Eagles owner regrets signing owens

[felix360]

i searched and didnt see this anywhere


Lurie: Signing Owens was a mistake

/ Associated Press
Posted: 2 hours ago

BETHLEHEM, Pa. (AP) - Now that Terrell Owens (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/70702) is gone from Philadelphia, Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058) owner Jeffrey Lurie says it was a mistake to sign the outspoken wide receiver.





"I would not do it again," Lurie said Wednesday in his annual state-of-the-team address. "You look back on it - one year great, the second year a disaster. Nobody should be able to be as disruptive and really cut the energy of the team down.

"I think we all learned from that."

During his first year in Philadelphia, Owens helped the Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058) reach their first Super Bowl since the 1980 season. But he was a major disruption throughout last season. The Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058) endured a dismal, injury-plagued 6-10 season, and Owens' tenure in Philadelphia ended bitterly.

He signed on with the Dallas Cowboys (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67043), one of the Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058)' main rivals in the NFC East.

"If you don't have the chemistry, the talent and the help, with high-character people, you're not going to survive those downturns in the middle of the season," Lurie said.

However, Lurie won't let the Owens experiment make him more cautious.

"I'll always try to be aggressive and take risks and be willing to make mistakes," he said. "Yet at the same time when we're in the draft room or approaching free agency or picking up players or trading for players, character is probably No. 1. "If you don't get past the character test, the teamwork test, you're not going to be on the Philadelphia Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058)."

[dargonking999]

Hmm so how did owens make it there in the first place. This guy completly burned the Ravens and you actaully thought he wouldnt be a problem with whipping boy Mcnabb, you must have been drinking the same stuff Jerry Jones was

[SultanOfSix]

Still blaming one player, eh Lurie?

How about blaming management instead, because, well, if one player destroys a team, it's not much of the latter, now is it?

[DallasInDC]

i searched and didnt see this anywhere


Lurie: Signing Owens was a mistake

/ Associated Press
Posted: 2 hours ago
BETHLEHEM, Pa. (AP) - Now that Terrell Owens (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/70702) is gone from Philadelphia, Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058) owner Jeffrey Lurie says it was a mistake to sign the outspoken wide receiver.





"I would not do it again," Lurie said Wednesday in his annual state-of-the-team address. "You look back on it - one year great, the second year a disaster. Nobody should be able to be as disruptive and really cut the energy of the team down.
"I think we all learned from that." During his first year in Philadelphia, Owens helped the Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058) reach their first Super Bowl since the 1980 season. But he was a major disruption throughout last season. The Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058) endured a dismal, injury-plagued 6-10 season, and Owens' tenure in Philadelphia ended bitterly.
He signed on with the Dallas Cowboys (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67043), one of the Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058)' main rivals in the NFC East.
"If you don't have the chemistry, the talent and the help, with high-character people, you're not going to survive those downturns in the middle of the season," Lurie said.
However, Lurie won't let the Owens experiment make him more cautious.
"I'll always try to be aggressive and take risks and be willing to make mistakes," he said. "Yet at the same time when we're in the draft room or approaching free agency or picking up players or trading for players, character is probably No. 1. "If you don't get past the character test, the teamwork test, you're not going to be on the Philadelphia Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058)."


What you should have learned is that you screwed yourself by being a cheap arse owner and not paying a vocal self-centered high profile star player his market value, especially after he did what he did to get back in time for the superbowl. You really set yourself up for that one.

Fortunately, JJ is smart enough to figure that out and I don't expect the Cowboys to have any of the problems that Philly did.

[DallasInDC]

Still blaming one player, eh Lurie?

How about blaming management instead, because, well, if one player destroys a team, it's not much of the latter, now is it?


Excellent point! If one player brings down an organization, its a testament to how poor the management was at effectively dealing with it.

[Screw The Hall]

Is this actually news to anyone? Great scoop from the AP. :rolleyes:

[ChldsPlay]

Nobody should be able to be as disruptive and really cut the energy of the team down.


No, one player shouldn't. But your organization and team let it happen (so they say anyway). Sounds to me like it would be a mistake for any players to sign with the Eagles. Weak and fragile organization from the owner, to the coach and through the team.

[big dog cowboy]

"I would not do it again," Lurie said Wednesday in his annual state-of-the-team address.
Why is TO even mentioned in a state-of-the-team address when he isn't even a part of their team any more?

[Smashmouth24]

Lurie: Signing Owens was a mistake


No ****.

[Da Hammer]

exactly what i was thinking, it seems completely obvious that they would consider signing him a mistake unless they would have won that Superbowl a couple years ago but obviously didnt win it.

[Spirit Warrior]

Lurie needs to shut the hell up and realize his team would have never sniffed the Super Bowl if not for T.O.. For that he should give a huge thank you to Owens.

He'll find that out this year...and next..and the year after that too.
I don't see the e-girls even making the playoffs for awhile.:D

[Basileus777]

Lurie needs to shut the hell up and realize his team would have never sniffed the Super Bowl if not for T.O.. For that he should give a huge thank you to Owens.

He'll find that out this year...and next..and the year after that too.
I don't see the e-girls even making the playoffs for awhile.:D

Considering TO missed all the entire playoffs before the Superbowl, somehow I doubt that. Even without TO, the NFC and the NFC East were so weak that year, that the Eagles were going to the playoffs no matter what happened.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Mr. Lurie expresses more than an explanation to the TO saga, the regret and anguish felt by the Eagles organization; to include players and fans, he's addressing "closure" to an ugly chapter in Eagles history.

I can't expect many of you to understand that closure is needed to open new doors, and begin new episodes for the Eagles. This was necessary and a ry well timed therapeutic management tool to begin the healing process.

I hope the Dallas Cowboy fans do not experience this type of agony ...I wouldn't wish this on any fandom. But right now ...you wouldn't understand how crucial Mr. Lurie's words are to the team/fans.

That said, you'll never hear me speak another detrimental word toward TO from now on ...that chapter is hereby closed!

[Go Big D!]

"If you don't have the chemistry, the talent and the help, with high-character people, you're not going to survive those downturns in the middle of the season," Lurie said.
So, is he saying they didn't have high-character people with talent on their team?

[JackMagist]

Lurie needs to shut the hell up and realize his team would have never sniffed the Super Bowl if not for T.O.. For that he should give a huge thank you to Owens.

He'll find that out this year...and next..and the year after that too.
I don't see the e-girls even making the playoffs for awhile.:DOhh Pleeeease!! :rolleyes:

The Eagels had been one game shy of the Superbowl three years in a row before Owens arrived. He was out injured when they finally got past that one last game and he had nothing to do with finally getting over that last hurdle to get there.

