What is the best thing for Greg Ellis and the Cowboys

[Bleed Blue]

As reported Greg will be at the start of training camp but is still not happy with his reduced role on this defensive squad. He is on the wrong side of 30 and I'm sure wants to secure his remaining years in the NFL with a new contract. He may not be the perfect fit in Bill's 3-4 defense but good players will make plays in any system. This is not the year to have a troubled player in the locker room.I am sure Bill and Jerry want let him be a distraction very long. It's just a shame because he has been a good player for a long time on some bad teams and this would be a chance to finally get some rewards. How would you handle Greg and if he has to go what are you looking for the Cowboys to get in return?

[Clove]

It's best for us to get something for Ellis and allow this guy to finish his career playing in the 4-3. It's also the right thing to do.

[dougonthebench]

First I'd tell Greg to shutup and play.Last time I looked,Greg was getting paid to play football.Do your job.If he were to be traded,I'd expect a 6th or 7th round pick for him.

[dargonking999]

I would do nothing, he signed the contract he has to play it out. Gregg has always been a quiet guy, he wont be a locker room distractionm

[Clove]

First I'd tell Greg to shutup and play.Last time I looked,Greg was getting paid to play football.Do your job.If he were to be traded,I'd expect a 6th or 7th round pick for him.But to me, it's like asking Bledsoe to play in a bootleg oriented offense. They knew Ellis was not a 3-4 guy and should have traded him 2 years ago, but didn't. It's time to move on and let new guys step up.

[Doomsday101]

I don't think he will be a problem or a distraction. I expect him to go to camp and give his best effort. If I'm wrong and he does become a distraction to the team then release him irregardless if you get anything in return or not. I have said before the off-season is the time to discuss concerns that a player has, but once you hit camp that kind of stuff has to be put on the back burner until the season is done.

[Yakuza Rich]

The best thing would be for Greg to shut up and play well in the nickel.

We most likely won't trade him because his value will be low. So if he gets cut, he's going to lose money.

But, if he plays well in the nickel and is serviceable in the 3-4, he's got the options of possibly retiring a Cowboy and getting paid his contract or us cutting him and his price tag going up because he can rush the passer effectively and play the 3-4 if needed. Furthermore, us cutting down his reps will only prolong his career.

I wish Ellis would grasp this concept.


Rich.............

[junk]

But to me, it's like asking Bledsoe to play in a bootleg oriented offense. They knew Ellis was not a 3-4 guy and should have traded him 2 years ago, but didn't. It's time to move on and let new guys step up.

However, Ellis did play relatively well in the 3-4. Why do you think Parcells has shown zero interest in getting rid of him?

He knows Ellis can play a role and help the team win this year.

The best thing for Ellis to do is shut up and play hard all year. Dallas will likely cut him next year and if he has a decent year, he'll get his precious payday.

[dougonthebench]

But to me, it's like asking Bledsoe to play in a bootleg oriented offense. They knew Ellis was not a 3-4 guy and should have traded him 2 years ago, but didn't. It's time to move on and let new guys step up.

to me football is football.yes certain guys excell in certain areas.the point on defense is tackle the guy with the ball.You're right,Bledsoe wouldnt be good at a bootleg offense.but,that kind of thinking would have never brought Bob Hayes into football.Bullet Bob was drafted because Landry wanted a speedster to change the passing game.

[Bleed Blue]

First I'd tell Greg to shutup and play.Last time I looked,Greg was getting paid to play football.Do your job.If he were to be traded,I'd expect a 6th or 7th round pick for him.If a 6th or 7th was the best Dallas could pull, I would just make him play it out. he is still good for at least 6-8 sacks a year and if he got out of hand just leave his arse at home. He makes great money now and if players get the drift of just not liking a system and pitching a b.... to get out it will be a very bad message to send.

[dougonthebench]

If a 6th or 7th was the best Dallas could pull, I would just make him play it out. he is still good for at least 6-8 sacks a year and if he got out of hand just leave his arse at home. He makes great money now and if players get the drift of just not liking a system and pitching a b.... to get out it will be a very bad message to send.

agreed,and that goes right back to my first statement,shutup and play.

