View Full Version : VIDEO: Floz Adams... terrible game...
eduncan22
09-13-2006, 05:09 PM
Ok..check out this video. Floz Adams played a terrible game.
I've said this from day 1...LT is a problem.
In any case...check out our LT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Sd96RSImE
Hiero
09-13-2006, 05:12 PM
levi brown maybe if hes still around for us.
DragonCowboy
09-13-2006, 05:14 PM
ghasghlfhsf
smileys aren't working for me!
"BBP"
(green smiling face)
AdamJT13
09-13-2006, 05:19 PM
Strange video. Some of those plays had nothing to do with Adams, and one of them was a pass completion.
eduncan22
09-13-2006, 05:20 PM
watch the left tackle 8)
Hiero
09-13-2006, 05:24 PM
Strange video. Some of those plays had nothing to do with Adams, and one of them was a pass completion.
ya, but on a couple of them spicer dominated Flo. plus two penalties. hopefully flo gets his legs back under him.
AdamJT13
09-13-2006, 05:25 PM
watch the left tackle 8)
Gee, thanks.
Like I said, some of those plays had nothing to do with Adams. (The left tackle). (No. 76).
AdamJT13
09-13-2006, 05:30 PM
ya, but on a couple of them spicer dominated Flo. plus two penalties. hopefully flo gets his legs back under him.
I didn't say he had a good game. He played a lot like Torrin Tucker, but without the blocking help. I'm just saying that some of those plays don't show anything negative about Adams, and some are only marginally negative. One of them (the last one) is even a good play by Adams.
88 enough said
09-13-2006, 05:30 PM
he just looks crippled
eduncan22
09-14-2006, 12:01 PM
All of the plays have something to do with Adams.
He is either committing a penalty, giving up a sack, missing a block, or just taking the play off.
AdamJT13
09-14-2006, 12:29 PM
All of the plays have something to do with Adams.
He is either committing a penalty, giving up a sack, missing a block, or just taking the play off.
On the quick slant to Witten, Bledsoe gets rid of the ball before there's any pressure. The guy Adams is supposed to block hasn't even gotten to him yet. There's nothing negative about Adams on that play.
On the final play of the video, Adams shoves his guy out of the play -- 5 yards past Bledsoe -- and Bledsoe throws an interception. That was a good play by Adams.
There were one or two others like that, but I don't have time right now to let the Youtube video download again so I can watch it again, and I've already made my point.
Give the guy a break. It is his first game back after major surgery. He will get better as the season goes on. Bank on it.
OMG, that was absolutely pathetic. spicer beat him and it looked like the same play every time, he just runs right past him, no inside move first or bullrush, he just runs right past him again and again.
And one play Flo held him the entire time and the dude still took down bledsoe. how can he let him get the same leverage again and again. he was hardly even slowed at all by Flo. that was just awful.
Juke99
09-14-2006, 12:38 PM
Adams has always been an inconsistent performer...but that said, he's not as bad as these clips make him look.
Hopefully, it's rust...
Then again, I was never a person who felt that last season fell apart because Flozell Adams went down...he's good but he's not an elite tackle.
On the quick slant to Witten, Bledsoe gets rid of the ball before there's any pressure. The guy Adams is supposed to block hasn't even gotten to him yet. There's nothing negative about Adams on that play.
On the final play of the video, Adams shoves his guy out of the play -- 5 yards past Bledsoe -- and Bledsoe throws an interception. That was a good play by Adams.
There were one or two others like that, but I don't have time right now to let the Youtube video download again so I can watch it again, and I've already made my point.
the last play that was an INT had nothing to do with flo, you are right. but in almost every play spicer was getting the best of flo even if bledose got the pass off in time, it still was obvious that spicer owned him.
maybe he just was not in game day shape. either he just had no idea what he was doing out there or he was so winded he didnt have the strength/stamina to push spicer to the outside. most of the times he got beat it looked like he took such a bad angle that he didnt have any leverage.
it wouldnt be so upsetting if we saw him get overpowered and thrown down. its upsetting because it looked like he just kept making the same mistake, letting spicer get up under him to cut the distance to the qb on the outside rush.
