What did Jimmy and Howie say?

[Champsheart]

On the Fox halftime report they said they where going to discuss the NFC East, but my station went to the fricking local news.

Can anyone give a recap of what Jimmy and Howie said?

I could care less what Terry said.

[acheman]

That's funny because Jimmy picked the Eagles (I think) not sure what Howie said, but TERYY PICKED DALLAS TO WIN THE EAST.:)

[ravidubey]

The Eagles are flying (no pun intended) under the radar. They have the best QB, OL, and DL in the division and also have an excellent secondary. They have the weakest LB's, WR's, and RB's, so they will be hit and miss, but anyone who sleeps on them is being stupid.

[Doomsday101]

The Eagles are flying (no pun intended) under the radar. They have the best QB, OL, and DL in the division and also have an excellent secondary. They have the weakest LB's, WR's, and RB's, so they will be hit and miss, but anyone who sleeps on them is being stupid.

I agree and I expect Jim Johnson to get more out of his defense than he did last season. I know most of the focus was on McNabb and TO but I think the biggest problem Philly had was on the defensive side of the ball and I don't expect that to be the case this season.

[REDVOLUTION]

The Eagles are flying (no pun intended) under the radar. They have the best QB, OL, and DL in the division and also have an excellent secondary. They have the weakest LB's, WR's, and RB's, so they will be hit and miss, but anyone who sleeps on them is being stupid.

How are measuring "the best" especially when it comes to QB???

[Doomsday101]

How are measuring "the best" especially when it comes to QB???

I would not call him the best but given the fact he was producing when he had no great WR I would consider him one of the better QB's in the league. He has thrown 134 TD to only 66 ints and has ran for 21 TD's. If there is one knock on him he has fallen apart in NFC championship games in the past but he has also lead his team to NFC Championship games.

[CrazyCowboy]

The Eagles are flying (no pun intended) under the radar. They have the best QB, OL, and DL in the division and also have an excellent secondary. They have the weakest LB's, WR's, and RB's, so they will be hit and miss, but anyone who sleeps on them is being stupid.

I disagree.....IMO the Giants have the best DL.....period

[chinch]

The Eagles are flying (no pun intended) under the radar. They have the best QB, OL, and DL in the division and also have an excellent secondary. They have the weakest LB's, WR's, and RB's, so they will be hit and miss, but anyone who sleeps on them is being stupid.
Worst head coach
Secondary is NOT excellent (rather mediocre)
QB.. not really an advantage (can't play a tough game)
OL/DL is questionable

but whatever.

[CoCo]

Obviously I love it when Dallas reigns supreme.

But I also love it when we're simply playing great football and that is what I think may happen across the entire NFC East.

I would much rather win a hard-fought game against quality competition than beat the pants off a weak football team.

If we do our part in becoming a high quality team this year then I think its gonna be fun no matter how it turns out.

There was nothing better than beating the Eagles (a high quality team) in their house, for the first time under Jimmy. It was 1991, K-Mart's punt return (with Holt's crushing block) was the clincher! Even though we ultimately got wiped out in Detroit in the playoffs, it was clear we'd arrived as a force to be reckoned with. Man that was fun!

[NinePointOh]

I disagree.....IMO the Giants have the best DL.....period

They have the best defensive ends without a doubt, but the team is very concerned about its DTs.

[stilltheguru]

eagles secondary=very overrated

[peplaw06]

How are measuring "the best" especially when it comes to QB???

I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks McNabb isn't the best all around QB in the East is missing something

[stilltheguru]

mcnabb is the best qb in the division.

[Cowboy Bebop]

I disagree.....IMO the Giants have the best DL.....period

They are toying with a 4 end set for specific situations....That is very scary.

[Cowboy Bebop]

mcnabb is the best qb in the division.

I want to argue that...but I can't. Man I hate that guy. Any time I see him in an interview he has such an entitled attitude, it really bothers me.

[TheSport78]

i think it's more of philly's offensive line being productive rather than mcnabb being one of the best QB's in the league, give mcnabb dallas' offensive line late last season and see how he fares..mcnabb's accuracy has always been questioned, especially when his OL doesn't hold up as well

[theebs]

The Eagles are flying (no pun intended) under the radar. They have the best QB, OL, and DL in the division and also have an excellent secondary. They have the weakest LB's, WR's, and RB's, so they will be hit and miss, but anyone who sleeps on them is being stupid.


