerned if he appears to be a step shy of the State Penn. Perhaps I'm crazy but it makes all the sense in the world if I'm an organization to be very concerned with what goes on in a players personal life.

[AbeBeta]

IMO the smoking weed is a knock against the character of a person.

Dude, it is just weed. It never hurt no one.

[Yeagermeister]

Dude, it is just weed. It never hurt no one.
Ok Smokie

[The30YardSlant]

building a team has everything to do with character

that's the first building block, before talent

if a player smokes weed or parties a little hard, no one cares, but if a player beats his wife or has problems with authority, we should care

low character on your team = losses instead of wins

The irony overload just caused the world's axis to shift slightly. Thanks a lot :rolleyes:

BTW, how's Drive By doing these days?

[REDVOLUTION]

What if you are beating your wife while smoking weed? :D

How many wives are beating up the men?
:lmao:

Have you seen the size of some of those women?

[Doomsday101]

Dude, it is just weed. It never hurt no one.

It is against the law, I agree it is no big deal but it does not change the fact that it is illegal. When I was young I would get into this argument with my dad all the time in the end he was right I got to figure that one out as I sat in jail for 30 days.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It is against the law, I agree it is no big deal but it does not change the fact that it is illegal. When I was young I would get into this argument with my dad all the time in the end he was right I got to figure that one out as I sat in jail for 30 days.

Dooms........

Didn't know you were a con. When are you going to release you biography?

Dooms, 30 Days in the whole!

;)

[joseephuss]

Character doesn't matter until it matters. That is typcially when things aren't going well. When things are great, character issues tend to be overlooked. Not so when a team is struggling. There were many more questions about character when Dallas was losing in the late 90s as opposed to when they were winning in the early 90s.

Character is also somewhat of a subjective topic. Some people care if players smoke weed, others don't. The league cares because they have a policy to test for it and will suspend someone for it. I don't think the league has a policy for guys that beat their wives or girlfriends.

[Doomsday101]

Dooms........

Didn't know you were a con. When are you going to release you biography?

Dooms, 30 Days in the whole!

;)

Not something I'm proud of but yes I was young and stupid at one time. 1st time I got probation and the 2nd time a motion to revoke probation which got me 30 days and a lot of time to think about what I wanted out of my life. Sitting at Harris County jail with guys who make a living at going to jail was not my ideal of a life style I wanted add to that the judge who sat on both cases threaded me with a 1 year TDC for another screw up. Funny part is I have been working for Harris County now for just over 20 years and I have talked to the judge who sentenced me and actually thanked him for helping me change my life.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not something I'm proud of but yes I was young and stupid at one time. 1st time I got probation and the 2nd time a motion to revoke probation which got me 30 days and a lot of time to think about what I wanted out of my life. Sitting at Harris County jail with guys who make a living at going to jail was not my ideal of a life style I wanted add to that the judge who sat on both cases threaded me with a 1 year TDC for another screw up. Funny part is I have been working for Harris County now for just over 20 years and I have talked to the judge who sentenced me and actually thanked him for helping me change my life.


I hope you know that I was only yanking your chain a bit. Nothing personal at all.

Besides, I've made my judgement on the type of poster you are long before you ever shared this. It has little to know barring but I definatly understand. I think we can all identify with being a bit more rowdy then we might like to admit when we were young.

Besides, I agree with you. When it's all said and done, it's against the law. Simple as that.

[DLCassidy]

people are saying, oh he does this dont want him on my team. For example chris henry, great player but got into trouble that shouldnt even matter if what he does on sunday is play. People go deep into players lifes and anything they do they will hold against them. Its insane i say if he shows up on sunday let him smoke all the pot he wants do drugs. its not our bussiness. Granted i do not condone drugs, raping pulling guns. But that is there personal life and should not be included with the players nfl life.

Why do you want thugs on your team? Given a choice wouldn't you rather root for good guys than bad? And how can you count on guys to respect the needs of the team and the instructions of the coach when they won't obey the law? Everyone deserves a 2nd chance but guys like Henry make me sick. Guys like that will disapoint you every time.

[AtlCB]

people are saying, oh he does this dont want him on my team. For example chris henry, great player but got into trouble that shouldnt even matter if what he does on sunday is play. People go deep into players lifes and anything they do they will hold against them. Its insane i say if he shows up on sunday let him smoke all the pot he wants do drugs. its not our bussiness. Granted i do not condone drugs, raping pulling guns. But that is there personal life and should not be included with the players nfl life.What if Chris Henry was arrested on a Sunday?

