Does anyone think Parcells was ever going to draft Jackson or Jones at #22?

[Chuck 54]

Clearly, the evidence says otherwise.

I think we had hoped to sell other teams on our desire for these two players, but I believe that nothing would have pleased Parcells more than to have seen both RB's selected before #22, leaving him a prize DE, DT, CB, or OT.

I don't believe he was planning all along to take a RB, nor do I think he was planning all along to trade down. I believe he was going to take an impact player at another position in round 1, then hope Julius Jones was there at #52 in round 2, or settle for another RB there.

For about an hour, it really looked great for us...no DE's taken, only 1 DT taken, and still Andrews and Carey on the board at OL. Then when Philly moved up and everyone supposed it was because they wanted Jackson, Parcells had to be filled with glee. But Philly was playing the same game we were...they weren't really interested in Jackson, but in an OL. Then every big time player on the board disappeared in about an hour and a half.

When NE took DT Wilfork, there was not 1 player of great value left at #22. We were screwed...no one was even looking to move up with us for a RB...sheesh, or at least we haven't heard of anyone. We were very fortunate to see Buffalo calling about the most immature QB of all time, Losman...they weren't going to let GB get him.

Let's see....we got Henson for a 3rd. Buffalo got JP Losman for a 1, 2, and 5...lol...who got the better deal?

If Parcells was in love with Jackson and saw him as the Great RB Dallas could ride for years to come, there's no way in hell he would have let him get away, not even for 2nd and 5th round choices.

Does anyone out there really think Parcells wanted Jackson? It's not about which RB was rated higher...it's not even about which RB ends up with the better career stats. It's about which runner Parcells liked the most at which slot in the draft...which RB he thought was the best value and fit for the Dallas Cowboys.

He preferred Julius Jones at #43 over Steven Jackson at #22...it's that simple, and he reaped additional rewards as a result....I love this draft.

[baj1dallas]

enough said..

[Bach]

Does anyone out there really think Parcells wanted Jackson? It's not about which RB was rated higher...it's not even about which RB ends up with the better career stats. It's about which runner Parcells liked the most at which slot in the draft...which RB he thought was the best value and fit for the Dallas Cowboys.

He preferred Julius Jones at #43 over Steven Jackson at #22...it's that simple, and he reaped additional rewards as a result....I love this draft.

Actually, BP preferred a possible high #1 pick from Buffalo next year & Julius Jones over Steven Jackson at #22.

[RatisBeast]

Actually, BP preferred a possible high #1 pick from Buffalo next year & Julius Jones over Steven Jackson at #22.
Yeah, I don't think BP wanted SJ in the first place.

[Bach]

Yeah, I don't think BP wanted SJ in the first place.

I don't think BP wanted SJ at #22. But I seriously doubt we had Julius Jones rated higher than SJ and KJ. If so, then something needs to be done with our scouting dept.

I think we saw value in that trade and preferred getting a future #1 and Julius instead of just getting SJ or KJ at #22.

[RatisBeast]

I don't think BP wanted SJ at #22. But I seriously doubt we had Julius Jones rated higher than SJ and KJ. If so, then something needs to be done with our scouting dept.

I think we saw value in that trade and preferred getting a future #1 and Julius instead of just getting SJ or KJ at #22.
Oh im sure of that, but according to JJ there were 6 backs that were capable of contributing. Obviously SJ and JJ we're in that list, not bad of a pick and should be an instant upgrade over tham.

[Lassiter]

What this draft clearly said was we're building for the future, not present. I prefer winning now, but I'm not a GM

[RatisBeast]

What this draft clearly said was we're building for the future, not present. I prefer winning now, but I'm not a GM
I'm sure BP and JJ would like to win now, but we're not good enough, so lets build for the future. We might have to sacrifice one year but if it pans out like we think, it should be well worth it.

[Tio]

Clearly, the evidence says otherwise.

I think we had hoped to sell other teams on our desire for these two players, but I believe that nothing would have pleased Parcells more than to have seen both RB's selected before #22, leaving him a prize DE, DT, CB, or OT.

I don't believe he was planning all along to take a RB, nor do I think he was planning all along to trade down. I believe he was going to take an impact player at another position in round 1, then hope Julius Jones was there at #52 in round 2, or settle for another RB there.

For about an hour, it really looked great for us...no DE's taken, only 1 DT taken, and still Andrews and Carey on the board at OL. Then when Philly moved up and everyone supposed it was because they wanted Jackson, Parcells had to be filled with glee. But Philly was playing the same game we were...they weren't really interested in Jackson, but in an OL. Then every big time player on the board disappeared in about an hour and a half.

When NE took DT Wilfork, there was not 1 player of great value left at #22. We were screwed...no one was even looking to move up with us for a RB...sheesh, or at least we haven't heard of anyone. We were very fortunate to see Buffalo calling about the most immature QB of all time, Losman...they weren't going to let GB get him.

Let's see....we got Henson for a 3rd. Buffalo got JP Losman for a 1, 2, and 5...lol...who got the better deal?

If Parcells was in love with Jackson and saw him as the Great RB Dallas could ride for years to come, there's no way in hell he would have let him get away, not even for 2nd and 5th round choices.

Does anyone out there really think Parcells wanted Jackson? It's not about which RB was rated higher...it's not even about which RB ends up with the better career stats. It's about which runner Parcells liked the most at which slot in the draft...which RB he thought was the best value and fit for the Dallas Cowboys.