Let's not engage in too much revisionist History here. Owens was a cancer on that team plain and simple and they damn sure don't owe him ANYTHING. I'm not crying over their demise by any means; the Eagles could never win another game and I would not care. But lets keep it real about Owens.

[CrazyCowboy]

Give him some cheese with that whine!

[burmafrd]

If the organization, team and coaching staff had been strong then TO could not have caused the damage he did. Simple as that. Lurie and company were cheap and stupid; no suprise there. They have been shafting players for years and it caught up to them. The TEACHERS PET McFlabb being the sole exception. Which made it worse.

[Hoov]

Give him some cheese with that whine!

LOL, nice one. Better yet, send him some of Terrell's popcorn

[lspain1]

Did they get Bunkley signed? Lurie needs to focus on that if they haven't.

[BulletBob]

If the organization, team and coaching staff had been strong then TO could not have caused the damage he did. Simple as that. Lurie and company were cheap and stupid; no suprise there. They have been shafting players for years and it caught up to them. The TEACHERS PET McFlabb being the sole exception. Which made it worse.

By your theory then (and that of many other posters in this thread), if TO winds up being a problem in Big D, it will be management's fault, right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightttttt.

Sorry guys, not buyin' it.

All fingers wil be pointed at TO.

When you have a problem employee, you do everything you can to deal with it - especially if it is a talented employee. However, if that employee is tying up the valuable time and resources of other members of the team and management every day dealing with s**t that has nothing to do with the business, eventually you have to cut them loose (you don't give them a raise).

That is exactly what the Pigeons did.

There comes a breaking point (law of diminishing returns) at which the energy your staff is expending dealing with a problem employee is simply not worth the effort - financially or emotionally. No matter how talented that employee is, or how much your company benefits financially from what that employee does, in the end you wind up losing profit, and endangering the rest of your staff.

Now, with all that said, as a Cowboy fan, I sincerely hope that TO has had a sincere reformation (though I am very skeptical). It will be an interesting year, to say the least.

[burmafrd]

The atmosphere that allowed TO to cause so much trouble had been set up by Lurie, reid and company.

[Hoov]

Did they get Bunkley signed? Lurie needs to focus on that if they haven't.

Thats part of the equation, the eagles always seem to have problems with paying players.

TO has plenty of issues, but you'd have to think the eagles management could be a little more business savy. Try to create more win-win situations rather than the we wont budge an inch on our end of negotiations.

[Yeagermeister]

Let's just hope Jerry isn't saying that in a year or two

[JackMagist]

By your theory then (and that of many other posters in this thread), if TO winds up being a problem in Big D, it will be management's fault, right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightttttt.

Sorry guys, not buyin' it.It would be managements fault...for giving him the contract in the first place. ;)

[WoodysGirl]

LURIE SAYS HE WOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED T.O.
In his annual state of the team address, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said on Wednesday that, if he had to do it over again, he would not have signed receiver Terrell Owens (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/15184216.htm).

What he might have said if he were being candid is that, if he had to do it over again, he would have instructed team president Joe Banner to approach T.O. after Super Bowl XXXIX regarding a restructuring of his contract in order to get more of the money in his hands sooner rather than later.

It was, after all, Owens' fear that the team would opt not to pick up $7.5 million in bonus payments due in 2006, if he were injured or ineffective during the 2005 season, that prompted him to seek more money. If the Eagles had been proactive (and they typically are with younger players whom they hope to lock up for the long haul), the problem could have been avoided.

Of course, this ignores the problems between Owens and quarterback Donovan McNabb, which apparently were festering before the Super Bowl. We have a feeling, however, that if T.O. had gotten paid, he might not have launched into his public turd campaign, which likely was aimed at getting the team to get rid of him.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Did they get Bunkley signed? Lurie needs to focus on that if they haven't.

Truer words were never spoken!

[SA_Gunslinger]

so character is their main goal, now?

so remind me again of all the arrests owens has had?

oh, right.....

[Cochese]

so character is their main goal, now?

so remind me again of all the arrests owens has had?

oh, right.....

There is more to character than staying out of jail.

[SA_Gunslinger]

Mr. Lurie expresses more than an explanation to the TO saga, the regret and anguish felt by the Eagles organization; to include players and fans, he's addressing "closure" to an ugly chapter in Eagles history.

I can't expect many of you to understand that closure is needed to open new doors, and begin new episodes for the Eagles. This was necessary and a ry well timed therapeutic management tool to begin the healing process.

I hope the Dallas Cowboy fans do not experience this type of agony ...I wouldn't wish this on any fandom. But right now ...you wouldn't understand how crucial Mr. Lurie's words are to the team/fans.

That said, you'll never hear me speak another detrimental word toward TO from now on ...that chapter is hereby closed!




closed? are you kidding? this should have been closed back in november of 2005. or march 2006 at the LATEST!

but they keep it going.

they actually showed the entire opening press conference in dallas here LIVE ON TV!!!!! are you kidding? who does that?

and it's still going.....check out the front page of TODAY'S Delco Times newspaper.

there is a small headline that says to the effect.... "Reid focuses on preseason, winning, and without T.O."

there it is right there!!! they just CAN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM!


i hope to god if and when things go bad w/ T.O. that dallas doesn't turn it into a never ending drama fest in the media like it is happening up here.

but lurie offering closure? i think not. they just can't stop.....

[stasheroo]

Not excusing Owen's poor behavior in last year's mess, but there's certainly a pattern of the Eagles not taking care of their players properly as well. They are not above their fair share of the blame.

Just ask guys like Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Jeremiah Trotter, Duce Staley, Hugh Douglas, Owens, Corey Simon, Derrick Burgess, or Brian Dawkins. All can vouch for the Eagles "frugality" when it comes to paying their players.

Fans have to ask themselves why their team is sitting on $18 million in cap space while not fielding a better and more competitive team.

I would if they were my favorite team......

:showme:

[Phoenix-Talon]

closed? are you kidding?

...they keep it going.
...they actually showed the entire opening press conference in dallas here
...LIVE ON TV!!!!! ...
...the front page of TODAY'S Delco Times newspaper.
there is a small headline that says to the effect.... "Reid focuses on
preseason, winning, and without T.O."
...they just CAN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM!
...they just can't stop.....

pc ... I don't believe you really thought this through very clearly. Dude ...you're talking about the "media" not the Eagles; and certainly no Lurie! That's why I'm saying this is closure ...at least for the Eagles organization!

You and the Dallas Cowboys are in the spot-light now. And it's a media frenzy waiting to happen.

[MossBurner]

Why is TO even mentioned in a state-of-the-team address when he isn't even a part of their team any more?

Cancer takes a long time to be fully eliminated from the system.

[SA_Gunslinger]

pc ... I don't believe you really thought this through very clearly. Dude ...you're talking about the "media" not the Eagles; and certainly no Lurie! That's why I'm saying this is closure ...at least for the Eagles organization!

