BP says that Sean Taylor cost the skins the game... maybe... LOL

[REDVOLUTION]

that was pretty funny....

:laugh2:

[1fisher]

that was pretty funny....

:laugh2:


BP said he was watching as a fan.....:laugh2:

I'll bet he's glad ST is NOT on his team!;)

[apickmans]

a lot of things cost us the game. inability to score in the redzone, Def. could not stop them on 3rd down, bad play from our corners, and no clutch play by John Hall. Sean taylor def. didnt help with that face mask penatly(first personal foul was BS).

[AdamJT13]

Sean taylor def. didnt help with that face mask penatly(first personal foul was BS).

Helmet-to-helmet contact on a defenseless receiver always gets called.

[REDVOLUTION]

a lot of things cost us the game. inability to score in the redzone, Def. could not stop them on 3rd down, bad play from our corners, and no clutch play by John Hall. Sean taylor def. didnt help with that face mask penatly(first personal foul was BS).

Nah.... not really... its the bonehead plays that occur when the result of the game is hanging in the balance.... everything before has already happened and cannot be changed.... your future actions are in your control...

[riggo]

Helmet-to-helmet contact on a defenseless receiver always gets called.

could be wrong- i was pretty hyped/drunk- but i didnt think it was a question of helmet to helmet contact.

[apickmans]

Helmet-to-helmet contact on a defenseless receiver always gets called.

except it wasnt helmet to helmet on a defenseless receiver. Taylor lowered and used his shoulder.

[Yakuza Rich]

could be wrong- i was pretty hyped/drunk- but i didnt think it was a question of helmet to helmet contact.

He hit him with his shoulder. However, you're not supposed to hit a WR when he's up in the air and IIRC, that's what Taylor did. Then again, I can never interpret that rule correctly since the refs seem to change their mind every two secondS on what is a "launch" and what is not a "launch."

Even still, that wasn't really anything different from what Roy usually does (hitting with his shoulder) and Redskins fans go ape over it every time. But when Taylor does it, it's b.s.


YAKUZA

[apickmans]

Nah.... not really... its the bonehead plays that occur when the result of the game is hanging in the balance.... everything before has already happened and cannot be changed.... your future actions are in your control...

okay then i blame john hall for us losing the game since sean taylors penalties happened before it and could not be changed.

[AdamJT13]

except it wasnt helmet to helmet on a defenseless receiver. Taylor lowered and used his shoulder.

The top of Taylor's helmet hit Robinson's facemask/side of helmet. That's clear as day on the replay from the front.

[CowboysFaninDC]

I blame the Iraq war on parcells. we all know rumsfeld and bush are big redskins fans and after the tough loss they had three years ago and the bad penalty calls, they just had to get the anger out of their system.

I mean if you are reaching to blame BP for something, then lets just go all the way

[apickmans]

He hit him with his shoulder. However, you're not supposed to hit a WR when he's up in the air and IIRC, that's what Taylor did. Then again, I can never interpret that rule correctly since the refs seem to change their mind every two secondS on what is a "launch" and what is not a "launch."

Even still, that wasn't really anything different from what Roy usually does (hitting with his shoulder) and Redskins fans go ape over it every time. But when Taylor does it, it's b.s.


YAKUZA

Rich, didnt the ball hit the receiver in the hand or his finger tips? If so Taylor has the right to try to dislodge the receiver from the ball right? Ive seen the replay a couple times and thats what i can remember.

Your right Roy does do it as much as Taylor does, except Roy never gets flagged for it (of course except this past sunday) and thats why its BS.

[apickmans]

The top of Taylor's helmet hit Robinson's facemask/side of helmet. That's clear as day on the replay from the front.

heh i guess we're just gonna have to disagree. :rolleyes:

[riggo]

The top of Taylor's helmet hit Robinson's facemask/side of helmet. That's clear as day on the replay from the front.

ive been looking for a video- do you have a link?

i thought the call was the old defenseless receiver thingy. i also thought the ball was tipped and still in play, in which case taylor can hit him, so long as its not helmet to helmet/spearing. but, again, i could be wrong. i cant keep up with the latest rules and interpretations.

[5Stars]

The top of Taylor's helmet hit Robinson's facemask/side of helmet. That's clear as day on the replay from the front.

I just got off of Tivo, and you are exactely right! Thugs helmet hit the right side of Robinson's helmet...

This is just another excuse for the dirty play of a dirty player, period. And, if you notice, the Thug did not really dispute the call, or argue anything about it...because he knew what he did.

[Dash28]

Stop complaining about that to us, we see our fair share of questionable calls on Roy.

[riggo]

Your right Roy does do it as much as Taylor does, except Roy never gets flagged for it (of course except this past sunday) and thats why its BS.

i think roy was called for spearing or leading with the helmet or whatever that is. he put his head down and arms up and hit him in the chest.

[apickmans]

I just got off of Tivo, and you are exactely right! Thugs helmet the right side of Robinson's helmet...

This is just another excuse for the dirty play of a dirty player, period. And, if you notice, the Thug did not really dispute the call, or argue anything about it...because he knew what he did.

hey 5stars i think you forgot your dog again.

[riggo]

I just got off of Tivo, and you are exactely right! Thugs helmet the right side of Robinson's helmet...

