Foley said officer who shot him was trying to end his career

[JVita17]

By ALLISON HOFFMAN, Associated Press Writer
September 15, 2006

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SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Chargers linebacker Steve Foley told the off-duty police officer who shot him at least three times, "You're trying to end my career, man," according to a sheriff's department report obtained Friday by The Associated Press.

Foley made the comment after he was shot Sept. 3 outside his home, the report written by San Diego Sheriff's Deputy Robert Tockstein said. Tockstein, the first deputy to arrive after the shooting, wrote the report the day of the shooting.

The off-duty Coronado police officer, Aaron Mansker, followed Foley's restored 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme about 30 miles on the freeway on suspicion that the driver was drunk, the report said.

The shooting occurred when Foley got out of his car outside his home in suburban Poway, with the report saying Mansker fired after the 6-foot-4, 265-pound football player reached into his pants with his right hand.

Foley said, "You shot me in the knee," but continued approaching Mansker, who shot at least three more rounds at Foley before the player "went down" and fell unconscious, the report said.
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Foley, who had been partying in downtown San Diego, had a blood-alcohol level of 0.233 percent, nearly three times California's legal limit of 0.08 percent.

Mansker has been placed on paid administrative leave.

The 31-year-old Foley will miss the season.

His agent, David Levine, said earlier this week that Foley was hospitalized in fair condition with two gunshot wounds in his lower left leg and one on his thigh. Sheriff's officials have said Foley was shot in the hand.

Levine did not immediately return a phone message Friday.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ah4_zdUVjcY5lPcuQe1YUfNDubYF?slug=ap-chargers-foleyshot&prov=ap&type=lgns (Foley Story)

[Sam I Am]

The way I see it if you were in this position, you were trying to end you're own career. Don't be an idiot. Next!

[JVita17]

The way I see it if you were in this position, you were trying to end you're own career. Don't be an idiot. Next!


get real would you stop for a person in streets clothes in there personal car trying to pull you over when your an NFL star?!?! i wouldnt even stop not for a person in that situation nor would i of i had any kind of fame, Foley was in the wrong by drinking and driving but the cop was in the wrong for shoot him without an jurisdiction to do so

[CaptainQuint]

I thought that police, even in uniform, were supposed to fire only when threatened by suspects with guns.
In this case, the San Diego Police Department deliberately targeted Foley, and ended his career.
Revenge was the police department's motive. (SD Police claim that Foley had punched a cop in April)

[JackMagist]

This entire incident reeks of police malfeasance. First, you don't follow someone 30 miles on suspicion of drunk driving. You call it in if you are an off duty cop and let a black and white with uniformed cops handle it. Then to shot the guy three times when you still have not seen a gun in his hand...gotta wonder what's up with that. This whole thing is hinky as hell and I bet Foley will be retiring with a bag full of taxpayer's money after he sues the hell out of the Police Department.

[Gfunk]

and police wonder why we call them pigs

[risco]

The way I see it if you were in this position, you were trying to end you're own career. Don't be an idiot. Next!


????:rolleyes:

[KD]

and police wonder why we call them pigs

I hate cops more than skins. That's ALOT of hate.

I know there are good ones, and have met a few. But most are p*****... and this is based on my personal experience as well as MANY PEOPLE, from all different walks of life, that I have spoken with.

[haasbro]

And it took 30 miles to decide whether or not he was driving drunk? What about a call to an on-duty officer to pull him over if he was posing a threat to himself and others while operating the vehicle?

....smells funny to me.

[the kid 05]

I thought that police, even in uniform, were supposed to fire only when threatened by suspects with guns.
In this case, the San Diego Police Department deliberately targeted Foley, and ended his career.
Revenge was the police department's motive. (SD Police claim that Foley had punched a cop in April)


very true, now we are going to have the S.D. Riots instead of the L.A. Riots because of this :bang2:

[Tuna Helper]

very true, now we are going to have the S.D. Riots instead of the L.A. Riots because of this :bang2:

Maybe Ice-T can make an album out of the whole situation like he did back then.

[Tuna Helper]

and police wonder why we call them pigs

I can't stand any of them. Never met one that I liked.

I don't know much about San Diego, but I do know that Houston is the worst city for a visitor. You will always get pulled over if you have out of state tags.

You can't blow wind in Houston without getting a ticket.

[JackMagist]

Maybe Ice-T can make an album out of the whole situation like he did back then.Ice-T is too busy playing a cop on TV to be singing about killing them again.

