No Vanderjagt Talk?

[BBQ101]

2 for 2. One for 49 yards that put us up by three scores. HUGE.

If it was a confidence problem, then that had to help his psyche. Nice to see.

BBQ

[TheKey]

Officially 50 yards.

[davidyee]

2 for 2. One for 49 yards that put us up by three scores. HUGE.

If it was a confidence problem, then that had to help his psyche. Nice to see.

BBQ

...job and that's all anyone wanted. The talk before was because he couldn't do his job when the team was in Jax and he was in Dallas and it was claimed he wasn't injured.

[aznhalf]

and best of all, he let me eek out a 3 point win in Fantasy Football.

[Silverstar]

As long as he does his job, there will never be a problem.

[The Duke]

Would have liked to have seen how the Jax game turns out if Vandy hits that late field goal and we go up 13-10? Totally different ending.

[BlueStar22]

I think after the 50 yarder, we all can breathe a collective sigh of relief. Parcells should stop complaining about having to carry 2 kickers. Accept it, deal with it, move on.

[DallasEast]

I still have an issue of carrying both him and Suisham on the active roster. Suisham is costing us one or two players on the depth chart during games.

This was the case with Vanderjadt while he was with the Colts. As much as Jones has invested in the guy, he should be able to kickoff too.

[BBQ101]

I hear your point about having to carry another player, but you have to balance that against loosing 2-3 games last year because of missed fieldgoals. What other player are you going to add that can bring you that?

Really, the kicker is the one player whos play's directly translate to points. Sure there are 21 other players out there, but if they all do their job, they cancel themselves out and it comes to one person making a play

I will carry an extra player to the game for that.

BBQ

I do hear ya though.

[jbsg02]

very nice to see considering we haven't made a whole lot of those over the last how many years

[DallasEast]

I hear your point about having to carry another player, but you have to balance that against loosing 2-3 games last year because of missed fieldgoals. What other player are you going to add that can bring you that?

Really, the kicker is the one player whos play's directly translate to points. Sure there are 21 other players out there, but if they all do their job, they cancel themselves out and it comes to one person making a play

I will carry an extra player to the game for that.

BBQ

I do hear ya though.Suisham is a kickoff specialist only. Most teams do not have a kickoff specialist. Most teams only have a placekicker for kickoffs and field goals.

That's all I'm saying.

[big dog cowboy]

Maybe Vandy should practice his kickoffs during the bye week.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Vanderjagt did what he's paid to do and that's kick field goals and he didn't even kick off tonight...

[roughneck266]

2 for 2. One for 49 yards that put us up by three scores. HUGE.

If it was a confidence problem, then that had to help his psyche. Nice to see.

BBQ
I guess it isn't a fun when there is no controversy. suits me!
EDIT I guess there is controversy.

[Dale]

Vanderjagt's ability to hit that 50-yarder was one of the biggest plays of the game. Turning that game into a three-possession contest essentially ended it.

[ka0tik]

Its a good sign, when nobody talks about the KICKER. :)

[DallasEast]

Maybe Vandy should practice his kickoffs during the bye week.Given his history, I doubt that Parcells will cut Suisham even if he knows that Vanderjadt is completely healthy. JMO.

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

That 50 yarder looked like it could've been good from 56-58!!

[Boyzmamacita]

Our three kickers form a formidable trio. McBriar's punts were off the charts. Vandy was on. And Suisham's kickoffs make it worth it to keep him on the roster. They knew Vandy's limitations when they signed him. I say keep both kickers.

[Boyzmamacita]

Its a good sign, when nobody talks about the KICKER. :)

Kowboy, that is an awesome sig!

[davidyee]

I hear your point about having to carry another player, but you have to balance that against loosing 2-3 games last year because of missed fieldgoals. What other player are you going to add that can bring you that?

Really, the kicker is the one player whos play's directly translate to points. Sure there are 21 other players out there, but if they all do their job, they cancel themselves out and it comes to one person making a play

I will carry an extra player to the game for that.