This is just another excuse for the dirty play of a dirty player, period. And, if you notice, the Thug did not really dispute the call, or argue anything about it...because he knew what he did.

if thats the case, then i have no problem with the call.

[apickmans]

i think roy was called for spearing or leading with the helmet or whatever that is. he put his head down and arms up and hit him in the chest.

yeah against Jax, i mentioned that.

[Dash28]

Roy got fined for annilihating Coles and that was a clean hit. Also flagged for hitting Leftwich TOO hard.

[5Stars]

if thats the case, then i have no problem with the call.

He may not have intentionally tried to do that, but, it's clear that it happened. But, those sort of mistakes can happen during real time, playing as fast as they play. What he should have done, was just extend his hands and try for the ball, or shove the guy out of bounds...but, he went for the big hit, and his helmet just so happend to smack into the side of Robinson's helmet...

[5Stars]

Roy got fined for annilihating Coles and that was a clean hit. Also flagged for hitting Leftwich TOO hard.

Roy speared Leftwich...that was the right call! He cannot lead with the crown of his helmet...

[juck]

sean taylor is like a young roy in that all he does is go for the big hit.it was helmet to helmet ,but i think ,isnt that why they wear the helmet in the first place?lol.wussy game now,rugby can hit however they want,no pads.

[AdamJT13]

heh i guess we're just gonna have to disagree.

Disagree all you want. But that doesn't change the fact that Taylor's helmet hit Robinson's helmet.

[Hostile]

except it wasnt helmet to helmet on a defenseless receiver. Taylor lowered and used his shoulder.After the ball went by though correct?

[apickmans]

After the ball went by though correct?

how was taylor supposed to know the ball was gonna go through his hands? He has to assume hes gonna make the catch, thus he hit him hard to dislodge the ball.

[AdamJT13]

ive been looking for a video- do you have a link?

No. I have it on TiVo. If I see a link, though, I'll post it.


i thought the call was the old defenseless receiver thingy. i also thought the ball was tipped and still in play, in which case taylor can hit him, so long as its not helmet to helmet/spearing. but, again, i could be wrong. i cant keep up with the latest rules and interpretations.

If Taylor had hit him lower and without using his helmet, it would have been a legal hit. It wasn't a late hit. He was flagged for using his helmet.

[riggo]

After the ball went by though correct?

if it wasnt helmet to helmet (which it apparently was- i havent seen a replay since the game), and the ball was tipped and still 'in play', i think taylor can hit him (as long is its not spearing or helmet to helmet). am i right on that?

[apickmans]

if it wasnt helmet to helmet (which it apparently was- i havent seen a replay since the game), and the ball was tipped and still 'in play', i think taylor can hit him (as long is its not spearing or helmet to helmet). am i right on that?


right on that

[riggo]

No. I have it on TiVo. If I see a link, though, I'll post it.

thanks.




If Taylor had hit him lower and without using his helmet, it would have been a legal hit. It wasn't a late hit. He was flagged for using his helmet.

i thought they called a 'hit on a defenseless receiver'? i didnt realize they called spearing or helmet to helmet? not that it matters- if it was helmet to helmet and they just called the defenseless WR thingy, i think its still a 15 yarder.

[5Stars]

thus he hit him hard to dislodge the ball.

And the force of his "hit to dislodge the ball" also caused his helmet to hit the receivers helmet! What part of that do you not understand?

Are you old enough to drink? Were you drunk? Shesssh !!!

[riggo]

right on that

at least they havent made a rule against that.;)

yet.

[Yeagermeister]

Roy got fined for annilihating Coles and that was a clean hit. Also flagged for hitting Leftwich TOO hard.

Given RW's rep he'll probably be fined for the hit on Leftwich

[Yakuza Rich]

Rich, didnt the ball hit the receiver in the hand or his finger tips? If so Taylor has the right to try to dislodge the receiver from the ball right? Ive seen the replay a couple times and thats what i can remember.

Your right Roy does do it as much as Taylor does, except Roy never gets flagged for it (of course except this past sunday) and thats why its BS.

Roy didn't get flagged, but wound up getting fined for a similar hit to Lav Coles in '04. Roy did spear Leftwich, but even I had a couple of Jags fans that thought that shouldn't have been flagged (I disagree with them).

I remember in '02 Seattle's Darren Jackson caught a pass by jumping in the air and Darren Woodson absolutely obliterated him. In fact, Jackson had to go to the emergency room as he had a seizure in the shower after the game.

Woodson hit Jackson cleanly with the shoulder...no helmet whatsoever and was fined for it. The league said it was a "launch" in that you can't drill a defenseless WR when he's up in the air. Woodson supposedly had to wait for Jackson to land on the ground and then drill him.

So yeah, Taylor has the right to break up the pass, but the league has in the past flagged and/or fined guys for drilling WR's when they have the ball in the air.

I don't like the rule and I've seen several players get away with it (Rodney Harrison is the Babe Ruth of getting away with it), but I can see why Taylor was flagged on that play.

I'll have to watch the replay of hit again to see if Taylor's helmet touched Robinson. If it did, I still can't believe it had much force behind it.


