You know I hope we don't rue the day we signed TO

[X-Dawg]

i was jumping up and down the day we grabbed him - I got even more excited when IMO we fixed out OL...I was even happier that the deal was very fair money wise...
But now I keep seeing all these people telling me it's only a matter of time before TO an BP clash i.e. Golic etc...
Then I see TO on Bryant Gumble on HBO and I'm like this guy is a definite flake...
Now - I'm ruelly worried about sidelines antics etc....

[JackMagist]

i was jumping up and down the day we grabbed him - I got even more excited when IMO we fixed out OL...I was even happier that the deal was very fair money wise...
But now I keep seeing all these people telling me it's only a matter of time before TO an BP clash i.e. Golic etc...
Then I see TO on Bryant Gumble on HBO and I'm like this guy is a definite flake...
Now - I'm ruelly worried about sidelines antics etc....Join the watch bud...there are a lot of us in that boat waiting for the other shoe to drop with Owens. I do want to get the one good year that I expect from him before he blows but who knows. And anything over one year will be gravey.

[the kid 05]

what the heck is rue?

[Dale]

I'm not worried, to be honest. If he blows up, so what? This wasn't a Super Bowl team without him. As others have said here, this isn't a high-risk signing in that sense. What's he going to do, prevent us from finishing third in the division again with a slightly-better-than .500 record?

Replace TO with Keyshawn Johnson or Eric Moulds, and I'm not sure I like our chances this season. With TO, at least there's that chance that his performance on the field will outweigh his mouth on and off it.

Parcells is, what, .333 in making the playoffs so far? Ugh. This squad needed to take a chance. And I like the chance we've taken because, like I said, I don't think the risk is all that high considering where we've been the last two years.

[JackMagist]

what the heck is rue?
rue (roo)

v. To feel regret, remorse, or sorrow.

[X-Dawg]

I'm not worried, to be honest. If he blows up, so what? This wasn't a Super Bowl team without him. As others have said here, this isn't a high-risk signing in that sense. What's he going to do, prevent us from finishing third in the division again with a slightly-better-than .500 record?

Replace TO with Keyshawn Johnson or Eric Moulds, and I'm not sure I like our chances this season. With TO, at least there's that chance that his performance on the field will outweigh his mouth on and off it.
Um - I'm not sure what you're saying - with him playing well we have a SB shot? but if he blows up so what?

[the kid 05]

rue (roo)

v. To feel regret, remorse, or sorrow.

thank you sir.

[Fla Cowpoke]

I agree with Dale. A move like this might win us a couple games, and 11-5 sounds much better than 9-7. And the risk is almost nil.

[Coakleys Dad]

i cant wait to see him catch that first touchdown. Thats gonna be sweet.

[JackMagist]

I agree with Dale. A move like this might win us a couple games, and 11-5 sounds much better than 9-7. And the risk is almost nil.Yes and you and Dale will be right...unless or until Owens blows up. Then with the team in total disarray and going 6-10 again there will be all manner of bemoaning (not to mention ruing) the decision to sign him. The forum will be filled with post saying "I can't believe he did this to us!!"

So if/when it happens just remember, "We knew what he was when we picked him up"

[Dale]

Yes and you and Dale will be right...unless or until Owens blows up. Then with the team in total disarray and going 6-10 again there will be all manner of bemoaning (not to mention ruing) the decision to sign him. The forum will be filled with post saying "I can't believe he did this to us!!"

So if/when it happens just remember, "We knew what he was when we picked him up"

But that's exactly my point, Jack. What's the risk even if he does blow up? We go 6-10 instead of 8-8?

Like I said, I didn't see this team being playoff caliber until we signed him. Had we just stood pat at receiver with Keyshawn I thought there might have been an outside shot, at best.

That's why I don't see the huge risk even if he does erupt. So instead of finishing third in the division with a 9-7 mark, we finish last at 6-10? Whoopty do.

I support the move because I believe this team was in desperate need of trying something along these lines. Parcells is barely above .500 since coming here and is only hitting .333 when it comes to making the playoffs. That may be a nice average in baseball, but not in this context.