You and the Dallas Cowboys are in the spot-light now. And it's a media frenzy waiting to happen.



but that's my point.

it's out of lurie's hands. as long as the media and the fans feed on it, it will never go away. closure will avoid them.

and frankly, playing them twice a year now....it won't end for a long long time. sucks to be an ea-girls fan.

[johnnybluestar]

Who knows what TO will do or say, especially when there are 1000 microphones in his face, everyday, just waiting for him to say anything slightly negative, so they can all say, see I told you. But that is not the point I am here to make.
Why might it work in Dallas when it didn't work in Philthy? Because Jerry Jones and Jeff Lurie could not be more different. Where Lurie is pushed, almost forced by mutiny, to pay his players who have performed, Jerry does it willingly and happily. As a result, the Cowboys players go about their business willingly and happily. For all those employed by someone other than themselves, you know what that kind of appreciation does to your work attitude.

[Phoenix-Talon]

but that's my point.

it's out of lurie's hands. as long as the media and the fans feed on it, it will never go away. closure will avoid them.

and frankly, playing them twice a year now....it won't end for a long long time. sucks to be an ea-girls fan.

Let's see ...if we both make the same Point, does that mean we agree?! All I'm saying is that Lurie's intent was closure for the team ...not the world at large. You'd be surprised how much can be filtered out of a lockerroom ...or leak out with the right person's mouth!;)

[Cochese]

Cancer takes a long time to be fully eliminated from the system.

The Eagles are still going through chemo.

[boysfanindc]

Someone please send this article to TO before the Eagles game.

[aikemirv]

Not excusing Owen's poor behavior in last year's mess, but there's certainly a pattern of the Eagles not taking care of their players properly as well. They are not above their fair share of the blame.

Just ask guys like Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Jeremiah Trotter, Duce Staley, Hugh Douglas, Owens, Corey Simon, Derrick Burgess, or Brian Dawkins. All can vouch for the Eagles "frugality" when it comes to paying their players.

Fans have to ask themselves why their team is sitting on $18 million in cap space while not fielding a better and more competitive team.

I would if they were my favorite team......

:showme:

Vincent, Taylor were on their last legs - that was a good decision.

Trotters knees were a big ?

Corey Simon was a fat slob

T.O. had a signing discount based on prior behavior and like Magist said you don't give raises to Employees who are causing trouble (and we don't even know what problems were already going on in 2004

[REDVOLUTION]

Still blaming one player, eh Lurie?

How about blaming management instead, because, well, if one player destroys a team, it's not much of the latter, now is it?

Yeah that great team chemistry allowed them to choke in 3 straight NFC title games and then McChoke finished the Choke-off in the SB.

[REDVOLUTION]

Let's see ...if we both make the same Point, does that mean we agree?! All I'm saying is that Lurie's intent was closure for the team ...not the world at large. You'd be surprised how much can be filtered out of a lockerroom ...or leak out with the right person's mouth!;)

Yeah its easy to say someone in your past was a mistake AFTER the fact. Big deal.

You know what they say.... "One man's trash is another man's treasure" - Face it. TO is in a real organization and they know how to take care of their own. NO BS.

Get used to losing again. Get used to TO trampling all over your Egirls.

Man would I love to see TO as a DB and intercept McNabb's pass and return it for a TD... LMAO
:lmao2:

[stasheroo]

Vincent, Taylor were on their last legs - that was a good decision.

Maybe. But Vincent is still playing and playing fairly well.

Trotters knees were a big ?

He seems to be managing OK on those bad knees.....

Corey Simon was a fat slob

Who Indianapolis is thrilled to have and the Eagles are still trying to replace.

T.O. had a signing discount based on prior behavior and like Magist said you don't give raises to Employees who are causing trouble (and we don't even know what problems were already going on in 2004

I didn't see much "trouble" before his comeback for the Super Bowl. That's when the Eagles should have approached him. But they don't do that.

Any comments about all of the rest on that list?

Not to mention the fight Westbrook went through to get his money.......

[hipfake08]

What you should have learned is that you screwed yourself by being a cheap arse owner and not paying a vocal self-centered high profile star player his market value, especially after he did what he did to get back in time for the superbowl. You really set yourself up for that one.

Fortunately, JJ is smart enough to figure that out and I don't expect the Cowboys to have any of the problems that Philly did.

BINGO... BINGO......

We have a winner here....

Eagle management is so scared to step in and do anything they let the fire burn out of control on the Owens issue last year.

They could have slipped an incentive clause into the contract - or bulked the current one there - to give TO some more $$$ and close the issue fast.
They had the CAP money to do it.

The only player on the Eagles paid what he is worth is .......

But McNabb is getting about 8 to 10 Mil a year.:laugh1: :laugh2: :lmao2:

You and the Dallas Cowboys are in the spot-light now. And it's a media frenzy waiting to happen.

Yes. We are. But the contract we gave Owens is well beyond what the Eagles did. Also there is a coach here that will talk to him and set him on the right path before the fire is started.

[Phoenix-Talon]

Yes. We are. But the contract we gave Owens is well beyond what the Eagles did. Also there is a coach here that will talk to him and set him on the right path before the fire is started.

I have no problem with your optimism. More contract money means more to lose.

[hipfake08]

I have no problem with your optimism. More contract money means more to lose.


Yes. We have a bigger gamble and hence a bigger gain to make.
Hopefully we got the contract issue right the first time.
But you are correct on that point.

[stasheroo]

Yes. We have a bigger gamble and hence a bigger gain to make.
Hopefully we got the contract issue right the first time.
But you are correct on that point.

It's a gamble to be sure, but it could payoff in the Eagles biggest nightmare.

Their hated rivals in Dallas, along with the hated Terrell Owens could win the championship that they never could.

I know plenty of Eagles fans and they're all jealous Cowboys haters, seeing Owens and the Cowboys win another championship would kill them.

Then we'd have to fix this "Smilie":

:lombardi:

While this one would remain the same.....

:trophy:

[REDVOLUTION]

Originally Posted by Phoenix-Talon
You and the Dallas Cowboys are in the spot-light now. And it's a media frenzy waiting to happen.

Yes. We are. But the contract we gave Owens is well beyond what the Eagles did. Also there is a coach here that will talk to him and set him on the right path before the fire is started.

WE ARE ALWAYS in the spotlight... you should thank TO for giving the Eagles the exposure they never had... never will again.

We on the other hand are in the news no matter what. More to gamble, more to lose. Thats the way it should be..... what are the option play for nothing???

[aikemirv]

Maybe. But Vincent is still playing and playing fairly well.



He seems to be managing OK on those bad knees.....



