View Full Version : Jimmy Johnson...
dillinger319
08-10-2006, 08:58 PM
I dont want to beat a dead bush to death but watching him on the half time show just rushed thoughts through my mind....To me he seemed to get very excited about us playing JAX in the first game. Which leads me to the question everyone has wondered... Would he ever come back to coach the Cowboys.. If Parcells and Owens clash, I truly believe that the only one that could coach TO is Jimmy. So could he and Jones make up and let him win two or three more Super Bowls and keep us on top?? I hate to bring all this up with the season a month away, but if this team doesnt perform like it should I think that Parcells retires...SO let me have it..Tell me how you really feel....lol...:starspin
5Stars
08-10-2006, 09:04 PM
I dont want to beat a dead bush to death but watching him on the half time show just rushed thoughts through my mind....To me he seemed to get very excited about us playing JAX in the first game. Which leads me to the question everyone has wondered... Would he ever come back to coach the Cowboys.. If Parcells and Owens clash, I truly believe that the only one that could coach TO is Jimmy. So could he and Jones make up and let him win two or three more Super Bowls and keep us on top?? I hate to bring all this up with the season a month away, but if this team doesnt perform like it should I think that Parcells retires...SO let me have it..Tell me how you really feel....lol...:starspin
Uhhh...no.
:star:
The30YardSlant
08-10-2006, 09:12 PM
No, nor do I think we should want him back. Yes, we were very successful with him, but no coach in NFL history has had more fall into his lap quicker than Jimmah. He made his career off of the Herschal Walker trade.
In many ways, Dallas has the Vikings front office to thank for their success just as much as Jimmy Johnson
jimmy40
08-10-2006, 09:18 PM
No, nor do I think we should want him back. Yes, we were very successful with him, but no coach in NFL history has had more fall into his lap quicker than Jimmah. He made his career off of the Herschal Walker trade.
In many ways, Dallas has the Vikings front office to thank for their success just as much as Jimmy JohnsonNo, Barry Switzer had more fall into his lap quicker than any NFL coach in history. Jimmy had to get what he needed.
The30YardSlant
08-10-2006, 09:26 PM
No, Barry Switzer had more fall into his lap quicker than any NFL coach in history. Jimmy had to get what he needed.
Good point, but when Jimmah walked into Valley Ranch, he was like a kid on Christmas morning. He had every imaginable thing a coach could want. The number one pick in the draft, a future filled with multiple first, second and third round picks, an owner whom expense didnt matter to, and the knowledge of all the best college players that few new NFL coaches have with which to use in drafting.
He had to make the most of the opportunity, which he did, but he certainly didnt have to dig, scrape and crawl for the good players he got.
Bungarian
08-10-2006, 09:27 PM
no no and no
Bob Dole
08-10-2006, 09:33 PM
It's possible. You think if Jerry calls, that Jimmy won't listen?
Bob Dole doesn't rule anything out anymore - four years ago how many of you would have ever in your wildest dreams said, "four years from now, our head coach will be Bill Parcells."
Bullet22
08-10-2006, 09:48 PM
and no cap...
scottsp
08-10-2006, 09:51 PM
Jimmy loves South Florida. It would take a ton to get him off that boat for an extended period of time. The studio gig is perfect for him. An NFL coaching job, on the other hand, is not. The demands of such a position are prolly more than what Johnson is willing to undertake at this point of his life.
And quite frankly, some things can't be undone.
I will say one thing for the guy: During his time here (7-1 playoffs) and at UMiami, Jimmy was one of the best big game coaches I can remember. Spare me Dolphin playoff references. I know. I know.
Jammer
08-10-2006, 10:44 PM
I can't believe after all these years we're still talking about the "what if" of Johnson coming back.
In some ways, it wouldn't surprise me if he were willing to come back. He and Jerry have fixed their relationship, and I think Jimmy loves the spotlight enough that if Jerry were to dump a boatload of cash onto him, he would gladly accept.
With that said, I wouldn't hire him. It'd be a great publicity move and it'd be fun to see Jimmy coaching on the sideline again (just like it'd be "fun" to see Troy line up behind center one last time). But he wouldn't be here for the long haul; he's removed from the game; his success in Miami was highly limited; and if he were to return, I'd question his motives.
Not to give this thread too much thought, but that is how I feel.
I can't believe after all these years we're still talking about the "what if" of Johnson coming back.
It's only natural, given how the Jerry-Jimmy relationship ended.
When you quit/are fired after winning two straight Super Bowls, the natural human inclination for a lot of folks is to ask "What if they were to get back together...?"
It'd be a ton of fun...but probably not all that successful.
2much2soon
08-10-2006, 11:04 PM
I will say one thing for the guy: During his time here (7-1 playoffs) and at UMiami, Jimmy was one of the best big game coaches I can remember. Spare me Dolphin playoff references. I know. I know.
