To everyone I've offended.

[nathanlt]

I have always been a Cowboys fan.
I’ve come to realize that I had too much reverence for the days of Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, so that when Terrell Owens showboated on the star, I felt that he had spit in the face of the team that I loved. He had mocked the Dallas Cowboys stars I had in reality worshiped. That unhealthy reverence became twisted into a vicious hatred for him that followed wherever he went. Now that he is on the team, there is simply no joy any longer watching them. That’s what happens when you take the Dallas Cowboys too seriously.

The sad thing is, my wife and I had a big fight over whether or not the Cowboys would even be watched in our house. And that’s when I realized Terrell Owens is affecting more than just my favorite team. He was affecting my marriage, and I’m sure not going to let a grudge do that. A grudge is not more important than people, and I have offended many of you by saying you are not fans. One of these days I’m going to forgive him, but it’s going to take a while for me to actually mean it.

I sincerely apologize for the hurtful comments I made to people in here over the Cowboys and “real fans” I’m not going to make any more argument about it, and it’s doubtful that I’ll ever post again. I’m really embarrassed, and once again, I apologize to each and every one of you.

I need to post this now so that I can’t change my mind and slip back into a war over this topic.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You can come down off your cross now.

Its not that people are offended so much as noone takes you seriously. And if youre allowing a player you dont even know affect your relationship with your wife methinks you might need to look internally.

[davidyee]

I have always been a Cowboys fan.
I’ve come to realize that I had too much reverence for the days of Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, so that when Terrell Owens showboated on the star, I felt that he had spit in the face of the team that I loved. He had mocked the Dallas Cowboys stars I had in reality worshiped. That unhealthy reverence became twisted into a vicious hatred for him that followed wherever he went. Now that he is on the team, there is simply no joy any longer watching them. That’s what happens when you take the Dallas Cowboys too seriously.

The sad thing is, my wife and I had a big fight over whether or not the Cowboys would even be watched in our house. And that’s when I realized Terrell Owens is affecting more than just my favorite team. He was affecting my marriage, and I’m sure not going to let a grudge do that. A grudge is not more important than people, and I have offended many of you by saying you are not fans. One of these days I’m going to forgive him, but it’s going to take a while for me to actually mean it.

I sincerely apologize for the hurtful comments I made to people in here over the Cowboys and “real fans” I’m not going to make any more argument about it, and it’s doubtful that I’ll ever post again. I’m really embarrassed, and once again, I apologize to each and every one of you.

I need to post this now so that I can’t change my mind and slip back into a war over this topic.

... have a mental problem. I don't understand how the presence of one person on the Cowboys roster gives you licence to take it out on your loved ones.

It's time for you to leave...BTW, you can take your apology with you. After numerous inflammatory posts towards well meaning and grounded Cowboys fans it's ludicrous of you to think you can regain your dignity and modicum of respect with a simple post.

You dragged your reputation through the gutter with a number of posts and you think one will bring back above ground? Hah!

[KD]

You are not a true Cowboys Fan NLT. Did you stop watching the boys when Deion and Haley were on the team and we were winning Super Bowl's? Thought so.

I hate Mcnabb more than any player in the NFL because I feel he is a crybaby and a choker who is cuddled by the FO in Philly. Close second would be Eli Manning for obvious reasons. But if they were traded to Dallas today I'd support them 100 percent. If we traded RW and DWare for some draft picks I'd be pissed but I'd still support. The Dallas Cowboys and what they represent are bigger than any player who has or will play for us.

[Big Dakota]

I have always been a Cowboys fan.
I’ve come to realize that I had too much reverence for the days of Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, so that when Terrell Owens showboated on the star, I felt that he had spit in the face of the team that I loved. He had mocked the Dallas Cowboys stars I had in reality worshiped. That unhealthy reverence became twisted into a vicious hatred for him that followed wherever he went. Now that he is on the team, there is simply no joy any longer watching them. That’s what happens when you take the Dallas Cowboys too seriously.

The sad thing is, my wife and I had a big fight over whether or not the Cowboys would even be watched in our house. And that’s when I realized Terrell Owens is affecting more than just my favorite team. He was affecting my marriage, and I’m sure not going to let a grudge do that. A grudge is not more important than people, and I have offended many of you by saying you are not fans. One of these days I’m going to forgive him, but it’s going to take a while for me to actually mean it.

I sincerely apologize for the hurtful comments I made to people in here over the Cowboys and “real fans” I’m not going to make any more argument about it, and it’s doubtful that I’ll ever post again. I’m really embarrassed, and once again, I apologize to each and every one of you.

I need to post this now so that I can’t change my mind and slip back into a war over this topic.


WoW, i'm glad i don't live anywhere close to you. The words "Pet Coon" and "**** House Rat" come to mind.

[ka0tik]

You are not a true Cowboys Fan NLT. Did you stop watching the boys when Deion and Haley were on the team and we were winning Super Bowl's? Thought so.

