RECAP: Michael Irvin on ESPN

[TruBlueCowboy]

Said TO was very excited about this season. (This is in response to report from Michael Smith on ESPN who talked to an anonymous friend who claims TO told him he was depressed about this situation in Dallas, the lingering injuries, the continuing press attention.)
Talked to TO last night when it happened. Also talked to him a few minutes ago.
TO told Michael Irvin that he took too many pills on accident, had the allergic reaction. TO claims his hand was really hurting after practice, was trying to make a miracle comeback from his injury, and mistakenly took to many supplements and painkillers.
Pastor was there with TO last night when he accidentally OD'd, allergic reaction.
TO tried to answer police questions to best of his ability, was foggy.
Denied to Michael Irvin that he committed suicide.
TO and his publicist wouldn't go into any detail about the preliminary police report with Michael Irvin.
Michael Irvin didn't notice any talks with TO lately that gave away depression or any signs of suicide.
Publicist has talked to Irvin and said, "Why would he committ suicide in front of me and his pastor?"


Gotta tell you, if you watch that interview, it's pretty sobering. Not your typical amped up Michael Irvin. I honestly (and this is my opinion) think that Irvin suspects suicide, but has to go with what his friend says.

[trickblue]

Talked to TO last night when it happened.
TO told Michael Irvin that he took too many pills on accident, had the allergic reaction.
Michael Irvin didn't notice any talks with TO lately that gave away depression or any signs of suicide.
Publicist has talked to Irvin and said, "Why would he committ suicide in front of me?"
Gotta tell you, if you watch that interview, it's pretty sobering. Not your typical amped up Michael Irvin. I honestly (and this is my opinion) think that Irvin suspects suicide, but has to go with what his friend says.

Irvin always goes somber when talking of personal issues with people, so I wouldn't read too much into that...

[miamicowboy21]

Irvin, and deion seemed pretty somber. I think irvin and deion are sincerly T.O's friend, and cares about him as a person. The know how the media scrutiny care beat an individual down.

[KD]

Talked to TO last night when it happened.
TO told Michael Irvin that he took too many pills on accident, had the allergic reaction.
Michael Irvin didn't notice any talks with TO lately that gave away depression or any signs of suicide.
Publicist has talked to Irvin and said, "Why would he committ suicide in front of me?"
Gotta tell you, if you watch that interview, it's pretty sobering. Not your typical amped up Michael Irvin. I honestly (and this is my opinion) think that Irvin suspects suicide, but has to go with what his friend says.

I agree. He looks really sad, not serious.

[Boyzmamacita]

I noticed Michael was a tad emotional and I'm not sure he believed what he was saying. He was just saying what he thought was right at the moment. The good thing is, TO seems to have a lot of support from a lot of people (even if his new teammates aren't close to him yet). I hope it's true that he's in good spirits. Reportedly, Deion is one of the people at his home right now.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Added more after watching interview again. Might want to read it again, if you only caught the first post.

[iceberg]

Said TO was very excited about this season. (This is in response to report from Michael Smith on ESPN who talked to an anonymous friend who claims TO told him he was depressed about this situation in Dallas, the lingering injuries, the continuing press attention.)
Talked to TO last night when it happened. Also talked to him a few minutes ago.
TO told Michael Irvin that he took too many pills on accident, had the allergic reaction. TO claims his hand was really hurting after practice, was trying to make a miracle comeback from his injury, and mistakenly took to many supplements and painkillers.
Pastor was there with TO last night when he accidentally OD'd, allergic reaction.
TO tried to answer police questions to best of his ability, was foggy.
Denied to Michael Irvin that he committed suicide.
TO and his publicist wouldn't go into any detail about the preliminary police report with Michael Irvin.
Michael Irvin didn't notice any talks with TO lately that gave away depression or any signs of suicide.
Publicist has talked to Irvin and said, "Why would he committ suicide in front of me and his pastor?"
Gotta tell you, if you watch that interview, it's pretty sobering. Not your typical amped up Michael Irvin. I honestly (and this is my opinion) think that Irvin suspects suicide, but has to go with what his friend says.

gotta tell you - since you've been on TO's arse since this started, you're gonna see what you want to see. if you don't see it, you'll make it where it doesn't exist.

sigh.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

He probably feels for Owens because he has gone through his own demons in the past, knows what it's like to have everything you do put under a microscope etc.

Re Sanders, remember he tried to kill himself by crashing his car once so he understands what Owens is going through.

