I blame the missed FG on Parcells

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Many may see this as nit-picking, but I blame the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

AF

[superpunk]

Suisham could prefer kicking from the right hash.

We can't know that.

[peplaw06]

Wasn't it a draw play to Barber?? IIRC he was going up the middle and bounced it to the outside.

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

When did Parcells become our kicker?

There are two types of people in the world:
1) The ones that produce, no matter what.
2) The ones that don't produce and make excuses.

[DallasInDC]

Many may see this as nit-picking, but I balme the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

AF


I don't no, maybe I'm missing something here?? I blame the FG kicker for the missed FG. After all, it is his JOB to make FG's - especially 36 yd gimmes.

[AdamJT13]

But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

They didn't. It was a draw up the middle, and Barber cut it outside to the right. (Definitely Parcells' fault.)

[Stautner]

Many may see this as nit-picking, but I balme the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

AF

This is goofy. What next - will you Blame Parcells for running a screen pass to the right when he clearly knows Julius prefers to run it to the left?

[5Stars]

I prefer a lot of things too! Like, I prefer my eggs fried, while my son likes them scrambled...either way, I have to know how to make them right!

It's a kickers job to learn how to make all the kicks from either hash mark, as well as down the center. He's supposed to be a pro, so he should know how to adjust because if he likes the right hash mark, as you say he might, well tough luck, because the ball is not always going to be spotted there.

Parcells fault? Yeah, right!

[Hoov]

i still have issues with running on 3rd and 13 when you have TO, glenn and witten on your team.

if im a fan of jacksonville im hoping the cowboys run because that will amost definitely mean 3 intsead of 7.

BS. use your best players.

[silver]

BP didn't give Suisham a vote of confidence on the previous 4th down play by going for it. I tend to think BP's lack of confidence in his kickers is doing more harm than anything else. He should just let him try a 50 yarder to get his confidence back.

[superpunk]

When did Parcells become our kicker?

There are two types of people in the world:
1) The ones that produce, no matter what.
2) The ones that don't produce and make excuses.

And the Dutch.

[DipChit]

Not that it's the worst observation in the world but for those pointing out that the play was bounced outside.

I was actually thinking the same thing near the end of the Vikes/Skins game. When the Vikes were doing nothing but milking the clock to set up their go-ahead field goal. Without studying the plays hard, it too casually looked like in that case the Vikes werent really interested in setting it up to be right down the middle.

Course with a guy like Longwell, one might not feel it mattered much anyway. ;)

[Sportsbabe]

I guess I'm in the minority. I think it was a horrible play call on 3rd & 13 (or whatever). I went home for lunch and the Replay Game on NFL Network was airing. It hurt me to my heart to see that stupid play call inside the 20 yard line. I don't care if we did just have a penalty that set us back. In my opinion, a running play with more that 5 yards to go is playing scared; playing tight. You need to play for the 1st down. We did not play for the 1st down.

[Sportsbabe]

i still have issues with running on 3rd and 13 when you have TO, glenn and witten on your team.

if im a fan of jacksonville im hoping the cowboys run because that will amost definitely mean 3 intsead of 7.

BS. use your best players.

Agreed. How many other teams are in the league? I bet we are the only one that wouldn't go for the first with less talent at ther disposal. Ridiculous.

[peplaw06]

I guess I'm in the minority. I think it was a horrible play call on 3rd & 13 (or whatever). I went home for lunch and the Replay Game on NFL Network was airing. It hurt me to my heart to see that stupid play call inside the 20 yard line. I don't care if we did just have a penalty that set us back. In my opinion, a running play with more that 5 yards to go is playing scared; playing tight. You need to play for the 1st down. We did not play for the 1st down.

It's playing for points. BP had it in his head that we HAD to get 3 out of that drive. You could say be aggressive and throw for it, but then if Drew's sacked or throws another pick, we get nada. It turned we got nada, but we played for the FG.

I don't think anyone should be surprised that BP played for the FG. It's what he does. On 3rd and 8 or less, he probably throws for it, 3rd and 13... play for the FG. I'd do it too.

