Willing to trade Carpenter?

[neosapien23]

Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

[Hiero]

I really do not think Watson is worth as much as Carpenter, he hasn't proven he cares enough about the game, although I do like his talent. I wouldnt mind if we could get lutui and watson. gilles and justice would be ok with me too, but honestly I just think we keep Carpenter, i don't see any scenario where a trade happens.

Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

[davidyee]

Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

... to speculate like this.

BUT... if a good young lineman is available I would take him anyday over a 3-4 linebacker. Lineman are so hard to find.

[Zaxor]

... to speculate like this.

BUT... if a good young lineman is available I would take him anyday over a 3-4 linebacker. Lineman are so hard to find.

Agreed

[neosapien23]

I really do not think Watson is worth as much as Carpenter, he hasn't proven he cares enough about the game, although I do like his talent. I wouldnt mind if we could get lutui and watson. gilles and justice would be ok with me too, but honestly I just think we keep Carpenter, i don't see any scenario where a trade happens.

Thats what I meant. Lutui and Watson or Lutui and a 3rd round pick (if BP wanted nothing to do with Watson).

I think Philly would be willing to trade Justice and Guilles for Carpenter. They really need a linebacker in the worst kind of way. Carpenter would be perfect for them and Justice and Guilles would be perfect for us. I think this is the most likely trade if one were to happen.

[junk]

Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

Talk about rush to judgement.

1. MJG is exactly what Parcells doesn't want in a guard.
2. Same for Lutui.
3. Colledge has been basically miserable up in GB.

Linemen talk time to develop. Throwing money at free agents and high round draft picks rarely helps until they have time to acclimate to the system.

I really doubt any OL added mid season would improve the team much.

[landryscorner]

All this talk about trading our round 1 pick depresses me about our draft.......

[InmanRoshi]

I didn't like the Carpenter pick from Day 1, but some of you are getting ridiculous with this overreaction to his being inactive.

[neosapien23]

Talk about rush to judgement.

1. MJG is exactly what Parcells doesn't want in a guard.
2. Same for Lutui.
3. Colledge has been basically miserable up in GB.

Linemen talk time to develop. Throwing money at free agents and high round draft picks rarely helps until they have time to acclimate to the system.

I really doubt any OL added mid season would improve the team much.

Your missing the point. Carpenter will not help this team this year. Why not get your lineman now and have them take over next year. Colombo and Rivera looked horrible. Parcells may not be the coach next year. If he has a mediocre season, he is done. Jerry Jones will not fire him because then he will never get a good coach, but BP will quit if this season is another 9-7 fiasco. Maybe I am the only one salivating thinking of Guilles and Justice starting starting next year. Carpenter for them seems like an even trade, the next coach might impliment a 4-3 so Carpenter may not be as needed.

[neosapien23]

I didn't like the Carpenter pick from Day 1, but some of you are getting ridiculous with this overreaction to his being inactive.

It has nothing to do with Carpenter. I think he will be a fine starter. I just don't think linebacker is a weakness, I see O lineman as the crutch to keeping this franchise mediocre. I think Carpenter will be a terror is 3 years, but Oline needs help now. The linebacker core has alot of good depth, the Oline has none.

[HTownCowboysFan]

There is no way to trade him -- the cap hit would be huge. It's a complete none issue.

[Tass]

If you're going to trade someone, trade the older whiney dork Ellis and let the kid play the position we drafted him for.

[Duane]

There is no way to trade him -- the cap hit would be huge. It's a complete none issue.
:fact:

[Hiero]

If you're going to trade someone, trade the older whiney dork Ellis and let the kid play the position we drafted him for.
I agree, but I think Ellis is gone after the year, but not this year. I think these trades are more like a madden world type thing, but hopefully next year we draft offense offense offense and a good beast of an NT.

[Wu-banger]

didnt like the pick form day 1...

the team could have used a player in the first round to make an immediate impact or at least helped on the field.

I wonder how manny 1st rounders were inactive in Week 1 not due to injury???

[superpunk]

Someone make it stop.

[dbair1967]

... Lineman are so hard to find.

no they arnt...you can take average guys all the time and make them into a dependable, productive unit if you have good coaches working with them...we did it with Tony Wise and Hudson Houck here...New England has had a good line without highly drafted players for years...San Diego has a good OL and has for the past couple of seasons

David

[neosapien23]

I agree, but I think Ellis is gone after the year, but not this year. I think these trades are more like a madden world type thing, but hopefully next year we draft offense offense offense and a good beast of an NT.

I didn't know the cap hit was that huge for a rookie. Oh well.. I agree with your assessment about going Offense, but I would like to see the draft go offensive lineman heavy.