[silverbear]

get real would you stop for a person in streets clothes in there personal car trying to pull you over when your an NFL star?!?! i wouldnt even stop not for a person in that situation nor would i of i had any kind of fame, Foley was in the wrong by drinking and driving but the cop was in the wrong for shoot him without an jurisdiction to do so

If he had no jurisdiction to shoot, how come he hasn't been charged with a crime??

[silverbear]

I thought that police, even in uniform, were supposed to fire only when threatened by suspects with guns.
In this case, the San Diego Police Department deliberately targeted Foley,

Oh, gimme a break...

and ended his career.

Except I haven't read anywhere that his career is over...

Revenge was the police department's motive.

That's right, they POURED all that liquor down his throat (do you even know how much liquor it would take for a 265 pounder to register a .233 blood alcohol??

I'm guessing you've had your own run-ins with the law, and just WANT this to be a case of them "targeting" Foley...

Even so, it's quite asinine for you state so certainly what their alleged "motive" was...

[silverbear]

I hate cops more than skins. That's ALOT of hate.

I know there are good ones, and have met a few. But most are p*****... and this is based on my personal experience as well as MANY PEOPLE, from all different walks of life, that I have spoken with.

And I've never had a problem with a cop in my life... in fact, it pisses my nephew off, the last two times I've been hauled over (once for speeding, once for a rolling stop at a stop sign, both times I was quite guilty), they let me off with a warning...

Gee, you don't reckon that maybe that's because I didn't give them a ration of crap for doing their job, do ya??

I'm sure some of the folks so quick to hate on the cops in these threads have legitimate cause, that they were mistreated... I'm equally sure the vast majority of you who "hate the cops" gave those cops good reason to give you trouble...

[KD]

If he had no jurisdiction to shoot, how come he hasn't been charged with a crime??

I thought the case was still under investigation and that he was on paid leave? Maybe charges will be brought up at some point.

And in case you missed it, here's the latest.

PROSECUTORS WANT TO TEST FOLEY FOR 'ROIDS

In a bizarre development from a case with more bizarre developments than a weekend at Neverland Ranch, prosecutors want to test Chargers linebacker Steve Foley for performance-enhancing drugs (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/09/14/bc.fbn.chargers.foleyshroids.ap/index.html).

Per the AP, the request was made as part of an affidavit that also revealed Foley's blood alcohol concentration to be 0.233 percent, nearly three times the legal limit of 0.08 percent.

"His history of aggressive and even violent contact with law enforcement indicates the possibility of more than mere alcohol involvement," wrote criminal investigator Dan Nordell in the affidavit. "[Steroids] can cause erratic behavior in those that use them. This has been given names like 'roid rage for the uncontrollable outbursts and violence experienced by some users."

Fine, but what in the hell does that have to do with whether Foley committed a crime on the night he was shot three times by an off-duty cop 28 miles outside of his jurisdiction?

Our guess? Law enforcement is looking to harvest some evidence that could be used to smear Foley if/when he files a lawsuit to seek fair compensation for the injuries sustained when a former college rent-a-cop decided to play Starsky and Hutch, shooting him twice in the back of the leg and once in the thigh.

In our "day job" experiences, we've learned that this is a common tactic of companies and organizations made to answer in a court of law for their potential wrongdoing. Instead of focusing on offering up an acceptable explanation for their own conduct, the goal becomes to throw as much mud as possible at the plaintiff, in the hopes that the jury will find the party seeking compensation to be unworthy of an award.

Meanwhile, it'll be very interesting to hear how Foley ended up getting shot in the back of the leg twice, given that he supposedly was in position to fetch a gun from his pants and shoot Deputy Dawg.

[Scotman]

I guess I'm in the minority. While I don't understand why he followed him for 30 miles (call for back up or something), I don't think anyone here can say the guy simply targeted him. If the cop determines he needs to pull him over and finds the guy is completely toasted; he refuses to follow directions; he has a history of assaulting police officers,;he reaches into his pocket (supposedly appearing to be reaching for something); and continues to approach the office when told to stop; he's 6'4" and well over 200 pounds; it could very well be that the cop shot him because of those reasons.

I've been stopped before, long ago, for speeding and various other issues as a youngster, I've never once been treated any differently than I deserved.

[GoCowboysGo]

he's 6'4" and well over 200 pounds

What do his height and weight have to do with it?

The officer followed him in his privately owned vehicle! Would you have pulled over Scotman? I wouldn't have. I wouldn't trust people in SOCAL that much, especially when he is an NFL player. Players are tought not to trust people by the NFL during their mandatory meetings about being targets.

Shot him TWICE in the BACK of the leg. What angle did the officer fire from?