I hate Mcnabb more than any player in the NFL because I feel he is a crybaby and a choker who is cuddled by the FO in Philly. Close second would be Eli Manning for obvious reasons. But if they were traded to Dallas today I'd support them 100 percent. If we traded RW and DWare for some draft picks I'd be pissed but I'd still support. The Dallas Cowboys and what they represent are bigger than any player who has or will play for us.

Well Said.

[Outlaw Heroes]

Some of you might try practicing a bit of forgiveness. It's not often that someone shows enough courage and humility to admit they are wrong and apologize. The public lynching that appears to taking place in response reflects the exact opposite characteristics: it's both gutless and arrogant. Not sure what nathanlt has done to need forgiveness or to elicit this kind of response, but in this thread, at least, a number of you come off looking far worse by comparison.

[Big Dakota]

Some of you might try practicing a bit of forgiveness. It's not often that someone shows enough courage and humility to admit they are wrong and apologize. The public lynching that appears to taking place in response reflects the exact opposite characteristics: it's both gutless and arrogant. Not sure what nathanlt has done to need forgiveness or to elicit this kind of response, but in this thread, at least, a number of you come off looking far worse by comparison.

Hey dude, i'm out of wine. Mind doing a flip flop with this water?

[Zaxor]

Some of you might try practicing a bit of forgiveness. It's not often that someone shows enough courage and humility to admit they are wrong and apologize. The public lynching that appears to taking place in response reflects the exact opposite characteristics: it's both gutless and arrogant. Not sure what nathanlt has done to need forgiveness or to elicit this kind of response, but in this thread, at least, a number of you come off looking far worse by comparison.

I agree... and well said my friend...where have you been

[The Fonz]

Bro don't forget this is just a sport and fun don't take things way too seriously easy on urself first and family . we all want our team to win all the time ,also so many other fans want thier teams to win too. win or lose T.O or no T.O ,I will never lose a sleep over it . My own life is more importent then a team win or lose...relax my friend and set up your priorities in life stright and cheering for your team should not be priority number one...just look around the world to see how belss u are...

[Avenging Hayseed]

Bro don't forget this is just a sport and fun don't take things way too seriously easy on urself first and family . we all want our team to win all the time ,also so many other fans want thier teams to win too. win or lose T.O or no T.O ,I will never lose a sleep over it . My own life is more importent then a team win or lose...relax my friend and set up your priorities in life stright and cheering for your team should not be priority number one...just look around the world to see how belss u are...........Uhhhhhhhhh, Nathan,...Its not that you really need to be forgivin for anything you may have posted on a message board. Even if you did im sure the good folks in here do forgive you. BUT, if what you just posted is indeed TRUE, then you better RUN, not walk to the nearest mental help facility in your area. Im being truthfull here. Listen, im just as big of a fan as the next person but you also have to put things in perspective. You really are in need of some profesional help.

[Avenging Hayseed]

Whoops, sorry DB, somehow I grabbed your quote instead of Nathans.

[The Fonz]

Whoops, sorry DB, somehow I grabbed your quote instead of Nathans.
it is ok bro u can pay me or re edit it lol

[CrazyCowboy]

You are not a true Cowboys Fan NLT. Did you stop watching the boys when Deion and Haley were on the team and we were winning Super Bowl's? Thought so.

I hate Mcnabb more than any player in the NFL because I feel he is a crybaby and a choker who is cuddled by the FO in Philly. Close second would be Eli Manning for obvious reasons. But if they were traded to Dallas today I'd support them 100 percent. If we traded RW and DWare for some draft picks I'd be pissed but I'd still support. The Dallas Cowboys and what they represent are bigger than any player who has or will play for us.

BINGO!

[COWBOYSNUM1]

Some of you might try practicing a bit of forgiveness. It's not often that someone shows enough courage and humility to admit they are wrong and apologize. The public lynching that appears to taking place in response reflects the exact opposite characteristics: it's both gutless and arrogant. Not sure what nathanlt has done to need forgiveness or to elicit this kind of response, but in this thread, at least, a number of you come off looking far worse by comparison.
Well said, my friend :bow:

[rcaldw]

No matter how many flaming posts he wrote, and no matter how far astray his priorities have been, and no matter how mixed his motives might be, the guy said he was sorry and asked forgiveness.

When we respond with "he isn't a true fan", "come down off your cross", "get to a mental health provider", and all the rest, I just wonder how we are any different?

I personally don't understand a fight with your wife over football but if he has come to realize that his priorities have been far wrong, then I rejoice. And if he asks for those whom he has hurt on here to forgive him, I hope they do.

I don't ever remember reading a post of his anyway, but I really have avoided the T.O. stuff, so maybe that's why.

[Zaxor]

No matter how many flaming posts he wrote, and no matter how far astray his priorities have been, and no matter how mixed his motives might be, the guy said he was sorry and asked forgiveness.