Couldnt agree more. And if you look at them closely they have the easiest first month of any of the teams.

They get houston, tenn. and green bay 3 of the first 4 weeks. They get the second week giants game but it is at philly which will be rocking.

I think Philly is going to start 4-0 and then give us the toughest game of the season in philly october 8th. If they win they will be 5-0 with 2 divisional wins.

If they get to 5-0 their confidence will be through the roof.

I think the thing holding them back possibly is the lousy linebackers they have. IF their DT's struggle again, those linebackers are in big trouble. Trotter is a monster against the run but if you get him in space with the tight ends in this division he is in trouble.

I can see philly winning 9+ games for sure and maybe as many as 11.

[Cowboy Bebop]

i think it's more of philly's offensive line being productive rather than mcnabb being one of the best QB's in the league, give mcnabb dallas' offensive line late last season and see how he fares..mcnabb's accuracy has always been questioned, especially when his OL doesn't hold up as well

....14 seconds. And I hate you for making me relive that by the way.

[cowboys#1]

i agree mcnugget is the best qb in the east...even though i hate him i would put him on our team in a heartbeat...

[DragonCowboy]

i agree mcnugget is the best qb in the east...even though i hate him i would put him on our team in a heartbeat...

I would hate to have McNabb on our team. he would do nothing here. Look who's our WR...

[Phoenix-Talon]

ravidubey[/b]] Originally Posted by The Eagles are flying (no pun intended) under the radar. They have the best QB, OL, and DL in the division and also have an excellent secondary. They have the weakest LB's, WR's, and RB's, so they will be hit and miss, but anyone who sleeps on them is being stupid.

YoMick How are measuring "the best" especially when it comes to QB???


I would not call him the best but given the fact he was producing when he had no great WR I would consider him one of the better QB's in the league. He has thrown 134 TD to only 66 ints and has ran for 21 TD's. If there is one knock on him he has fallen apart in NFC championship games in the past but he has also lead his team to NFC Championship games.

Calling McNabb ..."The Best QB" means absolutely nothing! You guys are getting caught up In meaningless jaron. That's one Person's opinion! Whether I believe He is, you believe he doesn't, or you provide meaningless last years stats or anything.

What matters Is what Bledsoe, Manning, Brunell and McNabb does in 2006! Wait ...let's add one more variable Into the calculation ...let's throw in the effectiveness of our OL to give our Qbs time to develop and execute their plays.

I thought you guys knew better to fall into the my qb is better than Yours trap!

[Doomsday101]

Calling McNabb ..."The Best QB" means absolutely nothing! You guys are getting caught up In meaningless jaron. That's one Person's opinion! Whether I believe He is, you believe he doesn't, or you provide meaningless last years stats or anything.

What matters Is what Bledsoe, Manning, Brunell and McNabb does in 2006! Wait ...let's add one more variable Into the calculation ...let's throw in the effectiveness of our OL to give our Qbs time to develop and execute their plays.

I thought you guys knew better to fall into the my qb is better than Yours trap!

I'm not falling into any trap. Do I think McNabb is the best QB in the league NO do i think he is one of the top Qb's in the NFL yes. I was not even comparing him to Bledsoe or any other QB in the east. I think he has done a very good job at QB in philly even when he did not have the best WR core and I have not writen Philly off this season even though I hope they do finish last but I don't think that will be the case.

[cowboys#1]

Calling McNabb ..."The Best QB" means absolutely nothing! You guys are getting caught up In meaningless jaron. That's one Person's opinion! Whether I believe He is, you believe he doesn't, or you provide meaningless last years stats or anything.

What matters Is what Bledsoe, Manning, Brunell and McNabb does in 2006! Wait ...let's add one more variable Into the calculation ...let's throw in the effectiveness of our OL to give our Qbs time to develop and execute their plays.

I thought you guys knew better to fall into the my qb is better than Yours trap!mcnabb is the best because he took a team without any wr's to a couple of nfc title games and a super bowl....nuff said, i still hate him though...

[MC KAos]

mcnabb is a choke artist and he is NOT the best qb in the division

[Kilyin]

You can tell there's still some bad blood with Jimmy and the Cowboys. I don't think he's ever picked them to win the division since he became a commentator. And with such a competitive division in the NFC East, how can a former HC of the Cowboys pick the Eagles to win? Let it go Jimmy, let it go.