Being in the Army, I'm definitely not a police officer hater. So don't even think about that!

Of course, I woldn't have been DWI:0

[ghst187]

Oh, gimme a break...



Except I haven't read anywhere that his career is over...



That's right, they POURED all that liquor down his throat (do you even know how much liquor it would take for a 265 pounder to register a .233 blood alcohol??

I'm guessing you've had your own run-ins with the law, and just WANT this to be a case of them "targeting" Foley...

Even so, it's quite asinine for you state so certainly what their alleged "motive" was...

:hammer:

yep, that was a heckuva lot of alcohol. That's pretty close to comatose or alcohol poisoning I believe. I don't know if there were any vendettas or other motives but the bottomline is that Foley ended his own career by choosing to get that smashed and drive. What if Foley ended someone else's LIFE because he smashed into them driving drunk? Is Foley's "career" worth more than someone's life?
And what about the cop....if the cop waits...and the thing Foley is pulling from his pocket IS a gun, then its too late for the cop.

and if Foley punched a cop...why didn't he get arrested and suspended for that? Maybe if he had, it would've been a wakeup call. I don't know.

It all started with Foley's bad decision to get crazy smashed and drive. Certainly there should be some investigation into the shooting....but I think at this point the burden of proof is on Foley rather than on the cop since Foley doesn't deny the cop's story and the reports show a ridiculous BAC.
Although I will also say that an offduty cop 30 miles outside his juridiction should've called for someone ON DUTY and IN jurisdiction to make that stop. That was stupid.
The law enforcement is definitely not perfect but I don't think that justifies people's hate and disrespect for the law. For the most part, when i don't break the law, I don't seem to have any problems with law enforcement...funny how that works.

But I think the fact that Foley could've very easily smashed into a killed some completely innocent family is the far greatest evil in it all. I don't want that to be my family.

[63echo]

What do his height and weight have to do with it?



Height and weight have everything to do with why this officer may get cleared, though his being off-duty may have a bearing on this case, depending on department guidelines.

Firearms policies in many (I'd say the majority, but I don't know for sure) areas say that an officer is justified in firing if he believes that he (or someone else) is in serious physical jeapordy...regardless of whether the "offender" has a firearm, knife, bullwhip, whatever.

Because this guy is a football player, and could likely kill people with his bare hands (don't laugh, I'm being serious here), I think he was justified in shooting.

Foley is lucky he wasn't killed.

That said, the officer shouldn't have ever put himself in the position to need to shoot someone. That was a bad, bad decision on his part.

Someone else said he should've waited for uniformed officers to effect the stop. That's absolutely correct, and this officer (probably a rookie and full of himself and his authority) probably won't last long on the force, even if he gets cleared for this incident.




First post, by the way. Holler!

[GoCowboysGo]

...I think he was justified in shooting.

63E (is that an MOS?), dude, he shot the player twice from behind!

Doesn't that sound any alarms?

I hate to say it, but so often a big black man is often seen as threatening just because he is big and black. I also think he was targeted. Followed for 30 MILES, come on.

He was so drunk to boot. His motor skills just to walk must have been severly impaired, how could he have even been a threat, much less walk.

Also, doesn't anyone here think this officer used his own car to avoid the dashboard cameras that are on patrol cars?

BTW, I brought up the race question without accusing 63E of anything. Just wanted to make that clear.

[CrazyCowboy]

This situation is just a shame.........

[Scotman]

What do his height and weight have to do with it?

The officer followed him in his privately owned vehicle! Would you have pulled over Scotman? I wouldn't have. I wouldn't trust people in SOCAL that much, especially when he is an NFL player. Players are tought not to trust people by the NFL during their mandatory meetings about being targets.

Shot him TWICE in the BACK of the leg. What angle did the officer fire from?

Being in the Army, I'm definitely not a police officer hater. So don't even think about that!

Of course, I woldn't have been DWI:0

His height and weight are a big deal. He would be extremely intimidating even if he were not drunk. Drunk and with a history of violence on top of being a physically intimidating human, all come together to make for a compelling argument.

Don't get me wrong, the cop may have been completely out of order. I just don't know. I wasn't there.

[Tass]

When a guy is pointing a gun at you, you are a moron if you approach him when told not to...I don't care if he's a cop or not. Speaking as a CCW holder that lives in Texas, I know that the law HERE says you can shoot someone to 'protect yourself or someone else or to protect yours or someone elses property.' So in Texas that cop wouldn't be in trouble at all.

http://www.themarksman.net/images/products/10022

BTW, there's the gun I carry. .40 cal with Hydra-Shok hollow points. Woot!

