Collinworths says Haynesworth should be arrested!

[sjordan6]

Chris Collinsworth says Haynes worth should be arrested and charged! I so much agree with this. This was a premeditated act against a defenseless person. I hope with the T.O. mess and the unfair assault on Andre that this only rallys the Boys and have an us against them attitude.

[The30YardSlant]

That could be classified as assault. If it had happened on the street, he would have been arrested and charged on the spot.

[Clove]

That could be classified as assault. If it had happened on the street, he would have been arrested and charged on the spot.I mentioned the same thing when I first saw it.

[stag hunter]

He should be suspended for a long time but that's ludicrous to say he should be arrested

[stag hunter]

That could be classified as assault. If it had happened on the street, he would have been arrested and charged on the spot.

You'd also get arrested and charged for assault if you threw a 100 mile an hour fastball at someone, or ran them into a wall on the highway with your car... the point is, it didnt' happen on the street so he won't get charged with assault and he shouldn't. Poor argument

[JGalt]

He should be suspended for a long time but that's ludicrous to say he should be arrested

Just curious. What to you would be an arrestable offense, if anything?

[jimmy40]

Chris Collinsworth says Haynes worth should be arrested and charged! I so much agree with this. This was a premeditated act against a defenseless person. I hope with the T.O. mess and the unfair assault on Andre that this only rallys the Boys and have an us against them attitude.Would it have been as horrible if it would have been Collinsworth's head?

[zrinkill]

So if you hit someone laying on the ground helpless with a baseball bat ....it ok if its during a game?

:confused: please.

[The30YardSlant]

You'd also get arrested and charged for assault if you threw a 100 mile an hour fastball at someone, or ran them into a wall on the highway with your car... the point is, it didnt' happen on the street so he won't get charged with assault and he shouldn't. Poor argument

Hitting someone with a fastball and maliciously stomping on someone's face to the point of almost costing someone their sight are two completely different situations. The play was over, it was not during the game.

He should be arrested for it, just like that Hockey player was 2 years ago for slamming a guy into the ice and breaking his face

[TheKey]

We know if it happened on the street it would be a crime, but so would laying someone out at full speed. The football field isnt the street, and cant be judged as one. 4 game suspension, 75K and whatever Fisher wants to tack on.

[theogt]

Hitting someone with a fastball and maliciously stomping on someone's face to the point of almost costing someone their sight are two completely different situations. The play was over, it was not during the game.

He should be arrested for it, just like that Hockey player was 2 years ago for slamming a guy into the ice and breaking his faceWhat about maliciously hitting someone with a 90+ MPH fastball? I think that was his point, and it happens quite a bit. That could certainly lead to loss of eye sight.

[zrinkill]

So I guess if Roy Williams pulls out a knife and kills someone its ok ..... as long as its on the field :rolleyes:

[The30YardSlant]

What about maliciously hitting someone with a 90+ MPH fastball? I think that was his point, and it happens quite a bit. That could certainly lead to loss of eye sight.

When pitchers intentially hit players to make a point, they don't go for the head. Guys who get hit in the head were not intended to be hit.

[The30YardSlant]

So I guess if Roy Williams pulls out a knife and kills someone its ok ..... as long as its on the field :rolleyes:

No, but I'll bet Sean Taylor has checked into it

[Clove]

No, but I'll bet Sean Taylor has checked into it:laugh1:

[theogt]

When pitchers intentially hit players to make a point, they don't go for the head. Guys who get hit in the head were not intended to be hit....and I'm sure Haynesworth didn't intend for Gurode to lose his eyesight. What's your point?

[JGalt]

The fastball comparison falls apart when you consider that the pitch is thrown in the course of game play. If the pitcher threw one at a player in the on-deck circle, I think he would be arrested. When facing a player in the batter's box, he can always say it was accidental. There is no way to prove malicious intent.

[LaTunaNostra]

No, but I'll bet Sean Taylor has checked into it


:laugh2: :laugh2:

[ComicBookGuy]

What about maliciously hitting someone with a 90+ MPH fastball? I think that was his point, and it happens quite a bit. That could certainly lead to loss of eye sight.
The MLB is and always will be an exception to the rules. It's the only legal trust in the US. It is America's past time, no matter how popular football gets. Why do you think the government took such an interest in the MLB steroid issue? It wasn't because baseball was the only one with that problem.

[The30YardSlant]

...and I'm sure Haynesworth didn't intend for Gurode to lose his eyesight. What's your point?

But he did try to step on his head

[zrinkill]

But he did try to step on his head

No ..... he Stomped his head ...... what he did was like what happened in American History X

[LaTunaNostra]

But he did try to step on his head

HH, stomp, not step.

[The30YardSlant]

HH, stomp, not step.

I don't like the word "stomp". I just bugs me :laugh2:

[theogt]

No ..... he Stomped his head ...... what he did was like what happened in American History XThanks for bringing that memory back.