BBQ

I do hear ya though.

...taking Suisham and losing a special team demon may have costed us some field position today and possibly contributed to Cartwright's run back.

The only way I see Suisham making up for this is having everyone of his kickoffs turn into touchbacks. Then I can agree with two kickers.

[BBQ101]

...taking Suisham and losing a special team demon may have costed us some field position today and possibly contributed to Cartwright's run back.

The only way I see Suisham making up for this is having everyone of his kickoffs turn into touchbacks. Then I can agree with two kickers.

Im going to have to go with keeping two kickers and having a player that knocks down the 50 yarder to put us up by three scores.

Besides the run back (which I admit was a big play on their part), we did ok on kickoff coverage. Did you see that return by the way? Almost our whole special team seemed to be runnign down the wrong side of the field. The Redskins took that to the other side, and the guy was untouched until the kicker. I don't think one player make the difference on that. You gotta get more people around the ball....that was just outright terrible special team play there...

BBQ

[DallasEast]

...taking Suisham and losing a special team demon may have costed us some field position today and possibly contributed to Cartwright's run back.

The only way I see Suisham making up for this is having everyone of his kickoffs turn into touchbacks. Then I can agree with two kickers.Me, too, David. Me, too.

[Seven]

2 for 2. One for 49 yards that put us up by three scores. HUGE.

If it was a confidence problem, then that had to help his psyche. Nice to see.

BBQ

Nope. I hate him. After last year and the way this one started, I'm officially riding shotgun on Hos' I hate kickers wagon.

[davidyee]

Im going to have to go with keeping two kickers and having a player that knocks down the 50 yarder to put us up by three scores.

Besides the run back (which I admit was a big play on their part), we did ok on kickoff coverage. Did you see that return by the way? Almost our whole special team seemed to be runnign down the wrong side of the field. The Redskins took that to the other side, and the guy was untouched until the kicker. I don't think one player make the difference on that. You gotta get more people around the ball....that was just outright terrible special team play there...

BBQ

... that I just viewed just before I posted back to you. Coming up the middle and huffing his way behind Cartwright as he blew past him was Carpenter.

Hannam, Reeves, Rector and Austin were left off the active roster. Do you think any of those guys could have run down Cartwright?

Also, his second kickoff return after the TD runback was for 30 yards. So there was some special teams problems today.

[DallasEast]

Hannam, Reeves, Rector and Austin were left off the active roster. Do you think any of those guys could have run down Cartwright?I'm sure you're correct about the other three, David, but Reeves was active tonight. If I'm not mistaken, he almost downed a punt at the 1-yard line.

[jrumann59]

... that I just viewed just before I posted back to you. Coming up the middle and huffing his way behind Cartwright as he blew past him was Carpenter.

Hannam, Reeves, Rector and Austin were left off the active roster. Do you think any of those guys could have run down Cartwright?

Also, his second kickoff return after the TD runback was for 30 yards. So there was some special teams problems today.

Reeves, played he had a oopsies on the McBriar Punt when he could have pinned the skins on the 1 yd line. Rector was inactive.

[BlueStar22]

...taking Suisham and losing a special team demon may have costed us some field position today and possibly contributed to Cartwright's run back.

The only way I see Suisham making up for this is having everyone of his kickoffs turn into touchbacks. Then I can agree with two kickers.not having anyone to bust up the wedge cost us on that run back.

[BBQ101]

... that I just viewed just before I posted back to you. Coming up the middle and huffing his way behind Cartwright as he blew past him was Carpenter.

Hannam, Reeves, Rector and Austin were left off the active roster. Do you think any of those guys could have run down Cartwright?

Also, his second kickoff return after the TD runback was for 30 yards. So there was some special teams problems today.


This is true...But how many touchbacks did we get? Its not like Suisham brings nothing to the table. He is kicking that think into the endzone. He may be keeping a special teamer off the team, but he is a pretty "special" special teamer too. And lets not forget why we have him active. Field goal kicking is special teams too. You would not keep Suisham active in order to keep a player that kicks 87% from the field. Did you watch our field goal team last year?

