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BLT
10-03-2006, 05:24 PM
just some news... werent we interested in him when he was drafted or was that the other guy they got that year?
AbeBeta
10-03-2006, 05:26 PM
This guy really sucks.
skinsscalper
10-03-2006, 05:27 PM
The kid got OWNED last night against the Iggles. I'm happy with our own D-backs.

SS
junk
10-03-2006, 05:28 PM
I think Dallas had some mild interest in Joey Thomas who was drafted by the Packers. He was cut, picked up by NO and cut there as well.

From most accounts, Carroll has been a bust waiting to happen for awhile.
Deep_Freeze
10-03-2006, 05:28 PM
Wow, as a Hog fan, I never would have thought that he would fail this bad. Batman Carroll, least that is what he was known as at Arkansas, was one of my more favorite Hogs.

Hate to see this happen to him, hopefully he can get it together and be successful somewhere.
AbeBeta
10-03-2006, 05:31 PM
The kid got OWNED last night against the Iggles.

He's been owned every game he has played. Despite that, he talks smack to opposing WRs the entire game. I guess by the 4th quarter he's got to bust out gems like "Score 4 TDs against me! Awww, Hell No! Nobody puts up 24 points on Batman!"
Galian Beast
10-03-2006, 05:37 PM
I always like taking chances on players, maybe our coaches could help him out more than the Packers coaches who haven't been able to develop anyone at any position.

He would make an interesting 4th or 5th corner and return guy.
kTXe
10-03-2006, 05:49 PM
He's been owned every game he has played. Despite that, he talks smack to opposing WRs the entire game. I guess by the 4th quarter he's got to bust out gems like "Score 4 TDs against me! Awww, Hell No! Nobody puts up 24 points on Batman!"
:lmao:
Idgit
10-03-2006, 05:49 PM
I always like taking chances on players, maybe our coaches could help him out more than the Packers coaches who haven't been able to develop anyone at any position.

He would make an interesting 4th or 5th corner and return guy.

Except that our 4th and 5th corners can already play, and we don't need a return guy.
JonJon
10-03-2006, 05:56 PM
I think Dallas had some mild interest in Joey Thomas who was drafted by the Packers. He was cut, picked up by NO and cut there as well.

From most accounts, Carroll has been a bust waiting to happen for awhile.
I still wouldn't mind taking a chance on Joey Thomas. But Ahmad Carroll? No Thanks, the guy flat out stinks.
THEHEREAFTER
10-03-2006, 05:57 PM
Every time I see this guy play he not only gets abused but looks lost as if corner isn't his natural position. He's consistently getting penalized and abused.
AdamJT13
10-03-2006, 06:10 PM
I haven't really seen Carroll play this season (I Tivo'd last night's game and have watched only Philly's defense so far), but based on film review by K.C. Joyner and Football Outsiders, he wasn't that bad last season. He gave up some big plays, but he didn't allow a high success rate and he wasn't targeted very often. His numbers were better than a lot of highly regarded cornerbacks (Lito Sheppard, for example). If Carroll's attitude isn't a problem, he probably could be successful in a good system or at least as a nickel back.
superpunk
10-03-2006, 06:10 PM
He's been owned every game he has played. Despite that, he talks smack to opposing WRs the entire game. I guess by the 4th quarter he's got to bust out gems like "Score 4 TDs against me! Awww, Hell No! Nobody puts up 24 points on Batman!"

Brilliant.

When you're getting consistently owned by Greg Lewis, it's time to go.
The30YardSlant
10-03-2006, 06:19 PM
They released a first round pick in his second year?

Wow....
kTXe
10-03-2006, 06:20 PM
They released a first round pick in his second year?

Wow....
This is his third year.
AbeBeta
10-03-2006, 06:24 PM
This is his third year.

Is that better or worse than releasing your 2nd round pick in his 2nd year?
CrazyCowboy
10-03-2006, 06:26 PM
after last nights performance.......I salute Green Bay
dwmyers
10-03-2006, 06:27 PM
just some news... werent we interested in him when he was drafted or was that the other guy they got that year?

We may have wanted him at one time..the Eagles targeted him last night and just beat him senseless. Greg Lewis scored the first two NFL touchdowns of his life off Carrol.
Teague31
10-03-2006, 06:35 PM
the guy is terrible- think dwayne goodrich- without the manslaughter conviction of course.
Tuna Helper
10-03-2006, 06:46 PM
Intersting. I guess everyone is accountable for their own performance in Green Bay except for Brett Favre.
RealCowboyfan
10-03-2006, 06:47 PM
I believe with the right people around him he could suceed.
DipChit
10-03-2006, 06:49 PM
the guy is terrible- think dwayne goodrich- without the manslaughter conviction of course.