[theogt]

The MLB is and always will be an exception to the rules. It's the only legal trust in the US. It is America's past time, no matter how popular football gets. Why do you think the government took such an interest in the MLB steroid issue? It wasn't because baseball was the only one with that problem.Just to let you know, if Gurode or any hitter ever wanted to press charges, they could.

[zrinkill]

Thanks for bringing that memory back.

sorry ...... but maybe you needed it to be brought back because thats exactly what happened today except that there was no concrete under gurode's head.

He pulled his helmet off ..... kicked him ...... then stomped his face ......

[Chuck 54]

geeze...I can't believe the things being argued about today.

Haynesworth is NOT going to be arrested or even charged with anything.

Unfortunately, the injury turned out much worse than the kick...I saw it many times, like the rest of you, and it didn't even look that bad to me.

Wrong...yes.
Penalty...yes.
suspension....yes.

But gee...he didn't "stomp" Gurode's head into the ground. He tripped over Gurode's shoulder, not his head...I don't think he had anything to do with Gurode losing his helmit...he was past Gurode and kicked back at him, a short, jabbing kick, not a brutal, powerdown, stomping against the ground. Gurode's head only moved a few inches, and he didn't even drop to the ground, staying on his hands and knees...I'm sure he was stunned, but probably shocked to even have blood...we saw him walk out with ice on his head and come back with his patch...we never even saw any blood get on his uniform, and it wasn't gushing out while he was on his hands and knees.

I was actually shocked that he needed so many stitches, but I'm guessing it was for several cleat scratches from the shoe as it raked across his head more than direct impact...that's how i saw it.

I'm not defending him...he's got an anger problem, but the guy didn't do something that ranks among the worst ever on a football field.

[The30YardSlant]

sorry ...... but maybe you needed it to be brought back because thats exactly what happened today except that there was no concrete under gurode's head.

He pulled his helmet off ..... kicked him ...... then stomped his face ......


Exactly, it was premeditated and intentional outside of gameplay

[jobberone]

I doubt Gurode would sign a warrant but an officer of the court for that county could sign it himself. It was assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature. Doubt this gets to the legal arena.

A civil matter for any medical costs like plastic surgery is possible. I doubt this too as the Titans will likely take care of anything like that if necessary.

He'll get fined and suspended for x games and they will try to quieten it down for the good of the league.

JMO

[rexrobinson]

First you cannot prove if a pitcher intended on hitting a player or if it was an errant throw.

The point is, the rules for battery are different on the playing field than in the public, however, the players are not immune to being prosecuted for malicious acts.

This guy pulled his helmet off of the victim and kicked him in the back of the head then looked down and stomped his face and raked his shoe across as he came down. This can only be described as malicious attack intended to cause bodily harm and that IS NOT PROTECTED by special set of rules given to players in a sporting event.

The local government many times turns their cheek to things like this as well. For instance did Mike Tyson get any sort of jail time for biting off portions his opponents ear TWICE in one match? No but it was illegal none the less.

[tecolote]

The play was over, Gurode was on the ground without a helmet, he was stepped on the face with nothing but malicious intent by a 300 plus pound man wearing cleats. Pitchers often hit batters on purpose, but its part of the game, this was something else.

It´s a good thing it only resulted in some stitches, it could´ve been much worse.

[Dale]

You'd also get arrested and charged for assault if you threw a 100 mile an hour fastball at someone, or ran them into a wall on the highway with your car... the point is, it didnt' happen on the street so he won't get charged with assault and he shouldn't. Poor argument

Poor analogy.

If he had stepped on Gurode's head while running through a play, this wouldn't be an issue -- just like hitting a player in the head with a baseball within the game isn't arrestable.

But to purposely cleat his face after a play -- and after first removing the player's helmet, nonetheless -- certainly seems like a different animal. Wasn't there a hockey player arrested a few years back for attacking a guy during a game with his stick?

I'd imagine if Haynesworth had removed his own helmet and started beating Gurode over the head with it, that, too, would be "arrestable." Doesn't matter if it happened during the game or not.

[The30YardSlant]

geeze...I can't believe the things being argued about today.

Haynesworth is NOT going to be arrested or even charged with anything.

Unfortunately, the injury turned out much worse than the kick...I saw it many times, like the rest of you, and it didn't even look that bad to me.

Wrong...yes.
Penalty...yes.
suspension....yes.

But gee...the didn't "stomp" Gurode's head into the ground. He tripped over Gurode's shoulder, not his head...I don't think he had anything to do with Gurode losing his helmit...he was past Gurode and kicked back at him, a short, jabbing kick, not a brutal, powerdown, stomping against the ground.

I'm not defending him...he's got an anger problem, but the guy didn't do something that ranks among the worst ever on a football field.

Are you serious? He put all his weight behind it, Gurode's head hits the turf and recoils he stomped him so hard.