[Cowboy Bebop]

You can tell there's still some bad blood with Jimmy and the Cowboys. I don't think he's ever picked them to win the division since he became a commentator. And with such a competitive division in the NFC East, how can a former HC of the Cowboys pick the Eagles to win? Let it go Jimmy, let it go.

I think you are imagining things.

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree and I expect Jim Johnson to get more out of his defense than he did last season. I know most of the focus was on McNabb and TO but I think the biggest problem Philly had was on the defensive side of the ball and I don't expect that to be the case this season.

the biggest problem was injury

if they stay healthy, they could field a good team

[jobberone]

I disagree.....IMO the Giants have the best DL.....period

I would agree they have one of the best 4-3 lines in the NFL. I think we have one of the best 3-4 lines. I don't think you can compare ours with theirs as their DL is set up to make more plays while our LBs will make more plays than our DL will.

[Bob Sacamano]

I disagree.....IMO the Giants have the best DL.....period

:hammer:

and I think our's is better too

[Doomsday101]

the biggest problem was injury

if they stay healthy, they could field a good team

I agree. Jim Johnson loves to bring the blitz but as they say those who live by the blitz can die by the blitz. Due to some injuries and not great play from the secondary all the blitzing last season hurt them. I'll also say and get blasted for it but I think the turmoil taking place did not help matters.

[Kilyin]

I think you are imagining things.

I think that you're imagining that you think I'm imagining things.

[tyke1doe]

I think that you're imagining that you think I'm imagining things.

And I think you're imagining that he's imagining that you're imagining things. :laugh2:

Why is it when a former Cowboy picks against the Cowboys he somehow has "issues" with how he was treated when he was with the Cowboys? :confused:

I don't think it's a stretch to say the Eagles will win the division. Excluding last year when injury to McNabb and TO doomed their season, the Eagles won the division three straight years sans Mr. TO and with about as poor a receiving corp as they have now.

With a healthy McNabb and a more solid offensive and defensive line, I can see them resuming form of the previous years. I don't think they will overtake the other three teams, but based on past production, I don't see how anyone can rule it out.

[Cowboy Bebop]

And I think you're imagining that he's imagining that you're imagining things. :laugh2:

Why is it when a former Cowboy picks against the Cowboys he somehow has "issues" with how he was treated when he was with the Cowboys? :confused:

I don't think it's a stretch to say the Eagles will win the division. Excluding last year when injury to McNabb and TO doomed their season, the Eagles won the division three straight years sans Mr. TO and with about as poor a receiving corp as they have now.

With a healthy McNabb and a more solid offensive and defensive line, I can see them resuming form of the previous years. I don't think they will overtake the other three teams, but based on past production, I don't see how anyone can rule it out.

I was going to say the same thing, but I did not feel like typing it all out. I had lots of tacos for lunch and am feeling very lazy.

[Bob Sacamano]

And I think you're imagining that he's imagining that you're imagining things. :laugh2:

Why is it when a former Cowboy picks against the Cowboys he somehow has "issues" with how he was treated when he was with the Cowboys? :confused:

I don't think it's a stretch to say the Eagles will win the division. Excluding last year when injury to McNabb and TO doomed their season, the Eagles won the division three straight years sans Mr. TO and with about as poor a receiving corp as they have now.

With a healthy McNabb and a more solid offensive and defensive line, I can see them resuming form of the previous years. I don't think they will overtake the other three teams, but based on past production, I don't see how anyone can rule it out.

last year with a relatively healthy team, and with McNabb and TO, before the outbreak, they were 4-5, and beat a couple of horrible teams, I think they'll be a good team, but by no means a threat to take the division

[Kilyin]

Why is it when a former Cowboy picks against the Cowboys he somehow has "issues" with how he was treated when he was with the Cowboys?

I don't think it's a stretch to say the Eagles will win the division. Excluding last year when injury to McNabb and TO doomed their season, the Eagles won the division three straight years sans Mr. TO and with about as poor a receiving corp as they have now.



Well, for one Jimmy didn't part ways gracefully with the organization.

Secondly, I think it is quite a stretch to pick a team that went 0 and 6 in the division to win said division the very next year.

