OMG Ed is at it again

[dargonking999]

Jeez doesnt he ever get enough


Question: What is the Mood of Parcells about TO

ed: I think BP is clearly Frustrated with TO

Reporter asked Jerry about TO playing at jags. And Jerry swelled up as if he was gonna take on the coach




MY GAWD IS HE REALLY THIS STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!



rawr

[REDVOLUTION]

Jeez doesnt he ever get enough


Question: What is the Mood of Parcells about TO

ed: I think BP is clearly Frustrated with TO

Reporter asked Jerry about TO playing at jags. And Jerry swelled up as if he was gonna take on the coach

MY GAWD IS REALLY THIS STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!
rawr


Yeah you really gotta love the use of the words "clearly" and "swelled" - can you say "Sensationalism"

[bobtheflob]

He must have just forgoten to finish the sentence. It should have been: "I think BP is clearly Frustrated with TO related questions from the media."

[Jay]

That's funny, I just had my first class of the day and I'm taking a journalism class. We discussed what reporters/writers should and shouldn't say, and to distinguish fact from mere speculation. Reporters shouldn't comment or write about speculation or observation, but report the facts.

I was sitting in class and I realized the media concerning TO is the exact opposite thing I was listening to in class. I wonder what schools these losers went to?

[Champsheart]

Jeez doesnt he ever get enough


Question: What is the Mood of Parcells about TO

ed: I think BP is clearly Frustrated with TO

Reporter asked Jerry about TO playing at jags. And Jerry swelled up as if he was gonna take on the coach




MY GAWD IS HE REALLY THIS STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!



rawr

Would you really expect anything else. He is doing what ESPN wants him to do. It is a witch hunt for ratings, period!

[RCowboyFan]

That's funny, I just had my first class of the day and I'm taking a journalism class. We discussed what reporters/writers should and shouldn't say, and to distinguish fact from mere speculation. Reporters shouldn't comment or write about speculation or observation, but report the facts.

I was sitting in class and I realized the media concerning TO is the exact opposite thing I was listening to in class. I wonder what schools these losers went to?

Well, 90% of the media, Sports or not, today, are more editorilzed and then merely reporting facts. It seems like reporting fact is a lost art. Thats why I never depend on any one source of news.

Many times you have to weed through reporters personal views, to solely get the facts.

[WoodysGirl]

That's funny, I just had my first class of the day and I'm taking a journalism class. We discussed what reporters/writers should and shouldn't say, and to distinguish fact from mere speculation. Reporters shouldn't comment or write about speculation or observation, but report the facts.

I was sitting in class and I realized the media concerning TO is the exact opposite thing I was listening to in class. I wonder what schools these losers went to?One thing you have to remember is that many reporters like Werder are getting paid to offer analyses and expert opinions...not necessarily to report facts.

Beat writers's jobs are on the line if they incorrectly report something. But columnists and analysts jobs are not. Because their role is to offer an opinion.

Have you gotten to Opinion Writing, yet? Because that's all that reporters like Werder are offering.

And if it's your major, wait til you get to take a class on Ethics.

[CrazyCowboy]

Funny stuff.....

[peplaw06]

Yeah you really gotta love the use of the words "clearly" and "swelled" - can you say "Sensationalism"
A wise (wo)man once taught me when someone uses the words "clearly" or "obviously" in a debate, that is a sign of weakness.

Those words are used to get the audience to accept the speaker's reasoning without questioning it. Then when you actually do question it, you find that their point is unsubstantiated.

Writers/speakers who have good evidence to back up their argument, don't use these words. They let the evidence speak for itself. Ed Werder has no evidence, and he doesn't want us questioning his assertions.

[Alexander]

Werder are getting to offer analyses and expert opinions...not necessarily to report facts.

Then he should be fired because he provides neither.

[SA_Gunslinger]

i used to think ed was actually in our corner, but these last few months have proved otherwise.

[DragonCowboy]

i used to think ed was actually in our corner, but these last few months have proved otherwise.

That's what I thought also.

[2much2soon]

A wise (wo)man once taught me when someone uses the words "clearly" or "obviously" in a debate, that is a sign of weakness.

Those words are used to get the audience to accept the speaker's reasoning without questioning it. Then when you actually do question it, you find that their point is unsubstantiated.