[WV Cowboy]

i still have issues with running on 3rd and 13 when you have TO, glenn and witten on your team.

if im a fan of jacksonville im hoping the cowboys run because that will amost definitely mean 3 intsead of 7.

BS. use your best players.
Oh, now there is a good idea, the next thing you now we will be putting Roy Williams up at the LOS and letting him wreak havoc there.

You might give up a play sometimes, but who knows, you might make a game changing play sometime.

Don't ALWAYS be conservative !

Take a shot on 3rd and 13, ... turn Roy loose !

[WV Cowboy]

On 3rd and 8 or less, he probably throws for it, 3rd and 13... play for the FG. I'd do it too.
Yes, maybe at 10-10, but he does it all the time.

I think the players would like it too, have some fun, ... it is a game.

[Sportsbabe]

It's playing for points. BP had it in his head that we HAD to get 3 out of that drive. You could say be aggressive and throw for it, but then if Drew's sacked or throws another pick, we get nada. It turned we got nada, but we played for the FG.


My bad. I would think I could trust my 14-year QB to get rid of the ball and not lose the game for me. I must have lost my mind for a minute.

[Stautner]

BP didn't give Suisham a vote of confidence on the previous 4th down play by going for it. I tend to think BP's lack of confidence in his kickers is doing more harm than anything else. He should just let him try a 50 yarder to get his confidence back.

Ahhhh - if he gives them love and attention, nurtures them, provides them with food, clothing and shelter, protects them from harm and raises them to be fine young men, always remembering to praise them when it is deserved, then they will repay him with made FG's .............

BS - this is football and Bill ain't their father. If the kickers don't have confidence enough to make FG's then they don't deserve to be here.

By the way, did it ever occur to anyone that Suisham is just an average kicker - plain and simple? He wasn't even particulary accurate in college. Seems to me that we are looking for BS excuses when the simple truth is that we were forced to use a kicker that Parcells didn't really want to keep anyway, and he showed why.

[conner01]

a kicker should be able to make that chip shot from either hash mark.
this is the nfl, not high scholl football.if your kicking a 50 yd fg that might matter but from 30 yds if you can't make that you are'nt gonna be a kicker in this league very long even if you do kick off pretty dang good.

[DMX690]

Ahhhh - if he gives them love and attention, nurtures them, provides them with food, clothing and shelter, protects them from harm and raises them to be fine young men, always remembering to praise them when it is deserved, then they will repay him with made FG's .............

BS - this is football and Bill ain't their father. If the kickers don't have confidence enough to make FG's then they don't deserve to be here.

By the way, did it ever occur to anyone that Suisham is just an average kicker - plain and simple? He wasn't even particulary accurate in college. Seems to me that we are looking for BS excuses when the simple truth is that we were forced to use a kicker that Parcells didn't really want to keep anyway, and he showed why.


Good point... Suisham is just not that good. That's why Vandy better be kicking this Sunday night or i can't bare to watch Suisham miss another gimme field goal.

[silver]

Ahhhh - if he gives them love and attention, nurtures them, provides them with food, clothing and shelter, protects them from harm and raises them to be fine young men, always remembering to praise them when it is deserved, then they will repay him with made FG's .............

BS - this is football and Bill ain't their father. If the kickers don't have confidence enough to make FG's then they don't deserve to be here.

By the way, did it ever occur to anyone that Suisham is just an average kicker - plain and simple? He wasn't even particulary accurate in college. Seems to me that we are looking for BS excuses when the simple truth is that we were forced to use a kicker that Parcells didn't really want to keep anyway, and he showed why.
I guess when you got lemons you make lemonade. I remember our kicker in 2003 with the game vs the Giants. He wasn't any better than Suisham, but Parcells had confidence in him and sent him out there to kick a long FG to send the game into OT and also to win it later. Kickers are a different breed, they don't respond well to mind games like LB's and TE's (BP's specialties)

[DMX690]

I guess when you got lemons you make lemonade. I remember our kicker in 2003 with the game vs the Giants. He wasn't any better than Suisham, but Parcells had confidence in him and sent him out there to kick a long FG to send the game into OT and also to win it later. Kickers are a different breed, they don't respond well to mind games like LB's and TE's (BP's specialties)

Well that's because... Parcell had no choice because there was 3 sec left in the game. To have confidence in a player. The player needs to show he has confidence in himself, which clearly Suisham doesn't.