And don't get me started on Mcnabb. Mcnabb's injury was a joke... he was only really injured when it was convenient, hence that lame moonwalking in the 2nd Cowboys game after he scrambled for a TD. Then suddenly he can't walk off the field after the gamewinning interception by Roy and Bradie James shoving him to the ground. Mcnabb is not only a choker, but a drama queen.

[acheman]

"Secondly, I think it is quite a stretch to pick a team that went 0 and 6 in the division to win said division the very next year. "




I would agree witht that, except the team that 0-6 in the division last year, WON the division the year before.

[Kilyin]

Yes, but the NFC East has changed dramatically since the Eagles were top dog two years ago. I would say it's more competitive now than it has been in a long time. The Cowboys, Skins, and Giants were all very mediocre teams two years ago. I don't think that's the case anymore.

[jobberone]

A case could be made for any team in the NFC East to win it all.

Injuries, turnovers, and ole fashion 'will to win' will have a lot to say about who wins the division.

[tyke1doe]

last year with a relatively healthy team, and with McNabb and TO, before the outbreak, they were 4-5, and beat a couple of horrible teams, I think they'll be a good team, but by no means a threat to take the division

Well, they lost to some good teams also. And they beat some good teams also.

Sep 12 - at Atlanta - L (10-14)
Sep 18 - San Francisco - W (42-3)
Sep 25 - Oakland - W (23-20)
Oct 2 - at Kansas City - W (37-31)
Oct 9 - at Dallas - L (10-33)
Week 6 BYE
Oct 23 - San Diego - W (20-17)
Oct 30 - at Denver - L (21-49)
Nov 6 - at Washington - L (10-17)
Nov 14 - Dallas - L (20-21)
Nov 20 - at N.Y. Giants - L (17-27)
Nov 27 - Green Bay - W (19-14)
Dec 5 - Seattle - L (0-42)
Dec 11 - N.Y. Giants - L (23-26 OT)
Dec 18 - at St. Louis - W (17-16)
Dec 24 - at Arizona - L (21-27)
Jan 1 - Washington - L (20-31)

As for being "relatively healthy," Donovan McNabb got hurt in the first game of the season, an injury exacerbated during the second Dallas game.

And if we're going to argue "relative health" what was the Cowboys excuse? Consider the loss of Flozell Adams to the loss of Donovan McNabb. If you're willing to offer Adams as a reason for the Cowboys offensive slump, why would not the same apply for the Eagles with respect to McNabb's injury?

They may or may not take the division. That remains to be seen. But the Eagles have restocked their defensive line and their offensive line (Andrews should be better with maturity).

Again, I don't think it's a stretch to say they can win the division, especially since the team is "relatively" young.

[Bob Sacamano]

tyke1doe, read my post again, I don't think you quite understood what was written

[RXP]

Couldnt agree more. And if you look at them closely they have the easiest first month of any of the teams.

They get houston, tenn. and green bay 3 of the first 4 weeks. They get the second week giants game but it is at philly which will be rocking.

I think Philly is going to start 4-0 and then give us the toughest game of the season in philly october 8th. If they win they will be 5-0 with 2 divisional wins.

If they get to 5-0 their confidence will be through the roof.

I think the thing holding them back possibly is the lousy linebackers they have. IF their DT's struggle again, those linebackers are in big trouble. Trotter is a monster against the run but if you get him in space with the tight ends in this division he is in trouble.

I can see philly winning 9+ games for sure and maybe as many as 11.
Chech out the second half of their schedule.

They will be lucky to win 3 games. One or two wins is much more likely considering how thin they are in most positions.

[tyke1doe]

Well, for one Jimmy didn't part ways gracefully with the organization.

So?

Jimmy orchestrated a way out of Dallas. That was engineered by Jimmy, the master motivator. Besides, he and Jerry Jones have patched things up since then.

Where is the proof that Jimmy has an axe to grind with the Cowboys? :confused:


Secondly, I think it is quite a stretch to pick a team that went 0 and 6 in the division to win said division the very next year.

Yeah, like the Cowboys who went 0 and something before they beat the Eagles and took the NFC East division in 1992? ;)

In addition, you're not factoring in injuries and the absence of TO, who, remember, took a majority of the practice time with McNabb.