I defy you to name 3 worse offenses on a football field

[Bob Sacamano]

Chris Collinsworth says Haynes worth should be arrested and charged! I so much agree with this. This was a premeditated act against a defenseless person. I hope with the T.O. mess and the unfair assault on Andre that this only rallys the Boys and have an us against them attitude.

hey, if a hockey player can get charged for assaulting an opponent w/ a stick, Haynesworth can too, that's assault what he did, plain and simple

[Bob Sacamano]

He should be arrested for it, just like that Hockey player was 2 years ago for slamming a guy into the ice and breaking his face

I don't remember that one, but you remember the hockey player 2 years ago who hit a guy in the face w/ his stick during a game?

[Dale]

Are you serious? He put all his weight behind it, Gurode's head hits the turf and recoils he stomped him so hard.

I defy you to name 3 worse offenses on a football field

No kidding.

Let's let a 300-pound man stomp and grind twice with cleats on any of our faces and see what happens.

[Bob Sacamano]

...and I'm sure Haynesworth didn't intend for Gurode to lose his eyesight. What's your point?

he intended to cause harm, that's assault

[theogt]

he intended to cause harm, that's assaultOf course it is. No one is questioning that.

[LaTunaNostra]

But gee...the didn't "stomp" Gurode's head into the ground. He tripped over Gurode's shoulder, not his head...I don't think he had anything to do with Gurode losing his helmit...he was past Gurode and kicked back at him, a short, jabbing kick, not a brutal, powerdown, stomping against the ground.



Wayne, I will look again, but I saw two 'assaults' - a jabbing kick AND a stomp flush on the unprotected head.

It was the most egregious post-play action I ever recall in pro football. Because the man was down, and totally defenseless, sans helmet. Because there was no provocation. Because a man of Haynesworth's mass did appear to 'stomp'. Because it was a double shot to an area which could have left the player blinded. And because it was a tw0 dozen stitch wound.

Sure, we're probably over-reacting tonight to some degree, but if you recall the hysteria over the Marcus Vick stomp to a player's calf (which rightly got him kicked off the team), then this is a legit reaction to a much more vicious act.

We'd all benefit from reviewing it again (by morning it might be an attack with spiked cleats), but the reaction of the mediots tonight is equally aghast.

[Dale]

I'll admit I don't know as much about legal issues as I should, but I'm not sure whether he "meant" for him to lose his eyesight really matters.

He twice stepped on his face intentionally -- after removing Gurode's helmet, no less. You don't have to be all that smart to know cleats can do some damage to the face.

This case notwithstanding, I'm sure a lot of crimes are committed by people who "didn't mean to do it."

[Bob Sacamano]

a short, jabbing kick

it wasn't that little, Gurode's head shot back up, sort of a sideways whiplash, so obviously he used more force than necessary

[Dale]

Wayne, I will look again, but I saw two 'assaults' - a jabbing kick AND a stomp flush on the unprotected head.

It was the most egregious post-play action I ever recall in pro football. Because the man was down, and totally defenseless, sans helmet. Because there was no provocation. Because a man of Haynesworth's mass did appear to 'stomp'. Because it was a double shot to an area which could have left the player blinded. And because it was a tw0 dozen stitch wound.

Sure, we're probably over-reacting tonight to some degree, but if you recall the hysteria over the Marcus Vick stomp to a player's calf (which rightly got him kicked off the team), then this is a legit reaction to a much more vicious act.

We'd all benefit from reviewing it again (by morning it might be an attack with spiked cleats), but the reaction of the mediots tonight is equally aghast.

Good post.

I'll never forget my reaction to seeing Vick's stomp. At the time, I thought it was one of the most classless acts I had ever seen on the football field. I applauded Va. Tech removing the nut from their team.

This incident blows that out of the water.

[ComicBookGuy]

Just to let you know, if Gurode or any hitter ever wanted to press charges, they could.

Actually any hitter would have a very difficult time proving it in a trial court. It would be his word versus the pitcher. Civil court, maybe. But they might have a difficult time winning since you are pretty much putting yourself in harms way when you are standing about 6 inches from an area where a guy is throwing an object that ways about a third of a pound 90+ mph.

[Bob Sacamano]

Of course it is. No one is questioning that.

then he can be charged

[bounce]

I think it was terrible - possibly an arrestable offense, but don't make it sound worse than it was.

He didn't put all his weight behind it. If he did, Gurode would be dead.

He didn't "stomp" down, he jabbed his foot down.

He didn't grind his cleats.

Terrible thing he did, but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.

[theogt]

I'll admit I don't know as much about legal issues as I should, but I'm not sure whether he "meant" for him to lose his eyesight really matters.

He twice stepped on his face intentionally -- after removing Gurode's helmet, no less. You don't have to be all that smart to know cleats can do some damage to the face.

This case notwithstanding, I'm sure a lot of crimes are committed by people who "didn't mean to do it."The purpose of my post was to show that the specific intent of any particular damage is irrelevant.

[Bob Sacamano]

but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.

not really, just stating that it was a pathetic showing and can be charged as assault

[theogt]

then he can be chargedYes, he absolutely can be charged. The question is, should he be charged?