He preferred Julius Jones at #43 over Steven Jackson at #22...it's that simple, and he reaped additional rewards as a result....I love this draft.I can feel bad or good about this ytrade. If i look at what we got and how bp is staying, im happy. If i look at what we're missing out on, I'm sad...

[Bach]

What this draft clearly said was we're building for the future, not present. I prefer winning now, but I'm not a GM

While I don't think Julius is better than Jackson or K Jones, I do think who we will get with Buffalo's #1 next year will be. You add that to Julius and I think it's clear we came out on the better end of the deal. But the hard part is having to wait a whole year to find out exactly what we are getting.

[jay cee]

Clearly, the evidence says otherwise.

Let's see....we got Henson for a 3rd. Buffalo got JP Losman for a 1, 2, and 5...lol...who got the better deal?





Now that sounds a winner in my book. And I am not sure Henson will ever amount to anything.

[CantonBound08]

Does anyone out there really think Parcells wanted Jackson? It's not about which RB was rated higher...it's not even about which RB ends up with the better career stats. It's about which runner Parcells liked the most at which slot in the draft...which RB he thought was the best value and fit for the Dallas Cowboys.

I agree with you. I don't think he really planned to take Steven Jackson or Kevin Jones. However, I sure did. When they announced the trade my heart stopped and my jaw dropped in disbelief. When I heard what they got for it though it was easy to see why they did it. I don't know much about Julius Jones, but the highlights they showed looked great, but that is why the call them "high" lights, not "low" lights. I think he will perform just fine.

[Bach]

I agree with you. I don't think he really planned to take Steven Jackson or Kevin Jones. However, I sure did. When they announced the trade my heart stopped and my jaw dropped in disbelief.

Yeah, I know many fans, including myself were thinking that the draft was perfectly falling into place and SJ was going to drop right into our laps.

The ironic thing is that just the opposite was happening. BP was really wanting Wilfork or Andrews and Philly traded up for Andrews and then Belichick nabs Wilfork one spot ahead of us. At the time many of us felt those were great moves to help us but in reality we were on the verge of getting screwed.

Hopefully the trade and our #1 next year will make up for it.

[RatisBeast]

I agree with you. I don't think he really planned to take Steven Jackson or Kevin Jones. However, I sure did. When they announced the trade my heart stopped and my jaw dropped in disbelief. When I heard what they got for it though it was easy to see why they did it. I don't know much about Julius Jones, but the highlights they showed looked great, but that is why the call them "high" lights, not "low" lights. I think he will perform just fine.
LOL at the high / low thing. He did look very good in the HIGHlights and my heart stopped too, but JJ's starting to grow on me the more i read about him. (no choice now) But i ain't complaining. :D

[CantonBound08]

LOL at the high / low thing. He did look very good in the HIGHlights and my heart stopped too, but JJ's starting to grow on me the more i read about him. (no choice now) But i ain't complaining. :D
He seemed to show unbelievable balance. From the clips they showed he came out of a spin with great burst and seemed to cut on a dime. You gotta love the speed factor, and he appears to be built like a fireplug.

I am actually more excited with our o-lineman we selected. Those two guys look just plain nasty. IMO if these guys pan-out our o-line will be set for a good while, especially if Gurode can rebound from last year.

[RatisBeast]

He seemed to show unbelievable balance. From the clips they showed he came out of a spin with great burst and seemed to cut on a dime. You gotta love the speed factor, and he appears to be built like a fireplug.

I am actually more excited with our o-lineman we selected. Those two guys look just plain nasty. IMO if these guys pan-out our o-line will be set for a good while, especially if Gurode can rebound from last year.

Me too thats what i love about the draft, we might actually have an O line in place and we all know what that can do for our "anemic" offense. Plus if they work out, next year we can draft the more "flashy" positions.

[kingwhicker]

I don't think he wanted to.

[Chuck 54]

I don't think BP wanted SJ at #22. But I seriously doubt we had Julius Jones rated higher than SJ and KJ. If so, then something needs to be done with our scouting dept.

I think we saw value in that trade and preferred getting a future #1 and Julius instead of just getting SJ or KJ at #22.

Which means we weren't that impressed with Jackson...no way we could have had him much higher...if you think you have your next Dorsett or Emmitt, you don't miss that pick for any number of future draft picks...that's my point, not that we had Jones rated higher, just that we were not targeting Jackson with #22...I'd love to know which players who weren't there we would have stayed put and drafted.

[Chuck 54]

Yeah, I know many fans, including myself were thinking that the draft was perfectly falling into place and SJ was going to drop right into our laps.

The ironic thing is that just the opposite was happening. BP was really wanting Wilfork or Andrews and Philly traded up for Andrews and then Belichick nabs Wilfork one spot ahead of us. At the time many of us felt those were great moves to help us but in reality we were on the verge of getting screwed.

Hopefully the trade and our #1 next year will make up for it.


My thoughts exactly...and again, how lucky were we that Buffalo was afraid of losing the QB to GB?

[BulletBob]

Guys, if the Bills had not made that trade, we would be sitting at 22 with no other option than to make a pick (assuming that we could not move down).

Something tells me that at 22, the only choice on their board would have been KJ or SJ (with Harris, Carey, Wilfork, and Andrews all gone). My guess is that with no trade available, Tuna would've picked KJ, and then looked to OL in R2. I'm not sure that there was a higher-rated player at that point on their board that would've been able to step in and make an impact.

The Bills deal sent our entire draft in a different direction. Time will tell whether it was the right one.