The Eagles had only played ONE NFC East game with TO and McNabb (the Dallas game). TO was suspended for the Washington game and then McNabb gets injured in the Dallas game. So that's three NFC East games played prior to McNabb's injury.

And in the other games, one can clearly see that McMahon and Detmer couldn't lead the Eagles to a victory over their NFC East counterparts. A healthy McNabb would likely have led the Eagles to a victory over the Skins, a victory that could have put Dallas in the playoffs.

I think it makes a big difference not having your top QB and being surrounded by team TO turmoil.

And don't get me started on Mcnabb. Mcnabb's injury was a joke... he was only really injured when it was convenient, hence that lame moonwalking in the 2nd Cowboys game after he scrambled for a TD. Then suddenly he can't walk off the field after the gamewinning interception by Roy and Bradie James shoving him to the ground. Mcnabb is not only a choker, but a drama queen.

Yeah, you can get into McNabb's body and determine whether he was injured or not?

And you complaining about Jimmy Johnson's "bias" against the Cowboys. :rolleyes:

I suspect your bias against McNabb leads you to believe that he wasn't injured.

Whatever.

[alex94]

Worst head coach
Secondary is NOT excellent (rather mediocre)
QB.. not really an advantage (can't play a tough game)
OL/DL is questionable

but whatever.

I agree,overrated team. Maybe best athletic QB but I don't believe other QB's in our division would get tired in the Super Bowl, They had their run and that run is over, rest of the division has caught up and passed them. :bow:

[tyke1doe]

I agree,overrated team. Maybe best athletic QB but I don't believe other QB's in our division would get tired in the Super Bowl, They had their run and that run is over, rest of the division has caught up and passed them. :bow:

No, Eli would just get frustrated.
Bledsoe would take a sack
and Burnell would creek because of old age.

[Cowboy Bebop]

I agree,overrated team. Maybe best athletic QB but I don't believe other QB's in our division would get tired in the Super Bowl, They had their run and that run is over, rest of the division has caught up and passed them. :bow:

Did you make a new account to agree with yourself?

[Phoenix-Talon]

mcnabb is the best because he took a team without any wr's to a couple of nfc title games and a super bowl....nuff said, i still hate him though...

I respect your answer ...

[Cowboy Bebop]

I respect your answer ...

I am sure he will sleep better tonight knowing that.

[sf49rh8r]

Obviously I love it when Dallas reigns supreme.

But I also love it when we're simply playing great football and that is what I think may happen across the entire NFC East.

I would much rather win a hard-fought game against quality competition than beat the pants off a weak football team.

If we do our part in becoming a high quality team this year then I think its gonna be fun no matter how it turns out.

There was nothing better than beating the Eagles (a high quality team) in their house, for the first time under Jimmy. It was 1991, K-Mart's punt return (with Holt's crushing block) was the clincher! Even though we ultimately got wiped out in Detroit in the playoffs, it was clear we'd arrived as a force to be reckoned with. Man that was fun!


How about beating the pants off quality teams!!!!Let's just kick everybody's ***!!!

[Phoenix-Talon]

I am sure he will sleep better tonight knowing that.

I don't respect your answer! ...does that mean you won't sleep well tonight?

[stealth]

mcnabb is a fake and he pretends to be something he isn't cause he is a tool.
I hate that guy with a passion the fake smile, the way he thinks his comments are cute and clever. The bs way he pretends to care about that kid in the commercial or the stupid dance he does so he can prove he is one of the little people too.

wow I hate donavon mcnabb.

he isn't the best qb in the division he is the biggest tool.

[ravidubey]

and I think our's is better too
We have the best 3-4 line, but the Eagles have the best 4-3 line. 3-4 Lines have solid players who tie up blockers but do not make plays. In today's game they rely upon depth and while we go five deep at DE we are suspect in the middle.

4-3 lines usually try to have playmakers man 3 positions which is why it's so difficult to build one. But Philly has two first round picks manning DT with solid veteran depth, then add to this Kearse and Howard at DE plus more quality depth and you have a very versatile unit without real weaknesses. You can no longer double Jevon Kearse, who has managed to stay healthy and Howard is solid against the run despite also being a good pass rusher. The only thing I could see being an issue is that both Patterson and Bunkley are penetrator-type DT's, but then they have Howard and Kearse, solid run supporters, on either side and Trotter behind them. Behind Trotter are Dawkins and Lewis. Philly is solid up the middle.