1st round - Best tackle available
2nd round - best guard available
3rd round - best tackle avialable again
4th round - best NT available

[nathanlt]

It would make more sense to trade next year's number one for a quality offensive lineman, the trouble is, no one would trade an established force at Offensive line for a number one pick, they would end up starting all over again developing youth and taking a gamble to spend 2 years minimum establishing quality at that position. It's too much of a setback.

What we'd need to do is get a brilliant coaching mind like Hudson Houck back. There's no salary cap on coaches. Get the Steve Hoffman of offensive line coaches and give him a lifetime contract.

[BulletBob]

You guys are trading picks, trading active players, and coming up with 2007 draft strategies based on 1 regular season game?

I know that some of you guys are younger and not yet married - man, I'd love to hear about your dating strategies!

:popcorn:

[neosapien23]

You guys are trading picks, trading active players, and coming up with 2007 draft strategies based on 1 regular season game?

I know that some of you guys are younger and not yet married - man, I'd love to hear about your dating strategies!

:popcorn:

I don't know if you've been watching for the last 4 years, but the offensive line has sucked. It wasn't one bad game, it was 4 years of bad Oline play.

[zrinkill]

You guys are trading picks, trading active players, and coming up with 2007 draft strategies based on 1 regular season game?

I know that some of you guys are younger and not yet married - man, I'd love to hear about your dating strategies!

:popcorn:

:bow: :bow: :bow:

[dbair1967]

I don't know if you've been watching for the last 4 years, but the offensive line has sucked. It wasn't one bad game, it was 4 years of bad Oline play.

and who'd been the head coach for those 4 seasons now?

David

[BulletBob]

I don't know if you've been watching for the last 4 years, but the offensive line has sucked. It wasn't one bad game, it was 4 years of bad Oline play.

I've been watching alright. And no, I am not happy.

But the only person on the O-Line that's been here for the past 4 years is Flo.

We have 3/5 of the O-Line starting new players this season, and they only have 1 collective game under their belts.

I am also of the opinion that they really didn't play that awfully against a very stout defense.

[superpunk]

and who'd been the head coach for those 4 seasons now?

David

Dammit.....I know this one. Um.....a HOFer?

[Stautner]

Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

I think it's extremely optimistic to think we could get a 1st rounder for Carpenter - he wasn't a particularly high 1st rounder to begin with and now he is an NFL player who is looking at very little playing time.

As for trading for an O-lineman, there is no way to trade an unproven rookie LB for a proven O-lineman, or even an O-lineman that would have been worth taking as high as we took Carpenter.

I understand and agree that O-line is a need - the biggest need - but throwing away a high draft pick that hasn't had his chance to shine yet for whatever O-lineman we can get is not the answer.

[Hostile]

Dammit.....I know this one. Um.....a HOFer?Lucky guess.

[neosapien23]

I think it's extremely optimistic to think we could get a 1st rounder for Carpenter - he wasn't a particularly high 1st rounder to begin with and now he is an NFL player who is looking at very little playing time.

As for trading for an O-lineman, there is no way to trade an unproven rookie LB for a proven O-lineman, or even an O-lineman that would have been worth taking as high as we took Carpenter.

I understand and agree that O-line is a need - the biggest need - but throwing away a high draft pick that hasn't had his chance to shine yet for whatever O-lineman we can get is not the answer.

I was thinking more along the lines of trading an unproven linebacker with loads of talent for some unproven lineman with loads of talent (ex..Justice and Guilles). However someone already stated that the cap hit for Carpenter was too high, so it is a moot point. There can be no mulligan for this draft.


BTW raise your hand if you think Rivera is done and the Cowboys need to stick a fork in him.

[Stautner]

I was thinking more along the lines of trading an unproven linebacker with loads of talent for some unproven lineman with loads of talent (ex..Justice and Guilles). However someone already stated that the cap hit for Carpenter was too high, so it is a moot point. There can be no mulligan for this draft.

It's hard to say if that would be a good trade anyway - obviously Parcells thought Carpenter was the better choice over those guys on draft day.

I think it's way too early to say we need a mulligan on this draft anyway.

[BigDFan5]

Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

:rolleyes:

[CowboysFaninDC]

Would you guys be willing to trade Carpenter for a chance to upgrade this team at the Oline position? I'm sure some team would give Dallas a first round pick and Dallas has too much depth for him to start right now.

Scenario

1. Trade him straight up for Philly for Max Jean Guilles and Winston Justice. Both guys may not be able to contribute this year, but they could be starting at RT and RG next year.Phiily needs a Olber in the worst way, and while I don't like helping a division rival, they have what we need on the Oline.

2. Trade him to the Cardinasl for Deuce Lutui and and a 3rd round pick or Gabe Watson. Dallas needs a NT too.

3. To the Packers for Colledge and a 3rd rounder.

This may just be fantasy but are there any teams that could part with some good young Olineman and need help at linebacker?

first I don't think giles is that great. he is a great straight ahead blocker but his feet are soooo sloww... don't ever ask him to pull.

