Is it too late to draft a QB next year?

[ghst187]

A lot of us watch a lot of college football and "scout" for our Boys all season long. My thought process has been that next offseason was about the last offseason we had if we were going to draft Bledsoe's successor because Drew only had 2-3 more quality seasons left at most.
After the last 7 games I've seen of Bledsoe, plus given the ages of our WRs, and BPs longevity, is it too late to draft a Bledsoe successor? I'm beginning to think it is. All of us, esp me, would love to see us draft the next franchise QB like maybe a Quinn or Brohm but I really don't think we have that kind of time anymore.
I think we're watching about the last gasp of Bledsoe this year unless something dramatic happens. After this year I think its either going to be Romo's show or else we'll bring in another veteran. I don't think we're going to go after a 1st round QB at all. I could see us picking up a mid-round QB to slowly develop for backup purposes but we may have already, either purposely or not, charted our course somewhat at QB. It looks like Bledsoe, Romo, unknown vet, or bust for the next few years at QB.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Well if its not the "Romo" Show next year we should definately take a run at Brohm in the first round (Thats if he comes out). But if Romo is starting at QB next year and looks like he is going to become the real thing we should draft a QB in the later rounds for depth and a backup which would be nice. Possibly a Drew Tate who would be a project player and not your typical pocket passing QB or Trent Edwards. I like all 3 of the QBs...

Hopefully we can see some Romozilla this season just so we have an indication what we might get from him the following season.

[jman]

Since next years draft hasn't happened yet...then no, it's not too late.

[Hostile]

A lot of us watch a lot of college football and "scout" for our Boys all season long. My thought process has been that next offseason was about the last offseason we had if we were going to draft Bledsoe's successor because Drew only had 2-3 more quality seasons left at most.
After the last 7 games I've seen of Bledsoe, plus given the ages of our WRs, and BPs longevity, is it too late to draft a Bledsoe successor? I'm beginning to think it is. All of us, esp me, would love to see us draft the next franchise QB like maybe a Quinn or Brohm but I really don't think we have that kind of time anymore.
I think we're watching about the last gasp of Bledsoe this year unless something dramatic happens. After this year I think its either going to be Romo's show or else we'll bring in another veteran. I don't think we're going to go after a 1st round QB at all. I could see us picking up a mid-round QB to slowly develop for backup purposes but we may have already, either purposely or not, charted our course somewhat at QB. It looks like Bledsoe, Romo, unknown vet, or bust for the next few years at QB.If Brohm comes out he may drop due to the injury he suffered today. I prefer QBs to play their Senior year because I think it really helps their development and maturity. As a Junior coming out most of these guys are 21 or 22 years old. It isn't easy for someone that young to order around vested veterans. One year doesn't make a huge difference but I just think there is something about being a Senior QB.

If he were to drop within our range, I would definitely quit trying to win the lottery and I'd draft the kid. It's still a big if.

I worry that people will start getting on the bandwagons of guys like Drew Tate, who is only 6'0" and 192 pounds, or Troy Smith who is only 6'1" and 215. Good college QBs who will likely struggle in the NFL. Why people can't figure that out is always a little baffling to me.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

I worry that people will start getting on the bandwagons of guys like Drew Tate, who is only 6'0" and 192 pounds, or Troy Smith who is only 6'1" and 215. Good college QBs who will likely struggle in the NFL. Why people can't figure that out is always a little baffling to me.

Yeah thats true but Tate is a good project player, i mean you dont go wasting one of your 1st 2nd or 3rd picks on him but he would be a good option the 5th that is if some other team doesnt gamble on him with a higher pick. He has good arm strength to go along with good agility and better than average speed for a QB.

[Hostile]

Yeah thats true but Tate is a good project player, i mean you dont go wasting one of your 1st 2nd or 3rd picks on him but he would be a good option the 5th that is if some other team doesnt gamble on him with a higher pick. He has good arm strength to go along with good agility and better than average speed for a QB.That just doesn't mean much to me. Let me give you an example. Ty Detmer re-wrote the college record books for passing. All he has ever been is a career backup. At this point, meaning Bledsoe nearing the end of the line and Romo potentially unsigned and testing Free Agency as well as unproven, we would need more than a career backup.