When we respond with "he isn't a true fan", "come down off your cross", "get to a mental health provider", and all the rest, I just wonder how we are any different?

I personally don't understand a fight with your wife over football but if he has come to realize that his priorities have been far wrong, then I rejoice. And if he asks for those whom he has hurt on here to forgive him, I hope they do.

I don't ever remember reading a post of his anyway, but I really have avoided the T.O. stuff, so maybe that's why.

Bravo :thankyou: well said

[CrazyCowboy]

Water under the bridge.........keep posting fellow Zoner!

[Phoenix-Talon]

NOTE TO nathanlt...

To some Cowboy fans (certainly not all), I'm probably least welcomed on the Zone; and that's primarily because I'm an Eagles fan - completely understandable. You see, I've been posting here under austere conditions sometimes, for a few years now, but what hasn't killed me, has made me stronger. But here's the point ...

You can't let a handful of anybody dictate your course of action. If you are worth your weight in salt as a Cowboys fan or any kind of fan, you stand up for what you believe. Sure you're going to get slammed, but stand anyway!

You're not any of those labels some of your fandom called you simply because you have a strong passion toward something!

Keep these thoughts in your mind ...

Do it Anyway ...

People are illogical, unreasonable, and self-centered ...Love them anyway.

If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives ...Do good anyway.

If you are successful, you will win false friends and true enemies ...Succeed anyway.

The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow ...Do good anyway.
Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable ...be honest anyway.

The biggest men and women with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest men and women with the smallest minds ...Think big anyway.

People favor underdogs but follow only top dogs ...fight for a few underdogs anyway.

What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight ...Build anyway.

People really need help but may attack you if you help them ...help people anyway.

Give the world the best you have and you'll get kicked in the teeth ...give the world the best you have anyway.

Leave if you must ...but don't let anyone kick you out of anywhere because of your passion for something.

[SkinsandTerps]

Wow PT. No color options. I am inpressed, you must have meant that. J/K.

I agree with the majority here, its only football very few of our lives truly depend on it as a way to provide for our families. The guy was upset made some harsh comments, and shared some opinions that many may not agree with; but he has seemingly come to realize the thing that most of us know...as much as we love the game, we cant let it effect our family lives.

[zrinkill]

Oh lord .....

I hate when people write something sappy so all the heart bleeders will beg them to come back .....

And I hate it more when people fall for it .....

"T.O. is affecting my marriage" .......... give me a break .......

[Alexander]

He was affecting my marriage

You need therapy.

[TheEnigma]

Some of you might try practicing a bit of forgiveness. It's not often that someone shows enough courage and humility to admit they are wrong and apologize. The public lynching that appears to taking place in response reflects the exact opposite characteristics: it's both gutless and arrogant. Not sure what nathanlt has done to need forgiveness or to elicit this kind of response, but in this thread, at least, a number of you come off looking far worse by comparison.


:hammer:

Especially on a message board.

[TheEnigma]

I have always been a Cowboys fan.
I’ve come to realize that I had too much reverence for the days of Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, so that when Terrell Owens showboated on the star, I felt that he had spit in the face of the team that I loved. He had mocked the Dallas Cowboys stars I had in reality worshiped. That unhealthy reverence became twisted into a vicious hatred for him that followed wherever he went. Now that he is on the team, there is simply no joy any longer watching them. That’s what happens when you take the Dallas Cowboys too seriously.

The sad thing is, my wife and I had a big fight over whether or not the Cowboys would even be watched in our house. And that’s when I realized Terrell Owens is affecting more than just my favorite team. He was affecting my marriage, and I’m sure not going to let a grudge do that. A grudge is not more important than people, and I have offended many of you by saying you are not fans. One of these days I’m going to forgive him, but it’s going to take a while for me to actually mean it.

I sincerely apologize for the hurtful comments I made to people in here over the Cowboys and “real fans” I’m not going to make any more argument about it, and it’s doubtful that I’ll ever post again. I’m really embarrassed, and once again, I apologize to each and every one of you.

I need to post this now so that I can’t change my mind and slip back into a war over this topic.

I sure hope you did learn something from this. We as fans need to remember that football is only a game. And sometimes we take it way too far. It's sad to see some people talk about how much they hate a certain football player. For instance when Roethlisberger was in the Motorcycle accident, I imagine there were a number of fans from rival teams happy that he was in it, and we are talking about a near deat incident. How can fans encourage a fellow member when something horrible happens, but then hope the same to a rival team. I'm not accusing anybody of this, I'm just saying it happens, and its wrong.

As for the people saying that you need serious help, I'm not 100% sure I agree with them, although it may be the case. However, I don't think any of us on this board can claim innocence to having an obsession that we take too far. And sometimes these obsessions can hurt people around us. In reality, we all need serious help.