[jman]

Mister Pig.. I mean.. Mister "mankster" was placed on paid leave?

I'll throw down $50 pay to have this pig shot 3 times in the leg

So...are you saying you want to pay someone to commit a crime on your behalf?

You have just solicited an illegal act for monetary gain. And in doing so, may have committed a crime with this post.

What an idiot. No matter what you were thinking when you wrote it...or maybe in this case wasn't thinking at all.

I don't understand the contempt some of you have for authority. I can only imagine, you are young and inexperienced and the only trouble you have really had is the police has at one time (or several) put a stop to your parting.

[Big Dakota]

So...are you saying you want to pay someone to commit a crime on your behalf?

You have just solicited an illegal act for monetary gain. And in doing so, may have committed a crime with this post.

What an idiot. No matter what you were thinking when you wrote it...or maybe in this case wasn't thinking at all.

I don't understand the contempt some of you have for authority. I can only imagine, you are young and inexperienced and the only trouble you have really had is the police has at one time (or several) put a stop to your parting.



I can't believe with that post that this thread is still here. This thread has gone way too far and at this point IMHO reflects very poorly on this site.

[JackMagist]

This is the first I've read that he was shot in the BACK of the leg. I cannot think of a situation where it would be permissible for a cop to shot a man from behind when he was under suspicion of DWI?

There are just too many holes in this cops story. Suspicious action #1 is to follow the guy 30 miles outside his jurisdiction instead of calling it in to the appropriate jurisdiction to be handled by on duty officers. Suspicious action #2 is to confront the man while in street cloths and driving a civilian vehicle for a crime commonly handled almost exclusively by uniformed officers. Suspicious action #3 is to shot the guy in the BACK of the leg...TWICE.

Of course I have not heard all of the evidence but from the bits and pieces I have read it sounds like this particular cop was so far in the wrong he will be lucky to not be in jail after this is over...much less have a job. And it sounds like the public will be safer without him on the streets with a gun. The SD Police Dept better be figuring out how they are going to pay this lawsuit because it is coming. And there are very few things the common man (who will sit on the jury) hates more than cops who overstep their authority as evidenced by the responses about hating cops in this thread.

As for hating cops; I do not hate cops in general but I am certainly cautious around them. I have meet far too many of them who's only reason for being a cop in the first place was to be allowed to carry a gun and to have authority over others to help them compensate for their own underlying feeling of inadequacy or inferiority. It is a very common psychology among police officers and is the reason that so many people DO hate cops in general. After you have met several of these 'Barney Fife' types you start to really distrust cops in general. And face it, our general tendency is to stereotype groups of individuals; so that becomes what people see as the stereotype for cops. Many cops are like that but not all by any means; there are good cops as well but personally I've met about as many of one type as the other.

[Tricky-22]

Oh, gimme a break...



Except I haven't read anywhere that his career is over...



That's right, they POURED all that liquor down his throat (do you even know how much liquor it would take for a 265 pounder to register a .233 blood alcohol??

I'm guessing you've had your own run-ins with the law, and just WANT this to be a case of them "targeting" Foley...

Even so, it's quite asinine for you state so certainly what their alleged "motive" was...

:hammer:

Police officers have an extremely difficult job. They don't make much money, and they have to put up with verbal abuse. threats against their families, and threats against their own lives on a daily basis.

[JackMagist]

Police officers have an extremely difficult job. They don't make much money, and they have to put up with verbal abuse. threats against their families, and threats against their own lives on a daily basis.All very true and we as citizens have to try to discern which cops are doing their jobs the right way and for the right reasons and which ones are overstepping their authority. Then we have to decide how to react when a cop is overstepping his authority.

You can't tell me that we should just go along with them and file a complaint later. There are stories on a daily basis from across the country of cops using their positions of trust to commit terrible crimes such as rape and murder. We as responsible individuals cannot afford to just assume that a cop is in the right just because they do a job that is potentially dangerous. The fact that they WANT to do such a job makes them suspect to begin with. It is something of an oxymoron that the very people we depend upon for our safety and security are made suspect by their very own natures.

[Ludwin]

Though this post is just speculation, I'm sure the officer intiated conversation with Foley before he shot him, and, being drunk, Foley probably paid no attention to him and continued stumbling toward his house. If the officer had a gun out at this point, and someone reaches into their pants, I'm sure the officer (who goes through these kinds of experiences/situations more than anyone on this board) thought he had plenty of justification.

I am in no way justifying this behavior, because tailing someone 30 miles is pretty shadey.