[Screw The Hall]

What if you are beating your wife while smoking weed? :D


Oh, well in that case it's perfectly fine. :)

[Doomsday101]

I hope you know that I was only yanking your chain a bit. Nothing personal at all.

Besides, I've made my judgement on the type of poster you are long before you ever shared this. It has little to know barring but I definatly understand. I think we can all identify with being a bit more rowdy then we might like to admit when we were young.

Besides, I agree with you. When it's all said and done, it's against the law. Simple as that.

No at all. Whats the old saying Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. I have learned more from my errors than I have from my victories

[arglebargle]

Actually the league cares. It really does not matter our individual feelings about weed the fact is it is illegal regardless and if a player gets popped more than once he is looking at a 4 game, 8 game or 1 year suspension and teams can't afford missing key players who can't abide by the law. Is smoking weed as bad as beating your wife no but it is still against the law and is against league rules and as much money that is at stake for these players to do these things is just plain stupid.

Gotta agree with you here. Personally I have no issues with the weed smokers, and I think the whole drug thing is kinda crazy. That's a different arguement though. Illegality does not equal immorality. BUT....you are dead on that it effects the team and its just stoopid that these guys risk so much for a puff or two. In the NFL, it is a definitely a sign of poor judgement. Just like motorcycles, do it when you retire....

[Yeagermeister]

Gotta agree with you here. Personally I have no issues with the weed smokers, and I think the whole drug thing is kinda crazy. That's a different arguement though. Illegality does not equal immorality. BUT....you are dead on that it effects the team and its just stoopid that these guys risk so much for a puff or two. In the NFL, it is a definitely a sign of poor judgement. Just like motorcycles, do it when you retire....
or learn how to do right like Stepnoski :D

[Doomsday101]

or learn how to do right like Stepnoski :D

What a player does after he hangs them up is his business but as long as he is collecting a pay check from the NFL you play by their rules or do what Ricky Williams did and go to the CFL.

[dougonthebench]

Dude, it is just weed. It never hurt no one.

last time I looked,it's still illegal.

[2233boys]

Pot should be legal... It is ridiculous that it isn't but alcohol is, if you make one illegal both should be... Our government tried prohibition once and it didn’t work, so they do it again and it isn’t working. Legalize marijuana and be done with it.

[Doomsday101]

Pot should be legal... It is ridiculous that it isn't but alcohol is, if you make one illegal both should be... Our government tried prohibition once and it didn’t work, so they do it again and it isn’t working. Legalize marijuana and be done with it.

But it is not and as long as that is the law I expect our players to do the right thing. There are the ways things should be and the way things are

[Nav22]

last time I looked,it's still illegal.2 words: cannabus club. There's no good reason for weed to be illegal if alcohol is legal. It's a stupid law that hasn't been amended because nobody in the White House has the balls to try doing something about it.

[2233boys]

Why do you want thugs on your team? Given a choice wouldn't you rather root for good guys than bad? And how can you count on guys to respect the needs of the team and the instructions of the coach when they won't obey the law? Everyone deserves a 2nd chance but guys like Henry make me sick. Guys like that will disapoint you every time.
I love the Dallas Cowboys, and if it takes thugs to get them another Superbowl so be it. Good or bad, it is all about winning. I don't expect NFL players to raise my children and be their role models that is what I am for, so if my teams has a bunch of thugs and we are winning. I am all for it, if they have a bunch of good guys and aren't winning, I want the good guys gone.

[Vertigo_17]

Ok Smokie

:lmao2:

[2233boys]

But it is not and as long as that is the law I expect our players to do the right thing. There are the ways things should be and the way things are
I can't really argue with that. My point was that pot being illegal is dumb... As an aside, if a player does smoke pot, but helps the Cowboys win a superbowl, I really don't care that he is doing something illegal... He just helped win my Dallas Cowboys their 6th superbowl...

[Doomsday101]

I love the Dallas Cowboys, and if it takes thugs to get them another Superbowl so be it. Good or bad, it is all about winning. I don't expect NFL players to raise my children and be their role models that is what I am for, so if my teams has a bunch of thugs and we are winning. I am all for it, if they have a bunch of good guys and aren't winning, I want the good guys gone.

I expect a certain amount of class, winning is important but being a world class team of thugs is nothing I would take pride in and not worth paying money to see. Sorry winning is not everything some where along the line people lost that concept

[baj1dallas]

2 words: cannabus club. There's no good reason for weed to be illegal if alcohol is legal. It's a stupid law that hasn't been amended because nobody in the White House has the balls to try doing something about it.