I entirely see the downside involved here. I just won't "rue" the day we signed him if he does erupt because I didn't think we were going to be any better than average without him.

At least now, given his talent, there's a chance to do something in the postseason "if" things go well.

Just my .02.

[JackMagist]

But that's exactly my point, Jack. What's the risk even if he does blow up? We go 6-10 instead of 8-8?

Like I said, I didn't see this team being playoff caliber until we signed him. Had we just stood pat at receiver with Keyshawn I thought there might have been an outside shot, at best.

That's why I don't see the huge risk even if he does erupt. So instead of finishing third in the division with a 9-7 mark, we finish last at 6-10? Whoopty do.

I support the move because I believe this team was in desperate need of trying something along these lines. Parcells is barely above .500 since coming here and is only hitting .333 when it comes to making the playoffs. That may be a nice average in baseball, but not in this context.

I entirely see the downside involved here. I just won't "rue" the day we signed him if he does erupt because I didn't think we were going to be any better than average without him.

At least now, given his talent, there's a chance to do something in the postseason "if" things go well.

Just my .02.I understand your "miss is as good as a mile" premise. The worst it can do is give us a higher draft pick, right?

Unless of course the year we spend recovering from the TO ****storm would otherwise have been the year that we would have put it all together and won without him. That is the risk...that is the factor (unverifiable though it would be) that bothers me.

[SkinsFanMania]

Parcells is, what, .333 in making the playoffs so far? Ugh. This squad needed to take a chance. And I like the chance we've taken because, like I said, I don't think the risk is all that high considering where we've been the last two years.

Super Bowls Bill Parcells has won without Bill Belichick as defensive coordinator - ZERO and its going to stay that way.

[JackMagist]

Super Bowls Bill Parcells has won without Bill Belichick as defensive coordinator - ZERO and its going to stay that way.Hmmm...same number that Gibbs has won without Earhart (sp?).

Go home :skins:

[Dale]

Super Bowls Bill Parcells has won without Bill Belichick as defensive coordinator - ZERO and its going to stay that way.

Spare me with the simplistic thinking, please.

You're the type that give teenagers a bad name.

[Coakleys Dad]

Super Bowls Bill Parcells has won without Bill Belichick as defensive coordinator - ZERO and its going to stay that way.

Go back to your incredible team of winners, see if sean taylor is off house arrest, and stop by Mark Brunells house on your way home to give him his Geritol..... go play with youre toys little boy...:chainsaw:

[Dale]

I understand your "miss is as good as a mile" premise. The worst it can do is give us a higher draft pick, right?

Unless of course the year we spend recovering from the TO ****storm would otherwise have been the year that we would have put it all together and won without him. That is the risk...that is the factor (unverifiable though it would be) that bothers me.

True. It's hard for me to look too far into the future, though, given the age of our coach (and my fear of who will replace him). Maybe that is jading my outlook.

[bbgun]

I'm not worried about TO and Parcells. I'm worried about TO on a team without Parcells (or someone just as forceful). 2007 is the "be afraid" year.

[Da Hammer]

I'm not worried, to be honest. If he blows up, so what? This wasn't a Super Bowl team without him. As others have said here, this isn't a high-risk signing in that sense. What's he going to do, prevent us from finishing third in the division again with a slightly-better-than .500 record?

Replace TO with Keyshawn Johnson or Eric Moulds, and I'm not sure I like our chances this season. With TO, at least there's that chance that his performance on the field will outweigh his mouth on and off it.

Parcells is, what, .333 in making the playoffs so far? Ugh. This squad needed to take a chance. And I like the chance we've taken because, like I said, I don't think the risk is all that high considering where we've been the last two years.
:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
i was gonna post the exact same thing. if we were a team like lets say the Eagles that made it 3 years in a row to the NFC championship game and then we got T.O then maybe i would be worried because we would already be a great team and to get a player that could make or break us would be foolish. but here i see no risk because we have pretty much been broke the last decade, but now with him we have the potential of going from a solid team to a great team with of course help from other signings and draft picks we made.

[parchy]

I understand your "miss is as good as a mile" premise. The worst it can do is give us a higher draft pick, right?