[Duane]

Though this post is just speculation, I'm sure the officer intiated conversation with Foley before he shot him, and, being drunk, Foley probably paid no attention to him and continued stumbling toward his house. If the officer had a gun out at this point, and someone reaches into their pants, I'm sure the officer (who goes through these kinds of experiences/situations more than anyone on this board) thought he had plenty of justification.

I am in no way justifying this behavior, because tailing someone 30 miles is pretty shadey.
You've been here for a while but this is your first post so :welcome:

[DanTanna]

So this player has had 5 violent run-ins with the po-po in the past? And every time it was the po-po's fault. The dude should be locked up forever. This is what happens when you aim too low!

[Kangaroo]

I can't stand any of them. Never met one that I liked.

I don't know much about San Diego, but I do know that Houston is the worst city for a visitor. You will always get pulled over if you have out of state tags.

You can't blow wind in Houston without getting a ticket.

Now I will take offence at that I know a lot of Cops in Houston area not just HPD.

Please I see people with Texas tags pulled over all the time and if you want to know the truth 95% of HPD does not even have radar. Thats right very few HPD can even clock you there is a special traffic Division that does that it is way small.

Harris County Sheriffs and DPS give out a lot of traffic type tickets. Give you a clue about Harris County Sheriffs other than traffic tickets they are pretty lazy.

[AsthmaField]

It just seems like to me, if the off duty police officer wanted to do the right thing and keep Foley from endangering the public with drunk driving, that he would've done something to stop Foley much sooner. When he finally did confront Foley, he had finished driving under the influence. He had driven 30 miles or so and was at home and probably going to bed. The time when he was a danger to the public was over.

I understand that Foley probably wouldn't have pulled over for an unmarked car, but all the off-duty officer had to do was call in a black and white to stop him. By not doing so, he allowed Foley to put people in danger for the entire trip home. By the time he finally did say something to Foley, the player was already off the road for the evening. It just seems wierd that he simply allowed Foley to drive all that distance and that what seemed important to the off-duty cop was punishing Foley... not stopping him from putting people in danger. He didn't think, "I gotta get this guy off of the road before he kills an innocent person." He simply wanted Foley arrested after the fact.

I'm not a police officer... but it can't be difficult to call in a black and white or two, and put a stop to his being on the road, drunk.

Plus, if the officer knew that Foley had a history of violence with police, then he knew who Foley was and that he is an NFL player. And you'd have to think that an NFL player wouldn't be carrying a gun and wouldn't shoot a cop. If the officer didn't know Foley was an NFL player... then he didn't know the Foley had a history of violence with police. He can't have it both ways.

Foley was in the wrong for many things... among them is driving drunk and not putting his hands in the air and stopping when someone had a gun pointed at him. However, he didn't deserve to be shot and because the cop handled it so badly, it came to a point where he had to shoot or risk danger to himself. It never should've reached that point IMO. Foley should've been pulled over about 25 miles earlier by a marked police vehicle and uniformed officers.

[zrinkill]

said something very childish

and he deleted it.

[noshame]

This needs to be deleted right now.

Amen, and then he needs to finish elementary school;)

[Erik_H]

It just seems like to me, if the off duty police officer wanted to do the right thing and keep Foley from endangering the public with drunk driving, that he would've done something to stop Foley much sooner. When he finally did confront Foley, he had finished driving under the influence. He had driven 30 miles or so and was at home and probably going to bed. The time when he was a danger to the public was over.

I understand that Foley probably wouldn't have pulled over for an unmarked car, but all the off-duty officer had to do was call in a black and white to stop him. By not doing so, he allowed Foley to put people in danger for the entire trip home. By the time he finally did say something to Foley, the player was already off the road for the evening. It just seems wierd that he simply allowed Foley to drive all that distance and that what seemed important to the off-duty cop was punishing Foley... not stopping him from putting people in danger. He didn't think, "I gotta get this guy off of the road before he kills an innocent person." He simply wanted Foley arrested after the fact.

I'm not a police officer... but it can't be difficult to call in a black and white or two, and put a stop to his being on the road, drunk.

Plus, if the officer knew that Foley had a history of violence with police, then he knew who Foley was and that he is an NFL player. And you'd have to think that an NFL player wouldn't be carrying a gun and wouldn't shoot a cop. If the officer didn't know Foley was an NFL player... then he didn't know the Foley had a history of violence with police. He can't have it both ways.

Foley was in the wrong for many things... among them is driving drunk and not putting his hands in the air and stopping when someone had a gun pointed at him. However, he didn't deserve to be shot and because the cop handled it so badly, it came to a point where he had to shoot or risk danger to himself. It never should've reached that point IMO. Foley should've been pulled over about 25 miles earlier by a marked police vehicle and uniformed officers.