YAKUZA

[Yakuza Rich]

i thought they called a 'hit on a defenseless receiver'? i didnt realize they called spearing or helmet to helmet? not that it matters- if it was helmet to helmet and they just called the defenseless WR thingy, i think its still a 15 yarder.

They just said "unnecessary roughness" which can be interpreted in a million different ways.


YAKUZA

[apickmans]

Ok i just watched a clip of it on my friends computer. The ref says and i quote " personal foul..unnecessary roughness..defense #21.....lowering his head to the chest of defenseless receiver." so the call is wrong and therefor BS

[Avery]

It was a good call, the ref did a poor job of actually explaining it.

Whatever the case may be, it's getting harder and harder for defenders to play the game anymore nowadays.

[Hostile]

how was taylor supposed to know the ball was gonna go through his hands? He has to assume hes gonna make the catch, thus he hit him hard to dislodge the ball.They call it keeping your head up until the catch is made.

Not a new concept, but one apparently foreign to you.

If Robinson catches that ball, probably no flag. Personally, I like that kind of hitting, but let's at least be honest about why there was a flag huh? Can you do that?

[apickmans]

They call it keeping your head up until the catch is made.

Not a new concept, but one apparently foreign to you.

If Robinson catches that ball, probably no flag. Personally, I like that kind of hitting, but let's at least be honest about why there was a flag huh? Can you do that?

Haha. Hey guy, Robinson actually has the ball on his fingertips when taylor goes for the hit. So you want Taylor to let the receiver catch the ball and possibly get a big gain for a first down. Personally I would rather they not get a first down on a big pass. Not a new concept, but maybe one foreign to you. According to the Ref, Taylor hit a defenseless player in the chest, but since he wasnt defenseless.....it was a bad call. Easy right? All i said in the beginning was that the ref made a bad call.

[AdamJT13]

Ok i just watched a clip of it on my friends computer. The ref says and i quote " personal foul..unnecessary roughness..defense #21.....lowering his head to the chest of defenseless receiver." so the call is wrong and therefor BS

How is that wrong? You CANNOT use your helmet to hit a defenseless receiver. And Taylor did just that.

[Dallas]

They call it keeping your head up until the catch is made.

Not a new concept, but one apparently foreign to you.

If Robinson catches that ball, probably no flag. Personally, I like that kind of hitting, but let's at least be honest about why there was a flag huh? Can you do that?

You honestly stopped to try and argue w/ this cat? :D


You got some splainin to do !!! ;)


D

[DMX690]

Haha. Hey guy, Robinson actually has the ball on his fingertips when taylor goes for the hit. So you want Taylor to let the receiver catch the ball and possibly get a big gain for a first down. Personally I would rather they not get a first down on a big pass. Not a new concept, but maybe one foreign to you. According to the Ref, Taylor hit a defenseless player in the chest, but since he wasnt defenseless.....it was a bad call. Easy right? All i said in the beginning was that the ref made a bad call.

Hey, that's the same thing will the horse collar rule. It is what it is. You either adjust or you get flagged. Is is fair, probly not.

[5Stars]

How is that wrong? You CANNOT use your helmet to hit a defenseless receiver. And Taylor did just that.

Sean "the thug" Taylor can't do no wrong!

Amazing...simply amazing....

[apickmans]

How is that wrong? You CANNOT use your helmet to hit a defenseless receiver. And Taylor did just that.

But wait Adam I thought you said "Helmet-to-helmet contact on a defenseless receiver always gets called." So now youre changing what you said? Make up your mind. ps he wasnt defenseless.

[MossBurner]

Helmet-to-helmet contact on a defenseless receiver always gets called.

It was shoulder to sternum; not helmet to helmet. BS call.

[sbuscha]

It was shoulder to sternum; not helmet to helmet. BS call.

You can not lead with the crown of your helmet....good call..

[1fisher]

Sean "the thug" Taylor can't do no wrong!

Amazing...simply amazing....

what makes Roy the better player is the fact that he went to Lefty and patted him on the helmet..... Thug brotha just walked away!


Sportsmanship which Taylor knows NOTHING about!

[AdamJT13]

It was shoulder to sternum; not helmet to helmet. BS call.

Taylor stuck his helmet in Robinson's chest, and the top of his helmet hit the lower side of Robinson's helmet. That's a penalty in more ways than one.

[5Stars]

It was shoulder to sternum; not helmet to helmet. BS call.

So, the ref cost you the game? Is that going to be next?

Pathetic....sheep...

[skinsngibbs4life]

So, the ref cost you the game? Is that going to be next?

Pathetic....sheep...

, even a skins fan on here said that he didnt loose, and we lost the game for ourselves.

do you really have to put words in our mouths and spin around everything that we say? why dont you just try and take something for what it is worth for once...

[5Stars]

what makes Roy the better player is the fact that he went to Lefty and patted him on the helmet..... Thug brotha just walked away!


Sportsmanship which Taylor knows NOTHING about!

True...Roy knew he did wrong, and went to apologize to Lefty, and you could see that Lefty appreciated the gesture, as he kind of just waved it off to Roy...that is class!

Sean "I loves me some ATVs" Taylor just walked away and did not even dispute the fact the he cause a penalty...no big deal to him! And, the RedStinks lost...

It was the refs fault...again....as usual...everytime...and I bet the tape of the play is already in the mail to the NFL!