Add "honestly" to that list.

[Haley94]

Well, 90% of the media, Sports or not, today, are more editorilzed and then merely reporting facts. It seems like reporting fact is a lost art. Thats why I never depend on any one source of news.

Many times you have to weed through reporters personal views, to solely get the facts.

I couldn't agree more. It's hard to get the news without someone giving their opinion about the news. On top of that, some newsmen have the audacity to say they don't spin it.

[MC KAos]

i saw that interview on cold pizza, but to be completely honest with you, he seemed to have a hard time saying those things, like he knew he was lying and he didnt want to do it but his bosses were making him, idk just my opinion

[justbob]

One thing you have to remember is that many reporters like Werder are getting paid to offer analyses and expert opinions...not necessarily to report facts.

Beat writers's jobs are on the line if they incorrectly report something. But columnists and analysts jobs are not. Because their role is to offer an opinion.

Have you gotten to Opinion Writing, yet? Because that's all that reporters like Werder are offering.

And if it's your major, wait til you get to take a class on Ethics.

They still teach ethics --From the reports we get these days and I was sure that class had been canceled. :confused:

[LaTunaNostra]

I wonder what schools these losers went to?
The last stats I looked at had journalism majors (those fortunate enough to find jobs) making $17,000 per year entry level, compared to $48,000 for computer programmers (national ave).

As long as we (the public) devalue the profession, the more we are going to get our news served to us by folks who aren't equipped to do anything else.

I have a lot of respect for any bright kid who chooses journalism today...especially good writers like some of the recent DC.com interns. Unless they are both very talented and very lucky, they will be 'behind' monetarily every inch of their working lives. The few who do make it to national reporting or big city beats are indeed blessed.

But as long as the profession is so vastly underpaid, it will attract more than its share of 'losers'.

[WoodysGirl]

The last stats I looked at had journalism majors (those fortunate enough to find jobs) making $17,000 per year entry level, compared to $48,000 for computer programmers (national ave).

As long as we (the public) devalue the profession, the more we are going to get our news served to us by folks who aren't equipped to do anything else.

I have a lot of respect for any bright kid who chooses journalism today...especially good writers like some of the recent DC.com interns. Unless they are both very talented and very lucky, they will be 'behind' monetarily every inch of their working lives. The few who do make it to national reporting or big city beats are indeed blessed.

But as long as the profession is so vastly underpaid, it will attract more than its share of 'losers'.:hammer:

[tyke1doe]

The last stats I looked at had journalism majors (those fortunate enough to find jobs) making $17,000 per year entry level, compared to $48,000 for computer programmers (national ave).

As long as we (the public) devalue the profession, the more we are going to get our news served to us by folks who aren't equipped to do anything else.

I have a lot of respect for any bright kid who chooses journalism today...especially good writers like some of the recent DC.com interns. Unless they are both very talented and very lucky, they will be 'behind' monetarily every inch of their working lives. The few who do make it to national reporting or big city beats are indeed blessed.

But as long as the profession is so vastly underpaid, it will attract more than its share of 'losers'.

I hate to tell you this but reporters at top markets are paid very well.

Combine that with the fact that they have jobs most fans would love to have. There are certain fringe benefits for being an NFL beat reporter.

Secondly, the profession being "underpaid" has less to do with the quality of reporters or the public's "devaluation" of journalims and more to do with supply and demand. After Watergate, J schools were flooded with students who wanted to get into journalism. There are more journalism students than there are jobs. Conversely, there are less highly trained and competent computer programmers - for example - than there are jobs. That's one reason the salaries are higher.

Of course, the media is suffering these days not because of sensational journalism but rather competition from the growing information age.

Thirdly, you have to understand that newspapers aren't trade publications like DC.com.
They aren't going to focus on the nuts and bolts of an offensive or defensive scheme. They're going to focus on personalities because, despite what most on this forum believe, people tune into television or read the newspaper to see what's going on with the latest celebrity/personality.

That's fueling the coverage of TO because love him or hate him, he sells.

And the media knows he sells which is the reason you'll find on this forum constant threads about TO and constant threads complaining about the media.

Complain all you want to but just keep the media in the forefront of the discussion.