The Giants have the two best defensive ends with solid depth behind them, but their interior DL, Robbins and Joseph, are nothing to write home about. That's their weakness, and they follow that up with the decent but undersized Antonio Pierce in the middle. Then behind them you have Gabril Wilson and Will Demps-- two OK but unspectacular safeties. That's a very soft middle by comparison.

Washington has Griffin who is solid then some guy named Saliva (gg) next to him. Behind them is a good but undersized LB in Marshall and two solid safeties in Taylor and Archuleta. Washington is solid, but doesn't penetrate up the middle and/or collapse a pocket.

The Cowboys have Fergy, James, and Ayodele with possible support from either DE and of course Roy and Killer. That's a solid, physical interior, but who knows what we have in Fergy and the depth backup him up?

So when you rate the defensive interior, you have to say Philly's as good as anyone. When you talk about the edges of the defense, Philly is weak at LB, but strong both at DE and in the secondary. That's a defensive weakness, but it has nothing to do with the DL.

[Kilyin]

Yeah, you can get into McNabb's body and determine whether he was injured or not?

And you complaining about Jimmy Johnson's "bias" against the Cowboys. :rolleyes:

I suspect your bias against McNabb leads you to believe that he wasn't injured.


I suspect your man-love for Mcnabb leads you to believe he was injured. Or can you get into Mcnabb's body and make that determination?

Whatever.

No, my 'ability to see' (sometimes referred to as vision) leads me to believe he wasn't really injured as bad as he and the media portrayed. I saw him running around, scrambling for a TD, and playing just fine.

Then when Bradie James blocked and pancaked him during the interception by Roy, he was suddenly stiff and unable to walk again. Very convenient.

[tyke1doe]

I suspect your man-love for Mcnabb leads you to believe he was injured. Or can you get into Mcnabb's body and make that determination?

This response is indicative of your debate and reasoning skills.

If anyone supports a player or diss a player he either has to be in "Man-love" or has to be a hater.

Children.

As for your question, it is not for me to get into McNabb's body to determine whether he was faking.

You don't believe what he or his trainers or his team has said.

The burden of proof is on YOU not me.




No, my 'ability to see' (sometimes referred to as vision) leads me to believe he wasn't really injured as bad as he and the media portrayed. I saw him running around, scrambling for a TD, and playing just fine.

You mean you have X-ray vision?

You mean players can't play hurt and run around and scramble for TDs?

You do know that Jack Youngblood played a whole game with a broken arm?

You do know that Emmitt Smith continued to play in a game with a separated shoulder don't you?

Pulease.

You're just revealing your ignorance.



Then when Bradie James blocked and pancaked him during the interception by Roy, he was suddenly stiff and unable to walk again. Very convenient.

And he didn't return the rest of the season. So was he injured or faking? :rolleyes:

[Kilyin]

If anyone supports a player or diss a player he either has to be in "Man-love" or has to be a hater.

Children.

I used the same reasoning as you. You claim its my bias versus Mcnabb that causes me to believe he over dramatized and milked the injury. I'm claiming it's your man-love and admiration for Mcnabb that causes you to believe everything he says. There is no burden of proof on anyone, because neither side can prove anything.


You mean players can't play hurt and run around and scramble for TDs?

You do know that Jack Youngblood played a whole game with a broken arm?

You do know that Emmitt Smith continued to play in a game with a separated shoulder don't you?

Pulease.


So now you're going to compare Mcnabb to Emmitt Smith and Jack Youngblood? What a joke. Completely different players with completely different injuries. Youngblood and Smith were known for their high pain threshhold and ability to play through injury, while Mcnabb is known for being a girly man.

Clearly, it's alot easier to move around in a normal fashion with a shoulder or arm injury, versus a hernia which affects the entire lower body and midsection. Oh, that's right, I forgot it was only 'sports hernia' and Mcnabb is the father of your unborn child. Carry on.

[tyke1doe]

I used the same reasoning as you. You claim its my bias versus Mcnabb that causes me to believe he over dramatized and milked the injury. I'm claiming it's your man-love and admiration for Mcnabb that causes you to believe everything he says. There is no burden of proof on anyone, because neither side can prove anything.

Sorry, guy, but the rules of evidence don't work that way.