And as for your apology, while I was in no way offended, I do commend you for apologizing. That is if you truly mean it. There is something you can do beyond your apology however. If you continue to post, show in your posts that you meant what you said. I guarantee if you contributed to good wholesome Cowboys talk without any agenda or bashing of any kind, the members of this board will slowly forget what you did and reaccept you as a regular member. But that is your choice.

My personal advice though would be to spend some time away from the Cowboys and re-evaluate what is important to you. Especially your wife, she should easily and without a doubt be more important to you then the Cowboys.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have ripped on you some with the TO stuff.

But now I will just say this.

When a PLAYER, not a team, but a Player creates a rift between you and your wife.

You might need to go seek therapy. I am not saying that to be mean or as a joke. I am dead serious.

That situation is just not right.

It is one thing to argue with the wife because you want to watch the game but she wants to watch the life time movie channel or do something that takes you away from the game.

But to argue over ONE PLAYER.

Sorry but that is just insane behavior.

For your own health and your relationship with your wife, go get therapy or whatever you need to fix the situation.

[jterrell]

nathan, i'd say just move on man.

not from the board just from the whole incident.

if you want to protest to do so in some quiet fashion that doesnt require insulting other fans.

i am pretty sure to will gone in a couple of years and you can worry about whatever the next troublemaker is.

[MichaelWinicki]

Do people realize this is a "kid's game" for cris-sakes?

If they put this much effort into their families or their careers I think they would find their lives that much fuller.

[Chief]

Welcome back, and there's no need to apologize (except maybe to your wife).

[Hostile]

I have always been a Cowboys fan.
I’ve come to realize that I had too much reverence for the days of Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, so that when Terrell Owens showboated on the star, I felt that he had spit in the face of the team that I loved. He had mocked the Dallas Cowboys stars I had in reality worshiped. That unhealthy reverence became twisted into a vicious hatred for him that followed wherever he went. Now that he is on the team, there is simply no joy any longer watching them. That’s what happens when you take the Dallas Cowboys too seriously.The problem really isn't your reverence of the past. It isn't even that you take the Cowboys too seriously. The problem is that you are someone who apparently can truly hate another person you've not even met. How can that be healthy Nate? Hate takes a lot of energy. Hate isn't easy. You have to feed hatred. You fed it. That isn't good.


The sad thing is, my wife and I had a big fight over whether or not the Cowboys would even be watched in our house. And that’s when I realized Terrell Owens is affecting more than just my favorite team. He was affecting my marriage, and I’m sure not going to let a grudge do that. A grudge is not more important than people, and I have offended many of you by saying you are not fans. One of these days I’m going to forgive him, but it’s going to take a while for me to actually mean it.I guess I don't understand. How can you forgive him and not mean it? The rift with your wife is exactly what I meant by the what I said above. I'm assuming she is also a Cowboys fan. That could be wrong on my part. It really isn't important. But apparently what you have done is tell her what she can or can't do and how she has to feel about this. No different than any Dictator. Marriage isn't a dictatorship it's a partnership.

You'd actually allow hatred for someone else dictate your relationship with your wife? Over a touchdown celebration? Nate, remember when I told you this man owned you? That's exactly what I'm talking about right there.

You mentioned the names Staubach and Landry as those who TO offended. Be honest with me here. Do you think Roger Staubach hates TO? Do you think Tom Landry would refuse to forgive the man? Nate, I just don't see it. One of the foundations of the Christianity that they espoused is foregiveness.


I sincerely apologize for the hurtful comments I made to people in here over the Cowboys and “real fans” I’m not going to make any more argument about it, and it’s doubtful that I’ll ever post again. I’m really embarrassed, and once again, I apologize to each and every one of you.

I need to post this now so that I can’t change my mind and slip back into a war over this topic. Once again I'll say that I don't think the "I'll never post again" approach is the right avenue to take. That's still a reactionary method and that is what led you down the wrong path to start with. You've apologized. I assume you would prefer to be forgiven. TO apologized by saying he was going to do whatever he can to return us to winning. He promised Jerry he wouldn't let him down. I assume he would like to be forgiven.

You don't have to like the man. You don't even have to root for him to do well; although I confess I don't understand that. If he does well it means the team I love benefits. I do think he need to let it go. If for no other reason than you haven't been rational about the whole deal. There's a reason for that. Hate is never rational. There's no such thing as well thought out hatred.

Just food for thought.

[BlueStar22]

I’ve come to realize that I had too much reverence for the days of Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, so that when Terrell Owens showboated on the star, I felt that he had spit in the face of the team that I loved.We in Dallas call this, Good Ol' Day Syndrome. Randy Galloway suffers from it and so does Dale Hansen.

[Ashwynn]

Just have to realize this new generation has lowered the bar for standards by....oh half a mile or so. Its a new generation we are living in and they like show offs, gold, in your face, rap, guns and criminals more then honor and humility.