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[Cbz40]

Vanderjagt kept me from going into hyperventilation......he stays. With a 3 possession lead I finally was able to relax ....a little.

[DallasEast]

You would not keep Suisham active in order to keep a player that kicks 87% from the field. Did you watch our field goal team last year?If our 87% field goal kicker would kickoff, there would be zero need to keep Suisham UNLESS Suisham could guarantee that 95% or more of his kickoffs would land (deep) in the endzone.

[BBQ101]

By the way, I havn't seen the stat...what was there average starting field position on kickoffs? I think we did pretty good. Just a gut feel...I dont' have the stat.

BBQ

[davidyee]

I'm sure you're correct about the other three, David, but Reeves was active tonight. If I'm not mistaken, he almost downed a punt at the 1-yard line.

...in following the gamebook who also had the error. After you mentioned it I remeber the play now at the goal line.

[BBQ101]

If our 87% field goal kicker would kickoff, there would be zero need to keep Suisham UNLESS Suisham could guarantee that 95% or more of his kickoffs would land (deep) in the endzone.

95%? Come on...who else in the league does that?

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Personally,

I feel better about our special teams this year over all than last year. If we need to keep two kickers to nail game clinching field goals, then so be it.

BBQ

[DallasEast]

95%? Come on...who else in the league does that?

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Personally,

I feel better about our special teams this year over all than last year. If we need to keep two kickers to nail game clinching field goals, then so be it.

BBQVanderjadt is our designated placekicker and a very expensive one at that. Suisham is our kickoff specialist.

If Suisham's only expected job is to kickoff, do you want him booming short kickoffs? :confused:

[BBQ101]

Vanderjadt is our designated placekicker and a very expensive one at that. Suisham is our kickoff specialist.

If Suisham's only expected job is to kickoff, do you want him booming short kickoffs? :confused:

Of course not. Be he didn't kickoff short. Even the run back was for 100 yards... he kicked it to the endzone. I don't know the stat, but he may have been near to 95% tonight. Although I still think 95% is unrealistic...no one in the league does it.

Just from memory, all the kicks landed inside the 10, and it might have been all of them inside the 5. Most of them were kicked to the endzone.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think Suisham is just a hell of a special team addition. He had some really nice kickoffs. The run back for a touchdown was just horrible coverage.

BBQ

[CanadianCowboysFan]

2 for 2. One for 49 yards that put us up by three scores. HUGE.

If it was a confidence problem, then that had to help his psyche. Nice to see.

BBQ

When he hit that 50 yarder, you could almost see the weight of nine months lifted from his shoulders.

[Garland powerplay]

Awesome ! He nailed it. Kickers being vital to the game. It should be no objection to carrying two after the problems The Cowboys have had over the past couple years.

[Danny White]

Vinatieri suffered a groin injury today and left the game...

how ironic! Our idiot kicker recovers from his groin and boots a 50 yarder, and everyone's favorite son hurts his groin on the very same day.

[DallasEast]

Of course not. Be he didn't kickoff short. Even the run back was for 100 yards... he kicked it to the endzone. I don't know the stat, but he may have been near to 95% tonight. Although I still think 95% is unrealistic...no one in the league does it.

Just from memory, all the kicks landed inside the 10, and it might have been all of them inside the 5. Most of them were kicked to the endzone.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think Suisham is just a hell of a special team addition. He had some really nice kickoffs. The run back for a touchdown was just horrible coverage.

BBQYou're right. We are going to disagree on this topic. It doesn't matter that your head coach makes the following comment on this subject:

"I think we could surmise that I really didn't want to keep two kickers and there was a domino effect on the rest of the roster." LINK (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/15443361.htm)

It doesn't matter that 31 out of 32 NFL teams only have ONE placekicker on its roster. (Guess which team has two PK's?)

The only thing that matters is that Suisham is a great special team addition. Great.

Good night. :)

[Frozen700]

im happy for Vandy...i see his confidence growing after that

[Kittymama]

Can I point out that the Atlanta kicker missed FOUR field goals today? The kicker coached by Steve Hoffman. You know--the coach everyone keeps harpingharpingharpingharping on & bashing Parcells for firing.

I'd love to hear how those folks explain FOUR missed field goals in one day. And what they would be saying if one of our kickers (you know, the ones not coached by Hoffman) had missed four.

[stag hunter]

Good thing we cut Vandy after the preseason right Rack

[BBQ101]

You're right. We are going to disagree on this topic. It doesn't matter that your head coach makes the following comment on this subject:

"I think we could surmise that I really didn't want to keep two kickers and there was a domino effect on the rest of the roster." LINK (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/15443361.htm)

It doesn't matter that 31 out of 32 NFL teams only have ONE placekicker on its roster. (Guess which team has two PK's?)

The only thing that matters is that Suisham is a great special team addition. Great.

Good night. :)

Hey, if you are going to pull quotes from the coach about not liking taking two kickers to a game, then also pull some quotes about him on our kicking game last year. He may not like it, but he is doing it. And in my mind its worth it. We went out and got perhaps the best kicker available (Venituri would be the other, but hey New England let him get away) and I don't care what was said early on, we knew there was a risk we would have to keep two kickers if that was the player we went after.

The reason Suisham is hear is because Vanderjagt can't kickoff. He hasn't done it this year (in the season) and he hasn't done it for years.

My point is our special teams is better this year than last, even keeping two kickers. Quote all you want, but we had a field goal specialist get us 3 scores ahead in the 4th quarter with 9 minutes left by kicking a 50 yard field goal. Didn't necessarly win us the game, but we only have to look back 1 year to the day to see what a difference 3 scores vs 2 scores makes.

We disagree...sleep well

BBQ

[ddh33]

Vanderjagt was great today. I thought his long kick was a sealer.

I have a hunch though (and I doubt we ever know for sure) that Parcells was testing him. Bill is always talking about pressure. I think he wanted to see what he had. I would also imagine that he had to be pleased.

[davidyee]

Can I point out that the Atlanta kicker missed FOUR field goals today? The kicker coached by Steve Hoffman. You know--the coach everyone keeps harpingharpingharpingharping on & bashing Parcells for firing.

I'd love to hear how those folks explain FOUR missed field goals in one day. And what they would be saying if one of our kickers (you know, the ones not coached by Hoffman) had missed four.

For everyone on the forum - how not to run your special teams when looking for a kicker!!!

In May 2006 the Falcons choose not to offer a contract to Todd Peterson after he kicks for 92% conversion rate on FGs in 2005.

They attempt to low ball him with a vet minimum offer. They then bring in three no name kickers and ask Hoffman to make something out of these guys.

They are so bad that they can't even beat out the punter!

If you want to know what happened in today's game, one FG was blocked and three strayed by Koenen, the punter! Not a FG kicker, but a punter.

The talk in Atlanta is that Hoffman is beside himself and sees the same problems that he faced in Dallas.

From May till September is hardly a recipe for making a NFL calibre kicker.

So let's stick to the facts and avoid making this a Hoffman problem when clearly us Dallas fans were willing to pay big for tried and true vet when Atlanta was not.

[Danny White]

Can I point out that the Atlanta kicker missed FOUR field goals today? The kicker coached by Steve Hoffman. You know--the coach everyone keeps harpingharpingharpingharping on & bashing Parcells for firing.

I'd love to hear how those folks explain FOUR missed field goals in one day. And what they would be saying if one of our kickers (you know, the ones not coached by Hoffman) had missed four.
That kid looked AWESOME in the preseason as well.