[acheman]

"Denied to Michael Irvin that he committed suicide."


This would be hard to do anyway. Now you could deny attempting suicide.
I am in no way trying to make light of this situation, no matter how it turns out.

[TruBlueCowboy]

gotta tell you - since you've been on TO's arse since this started, you're gonna see what you want to see. if you don't see it, you'll make it where it doesn't exist.

sigh.

My last comment, which I distinctly stated was an opinion, was the only opinion I added. Everything else is exactly what Irvin stated. I've been on TO's arse about why he would try something this stupid after a ten million dollar contract and the obligations of a professional football player. How am I going to make something up? I obviously don't want it to be true. The only agenda is from people like you who couldn't sniff out the facts from the get-go and don't want to look wrong if some of the ambigious facts of this event are starting to make it look like TO actually did try to snuff himself out. You watch the Irvin interview and you'll see what I mean by my sidebar comments. Other people have commented on this too. Irvin looks sad, even a little confused.

[RoyWilliams]

gotta tell you - since you've been on TO's arse since this started, you're gonna see what you want to see. if you don't see it, you'll make it where it doesn't exist.

sigh.

That's true but you also have to consider the other side of it. There's no way in hell his publicist or friends are going to come out and say he tried to commit suicide, they will play it down. I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

[NickZepp]

Denied to Michael Irvin that he committed suicide.

Since he's still alive I think we can all believe that one. ;)

[Maikeru-sama]

My last comment, which I distinctly stated was an opinion, was the only opinion I added. Everything else is exactly what Irvin stated. I've been on TO's arse about why he would try something this stupid after a ten million dollar contract and the obligations of a professional football player. How am I going to make something up? I obviously don't want it to be true. The only agenda is from people like you who couldn't sniff out the facts from the get-go and don't want to look wrong if some of the ambigious facts of this event are starting to make it look like TO actually did try to snuff himself out. You watch the Irvin interview and you'll see what I mean by my sidebar comments. Other people have commented on this too. Irvin looks sad, even a little confused.

I think he was speaking in General, or at least he should be speaking in General.

When something happens to somebody you cant stand, you are going to read into things one way.

When something happens to somebody you like, you are going to read into things another way.

[Deep_Freeze]

We should know that they are just trying to protect Owens. We will probably never know the truth, but holding him out a game or something is a horrible thing to do as that idiot John Clayton is saying.

Taking away the one thing he loves is a horrible idea. It was said, all a man needs is someone to love. If you can't give him that, then give him something to hope for. If you can't give him that, just give him something to do. Football is that something for TO.

[TruBlueCowboy]

I think he was speaking in General, or at least he should be speaking in General.

When something happens to somebody you cant stand, you are going to read into things one way.

When something happens to somebody you like, you are going to read into things another way.

But I was one of the first people on this board to pimp the TO signing. When 90% of the board was against it. I was always for signing TO, I knew what it would force defenses to do, and I felt TO's problems were always from contract problems. I've never had an agenda against TO. I only have an agenda against a grown man with a ten milion dollar contract, and professional obligations, who I feel maybe tried to harry karry himself for a ridiculous reason. You can take down the entire team in more ways than one. I think the Boys are strong enough to endure this, but if TO really did try to do something crazy like this, it only takes away from the ultimate goal of this team which is to win a Super Bowl this year. That's all I'm concerend about. I've never had problems with TO or was against him signing. I'm only against players who can't get their act together. It may be suicide allegations, but it's the same as driving drunk, partying late night, and other irresponsible actions by pro football players. If you can't get your head straight, don't sign on the dotted line and take down the rest of the team with you.

[stasheroo]

Again, if it was a suicide attempt as some still believe, how was he released from the hospital?

[iceberg]

My last comment, which I distinctly stated was an opinion, was the only opinion I added. Everything else is exactly what Irvin stated. I've been on TO's arse about why he would try something this stupid after a ten million dollar contract and the obligations of a professional football player. How am I going to make something up? I obviously don't want it to be true. The only agenda is from people like you who couldn't sniff out the facts from the get-go and don't want to look wrong if some of the ambigious facts of this event are starting to make it look like TO actually did try to snuff himself out. You watch the Irvin interview and you'll see what I mean by my sidebar comments. Other people have commented on this too. Irvin looks sad, even a little confused.

maybe you just seemed to "happy" TO was having problems earlier. maybe you just came across that way - i've got to read YOUR views much like you're reading irvins.