Unless of course the year we spend recovering from the TO ****storm would otherwise have been the year that we would have put it all together and won without him. That is the risk...that is the factor (unverifiable though it would be) that bothers me.

But you can never predict things like that. You never know if we would have broken through without a big-time offensive star like that, so you might as well go ahead with it, y'know?

[THUMPER]

But that's exactly my point, Jack. What's the risk even if he does blow up? We go 6-10 instead of 8-8?

Like I said, I didn't see this team being playoff caliber until we signed him. Had we just stood pat at receiver with Keyshawn I thought there might have been an outside shot, at best.

That's why I don't see the huge risk even if he does erupt. So instead of finishing third in the division with a 9-7 mark, we finish last at 6-10? Whoopty do.

I support the move because I believe this team was in desperate need of trying something along these lines. Parcells is barely above .500 since coming here and is only hitting .333 when it comes to making the playoffs. That may be a nice average in baseball, but not in this context.

I entirely see the downside involved here. I just won't "rue" the day we signed him if he does erupt because I didn't think we were going to be any better than average without him.

At least now, given his talent, there's a chance to do something in the postseason "if" things go well.

Just my .02.

I disagree. We were a playoff caliber team last year but missed because we didn't have a kicker. If we had one we would have gone at least 11-5 and probably 12-4.

Before Flozell went down we were well on our way to the playoffs but since we had no depth at OT, when he got hurt, the team went downhill. But even then we could have made the playoffs with a decent kicker.

WR was NOT our problem last season, K, OL, and FS were and we have addressed all 3 areas to some degree. We signed Vanderjagt (although I would have preferred Vinatieri), signed Fabini and Kosier to help on the O-Line, and brought in Coleman and drafted Watkins at FS. To my mind these were more important moves than signing Owens was.

Owens gives us some more options on offense, that's it. He is not going to single-handedly turn the team around and in fact that very mentality is what is most likely to bring about a meltdown on his part. The more he believes he is the "savior" the more he will throw tantrums when he isn't treated as such. When Bledsoe doesn't throw him the ball every time Terrell thinks he is open (which is every play) then eventually we will see him go off.

I still believe it was a HUGE mistake to sign Owens. We didn't need HIM and could have made a SB run with another WR just as easily assuming we took care of those other areas.

Just my opinion though.

[junk]

I rue the day that people started saying "rue the day".

[Doomsday101]

i was jumping up and down the day we grabbed him - I got even more excited when IMO we fixed out OL...I was even happier that the deal was very fair money wise...
But now I keep seeing all these people telling me it's only a matter of time before TO an BP clash i.e. Golic etc...
Then I see TO on Bryant Gumble on HBO and I'm like this guy is a definite flake...
Now - I'm ruelly worried about sidelines antics etc....

Fear the worst and hope for the best. Many will tell all the reason why this time will be different but the bottom line is TO is the only one who can make this time different. I clearly hope he can.

[REDVOLUTION]

I think if we utilize TO enough (or more than enough) he and the Cowboys will be happy.... there was a time when the #1 WR was the go-to-guy on ALOT of plays... we need to bring that back... overload the D's with a heavy dose of TO and then unleash our other weapons... the last thing we need to do is to have a balanced attack when TO clearly tips the scales of balance in his "receiving" favor... in summary.... the ball will have to see TO's hands more often than not...

[BARRYRAY]

I disagree that wr wasn't a problem last year, they played man on key without fear of getting burned, they had the safety up in the box, TO is a playmaker, he will make us a playoff team, you watch, I thumbed his book at lunch in the bookstore, he has serious venum for the Eagles, we play um twice, somebody needs to help us put the hurt on them, he is the best wr seen here in years, we will be a passing team this year jsut watch, no more doubles on Terry Glenn, some of the o-line problems were because they had eight in the box and Key is slower than molasses, might be a great blocker and on the down and out but this guy can flat out take it ot the house...

[JIGGYFLY]

I understand your "miss is as good as a mile" premise. The worst it can do is give us a higher draft pick, right?