It makes a lot of police departments a lot of money for it to be illegal.

[Doomsday101]

I can't really argue with that. My point was that pot being illegal is dumb... As an aside, if a player does smoke pot, but helps the Cowboys win a superbowl, I really don't care that he is doing something illegal... He just helped win my Dallas Cowboys their 6th superbowl...

See the post below. I love winning but not at all cost, to me it matters.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think all you guys should grow up and get jobs in Congress. That way you can change all this stuff and set things right.

Until then, it's against the law.

[2233boys]

I expect a certain amount of class, winning is important but being a world class team of thugs is nothing I would take pride in and not worth paying money to see. Sorry winning is not everything some where along the line people lost that concept I guess than we won't agree and we can agree to disagree...

This is a business and the business about winning... The teams are made up or a cross section of our society, the good and the bad... That is the way the world is, if you want a team full of saints the closest you will get is following a team with the name Saints.

[2233boys]

I think all you guys should grow up and get jobs in Congress. That way you can change all this stuff and set things right.

Until then, it's against the law.Yeah, just because something is against the law doesn't make the law fair, right or justified...

[ABQCOWBOY]

I guess than we won't agree and we can agree to disagree...

This is a business and the business about winning... The teams are made up or a cross section of our society, the good and the bad... That is the way the world is, if you want a team full of saints the closest you will get is following a team with the name Saints.

Your right. It's a business and a business has to cater to those who pay the bills. In the NFL, that would be TV. TV sells to business who are trying to do business with those who can afford to do the business. That would not be the segamant of our cross section who sit home and get stoned.

Nothing personal but that's business and that's why its rediculous for the NFL to allow weed to be used openly.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, just because something is against the law doesn't make the law fair, right or justified...


What difference? In this country, anybody can change a law if you can sell it. Go sell it and good luck with that.

[2233boys]

Your right. It's a business and a business has to cater to those who pay the bills. In the NFL, that would be TV. TV sells to business who are trying to do business with those who can afford to do the business. That would not be the segamant of our cross section who sit home and get stoned.

Nothing personal but that's business and that's why its rediculous for the NFL to allow weed to be used openly.You bring up a good point in regards to TV... But in the end each team determines its success by wins and losses. Not how many good people or bad people are on the team.

By the way, I never said that they should allow it openly... I said that pot being illegal was ridiculous.

[Doomsday101]

I guess than we won't agree and we can agree to disagree...

This is a business and the business about winning... The teams are made up or a cross section of our society, the good and the bad... That is the way the world is, if you want a team full of saints the closest you will get is following a team with the name Saints.

I don't expect a bunch of church going players or saints but by the same token I don't expect a bunch of criminals either. Your right we will disagree on this because sorry winning is not everything there has to be some line drawn in the sand of right and wrong no matter what business your in.

[2233boys]

What difference? In this country, anybody can change a law if you can sell it. Go sell it and good luck with that.
I've been trying. It will happen it is a matter of time. Thanks for the well wishes...

[2233boys]

I don't expect a bunch of church going players or saints but by the same token I don't expect a bunch of criminals either. Your right we will disagree on this because sorry winning is not everything there has to be some line drawn in the sand of right and wrong no matter what business your in.
I would prefer that the Cowboys were all great guys, but if they aren't; I am not going to turn in my Cowboys fan membership card...

[ABQCOWBOY]

I've been trying. It will happen it is a matter of time. Thanks for the well wishes...

Absolutly.

[cobra]

Oh, boy.

Isn't it cute?

Another post from a... dare I say "youngin"... about how character doesn't matter that transforms into a discussion about weed is ok.

This post and resulting thread is a proof of Freud's theory that he articulated in his book "Civilization and its Discontents."

The law is the law, and we don't get to choose which laws to follow. If you don't like the law, then you pursue changing it through the representative process in our legislatures.

Team sports require the following of various rules, both explicit in terms of on-the-field rules and team policies, and implicit in the nature of developed trust among teammates and with fans.

Those that cannot follow the laws because they choose personal satisfaction over civilized behavior are likely to also be the kind of people who put personal satisfaction and motivations over the team's. Team sports require a commmitment to the team in order to succeed. Individualism is an anthema to the concept of team. It is why the military trains against individualism in favor of team and conformity.

Quite simply, if the goal is to make a great team, why would you consider someone who doesn't put the team ahead of himself? Someone who finds their personal gratification more important than team's?