and irvin has been through this. AGAIN - remember when he was crucified by the media for the gun/rape incident? maybe he's seeing it all over again - that would be enough to bring me down. you live and work with people who are all too eager to believe the 1st negative thing said and then even more eager to egg it on out of their personal views about that person.

the hardest thing to do is seperate how you feel with how you think. but look what happened - even with a vast majority of evidence to show he DID NOT try to kill himself, you're still fishing for reasons to push that he did.

maybe he did. maybe he didn't. that's my stance. the vast majority of the stances i've read want to say he did it and when confronted with evidence to show otherwise, it's rejected so we can read into irvins emotions to find a nugget of hope that you and others were right in that he did.

i'm still waiting for the entire story to come out. i wish more would do the same.

[Doomsday101]

We should know that they are just trying to protect Owens. We will probably never know the truth, but holding him out a game or something is a horrible thing to do as that idiot John Clayton is saying.

Taking away the one thing he loves is a horrible idea. It was said, all a man needs is someone to love. If you can't give him that, then give him something to hope for. If you can't give him that, just give him something to do. Football is that something for TO.

People who try to take their own life’s are not going to deny it afterwards because the attempt in and of itself is a means to reach out for help. If TO comes out and says this was an accident then people should have the decency to believe the guy and not hang this over his head.

[iceberg]

People who try to take their own life’s are not going to deny it afterwards because the attempt in and of itself is a means to reach out for help. If TO comes out and says this was an accident then people should have the decency to believe the guy and not hang this over his head.

now this is not always true either. i was on the phone at 2am one night with a very drunk friend (well, at the time) who said if he had the $ he'd go out and buy a gun and end it all - NOW. he said what his tax refund would be and how helpful it would be to get it over with.

the next day i called back to check in and asked about it and it was a total denial fest. when i mentioned his tax refund to the penny he cussed me out for making stuff up and hung up on me.

some people are just mental.

[munkee]

I would be careful not to make up stories about what is going on here. All we know is what is being reported and it's conflicting at best.

[iceberg]

I would be careful not to make up stories about what is going on here. All we know is what is being reported and it's conflicting at best.

i'd be careful about being a voice of reason in a mob situation. you tend to become the target. : )

[Deep_Freeze]

People who try to take their own life’s are not going to deny it afterwards because the attempt in and of itself is a means to reach out for help. If TO comes out and says this was an accident then people should have the decency to believe the guy and not hang this over his head.

Umm, yes, they will deny it. It is a cry out for help to CERTAIN people, not everyone. Believe me, I know from experience.

[Dallas]

One of the reasons I hate when things like this happen. Huge stories break w/ a high profile Dallas Cowboy and its all pure speculation from everyone.

Nobody wants to wait to hear from the man. Nope - that might job my breaking news bit. Half of you posters here are worse than some of the mediots w/ your TO agendas. Take a break already till you hear the words from the horse.

Pump the brakes folks. :cool:

[zrinkill]

Again, if it was a suicide attempt as some still believe, how was he released from the hospital?

Bingo .....

[Deep_Freeze]

now this is not always true either. i was on the phone at 2am one night with a very drunk friend (well, at the time) who said if he had the $ he'd go out and buy a gun and end it all - NOW. he said what his tax refund would be and how helpful it would be to get it over with.

the next day i called back to check in and asked about it and it was a total denial fest. when i mentioned his tax refund to the penny he cussed me out for making stuff up and hung up on me.

some people are just mental.

See, what you said was right on, although i don't like the last word you used, mental.

I will say it and say it again, there is a HUGE stigma with mental health. If you are sucidual, if you are depressed, you are all of a sudden "crazy", "nuts", "mental", whatever.

That is a horrible label, and noone wants to live with it, thus they deny the label by denying its existance.

[Deep_Freeze]

Again, if it was a suicide attempt as some still believe, how was he released from the hospital?

Great question, but as they have said, it isn't a criminal act in Texas, so from what I hear, it might not be illegal for him to go home. Again, that depends on Texas state law, of which I don't know for sure about. Now I know I'm in Arkansas, and the law here states you do have to keep them for 72 hours, but it could be different there.