[ComicBookGuy]

I think it was terrible - possibly an arrestable offense, but don't make it sound worse than it was.

He didn't put all his weight behind it. If he did, Gurode would be dead.

He didn't "stomp" down, he jabbed his foot down.

He didn't grind his cleats.

Terrible thing he did, but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.

....right, next time somebody stabs you in the face causing cuts large enough for 30 stitches(do you realize how big a cut has to be or how many cuts are necessary for 30 stitches?) I hope you don't go complain about it, because it wasn't so bad that you were lucky to survive.

[Bob Sacamano]

The purpose of my post was to show that the specific intent of any particular damage is irrelevant.

so fat Albert's specific intent was...

[big dog cowboy]

Chris Collinsworth says Haynes worth should be arrested and charged!

I knew one of these days he would say something I agree with.

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes, he absolutely can be charged. The question is, should he be charged?

I think he should, although someone on the COwboys will probably intercede on his behalf assuming his league, and team punishment, is fitting in their eyes

[theogt]

I think he should, although someone on the COwboys will probably intercede on his behalf assuming his league, and team punishment, is fitting in their eyesI don't think you'll find a government in the United States that would prosecute. Just saying.

[LaTunaNostra]

I think it was terrible - possibly an arrestable offense, but don't make it sound worse than it was.

He didn't put all his weight behind it. If he did, Gurode would be dead.

He didn't "stomp" down, he jabbed his foot down.

He didn't grind his cleats.

Terrible thing he did, but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.


I saw a jab AND a stomp.

Raising the foot until it's roughly at the height of mid calf and then bringing the foot down with even controlled force qualifies as a stomp.

The fat thing probably couldn't raise his leg any higher.

[JGalt]

I think it was terrible - possibly an arrestable offense, but don't make it sound worse than it was.

He didn't put all his weight behind it. If he did, Gurode would be dead.

He didn't "stomp" down, he jabbed his foot down.

He didn't grind his cleats.

Terrible thing he did, but you guys are making it look like it was a malicious beating that Gurode is lucky to survive.

I've finally seen it, thanks to this board. You're correct, it wasn't attempted murder. I haven't read anyone asking for him to get the chair though. It most certainly is an offense worthy of a month in stir.

[ComicBookGuy]

I've finally seen it, thanks to this board. You're correct, it wasn't attempted murder. I haven't read anyone asking for him to get the chair though. It most certainly is an offense worthy of a month in stir.

Nah, they don't give the chair in Texas. WE WANT LETHAL INJECTION RAWR!:chainsaw:

[dbair1967]

He should be suspended for a long time but that's ludicrous to say he should be arrested

why? did you see what he did? he could have easily blinded or even killed Gurode

I think they charged a hockey guy with assualt during a game from a few season ago...this is no different...I dont know what kind of cleats Haynesworth had on, but they might could be considered a weapon considering what he did...it wasnt an accident

David

[bounce]

....right, next time somebody stabs you in the face causing cuts large enough for 30 stitches(do you realize how big a cut has to be or how many cuts are necessary for 30 stitches?) I hope you don't go complain about it, because it wasn't so bad that you were lucky to survive.

Hey chief - do you want to re-read my post? Did I say it wasn't bad? Did I not say it's possibly an arrestable offense?

Did I say not to complain about it?

I said don't say that Haynesworth put all his weight on Gurode's face.

Don't say Haynesworth ground his cleat into Gurode's face.

Don't say he stomped down. There's a distinct difference between a stomp and a jab.

Because they're simply not true. It didn't happen at all like that, and there's plenty of footage to back that up.

I think Haynesworth is a schmuck, and anything less than a full year's suspension is crap. I think he should be fined out the *** - but I'm not embellishing what actually happened.

[DLCassidy]

Peter King said he expected he would be fined but not suspended. That's absurd. He should be suspended at least a month and if he was kicked out for the year I don't think that would be excessive- that's how blatant the foul was. I think you'd be surprised some of the stuff that goes on in the trenches so I don't think he should be charged, although clearly he could be. Part of why I think not is Gurode's injuries are not season/career threatening. But he has to sit at least 4 games IMO.

[rexrobinson]

Have any of you ever been kicked in the face let alone "curb" stomped like Gurode got? Most of us get the severity of this but some do not...

You can definitly be killed by something like what he did...neck injuries, brain damage and missing his head and crushing his throat come to mind...

There is a reason they wear a helmet...

[zrinkill]

Hey chief - do you want to re-read my post? Did I say it wasn't bad? Did I not say it's possibly an arrestable offense?

Did I say not to complain about it?

I said don't say that Haynesworth put all his weight on Gurode's face.

Don't say Haynesworth ground his cleat into Gurode's face.

Don't say he stomped down. There's a distinct difference between a stomp and a jab.

Because they're simply not true. It didn't happen at all like that, and there's plenty of footage to back that up.

I think Haynesworth is a schmuck, and anything less than a full year's suspension is crap. I think he should be fined out the *** - but I'm not embellishing what actually happened.