Its sad, but thems the facts of life. What we hold dear is trash to this new generation and what they hold dear is trash to us. But we can get along, just dont insult their poster child, el dorado.

[gbrittain]

I have always been a Cowboys fan.
I’ve come to realize that I had too much reverence for the days of Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, so that when Terrell Owens showboated on the star, I felt that he had spit in the face of the team that I loved. He had mocked the Dallas Cowboys stars I had in reality worshiped. That unhealthy reverence became twisted into a vicious hatred for him that followed wherever he went. Now that he is on the team, there is simply no joy any longer watching them. That’s what happens when you take the Dallas Cowboys too seriously.

The sad thing is, my wife and I had a big fight over whether or not the Cowboys would even be watched in our house. And that’s when I realized Terrell Owens is affecting more than just my favorite team. He was affecting my marriage, and I’m sure not going to let a grudge do that. A grudge is not more important than people, and I have offended many of you by saying you are not fans. One of these days I’m going to forgive him, but it’s going to take a while for me to actually mean it.

I sincerely apologize for the hurtful comments I made to people in here over the Cowboys and “real fans” I’m not going to make any more argument about it, and it’s doubtful that I’ll ever post again. I’m really embarrassed, and once again, I apologize to each and every one of you.

I need to post this now so that I can’t change my mind and slip back into a war over this topic.

If I can forgive TO, I can forgive you BRO.

I think what many are missing including you nathanlt is that this is a game! If the Cowboys won the next four Super Bowls, my life outside of football would not change one bit.

It is a game of entertainment and something to enjoy. Take it for what it is worth. Enjoy the things you like about the Cowboys and ignore the rest.

[royhitshard]

I have ripped on you some with the TO stuff.

But now I will just say this.

When a PLAYER, not a team, but a Player creates a rift between you and your wife.

You might need to go seek therapy. I am not saying that to be mean or as a joke. I am dead serious.

That situation is just not right.

It is one thing to argue with the wife because you want to watch the game but she wants to watch the life time movie channel or do something that takes you away from the game.

But to argue over ONE PLAYER.

Sorry but that is just insane behavior.

For your own health and your relationship with your wife, go get therapy or whatever you need to fix the situation.
:hammer:

[gbrittain]

Just have to realize this new generation has lowered the bar for standards by....oh half a mile or so. Its a new generation we are living in and they like show offs, gold, in your face, rap, guns and criminals more then honor and humility.

Its sad, but thems the facts of life. What we hold dear is trash to this new generation and what they hold dear is trash to us. But we can get along, just dont insult their poster child, el dorado.

No offense, but that has nothing to do with what is going on here.

[Alexander]

Just have to realize this new generation has lowered the bar for standards by....oh half a mile or so. Its a new generation we are living in and they like show offs, gold, in your face, rap, guns and criminals more then honor and humility.

Its sad, but thems the facts of life. What we hold dear is trash to this new generation and what they hold dear is trash to us. But we can get along, just dont insult their poster child, el dorado.

Oh look.

Another person who said he would quit posting.

The problem with both you and the terribly sensitive person that started this thread is that you have a very tough time separating the reality from the fantasy.

The tradition, the "star" all of those things, I can assure you that most professional football players (and yes, our beloved Dallas Cowboys) care less about that than the fans do.

Is that unfortunate? Yes.

It is unfortunate that the game has changed. It is also very unfortunate that it has changed right along with the society. This used to be a game that was played under a different set of rules. Money was not always a factor. But now, it is. And that needs to be understood.

And if one has a hard time understanding it, that's fine. But to hold today's athlete to the same set of standards once held is a fruitless waste of time. It is now a business, where before it was a sport. Grown men played games for half the year and then had to feed their family some other way in the offseason.

And as for Owens, I don't particular hold him in high esteem as a person. But again, this is a sport and I value this franchise. If the men that own it, coach it and actually sweat for it do not have an issue gambling on his talent, I won't judge. But to others who feel there is some sort of mythical standard that has to be adhered to is the ultimate form of hypocrite. The fact is, if you supported the Cowboys of the 1990s, you supported the same type of "thug" that you accuse Owens of being.

And if "honor" and "tradition" and "the star" is more important than winning, then be my guest, I hope 5-11 seasons are appealing to you because that is what you are going to receive.

[Jon88]

You didn't give up when Campo was here, so don't do it now. I have a feeling this is our year.

[superpunk]

Just have to realize this new generation has lowered the bar for standards by....oh half a mile or so. Its a new generation we are living in and they like show offs, gold, in your face, rap, guns and criminals more then honor and humility.

Its sad, but thems the facts of life. What we hold dear is trash to this new generation and what they hold dear is trash to us. But we can get along, just dont insult their poster child, el dorado.
:damn:

^^^^^That goes for the OP, too.