[TtownCowboy]

A. He's been released from the hospital already and is going to hold a press-conference from his home this afternoon. That is not a suicide attempt. Possibly an adverse or allergic reaction to the pain meds. Also, who knows what supplements he is taking that could have messed w/the pain killers. Not to mention his answers to the police may have been based on him not being right mentally from what he was taking. Anybody see the Chad Johnson video after getting the concussion? He was out of his gord.
B. If it was a suicide attempt, saying he is an idiot cause he's gonna screw up this and screw up that and he is just stupid is stupid. If he attempted suicide he has a mental problem that needs to be addressed period. It's not like, "he's an idiot if he would commit suicide when he's got all that money and all that talent". It's just not quite that simple.

[iceberg]

See, what you said was right on, although i don't like the last word you used, mental.

I will say it and say it again, there is a HUGE stigma with mental health. If you are sucidual, if you are depressed, you are all of a sudden "crazy", "nuts", "mental", whatever.

That is a horrible label, and noone wants to live with it, thus they deny the label by denying its existance.

i don't care much for it either, but it's a word for a reason and there are going to be times the word fits all too well. if the person in question doesn't like it - change. but i've gotten tired of having to "dumb down" things so people don't get offended by the original word.

and if i could go on about this person, mental would fit all too well. if he doesn't like being called it he should quit acting it. making people change the word doesn't change someone's behavior.

[Doomsday101]

now this is not always true either. i was on the phone at 2am one night with a very drunk friend (well, at the time) who said if he had the $ he'd go out and buy a gun and end it all - NOW. he said what his tax refund would be and how helpful it would be to get it over with.

the next day i called back to check in and asked about it and it was a total denial fest. when i mentioned his tax refund to the penny he cussed me out for making stuff up and hung up on me.

some people are just mental.

I agree some say things in the moment. But once a person attempts to take their life they have hit rock bottom their no looking for denial they are look for help.

[iceberg]

I agree some say things in the moment. But once a person attempts to take their life they have hit rock bottom their no looking for denial they are look for help.

well, if you're looking for a difference between talking about it and actually doing it - that opens up another area i'm not sure about.

[Doomsday101]

Umm, yes, they will deny it. It is a cry out for help to CERTAIN people, not everyone. Believe me, I know from experience.

I have lost 3 close friends so suicide I have dealt with the subject as well and sought counseling because of the guilt. If a person wants to kill themselves they will vast majority of attempts is a cry for help.

[CrazyCowboy]

Case closed.......Irvin said so!

[Deep_Freeze]

i don't care much for it either, but it's a word for a reason and there are going to be times the word fits all too well. if the person in question doesn't like it - change. but i've gotten tired of having to "dumb down" things so people don't get offended by the original word.

and if i could go on about this person, mental would fit all too well. if he doesn't like being called it he should quit acting it. making people change the word doesn't change someone's behavior.

It ain't that easy for him to change. The old saying, "crazy people don't know they are crazy". He might never acknowledge it cause of it isn't all that nice to be called crazy.

If he is a real friend of yours, just be there for him to talk to in good times and bad.

[Doomsday101]

It ain't that easy for him to change. The old saying, "crazy people don't know they are crazy". He might never acknowledge it cause of it isn't all that nice to be called crazy.

If he is a real friend of yours, just be there for him to talk to in good times and bad.

then again he may be telling the truth and did not try to take his own life. To a big extent you have to take people at face value when it comes to their own welfare. To say well he is not going to tell the truth about it is no better than the BS the media loves to toss around.

[iceberg]

It ain't that easy for him to change. The old saying, "crazy people don't know they are crazy". He might never acknowledge it cause of it isn't all that nice to be called crazy.

If he is a real friend of yours, just be there for him to talk to in good times and bad.

i never said it was easy, but my "friendly" choice of words won't help. he's acting mental so i'll say so. making it a less offensive word doesn't change how he's acting.

he was a real friend for quite awhile. when i had enough knives in my back and lies to my face, i threw in the towel. he finally mentaled his way to where i just don't care to ever talk to him again. his call, mental or not.

[Deep_Freeze]

I have lost 3 close friends so suicide I have dealt with the subject as well and sought counseling because of the guilt. If a person wants to kill themselves they will vast majority of attempts is a cry for help.

That is what I am saying. Yes, it is a cry out for help, but the cry maybe for only a limited amount of people. Maybe it is a cry out to a past girlfriend/wife. Maybe it is a cry out to your parents or your boss. Yes, it is a cry out, but with the stigma involved with mental health and sucide, the cry out maybe not to everyone in the entire world.