[Vertigo_17]

we should switch back to the 4-3 in order to make Greg happy ;)

[Clove]

All I know is, if they try and make him some type of outside linebacker, that will be a disaster.

[superpunk]

Marriage Counseling.

Sensitivity training for Bill.

These are just suggestions.

[BlueStar II]

If we were to trade Ellis, I don't think we would get much in return for him, lucky to get a late rounder for him, IMO.

[THUMPER]

The BEST thing would be to trade him for Carson Palmer but I cannot imagine the Bengals going for that one. Plus Ellis isn't a thug so they probably wouldn't want him anyway.

He will play out this season and then be traded or released.

[Angus]

Clove, if the Cowboys let Ellis go, don't you think he should return the half million dollars the club paid him this summer? If he had to do that, do you think he still would want his release? The opportunities for him out there might not be so attractive in that case. Maybe that $500,000.00 should have been enough of a "committment" for awhile.

[NorthTexan95]

The best thing would be for Greg to shut up and play well in the nickel.

Exactly!

[Charles]

As reported Greg will be at the start of training camp but is still not happy with his reduced role on this defensive squad. He is on the wrong side of 30 and I'm sure wants to secure his remaining years in the NFL with a new contract. He may not be the perfect fit in Bill's 3-4 defense but good players will make plays in any system. This is not the year to have a troubled player in the locker room.I am sure Bill and Jerry want let him be a distraction very long. It's just a shame because he has been a good player for a long time on some bad teams and this would be a chance to finally get some rewards. How would you handle Greg and if he has to go what are you looking for the Cowboys to get in return?
I think it would be best if Greg Ellis shows up to camp with Randy Moss and tells us the Raiders have offered The Cowboys Randy Moss for the rights to Ellis and Glenn's contracts:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

[Clove]

Clove, if the Cowboys let Ellis go, don't you think he should return the half million dollars the club paid him this summer? If he had to do that, do you think he still would want his release? The opportunities for him out there might not be so attractive in that case. Maybe that $500,000.00 should have been enough of a "committment" for awhile.Hell yeah he should pay every cent back. But I don't know if I want a person playing half speed on a team that could be a Super Bowl contender.

If he gets nicked up, I don't want a guy pretending to be more hurt than he is. These are things that some players do to prove to the organization that if they are not happy, they will dogg it, and you can't prove it.

[Vertigo_17]

I think it would be best if Greg Ellis shows up to camp with Randy Moss and tells us the Raiders have offered The Cowboys Randy Moss for the rights to Ellis and Glenn's contracts:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

you sir, are a genius...

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's best for us to get something for Ellis and allow this guy to finish his career playing in the 4-3. It's also the right thing to do.

I agree with this. I think that we could get more then a 6th or 7th for Ellis.

I also believe that Ellis is going nowhere because we are not interested in trading him for a 3rd round pick. Just my opinion.

[Doomsday101]

I agree with this. I think that we could get more then a 6th or 7th for Ellis.

I also believe that Ellis is going nowhere because we are not interested in trading him for a 3rd round pick. Just my opinion.

I agree. I think Dallas could get better than a 6th or 7th but they are not interested in trading him.

[Clove]

I think it's safe to say that most of the board believes that Ellis has a place on this defense. I think he would be awesome coming in on nickel situations and doing what he does.

But knowing that a guy is clearly not happy about the situation, and forcing him to do something he hates is bad business. Some team will come crying and begging for someone like Ellis, and that's when the Boys should pull the trigger.

Don't be greedy, get a 4 or 5 if need be, or a player.

[StarAmongStars]

As reported Greg will be at the start of training camp but is still not happy with his reduced role on this defensive squad. He is on the wrong side of 30 and I'm sure wants to secure his remaining years in the NFL with a new contract. He may not be the perfect fit in Bill's 3-4 defense but good players will make plays in any system. This is not the year to have a troubled player in the locker room.I am sure Bill and Jerry want let him be a distraction very long. It's just a shame because he has been a good player for a long time on some bad teams and this would be a chance to finally get some rewards. How would you handle Greg and if he has to go what are you looking for the Cowboys to get in return?