Justice...hmmmm..... I heard he was soft.....but I have to see him play a little before I decide.

now, why trade carpenter when you start to build a good LB group you don't go breaking it up.

I would rather trade Burnett. he fits a 4-3 defense a lot more than a 3-4.

I take college as our RT...but again I would trade Burnett over Carpenter.

[JonJon]

I think it's extremely optimistic to think we could get a 1st rounder for Carpenter - he wasn't a particularly high 1st rounder to begin with and now he is an NFL player who is looking at very little playing time.

As for trading for an O-lineman, there is no way to trade an unproven rookie LB for a proven O-lineman, or even an O-lineman that would have been worth taking as high as we took Carpenter.

I understand and agree that O-line is a need - the biggest need - but throwing away a high draft pick that hasn't had his chance to shine yet for whatever O-lineman we can get is not the answer.

But....But....Carpenter is rated like 87 or something in Madden. That HAS to count for something! All you gotta do is find another 85-88 rated O-line player, throw in a 7th rounder and we get 'em.

-OR-

We could trade Carpenter AND Keith Davis for Steve Hutchinson!

J/K

[Stautner]

But....But....Carpenter is rated like 87 or something in Madden. That HAS to count for something! All you gotta do is find another 85-88 rated O-line player, throw in a 7th rounder and we get 'em.

-OR-

We could trade Carpenter AND Keith Davis for Steve Hutchinson!

J/K

I vote for the Hutchinson deal .........

[Sam I Am]

Carpenter will be solid once he is in the starting lineup. Patience is a virtue. Without it, you become reckless.

[ConcordCowboy]

no they arnt...you can take average guys all the time and make them into a dependable, productive unit if you have good coaches working with them...we did it with Tony Wise and Hudson Houck here...New England has had a good line without highly drafted players for years...San Diego has a good OL and has for the past couple of seasons

David

Can you please explain this to Parcells.:D

[ConcordCowboy]

If you're going to trade someone, trade the older whiney dork Ellis and let the kid play the position we drafted him for.

Bingo!

[Avery]

If you are going to play GM in Madden, at least put the salary cap on.

Aikman was winless his first year. Can't believe we didn't trade him for a 4th rounder.

[Cochese]

Tom Jackson: ARE YOU RETARDED?

[sf49rh8r]

It has nothing to do with Carpenter. I think he will be a fine starter. I just don't think linebacker is a weakness, I see O lineman as the crutch to keeping this franchise mediocre. I think Carpenter will be a terror is 3 years, but Oline needs help now. The linebacker core has alot of good depth, the Oline has none.


Have to admit...it makes sense...

[Avery]

Great Snap Judgements in Modern History

Good evening, viewers. This week on Great Snap Judgements in Modern History, we'll look at two distinct moments that changed the history of the American landscape - forever.

Dewey Beats Truman!

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Actually, not quite Mr. Newspaper Reporter Man! President Harry Truman defeats the favored Republican Thomas Dewey and this remarkable photograph shows the pitfalls of rushing to judgement. Low voter turnout is pinpointed as the reason for the confusion.

U.S nukes Cuba, Russia responds with nuclear weapons, we're all dead as ****

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On October 16, 1962, President John F. Kennedy receives reconnaissance photos showing Russia building and housing nuclear missile installations in Cuba that could potentially hit the United States. In response, Kennedy orders an immediate strike against Cuba to dismantle such missiles from potentially harming the U.S. The bombings kill thousands of Russian scientists, Cuban citizens and Fidel Castro himself.

In response, Russia immediately declares war with the United States and fires its operational missiles that were not damaged from the U.S. strike and litters the eastern seaboard and all major U.S. cities with nuclear weapons. Millions upon millions of citizens die from the iniitial blasts with scores later dying from radiation, starvation, lack of oxygen in the post-nuclear air, etc. Other countries, fearing for their livelihood, arm themselves and immediately begin protecting their own interests by attacking their respecitve enemies and establishing themselves in the ultimate 'survival of the fittest'.

The planet's ecosystem is thrown into chaos as nuclear fallout from other countries using their nuclear weapons (ex. United Kingdom) to establish their existence. The sun is blocked out as a nuclear winter envelops the world effectively killing all plant life and establishing biting cold due to the presence of so many nuclear explosions.

What happened after that is largely unknown, but as I speak to you, my information superhighway viewers, from my cave in southern Utah littered amongst old soup cans, a barren landscape devoid of life and a dedicated T1 line from a computer that was somehow invented forty years before it's time, I can tell you that I highly doubt that the Soviets would ever have beat us in basketball and us beating them in hockey. Would never have happened in a thousand lifetimes.