Someone needs their eyesight checked.

[dbair1967]

I'm not defending him...he's got an anger problem, but the guy didn't do something that ranks among the worst ever on a football field.

ok, what would rank worse on the football field than what we saw today? I've seen alot of tragic accidents that would be worse because of the consequences, but what happened today wasnt an accident..it was done with malicious intent and could have easily blinded or even killed Gurode

its the worst thing I have ever witnessed on the football field, I really dont see how you can argue that it isnt that bad

David

[bounce]

Someone needs their eyesight checked.

Would that be me, or people who are fabricating the accounts of what actually happened?

Just to clarify..

[Cbz40]

I've been watching football for a long time and I can honestly say I have never seen anything that blatant.

[ComicBookGuy]

How exactly do you think he caused 30 stitches worth of damage without stomping? I've been stepped on by metal cleats and they gave me the option of 3 stitches or a couple of butterfly bandages. Not 30 stitches. That requires a large amount of force.

[big dog cowboy]

I've been watching football for a long time and I can honestly say I have never seen anything that blatant.

I'm with ya there pops. Crazy crazy stuff.

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think you'll find a government in the United States that would prosecute. Just saying.

I bet you they would if someone decided to pursue this

[The30YardSlant]

I've been watching football for a long time and I can honestly say I have never seen anything that blatant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWICKgtSAYo

[bounce]

How exactly do you think he caused 30 stitches worth of damage without stomping? I've been stepped on by metal cleats and they gave me the option of 3 stitches or a couple of butterfly bandages. Not 30 stitches. That requires a large amount of force.

Because stomping is defined as "..to strike the ground with the foot, as in anger or frustration." So, the people who are saying that's what he did are implying that he pinned Gurode's head to the ground. Mainly - the people who didn't see the tape are going to think the it was some sort of savage beating.

It was a kick. A jab. Heinous. Malicious and suspension worthy. Arrest worthy, even.

But he wasn't Ed Norton out there telling a guy to bite the curb.

What happened on American History X was a stomp. What happened in Jacksonville isn't even in the same echelon as that. And I'm sorry if people can't distinguish the two.

[Bob Sacamano]

a stomp, kick, same difference

[Cbz40]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWICKgtSAYo

That was classic........Gogan was ready to get his moneys worth...:laugh2:

But......Not even close as to what happened today.

[ComicBookGuy]

Well since you are getting all technical, the definitions of "stomp" are as follows:
-To tread or trample heavily or violently on.
-To tread or trample heavily or violently
-A dance involving a rhythmical, heavy step

And I'm pretty sure it ain't the last one. So yes it was a stomp, and nobody is emblishing it.

[The30YardSlant]

That was classic........Gogan was ready to get his moneys worth...:laugh2:

But......Not even close as to what happened today.

As malicious? No

As blantant and intentinal? Yeah

And the way Gogan squared up for that fight is hilarious :lmao2:

[bounce]

a stomp, kick, same difference

in fact they're not - and that's the only thing I'm arguing. People are asking what happened because they didn't see it, and by comparing it to a 'curb stomp,' it's making it sound a lot worse than it was.

That said - I still hate Haynesworth, and hope he doesn't see the field in '06 again.

[Yeagermeister]

I've been watching football for a long time and I can honestly say I have never seen anything that blatant.

The only thing I have seen as blatant was Marcus Vick stomping Dummerville's leg.

[Cbz40]

The only thing I have seen as blatant was Marcus Vick stomping Dummerville's leg.

I saw that incident as well.....I believe This incident beats it.;)

[Yeagermeister]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWICKgtSAYo

I had never seen that before, I was overseas at that time. Gogan was ready to go lol

I also noticed Jeff Fisher was an assistant coach for the Iggles.

[ZeroClub]

I saw that incident as well.....I believe This incident beats it.;)Me too. I agree wholehearted.

[ComicBookGuy]

in fact they're not - and that's the only thing I'm arguing. People are asking what happened because they didn't see it, and by comparing it to a 'curb stomp,' it's making it sound a lot worse than it was.

That said - I still hate Haynesworth, and hope he doesn't see the field in '06 again.

He held his foot parallel to the ground and pressed down. If that isn't then, will you please, demonstrate to everybody who isn't clear on what constitutes a stomp?

[Yeagermeister]

I saw that incident as well.....I believe This incident beats it.;)

That was only one of them for Vick. He elbowed an assistant coach in the head, from behind of course, after he went out of bounds.

[Cbz40]

That was only one of them for Vick. He elbowed an assistant coach in the head, from behind of course, after he went out of bounds.

Well Yeag this has to be worse because it happened to one of our players. ;) :)

[Yeagermeister]

Well Yeag this has to be worse because it happened to one of our players. ;) :)

No doubt....oh wise one :D

[The30YardSlant]

That was only one of them for Vick. He elbowed an assistant coach in the head, from behind of course, after he went out of bounds.