Who Indianapolis is thrilled to have and the Eagles are still trying to replace.



I didn't see much "trouble" before his comeback for the Super Bowl. That's when the Eagles should have approached him. But they don't do that.

Any comments about all of the rest on that list?

Not to mention the fight Westbrook went through to get his money.......

We always hear compalints when teams hold onto their aging stars too long. Philly did not do that with Taylor and Vincent.

They decided to not make a huge investment in Trotter and he ended up coming back to them a year later at a reduced amount. - Boy, that seems like a good move if you ask me.

Yeah, lets invest a ton of money in a fat slob lineman that continues to have trouble keeping his weight down - I still don't see how you fault them for that. He had to be 400 lbs when he showed up in Indy - how can you condone reupping a guy like that.

Westbrook got a 5 yr , 25 million contract - so he had to work for it - I beleive Emmitt had to work for a new contract one time with the Cowboys!

Every team lets go of players that the deem a bit less valuable as far as the rest of the list goes. I think the Cowboys did it with Norton, Stepnowski, Godfrey to name a few.

He signed a contract that people warned him not to sign and then when the Eagl;es, after 1 yr mind you, are not willing to redo, you are blaming them.

It is really quite funny the depths that many Cowboy fans will now go to to defend T.O.

[stasheroo]

We always hear compalints when teams hold onto their aging stars too long. Philly did not do that with Taylor and Vincent.

I'd say the did make the right decision there, but Vincent was a solid, loyal player who wanted to finish up in Philadelphia. He could have stayed and played well in Philly.

They decided to not make a huge investment in Trotter and he ended up coming back to them a year later at a reduced amount. - Boy, that seems like a good move if you ask me.

Ended up working to their advantage since the rest of the league wasn't smart enough to sign him. Doesn't change the fact that they low-balled yet another player.

Yeah, lets invest a ton of money in a fat slob lineman that continues to have trouble keeping his weight down - I still don't see how you fault them for that. He had to be 400 lbs when he showed up in Indy - how can you condone reupping a guy like that.

Maybe you should do some homework. He played well last season despite the weight and now has dropped a lot of it and showed up in much better shape. The Eagles have since invested two first-round picks in an effort to replace him.

Westbrook got a 5 yr , 25 million contract - so he had to work for it - I beleive Emmitt had to work for a new contract one time with the Cowboys!

And he had to fight and hold out to get it. Emmitt did as well, but his case was the exception in Dallas, not the rule like in Philadelphia.

How about their previous #1 running back Staley? How'd they treat him?

Every team lets go of players that the deem a bit less valuable as far as the rest of the list goes. I think the Cowboys did it with Norton, Stepnowski, Godfrey to name a few.

The Cowboys' issues were cap-related - as in no room. The Eagles have more than enough money - they just don't spend it. They have about $15-$18 million they're currently sitting on. Ask Brian Dawkins how he feels about that.

He signed a contract that people warned him not to sign and then when the Eagl;es, after 1 yr mind you, are not willing to redo, you are blaming them.

A deal sent to him by an Eagles team looking to take advantage of his situation. A deal so bad that the players' union advised him not to sign it. Real nice dealing on the Eagles' part, huh?

It is really quite funny the depths that many Cowboy fans will now go to to defend T.O.


Not as funny as those who don't know what they're talking about.

My original post stated that Owens was at fault - plenty.

But it doesn't change the fact that the Eagles are a cheap organization more concerned with making a buck than winning.

:trophy:

[aikemirv]

I'd say the did make the right decision there, but Vincent was a solid, loyal player who wanted to finish up in Philadelphia. He could have stayed and played well in Philly.



Ended up working to their advantage since the rest of the league wasn't smart enough to sign him. Doesn't change the fact that they low-balled yet another player.



Maybe you should do some homework. He played well last season despite the weight and now has dropped a lot of it and showed up in much better shape. The Eagles have since invested two first-round picks in an effort to replace him.



And he had to fight and hold out to get it. Emmitt did as well, but his case was the exception in Dallas, not the rule like in Philadelphia.

How about their previous #1 running back Staley? How'd they treat him?



The Cowboys' issues were cap-related - as in no room. The Eagles have more than enough money - they just don't spend it. They have about $15-$18 million they're currently sitting on. Ask Brian Dawkins how he feels about that.



A deal sent to him by an Eagles team looking to take advantage of his situation. A deal so bad that the players' union advised him not to sign it. Real nice dealing on the Eagles' part, huh?




Not as funny as those who don't know what they're talking about.

My original post stated that Owens was at fault - plenty.

But it doesn't change the fact that the Eagles are a cheap organization more concerned with making a buck than winning.

:trophy:


Sorry, good business decisions in Trotter and Simon, you just can't throw money at players with injury concerns and big time weight issues and just hope it works out.

Duce Staley is another one with injury concerns and has barely sniffed the field in Pittsburgh because of injury, Bettis and Parker. Looks like another good business move to me.

Oh, and lets just offer players more money than they are willing to sign for - another winner!!

I don't know what Luries net worth is, it may be more or less than Jones, and their team income is less than the Cowboys too, so all of that you have to take into account before you say someone is cheap just because they don't use their full salary cap!

[Smashmouth24]

I'd say the did make the right decision there, but Vincent was a solid, loyal player who wanted to finish up in Philadelphia. He could have stayed and played well in Philly.

How? He plays free safety now.


Maybe you should do some homework. He played well last season despite the weight and now has dropped a lot of it and showed up in much better shape. The Eagles have since invested two first-round picks in an effort to replace him.


He did not "play well" last season. He played fewer snaps than the other 2 DTs in their rotation. He played 1st and 2nd downs for the 23rd best run defense in the NFL. He came off the field for the 4th best pass defense in the NFL. He is a penetrating defensive tackle that had zero sacks and only two tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage.


And he had to fight and hold out to get it. Emmitt did as well, but his case was the exception in Dallas, not the rule like in Philadelphia.


He didn't get it by holding out.


How about their previous #1 running back Staley? How'd they treat him?


He was not their #1 running back in his final season with the team. They really didn't have one. He hasn't been anyone's #1 running back since.


The Cowboys' issues were cap-related - as in no room. The Eagles have more than enough money - they just don't spend it. They have about $15-$18 million they're currently sitting on. Ask Brian Dawkins how he feels about that.


The Eagles have been spending plenty on their team in the past few years. It was the 1999, 2000, 2001 seasons where they spent virtually nothing. They don't forfeit the cap room, and have carried the excess over into each season resulting in what they have now.


A deal sent to him by an Eagles team looking to take advantage of his situation. A deal so bad that the players' union advised him not to sign it. Real nice dealing on the Eagles' part, huh?


The NFLPA probably advised against him signing the deal not because of the money but rather because of the language. It gave the team leverage should he conduct himself in a fashion deemed detrimental to the team.