[apickmans]

, even a skins fan on here said that he didnt loose, and we lost the game for ourselves.

do you really have to put words in our mouths and spin around everything that we say? why dont you just try and take something for what it is worth for once...

ha. I thnk 5stars leads a double life and is a DJ at night.

[Chuck 54]

Funny that we want to jump on Shaun Taylor for his penalty, which was a close call and cost them the game, but no one's mentioning Roy's stupid penalty on Leftwich which also kept a scoring drive alive in our loss.

Maybe these two guys are more alike than we think.

[skinsngibbs4life]

And, the RedStinks lost...

!

and we all know what that "gesture" sure helped the cowboys win:rolleyes:

[AdamJT13]

But wait Adam I thought you said "Helmet-to-helmet contact on a defenseless receiver always gets called." So now youre changing what you said?

It's all part of the same rule, using the helmet against a defenseless player. You can't hit a defenseless receiver with your helmet in the chest (which Taylor did) or in the helmet (which Taylor did).

ps he wasnt defenseless.

Yes, he was. Read the rulebook. A receiver is considered defenseless when he is catching a pass or attempting to catch a pass.

[apickmans]

True...Roy knew he did wrong, and went to apologize to Lefty, and you could see that Lefty appreciated the gesture, as he kind of just waved it off to Roy...that is class!

Sean "I loves me some ATVs" Taylor just walked away and did not even dispute the fact the he cause a penalty...no big deal to him! And, the RedStinks lost...

It was the refs fault...again....as usual...everytime...and I bet the tape of the play is already in the mail to the NFL!

Or maybe Taylor was trying to figure out what the call was since it was so bad, and receiver went back to the huddle. Dont mind that it was the 4th quarter so dont blame taylor for gettin back to the huddle to know what the next play is.

[5Stars]

, even a skins fan on here said that he didnt loose, and we lost the game for ourselves.

do you really have to put words in our mouths and spin around everything that we say? why dont you just try and take something for what it is worth for once...

What? Who didn't "loose"? And, don't call me !

And, who's "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket?

The "spin" is coming from you sheep that say Sean "gun toting" Taylor did no wrong! Spin that..."loose" boy...

[5Stars]

Funny that we want to jump on Shaun Taylor for his penalty, which was a close call and cost them the game, but no one's mentioning Roy's stupid penalty on Leftwich which also kept a scoring drive alive in our loss.

Maybe these two guys are more alike than we think.

Well, if you would have read ALL the thread before commenting, we did mention Roy's penalty! Keep up!

And it's not Shaun!! It' Sean "i gots me some bullets" Taylor! Not Shaun...

[apickmans]

It's all part of the same rule, using the helmet against a defenseless player. You can't hit a defenseless receiver with your helmet in the chest (which Taylor did) or in the helmet (which Taylor did).



Yes, he was. Read the rulebook. A receiver is considered defenseless when he is catching a pass or attempting to catch a pass.

so when is a receiver not defenseless? just wondering. Last time ill say it i guess, just for kicks. Taylor lowered his shoulder into Robinson's shoulder. I'm sure a part of taylors helmet connected with robinson's helmet because of the impact. The receiver had the ball in his fingertips and taylor hit him (taylor didnt even launch...just ran into him), which for me is not defenseless but i guess the league thinks differently.

[5Stars]

and we all know what that "gesture" sure helped the cowboys win:rolleyes:

No, the Cowboys lost that game fair and square! You don't see any Cowboy fans calling his hit BS, do you?

What Roy did showed class! Something that Sean "where my ATVs at" Taylor does not have!

[skinsngibbs4life]

What? Who didn't "loose"? And, don't call me !

And, who's "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket?

The "spin" is coming from you sheep that say Sean "gun toting" Taylor did no wrong! Spin that..."loose" boy...

wow one of the two skins fans in this thread think it wasnt the bad hit. What did riggo say? that it WAS dirty?

but its ok, if it makes your point seem better that "all skins fans" think that way, then go ahead and keep misleading the truth.

[AdamJT13]

Funny that we want to jump on Shaun Taylor for his penalty, which was a close call and cost them the game, but no one's mentioning Roy's stupid penalty on Leftwich which also kept a scoring drive alive in our loss.

Maybe these two guys are more alike than we think.

Roy's penalty (which was far more questionable than Taylor's) had little or no effect on the game. The Jags already were in field-goal position, and they ended up kicking a field goal. And it was early in the second quarter.

Taylor's had two personal fouls in a span of 13 plays, in the fourth quarter of a tied game. His second one put the Vikings into field-goal position, and they kicked the game-winner five plays later.

[skinsngibbs4life]

No, the Cowboys lost that game fair and square! You don't see any Cowboy fans calling his hit BS, do you?

What Roy did showed class! Something that Sean "where my ATVs at" Taylor does not have!

oh yeah, i havent seen one thread on here complaining about the no call against henry, and the call on witten :rolleyes:

[apickmans]

No, the Cowboys lost that game fair and square! You don't see any Cowboy fans calling his hit BS, do you?

What Roy did showed class! Something that Sean "where my ATVs at" Taylor does not have!