No doubt.

Last night it was like watching my neighbors throw the ball around when it's the 8 year old boy trying to cover his older brother thats an all state WR.
Wimbo
10-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Carroll was referred to (by PFT, I think), as the "Human Holding Penalty".
StanleySpadowski
10-03-2006, 07:45 PM
There has to be more to this release than just his play like a blow up with the coaching staff or off-field issue we haven't heard about.

If he doesn't have the talent to play in the NFL, what the heck was he doing out on the field when there were healthy alternatives sitting on the bench?

Did their HC wake up this morning and suddenly realize that he's terrible? If that's the case, he's the one who should be standing in the unemployment line.
Nomad
10-03-2006, 09:05 PM
I know this guy stinks, but I think it's crappy if they released him like some kind of scapegoat like he's the only one on that team that deserves it, that whole team is horrible. I hope they're not under the impression that they might have won that game had they only not started Carroll, and thats what it seems like since they cut him right after the game and they could have just benched him, no way they just realized how bad he is, sounds like excuses, even if he's bad he has to be better than their 3rd or 4th string CB.
dwmyers
10-03-2006, 09:21 PM
There has to be more to this release than just his play like a blow up with the coaching staff or off-field issue we haven't heard about.

If he doesn't have the talent to play in the NFL, what the heck was he doing out on the field when there were healthy alternatives sitting on the bench?


Carrol wouldn't have played but Charles Woodson was dinged up and he was Woodson's backup.

KC Joyner had this to say about Carrol in Scientific Football 2006:

Carrol had the highest percentage of deep passes thrown against him of any cornerback and tied for second in the number of deep passes allowed. Carrol also allowed nearly 2/3 of those passes to be successful, which is probably why teams kept throwing at him vertically.
CowboyChris
10-03-2006, 09:29 PM
Intersting. I guess everyone is accountable for their own performance in Green Bay except for Brett Favre.


No Doubt!! Why dont the Packers trade this guy?? and get something in return while they can, i mean whats the point of trotting him out there every sunday, all he is doing is futher delaying the future of the Packers, its like when we had Vinny Testaverde.
AdamJT13
10-03-2006, 09:40 PM
KC Joyner had this to say about Carrol in Scientific Football 2006:

Carrol had the highest percentage of deep passes thrown against him of any cornerback and tied for second in the number of deep passes allowed. Carrol also allowed nearly 2/3 of those passes to be successful, which is probably why teams kept throwing at him vertically.

But also according to Joyner's numbers, Carroll ranked 17th out of the 58 primary starting cornerbacks in success percentage, 23rd in yards allowed per opponent's pass and 12th in target percentage. So he didn't get picked on very much and didn't get beaten often, he just got beaten for some big plays occasionally (seven "deep" completions, according to Joyner). But Joyner also said he allowed only three TD passes.
jimmy4713
10-03-2006, 10:02 PM
http://www.wholehogsports.com/adg/146766/

Whole Hog Sports in Arkansas is reporting that there is more to the whole Ahmad Carroll story than meets the eye. The website reports, "An owner of a Fayetteville piano bar says former Arkansas Razorbacks receiver Dedrick Poole punched a doorman after he and Green Bay Packers cornerback Ahmad “Batman” Carroll barged inside, demanding star treatment."

This has been his M.O. since he got in the league. Big time ego, small time player.
tommyboy10
10-03-2006, 11:19 PM
All this is good and true, but the fact is that he will be picked up by someone....and most likely this week.

So, where do you think he ends up?
SkinsandTerps
10-03-2006, 11:43 PM
But also according to Joyner's numbers, Carroll ranked 17th out of the 58 primary starting cornerbacks in success percentage, 23rd in yards allowed per opponent's pass and 12th in target percentage. So he didn't get picked on very much and didn't get beaten often, he just got beaten for some big plays occasionally (seven "deep" completions, according to Joyner). But Joyner also said he allowed only three TD passes.

He was playing nickel this season though. Even sadder.

He didnt get picked on because that team was losing probably most games going into the half. And facing GB last season and those LBs its just as easy to throw underneath to TEs and RBs to get the 4 or 5 yards teams needed on 3rd downs.

BTW - He has poor technique, and spends too much time talking instead of taking care of business.
AdamJT13
10-04-2006, 12:19 AM
He didnt get picked on because that team was losing probably most games going into the half.