Not as funny as those who don't know what they're talking about.


You haven't exactly demonstrated a very good understanding yourself.


But it doesn't change the fact that the Eagles are a cheap organization more concerned with making a buck than winning.


Every owner is more concerned with making a buck than winning. Every last one.

[SA_Gunslinger]

Let's see ...if we both make the same Point, does that mean we agree?! All I'm saying is that Lurie's intent was closure for the team ...not the world at large. You'd be surprised how much can be filtered out of a lockerroom ...or leak out with the right person's mouth!;)



funny you say that.

you know what....i knew about that T.O. locker room fight hours after it happened, about 3 full days before the national media got a hold of it. you know how? one of the popular DB's for the ea-girls (i'll protect the guilty) called one of his buddies (who i work with) to tell him all about it.

looks like you still have some big mouths in your locker room.

[stasheroo]

Sorry, good business decisions in Trotter and Simon, you just can't throw money at players with injury concerns and big time weight issues and just hope it works out.

Again, do some research on Simon. He's been nothing but good for Indy and the Eagles are still trying to replace him. They were lucky they got Trotter back. The leagues fell asleep letting him go back to Philly so cheap.

Duce Staley is another one with injury concerns and has barely sniffed the field in Pittsburgh because of injury, Bettis and Parker. Looks like another good business move to me.

Great for the Eagles, Staley gave all that he had, the Eagles used him up, and let him go. (not so good for Duce)

Oh, and lets just offer players more money than they are willing to sign for - another winner!!

When was this ever brought up?

I don't know what Luries net worth is, it may be more or less than Jones, and their team income is less than the Cowboys too, so all of that you have to take into account before you say someone is cheap just because they don't use their full salary cap!

Two words - revenue sharing.

The NFL has the best reveue-sharing of any professional sports league. And that's why they're the best.

The Eagles have plenty of money coming in. Forget that new stadium and all those luxury boxes too? The Eagles don't have money issues in either cap space or liquid cash.

Nice try though....

:showme: + :trophy: = :suxiggle:

[stasheroo]

How? He plays free safety now.

He could have played safety in Philadelphia as well. I think he and Dawkins would have made a great tandem.

He did not "play well" last season. He played fewer snaps than the other 2 DTs in their rotation. He played 1st and 2nd downs for the 23rd best run defense in the NFL. He came off the field for the 4th best pass defense in the NFL. He is a penetrating defensive tackle that had zero sacks and only two tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage.

And yet the Colts were thrilled to have him and kept him when his contract gave them the option not to? Read the recent reports on him, the Colts are thrilled with what they have. The Eagles are still trying to replace him.


He didn't get it by holding out.

How did he get it then?

He was not their #1 running back in his final season with the team. They really didn't have one. He hasn't been anyone's #1 running back since.

No he wasn't. They used him up and discarded him.


The Eagles have been spending plenty on their team in the past few years. It was the 1999, 2000, 2001 seasons where they spent virtually nothing. They don't forfeit the cap room, and have carried the excess over into each season resulting in what they have now.

You can count their "big signings" on one hand and have several fingers left over. They've had about three:

John Runyan
Jevon Kearse
Terrell Owens


The NFLPA probably advised against him signing the deal not because of the money but rather because of the language. It gave the team leverage should he conduct himself in a fashion deemed detrimental to the team.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. Regardless, the Eagles pulled a fast one that the players' union picked up on. Real nice "business" there. And they wonder how a player can get upset?


You haven't exactly demonstrated a very good understanding yourself.

I'd still say better than some. Everybody still glosses over Dawkins' current situation or the Eagles letting Burgess go rather than pay him (how'd he do?) There's a definite pattern of "frugality" with the Eagles and it continues today. How's that first rounder look in camp?

Every owner is more concerned with making a buck than winning. Every last one.

If you say so. I guess some are just more concerned with it, right?

[Ben_n_austin]

Does anyone want to take bets on how many games T.O. sits out this year?

[SA_Gunslinger]

Does anyone want to take bets on how many games T.O. sits out this year?



troll alert!

[aikemirv]

I don't care how well Trotter and Simon are or are not doing the FACT of the matter is you cannot give the farm to a guy who is 80lbs overweight or a guy who has bad knees and may not play after 1 year - you just don't know.

You cannot say they are CHEAP because of these 2 arguments period.

That is not being cheap, that is making good business decisions.

And your argument that they used up Staley - that just even makes them seem smarter because, what are they supposed to do, use him up and then give him a great contract? A lot of teams are paying for past service - it is not good business, just ask Jerry about Larry Allens last contract!

[hipfake08]

I don't know what Luries net worth is, it may be more or less than Jones, and their team income is less than the Cowboys too, so all of that you have to take into account before you say someone is cheap just because they don't use their full salary cap!

They all get the same income from the even split from the NFL.

The 61 to 62% of the GDR is what they have to spend.

So this does not hold a bit of water. Cheep..... Cheep.... Cheep....

[aikemirv]

They all get the same income from the even split from the NFL.

The 61 to 62% of the GDR is what they have to spend.

So this does not hold a bit of water. Cheep..... Cheep.... Cheep....

If I have 2 billion and you have 1 billion I might be more willing to spend more money on players than you would - wouldn't you say?

I said you have to look at all those issues before you just say he is cheap - I have not - if you know each mans net worth go ahead and post it and enlighten me OK.

[hipfake08]

That is not being cheap, that is making good business decisions.

This is what they have for those good business decisions when they have had a lot of talent on their team.:trophy:

And the loyal fans should be saying the the Management :suxiggle:

[aikemirv]

This is what they have for those good business decisions when they have had a lot of talent on their team.:trophy:

And the loyal fans should be saying the the Management :suxiggle:

They sure have made it to more NFC championships than we have in the last 6 years haven't they - and that is the time period we ARE talking about.

[stasheroo]

I don't care how well Trotter and Simon are or are not doing the FACT of the matter is you cannot give the farm to a guy who is 80lbs overweight or a guy who has bad knees and may not play after 1 year - you just don't know.

You cannot say they are CHEAP because of these 2 arguments period.

Didn't stop Washington aand Indy from paying them, did it?

That is not being cheap, that is making good business decisions.

It's cheap when you have more than enough cap room to pay them - that's cheap.

And your argument that they used up Staley - that just even makes them seem smarter because, what are they supposed to do, use him up and then give him a great contract? A lot of teams are paying for past service - it is not good business, just ask Jerry about Larry Allens last contract!

Let's ask Emmitt Smith instead.

And again, what about decisions regarding guys like Dawkins or Burgess as well?

Dawkins is one of their best "team" guys and he's still twisting in the wind regarding his future.