[jay cee]

If Brohm comes out he may drop due to the injury he suffered today. I prefer QBs to play their Senior year because I think it really helps their development and maturity. As a Junior coming out most of these guys are 21 or 22 years old. It isn't easy for someone that young to order around vested veterans. One year doesn't make a huge difference but I just think there is something about being a Senior QB.

If he were to drop within our range, I would definitely quit trying to win the lottery and I'd draft the kid. It's still a big if.

I worry that people will start getting on the bandwagons of guys like Drew Tate, who is only 6'0" and 192 pounds, or Troy Smith who is only 6'1" and 215. Good college QBs who will likely struggle in the NFL. Why people can't figure that out is always a little baffling to me.
Are you saying that their lack of ideal height will make them struggle in the NFL?

[Deep_Freeze]

We better hope that Romo is our future, if we have to depend on some guy we get late in the draft, it will be to our detriment.

[Hostile]

Are you saying that their lack of ideal height will make them struggle in the NFL?Yes, I am. Shorter than 6'3" is a risk IMO.

[jay cee]

Yes, I am. Shorter than 6'3" is a risk IMO.
I don't like it either, I think it forces you to have to do things like roll outs to get the QB out where he can see.

That limits the things you can do.

But I would rather a 6'1 qb with good mobility than a 6'4 statue like Bledsoe though. Especially with the Cowboys suspect o-line.

[Hostile]

I don't like it either, I think it forces you to have to do things like roll outs to get the QB out where he can see.

That limits the things you can do.

But I would rather a 6'1 qb with good mobility than a 6'4 statue like Bledsoe though. Especially with the Cowboys suspect o-line.Not me. We talked earlier about Jamarcus Russell. I'd rather have someone like that at 6'6". I think he's got work to do, but I also think he's mature enough to do the work.

I'm still an elitest though. Neither option is truly palatable to me at this point.

[The Fonz]

Yes, I am. Shorter than 6'3" is a risk IMO.
you are right but that not the case all the time size is not everything look at Doug Flutie ( Height: 5-10 ) yet he was one good QB.

[Hostile]

you are right but that not the case all the time size is not everything look at Doug Flutie ( Height: 5-10 ) yet he was one good QB.He was and so was Jim McMahon, and I remain glad we never had either at QB. No one needs to agree with me, but it is a handicap at this level.

[jay cee]

you are right but that not the case all the time size is not everything look at Doug Flutie ( Height: 5-10 ) yet he was one good QB.
In sports nothing is the case all the time, I think Fran Tarkington was only slightly over 6'0.

But I think good height does have its advantages.

[jay cee]

Not me. We talked earlier about Jamarcus Russell. I'd rather have someone like that at 6'6". I think he's got work to do, but I also think he's mature enough to do the work.

I'm still an elitest though. Neither option is truly palatable to me at this point.
I'm not an elitest, I just want the Cowboys to get a guy that can play at a high level.:)

[tar_heel16]

Am I the only person here that has a good feeling about Drew Stanton?

[Hostile]

Am I the only person here that has a good feeling about Drew Stanton?No, I like him a lot. I'm not sure he's a 1st rounderat this point, but if we took him on Day 1 I'd probably be pretty happy about it. He could move up draft boards pretty fast. Toughness is always respected and he's tough.

[Eddie]

I that Kellen Clemmons guy the Jet's took in the 2nd round may have good potential down the line. If we could have only moved up a few spots to snag him.

I'd definitely give up Tony Fasano and a late rounder to move up and get Clemmons. At least we'd have a possible future at QB.

[Sitting Bull]

I really like Jordan Palmer's game, pedigree and measurables (6'5, 235). Yes, he throws a lot of picks, but Price hasn't had time to cycle thru players recruited on his success at UTEP and I think Palmer is just a competitor who sometimes tries to do too much. I think he's a top 3 QB- I just don't think I can stomach the season we'd have to have in order to be in a position to draft him.

[Hostile]

I really like Jordan Palmer's game, pedigree and measurables (6'5, 235) but I don't think I can stomach the season we'd have to have in order to be in a position to draft him.You think he'd go high in the 1st round?

[jay cee]

You think he'd go high in the 1st round?
Last year the Cowboys missed the playoffs and drafted 18th right?

