Impressed with T.O.'s pregame speech?

[REDVOLUTION]

At first I was very impressed... but then wondered if he REALLY meant it that much....

[Rampage]

nope:star:

[Maikeru-sama]

Didnt get to hear it, is there a transcript available?

[SupermanXx]

Didnt get to hear it, is there a transcript available?

He was in the middle of the team huddled around him and they showed the last few seconds of it

I don't remember all of it, but I do remember "this isn't about me, this is about US!" and "Together on 3, 1 2 3 TOGETHER" <-- (team in unison)

there was more

[Blue&Silver]

No comment.

[REDVOLUTION]

He contradicted himself.

But I'm sure he was misconstrued, and taking out of context.

He is a team player and they lost as a team. He's not pointing fingers

Then

You saw what happened out there. He wasn't pulling the trigger. He did his job.

Basically, throwing another QB under the bus.

~~Cringe~~...

yeah I caught that...he did say "we didnt pull the trigger though" right? LOL

but alot of us feel the same way about Drew... so is his act actually gonna benefit us in that regard?

[Bleu Star]

You're all falling into the media trap.... TO is not the bad guy. He has a burning desire to win. Hmm... Let me think back a few years to the time #88 had that same burbning desire on the sidelines and was very animated all the time... Please don't fall into the media trap.

He didn't say anything in hos post game PC to throw Drew under the bus...

Please don't fall into the media trap.

[Cochese]

TO made the trip to philly? Couldnt prove it by me.

[REDVOLUTION]

TO made the trip to philly? Couldnt prove it by me.

LMAO - good one :rolleyes:
shocking post considering your screen name

[Cochese]

LMAO - good one :rolleyes:
shocking post considering your screen name


God forbid anyone wants to see this mercenary EARN his money.

[LaTunaNostra]

You're all falling into the media trap.... TO is not the bad guy. He has a burning desire to win. Hmm... Let me think back a few years to the time #88 had that same burbning desire on the sidelines and was very animated all the time... Please don't fall into the media trap.

He didn't say anything in hos post game PC to throw Drew under the bus...

Please don't fall into the media trap.


They ALL have "a burning desire to win". Owens is no different, and no more anxious to win than anyone else. Every single player gets frustrated...but the ones with class keep it to themselves, or express it in helpful ways.

No one is falling into the 'media trap' either. Owens got considerable sympathy here for the nonsense the press spread about him not really having a hammy injury, and then again for the erstwhile "od".

But this is how I feel about him...I am sick and tired of his being the center of attention , even in defeat. It is not all about HIM, and instead of saying that and getting sound bytes from it, he could keep his lips totally buttoned until he actually does something to help this team.

Because thru four games, he's done exactly SQUAT. Just shut up and separate.

At this point, I'd actually prefer to see Crayton start - Owens has been that disappointing. The hand injury is the only thing he gets a pass on, and is the reason I'm not ready to barf at the very sight of him.

I don't want to hear his name again until he starts contributing.

[REDVOLUTION]

God forbid anyone wants to see this mercenary EARN his money.

Blinded by your hate for him?... HE WANTS to EARN his money for sure... that can never be questioned.

[sbuscha]

You're all falling into the media trap.... TO is not the bad guy. He has a burning desire to win. Hmm... Let me think back a few years to the time #88 had that same burbning desire on the sidelines and was very animated all the time... Please don't fall into the media trap.

He didn't say anything in hos post game PC to throw Drew under the bus...

Please don't fall into the media trap.


Thank you!!! Thank you!! He was even on the sidelines getting the "D" pumped up. In the huddle he said "this is not about me, this is about us." The guy just wants to win...who doesn't.

Shoot look at the comments here, just think if we had the media scrutny he deals with. :confused:

[Doomsday101]

At first I was very impressed... but then wondered if he REALLY meant it that much....

I was impressed by how he conducted himself during the post game press conference. I'm willing to take him at his word instead of trying to play mind reader or read between the lines. He was not there to point fingers and said maybe he needs to work harder as well. I'm not sure if I will ever be a big fan of TO but I was impressed by how he conducted himself despite his frustration at the loss.

[Cochese]

Thank you!!! Thank you!! He was even on the sidelines getting the "D" pumped up. In the huddle he said "this is not about me, this is about us." The guy just wants to win...who doesn't.

Shoot look at the comments here, just think if we had the media scrutny he deals with. :confused:

Its not like TO has done anything to deserve the scrutiny...oh wait, he has. He thrives on it.