[DLCassidy]

Some of you might try practicing a bit of forgiveness. It's not often that someone shows enough courage and humility to admit they are wrong and apologize. The public lynching that appears to taking place in response reflects the exact opposite characteristics: it's both gutless and arrogant. Not sure what nathanlt has done to need forgiveness or to elicit this kind of response, but in this thread, at least, a number of you come off looking far worse by comparison.

How naive. Someone who claims to be a Cowboys fan is soliciting fellow fans to boycott their team and you expect a tame response? Please. Nate's been down this road before and he was well aware of the response he was going to get. He promised to stop posting until TO left but he hasn't so you'll forgive me if I find him less than credible. My strong impression is he's merely an attention seeking troll. As a result, I've put him on ignore. But I respect your right to buy his act if you so desire.

[Bob Sacamano]

How naive. Someone who claims to be a Cowboys fan is soliciting fellow fans to boycott their team and you expect a tame response? Please. Nate's been down this road before and he was well aware of the response he was going to get. He promised to stop posting until TO left but he hasn't so you'll forgive me if I find him less than credible. My strong impression is he's merely an attention seeking troll. As a result, I've put him on ignore. But I respect your right to buy his act if you so desire.

if Nathan is on ignore, how do you know he posted a forgiveness appeal? :D

[silver]

Some of you might try practicing a bit of forgiveness. It's not often that someone shows enough courage and humility to admit they are wrong and apologize. The public lynching that appears to taking place in response reflects the exact opposite characteristics: it's both gutless and arrogant. Not sure what nathanlt has done to need forgiveness or to elicit this kind of response, but in this thread, at least, a number of you come off looking far worse by comparison.
i agree. nathan, apology accepted.

[Chief]

You didn't give up when Campo was here, so don't do it now. I have a feeling this is our year.

That was a trying time for me, I have to admit.

I almost left the country and embraced soccer.

[gbrittain]

That was a trying time for me, I have to admit.

I almost left the country and embraced soccer.

Thats funny because I almost took up showing poodles at dog shows. I still do not know why I had the urge to do that.:p:

[DBoys]

Oh look.

Another person who said he would quit posting.

The problem with both you and the terribly sensitive person that started this thread is that you have a very tough time separating the reality from the fantasy.

The tradition, the "star" all of those things, I can assure you that most professional football players (and yes, our beloved Dallas Cowboys) care less about that than the fans do.

Is that unfortunate? Yes.

It is unfortunate that the game has changed. It is also very unfortunate that it has changed right along with the society. This used to be a game that was played under a different set of rules. Money was not always a factor. But now, it is. And that needs to be understood.

And if one has a hard time understanding it, that's fine. But to hold today's athlete to the same set of standards once held is a fruitless waste of time. It is now a business, where before it was a sport. Grown men played games for half the year and then had to feed their family some other way in the offseason.

And as for Owens, I don't particular hold him in high esteem as a person. But again, this is a sport and I value this franchise. If the men that own it, coach it and actually sweat for it do not have an issue gambling on his talent, I won't judge. But to others who feel there is some sort of mythical standard that has to be adhered to is the ultimate form of hypocrite. The fact is, if you supported the Cowboys of the 1990s, you supported the same type of "thug" that you accuse Owens of being.

And if "honor" and "tradition" and "the star" is more important than winning, then be my guest, I hope 5-11 seasons are appealing to you because that is what you are going to receive.

:hammer:

[Chief]

Thats funny because I almost took up showing poodles at dog shows. I still do not know why I had the urge to do that.:p:

:laugh2:

Funny, I had the urge to kick a poodle.

[gbrittain]

:laugh2:

Funny, I had the urge to kick a poodle.

:bow:

Much more appropiate feelings.:D

[superpunk]

if Nathan is on ignore, how do you know he posted a forgiveness appeal? :D

When people are on ignore, you can still read when others quote them. It's annoying.

[silver]

NOTE TO nathanlt...

To some Cowboy fans (certainly not all), I'm probably least welcomed on the Zone; and that's primarily because I'm an Eagles fan - completely understandable. You see, I've been posting here under austere conditions sometimes, for a few years now, but what hasn't killed me, has made me stronger. But here's the point ...

You can't let a handful of anybody dictate your course of action. If you are worth your weight in salt as a Cowboys fan or any kind of fan, you stand up for what you believe. Sure you're going to get slammed, but stand anyway!

You're not any of those labels some of your fandom called you simply because you have a strong passion toward something!

Keep these thoughts in your mind ...

Do it Anyway ...

People are illogical, unreasonable, and self-centered ...Love them anyway.

If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives ...Do good anyway.

If you are successful, you will win false friends and true enemies ...Succeed anyway.

The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow ...Do good anyway.
Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable ...be honest anyway.

The biggest men and women with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest men and women with the smallest minds ...Think big anyway.

People favor underdogs but follow only top dogs ...fight for a few underdogs anyway.