I don't expect this statement to convince those whom I am chastising. People who think And1 individual match-ups are more interesting and entertaining than teamwork aren't apt to accept the value of teamwork and committment to the team.

[Doomsday101]

I would prefer that the Cowboys were all great guys, but if they aren't; I am not going to turn in my Cowboys fan membership card...

But you will turn in the membership if we don't win it all?

[Kittymama]

You guys are joking, right? Can you imagine what our reaction would be if Extremeskins or an Iggles board were having this type of discussion?

You really want to claim that drugs didn't affect how Quincy played or acted? Ricky Williams should be one of the greatest running backs in history. He's now become just a sad shadow of what he could/should have been--because of drugs. Those who think pot (& yes alcohol) don't affect your brain & your physical abilities are fooling themselves.

And you're really sitting there typing that off-the-field activities like beating up people, rape, shooting guns, acting like a thug shouldn't matter? Let me ask you this--which team do you think will get to the Super Bowl sooner: the Pats or the new Jailblazers currently known as the Bengals? If nothing else, their inability to control themselves off the field means there are some emotional issues in play. That's eventually going to take a toll on the field or in the lockerroom.

Sorry, but I expect that players for a team I support should be players that I at least don't have to apologize to my kids about (sweetie, I know I told you not to take drugs, but Ricky Williams runs really really fast, so it's ok). I don't expect choirboys, but I also don't expect murderers (Ray Lewis), dopeheads (Ricky Williams), wife beaters (too many athletes to count), rapists (Kobe Bryant) to be representing my team. I'm certainly not going to excuse a co-worker of mine for doing something like that just because he/she is a good worker--why would I excuse an athlete for that?

[BigDFan5]

Dude, it is just weed. It never hurt no one.

My cousin was killed in a head on collision, the driver of the other car was stoned and drifted into her lane. I think she may disagree with "it never hirt no one" if she was able to.

[doomsday81]

people are saying, oh he does this dont want him on my team. For example chris henry, great player but got into trouble that shouldnt even matter if what he does on sunday is play. People go deep into players lifes and anything they do they will hold against them. Its insane i say if he shows up on sunday let him smoke all the pot he wants do drugs. its not our bussiness. Granted i do not condone drugs, raping pulling guns. But that is there personal life and should not be included with the players nfl life.

Raping people is "personal?" This may be a knee-jerk reaction but this post is so stupid, I think the person who started it should be banned. Sure, football is just a sport and I don't like it when fans say, "Oh, he's a class act" just because the guy plays for their favorite team, despite the fact they know nothing about him. However, when superstars break the law, it's going to be reported. I'm actually embarassed that I responded to this post. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it differs from mine, but this post is the epitome of stupidity. If a player rapes someone and you think it's just their own personal business and you don't mind rooting for him, you have much bigger problems than me calling you an idiot my friend.

[ABQCOWBOY]

My cousin was killed in a head on collision, the driver of the other car was stoned and drifted into her lane. I think she may disagree with "it never hirt no one" if she was able to.

I believe Abersonic was teasing with that statement. If you review his posts, you may see him to be in disagreement with that position but your statement is relivant. I do not agree with the statement, "it never hurt anybody."

[BigDFan5]

I believe Abersonic was teasing with that statement. If you review his posts, you may see him to be in disagreement with that position but your statement is relivant. I do not agree with the statement, "it never hurt anybody."

Sorry to Abe is he was joking, I have seen that before in a non teasing manner on other boards and it is kind of a touchy thing for me so I miss the sarcasm in it. No offense abe my mistake.

[locked&loaded]

You guys are joking, right? Can you imagine what our reaction would be if Extremeskins or an Iggles board were having this type of discussion?

You really want to claim that drugs didn't affect how Quincy played or acted? Ricky Williams should be one of the greatest running backs in history. He's now become just a sad shadow of what he could/should have been--because of drugs. Those who think pot (& yes alcohol) don't affect your brain & your physical abilities are fooling themselves.

And you're really sitting there typing that off-the-field activities like beating up people, rape, shooting guns, acting like a thug shouldn't matter? Let me ask you this--which team do you think will get to the Super Bowl sooner: the Pats or the new Jailblazers currently known as the Bengals? If nothing else, their inability to control themselves off the field means there are some emotional issues in play. That's eventually going to take a toll on the field or in the lockerroom.