Ummm...

Yeah. That about sums it up.

[LatinMind]

:hammer:

yep, that was a heckuva lot of alcohol. That's pretty close to comatose or alcohol poisoning I believe. .

u do know that 1 beer is going to give u close to a .06 blood alcohol level right?

i refuse to believe less than 4 beers is going to make a guy the size of foley drunk..

[SupermanXx]

So...are you saying you want to pay someone to commit a crime on your behalf?

You have just solicited an illegal act for monetary gain. And in doing so, may have committed a crime with this post.

What an idiot. No matter what you were thinking when you wrote it...or maybe in this case wasn't thinking at all.

I don't understand the contempt some of you have for authority. I can only imagine, you are young and inexperienced and the only trouble you have really had is the police has at one time (or several) put a stop to your parting.

it's actually funny

I wrote that stupid post last night (or this morning) when I was very drunk

good thing I didn't get shot in the leg 3 times

[SupermanXx]

people do and say stupid things whilst drunk

such as me writing a moronic post last night

and such as getting shot in the back of the leg by someone in civilians a few times after being tailed by an unmarked vehicle for 30 miles in front of my home

[63echo]

63E (is that an MOS?), dude, he shot the player twice from behind!

Doesn't that sound any alarms?


Yeah, that's an MOS holdover from my military days, which are long behind me. Good catch.

Anyway, yeah, the whole situation stinks to high heaven. If dude was shot in the back (of the legs), then that's definite cause for concern. I'm not so paranoid and distru****l (err, mistrusting...the language filter is strict here, eh?) as to say Foley was targeted by a dirty cop, but judgement was bad by both parties.

And Foley being black may well have had something to do with the cop's state of mind, we don't know. But more likely, him being a giant, and him walking towards him, and him "reaching into his jacket," and him driving like a maniac nearly causing several accidents, had more to do with it. I can definitely see where he might have feared for his life.

Look, there's no way in hell I'm trying to say the officer was right...I don't think he was. And further, I think he was totally stupid and shows an alarming lack of judgement for someone that holds a position that he holds. But I don't think the officer set out with the intention of shooting Foley, either.

[ghst187]

u do know that 1 beer is going to give u close to a .06 blood alcohol level right?

i refuse to believe less than 4 beers is going to make a guy the size of foley drunk..

but I would doubt he drank 5 beers and jumped in the car....his BAC was probably higher than that at some point during the night.

[WoodysGirl]

These are a couple articles that came out after a few days... I think it'll provide some more details...
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Many questions, few answers regarding Foley
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What we know: Little. Steve Foley is a Charger, a professional football player. During Sunday morning's wee hours, he was shot near his Poway home by an off-duty Coronado police officer who had been driving an unmarked car.

What we don't know: Plenty. It is a bizarre incident, one in which little information has come forth on either side.

Foley is an athlete. He has had previous problems, most of them alcohol-related (never convicted). He has been shot by a cop. It's 2006. Not a surprise. It's the world in which we live, the world in which we report.

I was told Foley, who is said to be out of danger – although he's been in intensive care – was shot in the leg and hand at 3:41 Sunday morning near his Poway home. I later was told, without specifics, I was misinformed as to the areas of the gunshot wounds. Now I've heard he was hit in the chest, arm and the knee area (an artery). Whatever, he won't play this year.

If this had been the first incident regarding Foley, it might be surprising, only because of the starting linebacker's locker room persona.
“He's a good kid,” Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer says.

Foley seems every bit the ideal teammate. He's a personality. His teammates love him. But, once again, we don't live with him, so we can't really know him, or anybody else who plays games for a living – or anyone who doesn't, for that matter. We can only think we do. We don't know that cop, either, or what the hell he was doing.

In this case, in which reports are sketchy – it's an off-the-field injury, so the team insists information come from other sources – there are far more questions than answers.

“I have no answers,” says David Levine, Foley's Florida-based agent. “I don't even know how to define his condition. He's out of surgery, I can say that. I'll be honest with you, I have no first-hand knowledge. I've already been wrong before. I'm not going to be wrong a second time. I'm not there. Everything I'm getting is from someone else.”

Very confusing. Levine may have been right the first time, about the chest wound. We know who got shot. We don't know where. We don't even know the name of the officer who shot him, and we may never know, the way laws are written.

Fact: In April, Foley was accused of resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and being drunk in public on a University City street. Last week, the District Attorney's Office dropped the charges.

That Foley was out with a female companion after 3 a.m. is not surprising. He was returning from an annual dinner thrown for veterans by rookies at a downtown restaurant.