[silver]

One thing we can all agree (other than suisham outta be shot) is that we miss Hoffman a lot. The guy made kickers outta elementary school P.E. teachers.

[Stautner]

I guess when you got lemons you make lemonade. I remember our kicker in 2003 with the game vs the Giants. He wasn't any better than Suisham, but Parcells had confidence in him and sent him out there to kick a long FG to send the game into OT and also to win it later. Kickers are a different breed, they don't respond well to mind games like LB's and TE's (BP's specialties)

I don't see the mind games. The fact is that Parcells makes decisions based on the situation on the field as well as how he feels about the kicker. When we went for it on 4th down he may have done the same even if Vandy had been there (almost certainly after Vandy's preseason performance). In the 2003 game you refer to, I don't see that Parcells had another choice - even poor 60/40 odds on a FG are better than the odds on completing a long pass in the end zone.

But the bottom line is that kickers have to earn the confidence of the coach. It doesn't work the other way around - NFL teams can't afford to take on a project kicker who they feel can do well if they can help him build confidence.

[DMX690]

One thing we can all agree (other than suisham outta be shot) is that we miss Hoffman a lot. The guy made kickers outta elementary school P.E. teachers.

That's when Jerry wanted to be cheap with kickers. Now, we actually spend millions on a veteran Kicker. I want to see the that idiot kicker kick. I don't care how he looks in practice. He can't do any worse.

[Stautner]

That's when Jerry wanted to be cheap with kickers. Now, we actually spend millions on a veteran Kicker. I want to see the that idiot kicker kick. I don't care how he looks in practice. He can't do any worse.

This is bogus - hoffman was fired long before we brought in a high priced kicker.

It is interesting to note, however, that we seemed to have fewer kicking issues when Hoffman was here than we have since he left.

I do want to make one point though. Most seasons a team really only has a couple of games that are decided by a missed or made FG. Last year was an exception - we had about 5-6 games that came down to that, most of which went against us. In other words, I beleive that in most seasons the FG problems we had last year would have seemed much less significant. Hell, we've been surviving with 70-75% FG kickers for years, including the Super Bowl years of the 90's, and though we have known all along that kicking wasn't a strong suit, last year was the first time it became a dramatic problem.

[LeonDixson]

It's playing for points. BP had it in his head that we HAD to get 3 out of that drive. You could say be aggressive and throw for it, but then if Drew's sacked or throws another pick, we get nada. It turned we got nada, but we played for the FG.

I don't think anyone should be surprised that BP played for the FG. It's what he does. On 3rd and 8 or less, he probably throws for it, 3rd and 13... play for the FG. I'd do it too.

You are probably right that he was playing for the field goal in that instance. However, I'd be willing to bet that a majority of 3rd and very long situations, BP calls a run or a very short pass play even when we are not in field goal situations.

Put me down in the group that says "go for it". I get sick of seeing them running when it's 3rd and long yardage. It would be interesting to see the stats on what his tendency is in those situations, but I'm way too lazy to go back and chart the plays for the last 3 years.

[Chuck 54]

Many may see this as nit-picking, but I blame the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

AF
3rd and 13 is not exactly 3rd and 25...I disagree...when you have T.O., Glenn, and Witten, you should be passing on 3rd and 13 to keep the scoring drive alive...you can also dump it short and pick up yards.

I'd be willing to bet the odds of converting 3rd and 13 are much higher when passing than when running...running on 3rd and 13 in the red zone is a "give up" play, imo.