They're a cheap, cuthroat organization and their players know it. That in itself breeds a hostile working envirnoment. That's not going away with Owens. He simply demonstrated it clearly for the rest of the world.

[GTaylor]

Two words - revenue sharing.

The NFL has the best reveue-sharing of any professional sports league. And that's why they're the best.

:showme: + :trophy: = :suxiggle:

May want to add the best commish in sports. Baseball hasn't had a real commish since Fay Vincent and sadly the game I love has suffered because of it, NBA has a good commish in Stern but the NBA marketing seems to be geared more towards individuals, Tagliabue and Rozelle have succeeded by marketing the game.

[aikemirv]

Didn't stop Washington aand Indy from paying them, did it?



It's cheap when you have more than enough cap room to pay them - that's cheap.



Let's ask Emmitt Smith instead.

And again, what about decisions regarding guys like Dawkins or Burgess as well?

Dawkins is one of their best "team" guys and he's still twisting in the wind regarding his future.

They're a cheap, cuthroat organization and their players know it. That in itself breeds a hostile working envirnoment. That's not going away with Owens. He simply demonstrated it clearly for the rest of the world.

That must be why Trotter went back to them and why Hugh Douglas is now working for the organization - they just hate Eagles management so much.

And are you now saying that Washington makes good FA decisions.

[hipfake08]

If I have 2 billion and you have 1 billion I might be more willing to spend more money on players than you would - wouldn't you say?

I said you have to look at all those issues before you just say he is cheap - I have not - if you know each mans net worth go ahead and post it and enlighten me OK.

I'm not saying anything about what Lurie is worth.
I'm saying the Eagles should pony up the CAP $$$ and get what players are needed to finish the task and win their first SB.
Every year they play the CAP forward game with the remaining CAP dollars.
That is good business - can't disagree there.

My point is - in the Owens case - the Eagles had the CAP $$$$.
They saw the problem coming.
They knew of the contract they gave - in good faith but under duress of time to sign is now - could have stood up and said: The Eagle organization has reviewed the contract we signed with Mr. Owens last year.
We have found that there are some shortfalls in it.
We have inserted some incentive clauses into the contract to bring it up to a top players contract status.

This would have shut everyone up.

This would have not left the door open to other Eagle players to gripe for more $$$$.

[stasheroo]

That must be why Trotter went back to them and why Hugh Douglas is now working for the organization - they just hate Eagles management so much.

Yeah, and they got both back - on the cheap.

That's the bottom line.

And that's what the Eagles are all about.

[hipfake08]

They sure have made it to more NFC championships than we have in the last 6 years haven't they - and that is the time period we ARE talking about.

And so did the Cowboys of the Danny White era.

But he is not in the HOF or Ring of honor.

In this era of CAP and win now - you have to get it done now.

[Smashmouth24]

He could have played safety in Philadelphia as well. I think he and Dawkins would have made a great tandem.


Free Safety. Dawkins is a free safety. Troy Vincent could not play strong safety for the eagles.


And yet the Colts were thrilled to have him and kept him when his contract gave them the option not to? Read the recent reports on him, the Colts are thrilled with what they have. The Eagles are still trying to replace him.


It doesn't really matter what the Eagles are trying to do with respect to what Simon did last year. He wasn't good. The Colts did not have an option to not keep Simon on their roster without a cap hit to their poorly managed salary structure. They gave a former pro-bowl defensive tackle a lot of money to play fewer snaps than all of his linemates, I imagine they'll say anything to make themselves feel better. I'm glad he's lost weight, but the last thing anyone can reliably say about Corey Simon is that he isn't playing very well.


How did he get it then?


I don't know exactly how he got it when he eventually did, but he was not offered a contract during his brief holdout.


No he wasn't. They used him up and discarded him.


I don't know what else you'd like them to do with a player you're saying is used up.


You can count their "big signings" on one hand and have several fingers left over. They've had about three:

John Runyan
Jevon Kearse
Terrell Owens


Donovan McNabb, Brian Dawkins, Tra Thomas. Countless other players. Fortunately they don't fall into the casual fan's mindset of a big 'name' on another team always being more valuable than players with experience in their system (Dan Snyder?).


Yeah, I'm sure that's it. Regardless, the Eagles pulled a fast one that the players' union picked up on. Real nice "business" there. And they wonder how a player can get upset?


I don't know if it's "pulling a fast one", everyone involved gets to read it. They didn't 'sneak' language into the deal. He was advised against signing it by the players union. Don't make it sound like they came running into his agent's office like that mexican lady in Goonies yelling "NO SIGN! NO SIGN!" in Spanish. It gave the Eagles a little too much leverage and if T.O. hadn't signed it the Eagles probably never would have offered him anything better.



I'd still say better than some. Everybody still glosses over Dawkins' current situation or the Eagles letting Burgess go rather than pay him (how'd he do?) There's a definite pattern of "frugality" with the Eagles and it continues today. How's that first rounder look in camp?


They made a mistake going with ND Kalu over Burgess. They make plenty of mistakes. It's a little different from some of their other decisions because Burgess was an OK player that left and became a good player, usually it's a good player that leaves and becomes an OK player. ND Kalu is an OK player that stayed and became a very bad player :-)

I don't know what the problem is with Bunkley, they haven't had trouble with the slotting system before. Infact I think they prefer that system to negotiating deals out of thin air. They can justify to themselves risking the money to sign the young players because they simply have no other choice.



If you say so. I guess some are just more concerned with it, right?

I suppose so. But just the same, some owners are good at pretending they're trying to put the best team possible on the field. Fans in general are stupid. If you change enough things every year they will keep buying jerseys and season ticket packages. Same goes for national media coverage, make their job easy by picking up 'names' and you'll get favorable analyses -- they won't notice you just cut your best offensive lineman.

[REDVOLUTION]

I'm not saying anything about what Lurie is worth.
I'm saying the Eagles should pony up the CAP $$$ and get what players are needed to finish the task and win their first SB.
Every year they play the CAP forward game with the remaining CAP dollars.
That is good business - can't disagree there.

My point is - in the Owens case - the Eagles had the CAP $$$$.
They saw the problem coming.
They knew of the contract they gave - in good faith but under duress of time to sign is now - could have stood up and said: The Eagle organization has reviewed the contract we signed with Mr. Owens last year.
We have found that there are some shortfalls in it.
We have inserted some incentive clauses into the contract to bring it up to a top players contract status.

This would have shut everyone up.

This would have not left the door open to other Eagle players to gripe for more $$$$.

Good post.

I think when you sign a contract you should honor it.... BUT if you get a big contract and its NOT guaranteed(NFL contract arent guaranteed we know). Its definitely one-sided.
Thats part of what TO didnt like... I dont blame him....