What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight ...Build anyway.

People really need help but may attack you if you help them ...help people anyway.

Give the world the best you have and you'll get kicked in the teeth ...give the world the best you have anyway.

Leave if you must ...but don't let anyone kick you out of anywhere because of your passion for something.


ok, get off your cross now. j/k. pt, you know we like you. most of us here own pets.;) your only flaw is you root for the eagles, and we don't. that's is. no other issue but that. we have learned to co-exist with you. but the rivalry and ensuing punches will always be there. hugs and kisses.

[BrAinPaiNt]

if Nathan is on ignore, how do you know he posted a forgiveness appeal? :D

Just in case you were serious...


He may not be able to see what nathan posts within one of nathans posts.

However if you have someone on ignore I do believe you will be able to see what they write when someone quotes them and the person that quotes them is not on your ignore list.

I could be wrong but I think I am right on that one.

So you could have nathan on ignore. Nathan makes a post. You can't see what nathan wrote.
Hos comes along and quotes nathans post. You can read what hos wrote and see nathans post where it was quoted.

[the kid 05]

Just have to realize this new generation has lowered the bar for standards by....oh half a mile or so. Its a new generation we are living in and they like show offs, gold, in your face, rap, guns and criminals more then honor and humility.

Its sad, but thems the facts of life. What we hold dear is trash to this new generation and what they hold dear is trash to us. But we can get along, just dont insult their poster child, el dorado.

hey, who says that the young new generation have lowered our standards for players? i PRAY that we are able to find more players like those of the past. and you just be came the biggest stereo-typer i have never met. Honor and being humble is key facts of being a man...or women. so againt f' you mister stereo-typer

[Chief]

The problem really isn't your reverence of the past. It isn't even that you take the Cowboys too seriously. The problem is that you are someone who apparently can truly hate another person you've not even met. How can that be healthy Nate? Hate takes a lot of energy. Hate isn't easy. You have to feed hatred. You fed it. That isn't good.


I guess I don't understand. How can you forgive him and not mean it? The rift with your wife is exactly what I meant by the what I said above. I'm assuming she is also a Cowboys fan. That could be wrong on my part. It really isn't important. But apparently what you have done is tell her what she can or can't do and how she has to feel about this. No different than any Dictator. Marriage isn't a dictatorship it's a partnership.

You'd actually allow hatred for someone else dictate your relationship with your wife? Over a touchdown celebration? Nate, remember when I told you this man owned you? That's exactly what I'm talking about right there.

You mentioned the names Staubach and Landry as those who TO offended. Be honest with me here. Do you think Roger Staubach hates TO? Do you think Tom Landry would refuse to forgive the man? Nate, I just don't see it. One of the foundations of the Christianity that they espoused is foregiveness.


Once again I'll say that I don't think the "I'll never post again" approach is the right avenue to take. That's still a reactionary method and that is what led you down the wrong path to start with. You've apologized. I assume you would prefer to be forgiven. TO apologized by saying he was going to do whatever he can to return us to winning. He promised Jerry he wouldn't let him down. I assume he would like to be forgiven.

You don't have to like the man. You don't even have to root for him to do well; although I confess I don't understand that. If he does well it means the team I love benefits. I do think he need to let it go. If for no other reason than you haven't been rational about the whole deal. There's a reason for that. Hate is never rational. There's no such thing as well thought out hatred.

Just food for thought.


Hos, you have some Dr. Phil in you.

I may need to have a session with you pretty soon.

[Chief]

hey who says that the young new generation have lowered our standards for players? i PRAY that we are able to find more players like those of the past. and you just be came the biggest stereo-typer i have never met. Honor and being humble is key facts of being a man...or women. so againt mister stereo-typer


:eek:

Uh-oh.

[WilmingtonHeel]

I'm going to take the high road here and accept his apology. That is just the way I am. I agree with alot of you about ONE player shouldn't be a reason to not root for your team it's bigger than that, I agree with this 100% but if we have a negative attitude toward the poster, we are no better than he the way he acted in the past.

[DBoys]

I have always been a Cowboys fan.
I’ve come to realize that I had too much reverence for the days of Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, so that when Terrell Owens showboated on the star, I felt that he had spit in the face of the team that I loved. He had mocked the Dallas Cowboys stars I had in reality worshiped. That unhealthy reverence became twisted into a vicious hatred for him that followed wherever he went. Now that he is on the team, there is simply no joy any longer watching them. That’s what happens when you take the Dallas Cowboys too seriously.

The sad thing is, my wife and I had a big fight over whether or not the Cowboys would even be watched in our house. And that’s when I realized Terrell Owens is affecting more than just my favorite team. He was affecting my marriage, and I’m sure not going to let a grudge do that. A grudge is not more important than people, and I have offended many of you by saying you are not fans. One of these days I’m going to forgive him, but it’s going to take a while for me to actually mean it.