[Stautner]

3rd and 13 is not exactly 3rd and 25...I disagree...when you have T.O., Glenn, and Witten, you should be passing on 3rd and 13 to keep the scoring drive alive...you can also dump it short and pick up yards.

I'd be willing to bet the odds of converting 3rd and 13 are much higher when passing than when running...running on 3rd and 13 in the red zone is a "give up" play, imo.

The odds of losing yardage and pushing the FG distance into a tougher category are also much higher with a pass .... it's all relative and all subject to whatever Parcells feels best about at the time. Parcells has earned a little latitude on these kinds of decisions.

[Doomsday]

I dont think you call plays in the 3rd quarter thinking what hash mark someone is kicking a lousy 36 yard FG from. Yea the object is to get the ball a bit closer, but you are also hoping to catch the defense over committing to the pass so you can pick up the first down. The mistake he made was not taking Vanderjagt instead. If you look at his history he has stunk it up in preseason for several years now and been a rock in the regular season. He was brought in for a reason, Id rather take a chance on him then a practice wonder who you know you cant rely on. Screw the kickoffs, the 10 yards isnt nearly as costly as the 3 points we miss out on every game.

[DipChit]

As far as calling a running play on 3rd and very long, I dont really have an opinion on the best way to handle it.

I'll just say that I think the NFL Head Coaches Handbook that they give to every new coach makes it pretty clear that they're supposed to call a draw play in that situation. It's listed inbetween the paragraphs that say you shouldnt defer til the 2nd half and the one that mentions the proper procedure on how congratulate each other at mid-field after the game.

Must be.. cause it's one of the most predictable down/distance play calls in NFL history.

[ghst187]

When did Parcells become our kicker?


Well he became directly responsible once he fired Hoffman...:banghead:

[Stautner]

As far as calling a running play on 3rd and very long, I dont really have an opinion on the best way to handle it.

I'll just say that I think the NFL Head Coaches Handbook that they give to every new coach makes it pretty clear that they're supposed to call a draw play in that situation. It's listed inbetween the paragraphs that say you shouldnt defer til the 2nd half and the one that mentions the proper procedure on how congratulate each other at mid-field after the game.

Must be.. cause it's one of the most predictable down/distance play calls in NFL history.

This is a great point - many on here act as if this is merely a predictable quirk in our offensive play calling. It goes on all the time with virtually every team. I assume the idea is that the defense is looking to prevent a first down pass, so the draw provides some opportunity to get a first down against a spread out defense while still preserving or aiding the field position for the FG attempt.

[DMX690]

Well he became directly responsible once he fired Hoffman...:banghead:

It is too much to ask, for a kicker to be able to make a 30 yard field goal on a regular bases.

[jackrussell]

Many may see this as nit-picking, but I blame the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

AF

Dang. After reading this little diddy..........I'm sorry for missing your other 715 posts.

[peplaw06]

Yes, maybe at 10-10, but he does it all the time.

I think the players would like it too, have some fun, ... it is a game.

There are three constants in life.... Death, taxes, and Bill Parcells coached teams will play conservatively. BP plays for field position and points. ESPECIALLY on 3rd and long. You could bet the house on a run on 3rd and long. He talks about the offense getting to 3rd and manageable. Anything over 8-10 yards for him isn't manageable. Like it or not, it's BP.

And he's been successful doing it. This isn't Madden, it's BP's job. A sack on 3rd and long could lose you 10 yards or more of field position. An interception on 3rd and long... which is more likely because they're going to drop 7-8 in coverage... is devastating. The thing BP has resigned himself to is the fact that if your offense is in that situation, they have probably made a mistake to get there. He's not going to make the situation worse by trying to do too much. It's just the way it is. Not saying I agree with it, but then again, I'm not an NFL coach.

[AdamJT13]

There are three constants in life.... Death, taxes, and Bill Parcells coached teams will play conservatively. BP plays for field position and points. ESPECIALLY on 3rd and long. You could bet the house on a run on 3rd and long. He talks about the offense getting to 3rd and manageable. Anything over 8-10 yards for him isn't manageable. Like it or not, it's BP.