Do not question the all knowing CBZ!!! :mad:

:)

[Bob Sacamano]

the worst hit ever has to be Kermit Washington sucker punching Rudy TOmjonavich, CBZ, you know what I'm talking about

[Cbz40]

Do not question the all knowing CBZ!!! :mad:

:)

That's a very obtuse observation HH!!!!!:lmao2:

[Bob Sacamano]

in fact they're not - and that's the only thing I'm arguing. People are asking what happened because they didn't see it, and by comparing it to a 'curb stomp,' it's making it sound a lot worse than it was.

That said - I still hate Haynesworth, and hope he doesn't see the field in '06 again.

a curb stomp is actually placing an opponents open mouth over a curb, and stomping him in the back of the head, splitting his head open from ear to ear

what Haynesworth did, is still a stomp

[Cbz40]

the worst hit ever has to be Kermit Washington sucker punching Rudy TOmjonavich, CBZ, you know what I'm talking about

Yes....I had forgotten about that.

Do you remember the consequence for that incident?

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes....I had forgotten about that.

Do you remember the consequence for that incident?

I'm not that old, I just remember the incident

thank you Sportscenter!

[Cbz40]

I'm not that old, I just remember the incident

thank you Sportscenter!


I don't remember the fine ........ummmm I'll try to find the answer to my ???

[ComicBookGuy]

the worst hit ever has to be Kermit Washington sucker punching Rudy TOmjonavich, CBZ, you know what I'm talking about
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5792/1209/1600/rudytpunch.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ff3F0cysQU
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[Cbz40]

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Thank you Sir ....very interesting.

[tomson75]

curbed. i've seen it in person. the most awful thing i never hope to see again. what he did wasn't close. however, he deserves an arse wippen, and a heavy suspension.

[rgcowboys]

He should be suspended for atleast 8 games. I wonder what would be done if he did that to a quarterback? say what you wat the NFL looks after their qbs.

[Erik_H]

I tell ya what really gets me on this. The fact that Haynesworth stopped and took the time to bend down and remove Gurodes helmet first.

It wasn't too easy to see during the game (for me at least). And alot of the replays later also did not focus on that. But I caught a replay on BSPNews and you can then clearly see him bend down, pull off the helmet, stand up, give a kick, pause for half a second and then stomp down a second time.

Now that second stomp wasn't like he jumped up in the air and pounded all his weight down (as some embellishments here are leaning towards), but it looked as though he lifted his foot, paused for half a second to take aim, and tromped down on Gurode's head. There's got to be some extra punishement for that level of premediation. For cryin out loud, he took the time to remove the helmet first?!?

Now I was thinking that he should get about a 4 game suspension until someone here brought up the hypothetical "what if this had happened to a QB"

Holy Cow could you seriously imagine that? The outrage would be more deafening than all of Bill Parcell's accumulated silences combined!

I think he should get a year...he won't, but he should.


On the flip side, many props to Gurode. When a center frustrates a DT to that level, you know he's doing a good job.

[MRTRIPOD]

I agree and upset he was not arrested before the end of the game!

[Frozen700]

geeze...I can't believe the things being argued about today.

Haynesworth is NOT going to be arrested or even charged with anything.

Unfortunately, the injury turned out much worse than the kick...I saw it many times, like the rest of you, and it didn't even look that bad to me.

Wrong...yes.
Penalty...yes.
suspension....yes.

But gee...he didn't "stomp" Gurode's head into the ground. He tripped over Gurode's shoulder, not his head...I don't think he had anything to do with Gurode losing his helmit...he was past Gurode and kicked back at him, a short, jabbing kick, not a brutal, powerdown, stomping against the ground. Gurode's head only moved a few inches, and he didn't even drop to the ground, staying on his hands and knees...I'm sure he was stunned, but probably shocked to even have blood...we saw him walk out with ice on his head and come back with his patch...we never even saw any blood get on his uniform, and it wasn't gushing out while he was on his hands and knees.

I was actually shocked that he needed so many stitches, but I'm guessing it was for several cleat scratches from the shoe as it raked across his head more than direct impact...that's how i saw it.

I'm not defending him...he's got an anger problem, but the guy didn't do something that ranks among the worst ever on a football field.


plzzzzz just ****

[AtlCB]

I'm taking the over and I bet Haynesworth doesn't appeal.

[the kid 05]

he intended to cause harm, that's assault

Of course it is. No one is questioning that.


last time i checked assault was a criminal offense....thus requiring a certain amount of jail time and hefty legal fines

[CanadianCowboysFan]

That could be classified as assault. If it had happened on the street, he would have been arrested and charged on the spot.

We get the same arguments re incidents in hockey, some have resulted in charges, although most are pled to conditional discharges, but the answer is, the incident did not happen on the street.

Haynesworth's actions were despicable but he will probably be fined and suspended. Charging him only pleases the vengeance we all want, will not clean up the game.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Motley, do you watch the same games we do? He deliberately stomped on his head. Andre's head didn't move far because it was already on the ground.