Bad news and disagreements about coverage is sometimes better than ignoring the media altogether, something most people here can't do despite their great disdain for the established media.

[peplaw06]

The last stats I looked at had journalism majors (those fortunate enough to find jobs) making $17,000 per year entry level, compared to $48,000 for computer programmers (national ave).

As long as we (the public) devalue the profession, the more we are going to get our news served to us by folks who aren't equipped to do anything else.

I have a lot of respect for any bright kid who chooses journalism today...especially good writers like some of the recent DC.com interns. Unless they are both very talented and very lucky, they will be 'behind' monetarily every inch of their working lives. The few who do make it to national reporting or big city beats are indeed blessed.

But as long as the profession is so vastly underpaid, it will attract more than its share of 'losers'.
Yep, I was a journalism major. Worked in television for one year after graduation. Made a little more than that average, and after a year I'd had enough.

One reason the profession is so underpaid is because there are so few jobs. When competition is that high for jobs, they can pay whatever they want. Someone's going to take the job, even if it's not the best or the brightest.

[LaTunaNostra]

I hate to tell you this but reporters at top markets are paid very well.

I am sure they are in 'top market'...but it's a profession where you must reach 'top market' to make decent money. Whereas a doctor or engineer can make a good living most anywhere. It's the relative few who can make a nice living (and that is six figures in today's economy) that makes the profession so dicey.

Combine that with the fact that they have jobs most fans would love to have. There are certain fringe benefits for being an NFL beat reporter.

Of course, again for those few who ARE NFL beat reporters.

I have great sympathy (and respect) for the dedicated, often idealistic young people we graduate in the field who feel compelled to change their profession after a few years because they simply can't survive on it, much less marry and raise a family. I have known many, many journalism majors with talent who gave up after a few years.

Secondly, the profession being "underpaid" has less to do with the quality of reporters and more to do with supply and demand. After Watergate, J schools were flooded with students who wanted to get into journalism.

There is always an ebb and flow based on supply and demand. We are thirty years post Watergate, and what I see in academia are far too many kids who were told by high school guidance counselors to go into journalism because 'they can't do math'. Sigh!

Of course, the media is suffering these days not because of sensational journalism but rather competition from the growing information age.

Agreed. A blog is like an ahole - everybody's got one.

Thirdly, you have to understand that newspapers aren't trade publications like DC.com.
They aren't going to focus on the nuts and bolts of an offensive or defensive scheme. They're going to focus on personalities because, despite what most on this forum believe, people tune into television or read the newspaper to see what's going on with the latest celebrity/personality.

Yes, Mr. Mosley made that quite clear to me a few summers back when he responded to my request for more 'meat' with a 'people don't want to read about stuff like jammin' in the paper." LOL

And certainly, it is true that we here at the Zone - the fanatics of fandom and lovers of all things football who will spit out multi post threads over swim moves are NOT typical of the casual fan who far outnumbers us (and keeps subscription rates competitive).

That's fueling the coverage of TO because love him or hate him, he sells.

Of course, it's about money above all else, and Mr. Newman or Mr. Rivera is simply not going to generate it like Mr Owens. But that doesn't mean we 'serious' fans don't have a legitimate gripe when we deplore the sheer exclusivity of the coverage.

And the media knows he sells which is the reason you'll find on this forum constant threads about TO and constant threads complaining about the media.

Complain all you want to but just keep the media in the forefront of the discussion.

Bad news and disagreements about coverage is sometimes better than ignoring the media altogether, something most people here can't do despite their great disdain for the established media.

True enough. Our culpability in the equation comes with continued participation in it. Yes, I will continue to b and moan over lack of substance, then once again renew my subscription to the dmn..for the Cowboys plus pictures :rolleyes: .

PS I'm far from a media basher in general. Sports and the writing that it generates is so trivial an affair that sounding off on it is fun, but for the 'real' role of news and public affairs reporting in a democracy - well, the value can't be overestimated....which is why I both respect young people who go into journalism and decry the typically low compensation.

[lspain1]

PS I'm far from a media basher in general. Sports and the writing that it generates is so trivial an affair that sounding off on it is fun, but for the 'real' role of news and public affairs reporting in a democracy - well, the value can't be overestimated....which is why I both respect young people who go into journalism and decry the typically low compensation.