I sincerely apologize for the hurtful comments I made to people in here over the Cowboys and “real fans” I’m not going to make any more argument about it, and it’s doubtful that I’ll ever post again. I’m really embarrassed, and once again, I apologize to each and every one of you.

I need to post this now so that I can’t change my mind and slip back into a war over this topic.

I am not one to quote passages on a board but I think it is fitting.

Matthew 6:14 "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 "But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions."

Matthew 18:23 -35
Mark 11:26

When you forgive TO you will be free from this.

[EGG]

Is it just me, or is everybody's "Ignore List" growing by leaps and bounds lately? :confused:

[speedkilz88]

So now can we argue about whether Abram Elam should be allowed on this team or not?:bang2:

[Bob Sacamano]

Just in case you were serious...


He may not be able to see what nathan posts within one of nathans posts.

However if you have someone on ignore I do believe you will be able to see what they write when someone quotes them and the person that quotes them is not on your ignore list.

I could be wrong but I think I am right on that one.

So you could have nathan on ignore. Nathan makes a post. You can't see what nathan wrote.
Hos comes along and quotes nathans post. You can read what hos wrote and see nathans post where it was quoted.

but if Nathan was on ignore, why would he bother to go into his thread? :p:

[Seven]

hey, who says that the young new generation have lowered our standards for players? i PRAY that we are able to find more players like those of the past. and you just be came the biggest stereo-typer i have never met. Honor and being humble is key facts of being a man...or women. so againt mister stereo-typer
:laugh1::laugh2::lmao:

This is absolutely hiarious.............Mr. Humble and Honor twice directed an f-bomb at another poster. Man, what a classic.
Go now, and do this............. :bang2:

[DLCassidy]

if Nathan is on ignore, how do you know he posted a forgiveness appeal? :D

Well the thread title was a bit of a tip off.:laugh2: But it was quoted by someone else. But I'll say what you're probably thinking: my bad for opening the thread in the first place.

[Bob Sacamano]

Well the thread title was a bit of a tip off.:laugh2: But it was quoted by someone else. But I'll say what you're probably thinking: my bad for opening the thread in the first place.

hehe, I'm just ribbin' 'ya :D

[DLCassidy]

hehe, I'm just ribbin' 'ya :D

It's ok, I like ribs...but I eat 'em with a knife and fork.:D

[zrinkill]

Is it just me, or is everybody's "Ignore List" growing by leaps and bounds lately? :confused:

Half of every thread is blank .......

[EGG]

I notice a little feeling of satisfaction and stress relief when I place morons on my Ignore List... I'd love to have this application here at work!

[Hostile]

Hos, you have some Dr. Phil in you.

I may need to have a session with you pretty soon.I can fix anything but a broken heart.

:grin:

[silverbear]

:laugh2:

Funny, I had the urge to kick a poodle.

Who was it that decided poodles are dogs, anyway??

[silverbear]

I can fix anything but a broken heart.

:grin:

Can you catch a fart, and paint it green??

[phillycard]

Damn Nathan. I don't think that theres any need to do that. You feel how you feel. No need to make apologies. People express their fandom differently, and not every fan of a team will see eye to eye with each other. But at the end of the day, you all want the same thing and that's for the Cowboys to win. Don't let a few dissenting opinions drive you from posting about your passion for the "Boys". That is bound to happen on an internet messageboard community.

[JVita17]

I have always been a Cowboys fan.
I’ve come to realize that I had too much reverence for the days of Roger Staubach and Tom Landry, so that when Terrell Owens showboated on the star, I felt that he had spit in the face of the team that I loved. He had mocked the Dallas Cowboys stars I had in reality worshiped. That unhealthy reverence became twisted into a vicious hatred for him that followed wherever he went. Now that he is on the team, there is simply no joy any longer watching them. That’s what happens when you take the Dallas Cowboys too seriously.

The sad thing is, my wife and I had a big fight over whether or not the Cowboys would even be watched in our house. And that’s when I realized Terrell Owens is affecting more than just my favorite team. He was affecting my marriage, and I’m sure not going to let a grudge do that. A grudge is not more important than people, and I have offended many of you by saying you are not fans. One of these days I’m going to forgive him, but it’s going to take a while for me to actually mean it.

I sincerely apologize for the hurtful comments I made to people in here over the Cowboys and “real fans” I’m not going to make any more argument about it, and it’s doubtful that I’ll ever post again. I’m really embarrassed, and once again, I apologize to each and every one of you.

I need to post this now so that I can’t change my mind and slip back into a war over this topic.


its called phycotherapy

i cant belive people, human being act like this, its rediculous

[Hostile]

Can you catch a fart, and paint it green??No, and I'm not sure I want lessons either.

[SkinsandTerps]

its called phycotherapy

i cant belive people, human being act like this, its rediculous


What ? Seriously, I have no idea what you are trying to communicate.