If you're going to make a claim that contradicts what his trainers and his team (remember, teams can be fined if they "lie" about a player injury) said about him, then it is on you not on me to prove he is lying.

Just like when the state claims a person commits a crime, the burden of proof is on the state to prove that the person indeed committed the crime.

The burden of proof is NOT on the defendant to prove his innocence.

As for my man-love, yeah, I'm in love with McNabb. That explains my defense of him and the fact that anyone who isn't blind can see he was injured because he didn't return for the rest of the season and anyone using any objectivity can see that he has to be better than an average QB to get a Philly team with hardly a running game and hardly any WR weapons on offense to three straight NFC Championships prior to the arrival of TO. :rolleyes:



So now you're going to compare Mcnabb to Emmitt Smith and Jack Youngblood? What a joke. Completely different players with completely different injuries. Youngblood and Smith were known for their high pain threshhold and ability to play through injury, while Mcnabb is known for being a girly man.

Really, and how do you know this that Smith and Youngblood had higher thresholds for pain?

You have any evidence or objective criterion to measure your claim?

As for McNabb being a girly man, if taking his team to four consecutive NFC Championship qualifies one for girly man status, we'd better put a dress on Drew Bledsoe because that may be the missing ingredient. :p:

Clearly, it's alot easier to move around in a normal fashion with a shoulder or arm injury, versus a hernia which affects the entire lower body and midsection. Oh, that's right, I forgot it was only 'sports hernia' and Mcnabb is the father of your unborn child. Carry on.

This (the bold part) is really sad and speaks volumes about your deficient debate skills.

When you can't beat them with logic, resort to romper room putdowns.
How mature. :rolleyes:

Second, you just contradicted your above post.

So let me get this straight, Emmitt Smith and Jack Youngblood play with a higher pain tolerance even though it's easier to move around with a shoulder or arm injury yet Donovan McNabb has a hernia "which affects the entire lower body and midsection" and somehow he's a girly man even though he played through it until he got seriously injured.

Are you following your own logic? :confused:

You acknowledge that it's harder to play with a hernia than a separated shoulder (I'm using your logic, of course), which is what Donovan McNabb did.

But the only way you can reconcile/justify your disrespect for Donovan McNabb is to claim that he didn't have a hernia because if you did acknowledge it, then you would have to admit that McNabb is a good player and strong player at that.

You can't even keep up with your own reasoning. :lmao:

Look, Donovan McNabb may have shortcomings, but to sit here and say he was faking is something you want to believe - unless you can generate some evidence to support your claim.

The burden of proof is on YOU not me.

Pa-ping.

Ball back in your court, though I'm not expecting much more in the way of evidence. ;)

[Kilyin]

Sorry, guy, but the rules of evidence don't work that way.

If you're going to make a claim that contradicts what his trainers and his team (remember, teams can be fined if they "lie" about a player injury) said about him, then it is on you not on me to prove he is lying.

Just like when the state claims a person commits a crime, the burden of proof is on the state to prove that the person indeed committed the crime.

The burden of proof is NOT on the defendant to prove his innocence.


Now you're going to compare a court of law to NFL players and injuries. If you're naive enough to think that no player or team ever exaggerates or even lies about injuries, well then there is no hope for you. You aren't even worth arguing with. Please put away your wannabe lawyer diatribe, it has absolutely zero relevance to any of this.


As for my man-love, yeah, I'm in love with McNabb.

Obviously.

Really, and how do you know this that Smith and Youngblood had higher thresholds for pain?

It's a well known fact, especially with regard to Emmitt. Aside from last year allegedly, when has Mcnabb ever been known to play through pain or injury? Emmitt did it his entire career. You just feign ignorance when it fits your agenda, and it's pretty transparent. I'm not sure who's a bigger Eagles homer, you or PhoenixTalon.

The rest of your drivel is just rehashed garbage. That injury was Mcnabb's crutch all season whenever he had a bad performance. It's fairly obvious he exaggerated the severity of it, otherwise he wouldn't have waited so long to have the surgery. He wouldn't have played as well as he did against the Cowboys up until the final minutes of the game if he was 'severely injured'. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

I simply offered my opinion and you took offense to it. Usually when people get offended it's because the truth hurts. I'm sorry to cause you such pain. Or are you just faking it like your boyfriend Donovan?