[ATurkishSeaOtter]

He held his foot parallel to the ground and pressed down. If that isn't then, will you please, demonstrate to everybody who isn't clear on what constitutes a stomp?

With all the american history x talk.....
I guess this calls for a NSFW

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zkT9SnT-8ew

[Zaxor]

1 game per stitch...

or $500,000 per stitch or a combination of both

if the disiplinary action is strong enough it might send the message this won't be tolerated

[Smith22]

geeze...I can't believe the things being argued about today.

Haynesworth is NOT going to be arrested or even charged with anything.

Unfortunately, the injury turned out much worse than the kick...I saw it many times, like the rest of you, and it didn't even look that bad to me.

Wrong...yes.
Penalty...yes.
suspension....yes.

But gee...he didn't "stomp" Gurode's head into the ground. He tripped over Gurode's shoulder, not his head...I don't think he had anything to do with Gurode losing his helmit...he was past Gurode and kicked back at him, a short, jabbing kick, not a brutal, powerdown, stomping against the ground. Gurode's head only moved a few inches, and he didn't even drop to the ground, staying on his hands and knees...I'm sure he was stunned, but probably shocked to even have blood...we saw him walk out with ice on his head and come back with his patch...we never even saw any blood get on his uniform, and it wasn't gushing out while he was on his hands and knees.

I was actually shocked that he needed so many stitches, but I'm guessing it was for several cleat scratches from the shoe as it raked across his head more than direct impact...that's how i saw it.

I'm not defending him...he's got an anger problem, but the guy didn't do something that ranks among the worst ever on a football field.


Do you have Tivo? VCR? If so, watch the tape because you must have been watching a different game my friend. He did it twice, and he removed his helmet.

[Cowchips]

You'd also get arrested and charged for assault if you threw a 100 mile an hour fastball at someone, or ran them into a wall on the highway with your car... the point is, it didnt' happen on the street so he won't get charged with assault and he shouldn't. Poor argument

Of course he can be arrested. Ask the NHL hockey player who slashed another guys throat with his stick up in Canada if you can be arrested.

[Phoenix-Talon]

I don't alway agree with CHris Collingsworth's sports assessments, but he's right on the money this time. A clear message needs to be established in the NFL that unnecessary conduct on/off the field will not be tolerated. What better way for the new NFL commissioner to step in and make a stand on the side of justice for players.

I say one-week's incarceration per stitch.

[Funxva]

I don't know if anyone else saw, but I could have sworn he ripped his helmet off as well, then stomped his face 2 times.

[Sarge]

We know if it happened on the street it would be a crime, but so would laying someone out at full speed. The football field isnt the street, and cant be judged as one. 4 game suspension, 75K and whatever Fisher wants to tack on.

You are wrong. Ones' actions on the football field can absolutely get you arrested (or criminally charged) depending on the action(s) made.

[Dayton Cowboy]

You are wrong. Ones' actions on the football field can absolutely get you arrested (or criminally charged) depending on the action(s) made.

Morning Sarge,

Has there been a precedent for this type of action that stemmed from an assault like this on the football field? The Detroit basketball game with Artest comes to mind, but that was with fans.. I don't recall charges being brought up in a player to player assault?

[dbair1967]

Morning Sarge,

Has there been a precedent for this type of action that stemmed from an assault like this on the football field? The Detroit basketball game with Artest comes to mind, but that was with fans.. I don't recall charges being brought up in a player to player assault?

see NHL Hockey game from a couple yrs ago

there are others who knew the details who posted in this thread, but it has happened

David

[lspain1]

I watched the video earlier in this thread. I believe Haynesworth's actions rank up near the top of the incidents in the video. This NFL must take very severe disciplinary action in this case. I also think criminal sanctions should be considered although bringing the police in might leave the league open to unending litigation in the future. My guess is the penalty to the player will be severe and the police will stay out of it.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't like the word "stomp". I just bugs me :laugh2:

You need to listen to more P-Funk.

[Doomsday101]

In all the years of watching football this has to go down as one of the most chicken **** thing I have seen. While I don't agree with Collinsworth I was proud of the way Fisher responded after the game and expect to see a heavy fine and suspention for Haynesworth.

[CowboyPrincess]

I agree w/ Chris...Haynesworth deserves criminal charges for this. I watched it over and over again in slow mo. There were 3 kicks go Gurodes head. The first w/ his left foot w/ Gurodes helmet still on, deliberately took off his helmet with his hands, a step on his head and then the stomp. And he was looking at Gurode the whole time. It was totally premeditated.

Joe Theisman was just on M&M and he was outraged. He was calling for at least a 6 game suspension and a loss of half his salary. Said if Haynesworth couldn't control himself and could do something like that, he didn't need to be playing football

I opt for banning from the game and criminal charges

[jimmy40]

Chris Collinsworth says Haynes worth should be arrested and charged! I so much agree with this. This was a premeditated act against a defenseless person. I hope with the T.O. mess and the unfair assault on Andre that this only rallys the Boys and have an us against them attitude.The crazy thing about this is Haynesworth body slammed Gurode like a rag doll on the play, I don't understand why he was so pissed to begin with.