Cowboy fans didnt call it BS because it was an easy call, and because it wasnt in the 4th quarter

[5Stars]

Or maybe Taylor was trying to figure out what the call was since it was so bad, and receiver went back to the huddle. Dont mind that it was the 4th quarter so dont blame taylor for gettin back to the huddle to know what the next play is.

Yeah, that's the ticket! Talk about "spinning"!! El Thugo knew what he did, and walked away...like a punk would.

[REDVOLUTION]

okay then i blame john hall for us losing the game since sean taylors penalties happened before it and could not be changed.


Nah, AGAIN!!! LMAO

That was a low percentage FG attempt on Hall's part... he NEVER makes those.... see "Sean Taylor cost them the game"

:lmao2:

[apickmans]

Yeah, that's the ticket! Talk about "spinning"!! El Thugo knew what he did, and walked away...like a punk would.

DJ 5stars hitting up your nearest message board mon-sunday!! Watch him Spin the newest threads and heat up the hottest debates!!!

[DMX690]

Roy's penalty (which was far more questionable than Taylor's) had little or no effect on the game. The Jags already were in field-goal position, and they ended up kicking a field goal. And it was early in the second quarter.

Taylor's had two personal fouls in a span of 13 plays, in the fourth quarter of a tied game. His second one put the Vikings into field-goal position, and they kicked the game-winner five plays later.


I diagree on the Roy's penalty. The Jags were not at Field-goal position. I believe they were on Dallas 47 yard line. Roy's penalty was not a smart play buy your defence leader. That was just stupid by Roy part.

[REDVOLUTION]

i think roy was called for spearing or leading with the helmet or whatever that is. he put his head down and arms up and hit him in the chest.

Now.. Now... this thread is NOT about Roy!

:lmao2: :lmao: :laugh2:
Stick with the thread subject matter please!

[5Stars]

wow one of the two skins fans in this thread think it wasnt the bad hit. What did riggo say? that it WAS dirty?

but its ok, if it makes your point seem better that "all skins fans" think that way, then go ahead and keep misleading the truth.

The truth is...it was a freaking penalty! Understand? That is the truth!

[apickmans]

Nah, AGAIN!!! LMAO

That was a low percentage FG attempt on Hall's part... he NEVER makes those.... see "Sean Taylor cost them the game"

:lmao2:

I wasnt serious with that comment. i still stand by my first orginal statement Mick. The team lost this game, it wasnt one person.

[5Stars]

oh yeah, i havent seen one thread on here complaining about the no call against henry, and the call on witten :rolleyes:

And, this has what to do about Thugs penalty? Don't try and change the subject...that is a tactic that someone trys when they are wrong about the initial subject!

Please keep up, or go back to ES where everyone is in "Happy Land"...

[AdamJT13]

so when is a receiver not defenseless? just wondering.

Before he begins trying to make the catch, he's not defenseless. But that's illegal contact or pass interference, when applicable. After he makes the catch and establishes possession (such as when he begins running with the ball), he's no longer defenseless.


Last time ill say it i guess, just for kicks. Taylor lowered his shoulder into Robinson's shoulder. I'm sure a part of taylors helmet connected with robinson's helmet because of the impact.

Taylor lowered his head, too. His shoulder hit Robinson (legal). And his helmet hit Robinson in the chest (illegal) and lower helmet (illegal).


The receiver had the ball in his fingertips and taylor hit him

The ball had already bounced away from him. But like I said, that doesn't matter on this play. It wasn't a late hit.

(taylor didnt even launch...just ran into him), which for me is not defenseless but i guess the league thinks differently.

How is that NOT defenseless? He can't defend himself when he's trying to make a catch. That's why he's considered defenseless. He wasn't out there to block Taylor, you know.

[REDVOLUTION]

I wasnt serious with that comment. i still stand by my first orginal statement Mick. The team lost this game, it wasnt one person.

It was clear that Taylor's penalties cost them the game... as I explained in detail earlier..... living in denial.... you could get lost.....:blind:

[5Stars]

Cowboy fans didnt call it BS because it was an easy call, and because it wasnt in the 4th quarter

And your point is?

Sean "my daddy is a cop" Taylor committed a penalty...! And, he had a big hand in your team "loosing" the game...

[Hostile]

Haha. Hey guy, Robinson actually has the ball on his fingertips when taylor goes for the hit. So you want Taylor to let the receiver catch the ball and possibly get a big gain for a first down. Personally I would rather they not get a first down on a big pass. Not a new concept, but maybe one foreign to you. According to the Ref, Taylor hit a defenseless player in the chest, but since he wasnt defenseless.....it was a bad call. Easy right? All i said in the beginning was that the ref made a bad call.Ha ha, hey guy, he still leads with the helmet which is illegal.

I don't like the over protective rules, but that hit draws a flag every time.

[AdamJT13]

The Jags were not at Field-goal position. I believe they were on Dallas 47 yard line.

Wrong. The penalty moved the ball from the 32 to the 17. Even if the Jags hadn't gained another yard, they would have attempted a field goal from the 32.

[skinsngibbs4life]

And, this has what to do about Thugs penalty? Don't try and change the subject...that is a tactic that someone trys when they are wrong about the initial subject!