[iceberg]

That is what I am saying. Yes, it is a cry out for help, but the cry maybe for only a limited amount of people. Maybe it is a cry out to a past girlfriend/wife. Maybe it is a cry out to your parents or your boss. Yes, it is a cry out, but with the stigma involved with mental health and sucide, the cry out maybe not to everyone in the entire world.

rest assured i was there to help despite the cussing me out, and everything else he chose to do along the way. i was there long past when most of my friends were going "wow, you're still trying to help???"

you can "cry out" all you want. till you stand up and try, you're just crying.

[Deep_Freeze]

i never said it was easy, but my "friendly" choice of words won't help. he's acting mental so i'll say so. making it a less offensive word doesn't change how he's acting.

he was a real friend for quite awhile. when i had enough knives in my back and lies to my face, i threw in the towel. he finally mentaled his way to where i just don't care to ever talk to him again. his call, mental or not.

That is why I said if he is a real friend. If he hasn't been a friend to you, then there is no reason to stress over it as much.

[Doomsday101]

That is what I am saying. Yes, it is a cry out for help, but the cry maybe for only a limited amount of people. Maybe it is a cry out to a past girlfriend/wife. Maybe it is a cry out to your parents or your boss. Yes, it is a cry out, but with the stigma involved with mental health and sucide, the cry out maybe not to everyone in the entire world.

If he did try to kill himself. I don't think that is the case and the more I'm hearing the more I do believe that this was not a suicide attempt. For anyone to say he is not telling the truth or those who are friends of his are just covering up is as bad as the media and trying to create their own story line.

[Deep_Freeze]

then again he may be telling the truth and did not try to take his own life. To a big extent you have to take people at face value when it comes to their own welfare. To say well he is not going to tell the truth about it is no better than the BS the media loves to toss around.

My point is at this point we won't know for sure, and really, I don't think it is our business to know. The media doing this is a big part of the problem anyway. I hope the people around him just treat him with respect and be there for him, if they are his inner circle.

[iceberg]

That is why I said if he is a real friend. If he hasn't been a friend to you, then there is no reason to stress over it as much.

it's very difficult for me to talk away from my friends. even when pushed and shown the door. i stressed a lot the final 2 weeks, after that i just let it go. some people are hellbent on self-destruction and you can see them do it all the time.

back to TO - we've never seen TO be "self-destructive" in a physical sense unless pushing too hard counts. that's why this may sound good for a movie but doesn't add up in reality.

[Doomsday101]

My point is at this point we won't know for sure, and really, I don't think it is our business to know. The media doing this is a big part of the problem anyway. I hope the people around him just treat him with respect and be there for him, if they are his inner circle.

Well believe what you want if TO is saying this is not a suicide attempt I'll take his word I think he knows his own mental state better than any of us.

[iceberg]

If he did try to kill himself. I don't think that is the case and the more I'm hearing the more I do believe that this was not a suicide attempt. For anyone to say he is not telling the truth or those who are friends of his are just covering up is as bad as the media and trying to create their own story line.

you just made me breathe a sigh of relief, doom. i wish more people could be this objective.

[Deep_Freeze]

Well believe what you want if TO is saying this is not a suicide attempt I'll take his word I think he knows his own mental state better than any of us.

If you went up to my ex-wife and asked her had she ever attempted sucide, she would tell you no. But, she did.

What I say is this, if you listen to anything I say at all, something this personal is his business, and maybe the person he is crying out to or his inner circle. These days, the media likes to know everything about people. Some things, we just don't need to know, cause it ain't our business and that person doesn't want to deal with our reaction to the truth.

[Doomsday101]

you just made me breathe a sigh of relief, doom. i wish more people could be this objective.

I have never been a big fan of his but to hear people saying well TO is not going to say he did and others are covering up or the only thing that counts is some initial report from police is the whole truth when even the police are not commenting is pretty sick. It is like saying TO weather you believe it or not you have a mental illness and need help? Who are they to say this?

[iceberg]

I have never been a big fan of his but to hear people saying well TO is not going to say he did and others are covering up or the only thing that counts is some initial report from police is the whole truth when even the police are not commenting is pretty sick. It is like saying TO weather you believe it or not you have a mental illness and need help? Who are they to say this?

fall is coming on. people need good conspiracies to keep them warm.

[Deep_Freeze]

it's very difficult for me to talk away from my friends. even when pushed and shown the door. i stressed a lot the final 2 weeks, after that i just let it go. some people are hellbent on self-destruction and you can see them do it all the time.

back to TO - we've never seen TO be "self-destructive" in a physical sense unless pushing too hard counts. that's why this may sound good for a movie but doesn't add up in reality.

