Why not give Ellis a trade?

[GoodOleDays]

Why waste our cap space in the future years for a guy who doesnt fit the system and clearly doesnt even want to be here? I say we trade ellis to the highest bidder be it a 3rd or 4th round pick, or a swap for a legit RT or FS. Why let Ellis's negative attitude affect our young defense all year long?

After we got Hatcher I knew Ellis wasn't going to crack the starting lineup.. we've got depth without Ellis.. Trade him please.

[Yeagermeister]

Why waste our cap space in the future years for a guy who doesnt fit the system and clearly doesnt even want to be here? I say we trade ellis to the highest bidder be it a 3rd or 4th round pick, or a swap for a legit RT or FS. Why let Ellis's negative attitude affect our young defense all year long?

After we got Hatcher I knew Ellis wasn't going to crack the starting lineup.. we've got depth without Ellis.. Trade him please.
Because Hatcher is a very raw rookie and Ellis is a seasoned vet.

[t.o.boys81]

I can see us trading Ellis next year, but not this year.

[Yeagermeister]

I can see us trading Ellis next year, but not this year.
Or if Hatcher shows out in TC

[America's Team]

Why waste our cap space in the future years for a guy who doesnt fit the system and clearly doesnt even want to be here? I say we trade ellis to the highest bidder be it a 3rd or 4th round pick, or a swap for a legit RT or FS. Why let Ellis's negative attitude affect our young defense all year long?

After we got Hatcher I knew Ellis wasn't going to crack the starting lineup.. we've got depth without Ellis.. Trade him please.


you cant just throw a rookie to the lions just like that, and without ellis we have no depth.

[AbeBeta]

Or if Hatcher shows out in TC

Even if Hatcher shows something huge in TC, he won't be able to give you a huge contribution this year -- rookies fade hard during the season and he's making a huge jump.

[Yeagermeister]

Even if Hatcher shows something huge in TC, he won't be able to give you a huge contribution this year -- rookies fade hard during the season and he's making a huge jump.
You won't get any arguement from me on that.

[Doomsday101]

Apparently Ellis options is play or retire at least according to BP. I think Ellis will go out and do his job and depending on what happens this season will determine his future with this club or with someone else.

[t.o.boys81]

I'd give Hatcher a year getting used to the system with Greg Ellis there, and then let Ellis go when Hatcher is more seasoned, meaning next year.

[Vertigo_17]

Even if Hatcher is solid - keep Ellis for security. Just make him stew on the bench

[cowboyjoe]

Ok, think about this, if ou trade Ellis, whom is the only second player last year that got 8 sacks, and if something happens to Ware God forbid, then you dont have a pass rusher.

ITs like Parcells said, (of course ive heard JJT i think say they told ellis he could pursue a trade to a 4-3 team) Parcells said, Ellis has 2 options, play or retire.

Do you think Ellis is going to retire, i dont think so.

So, I think Ellis should buckle up and play, sure he has a reason to be upset when Parcells played Canty more last year, and we suffered on defense. But now Canty has more experience. So, in reality, Ellis should benefit from this move, and he should look at it another way, and someone should bring this up to him

In 1992, the Dallas Cowboys traded for Charles Haley, whom helped the Cowboys with his fierce pass rush get to the super bowl. Jim Jeffcoat was 2nd string, but at same time, the Dallas Cowboys defense was # 1 in the NFL when we plalyed the Eagles in conference game.

So, if Jim Jeffcoat, whom was a starter played 2nd team, etc, so should Ellis. At the same time, Ellis is under contract until 2009 end of season, so he should play.

[Jimz31]

Hopefully, Ellis will play his butt off do get a better payday next year by another team. That way, both he and the team both benefit.

Also, perhaps be beats out some competition in there and begins to like the "new" defense. Maybe, through his better play, BP keeps him in there longer than he otherwise thought he would be.

[GoodOleDays]

Hopefully, Ellis will play his butt off do get a better payday next year by another team. That way, both he and the team both benefit.

Also, perhaps be beats out some competition in there and begins to like the "new" defense. Maybe, through his better play, BP keeps him in there longer than he otherwise thought he would be.

Thats the exact same logic everyone had about him last year, but at what point do we pull the plug on ellis? He could still be a full time starter for another team and be producing good sack numbers, that in and of itself creates value for him. I say trade him to a team desperately needing a pass rushing 4-3 DE for as high of a draft pick as you can get. His contract is friendly for a trade, hes bringing a negative vibe to our young D, cut the cord and let him go elsewhere.