I recall being a suffering Dallas fan in the late '80s and hearing the announcement that Jerry bought the team, fired Landry and hired Jimmy Johnson.
I was absolutely thrilled with Jimmy coming in. If you knew anything about football you knew he was a gamer and had the potential to be successful.
Its crazy that some people were bagging on Jimmy back then. He had been nothing but successful for most of his career.
superpunk
08-10-2006, 11:06 PM
Jimmah is excited about everything, not just the Boys. He's not coming back, and the more I look at what he did in the 90s in depth, I don't think I'd want him to. The draft is SO important now, particularly the later rounds, after the no-brainers like Troy and Michael are off the boards - and truth be told, Jimmah wasn't that great at the draft.
TruBlueCowboy
08-10-2006, 11:09 PM
Poor Bill. The man single-handedly ressurects one of the worst franchises in the league, a team so bad we were looking at players like Ryan Leaf and Mario Edwards as our saviors, yet we're still talking about his coaching replacement.
2much2soon
08-10-2006, 11:12 PM
Poor Bill. The man single-handedly ressurects one of the worst franchises in the league, a team so bad we were looking at players like Ryan Leaf and Mario Edwards as our saviors, yet we're still talking about his coaching replacement.
In all fairness to both, Jimmy resurrected one of the worst franchises in the league. Bill is resurrecting one of the most mediocre.
superpunk
08-10-2006, 11:17 PM
Poor Bill. The man single-handedly ressurects one of the worst franchises in the league, a team so bad we were looking at players like Ryan Leaf and Mario Edwards as our saviors, yet we're still talking about his coaching replacement.
Coaches that win three (that's right, I said it Sooner fans) super bowls will always die hard as legends.
Holy mixed-metaphors Batman~! :p:
CrazyCowboy
08-11-2006, 06:34 AM
I believe they have already made up.....
BlueStar II
08-11-2006, 08:15 AM
I agree with HeavyHitta31 and also Jimmy40 that we should really be thankful of Minnesota's front office at the time, and Switzer did indeed, inherit the keys to the team and Switzer merely went along for the ride.
tunahelper
08-11-2006, 08:15 AM
I dont want to beat a dead bush to death but watching him on the half time show just rushed thoughts through my mind....To me he seemed to get very excited about us playing JAX in the first game. Which leads me to the question everyone has wondered... Would he ever come back to coach the Cowboys.. If Parcells and Owens clash, I truly believe that the only one that could coach TO is Jimmy. So could he and Jones make up and let him win two or three more Super Bowls and keep us on top?? I hate to bring all this up with the season a month away, but if this team doesnt perform like it should I think that Parcells retires...SO let me have it..Tell me how you really feel....lol...:starspin
Maybe if Dallas relocates to south Florida?
noshame
08-11-2006, 08:30 AM
Jimmy was a great coach, but he was surrounded with great coaches also. He was not so successful without them.
Just like another coach we may know of....;)
lspain1
08-11-2006, 08:44 AM
Jimmy was a great coach, but he was surrounded with great coaches also. He was not so successful without them.
Just like another coach we may know of....;)
So noshame, does that mean you buy into the skin's approach...a la...coaching can make THE difference? Jimmy's success with the Cowboys came from the ability to coach, surround himself with good coaches but most importantly, he was well positioned to know where the talent was in the college ranks. The NFL is a talent acquisition business and I'm not sure Jimmy would be as well positioned today to accomplish that. I remain on the Charlie Weis bandwagon, for a number of reasons. I say no to Jimmy.
Yeagermeister
08-11-2006, 08:48 AM
Coaches that win three (that's right, I said it Sooner fans) super bowls will always die hard as legends.
Ummm which coaches would that be Bill and Jimmy only have two.
Sure let's bring back Jimmy and spend another 3 or 4 years rebuilding the team.
superpunk
08-11-2006, 08:50 AM
Ummm which coaches would that be Bill and Jimmy only have two.
Sure let's bring back Jimmy and spend another 3 or 4 years rebuilding the team.
Jimmy had 4. Switzer ruined one and took credit for another. ;) But I refuse to believe him.
Yeagermeister
08-11-2006, 08:54 AM
Jimmy had 4. Switzer ruined one and took credit for another. ;) But I refuse to believe him.
Sorry to rain on your parade but we didn't go to the SB 4 times and I agree Switzer's SB should go to Jimmy.
superpunk
08-11-2006, 08:54 AM
Sorry to rain on your parade but we didn't go to the SB 4 times and I agree Switzer's SB should go to Jimmy.
/smacks forehead.....shakes head....
Once you leave you cannot come back.
Jimmy was great, but its time to move on.
I think Parcells is great, and would love to see him here for a long time, but the reality is that he is here for 2 years max (depending on this season). Hopefully we can get someone like Weiss or Stoops in Dallas.