Unless of course the year we spend recovering from the TO ****storm would otherwise have been the year that we would have put it all together and won without him. That is the risk...that is the factor (unverifiable though it would be) that bothers me.

Not trying to start anything but I would like 1 person to explain to me what can TO do that it would take a year to recoover from, do you think this team is that fragile? because if it is we are not contenders anyway.

I think TO is a huge flake myself but IMO the worst that can happen is next year we are looking for another #1 receiver I could care less about what is said if it does not work out, which seems to be most posters are really concerned about.

I think it will work but if it does not it was still worth the gamble.

[Bob Sacamano]

Not trying to start anything but I would like 1 person to explain to me what can TO do that it would take a year to recoover from, do you think this team is that fragile? because if it is we are not contenders anyway.

true, being a ****ty team and piling up on injuries is what did the 9ers and Eagles in, not TO

[aikemirv]

3 Wr we could have had this year if we had not gone after T.O.

Javon Walker
Ashley Lelie
Jerry Porter

That is the risk here I think more than anything. I think the offensive core of Bledsoe,Glenn,Witten, Jones can survivie any storm that T.O. may create.

If T.O. does blow up and we could have gotten Javon Walker I think that would be a big long term loss. The other 2 I don't think would be a great loss.

[REDVOLUTION]

Not trying to start anything but I would like 1 person to explain to me what can TO do that it would take a year to recoover from, do you think this team is that fragile? because if it is we are not contenders anyway.

I think TO is a huge flake myself but IMO the worst that can happen is next year we are looking for another #1 receiver I could care less about what is said if it does not work out, which seems to be most posters are really concerned about.

I think it will work but if it does not it was still worth the gamble.

Yes a much cheaper gamble than Galloway... in many ways....

[pez]

I don't think the question to ask, is whether TO will act out or not.... it is his personality... it will happen sooner or later. I think the question is, how will the team react to his crap? The 49'rs and the Eagles both had meltdowns in the lockerrooms and on the field. I don't know what the cowboys lockerroom is like right now, but if they want to succeed, they are gonna have to have a strong chin to handle TO's lashings....

[CaptainAmerica]

The media and a lot of posters act like Parcells is the Principal in a high school who is just itching and waiting to come down on T.O. and show him who is boss.
That is not Parcells' view of his job. He doesn't mind a guy being mouthy as long as that guy works and does his job, which T.O. will do. T.O. is out to show the world this year how good he really is and we are lucky to have him at this point in his career.

I also agree with Dale's comments. What is T.O. going to do? Keep us from being a 9-7 team with no hope of competing for the top prize?

No risk. No reward.

[SA_Gunslinger]

here's why i'm not stressed...


-he is motivated
-he has something to prove
-he got paid


besides, if he does flake out on us, i'll go right back to hating him. and his nfl career will likely be over.

fine by me.


no sense worrying about it.

[5Stars]

I don't think the question to ask, is whether TO will act out or not.... it is his personality... it will happen sooner or later. I think the question is, how will the team react to his crap? The 49'rs and the Eagles both had meltdowns in the lockerrooms and on the field. I don't know what the cowboys lockerroom is like right now, but if they want to succeed, they are gonna have to have a strong chin to handle TO's lashings....

How do you know all this? Did little Art tell you all about it?

:dissskin: Good dog, Gibbs...(he's a damn good dog)!

[JIGGYFLY]

true, being a ****ty team and piling up on injuries is what did the 9ers and Eagles in, not TO

So obvious if you stop drinking the haterade.

[Doomsday101]

I don't think the question to ask, is whether TO will act out or not.... it is his personality... it will happen sooner or later. I think the question is, how will the team react to his crap? The 49'rs and the Eagles both had meltdowns in the lockerrooms and on the field. I don't know what the cowboys lockerroom is like right now, but if they want to succeed, they are gonna have to have a strong chin to handle TO's lashings....

I would agree however I would much rather see TO vent in the locker room than on ESPN. Personally I see a chance for a major TO melt down should Dallas fail to beat Philly. I don't care much for players putting so much emphasis on 1 or 2 games in a 16 week schedule. As much talking as TO has been doing about this game I could see that as a bad situation if this team does not win that 1st meeting.