I am a media basher these days and sports "reporting" is just the tip of the iceberg. The actual numbers of factual (not to even mention a subjective measure of "good") articles about the NFL we see these days number so low that 'vanishing' is giving high praise. In my opinion, the great majority of the reporters in football today ignore the details of the sport they are writing about and do not even try to support their assertions and opinions with facts. There are exceptions (see Gil Brandt on nfl.com) but todays media would rather report innuendo and controversy. If you prognosticate that level of reportage into the serious realm about public (foreign and domestic) policy, it is a frightening prospect.

I'll stop ranting now.

[LaTunaNostra]

I am a media basher these days and sports "reporting" is just the tip of the iceberg. The actual numbers of factual (not to even mention a subjective measure of "good") articles about the NFL we see these days number so low that 'vanishing' is giving high praise. In my opinion, the great majority of the reporters in football today ignore the details of the sport they are writing about and do not even try to support their assertions and opinions with facts. There are exceptions (see Gil Brandt on nfl.com) but todays media would rather report innuendo and controversy. If you prognosticate that level of reportage into the serious realm about public (foreign and domestic) policy, it is a frightening prospect.

I'll stop ranting now.

I hear ya, but the public taste for celebrity, sensationalism, sound bytes over substance, superficial analysis and general quick - fix, dumbed-down reporting can't be ignored either.

I really think if Edward R. Murrow came back today, we'd call him boring. In the end, a democracy not only gets the government it deserves, but the recording of it that it deserves.

We've become a tabloid nation, and I don't know if our vulgar tastes can be hung on the media.

But back to sportswriting..I fired off a congratulations to Tim Cowlishaw for his self-imposed 'moratorium' on TO. based on his 8/21 column. He had the decency to be abashed by Tuna's admonition that the players who were 'actually playing' merited covering, and the guy on the bike didn't deserve ALL the press. So he promised to leave off the TO mantra.

If by 8/26, Tim was back bashing TO (half of his column in praise of Terry was a Owens comparison), I can forgive if not overlook it. He couldn't hold out for even ONE TO-free column after his 'promise", but the thought DID count.

Maybe more of us should have congratulated him on his 'moratorium'.:D

[adbutcher]

I am a media basher these days and sports "reporting" is just the tip of the iceberg. The actual numbers of factual (not to even mention a subjective measure of "good") articles about the NFL we see these days number so low that 'vanishing' is giving high praise. In my opinion, the great majority of the reporters in football today ignore the details of the sport they are writing about and do not even try to support their assertions and opinions with facts. There are exceptions (see Gil Brandt on nfl.com) but todays media would rather report innuendo and controversy. If you prognosticate that level of reportage into the serious realm about public (foreign and domestic) policy, it is a frightening prospect.

I'll stop ranting now.
:hammer:

[adbutcher]

I hear ya, but the public taste for celebrity, sensationalism, sound bytes over substance, superficial analysis and general quick - fix, dumbed-down reporting can't be ignored either.

I really think if Edward R. Murrow came back today, we'd call him boring. In the end, a democracy not only gets the government it deserves, but the recording of it that it deserves.

We've become a tabloid nation, and I don't know if our vulgar tastes can be hung on the media.

But back to sportswriting..I fired off a congratulations to Tim Cowlishaw for his self-imposed 'moratorium' on TO. based on his 8/21 column. He had the decency to be abashed by Tuna's admonition that the players who were 'actually playing' merited covering, and the guy on the bike didn't deserve ALL the press. So he promised to leave off the TO mantra.

If by 8/26, Tim was back bashing TO (half of his column in praise of Terry was a Owens comparison), I can forgive if not overlook it. He couldn't hold out for even ONE TO-free column after his 'promise", but the thought DID count.

Maybe more of us should have congratulated him on his 'moratorium'.:D
Sadly, we are truly a microwave generation, truly fleeting. The only thing that really gets me is usually the “next” big story would have broken by now and they would have moved on. Yet the rain clouds are still here partially because the media is seeding them and partially because of the “player” is putting his share pollution in the air.

Fortunately, we have the master rainmaker in the Tuna and he won’t let it rain unless he wants it to even though the media or TO think they are in control of the forecasts.