True, sometimes you just can't help. It is up to that person to find happiness. Only a good friend will hang with you that long, and if he does get through this, even if you never hear from him again, he will be appreicative.

[Doomsday101]

If you went up to my ex-wife and asked her had she ever attempted sucide, she would tell you no. But, she did.

What I say is this, if you listen to anything I say at all, something this personal is his business, and maybe the person he is crying out to or his inner circle. These days, the media likes to know everything about people. Some things, we just don't need to know, cause it ain't our business and that person doesn't want to deal with our reaction to the truth.

But what if he is telling the truth? With your attitude I can understand why there is a stigma attacked to it. TO says I did not try to do it yet your going to say yes you did? Come on, is he going to be hearing stories from the media how he tried to kill himself even if that is not true for the rest of his life? How would you feel if you were in that situation where your say really folks this was an accident and not have people believe you?

[Deep_Freeze]

But what if he is telling the truth? With your attitude I can understand why there is a stigma attacked to it. TO says I did not try to do it yet your going to say yes you did? Come on, is he going to be hearing stories from the media how he tried to kill himself even if that is not true for the rest of his life? How would you feel if you were in that situation where your say really folks this was an accident and not have people believe you?

I'm just saying a public statement to the nation might not be what really happened. Clinton didn't have any relations to that girl, lol.

Your not getting what I am saying though. I don't think it is our business to know, personal issues are in fact, personal. I hate the whole process with the media and everything, like TO has to answer to us. It is his issues, and his alone. Maybe he didn't, and if he didn't, cool. But we aren't the ones he has to answer to.

[DallasInDC]

Pastor was there with TO last night when he accidentally OD'd, allergic reaction.
Publicist has talked to Irvin and said, "Why would he committ suicide in front of me and his pastor?"


and from the Ed Werder Recap:
His publicist was at the house and made the call. Yesterday she was playing the role of friend, today she seems to be playing the role of publicist.


I find these three statements puzzling. Why would his publicist be at his house at midnight even if it is playing the role of friend (assuming it was not for initimate relations)? and more intriguing is why was his pastor at his house? at the exact same time this incident occured? Considering he had to be on the field the next day it seems awfully strange that he would be keeping company at this time a night especially with his pastor. I would suspect that they usually only makes house calls at that time of night to console, comfort and counsel difficult situations. This seems to peculiar to me.

[Doomsday101]

I'm just saying a public statement to the nation might not be what really happened. Clinton didn't have any relations to that girl, lol.

Your not getting what I am saying though. I don't think it is our business to know, personal issues are in fact, personal. I hate the whole process with the media and everything, like TO has to answer to us. It is his issues, and his alone. Maybe he didn't, and if he didn't, cool. But we aren't the ones he has to answer to.

If he felt he did not have to answer this he would not be holding a press conference about it. So evidently he does feel the need to set the record straight

[Deep_Freeze]

If he felt he did not have to answer this he would not be holding a press conference about it. So evidently he does feel the need to set the record straight

Well, it is a public matter now, he has to address it. What I'm saying is that I wish the media and everyone would just leave him alone, he shouldn't have to speak to us, but that is the way it is cause of his stature.

The publist is the one that said all of that, but as a person with her background, her totally changing from what she said last night just appears to be spin control. She shouldn't have to spin it, really, but the public will force it.

[Doomsday101]

Well, it is a public matter now, he has to address it. What I'm saying is that I wish the media and everyone would just leave him alone, he shouldn't have to speak to us, but that is the way it is cause of his stature.

The publist is the one that said all of that, but as a person with this background, her totally changing from what she said last night just appears to be spin control. She shouldn't have to spin it, really, but the public will force it.

What ever I don't think the man tried to kill himself. You want to believe he did fine by me.

[Hoofbite]

Irvin is on ESPN right now with the guy from Outside the Lines.......


he has his hand wrapped just like TO.......anyone know what happened to him......

[Deep_Freeze]

What ever I don't think the man tried to kill himself. You want to believe he did fine by me.

Your ignoring what I'm saying. It doesn't matter either way, the media is making a big deal about this for no reason. It shouldn't be analyzed like this.

[Doomsday101]

Your ignoring what I'm saying. It doesn't matter either way, the media is making a big deal about this for no reason. It shouldn't be analyzed like this.

Media is reacting to the police report without allowing more info to come out before doing so. To an certain degree I would agree with you.