Please keep up, or go back to ES where everyone is in "Happy Land"...

how is it not about the topic??? you said,

No, the Cowboys lost that game fair and square! You don't see any Cowboy fans calling his hit BS, do you?

but how can you say that when the boyz fans here are complaining about the exact same thing?

still trying to spin it in your favor I see?

Hippocrit? nah, couldnt be...

[5Stars]

DJ 5stars hitting up your nearest message board mon-sunday!! Watch him Spin the newest threads and heat up the hottest debates!!!

Talking trash now I see? What is wrong...? Is mean 5Stars spinning one of your nerves?

Sean "i hits hard and dirty" Taylor commited a penalty...that is the dicussion...not mean 5Stars!

Keep up...or get out while you can!

[skinsngibbs4life]

The truth is...it was a freaking penalty! Understand? That is the truth!

so since you are avoiding the topic, I guess you agree with me that you are misleading the truth?

[5Stars]

I diagree on the Roy's penalty. The Jags were not at Field-goal position. I believe they were on Dallas 47 yard line. Roy's penalty was not a smart play buy your defence leader. That was just stupid by Roy part.

Yes it was! It was stupid, and Roy went back to Leftwich and apologized to him...

That is class...

[apickmans]

Before he begins trying to make the catch, he's not defenseless. But that's illegal contact or pass interference, when applicable. After he makes the catch and establishes possession (such as when he begins running with the ball), he's no longer defenseless.




Taylor lowered his head, too. His shoulder hit Robinson (legal). And his helmet hit Robinson in the chest (illegal) and lower helmet (illegal).




The ball had already bounced away from him. But like I said, that doesn't matter on this play. It wasn't a late hit.



How is that NOT defenseless? He can't defend himself when he's trying to make a catch. That's why he's considered defenseless. He wasn't out there to block Taylor, you know.

Taylor's exact play happens in the NFL probably a million times and they almost never call it. Kinda shocking is all.

[REDVOLUTION]

Taylor's exact play happens in the NFL probably a million times and they almost never call it. Kinda shocking is all.

xxx

wrong!

[apickmans]

And your point is?

Sean "my daddy is a cop" Taylor committed a penalty...! And, he had a big hand in your team "loosing" the game...

i gurantee if it was in the 4th quarter this place would errupt saying how BS the call was.

[AdamJT13]

Taylor's exact play happens in the NFL probably a million times and they almost never call it. Kinda shocking is all.

Name one time it wasn't called.

[apickmans]

Talking trash now I see? What is wrong...? Is mean 5Stars spinning one of your nerves?

Sean "i hits hard and dirty" Taylor commited a penalty...that is the dicussion...not mean 5Stars!

Keep up...or get out while you can!

haha seems like i hit one of your nerves. Just teasing is all.

[apickmans]

Name one time it wasn't called.

lemme see..let me break out my archives of NFL games and go over every single game and point out the instances that im talking about.

[AdamJT13]

lemme see..let me break out my archives of NFL games and go over every single game and point out the instances that im talking about.

OK, I'll wait.

Good luck finding any, though, because that call is made virtually every single time. Even when it's questionable (which Taylor's wasn't).

[5Stars]

Taylor's exact play happens in the NFL probably a million times and they almost never call it. Kinda shocking is all.

What do you expect? The refs look out for dirty players...that's the way it is...

Sean "i'll shoot you" Taylor has a reputation of being a punk...the refs look for players that try to do dirty stuff to gain an advantage.

[Future]

Hippocrit? nah, couldnt be...

lmao :lmao2: :lmao:

you spell like the delivery guy from Big Daddy. Hip, hip-hop, hip hop anonymous???

[REDVOLUTION]

OK, I'll wait.



Got any Snickers? I will wait with you.

:lmao2:

[5Stars]

so since you are avoiding the topic, I guess you agree with me that you are misleading the truth?

Look, boy...one more time! OK? This subject is about Sean "ATV boy" Taylors penalty! Not the Cowboy loss!

I know you are young and stuff...but, at least try and stay on the initial subject...or go do some homework, or whatever....OK?

[5Stars]

i gurantee if it was in the 4th quarter this place would errupt saying how BS the call was.

I wish I could see in the future like you! You cannot "gurantee" nothing that has not happened!

I "guarantee" you that Sean "where is my gun" Taylor committed a penalty! That is what the subject is about...not Roy's penalty...

RedStink logic at work....

[skinsngibbs4life]

Look, boy...one more time! OK? This subject is about Sean "ATV boy" Taylors penalty! Not the Cowboy loss!

I know you are young and stuff...but, at least try and stay on the initial subject...or go do some homework, or whatever....OK?

then why did YOU bring it up in the first place?

[apickmans]

OK, I'll wait.

Good luck finding any, though, because that call is made virtually every single time. Even when it's questionable (which Taylor's wasn't).

it actually wasnt that hard to find. Just had to look up Roy williams. Look at the end of the video. Hit on Gardner and hit on toomer. Your welcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9A0al_qK6A

[AdamJT13]

it actually wasnt that hard to find. Just had to look up Roy williams. Look at the end of the video. Hit on Gardner and hit on toomer. Your welcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9A0al_qK6A


Gardner wasn't defenseless, and Roy was flagged for hitting Toomer.

Try again.

[5Stars]

then why did YOU bring it up in the first place then?