No, I mean that when the opponents did throw the ball last season, a low percentage of them were thrown at Carroll's man -- about 16.5 percent, using Joyner's numbers. (For comparison, Shawn Springs was thrown at about 18.7 percent of the time when he was on the field. And DeAngelo Hall was thrown at about 23.2 percent of the time, one of the highest rates in the league.) And a low percentage of those passes thrown at Carroll were successful.
SkinsandTerps
10-04-2006, 03:06 AM
No, I mean that when the opponents did throw the ball last season, a low percentage of them were thrown at Carroll's man -- about 16.5 percent, using Joyner's numbers. (For comparison, Shawn Springs was thrown at about 18.7 percent of the time when he was on the field. And DeAngelo Hall was thrown at about 23.2 percent of the time, one of the highest rates in the league.) And a low percentage of those passes thrown at Carroll were successful.

Understandable. I havent checked any stats yet (because, I am lazy when inebriated), but, I would suspect that because of a suspect LB corps and because the Packers D didnt get into as many 3rd down situations last year as other teams, and that the Packers possibly were behind most of the time, that he may not have been thrown at as often (which I agree with) but, that doesnt mean he played any better.

He simply hasnt improved since he first stepped foot on the field. That is a problem, and I wont blame it on him entirely as a player, I blame it on the piss poor management that he has been under for the last few years. There are several other teams he could have played for that would have furthered his development (including Dallas, New England, Pittsburgh, Washington, Philadelphia, etc.).
Qwickdraw
10-04-2006, 03:54 AM
That's being proactive.
Good for GB.
He got destroyed last night.
Over and over again.
And by Greg the crackhead Lewis.
BulletBob
10-04-2006, 08:28 AM
I believe with the right people around him he could suceed.

Yeah - Alfred the Butler and Dick Grayson.

:laugh1:
tommyboy10
10-04-2006, 04:05 PM
The story on him since his Razorback days has been that he is too full of himself. It's one thing to be dang good and be that way, and I am sure corners have to have kicker and closer's mentalities, forgeting things easily, but he has never been THAT kind of player. If someone would sign him, then kick his tail in a room for a while, and he would allow himself to be coached and get better, he could be good. If not, then good riddance! Someone else deserves his spot in the league.
RealCowboyfan
10-05-2006, 09:03 AM
:damn:
Hostile
10-05-2006, 09:05 AM
:damn:I was certain you were going to suggest we get him.
superpunk
10-05-2006, 09:07 AM
I was certain you were going to suggest we get him.


You beat me.
MichaelWinicki
10-05-2006, 09:08 AM
I don't see where he would have a place.
Hostile
10-05-2006, 09:11 AM
You beat me.I had to, you were out of line.
superpunk
10-05-2006, 09:14 AM
I had to, you were out of line.

:laugh2:

I gotta get me an animated gif I can go around from thread to thread, randomly posting it at the end.
Hostile
10-05-2006, 09:56 AM
:laugh2:

I gotta get me an animated gif I can go around from thread to thread, randomly posting it at the end.It needs to be about head trauma.
Muhast
10-05-2006, 10:25 AM
I'll go on a limb and say Atlanta signs him.

They already have one speedy cornerback who cant play corner (rossum) as a return man. Carroll would be like his protege'. Who knows. Being from Atlanta though i'd guess thats where he winds up
Doomsday101
10-05-2006, 10:27 AM
just some news... werent we interested in him when he was drafted or was that the other guy they got that year?

At one time we may have been interested now? I don't think so the guy has played very poorly this season.
dmek25
10-05-2006, 12:10 PM
No Doubt!! Why dont the Packers trade this guy?? and get something in return while they can, i mean whats the point of trotting him out there every sunday, all he is doing is futher delaying the future of the Packers, its like when we had Vinny Testaverde.
isnt this like when the cowboys kept trotting emmitt smith out there, week after week, when his legs were shot?favre isnt going anywhere
dwmyers
10-06-2006, 05:42 PM
But also according to Joyner's numbers, Carroll ranked 17th out of the 58 primary starting cornerbacks in success percentage, 23rd in yards allowed per opponent's pass and 12th in target percentage. So he didn't get picked on very much and didn't get beaten often, he just got beaten for some big plays occasionally (seven "deep" completions, according to Joyner). But Joyner also said he allowed only three TD passes.

I just looked at Scientific Football 2006 and your numbers are all off. Carrol was 28th in overall success percentage, and 61st in deep success percentage. He had 27 long passes thrown at him of which 17 were completed. I don't know what you read, but it wasn't the book I have in front of me.

David.