[risco]

Said TO was very excited about this season. (This is in response to report from Michael Smith on ESPN who talked to an anonymous friend who claims TO told him he was depressed about this situation in Dallas, the lingering injuries, the continuing press attention.)
Talked to TO last night when it happened. Also talked to him a few minutes ago.
TO told Michael Irvin that he took too many pills on accident, had the allergic reaction. TO claims his hand was really hurting after practice, was trying to make a miracle comeback from his injury, and mistakenly took to many supplements and painkillers.
Pastor was there with TO last night when he accidentally OD'd, allergic reaction.
TO tried to answer police questions to best of his ability, was foggy.
Denied to Michael Irvin that he committed suicide.
TO and his publicist wouldn't go into any detail about the preliminary police report with Michael Irvin.
Michael Irvin didn't notice any talks with TO lately that gave away depression or any signs of suicide.
Publicist has talked to Irvin and said, "Why would he committ suicide in front of me and his pastor?"
Gotta tell you, if you watch that interview, it's pretty sobering. Not your typical amped up Michael Irvin. I honestly (and this is my opinion) think that Irvin suspects suicide, but has to go with what his friend says.


Mike look confused... He's not making clear statements... JMO..

Risco

[Deep_Freeze]

Media is reacting to the police report without allowing more info to come out before doing so. To an certain degree I would agree with you.

We are saying similar things. You don't think he did it, I don't care cause he doesn't have to tell me.

The police report and the publist saying it was a lie is fishy to me. BP not checking on him bothers me.

But as long as he is fine, none of the rest of it matters. Just leave him alone.

[Doomsday101]

We are saying similar things. You don't think he did it, I don't care.

The police report and the publist saying it was a lie is fishy to me. BP not checking on him bothers me.

But as long as he is fine, none of the rest of it matters. Just leave him alone.

TO said he didn't that is good enough for me.

[Deep_Freeze]

TO said he didn't that is good enough for me.

Unfortunately, this will be talked about for days. You know, the police have that 911 call on tape, lol, wonder if that will ever come out.

[Doomsday101]

Unfortunately, this will be talked about for days. You know, the police have that 911 call on tape, lol, wonder if that will ever come out.

Yes the 911 will come out the local Dallas media has already requested them and do have the right to get them.

[Deep_Freeze]

Yes the 911 will come out the local Dallas media has already requested them and do have the right to get them.

Well, TO doesn't bother me at all, I think you know that. My problem is the people around him don't seem to protect him. Leaked reports about him are common place, noone is trying to protect his rep. His publicist saying or not saying whatever, BP not even checking on him, no teamate has been said to even check on him.......god, he doesn't need enemies with friends like that.

[Doomsday101]

Well, TO doesn't bother me at all, I think you know that. My problem is the people around him don't seem to protect him. Leaked reports about him are common place, noone is trying to protect his rep. His publicist saying or not saying whatever, BP not even checking on him, no teamate has been said to even check on him.......god, he doesn't need enemies with friends like that.

Protect him? His publicist called 911 because she was concerned about him. Reporters have police scanners I'm sure they were at the hospital before TO got there and they reported on the info they got from a police report. As for what Parcells or teammates did or did not do I'm not going to comment because I don't know how much they knew or did not know and when they did find out what was taking place.

[Deep_Freeze]

Protect him? His publicist called 911 because she was concerned about him. Reporters have police scanners I'm sure they were at the hospital before TO got there and they reported on the info they got from a police report. As for what Parcells or teammates did or did not do I'm not going to comment because I don't know how much they knew or did not know and when they did find out what was taking place.

Well, I get that from the police report. I don't see how she can say that was made up. If, in fact, she said all of that, she wasn't protecting him cause it wasn't true. She would have been overdramatizing. But if she didn't say it, well, are the police crooked?? Possible, lol. The tape will be out soon enough I guess.

You are right, we don't know what the team did, but we knew this story, I have to believe that BP got a call last night. And probably rolled over, lol.

[tyke1doe]

Protect him? His publicist called 911 because she was concerned about him. Reporters have police scanners I'm sure they were at the hospital before TO got there and they reported on the info they got from a police report. As for what Parcells or teammates did or did not do I'm not going to comment because I don't know how much they knew or did not know and when they did find out what was taking place.


Bingo!

We have scanners, and sometimes we're on the scene before the rescue personnel.