[DallasEast]

Considering TO missed all the entire playoffs before the Superbowl, somehow I doubt that. Even without TO, the NFC and the NFC East were so weak that year, that the Eagles were going to the playoffs no matter what happened.

:hammer:

Ohh Pleeeease!! :rolleyes:

The Eagels had been one game shy of the Superbowl three years in a row before Owens arrived. He was out injured when they finally got past that one last game and he had nothing to do with finally getting over that last hurdle to get there.

Let's not engage in too much revisionist History here. Owens was a cancer on that team plain and simple and they damn sure don't owe him ANYTHING. I'm not crying over their demise by any means; the Eagles could never win another game and I would not care. But lets keep it real about Owens.

:hammer:

By your theory then (and that of many other posters in this thread), if TO winds up being a problem in Big D, it will be management's fault, right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightttttt.

Sorry guys, not buyin' it.

All fingers wil be pointed at TO.

When you have a problem employee, you do everything you can to deal with it - especially if it is a talented employee. However, if that employee is tying up the valuable time and resources of other members of the team and management every day dealing with s**t that has nothing to do with the business, eventually you have to cut them loose (you don't give them a raise).

That is exactly what the Pigeons did.

There comes a breaking point (law of diminishing returns) at which the energy your staff is expending dealing with a problem employee is simply not worth the effort - financially or emotionally. No matter how talented that employee is, or how much your company benefits financially from what that employee does, in the end you wind up losing profit, and endangering the rest of your staff.

Now, with all that said, as a Cowboy fan, I sincerely hope that TO has had a sincere reformation (though I am very skeptical). It will be an interesting year, to say the least.

:hammer:

There is more to character than staying out of jail.

:hammer:

[Big D]

Mr. Lurie expresses more than an explanation to the TO saga, the regret and anguish felt by the Eagles organization; to include players and fans, he's addressing "closure" to an ugly chapter in Eagles history.

I can't expect many of you to understand that closure is needed to open new doors, and begin new episodes for the Eagles. This was necessary and a ry well timed therapeutic management tool to begin the healing process.

I hope the Dallas Cowboy fans do not experience this type of agony ...I wouldn't wish this on any fandom. But right now ...you wouldn't understand how crucial Mr. Lurie's words are to the team/fans.

That said, you'll never hear me speak another detrimental word toward TO from now on ...that chapter is hereby closed!


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Whateva!!



:lmao2:

[aikemirv]

Good post.

I think when you sign a contract you should honor it.... BUT if you get a big contract and its NOT guaranteed(NFL contract arent guaranteed we know). Its definitely one-sided.
Thats part of what TO didnt like... I dont blame him....

He earned the behavior clause and earned his contract language by his behavior.

He proved with his behavior last year that they were right and they should not have guaranteed him anything!

All Jerry did was guarantee him 1 year - how is he so much better off?

[Ben_n_austin]

troll alert!

I'm not trolling at all. I want T.O. here if we can handle him. He increases our odds of winning. I'm saying that I think and I hope that our coaching staff will handle him in a different way than he's been handled in the past.

In other words, as long as he's here, he should be treated just like any other player. Antonio Bryant comes to mind ..

I just want our coaches to stop it before it happens; and if that means Terrell has to sit out a game, or games, for misbehaving .. well then, Terrell will have to sit out, regardless.

IMO, that's how we should handle him. If he acts like a baby, then treat him like a baby.

Now, next time, before you go off getting overly sensitive, try to hold off with the troll comments. It really doesn't make you look very smart when you spastically start shouting out troll before you even attempt to engage in an intelligent discussion.

Maybe it's me, but my guess is that you're not a very objective person; and you probably tend to write off ideas that don't suit your own.

I don't know, perhaps you'd like to ignore the possibility that T.O's behavior might become an issue; I won't. I'm sure the coaches haven't either.

[stasheroo]

Free Safety. Dawkins is a free safety. Troy Vincent could not play strong safety for the eagles.

I think Dawkins could sure play strong safety.

It doesn't really matter what the Eagles are trying to do with respect to what Simon did last year. He wasn't good. The Colts did not have an option to not keep Simon on their roster without a cap hit to their poorly managed salary structure.

More like a team who does spend a lot of their money found a way to pay yet another player to help them win. The contract was structured to let the Colts off the hook if they weren't happy - apparently they are.

They gave a former pro-bowl defensive tackle a lot of money to play fewer snaps than all of his linemates, I imagine they'll say anything to make themselves feel better. I'm glad he's lost weight, but the last thing anyone can reliably say about Corey Simon is that he isn't playing very well.

Again, the Colts are happy and they're the ones doing the paying. The Cheap-Birds are still looking.


I don't know exactly how he got it when he eventually did, but he was not offered a contract during his brief holdout.

If you don't know, maybe you shouldn't bring it up.


I don't know what else you'd like them to do with a player you're saying is used up.

He's used up now, he was a solid back when he was an Eagle.

Donovan McNabb, Brian Dawkins, Tra Thomas. Countless other players. Fortunately they don't fall into the casual fan's mindset of a big 'name' on another team always being more valuable than players with experience in their system (Dan Snyder?).

Don't talk to me about a "casual fan", I know more about the Eagles than most of their own fans do.

Where's Dawkins' money? Andrews got his. The unproven center got his. How about 'Dawk?

Dawkins and Thomas will soon be discarded like the rest. Count on it. Along with Hank Fraley as well.

I don't know if it's "pulling a fast one", everyone involved gets to read it. They didn't 'sneak' language into the deal. He was advised against signing it by the players union. Don't make it sound like they came running into his agent's office like that mexican lady in Goonies yelling "NO SIGN! NO SIGN!" in Spanish. It gave the Eagles a little too much leverage and if T.O. hadn't signed it the Eagles probably never would have offered him anything better.

So you offer a bad contract and are suprised with bad results? OK..............


They made a mistake going with ND Kalu over Burgess. [/quote

Ya think?

[quote=Smashmouth24]They make plenty of mistakes. It's a little different from some of their other decisions because Burgess was an OK player that left and became a good player, usually it's a good player that leaves and becomes an OK player. ND Kalu is an OK player that stayed and became a very bad player :-)

Kalu was and always will be an average player. The Eagles just think they're smarter than everyone else. Guess not. They swung and missed on Kearse big-time too.

I suppose so. But just the same, some owners are good at pretending they're trying to put the best team possible on the field. Fans in general are stupid. If you change enough things every year they will keep buying jerseys and season ticket packages. Same goes for national media coverage, make their job easy by picking up 'names' and you'll get favorable analyses -- they won't notice you just cut your best offensive lineman.

Maybe some fans are. Some see more of the "big picture" than some teams would like.

We'll see where all of the "goodwill" in Philly goes after they finish last in the division again.