[Bob Sacamano]

I would agree however I would much rather see TO vent in the locker room than on ESPN. Personally I see a chance for a major TO melt down should Dallas fail to beat Philly. I don't care much for players putting so much emphasis on 1 or 2 games in a 16 week schedule. As much talking as TO has been doing about this game I could see that as a bad situation if this team does not win that 1st meeting.

if we dont' beat the Eagles, that would mean TO didn't have a great game, so I don't think he'd spout off, now if he does, and we still lose, then he probably would

[5Stars]

I would agree however I would much rather see TO vent in the locker room than on ESPN. Personally I see a chance for a major TO melt down should Dallas fail to beat Philly. I don't care much for players putting so much emphasis on 1 or 2 games in a 16 week schedule. As much talking as TO has been doing about this game I could see that as a bad situation if this team does not win that 1st meeting.

Don't worry about winning that game! The Cowboys are gonna stomp them in the ground...just like they are gonna do to that RedStink team and their Little Marching Band in the first game...

No problem...

:star:

[aikemirv]

I think the biggest threat of a T.O. blowup would be if Terry Glenn ends up having a bigger year and gets more press than T.O.

I think that could very well happen because:

TG will have a ton of man to man coverage
We know Bledsoe and TG have great chemistry
T.O. will be the one getting the double coverage

I am not sure T.O.'S Ego could handle that.

[Alexander]

The media and a lot of posters act like Parcells is the Principal in a high school who is just itching and waiting to come down on T.O. and show him who is boss.
That is not Parcells' view of his job. He doesn't mind a guy being mouthy as long as that guy works and does his job, which T.O. will do. T.O. is out to show the world this year how good he really is and we are lucky to have him at this point in his career.

It's also not a two man show.

It is not like it is just a battle of wills between Owens and Parcells.

There are fifty other personalities called his teammates that have a say as well. Owens is a player driven by passion and one who doesn't think before he opens his mouth. If he has the same nefarious intentions here that some honestly think he did in S.F. and Philadelphia, I have enough faith in the will of the personalities on this team to overcome it. Everyone saw how Keyshawn Johnson became just another player here. I don't think Owens will be that much different.

[Doomsday101]

Don't worry about winning that game! The Cowboys are gonna stomp them in the ground...just like they are gonna do to that RedStink team and their Little Marching Band in the first game...

No problem...

:star:

I played sports lone enough and have watched it long enough to know there is no sure things. Dallas should be the favor to win but being favored and winning the game is 2 different things. I'm just saying should the unexpected happen then yes that could be the 1st melt down we see.

[pez]

How do you know all this? Did little Art tell you all about it?

:dissskin: Good dog, Gibbs...(he's a damn good dog)!

5 stars... not trying to start anything here... this is purely by observation. What team hasn't he caused trouble on? I think that you could actually be successful with TO, but as I have stated before, it depends on how your team deals with his "character".

BTW 5 stars - I am not here to be an *** or anything, I am into purely talking football. Since you mentioned Art, I am sure you are aware of extremeskins which I am a part of. If you look at my history, I don't attack any of the dallas fans on our board.

[5Stars]

5 stars... not trying to start anything here... this is purely by observation. What team hasn't he caused trouble on? I think that you could actually be successful with TO, but as I have stated before, it depends on how your team deals with his "character".

BTW 5 stars - I am not here to be an *** or anything, I am into purely talking football. Since you mentioned Art, I am sure you are aware of extremeskins which I am a part of. If you look at my history, I don't attack any of the dallas fans on our board.

Where have you been the last, what, 7 or 8 years? You just decide to show up this year?

If you look at my history, you can see I don't care about anything that has to do with the RedStinks...and that includes you...

You guys win two games, and all of a sudden this whole board gets infested with your kind...

So, put me on ignore...or

:dissskin:

[ConcordCowboy]

Not worried about Owens at all.

Man just enjoy the start of Football season.

I watched him on Real Sports and he didn't say or do anything to make me nervous. He thinks he was wronged and the Media is out to get him...Stuff he's already said before...No big deal.