Iago33
09-14-2006, 12:54 PM
Adams has always been an inconsistent performer...but that said, he's not as bad as these clips make him look.
Hopefully, it's rust...
Then again, I was never a person who felt that last season fell apart because Flozell Adams went down...he's good but he's not an elite tackle.
Huh? Was that someone else wearing his number? Or was the video altered to show something that didn't happen? How can you say he's not as bad as these clips make him look?
Granted, the video doesn't show many good plays, but it shows how bad he looks on certain plays (and the camera doesn't lie).
dbair1967
09-14-2006, 12:55 PM
holy crap people...the guys 340-350 lbs and is coming off torn knee ligaments, and injury he suffered during last season...he got very little time in TC and preseason because of a calf injury...he gave up one sack and a couple of pressures and people are diving off the freaking cliff
Adams will be fine, he just needs more work...I suspect he'll be closer to 100% by the end of October
David
Yakuza Rich
09-14-2006, 12:58 PM
Even the holding call on Flozell wasn't all that bad. He technically did hold Spicer for about a millisecond, but let go. There were plenty of more severe holds in that game by both teams that weren't called.
I've charted the game, Flozell wasn't as bad as some people say. And he clearly wasn't "holding on every play." Problem was that he'd play well for a stretch, then make a couple of bad plays that really killed some drives. I don't think he was anywhere near as poor as Torrin Tucker was last year.
YAKUZA
Juke99
09-14-2006, 12:59 PM
Huh? Was that someone else wearing his number? Or was the video altered to show something that didn't happen? How can you say he's not as bad as these clips make him look?
Granted, the video doesn't show many good plays, but it shows how bad he looks on certain plays (and the camera doesn't lie).
OY.
Have you ever had a bad day in your life?
How 'bout we video tape it and say that's YOU...not that it's a bad day for you...but that's YOU.
My point was pretty obvious. He's not an elite tackle. In fact, I think he's only a bit better than an average tackle.
But he's typical peformance is not as bad as that game.
Is that more clear for you?
DLCassidy
09-14-2006, 01:12 PM
OY.
Have you ever had a bad day in your life?
How 'bout we video tape it and say that's YOU...not that it's a bad day for you...but that's YOU.
My point was pretty obvious. He's not an elite tackle. In fact, I think he's only a bit better than an average tackle.
But he's typical peformance is not as bad as that game.
Is that more clear for you?
Sounds like the back and forth on the QB issue except we're missing the "play McQuistan now" threads.
Sam I Am
09-14-2006, 01:21 PM
That was all footwork problems. Everytime Spicer went wide Flo's feet were in the wrong place. He didn't have any leverage. Hopefully he will fix those problems this week....
Hoofbite
09-14-2006, 01:22 PM
Looks like there are 2 plays whre flozell did well but a blitz stopped the play.......don't really know what you could do there.
AdamJT13
09-14-2006, 01:39 PM
the last play that was an INT had nothing to do with flo, you are right. but in almost every play spicer was getting the best of flo even if bledose got the pass off in time, it still was obvious that spicer owned him.
Spicer "owned" him on what, five plays? Six plays? Adams had a handful of bad plays -- too many, of course -- but he still played better than either of our tackles last season did in most games. Adams had a bad game, but many tackles have played far worse.
Why doesn't DB step up in the pocket to avoid these ends running around tackles?
Yakuza Rich
09-14-2006, 02:06 PM
Spicer "owned" him on what, five plays? Six plays? Adams had a handful of bad plays -- too many, of course -- but he still played better than either of our tackles last season did in most games. Adams had a bad game, but many tackles have played far worse.
Spicer owned Flozell probably not even on that much. And the sack came in the last drive.
After I initially saw the game, I was pretty down on Flozell's play, but thought that Spicer's play didn't have a huge impact on the game. When I charted the game last night, Flozell's play was much better than I originally thought. He still had too many poor plays and somebody like Umenyiora will probably eat him alive, but he doesn't deserve to have his head served on a platter.