Questions:

Was he driving drunk? (His female companion, Lisa Maree Gaut, has been charged on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon – she allegedly drove the vehicle in the officer's direction – and driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.)

What was the off-duty police officer doing out after 3 in the morning?

What exactly happened involving the officer and his call for help? (There are signs on our freeways this weekend pleading for motorists who think they've spotted a drunk driver to call 911.)

Was there any particular reason Foley should have believed a man driving a plain car after 3 a.m. who had followed him for 10 miles was a real policeman?

When Foley reached in his pocket, was he going for his wallet, gum or was he armed?

Did the officer properly identify himself?

Did the police have it out for Foley regarding the April incident? Are there racial profiling overtones to this?

“Was the officer white?” asks Levine. “I don't know. This guy's out after 3 in the morning and follows someone 10 miles and he's not recognized as a police officer. You don't call for help? And the person you're following is outside his own house? I don't even know how far Steve was from him when he was shot. Every side of this is bizarre.”

What isn't bizarre is Foley's track record. He's had problems before, having enrolled in the NFL's alcohol program. If nothing else, the time has come for him to be responsible for his off-the-field actions. This incident might also have had alcohol on its breath.

What I don't get is why millionaires drive after a night on the town. I hate to drive sober. Call a cab. Hire a limo. You're mortal.

Given this, it's difficult to forecast how this will affect the team, which opens its season Monday night in Oakland. The Chargers are very deep at linebacker, but Foley is a starter, and he's now lost for the season, at least.

“He's down for the year,” General Manager A.J. Smith says. “I had to make that decision because I don't believe, from the medical information I've gathered, he'll be able to help us this year.”

Lesser incidents have been distractions.

“That's absolutely a legitimate question,” Smith says, “and I don't have an answer to it. This is a tight-knit group of players. It's a fact of life. You deal with it and move forward.”

Forward from what? If we only knew.

LINK (http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060905/news_1s5canepa.html)

[WoodysGirl]

Chargers linebacker apparently was unarmed when shot by officer
By BERNIE WILSON, AP Sports Writer
September 5, 2006

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Chargers linebacker Steve Foley apparently was unarmed when an off-duty Coronado police officer shot him near his upscale suburban home, authorities said Tuesday.

Foley was wounded early Sunday by officer Aaron Mansker, who joined the Coronado Police Department in August 2005.

"To my knowledge, I don't believe Foley did have a weapon, even though I was told he reached into his waistband with his right hand," said San Diego County sheriff's Lt. Dennis Brugos.

Mansker has been placed on paid administrative leave, said Leah Corbin, a police spokeswoman in Coronado, a wealthy peninsular enclave across the bay from San Diego. She declined to release any other details about the officer.

There was no update Tuesday on Foley's condition. On Monday, his agent, David Levine, said Foley was hospitalized in stable condition. He is on the non-football injured reserve list, meaning he will miss the season and forfeit his pay, estimated at $1.65 million.

The sheriff's department said the shooting occurred after Foley, who is 6-foot-4, 265 pounds, got out of the vehicle near his home in Poway and began walking toward Mansker, who identified himself as an officer, said he was armed and fired a warning shot into the bushes.

Lisa Maree Gaut, a passenger in Foley's vehicle, got behind the wheel and drove toward the police officer, authorities said. Mansker fired two shots at the car and avoided getting struck. Gaut was unharmed.

The sheriff's department said Mansker fired at Foley when Foley reached into his pants with his right hand. He fired again when Foley continued to walk toward him, and then Foley fell to the ground.

The shooting occurred after Mansker followed a suspected drunken driver weaving in freeway traffic at speeds up to 90 mph. The driver nearly collided with several other vehicles.

Foley stopped three times, including at a red light after he got off the freeway. Mansker ordered him to pull over, but Foley drove away.

Brugos said Tuesday that while Mansker was wearing his police badge on the right side of his belt, he didn't believe he showed it to Foley from his car.

Asked if Foley saw the badge, Brugos said he didn't know.

Mansker was on his way home from work when the confrontation occurred, Brugos said.

Mansker graduated from the police academy at Palomar College, said Mark Oggel, a spokesman for San Diego County community college. He did campus security work at Palomar before resigning in August 2005 to take the job in Coronado.

Associated Press writer Allison Hoffman contributed to this story.

Updated on Tuesday, Sep 5, 2006 10:55 pm EDT

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[ccb04]

IIRC ... Foley's previous altercation was with "uniformed" police officers.

It's been said that the officer broadcast calls on multiple channels. Don't know if that's true or not?