Ellis needs to shut his mouth and know his role. There are no guarantees in professional sports, and I'm disappointed that he is playing the role of 'cancer' this offseason when everybody thought a certain new WR on this team was going to do it. :rolleyes:

[superpunk]

Ellis needs to shut his mouth and know his role.

Maybe the Rock could come to camp?

[StarAmongStars]

Maybe the Rock could come to camp?

I think we was a linebacker at miami wasn't he? :laugh1:

[Bleed Blue]

I think it's safe to say that most of the board believes that Ellis has a place on this defense. I think he would be awesome coming in on nickel situations and doing what he does.

But knowing that a guy is clearly not happy about the situation, and forcing him to do something he hates is bad business. Some team will come crying and begging for someone like Ellis, and that's when the Boys should pull the trigger.

Don't be greedy, get a 4 or 5 if need be, or a player.Preferably a player that can play now. It's time! and who knows how long Bill will be here.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think we was a linebacker at miami wasn't he? :laugh1:

Dwayne Johnson signed with Miami as a DT but played both DT and DE while at Miami.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think it's safe to say that most of the board believes that Ellis has a place on this defense. I think he would be awesome coming in on nickel situations and doing what he does.

But knowing that a guy is clearly not happy about the situation, and forcing him to do something he hates is bad business. Some team will come crying and begging for someone like Ellis, and that's when the Boys should pull the trigger.

Don't be greedy, get a 4 or 5 if need be, or a player.

I'm not as sold on the idea. Eventually, I think it will be a distraction but doesn't really matter. Doesn't look as if he's going anywhere.

[Vertigo_17]

I say cut him loose and don't let this hang over us. His heart's not going to be in it.

What kills me is the irony of the situation. He's basically doing the same thing TO did with the Eagles last year. Campaigns/Whines to the media, missed workouts, etc. The only thing that will make this go away is if they redo his existing contract.

Where's the media on this one - too busy talking about how TO's going to be a distraction. They Skip (no pun intended) over what's right there in their face with the way Ellis is acting. Again, I say cut him loose now.

[5Stars]

I say cut him loose and don't let this hang over us. His heart's not going to be in it.

What kills me is the irony of the situation. He's basically doing the same thing TO did with the Eagles last year. Campaigns/Whines to the media, missed workouts, etc. The only thing that will make this go away is if they redo his existing contract.

Where's the media on this one - too busy talking about how TO's going to be a distraction. They Skip (no pun intended) over what's right there in their face with the way Ellis is acting. Again, I say cut him loose now.

If he don't want to be here...ship his bad self outta here! Either that, or let him sit and stew on the bench while all of his teammates are working their butts off and winning him a SuperBowl Ring!

He says, "what does he (Parcells) know"? :eek: As if Ellis knows more! :mad:

Make him sit if we cannot trade him...see how he likes that!

:star:

[ghst187]

the best thing for us and Greg is for him to have 10 or 11 sacks in his reduced role and for him to then shut up about whether or not he'll playing time in the 3-4.

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd 1st see how Ellis handles his role in practice and preseason, if he isn't getting it, or isnt' showing any signs of getting it, and is still complaining, I'd cut him loose

[Bob Sacamano]

But to me, it's like asking Bledsoe to play in a bootleg oriented offense. They knew Ellis was not a 3-4 guy and should have traded him 2 years ago, but didn't. It's time to move on and let new guys step up.

but the thing is, if we were running a boot-leg oriented offense, we wouldn't have brought in Bledsoe in the 1st place, so it says something that Parcells feels that Ellis can play, and contribute, in the 3-4

[Bob Sacamano]

Hell yeah he should pay every cent back. But I don't know if I want a person playing half speed on a team that could be a Super Bowl contender.

but if we follow my plan, which is most undoubtedly Bill's too, let's see how Ellis responds to his role, you never know, he may find out that he's pretty good in it, and the crying will cease, and Ellis will play 100%

[Bleed Blue]

but if we follow my plan, which is most undoubtedly Bill's too, let's see how Ellis responds to his role, you never know, he may find out that he's pretty good in it, and the crying will cease, and Ellis will play 100%:lmao2:wow! what dream world you in? Never has a player mad it this far almost a year and a half and just gotten over it. The only way Greg will stop is if he finds there is no interest in the league. And i'm sure there will be a few camp injuries in a 4-3 system and then he will be impossible