And he's been successful doing it. This isn't Madden, it's BP's job. A sack on 3rd and long could lose you 10 yards or more of field position. An interception on 3rd and long... which is more likely because they're going to drop 7-8 in coverage... is devastating. The thing BP has resigned himself to is the fact that if your offense is in that situation, they have probably made a mistake to get there. He's not going to make the situation worse by trying to do too much. It's just the way it is. Not saying I agree with it, but then again, I'm not an NFL coach.

Last year, whenever we were in the red zone and faced third-and-4 or longer, we passed the ball EVERY SINGLE TIME. That included passes on third-and-10, third-and-17 and third-and-18.

[ghst187]

It is too much to ask, for a kicker to be able to make a 30 yard field goal on a regular bases.

I think you meant this in the form of a question....and the answer seems to be an overwhelming YES.
As if it were consolation...a bunch of kickers missed makeable FGs this past week, including Nugent out of Ohio St, who was easily one of the best and most heralded kickers coming out of college in recent years.
What happened to the good old days with Morten and Gary Anderson, guys like that who were just automatic under 40?
Maybe its me, but it used to seem like anything under 40 yards in the pros was nearly automatic...
Its been one nightmare after another for us in the kicking game. Not many teams have been as snakebitten by it as we have but for certain we aren't the only ones frustrated with our kicker/s.
I tell you though, and I said it once the offseason started, I would gone HARD after Neil Rackers, Nedney, Vinateri, Longwell, and/or Mare. Vjerk would not have been on the list other than a last resort. Jerry Jones didn't seem to have many issues ponying up a lot of money for FAs, I failed to understand why he was reluctant to open up the wallet and do what it took to get one of the guys I mentioned when it clearly cost us so many games last year and in the past 10. I would imagine that if we were willing to pay 3-5 million for a kicker that we could've gotten any of the FA kickers we wanted, including Vinateri (who apparently can kick with a broken foot, while our idiot kicker can't kick with a bruised ego). And we'd have to be braindead not to have put Vanderjerk low on our list of kickers we'd like to have. It would've been worth it to offer the Cards draft picks and/or a player or two to acquire Rackers. Heck, who is more important to have.....a backup LB and STer or a kicker who is money?
I hope to heck Vandershank comes around soon and has a great season, but I thought and still think that we made a gross error in judgment regarding kickers this past offseason.

[peplaw06]

Last year, whenever we were in the red zone and faced third-and-4 or longer, we passed the ball EVERY SINGLE TIME. That included passes on third-and-10, third-and-17 and third-and-18.

But isn't it different when we're in the Red Zone?? If we take a sack there, we can still kick the FG. The problem comes when you're in borderline FG range. When we're in the Red Zone, BP probably hammers the "don't force a throw if it's not there" then lets Bledsoe throw it. But if we get sacked, we still have a shot at 3.

[Boyzmamacita]

That's when Jerry wanted to be cheap with kickers. Now, we actually spend millions on a veteran Kicker. I want to see the that idiot kicker kick. I don't care how he looks in practice. He can't do any worse.

Agreed. Why not make this guy earn his money? They keep saying there's nothing wrong with him physically. Put him out there then. He can't overcome whatever his mental demons are if he doesn't go out there and try.

[AdamJT13]

But isn't it different when we're in the Red Zone?? If we take a sack there, we can still kick the FG. The problem comes when you're in borderline FG range. When we're in the Red Zone, BP probably hammers the "don't force a throw if it's not there" then lets Bledsoe throw it. But if we get sacked, we still have a shot at 3.

We WERE in the red zone Sunday when we ran it, and people are complaining, saying that Parcells always runs it in that situation. But we hadn't run it in that situation since 2004.

Overall last season (not just in the red zone), we passed the ball every time on third-and-8, every time on third-and-9, 92 percent of the time on third-and-10, 91 percent of the time on third-and-11, 86 percent of the time on third-and-12, 86 percent of the time on third-and-13, 67 percent of the time on third-and-14, 83 percent of the time on third-and-15 and 75 percent of the time on third-and-16.