:trophy:

[Smashmouth24]

[quote]
I think Dawkins could sure play strong safety.


Dawkins could play slot CB too but it wouldn't be any less stupid an idea.


More like a team who does spend a lot of their money found a way to pay yet another player to help them win. The contract was structured to let the Colts off the hook if they weren't happy - apparently they are.


They spend a lot of money on very, very few players. They didn't spend the free cap room they had on Edgerrin James. They got absolutely nothing out of Corey Simon last year. He came off the field on passing downs. Anyone who has followed the slightest bit of Corey Simon's career would be falling out of their chair at such news. Yet you keep telling me how great he's playing because, well, they said so.


Again, the Colts are happy and they're the ones doing the paying. The Cheap-Birds are still looking.


Their run defense, what they _say_ Corey Simon is there to help, was worse in 2005 than it was in 2004. On top of that, they were knocked out of the playoffs at home in the 1st round. If they're truly happy, they're delusional. The Eagles were looking long before they ever released the exclusive negotiating rights to Corey Simon.


If you don't know, maybe you shouldn't bring it up.


Small reading comprehension problem on your part. You brought up that Westbrook held out to get a new deal. I informed you, now twice, that he didn't get even get an offer from the Eagles during his holdout. You have now told me that I shouldn't have brought it up.


He's used up now, he was a solid back when he was an Eagle.


Right, he was used up when he was no longer an Eagle in a 3-back system.


Don't talk to me about a "casual fan", I know more about the Eagles than most of their own fans do.


I'm not getting that impression, sorry. That doesn't make you a casual fan, however.


Dawkins and Thomas will soon be discarded like the rest. Count on it. Along with Hank Fraley as well.

I would hope Dawkins isn't discarded. Thomas is a player that should be replaced, soon. They are fairly cautious with players who don't have many meaningful years left -- with a pretty good track record to back it up. I don't think they'll get very serious with Dawkins until he finishes the season, like the last time his contract expired.


So you offer a bad contract and are suprised with bad results? OK..............


Irony: Based on the contract I don't think they could have been too surprised with the results.


Kalu was and always will be an average player. The Eagles just think they're smarter than everyone else. Guess not. They swung and missed on Kearse big-time too.


So was Burgess, that is until he became a Raider. They haven't missed on Kearse, but they certainly hit a ground ball to short with that contract. At least he was an upgrade over the player he replaced.


Maybe some fans are. Some see more of the "big picture" than some teams would like.

We'll see where all of the "goodwill" in Philly goes after they finish last in the division again.


I wasn't implying there is very much goodwill in Philadelphia, if that is what you mean. There isn't. The team does not care very much what the fans think about running a football team and is quite open about it.

[REDVOLUTION]

Originally Posted by Phoenix-Talon
Mr. Lurie expresses more than an explanation to the TO saga, the regret and anguish felt by the Eagles organization; to include players and fans, he's addressing "closure" to an ugly chapter in Eagles history.

I can't expect many of you to understand that closure is needed to open new doors, and begin new episodes for the Eagles. This was necessary and a ry well timed therapeutic management tool to begin the healing process.

I hope the Dallas Cowboy fans do not experience this type of agony ...I wouldn't wish this on any fandom. But right now ...you wouldn't understand how crucial Mr. Lurie's words are to the team/fans.

That said, you'll never hear me speak another detrimental word toward TO from now on ...that chapter is hereby closed!



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One of the ALL TIME GREATEST responses.... EVER!!!
:hammer: :worthy:

[REDVOLUTION]

He earned the behavior clause and earned his contract language by his behavior.

I am not saying he handled it right or that his behavior was appropriate... I could see his side of it though....


He proved with his behavior last year that they were right and they should not have guaranteed him anything!


I dont know if I agree with that... Lets see what happens....

[Phoenix-Talon]

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Whateva!!

:cool: :)

[J-DOG]

i searched and didnt see this anywhere


Lurie: Signing Owens was a mistake

/ Associated Press
Posted: 2 hours ago

BETHLEHEM, Pa. (AP) - Now that Terrell Owens (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/70702) is gone from Philadelphia, Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058) owner Jeffrey Lurie says it was a mistake to sign the outspoken wide receiver.





"I would not do it again," Lurie said Wednesday in his annual state-of-the-team address. "You look back on it - one year great, the second year a disaster. Nobody should be able to be as disruptive and really cut the energy of the team down.

"I think we all learned from that."

During his first year in Philadelphia, Owens helped the Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058) reach their first Super Bowl since the 1980 season. But he was a major disruption throughout last season. The Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058) endured a dismal, injury-plagued 6-10 season, and Owens' tenure in Philadelphia ended bitterly.

He signed on with the Dallas Cowboys (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67043), one of the Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058)' main rivals in the NFC East.

"If you don't have the chemistry, the talent and the help, with high-character people, you're not going to survive those downturns in the middle of the season," Lurie said.

However, Lurie won't let the Owens experiment make him more cautious.

"I'll always try to be aggressive and take risks and be willing to make mistakes," he said. "Yet at the same time when we're in the draft room or approaching free agency or picking up players or trading for players, character is probably No. 1. "If you don't get past the character test, the teamwork test, you're not going to be on the Philadelphia Eagles (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67058)."
Did the Eagles ever sign Bunkley?
TO landed in the Eagles laps.
TO was recruited by....McNabb.
Yes while McNabb is trying to be funny on PTI and blow off that TO even was on the team, he is the biggest reason TO was there to begin with.
Eagles have always been cheap.
They draft well and have been able to stay competitive due to that but the only big time FA that they have truly gone after is Jevon Kearse.
Kearse has not lived up to his big time contract either.
Lurie is a joke in my opinion.

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I'm not trolling at all. I want T.O. here if we can handle him. He increases our odds of winning. I'm saying that I think and I hope that our coaching staff will handle him in a different way than he's been handled in the past.

In other words, as long as he's here, he should be treated just like any other player. Antonio Bryant comes to mind ..

I just want our coaches to stop it before it happens; and if that means Terrell has to sit out a game, or games, for misbehaving .. well then, Terrell will have to sit out, regardless.

IMO, that's how we should handle him. If he acts like a baby, then treat him like a baby.

Now, next time, before you go off getting overly sensitive, try to hold off with the troll comments. It really doesn't make you look very smart when you spastically start shouting out troll before you even attempt to engage in an intelligent discussion.

Maybe it's me, but my guess is that you're not a very objective person; and you probably tend to write off ideas that don't suit your own.

I don't know, perhaps you'd like to ignore the possibility that T.O's behavior might become an issue; I won't. I'm sure the coaches haven't either.



you're talking about sitting t.o. out for "misbehaving" and "treating him like a baby" and you're telling me i don't look very smart.

riiiiight.