Foley's female companion drove his car towards the officer ... and he was coming towards the officer as well.

[JVita17]

If he had no jurisdiction to shoot, how come he hasn't been charged with a crime??


charges WILL come trust me and money willbe in Foleys pocket when its all said and done

[JVita17]

When a guy is pointing a gun at you, you are a moron if you approach him when told not to...I don't care if he's a cop or not. Speaking as a CCW holder that lives in Texas, I know that the law HERE says you can shoot someone to 'protect yourself or someone else or to protect yours or someone elses property.' So in Texas that cop wouldn't be in trouble at all.

http://www.themarksman.net/images/products/10022

BTW, there's the gun I carry. .40 cal with Hydra-Shok hollow points. Woot!


actually he would,my step-dad is a cop in texas and he said that, that guy had no jurisdiction in any kind of way to follow him and pull him over and shoot him, its all racially motivated in the way i see it people are pathetic

[GoCowboysGo]

originally quoted by AsthmaField:

Plus, if the officer knew that Foley had a history of violence with police, then he knew who Foley was and that he is an NFL player. And you'd have to think that an NFL player wouldn't be carrying a gun and wouldn't shoot a cop. If the officer didn't know Foley was an NFL player... then he didn't know the Foley had a history of violence with police. He can't have it both ways.


:hammer:

That's pretty good Asthma!

I may be totally wrong, so please educate me, whoever posted the pic of the luger, isn't that a Nazi weapon? In other words, didn't the Nazi's make Luger what it is today, a weapons giant? Am I wrong? Hope so.

[AsthmaField]

originally quoted by AsthmaField:




:hammer:

That's pretty good Asthma!

I may be totally wrong, so please educate me, whoever posted the pic of the luger, isn't that a Nazi weapon? In other words, didn't the Nazi's make Luger what it is today, a weapons giant? Am I wrong? Hope so.

Thanks dude.

About the gun: Now I'm certainly no weapons expert but that is a Ruger... not a Luger. Ruger is the brand of pistol. A luger is the one's that the Germans used in WWII, yes. But that is different from the one pictured above.

Here is a pic of a Luger that was used in WWII:

http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/!917%20LUGER%20ART/Luger%201917%20Art-6.jpg

[JackMagist]

Lugar is also a brand name though I'm not certain if the company is still around today. But the Lugar pistol was developed long before the Nazi's took over Germany. The Nazi's did use many of the Lugar pistols but they also used a great many Walther (another brand name still in use) model P38 pistols. The Lugar has been popularized in movies as the Nazi weapon of choice because of it's rather distinct and ominous appearance. BTW, the 9 mm caliber ammunition which is so popular today and used in many different brands of weapons (including some Rugar models) was originally developed by the Lugar Company for their pistol and for many years was known as the "9mm Lugar" caliber.

Totally off topic but I thought I’d throw it in since it was being discussed :D

[trueblue1687]

I thought I had read some retarded posts before, but some of you guys take the cake. Here are a few points for you L.A. law wannabes to consider:

1. Police officers do not, and cannot wait for someone to shoot or hit them before using force if they are attempting an arrest or giving lawful commands. Think about that a minute...how would it be beneficial for a cop to wait for someone to shoot at him/her before the cop could shoot?? DUH.

2. Foley was drunk....BAD drunk! The Einstein who said one beer will give you a .06BAC needs to think again. A 260lb man would need to consume 4 or 5 12oz beers to even reach .06, let alone .23 .

3. Reports say that Foley was driving 90+ mph. Simple math will tell you that he traveled 1.5 miles every minute. Now kids how long would it take to travel 30 miles?? Entirely conceivable the officer's back-up couldn't catch up to him or there weren't car's available.

4. The search for steroids in the blood sample from Foley is likely a result of the D.A. wanting to make a stronger case rather than the P.D. Obviously trying to show his history of aggression toward others.

5. The internal investigation is standard in most departments when a shooting occurs.

6. Who said the officer even knew who the hell Foley was, let alone his life story about aggression, Pro athlete, etc??? Haven't seen that reported anywhere.

I guess the funny part is all the clowns here who ***** so much about police officers being trash, etc. In my 15 years as a cop, they are typically the ones who have had their drawers jerked up their behind and are the first to call begging for help from "Barney Fife". I've literally met thousands of guys just like that.:lmao2:They're also the ones who have tasted the sytstem a few times and resent anybody associated with it.

It's easy to armchair QB this situation on both sides, but the reality is there isn't much info that is pertinent to the incident being released (again...very USUAL ubtil it is ajudicated).