[Cowboys&Caps]

Calling McNabb ..."The Best QB" means absolutely nothing! You guys are getting caught up In meaningless jaron. That's one Person's opinion! Whether I believe He is, you believe he doesn't, or you provide meaningless last years stats or anything.

What matters Is what Bledsoe, Manning, Brunell and McNabb does in 2006! Wait ...let's add one more variable Into the calculation ...let's throw in the effectiveness of our OL to give our Qbs time to develop and execute their plays.

I thought you guys knew better to fall into the my qb is better than Yours trap!


Very intelligent post by you sir!

Its how they perform in 2006 with OL, RB's, and recievers taken into mind.

IMO Bledsoe should technically be alot better stat wise, because he has better tools at wide reciever tight end, and running back.

but not necessarily on the oline

[tyke1doe]

Now you're going to compare a court of law to NFL players and injuries. If you're naive enough to think that no player or team ever exaggerates or even lies about injuries, well then there is no hope for you. You aren't even worth arguing with. Please put away your wannabe lawyer diatribe, it has absolutely zero relevance to any of this.

Did I say we should go to court?

I'm simply informing you how we build "evidence" to convict someone or to decide whether a claim is true or false.

So you say McNabb was faking, where's your proof?


Obviously


As obvious as your knowledge of McNabb's body. ;)


It's a well known fact, especially with regard to Emmitt. Aside from last year allegedly, when has Mcnabb ever been known to play through pain or injury?

Two questions:

1. When did you know McNabb to be injured before?

2. If McNabb played through pain and didn't complain, how would you know?


Emmitt did it his entire career. You just feign ignorance when it fits your agenda, and it's pretty transparent. I'm not sure who's a bigger Eagles homer, you or PhoenixTalon.

First, Emmitt was hardly injured during his career.

Second, Emmitt Smith did come out of game in Minnesota when he broke his wrist. The faker. ;)

Third, so now we're going back to the romper room insults. Typical of your maturity level.





The rest of your drivel is just rehashed garbage. That injury was Mcnabb's crutch all season whenever he had a bad performance.

Really?

McNabb rarely complained about an injury until it become apparent and he was out of the reason of the season.

I guess him not coming back meant he was really, really faking enough to deceive medical trainers. :eek: :rolleyes:

Second, I guess the other three seasons he was leading the Eagles to the NFC East division championship and the NFC Championship he was faking too?

Heck, if he was faking injury, somebody better tell most of the QBs in the league they'd better get on the ball. :D

It's fairly obvious he exaggerated the severity of it, otherwise he wouldn't have waited so long to have the surgery.

Yes, sir, Dr. Kilyin. Your medical insight is astounding.

Aside from your medical knowledge, your flair for contradictions is equally astounding. So if a player waits to have surgery, then he's faking the severity of an injury.

I guess all those players who wait until the end of the year to have surgery must be fakers. :laugh2:

Second, you do know that Donovan McNabb has said he doesn't like surgery. In my mind, that may make him even tougher, willing to let an injury heal naturally or put off surgery because he doesn't like it.

How does that sound, Dr. Kilyin?


He wouldn't have played as well as he did against the Cowboys up until the final minutes of the game if he was 'severely injured'. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

Maybe he has a, er, "high tolerance to pain." What's so hard to understand there, Dr. Kilyin? ;)

I simply offered my opinion and you took offense to it. Usually when people get offended it's because the truth hurts. I'm sorry to cause you such pain. Or are you just faking it like your boyfriend Donovan?

boyfriend Donovan? :lmao2:

Did you think that one up all by yourself? :lmao2:

I'm sorry if you took my assault on your opinion as offense. I asked you for proof. You provided none, and instead started to pontificate about your opinion on his "so-called" injury. Well, I would like to know what school gave you your PhD in medical science, biology or any other related medical field?

What medical opinion from a trainer who actually examined McNabb did you post?

Again, the burden of proof is on you to show evidence he was faking. Beyond anything more substantive, your opinion and, well, you know what they say about opinions and A-holes? ;)

Oh, and about the offense thing, I think you're the one who talked about man-love and boyfriend. Seems to me like someone besides myself was getting a wee bit touchy. Or as you said ...


Usually when people get offended it's because the truth hurts.


:D

[Kilyin]

Due to extreme overusage of emoticons and repeating the same crap over and over again, I declare you the loser of this argument.

Thanks for participating.