With a strong season and his brothers success, I think Palmer could probably go higher than that.

If that is so, I'm hoping the Cowboys are not in a position to draft him.:D

[tar_heel16]

I that Kellen Clemmons guy the Jet's took in the 2nd round may have good potential down the line. If we could have only moved up a few spots to snag him.

Umm, we dealt the pick that Clemmens was drafted with to the Jets in order to move down and secure another pick, so we could have easily had him if we wanted him.

[davidyee]

At this point, meaning Bledsoe nearing the end of the line and Romo potentially unsigned and testing Free Agency as well as unproven, we would need more than a career backup.

...I would be more than happy to see the Cowboys consistently draft or bring in career backups seeing what the market has been lately for these guys.

If we can draft these guys at the sixth, seventh or pick them up FA and turn them into fourth round or better trades at some point in time we would be winning the draft value game.

That doesn't mean we have a starter on our team, but it would turn around the misery we have been feeling in our drafts of the mid 90s to early millenium and that would be a bonus in my eyes.

Starters can be had with FA and other trades, but I want to see the Cowboys focus on two areas that I feel has been neglected/underperformed in terms of talent searching - the QB and the O-line.

Also throw in a call for "kicker" too.:o:

BTW, get rid of that ridiculous avatar now!

[jay cee]

...I would be more than happy to see the Cowboys consistently draft or bring in career backups seeing what the market has been lately for these guys.

If we can draft these guys at the sixth, seventh or pick them up FA and turn them into fourth round or better trades at some point in time we would be winning the draft value game.

That doesn't mean we have a starter on our team, but it would turn around the misery we have been feeling in our drafts of the mid 90s to early millenium and that would be a bonus in my eyes.

Starters can be had with FA and other trades, but I want to see the Cowboys focus on two areas that I feel has been neglected/underperformed in terms of talent searching - the QB and the O-line.

Also throw in a call for "kicker" too.:o:

BTW, get rid of that ridiculous avatar now!
That's a good plan, David, but I don't think it's possible until they have a good starting QB.

No one is going to trade a 1st day or early 2nd day pick for your backup qb, if you don't even have a top notch starter on your roster.

[Cajuncowboy]

If we lose tonight I think we have a shot at Brady Quinn. :mad:

[Sitting Bull]

You think he'd go high in the 1st round?

At this point I'm just guessing, but I wouldn't be surprised. I look at guys from "third-world D-1 programs" like Cutler, and Rothleisberger before him, who rocketed up the draft boards based on measurables and pre-draft games/workouts and think Palmer could be a similar story. Just his last name ensures he'll be a story. It seems to me that NFL QB evaluation is a game of attrition, with the first rounders being the ones who have prototypical NFL measureables to go along with their college stats.

[fortdick]

Yes, I am. Shorter than 6'3" is a risk IMO.

So these guys couldn't play in the NFL?

Joe Montana
Height: 6' 2'' Weight: 197

Johnny Unitas
Height: 6-1. Weight: 195 pounds.

Steve Young
Height: 6-2; Weight: 215

[davidyee]

That's a good plan, David, but I don't think it's possible until they have a good starting QB.

No one is going to trade a 1st day or early 2nd day pick for your backup qb, if you don't even have a top notch starter on your roster.

... a obvious #1 or three #2's on the roster I think there is some value for other teams looking for QBs.

The position makes coaches and GMs crazy and having an abundance at that position, even if they are only second stringers, should net some value when the offseason/draft comes every spring.

If we became QB U for the NFL I wouldnt mind the benfits of that position. Whether we had a definitive starter or not.

[Hostile]

...I would be more than happy to see the Cowboys consistently draft or bring in career backups seeing what the market has been lately for these guys.

If we can draft these guys at the sixth, seventh or pick them up FA and turn them into fourth round or better trades at some point in time we would be winning the draft value game.

That doesn't mean we have a starter on our team, but it would turn around the misery we have been feeling in our drafts of the mid 90s to early millenium and that would be a bonus in my eyes.

Starters can be had with FA and other trades, but I want to see the Cowboys focus on two areas that I feel has been neglected/underperformed in terms of talent searching - the QB and the O-line.