The VAST majority of the time, Parcells passes on third-and-long. But when he runs it one time -- never mind that it was in a tie game late in the third quarter on the road against a playoff-caliber team -- people bash him for always being "too conservative." Please.

[davidyee]

Suisham could prefer kicking from the right hash.

We can't know that.

...legged kicker. As a beginner you would favour the left hash mark. Watch the opening kickoff of the game and you can see the right legged kicker's natural motion is to move from left to right.

Most kickers don't prefer going from right to left if you don't have to, but as a professional it shouldn't matter unless you had a choice.

If the kick was for the Super Bowl, as Parcells I would have run to the left hash mark knowing I had a right legged kicker.

Vice versa for a left legged kicker.

[davidyee]

That's when Jerry wanted to be cheap with kickers. Now, we actually spend millions on a veteran Kicker. I want to see the that idiot kicker kick. I don't care how he looks in practice. He can't do any worse.

... BP may have taken Suisham because he may have seen the "worse" part rather than the better.

Right now it's very disconcerting to see our prized free agent kicker not on the field on Sundays. Let's hope things are different against the Skins.

We have tough games ahead of us and we don't want to leave points on the field. With the state of our offence right now we can't turn our backs on anything - even FGs.

[davidyee]

Agreed. Why not make this guy earn his money? They keep saying there's nothing wrong with him physically. Put him out there then. He can't overcome whatever his mental demons are if he doesn't go out there and try.
... injured, I can't imagine what was so bad that he couldn't take the field.

Was he missing 10 yard chips shots?

[DMX690]

... BP may have taken Suisham because he may have seen the "worse" part rather than the better.

Right now it's very disconcerting to see our prized free agent kicker not on the field on Sundays. Let's hope things are different against the Skins.

We have tough games ahead of us and we don't want to leave points on the field. With the state of our offence right now we can't turn our backs on anything - even FGs.

I think Parcell should bite the bullet and let Vanderjack kick no matter how he looks in pratices. Its a similar situation with T.O neither of them played or pratice alot in preseason. It really didn't affect T.O performance this past Sunday. If a player has had a history of sucess in the league then i think a coach should overlook his practice result. Now, that Vanderjack is not listed on the injury report, he should be the field goal kicker this sunday night.

[doomsday81]

Many may see this as nit-picking, but I blame the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

AF

Yeah, that was a great call. I mean, how could the Cowboys offense ever get a whopping 13 yards on one play? It's not like they have Terry Glenn, Jason Witten or even a Terrell Owens. No offensive weapons at all. Yeah, great freaking call. And you wonder why ever God damn Cowboys game goes down to the wire? It's because of chicken **** calls like that. That's why.

[doomsday81]

This is a great point - many on here act as if this is merely a predictable quirk in our offensive play calling. It goes on all the time with virtually every team. I assume the idea is that the defense is looking to prevent a first down pass, so the draw provides some opportunity to get a first down against a spread out defense while still preserving or aiding the field position for the FG attempt.

That's the kind of thinking that keeps teams out of the playoffs. Goes on all the time you say? The Colts are always running draw plays on third and 13, huh? How about the Rams? The Eagles? The Patriots? Goes on all the time? Yeah, when your head coach is either Bill Parcells or Herm Edwards.

[peplaw06]

That's the kind of thinking that keeps teams out of the playoffs. Goes on all the time you say? The Colts are always running draw plays on third and 13, huh? How about the Rams? The Eagles? The Patriots? Goes on all the time? Yeah, when your head coach is either Bill Parcells or Herm Edwards.

See Adam's post on Page 3... I was corrected on that too.

[REDVOLUTION]

Many may see this as nit-picking, but I blame the missed FG on Parcells.
After Witten's penalty to negate the TD, we were facing something like 3rd and 13. Okay so we decide to call a run play on 3rd down. I actually agree with that, because with that much yardage to go, a run play makes sense to set up a FG. But why did the coaches call the play to be a run to the right?