I'm not sure that I brought it up...but, if I did, it was to prove a point that both penalty were "unsportsmanship" and dirty...

Cowboy fans are not complaining or saying the refs made a BS call on Roy, while you RedStinks are defending a punk that clearly comitted a penalty.

Any other question?

[tomson75]

Gardner wasn't defenseless, and Roy was flagged for hitting Toomer.

Try again.


:lmao:

[REDVOLUTION]

it actually wasnt that hard to find. Just had to look up Roy williams. Look at the end of the video. Hit on Gardner and hit on toomer. Your welcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9A0al_qK6A

not once did he lead with his head.... :rolleyes: what else ya got?

[REDVOLUTION]

Might I remind all of the SkinTrolls that this Thread is about Sean "I gots me a gun" Taylor.... Thank you!

[5Stars]

not once did he lead with his head.... :rolleyes: what else ya got?

Got milk?

[skinsngibbs4life]

RedStinks are defending a punk that clearly comitted a penalty.



are you really gonna make me get into this again? why are acting like every skins person on here thinks it wasnt dirty? How many of us are calling it dirty? 1. out of how many? 3. less than half. Just another attempt to skew reality

[5Stars]

are you really gonna make me get into this again? why are acting like every skins person on here thinks it wasnt dirty? How many of us are calling it dirty? 1. out of how many? 3. less than half. Just another attempt to skew reality

Look, OK? I'm starting to like you as a RedStink...

So, you tell me what this is all about from your point of view...

Was Sean "I rides me some ATVs" Taylor's hit a penalty?

Or, was it a BS call by ther refs?

[skinsngibbs4life]

Look, OK? I'm starting to like you as a RedStink...

So, you tell me what this is all about from your point of view...

Was Sean "i rides me some ATVs" Taylor's hit a penalty?

Or, was it a BS call by ther refs?

even though it wasnt a very hard hit, it was a helmet to helmet. So yes, I can see why the refs called the penalty.

I was never in this thread to dispute whether it was a bad call or not. Actually, the reason im here it because i took issue with you saying every skin thought it was a BS call. I was just trying to show that not all skins fans see the call in that viewpoint.

[5Stars]

even though it wasnt a very hard hit, it was a helmet to helmet. So yes, I can see why the refs called the penalty.

I was never in this thread to dispute whether it was a bad call or not. Actually, the reason im here it because i took issue with you saying every skin thought it was a BS call. I was just trying to show that not all skins fans see the call in that viewpoint.

Like I just said...I'm starting to like you as a RedStink...

So, if you don't like other RedStinks fans saying it was a BS call...why take it out on me? Tell them...not me!

Go argue with a man and tell him! Can you?

[apickmans]

Gardner wasn't defenseless, and Roy was flagged for hitting Toomer.

Try again.

Gardner wasnt defenseless? R u kidding me. Well i didnt see the flag in the highlight video, i was just assuming there wasnt one since it was a reel. What bout the coles hit at the end also. I knew you guys said he was fined, but there was no flag thrown right?

[skinsngibbs4life]

Like I just said...I'm starting to like you as a RedStink...

So, if you don't like other RedStinks fans saying it was a BS call...why take it out on me? Tell them...not me!

Go argue with a man and tell him! Can you?

I dont mind them saying it was a BS call, its their point of view. I just get frustrated when people think that that is my point of view just cause others think that way.

[5Stars]

I dont mind them saying it was a BS call, its their point of view. I just get frustrated when people think that that is my point of view just cause others think that way.

I agree with that! Have your own point of view, that's good for you...!

However, don't hide from the truth...simple!

Sean "I'll knock you out" Taylor committed a penlty...that is evident.

Why do you RedStinks deny that?

Stupid is, as stupid does?

[DragonCowboy]

5Stars,

What about Sean "Dude! Where's My ATV's??" Taylor?

[5Stars]

5Stars,

What about Sean "Dude! Where's My ATV's??" Taylor?

Getting ready to play football? Worried about the Cowboys? Getting ready to eat? I dont know?

You tell me?

[skinsngibbs4life]

I agree with that! Have your own point of view, that's good for you...!

However, don't hide from the truth...simple!

Sean "I'll knock you out" Taylor committed a penlty...that is evident.

Why do you RedStinks deny that?

Stupid is, as stupid does?

some people just see things differently, plain and simple. You wont be able to change their views.

Why do you keep trying to stir this whole thing up?

[Parnell]

Video of D Woods hit...looks textbook to me, but of course still called..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgRMsBvrkAo

[ravidubey]

except it wasnt helmet to helmet on a defenseless receiver. Taylor lowered and used his shoulder. Then you were totally listening to Theisman instead of watching the crown of Taylor's helmet touch the receviers' helmet. I saw it hit in slow motion and you know at full speed it couldn't have felt good.

Whenever

1. The DB launches himself
2. Makes helmet-to-helmet contact
3. The receiver is airborne or landing and not yet running

the 15 yard penalty is going to get called every time. Watch again and you'll see it-- you'll have to remove burgundy and gold blinders first. I saw Darren Woodson nearly turn Darrell Jackson's brain into mush this way and get severely fined. As fast and strong as players are these days it's the only way the NFL can play it.