You can't hide most of that information, and to be quite honest, it wouldn't be unheard of for a reporter to obtain an unofficial version of the police report.

[LaTunaNostra]

Mike look confused... He's not making clear statements... JMO..

Risco
he looked like he had spent at least 48 straight hours ministering to a friend.

prolly preparing Owens for the "barrage".

[tyke1doe]

Well, I get that from the police report. I don't see how she can say that was made up. If, in fact, she said all of that, she wasn't protecting him cause it wasn't true. She would have been overdramatizing. But if she didn't say it, well, are the police crooked?? Possible, lol. The tape will be out soon enough I guess.

You are right, we don't know what the team did, but we knew this story, I have to believe that BP got a call last night. And probably rolled over, lol.


The police didn't make that information up. They have to be very careful in detailing their reports.

What I believe is that the publicist panicked. A lot of times in such situations, people get hysterical. I envision her finding a groggy TO, panicking, and then trying to remove pills from TO's mouth.

When rescue workers arrive, she is basically grilled about what happened and she says that TO took too many pills. She's probably asked a lot of questions and because she assumes the worse, she responds accordingly.

I think it's telling that in the press conference she doesn't deny the fact that she tried to remove pills from TO's mouth. That's a natural reaction to a person who has possibly taken too many pills.

Heck, I've tried to do that with my youngest son, immediately check his mouth and sweep his mouth if I assume he has ingested too many pills. (My youngest son is autistic so that's why I would have done such.)

[Doomsday101]

The police didn't make that information up. They have to be very careful in detailing their reports.

What I believe is that the publicist panicked. A lot of times in such situations, people get hysterical. I envision her finding a groggy TO, panicking, and then trying to remove pills from TO's mouth.

When rescue workers arrive, she is basically grilled about what happened and she says that TO took too many pills. She's probably asked a lot of questions and because she assumes the worse, she responds accordingly.

I think it's telling that in the press conference she doesn't deny the fact that she tried to remove pills from TO's mouth. That's a natural reaction to a person who has possibly taken too many pills.

Heck, I've tried to do that with my youngest son, immediately check his mouth and sweep his mouth if I assume he has ingested too many pills. (My youngest son is autistic so that's why I would have done such.)

I agree. I don't think anyone did anything wrong. The publicist called 911 in fear of TO life and being is a state of panic is understandable. The police did their job along with the emergency group who responded to the call. The media who has access to police scanners responded to what was taking place and reported based off the reports filed by the officers who responded to the call. If anyone over reacted it was the fans and the public

[Deep_Freeze]

I agree. I don't think anyone did anything wrong. The publicist called 911 in fear of TO life and being is a state of panic is understandable. The police did their job along with the emergency group who responded to the call. The media who has access to police scanners responded to what was taking place and reported based off the reports filed by the officers who responded to the call. If anyone over reacted it was the fans and the public

True, she could have panicked. But if that is the case, why get on national TV and lie, basically saying she didn't do it. We don't know what happened, and apparently BP or his teamates doesn't know or care either, lol.

[Doomsday101]

True, she could have panicked. But if that is the case, why get on national TV and lie, basically saying she didn't do it. We don't know what happened, and apparently BP or his teamates doesn't know or care either, lol.

As far as I know she has said she did call this in. As for BP and teammates I don't know what they knew and when they knew it.

[Deep_Freeze]

As far as I know she has said she did call this in. As for BP and teammates I don't know what they knew and when they knew it.

Yes, she said she called it in. But she said in the press conference that she didn't say sucide, depressed, or anything about taking the pills out of his mouth, nothing. So if the police are right, and she did say all that, she just flat out lied on TV. The tape is out there, and will come out sooner or later, to see which one was telling the truth.

We know someone is lying, just don't know who.

[dopestyzo]

Yes, she said she called it in. But she said in the press conference that she didn't say sucide, depressed, or anything about taking the pills out of his mouth, nothing. So if the police are right, and she did say all that, she just flat out lied on TV. The tape is out there, and will come out sooner or later, to see which one was telling the truth.

We know someone is lying, just don't know who.


So she was telling the truth or we just wanna believe what we want it to be.
Lotta people and the chatter boxes seems to say, "we might never know the truth. I guess we wanted him to say. "Yea i was trying to kill myself but it didn't work out"

[JoeCorrado]

This Bang Cartoon just about sums it up. Good stuff!

http:// .com/cartoons/index.cfm/fa/viewcartoon/cartoon/2006Archive|tosuicide.swf