All that run-right does is put the FG on the right hashmark if the first down is not made. With a rookie kicker kickeing, and one you have little confidence in, the smart play would have been to run to the center so the FG attemplt is placed in the middle of the goal posts on 4th down. Instead a run-right is called and the following kick (from the right) went straight and hit the right post and was no-good.

Therefore I blame this miss on Parcells AND ONLY Parcells because the previous play should have been a middle run. Even if Parcells may have not called the play himself, he sohuld have overriden it if someone else called it, since Parcells has publically reserved the right to have final say on what offensive calls get made.

AF


You cant blame BP for missed kicks... .the kicker has to make his kicks.... the name of his position if "kicker" for goodness sake....

you can blame him for bad coaching... hence the title "coach".... but you cant blame him for kicking... its all on the ..... yep you guessed... THE KICKER....

[Bob Sacamano]

I stubbed my toe, I blame it on Purcells! damn yankee coach!

[AMERICAS_FAN]

They didn't. It was a draw up the middle, and Barber cut it outside to the right. (Definitely Parcells' fault.)

If that's the case then it's haerd to hold Parcells accountable. But at some level you have to question why Barber would do something so stupid? Are these players even coached to think? I mean, how unprepared/undiscipined can this team be? For crying out loud!

AF

[AdamJT13]

If that's the case then it's haerd to hold Parcells accountable. But at some level you have to question why Barber would do something so stupid? Are these players even coached to think? I mean, how unprepared/undiscipined can this team be? For crying out loud!

Most fans on here criticize running backs for not trying to bounce everything outside. It's refreshing to hear someone beg for a running back to plow straight ahead into the pile for no gain.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Most fans on here criticize running backs for not trying to bounce everything outside. It's refreshing to hear someone beg for a running back to plow straight ahead into the pile for no gain.

The point is to play disciplined - to know when to take chances and when not to. On 3rd and 13 on a draw play is not the time to take chances when you have a FG staring you in your face. The percentages of converting that first down are so low that the best thing to do is set up the FG in the most optimal way. I actually liked the middle-run call, I juat questuion whay it was ever bounced outside. To me, it looked like the coaches called it that way, but perhaps it was Barber's improvisation. Either way, whover decided to baounce that particular run outside made an idiotic and thoughtless decisiona. It was DUMB football, plain and simple.

AF

[AMERICAS_FAN]

You cant blame BP for missed kicks... .the kicker has to make his kicks.... the name of his position if "kicker" for goodness sake....

you can blame him for bad coaching... hence the title "coach".... but you cant blame him for kicking... its all on the ..... yep you guessed... THE KICKER....

The only reason we even have that kicker on the roster is because Vanderjact can't kick-off. Yes the kicker has to make his kicks but not in absolute. If he's primarily a kickoff-guy, and you know he's iffy on making FGs - which the staff has admited thay know he's iffy - why not then try to put him in the best position possible to make the kick? Running the third down run up the middle instead of the right would have centered the FG attemp, instead of having it be kicked from the right hashmark. That's the point. I really can't blame the kickoff guy who is not the FG kicker of choice for a missed kick, just like I couldn't blame Crayton if he had to come in as the third QB and played poorly there.

AF

[Stautner]

That's the kind of thinking that keeps teams out of the playoffs. Goes on all the time you say? The Colts are always running draw plays on third and 13, huh? How about the Rams? The Eagles? The Patriots? Goes on all the time? Yeah, when your head coach is either Bill Parcells or Herm Edwards.

You don't watch much football do you ...... or is it only when the Cowboys or Colts play?

I'll grant you it isn't always the norm for every team, but every team does it at times. Sometimes it is deemed best to take a conservative approach on a play that "could" work, but will also leave you in shape to settle for a FG - rather than get too greedy .......... especially with struggling offenses like we were Sunday.

Do you go to the bathroom every time a team plays for the FG?

[visionary]

They didn't. It was a draw up the middle, and Barber cut it outside to the right. (Definitely Parcells' fault.)

exactly :banghead: