Thoughts on Carpenter

[jrcowboys]

Guys:

Trying to figure out what we have in Carpender. My thoughts:

Positives: Great size (looks like Randy White), good speed (Note him trying to catch Kickoff returner), hard worker. Potentially good pass rusher.

Negatives: Does not appear to be an instinctive player, thinks too much instead of just turning it loose. May not be real quick or just slowed by lack of instincts.

Bottom line: I think this guy will be a slow developer due to change in positions and lack of great instincts. I don't expect a whole lot from him this year. I think he could contribute as an inside (or outside) pass rusher on nickle defenses this year. Note: He does have about the same size/speed ratio of the ILB from Chicage (Urlecker ?Sp).

Your thoughts?

JR

[SDogo]

Who is that?

[kenai]

It concerned me that the only time I noticed him was as he was chasing Rock on the return. Good to see him chase, but that could be because he wasn't in the right place. Hurd, another rookie, was also chasing...

[InmanRoshi]

When he's losing ground to Rock Cartwright on a dead sprint, its not hard to figure out whey they moved him inside.

[Deep_Freeze]

Misspelling his name is asking for trouble, lol.

[jazzcat22]

He's learning a new position, and didn't even have a full TC to learn it. He spent all off season and 1st half of camp learning OLB. Big change for a rookie, no matter your college experience. I disagree with your part on not being instinctive. I believe he is.

So he's moved to ILB half way through camp. And now trying to learn on the job. So I think anyone would look a little out of place. Give it time. He will be fine.

[Kangaroo]

Ok I heard some stupid things already

1. The return did not happen on Carps side of coverage

2. Cartwright is a RB against a LB in a long sprint guess who wins that race 99 out of a 100 times !

:bang2:

[InmanRoshi]

2. Cartwright is a RB against a LB in a long sprint guess who wins that race 99 out of a 100 times !
:bang2:

Depends on who the LB is.

[aikemirv]

When he's losing ground to Rock Cartwright on a dead sprint, its not hard to figure out whey they moved him inside.

I don't know Cartwright's 40 speed but he did letter in track and field so I am not sure he is slow by any means!

[AdamJT13]

When he's losing ground to Rock Cartwright on a dead sprint, its not hard to figure out whey they moved him inside.

Cartwright ran a 4.42 at the Combine. All of our linebackers would lose ground to Cartwright.

[CATCH17]

[QUOTE=jrcowboys

Negatives: Does not appear to be an instinctive player, thinks too much instead of just turning it loose. May not be real quick or just slowed by lack of instincts. [/QUOTE]



Uh can you say typical rookie? Especially at a different position in a different scheme.

He's thinking to much right now of course but I expect that. Let the guy learn his position before we all jump to conclusions.

[CrazyCowboy]

Cartwright ran a 4.42 at the Combine. All of our linebackers would lose ground to Cartwright.

Do you have a link to any place that say Carp ran that fast? I have never seen anything lower then 4.5.

I am worried about Carp, however, he is playing a new position and I am hoping that is the problem.

[jrcowboys]

I think Carpenter (Thanks for the spelling correction) ran a 4.67 forty when he was 90% recovered from his broken ankle. So, fully healthy he is probably about a 4.6 guy. Don't know what his shuttle times and 10-20 yard times are-I consider those times more important for a linebacker because they indicate quickness and change of direction.

JR

[Vintage]

Do you have a link to any place that say Carp ran that fast? I have never seen anything lower then 4.5.

I am worried about Carp, however, he is playing a new position and I am hoping that is the problem.
Reread it. He said Cartwright ran the 4.42

Cartwright is not Carpenter.

Cartwright is the Skins RB. Carpenter is our LB.

[austintodallas]

Do you have a link to any place that say Carp ran that fast? I have never seen anything lower then 4.5.

I am worried about Carp, however, he is playing a new position and I am hoping that is the problem.Cartwright ran a 4.42, not Carpenter. Follow along now.

[bobtheflob]

Cartwright also outran Sam Hurd on that return. Hurd may not be the fastest receiver in the world, but he's definitely faster than most linebackers. Carpenter losing a race to Cartwright is not at all surprising.

[tomson75]

I think Carpenter (Thanks for the spelling correction) ran a 4.67 forty when he was 90% recovered from his broken ankle. So, fully healthy he is probably about a 4.6 guy. Don't know what his shuttle times and 10-20 yard times are-I consider those times more important for a linebacker because they indicate quickness and change of direction.

JR


exactly. 40 times for LB's are superfluous. Their 10 yd. plits are far more important. Carpenter has a quick first few steps, after that he's going to tail off. Anyone expecting him to catch a RB that weighs 30 lbs less than him is being unreasonable. All of this is moot, however, as he was not at fault for the return anyway.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

He was out of position on several plays. One play was a third down....I believe in the 3rd Quarter when Wash was pinned back. The rest of his teammates were pointing to where he should line up. Neither play cost us.

Overall.....Green

[junk]

Cartwright ran a 4.42 at the Combine. All of our linebackers would lose ground to Cartwright.

:laugh2: Ouch!

Do you ever get tired of blowing up agenda driven drivel?

[amarillodoc]

It took Brady James 3 years to "get it." We need to have a little patience with this kid. It's not like we need him that bad anyway right now.

[conner01]

carp will be fine. everyone is not a pro bowler after their first season, let alone after one game

[dallasfan]

He's learning a new position, and didn't even have a full TC to learn it. He spent all off season and 1st half of camp learning OLB. Big change for a rookie, no matter your college experience. I disagree with your part on not being instinctive. I believe he is.

So he's moved to ILB half way through camp. And now trying to learn on the job. So I think anyone would look a little out of place. Give it time. He will be fine.

The knock on him coming out of college was a lack of insticts as well.

[Yakuza Rich]

Carpenter made a mental error on his first play of the game. He was supposed to keep an eye out for Betts coming out of the backfield, but instead he followed the RWR who ran inwards. Betts was pretty wide open, but thankfully Brunnell's pass was a little bit off and Betts dropped it.

Other than that, he looked like he just came in for nickel packages and didn't do much either way. Definitely appears that Hoyte is head and shoulders above him on special teams play.


YAKUZA

[Eddie]

I don't like the fact that we used a 1st round pick on an ILB. Those are found all over the draft. The only LB's who are legitimate 1st round picks are those who can apply constant QB pressure.

BTW, anyone watch the 49er game? The WCO is dead in SF. Amazing. Norv Turner has turned them from a horizontal to a vertical team. AB cried, but he has talent.

I actually feel for the 49ers.

[silver]

on the same KR, we saw Burnett who plays outside also being outrun. Burnett also gave up on the play way before Carpenter. Anyways, Carp looks exactly like Chad Hennings did in 1992. A rookie on a defense that is loaded with playmakers. Just like Chad in '92, Carp will hardly see the field this year. Hennings did turn out OK eventually.

[Cowboy Junkie]

I have not rewatched game yet but I think Carp was a big reason why TD was scored by Redskins...

Rock took up the middle and I think it was Carp that did not hold his ground in the middle and went to his left , not only putting himself away from the tackle but also blocking out another would be tackler....

Now I am not %100 it was Carp but without rewatching game , I am %90 sure it was him..

[tomson75]

I have not rewatched game yet but I think Carp was a big reason why TD was scored by Redskins...

Rock took up the middle and I think it was Carp that did not hold his ground in the middle and went to his left , not only putting himself away from the tackle but also blocking out another would be tackler....

Now I am not %100 it was Carp but without rewatching game , I am %90 sure it was him..


ummmmm.....no. try again.

he was on the right hand side. the skins doubled williams, and someone on the left side ran out of their lane, letting cartright get through. Thompson and Reeves are suspects on this one.

[Tobal]

It was actually Singleton who went to the left of the wedge, not sure why he did that

[Chocolate Lab]

The biggest worry I see with Carpenter isn't his speed, but that he doesn't seem very aggressive. I know he's learning a new position, but still, he should play more physical IMO. He almost looks like a finesse player out there, and that won't work at ILB in the 34.

That said, he can still improve on that... And I do think he's in the right position now, especially because I don't think Ayodele looks like a long-term answer.

[BARRYRAY]

My thoughts--played for a greta program that made a maybe second round at best pick look like a first rounder, be honest this guy is as big a bust as say Jacob Rogers, I mean name one play in preseason or this game where he did anything. Not sure if he's good enough to carry Wares jock. He upholds the great Cowboy tradition of defensive busts like Kavita Pittman, honestly I think we should just trade the picks for vets, I mean we got Terry Glen this way. I mean you can spin this anyway you want but no way this guy takes Ellis's spot next year.

[Cowboy Junkie]

It was actually Singleton who went to the left of the wedge, not sure why he did that


Thanx ,
I knew it was one of the linebackers...
He opened it up for him but good, Didnt he?

[DBoys]

I thought Al Singleton chose to take the path of least resistance instead of plugging the gap Cart hit :(

Suisham should of put a shoulder into Cart as well.

[jaman4]

The knock on him coming out of college was a lack of insticts as well.

NFL Draftscout does a really solid job in player evaluations, and here's what they had to say about him:

"Carpenter is a smart and instinctive athlete with a good feel for blocking schemes and the awareness to quickly sniff out the ball when working through trash. He attacks the rush lanes with good aggression and has the hand punch to push the fullback back through the lanes, when he stays low in his pads. When he gets too erect in his stance, he will lose leverage and the result is the blocker latching on to his pads, causing him to struggle trying to shed"

He's a rookie playing on a team with 6 pretty solid LBs, be patient.

[junk]

My thoughts--played for a greta program that made a maybe second round at best pick look like a first rounder, be honest this guy is as big a bust as say Jacob Rogers, I mean name one play in preseason or this game where he did anything. Not sure if he's good enough to carry Wares jock. He upholds the great Cowboy tradition of defensive busts like Kavita Pittman, honestly I think we should just trade the picks for vets, I mean we got Terry Glen this way. I mean you can spin this anyway you want but no way this guy takes Ellis's spot next year.

:rolleyes: I'm glad armchair GMs like you aren't running the team.

[davidyee]

When he's losing ground to Rock Cartwright on a dead sprint, its not hard to figure out whey they moved him inside.

...on the forum yesterday that he shouldn't be in on special teams. A guy like Austin or Rector would have been a better choice, but we had to leave those guys at home in place of a kicker.

[junk]

...on the forum yesterday that he shouldn't be in on special teams. A guy like Austin or Rector would have been a better choice, but we had to leave those guys at home in place of a kicker.

They'd do a swell job wedge busting on kickoff coverage.

[jaman4]

My thoughts--played for a greta program that made a maybe second round at best pick look like a first rounder, be honest this guy is as big a bust as say Jacob Rogers, I mean name one play in preseason or this game where he did anything. Not sure if he's good enough to carry Wares jock. He upholds the great Cowboy tradition of defensive busts like Kavita Pittman, honestly I think we should just trade the picks for vets, I mean we got Terry Glen this way. I mean you can spin this anyway you want but no way this guy takes Ellis's spot next year.

I can only hope this was sarcasm, cuz if it's not... well..