I admit it, I wanted Vandy's head on a platter in the preseason... just goes to show that I have no business coaching the Cowboys! :D

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Maybe Vanderjagt was right, all he needed was the regular season to start and he would hit his FGs ;)

[T-New41]

I'm thrilled that we can finally look at a stat line under "FG" and see 100%. How long has that been? The MNF game where Cundiff hit 7 in a row?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I'm thrilled that we can finally look at a stat line under "FG" and see 100%. How long has that been? The MNF game where Cundiff hit 7 in a row?

Not sure but what was nice was that for the first time in a long time, one of our kickers made a kick that iced a game by putting us way ahead. Twice (Washington and Seattle) last year Cortez missed such kicks and we ended up out of the playoffs and that is not counting the game in Oakland where his earlier miss made us go for the TD instead of the chip shot tieing FG with a minute to go.

[davidyee]

I'm thrilled that we can finally look at a stat line under "FG" and see 100%. How long has that been? The MNF game where Cundiff hit 7 in a row?

... I would smile if the season ending stat said 87% for the entire year.

[BBQ101]

Not sure but what was nice was that for the first time in a long time, one of our kickers made a kick that iced a game by putting us way ahead. Twice (Washington and Seattle) last year Cortez missed such kicks and we ended up out of the playoffs and that is not counting the game in Oakland where his earlier miss made us go for the TD instead of the chip shot tieing FG with a minute to go.

So true. Although I must admit I was none too confident when they were lining up the kick. Hand it to Vanderjagt though...he nailed it, and got a monkey off his back tonight.

Parcell's quote tonight on that kick:

"He made a good clutch kick there," Parcells said. "That three points was big right there."
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AmB7LDLlxAKvoQaFC.s5LjRDubYF?gid=200609 17006&prov=ap

[T-New41]

It just seemed like too often and too long, on any given game, you were guaranteed that at LEAST one of the FG attempts was going to be a waste. If Vandy can hit FG's consitently (87 would be great) I dont care HOW much money Jerry pays him. I just cant stomach another season of losing games by a FG.

And yes, it can not be under stressed how important a FG is. As was mentioned, tonight it iced the game. Who knows how momentum would have been last week had we made the FG before the half.

If Akers didnt miss a FG earlier, the Giants probably dont get the amazing win. People may hate FG kickers, but if you want to be succesful, you better have a good one. Pats dont have 3 Superbowl victories w/o Vinateri.

[ka0tik]

Kowboy, that is an awesome sig!

Thank you! :p:

[Dale]

It just seemed like too often and too long, on any given game, you were guaranteed that at LEAST one of the FG attempts was going to be a waste. If Vandy can hit FG's consitently (87 would be great) I dont care HOW much money Jerry pays him. I just cant stomach another season of losing games by a FG.

And yes, it can not be under stressed how important a FG is. As was mentioned, tonight it iced the game. Who knows how momentum would have been last week had we made the FG before the half.

If Akers didnt miss a FG earlier, the Giants probably dont get the amazing win. People may hate FG kickers, but if you want to be succesful, you better have a good one. Pats dont have 3 Superbowl victories w/o Vinateri.

Agreed. I can understand the disdain for kickers. But I can't understand why some are so hesitant to praise a good one or, worse, don't want to acquire a good one.

Yeah, he went out and "did his job" tonight. But so did most every other player. It's TO's job to catch the ball. It's Bledsoe's job to get it there. But this is a sport -- like every other -- where 100-percent execution is not possible. So, when a player executes, he deserves praise for "doing his job" IMO.

It's not like kickers are universally connecting on 94% of their kicks, much less from 50 yards.

[billknows]

I think after the 50 yarder, we all can breathe a collective sigh of relief. Parcells should stop complaining about having to carry 2 kickers. Accept it, deal with it, move on.

have to agree two good kickers is better than an extra special teamer, and what a punter we have to boot ......all these kickers give us awsome field position advantage every game...I like it.........soon to be an NFL Trend..HAHAHA

[Hiero]

I'm so glad he finally got on the field and made some so we can stop with the vanderjagt sucks threads.

[Garland powerplay]

Cowboys got the closer they needed.