Tuna Helper
08-11-2006, 09:30 AM
I dont want to beat a dead bush to death but watching him on the half time show just rushed thoughts through my mind....To me he seemed to get very excited about us playing JAX in the first game. Which leads me to the question everyone has wondered... Would he ever come back to coach the Cowboys.. If Parcells and Owens clash, I truly believe that the only one that could coach TO is Jimmy. So could he and Jones make up and let him win two or three more Super Bowls and keep us on top?? I hate to bring all this up with the season a month away, but if this team doesnt perform like it should I think that Parcells retires...SO let me have it..Tell me how you really feel....lol...:starspin
Let's remember that Jimmy did not have the same success with the Dolphins as he had with the Cowboys. Let's also remember that he was surrounded by "The Triplets", and he knew Troy, Emmitt, and Irvin quite well while he was a college coach. He tried to recruit Emmitt to Miami, and he coached Irvin in college, though Irvin was drafted by Dallas before JJ came to Big D.
Jimmy was in tune with the collegiate prospects in the early 90's. He lost that in depth knowledge later in the decade as he left Dallas and eventually went to Miami.
Jimmy is now more out of tune than he has ever been in the past as far as the college game is concerned, and the draft is critical these days.
Let's let Jimmy continue to rest on the beach in the Florida keys.
chargrove
08-11-2006, 09:30 AM
Maybe someone LIKE Jimmy Johnson, i.e., a ballsy, winning college coach. Any of those guys out there now?
REDVOLUTION
08-11-2006, 09:40 AM
Good point, but when Jimmah walked into Valley Ranch, he was like a kid on Christmas morning. He had every imaginable thing a coach could want. The number one pick in the draft, a future filled with multiple first, second and third round picks, an owner whom expense didnt matter to, and the knowledge of all the best college players that few new NFL coaches have with which to use in drafting.
He had to make the most of the opportunity, which he did, but he certainly didnt have to dig, scrape and crawl for the good players he got.
He STILL had to make the lemonade.
Erik_H
08-11-2006, 09:43 AM
I dont want to beat a dead bush to death but watching him on the half time show just rushed thoughts through my mind....To me he seemed to get very excited about us playing JAX in the first game. Which leads me to the question everyone has wondered... Would he ever come back to coach the Cowboys.. If Parcells and Owens clash, I truly believe that the only one that could coach TO is Jimmy. So could he and Jones make up and let him win two or three more Super Bowls and keep us on top?? I hate to bring all this up with the season a month away, but if this team doesnt perform like it should I think that Parcells retires...SO let me have it..Tell me how you really feel....lol...:starspin
If I told you how I really felt. I would get banned.
REDVOLUTION
08-11-2006, 09:45 AM
I agree with HeavyHitta31 and also Jimmy40 that we should really be thankful of Minnesota's front office at the time, and Switzer did indeed, inherit the keys to the team and Switzer merely went along for the ride.
I think its funny how Jimmy gets less and less credit as more and more time goes by...
why? because of Herschel? #1's? etc...
just because he didnt have success in Miami doesnt mean he cant coach or he couldnt still coach.... in Miami he had Marino, big deal, never did anything but set INDIVIDUAL records...
so what about Belichek? no success in Cleveland and now a genius? same as Jimmy but in reverse... had his success on 2nd go round...
with that said I dont want Jimmy back in Dallas... just had to point out some things...
ConcordCowboy
08-11-2006, 10:06 AM
Never say never...If Gibbs can do it so can Jimmy. And I would be very Happy if he did.
That being said I don't think it really will ever happen and even if he did it would be incredibly hard to capture lightning in a bottle twice.
Alexander
08-11-2006, 10:07 AM
A question to those salivating over Jimmy Johnson possibly returning:
What on earth would he do with this defensive football team which is completely the opposite of the one he built?
Yeagermeister
08-11-2006, 10:16 AM
A question to those salivating over Jimmy Johnson possibly returning:
What on earth would he do with this defensive football team which is completely the opposite of the one he built?
Stop you are making to much sense :D
dillinger319
08-11-2006, 10:41 AM
Well I really wasnt trying to stir up a hornets nest, I just wanted to see the reactions...Someone asked about the Defense, how would Jimmy Handle it..Well I believe our defense if needed could switch right over to the 4-3. Yeh were a little bigger but they are just as fast. The rotation and depth would match that of what he had. Ware could be his Haley, Spears and Canty in the middle with Ellis on the sides. We have plenty of LB's so for that argument our defense would be just fine.
Another poster asked about a Jimmy Clone (if you will) thats up tempo and ballsy, I really dont know of one but someone I would consider is the HC of Iowa..I think he will be a good one and will be looked at heavily following the end of the college season.
I dont want Parcells to leave but I would be fooling myself to think that he wont. Maybe someone is already here waiting in the wings, Like Zimmer or Haley. I just dont want the Switzer, Gailey, Campo years to come back.
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