Next year he will be a year older and the value for him goes down, theres got to be serious trade considerations here.

[5Stars]

If Ellis is smart...he heard what his coach had to say...

He can play, or retire...

If he's smart, and I hope he is...he will have a good year and help this team.

Or....? :cool:

I hope he understands that...it was directly from the Tuna.

:star:

[TheHustler]

We only have 2 proven pass rushers. I'm not willing to trade one of them because he is unhappy.

[Kittymama]

I've got 3 thoughts on why Parcells said what he did:

1) You've got to nip that type of thing in the bud. The minute you give in to one disgruntled player, you've sent a message to the rest of the team. Guaranteed you'll get repeat performances (witness the Bengals after they let Dillon walk). The Pats are taking the same line with Seymour--play or sit home & don't get paid.

2) Ellis clearly understands that he's got no choice but to knuckle down & play. Even tho he's pouting, he & his agent have to be smart enough to realize that playing under Parcells burnishes your resume. Look at LA--he & Parcells never really got along, but he kept his mouth shut, did what was asked of him, & managed a fairly decent contract from SFO even at his age.

3) It also may help bump up his trade value. If you make noises that you want to trade him, teams will realize that & be less likely to offer you something in return (figuring you'll cut the guy). Say something like Parcells did publicly, then quietly ask around--at least you've got some leverage for trading him, since teams realize you will keep him rather than cut him.

[MichaelWinicki]

Ellis isn't going anywhere.

Our pass rush (or lack there-of) won't survive the loss of our 2nd best pass rusher.

[Chuck 54]

I predict that if Ellis is not the starter, he will be very very unhappy, and it won't be a secret either. I believe they will be willing to trade Greg Ellis, but it's too early to give him away for nothing. Let someone lose a starting DE in training camp (and they will), and then you'll see a team willing to give a little more for Greg Ellis than they should.

That's my opinion anyway...if no one offers jack, then they'll put up with his unhappiness.

[Dough Boy]

Why not give Ellis a trad.
Simply put, you can not afford to allow the inmates to run the asylum.

[GoodOleDays]

I'd take a 3rd rounder for him in a heartbeat, but hes aging so I doubt a team dishes that out.

[big dog cowboy]

We only have 2 proven pass rushers. I'm not willing to trade one of them because he is unhappy.
:hammer:

[trickblue]

We only have 2 proven pass rushers. I'm not willing to trade one of them because he is unhappy.

While I agree, it's not that simple...

The vermin known as the Dallas media will seek him out weekly and try to get a negative quote, just like they will do with Owens...

I don't know what the answer is at this point. I do know that I have lost all respect for Ellis as he IS under contract and making millions...

[big dog cowboy]

I do know that I have lost all respect for Ellis as he IS under contract and making millions...
That bandwagon is filling up fast.

[JackMagist]

If Ellis plays well as a situational player this year (whether he likes it or not) his trade value will be higher. Right now no one will give us anything for him because they think we just want to get rid of him and don't need him. If he plays well as a situational pass rusher his value will go up. As of right now we are not going to make any trade until we find out how good Hatcher and Carpenter are. If Carpenter can pass rush then we don't need Ellis as much and if Hatcher is a decent DE then we need Ellis even that much less. But don't expect any deals to get done until Parcells is satisfied with those two.

[LatinMind]

Why waste our cap space in the future years for a guy who doesnt fit the system and clearly doesnt even want to be here? I say we trade ellis to the highest bidder be it a 3rd or 4th round pick, or a swap for a legit RT or FS. Why let Ellis's negative attitude affect our young defense all year long?

After we got Hatcher I knew Ellis wasn't going to crack the starting lineup.. we've got depth without Ellis.. Trade him please.

because without ellis, dallas only has one proven passrusher..and thats ware..ellis is needed no matter if fans dont like the idea, without him, this defense does get very much pressure..especially in the nickle..and with the teams dallas plays this yr, they'll be playing more nickle then any other scheme this yr

[STSINAZ]

ONCE hatcher and ratliff start going off with ware, spears and canty...he will be traded...they are waiting to see what they do

[ZeroClub]

Why waste our cap space in the future years for a guy who doesnt fit the system and clearly doesnt even want to be here? I say we trade ellis to the highest bidder be it a 3rd or 4th round pick, or a swap for a legit RT or FS. Why let Ellis's negative attitude affect our young defense all year long?