Plus, when I charted the game, Bledsoe was god awful and made a ton of bad decisions. If Bledsoe plays an average game, we probably win the game handily and the plays that Flozell played poorly probably never occur.
YAKUZA
Yakuza Rich
09-14-2006, 02:08 PM
Why doesn't DB step up in the pocket to avoid these ends running around tackles?
He did on occasion. On his second INT Stroud got upfield but was blocked past Bledsoe. Bledsoe started to run and then threw the ball on the run and it was picked off by Griesen. But, if Bledsoe would have just stepped up a couple of paces, he had plenty of time and a great pocket to throw in. Instead, he rushed his throw to Glenn for really no reason and it was picked off.
YAKUZA
CATCH17
09-14-2006, 02:19 PM
Looks like he wasn't fully recovered from that strained leg muscle.
I think that is the main weakness in Bledsoe. He doesn't understand his pocket very well. He doesn't know which OL is having trouble against a particular DL and try to move a little away from them or slide in a way that gives him more time. He just drops back 7 steps and looking downfield all the time. JMO
He did on occasion. On his second INT Stroud got upfield but was blocked past Bledsoe. Bledsoe started to run and then threw the ball on the run and it was picked off by Griesen. But, if Bledsoe would have just stepped up a couple of paces, he had plenty of time and a great pocket to throw in. Instead, he rushed his throw to Glenn for really no reason and it was picked off.
YAKUZA
Yakuza Rich
09-14-2006, 03:30 PM
I think that is the main weakness in Bledsoe. He doesn't understand his pocket very well. He doesn't know which OL is having trouble against a particular DL and try to move a little away from them or slide in a way that gives him more time. He just drops back 7 steps and looking downfield all the time. JMO
Problem is on that Interception Stroud made some penetration, but he was blocked pretty well by Rivera, so Rivera didn't have problems with him. My guess is that when Bledsoe stepped up in the pocket, he thought there was going to be somebody there to sack him. But in reality he had a great pocket and lots of time to throw.
YAKUZA
I agree. He is kind of hurrying his throws as if he is going to be hit by somebody right after the throw when in reality, he could have hold the ball a little longer (may be he is trying not to do that) and make better decisions
Problem is on that Interception Stroud made some penetration, but he was blocked pretty well by Rivera, so Rivera didn't have problems with him. My guess is that when Bledsoe stepped up in the pocket, he thought there was going to be somebody there to sack him. But in reality he had a great pocket and lots of time to throw.
YAKUZA
Its obvious from the video that Adams is not putting full pressure on that left leg. I am not sure if its the calf injury or his knee. Does anyone remember which knee was operated on and which calf was injured. That will point us in right direction but its clear that left leg is maybe only 75% functional.
Cowboys&Caps
09-14-2006, 04:36 PM
All of the plays have something to do with Adams.
He is either committing a penalty, giving up a sack, missing a block, or just taking the play off.
hence the Adams low light clip....its about him:rolleyes:
yea he played awful. i daresay we woulda won if he had been even competent
SultanOfSix
09-14-2006, 04:56 PM
hence the Adams low light clip....its about him:rolleyes:
yea he played awful. i daresay we woulda won if he had been even competent
How about if Bledsoe had been competent?
Glenn Carano
09-14-2006, 05:04 PM
Give the guy a break. It is his first game back after major surgery. He will get better as the season goes on. Bank on it.
:hammer:
SuspectCorner
09-14-2006, 05:21 PM
Ok..check out this video. Floz Adams played a terrible game.
I've said this from day 1...LT is a problem.
In any case...check out our LT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Sd96RSImE
others can quibble about your editing but i got your point. flozell does not have a good base right now. he gets little if any push off his left leg - he looks like he's dragging it around with him.
definitely not encouraging.
JPostSam
09-14-2006, 05:57 PM
he made spicer look like reggie white.
looked like he couldn't plant his foot. not good.
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