Sorry, but I expect that players for a team I support should be players that I at least don't have to apologize to my kids about (sweetie, I know I told you not to take drugs, but Ricky Williams runs really really fast, so it's ok). I don't expect choirboys, but I also don't expect murderers (Ray Lewis), dopeheads (Ricky Williams), wife beaters (too many athletes to count), rapists (Kobe Bryant) to be representing my team. I'm certainly not going to excuse a co-worker of mine for doing something like that just because he/she is a good worker--why would I excuse an athlete for that?

HA, cocaine didnt seem to affect michael irvin. Pot deffinetly didnt affect rickys playing he was great, he fought for ever damn yard he got. Quincy was talented, the drugs did not affect his playing, if he was clean he woudl of played the same. and if you disagree you have no proof. And to the guy who called me a youngin'. Thats awsome stereotyping younger kids saying they dont know anything about life because we havent lived long enough. I said i dont condone drugs alcohol etc. i dont do any of them. But people dig to deep into players life, its a childs game. They play a sport and get paid for it, its for the fans entertainment dotn start judging players about what there life is like. People melt when the players have had a hard life and said "ma when im older you wont have to work" thats great im sure many kids said it, heck i said it. And than if someone does drugs they have there torches and pitch forks. look at the Owens deal, everything gets blown out of perportion. thats the fans fault, who cares hes cocky as all heck. But he backs it up he shows up on sunday. thats all that should matter, people obsess. its just a sport dont buy to much into the player, root for them. Cheer but dont involve yourself in there personal life.

[Doomsday101]

HA, cocaine didnt seem to affect michael irvin. Pot deffinetly didnt affect rickys playing he was great, he fought for ever damn yard he got. Quincy was talented, the drugs did not affect his playing, if he was clean he woudl of played the same. and if you disagree you have no proof. And to the guy who called me a youngin'. Thats awsome stereotyping younger kids saying they dont know anything about life because we havent lived long enough. I said i dont condone drugs alcohol etc. i dont do any of them. But people dig to deep into players life, its a childs game. They play a sport and get paid for it, its for the fans entertainment dotn start judging players about what there life is like. People melt when the players have had a hard life and said "ma when im older you wont have to work" thats great im sure many kids said it, heck i said it. And than if someone does drugs they have there torches and pitch forks. look at the Owens deal, everything gets blown out of perportion. thats the fans fault, who cares hes cocky as all heck. But he backs it up he shows up on sunday. thats all that should matter, people obsess. its just a sport dont buy to much into the player, root for them. Cheer but dont involve yourself in there personal life.

That is your version of sports, nothing matters as long as you win. Sorry I can't bring myself to say winning matters at any and all cost. I see nothing to be proud of. It would be like saying several members of my team gang rape a girl but we won the SB. who cares

[locked&loaded]

That is your version of sports, nothing matters as long as you win. Sorry I can't bring myself to say winning matters at any and all cost. I see nothing to be proud of. It would be like saying several members of my team gang rape a girl but we won the SB. who cares

thats the worst analogy ever.

[Doomsday101]

thats the worst analogy ever.

Sorry if you don't like it. For me I'm not paid one red cent to watch the games I do so because of the love of the game and have been a fan of this club for over 40 years win or lose and I do expect a player to conduct himself as a professional on and off the field, to stay out of trouble and to keep clean. They are getting paid well enough to expect nothing less than that. If all you care about in sports is winning at any and all cost that is your right to do so but I can't agree with it. Too bad people have lowered their expectation to this level.

[superpunk]

thats the worst analogy ever.

Yeah right, l&l.

Like it would even be possible for anyone to know that.:rolleyes:

[ABQCOWBOY]

HA, cocaine didnt seem to affect michael irvin. Pot deffinetly didnt affect rickys playing he was great, he fought for ever damn yard he got. Quincy was talented, the drugs did not affect his playing, if he was clean he woudl of played the same. and if you disagree you have no proof. And to the guy who called me a youngin'. Thats awsome stereotyping younger kids saying they dont know anything about life because we havent lived long enough. I said i dont condone drugs alcohol etc. i dont do any of them. But people dig to deep into players life, its a childs game. They play a sport and get paid for it, its for the fans entertainment dotn start judging players about what there life is like. People melt when the players have had a hard life and said "ma when im older you wont have to work" thats great im sure many kids said it, heck i said it. And than if someone does drugs they have there torches and pitch forks. look at the Owens deal, everything gets blown out of perportion. thats the fans fault, who cares hes cocky as all heck. But he backs it up he shows up on sunday. thats all that should matter, people obsess. its just a sport dont buy to much into the player, root for them. Cheer but dont involve yourself in there personal life.