[BulletBob]

I tell ya what really gets me on this. The fact that Haynesworth stopped and took the time to bend down and remove Gurodes helmet first.

It wasn't too easy to see during the game (for me at least). And alot of the replays later also did not focus on that. But I caught a replay on BSPNews and you can then clearly see him bend down, pull off the helmet, stand up, give a kick, pause for half a second and then stomp down a second time.

Now that second stomp wasn't like he jumped up in the air and pounded all his weight down (as some embellishments here are leaning towards), but it looked as though he lifted his foot, paused for half a second to take aim, and tromped down on Gurode's head. There's got to be some extra punishement for that level of premediation. For cryin out loud, he took the time to remove the helmet first?!?

Now I was thinking that he should get about a 4 game suspension until someone here brought up the hypothetical "what if this had happened to a QB"

Holy Cow could you seriously imagine that? The outrage would be more deafening than all of Bill Parcell's accumulated silences combined!

I think he should get a year...he won't, but he should.


On the flip side, many props to Gurode. When a center frustrates a DT to that level, you know he's doing a good job.

Ding, Ding, Ding !!!!

:hammer:

HE BENT DOWN AND REMOVED GURODE'S HELMET FIRST!

As Erik so clearly stated, this is what moves the action from a passionate, over-the-limit, heat-of-the-game sports violation to a premeditated criminal act.

After the whistle had blown, Hayensworth removed Gurode's helmet, kicked him in the head, and stomped/raked his cleat down on Gurode's forehead.

If the NFL does not suspend this guy for the rest of the year, they will have proven themselves a court of fools.

Whether he sees criminal charges ... who knows? I certainly wouldn't be outraged by the prospect.

[cowboyfreak]

geeze...I can't believe the things being argued about today.

Haynesworth is NOT going to be arrested or even charged with anything.

Unfortunately, the injury turned out much worse than the kick...I saw it many times, like the rest of you, and it didn't even look that bad to me.

Wrong...yes.
Penalty...yes.
suspension....yes.

But gee...he didn't "stomp" Gurode's head into the ground. He tripped over Gurode's shoulder, not his head...I don't think he had anything to do with Gurode losing his helmit...he was past Gurode and kicked back at him, a short, jabbing kick, not a brutal, powerdown, stomping against the ground. Gurode's head only moved a few inches, and he didn't even drop to the ground, staying on his hands and knees...I'm sure he was stunned, but probably shocked to even have blood...we saw him walk out with ice on his head and come back with his patch...we never even saw any blood get on his uniform, and it wasn't gushing out while he was on his hands and knees.

I was actually shocked that he needed so many stitches, but I'm guessing it was for several cleat scratches from the shoe as it raked across his head more than direct impact...that's how i saw it.

I'm not defending him...he's got an anger problem, but the guy didn't do something that ranks among the worst ever on a football field.



I have watched this play several times and you are wrong on several accounts.

1. Haynesworth does bend down to rip off Gurodes helmet
2. He does kick Gurode and ...
3. if you'll look clearly can see that Gurode has a steady stream of blood pooring out of head into his hands/ground while on a replay after the commercial time-out.

[CowboyPrincess]

Originally Posted by wayne_motley
geeze...I can't believe the things being argued about today.

Haynesworth is NOT going to be arrested or even charged with anything.

Unfortunately, the injury turned out much worse than the kick...I saw it many times, like the rest of you, and it didn't even look that bad to me.

Wrong...yes.
Penalty...yes.
suspension....yes.

But gee...he didn't "stomp" Gurode's head into the ground. He tripped over Gurode's shoulder, not his head...I don't think he had anything to do with Gurode losing his helmit...he was past Gurode and kicked back at him, a short, jabbing kick, not a brutal, powerdown, stomping against the ground. Gurode's head only moved a few inches, and he didn't even drop to the ground, staying on his hands and knees...I'm sure he was stunned, but probably shocked to even have blood...we saw him walk out with ice on his head and come back with his patch...we never even saw any blood get on his uniform, and it wasn't gushing out while he was on his hands and knees.

I was actually shocked that he needed so many stitches, but I'm guessing it was for several cleat scratches from the shoe as it raked across his head more than direct impact...that's how i saw it.

I'm not defending him...he's got an anger problem, but the guy didn't do something that ranks among the worst ever on a football field.

Wrong on all accounts... Go back and watch it in slow motion and I bet you will change all that. You will see A.H come up from behind Gurode, kick him with his left foot, reach down and take off his helmet, step on his head as he steps over him, step back and then stomp/rake his face/forehead and A.H had his eyes on Gurode the entire time. And you will see a steady stream of blood going into Gurodes hands while he is on his hands and knees. In slow motion it is all very clear.


IMO the injury wasn't as bad as I thought it would. Gurode is very lucky that he didn't have a serious eye injury seeing as the stitches come pretty close to his eye