[jrumann59]

My only concern is the ref of the game was the same one that ejected him in the playoffs. I also agree that ones reputation precedes oneself on game day. While RW may be more classy he does have the stigma of questionable hits and he does have a rule named after him. The call on ST if it was anyone else probably would get called 3 out 10 times it wasn't dirty, he hit him with the helmet but he didn't lead with it, you are taught shoulder to the body head to the side, the call was questionable but it wasn't total BS. NFL=New Flag League

[DragonCowboy]

Getting ready to play football? Worried about the Cowboys? Getting ready to eat? I dont know?

You tell me?

Or...

Sean "I wonder what this trigger does" Taylor.

[AdamJT13]

Gardner wasnt defenseless? R u kidding me.

Gardner had already established possession. At that point, he's no different from a running back carrying the ball.

[fanfromvirginia]

a lot of things cost us the game. inability to score in the redzone, Def. could not stop them on 3rd down, bad play from our corners, and no clutch play by John Hall. Sean taylor def. didnt help with that face mask penatly(first personal foul was BS).
You got it backwards. The first was correct. The second could have warranted a fiver instead of the full fifteen. It was kind of a tweener.

[fanfromvirginia]

How is that wrong? You CANNOT use your helmet to hit a defenseless receiver. And Taylor did just that.
And as much as we tend to gripe about the nanny state of the NFL, we're probably saving some significant injuries in an increasingly injury-plagued sport by erring on the side of woosieness.

[rgcowboys]

BP should not tal about other players. It will turn up on their chalk board and Taylor and that defense will be fired up. The Cowboys and Redskins need this win, so dont add fuel to the fire. We would be upset if Gibbs blamed Roy or any Cowboys for our loss. If BP said that I can see Sean Taylor jacking one of our players up and pointing his finger a BP. Dont get it twisted I predicted a Cowboys win over the Redskins.

[Hoofbite]

The play looks more convincing then it really was. He should have had the right to hit him but I think the whole helmet to helmet thing comes in when he just runs into him with a little dip. I mean, he didn't even have his arms out or anything, just sort of ran into him like a penguin. I think if he puts his arms up and hits him then it wouldn't have been a problem because it wouldn't have looked like he was leading with his helmet.

[hooskins]

I think we are talking about the wrong things, yeah if ST did not commit those penalties, maybe we would have had a chance, but overall the blame clearly lies on our offense, that could not convert in the red zone, and our pass D. I really have nothing to say about our pass D, and our offense settled for field goals instead of points, in the RZ, which is really bad. Our offense needs fine tuning and our pass D, needs a defibulator(sp?).

[peplaw06]

And as much as we tend to gripe about the nanny state of the NFL, we're probably saving some significant injuries in an increasingly injury-plagued sport by erring on the side of woosieness.

I don't know about that. There are still significant injuries. And it seems like the big hitters aren't laying off. Roy for example gets flagged for big hits relatively often.

I find it hard to imagine Roy makes a conscious effort every time he's about to tackle somebody to "not lead with his helmet" or not horse collar someone. He still uses the horse collar, even though I've rarely seen that one called.

The NFL can try to protect these guys, but when you get at game speed, a big hitter is probably going to be the same big hitter more times than not. If they get flagged, they probably say "oh well, that's how I play" then accept the yardage, maybe apologize to the guy, pay their fine, and move on.

[Bob Sacamano]

Rich, didnt the ball hit the receiver in the hand or his finger tips? If so Taylor has the right to try to dislodge the receiver from the ball right?

the ball was way out of his grasp by the time Taylor hit him

[BigDFan5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NehSV6G99Lo


go to the slow mo replay at the 3:26 mark, it is CLEAR he hit Robinson in the helmet with the crown of his helmet

[jrumann59]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NehSV6G99Lo


go to the slow mo replay at the 3:26 mark, it is CLEAR he hit Robinson in the helmet with the crown of his helmet

ST is going up at an upward motion Robinson is landing the helmet to helmet is incidental and robinson probably didn't feel it. that hit happens 90% of the time on running plays into the line the only difference is its ST and I can't stand the guy because he looks like a thug that wears a lot of padding under those shoulder pads.

[AdamJT13]

ST is going up at an upward motion Robinson is landing the helmet to helmet is incidental and robinson probably didn't feel it. that hit happens 90% of the time on running plays into the line

It's perfectly legal on a running play into the line.

It's not legal when it's a defenseless receiver.

[fanfromvirginia]

I don't know about that. There are still significant injuries. And it seems like the big hitters aren't laying off. Roy for example gets flagged for big hits relatively often.

I find it hard to imagine Roy makes a conscious effort every time he's about to tackle somebody to "not lead with his helmet" or not horse collar someone. He still uses the horse collar, even though I've rarely seen that one called.

The NFL can try to protect these guys, but when you get at game speed, a big hitter is probably going to be the same big hitter more times than not. If they get flagged, they probably say "oh well, that's how I play" then accept the yardage, maybe apologize to the guy, pay their fine, and move on.
Maybe, maybe not. It's impossible to say how many of these hits any particular player would be making in the hypothetical world where they were legal. I'm guessing it's got to have some significant deterrent effect on the legal overall.

Just because we see it a lot doesn't mean we wouldn't see it more.