After we got Hatcher I knew Ellis wasn't going to crack the starting lineup.. we've got depth without Ellis.. Trade him please.For the reasons you mention, I'm on board with trading Ellis if the Cowboys can get a veteran player of similar quality for him.

The Cowboys are trying to win now. An extra 2007 3rd or 4th round pick doesn't help now.

[big dog cowboy]

For the reasons you mention, I'm on board with trading Ellis if the Cowboys can get a veteran player of similar quality for him.

The Cowboys are trying to win now. An extra 2007 3rd or 4th round pick doesn't help now.
If Ellis were to be traded I would be shocked if it was for another player. Those kind of trades are pretty rare any more. Besides you know JJ will want that extra draft pick next year.

[ZeroClub]

If Ellis were to be traded I would be shocked if it was for another player. Those kind of trades are pretty rare any more.No doubt it is true that player-for-player trades don't happen very often. They are difficult to pull off. But they can happen and one would think they Cowboys would prefer a player who can contribute now over a future pick.Besides you know JJ will want that extra draft pick next year.JJ likes extra draft picks. Not sure that he'd be willing to part with Eillis this year for a future pick, though.

[MichaelWinicki]

If Ellis plays well as a situational player this year (whether he likes it or not) his trade value will be higher. Right now no one will give us anything for him because they think we just want to get rid of him and don't need him. If he plays well as a situational pass rusher his value will go up. As of right now we are not going to make any trade until we find out how good Hatcher and Carpenter are. If Carpenter can pass rush then we don't need Ellis as much and if Hatcher is a decent DE then we need Ellis even that much less. But don't expect any deals to get done until Parcells is satisfied with those two.

Well said communicator...

The weakest part of this defense is the pass rush and you just can't banish your 2nd best pass rusher for a can of beans and tray of nachos.

[MichaelWinicki]

and with the teams dallas plays this yr, they'll be playing more nickle then any other scheme this yr



Personally I think our "Nickel defense" with Canty or Spears moving to DT, Ware at DE, Ellis at DE, taking a linebacker off of the field and bringing in Glenn is a better defense than our 3-4-- that way Roy can operate as a SS/LB.

[Redball Express]

The team is one injury on the DL from Ellis starting at DE/DT..then he gets his snaps regardless of his *****es.

This whole thing is about Glover's deal now that he's left. Ellis thinks that he can leave here and that he will command a last big contract like Glover has and leave the NFl on a big golden parachute.

Ain't going to happen. Ellis has NEVER gone to a Pro Bowl because he's not good enough. Never has been. He's a mid-level talent that up until now, has been our only talent, other than Glover, along a weak-puppy DL.

We now have taken big strides and spent huge amounts of money and draft picks to rebuild the DL and Ellis is unhappy as he's not gotten any of the bling that's being thrown around.

Sorry, he has a contract and he must play.

Unless some team gets an injury in their 4-3 line and they need a DT like Ellis and that team has something we want..like a DB or an OL, etc.

Then, through happenstance and bad luck to somebody, Ellis gets his wish.

But otherwise..no.

Play or sit or retire.

parcellswaterboy

[MichaelWinicki]

The team is one injury on the DL from Ellis starting at DE/DT..then he gets his snaps regardless of his *****es.

This whole thing is about Glover's deal now that he's left. Ellis thinks that he can leave here and that he will command a last big contract like Glover has and leave the NFl on a big golden parachute.

Ain't going to happen. Ellis has NEVER gone to a Pro Bowl because he's not good enough. Never has been. He's a mid-level talent that up until now, has been our only talent, other than Glover, along a weak-puppy DL.

We now have taken big strides and spent huge amounts of money and draft picks to rebuild the DL and Ellis is unhappy as he's not gotten any of the bling that's being thrown around.

Sorry, he has a contract and he must play.

Unless some team gets an injury in their 4-3 line and they need a DT like Ellis and that team has something we want..like a DB or an OL, etc.

Then, through happenstance and bad luck to somebody, Ellis gets his wish.

But otherwise..no.

Play or sit or retire.

parcellswaterboy


I'm sure contract is part of it... but also is the desire to be a starter in a scheme that he's use too. I can udnerstand that. No one likes change and a 30-some-year-old 4-3 DE is probably pretty rigid.