Also throw in a call for "kicker" too.:o:

BTW, get rid of that ridiculous avatar now!6 days 22 hours and 4 minutes from now, that is exactly what I will be doing. Getting rid of this avatar.

We need to go back to what works David. Then we can do the late round guys to try and find a potential Brady, but it's time to stop experimenting. A true stud QBs works. We've seen it. Let's stop fiddling around with the most important position on the field and probably all of sports.

I'm calling for us to go back to elite QBs in the draft.

[junk]

If Brohm comes out he may drop due to the injury he suffered today. I prefer QBs to play their Senior year because I think it really helps their development and maturity. As a Junior coming out most of these guys are 21 or 22 years old. It isn't easy for someone that young to order around vested veterans. One year doesn't make a huge difference but I just think there is something about being a Senior QB.

If he were to drop within our range, I would definitely quit trying to win the lottery and I'd draft the kid. It's still a big if.

I worry that people will start getting on the bandwagons of guys like Drew Tate, who is only 6'0" and 192 pounds, or Troy Smith who is only 6'1" and 215. Good college QBs who will likely struggle in the NFL. Why people can't figure that out is always a little baffling to me.

If anyone gets on the Drew Tate bandwagon, I'll be there to battle them through the whole process.

If Dallas just avoided Iowa players in general, it'd be alright with me. The guys coming out under Ferentz have generally been overrated in my opinion.

[davidyee]

6 days 22 hours and 4 minutes from now, that is exactly what I will be doing. Getting rid of this avatar.

We need to go back to what works David. Then we can do the late round guys to try and find a potential Brady, but it's time to stop experimenting. A true stud QBs works. We've seen it. Let's stop fiddling around with the most important position on the field and probably all of sports.

I'm calling for us to go back to elite QBs in the draft.

...is available to us in the draft, yes, then let's go after him, but if it's not available, let's not drop picking the raw grapes and trying to ripen them.

What we don't want to do is get tunnel vision and pick out of order as Jerry has want to do.

[jazzcat22]

What no Brady Quinn....:lmao: After what Michigan did to him...he sure didn't look like a Heismann candidate to me :lmao2:

So let me throw this out there, since height is a ? in the NFL. And being an Ohio State fan....how about Troy Smith. Just a thought. :D

[Hostile]

What no Brady Quinn....:lmao: After what Michigan did to him...he sure didn't look like a Heismann candidate to me :lmao2:

So let me throw this out there, since height is a ? in the NFL. And being an Ohio State fan....how about Troy Smith. Just a thought. :DA bad thought at that.

Let's be honest about something with Quinn yesterday.

His first INT was tipped by his target into the defender's hands for a score.

His 3rd INT his arm was being hit as he threw it.

Anyone who thinks this means he doesn't have the tools to succeed is deluded. Quinn is still the best QB in this Draft class.

[jazzcat22]

A bad thought at that.

Let's be honest about something with Quinn yesterday.

His first INT was tipped by his target into the defender's hands for a score.

His 3rd INT his arm was being hit as he threw it.

Anyone who thinks this means he doesn't have the tools to succeed is deluded. Quinn is still the best QB in this Draft class.

I'm not saying he's bad. I wouldn't mind at all if Dallas drafted him. Just had to be sarcastic, that it seemed he had a bad game, just as all QB's do. And there are circumstances that QB's can't control, but yet they still get the blame. just ask Bledsoe, he's heard that crap all week.

[Unforgiven]

What has Tony Romo shown to some of you, that make you think he is not the future at the QB position. He looks pretty promising to me. I'll take my chances with Romo before I would take my chances wasting a high pick on one of those possible busts that some of you have listed.

[Unforgiven]

What no Brady Quinn....:lmao: After what Michigan did to him...he sure didn't look like a Heismann candidate to me :lmao2:

So let me throw this out there, since height is a ? in the NFL. And being an Ohio State fan....how about Troy Smith. Just a thought. :D

Let's see how Smith fares against Michigan, before you put up a post like that.

[Cowboy Lover]

About size...have you seen Troy Smith at Ohio State yet?



Big arm...great strength! He's got a pretty big line in front of him.


6" 1".