[Bob Sacamano]

:lmao2:wow! what dream world you in? Never has a player mad it this far almost a year and a half and just gotten over it. The only way Greg will stop is if he finds there is no interest in the league. And i'm sure there will be a few camp injuries in a 4-3 system and then he will be impossible

excuse me, but what interest is Greg Ellis exactly getting? now I could see if teams were knocking down on our door, requesting him in a trade, that he'd have a point, so until then, he should shut up and play, and find out if he can succeed in his role

[Bleed Blue]

excuse me, but what interest is Greg Ellis exactly getting? now I could see if teams were knocking down on our door, requesting him in a trade, that he'd have a point, so until then, he should shut up and play, and find out if he can succeed in his role I did not say now! What i ment was if there is no interest and he finds himself with a choice to play or go home. That's a stupid point however because there's no way a 8-10 sack a year guy is going home for the season whitout playing somewhere. Those other teams would be crazy to start now asking about what it would take to get Greg. They will wait until the time is right, just because of his age. It's all about the stolen player and what's the least I can get him for. It would have to be a glaring need to do it now!

[The Answer]

The Cowboys need Greg Ellis, and Greg Ellis needs the Cowboys.....the offseason drama was unnecessary, but this fall Greg will show us why he has been one of the better players on this team this decade.....

~The Answer

[Tennione72]

Ellis needs to swallow his pride take the reduced role and play football. Parcells is trying to extend his career. I know he wants another pay day before he hangs 'em up but he is going about it the wrong way by complaining he needs to trust in his coach bottom line.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ellis needs to swallow his pride take the reduced role and play football. Parcells is trying to extend his career. I know he wants another pay day before he hangs 'em up but he is going about it the wrong way by complaining he needs to trust in his coach bottom line.


Could not disagree with this more. Ellis is in this situation because he took this approach to begin with. His error and now he is paying for it. Never the less, it's probably a moot point.

[ABQCOWBOY]

excuse me, but what interest is Greg Ellis exactly getting? now I could see if teams were knocking down on our door, requesting him in a trade, that he'd have a point, so until then, he should shut up and play, and find out if he can succeed in his role

I don't know of any interest and I don't know how we would find out this kind of info if the team did not disclose it. It is against league rules for clubs to speak to players who are under contract. It's tampering. It's also against the rules, I believe to make comment of it in the press. That too is tampering. The fact that we are not hearing anything is not telling, to me. The interest could be there and we would not know it. I do believe that if we indicated that Ellis was on the block, teams who run a 43 would be interested. I know that Denver would be. There starting Ekuban for Sakes.

[DLCassidy]

I don't know of any interest and I don't know how we would find out this kind of info if the team did not disclose it. It is against league rules for clubs to speak to players who are under contract. It's tampering. It's also against the rules, I believe to make comment of it in the press. That too is tampering. The fact that we are not hearing anything is not telling, to me. The interest could be there and we would not know it. I do believe that if we indicated that Ellis was on the block, teams who run a 43 would be interested. I know that Denver would be. There starting Ekuban for Sakes.

You're right. Just because no one's hearing anything doesn't mean conversations haven't taken place. It's not in the Cowboys interest to announce we're shopping Ellis, it would just reduce what we might be able to get. And it's not in Ellis' interest to formally demand a trade since that would put him in an awkward situation if a deal wasn't reached. Once camp starts this will probably die down. If Hatcher looks like a monster in camp or a 4-3 team that thinks they're in contention suffers an injury that could change but Ellis is probably coming to terms with the fact that he's here and he'll have to make the best of it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You're right. Just because no one's hearing anything doesn't mean conversations haven't taken place. It's not in the Cowboys interest to announce we're shopping Ellis, it would just reduce what we might be able to get. And it's not in Ellis' interest to formally demand a trade since that would put him in an awkward situation if a deal wasn't reached. Once camp starts this will probably die down. If Hatcher looks like a monster in camp or a 4-3 team that thinks they're in contention suffers an injury that could change but Ellis is probably coming to terms with the fact that he's here and he'll have to make the best of it.

I agree.