If Owens can bring this team down by himself then Parcells isn't half the Coach that people think he is.

Personally I think Owens and Parcells will get along just fine...As long as they don't kill each other first.:D

[ravidubey]

I
Parcells is, what, .333 in making the playoffs so far? Ugh. This squad needed to take a chance. And I like the chance we've taken because, like I said, I don't think the risk is all that high considering where we've been the last two years.

Considering the Cowboys were extremely close to being a playoff team and had either beaten or nearly beaten 4 of the 6 NFC playoff teams you'd have to say the team was headed in the right direction after the bottom fell out in 2004. This was a team that was in command of its own destiny until key injuries torpedoed it. No other playoff team lost a probowl-calibre starting LOT, starting RB, or probowl-calibre starting CB until the Giants at the end of the year and the Panthers in the playoffs itself.

If Dallas loses at these or similar positions again, they will be back in the same boat regardless of TO or Keyshawn Johnson. Superbowl teams do not have multiple injuries at: #1WR, QB, OT, OLB/DE, CB, or #1RB. Good depth can help cover one injury, but no team has the depth to overcome a key loss at any two or more of those spots.

Also, I don't think TO's pouting was at all a factor in the Eagles success or demise last season. Let's be real, and stop over-dramatizing this like the media loves to do. There's absolutely no evidence that it was Owens who caused McNabb to be ridiculously inconsistent, for their defense to be unable to stop anyone, or for Reid to build a game plan solely on the passing game! If Reid adopted this gameplan because of TO, then he should be cained. If McNabb was a non-factor because he was distracted by TO then he's a total baby. Even at a stretch, I can't see how TO's to blame for the Eagles' defensive woes. The whole "TO is to blame" concept is a media invention with does not bear close scrutiny.

[justbob]

Yes and you and Dale will be right...unless or until Owens blows up. Then with the team in total disarray and going 6-10 again there will be all manner of bemoaning (not to mention ruing) the decision to sign him. The forum will be filled with post saying "I can't believe he did this to us!!"

So if/when it happens just remember, "We knew what he was when we picked him up"

The same attitude is out there with alot of the best wide recievers-
I didn't like him, I wasn't for signing him ---But---We got him and he does make this team better. We can sit around and worry about all the injuries we may or may not have just as easy as you can worry about TO. Just
enjoy the possibilitesand potential of this team. We will moan and worry about TO and/or injuries if any of it happens

[Bob Sacamano]

The whole "TO is to blame" concept is a media invention with does not bear close scrutiny.

:hammer:

[junk]

5 stars... not trying to start anything here... this is purely by observation. What team hasn't he caused trouble on? I think that you could actually be successful with TO, but as I have stated before, it depends on how your team deals with his "character".

BTW 5 stars - I am not here to be an *** or anything, I am into purely talking football. Since you mentioned Art, I am sure you are aware of extremeskins which I am a part of. If you look at my history, I don't attack any of the dallas fans on our board.

Don't let some of the goofballs run you off. I, for one, appreciate talking football with fans from other teams as long as it is civil.

[pez]

Don't let some of the goofballs run you off. I, for one, appreciate talking football with fans from other teams as long as it is civil.

Thanks junk.... trust me, whether I like it or not, some cowboy fans have received similiar responses on ES, but generally we all like chatting with fellow rivals and we actually have quite a few long time respected posters from other teams...

[5Stars]

Thanks junk.... trust me, whether I like it or not, some cowboy fans have received similiar responses on ES, but generally we all like chatting with fellow rivals and we actually have quite a few long time respected posters from other teams...

So, after 7 or 8 years, you now want to come over here and talk football?

Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

:star:

[pez]

So, after 7 or 8 years, you now want to come over here and talk football?

Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

:star:

I don't want to get in an issue with you, but I didn't even register with ES until a couple years ago. I have been signing up on boards all over since then, and I signed up for this site last year. I totally forgot about this site until someone posted a link on ES. Whatever you want to think is fine, but I didn't come here to start anything.

Have I said anything negative about the cowboys at all on here? If it makes you feel better, you guys have owned us for along time, and it hasn't really been a rivalry until recently.