The difference, IMO, is that Kiddy was talking about Rape and not weed or attitude on the field. It is a clear dividing line, IMO, on the subject. No amount of scrutiny is too much, no level of investigation is sufficiant, no judgement is too harsh where something like rape is concerned because it could be one of my daughters were talking about. It could be one of yours or anybodies. I may sound a bit over the top here but I just know that if it were me having to live with it, I would be over the top and no punishment would be enough. I know this and so, I view it with a bit harsher barromitor.

It may not be right, I don't know. I just know that this is the way it has to be for society.

[Clove]

For the sake of all the drama I've been involved in regarding character issues and race related issues, I'll leave this one alone..:)

[TEK2000]

The difference, IMO, is that Kiddy was talking about Rape and not weed or attitude on the field. It is a clear dividing line, IMO, on the subject. No amount of scrutiny is too much, no level of investigation is sufficiant, no judgement is too harsh where something like rape is concerned because it could be one of my daughters were talking about. It could be one of yours or anybodies. I may sound a bit over the top here but I just know that if it were me having to live with it, I would be over the top and no punishment would be enough. I know this and so, I view it with a bit harsher barromitor.

It may not be right, I don't know. I just know that this is the way it has to be for society.

If it's my daughter that got raped and I knew who did it.. it WOULD affect the team the following Sunday and every Sunday thereafter.. because the guy wouldn't be alive to play anymore.



On the subject as a whole.. this is stupid. Most major businesses do drug tests and background checks before they hire their employees... hell some of them run your credit history. Its ridiculous to say we're dipping too far into the PLAYERS lives when people in most any reputible business have all of these same checks done on them. The only difference is that the PLAYERS are high profile jobs that are placed under media attention.

And saying "let them smoke all they want and do drugs" IS condoning drug use.

[2233boys]

But you will turn in the membership if we don't win it all?
I am a fan of the Dallas Cowboys win or lose, and have been a fan for over 26years. So the answer to your less than astute question is no...

[2233boys]

My cousin was killed in a head on collision, the driver of the other car was stoned and drifted into her lane. I think she may disagree with "it never hirt no one" if she was able to.
It wasn't the pot that killed your cousin it was the idiot that smoked pot and drove. Same things happen with alcohol, yet it is legal... I am sorry for what happened to your cousin. Crappy things happen to good people when it isn't illegal to be a moron...

[BigDFan5]

It wasn't the pot that killed your cousin it was the idiot that smoked pot and drove. Same things happen with alcohol, yet it is legal... I am sorry for what happened to your cousin. Crappy things happen to good people when it isn't illegal to be a moron...

It was the pot that impared him to the point that he ran off the road. As for Alchol I dont care ban it too I dont drink. But do not sit here and try to tell me that pot doesnt hurt anyone when my family has suffered loss because someone got high.

[2233boys]

It was the pot that impared him to the point that he ran off the road. As for Alchol I dont care ban it too I dont drink. But do not sit here and try to tell me that pot doesnt hurt anyone when my family has suffered loss because someone got high.
Again, It wasn't the pot that killed your cousin it was the idiot that smoked pot and drove. People do retarded completely inconsiderate and down right terrible things.

Keeping it illegal won't prevent something like that happening again. Prohibition doesn't work it never has it never will...

[Seven]

HA, cocaine didnt seem to affect michael irvin. Pot deffinetly didnt affect rickys playing he was great, he fought for ever damn yard he got. Quincy was talented, the drugs did not affect his playing, if he was clean he woudl of played the same. and if you disagree you have no proof. And to the guy who called me a youngin'. Thats awsome stereotyping younger kids saying they dont know anything about life because we havent lived long enough. I said i dont condone drugs alcohol etc. i dont do any of them. But people dig to deep into players life, its a childs game. They play a sport and get paid for it, its for the fans entertainment dotn start judging players about what there life is like. People melt when the players have had a hard life and said "ma when im older you wont have to work" thats great im sure many kids said it, heck i said it. And than if someone does drugs they have there torches and pitch forks. look at the Owens deal, everything gets blown out of perportion. thats the fans fault, who cares hes cocky as all heck. But he backs it up he shows up on sunday. thats all that should matter, people obsess. its just a sport dont buy to much into the player, root for them. Cheer but dont involve yourself in there personal life.

I'm thinking you should remove the "locked&" part of your username. On so many levels this thread and your posts, is wrong. Every peice of it reeks of naiveity, self righteous blastfamy and is, quite frankly, border line psycho. You should seek help from a professional........that is of course, he isn't a heroin addict in his personal life.