[Cowboy Lover]

What no Brady Quinn....:lmao: After what Michigan did to him...he sure didn't look like a Heismann candidate to me :lmao2:

So let me throw this out there, since height is a ? in the NFL. And being an Ohio State fan....how about Troy Smith. Just a thought. :D


Oh...you beat me to it.


I'm seeing throws by this kid that even "tall" QB's :rolleyes::rolleyes: don't make.

Very very strong....body and arm. Accurate. 70% completion yesterday. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?

HE can run, but has learned to prefer to throw. Plays with the BIG BOYS of the Big10.

Unforgiven wants to "wait for Michigan". :banghead:

[jackrussell]

Let's see how Smith fares against Michigan, before you put up a post like that.

Yes, we must decipher a player's abilites to one, single, solitary game against....GASP......MICHIGAN!!!:lmao:

Let's see, how about 2 games he's already played.

vs Mich 2004- 13-23 241 yds 2 TDs 0 INTs
vs Mich 2005- 27-37 300 yds 1 TD 0 INTs

Career vs Mich 40-60 541 yds 3 TDs 0 INTs

Not to mention- 29 carries 182 yds 2 TDs

That's all I got to say about that.

[ghst187]

what about Drew Olson? could be one of those late 1st day picks that could be a good pro....maybe?

[JackMagist]

what about Drew Olson? could be one of those late 1st day picks that could be a good pro....maybe?I haven't seen him play this year...Didn't he get hurt in a bowl game last year and blow out a knee? How is his rehab going?

He has good size and might make a good backup for Romo if the knee holds up. I'd like to see more of him though and we don't seem to get many UCLA games around here.

[Cowboy Lover]

Yes, we must decipher a player's abilites to one, single, solitary game against....GASP......MICHIGAN!!!:lmao:

Let's see, how about 2 games he's already played.

vs Mich 2004- 13-23 241 yds 2 TDs 0 INTs
vs Mich 2005- 27-37 300 yds 1 TD 0 INTs

Career vs Mich 40-60 541 yds 3 TDs 0 INTs

Not to mention- 29 carries 182 yds 2 TDs

That's all I got to say about that.



The TV guys put up his last 6 game stats.



ZERO interceptions.



And yes...that includes the vaunted MICHIGAN juggernaut. :rolleyes:

[ghst187]

I haven't seen him play this year...Didn't he get hurt in a bowl game last year and blow out a knee? How is his rehab going?

He has good size and might make a good backup for Romo if the knee holds up. I'd like to see more of him though and we don't seem to get many UCLA games around here.

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT
Ben Olson 38 52 442 73.1 8.50 5 1 172.4

UCLA is 2-0 but against Idaho and Rice I think.
I haven't seen Olson play this year but I remember he was a pretty hot prospect at one time. Stats look pretty good so far this year but real test will be against Oregon and USC. I don't think UCLA will compete that well with USC but you will probably be able to tell a lot about him.

[junk]

what about Drew Olson? could be one of those late 1st day picks that could be a good pro....maybe?

He is already in the NFL. Currently on the Ravens practice squad.

Ben Olson is UCLA's quarterback, but is only a sophmore.

[ghst187]

He is already in the NFL. Currently on the Ravens practice squad.

Ben Olson is UCLA's quarterback, but is only a sophmore.

cryke, apparently I was confused....
I take it they're brothers?

[jay cee]

So these guys couldn't play in the NFL?

Joe Montana
Height: 6' 2'' Weight: 197

Johnny Unitas
Height: 6-1. Weight: 195 pounds.

Steve Young
Height: 6-2; Weight: 215
Unitas played over 30 years ago, Montana and Young played in the West Coast offense.

I don't think they would have been as effective in the type of offense the Cowboys ran with Aikman.

That said, you have to have talent to be a HOF QB, and those guys were great.

I would take a 6'2 great player over an average 6'5 player. But if I had a choice between two equal players, I would take the one with more size.

[Unforgiven]

Smith is 6'1" according to Ohio State.

If he's six foot, I'm seven foot.

At the combine, his actual height will be recorded. A lot of players bodies go through drastic changes in those crucial minutes that they step up on stage. He'll end up around 5'11".

[PullMyFinger]

The kid from UCLA. Quit laughing the kid can play.

[Silverstar]

Well, I'm still rooting for Trent Edwards as a prospect.

Yes, I know his team sucks.