[sbuscha]

But this is how I feel about him...I am sick and tired of his being the center of attention , even in defeat. It is not all about HIM, and instead of saying that and getting sound bytes from it, he could keep his lips totally buttoned until he actually does something to help this team.

and this is TO's fault. Why don't you put some of this blame on the media. Do you think he begs them to write stories about EVERYTHING he does? I have heard him ask to be left alone. There is no way you can blame him for this

I don't want to hear his name again until he starts contributing.

turn off your radio, TV and computer because unfortunalty he is a top story and the media is drooling trying to make a story.

"we have 64 pictures of him blowing up on the sidelines..." What next???

[Tuna Helper]

I could care less about his pregame speech.

He attempted to throw his QB under the bus in the post game commentary by saying "I don't pull the trigger."

I don't like Bledsoe either, but calling him out in the front of the press doesn't help matters.

He needs to simply shut his trap and play.

[Cochese]

and this is TO's fault. Why don't you put some of this blame on the media. Do you think he begs them to write stories about EVERYTHING he does? I have heard him ask to be left alone. There is no way you can blame him for this



Yes, blame the big bad media for TO being an attention hound. Good one, haddnt heard that before.

[LaTunaNostra]

Its not like TO has done anything to deserve the scrutiny...oh wait, he has. He thrives on it.

Unfortunately, the team doesn't.

Philly is a tempestuous division rivalry to begin with. And I will buy Tuna's claim today that 'the crowd' is not what our players have to worry about.

But the degree of emotion yesterday did not bode well for our team..and the early mistakes proved it.

My question is are there going to be TWO games each year in which our players, despite their best efforts and that of their coaches, have to be subordinated to a personal vendetta one player brought on himself in another city?
Two games like that each year as long as Owens is here?

Hopefully, yesterday was the first and last of that kind of environment. Philly is tough enough to play at to begin with, without the hype and distractions.

[Tuna Helper]

and this is TO's fault. Why don't you put some of this blame on the media. Do you think he begs them to write stories about EVERYTHING he does? I have heard him ask to be left alone. There is no way you can blame him for this

[B]

turn off your radio, TV and computer because unfortunalty he is a top story and the media is drooling trying to make a story.

"we have 64 pictures of him blowing up on the sidelines..." What next???


TO is a victim of his own media empire. When asked a question by the media, all he has to say is "No comment."

They will eventually leave him alone.

[SupermanXx]

I don't want to hear his name again until he starts contributing.

this post annoyed me so much....

*replays underthrown or out-of-reach passes over and over in my head*

you expect TO to contribute. Well, when the ball hasn't been thrown 10 miles south of the border, he's usually caught it and gotten good YAC. I've also seen him blocking well and so did Aikman and Daryl Johnston (last week)

you also see the D rolling a safety to his side and double covering him. That's indirect contribution, but contribution nonetheless

get him the damn ball and you won't be dissapointed

he can't WILL the ball to himself through telekenisis or whatever

He's a wide reciever, not a wizard

[LaTunaNostra]

and this is TO's fault. Why don't you put some of this blame on the media. Do you think he begs them to write stories about EVERYTHING he does? I have heard him ask to be left alone. There is no way you can blame him for this

[B]

turn off your radio, TV and computer because unfortunalty he is a top story and the media is drooling trying to make a story.

"we have 64 pictures of him blowing up on the sidelines..." What next???


If you bother reading this board, you will see on a daily basis the media derided for its lazy reliance on TO. (BTW, a Philly columnist this week wrote a good piece describing exactly how Owens makes life esier for scribes...no digging up stories needed when you've got TO to write about).

So don't give me this bologna that we've been duped by the press. We KNOW the media prefers the lazy way out.

On the other hand, it's time for Owens to do what the press did last week - refuse to say ANYTHING to the press. For the remanider of the year.

The oline did it, why can't he?

Or can he? Can he just shut up and play now? Is it within his realm of self-discipine to do so? Does he even want to?

All I know is for a guy who has done zilch but prove he can no longer handle double teams, he sure is 'visible'.

These are the players I want to hear about and hear FROM:

JJ, MBIII, Dre, Ware, Tnew, Watkins, Roy, TG, Crayton, Burnett, James, Ratliff, Canty, Spears....catch my drift?

[WV Cowboy]

But this is how I feel about him...I am sick and tired of his being the center of attention , even in defeat.

Whose fault is that? The media makes him the center of attention. Does Owens lead off every SportsCenter with himself? PTI , Round the Horn, Quite Frankly, Cold Pizza?
Does he write every article about himself ?
ESPN followed the team bus to the stadium for crying out loud.
Have you ever seen FOX or anyone put a little yellow arrow with a players name and number up pointing to that player on the field before a play starts.
It's ridiculous but it's not Owens, it's the media.
It is not all about HIM, and instead of saying that and getting sound bytes from it, he could keep his lips totally buttoned until he actually does something to help this team.

If he kept his lips buttoned he would get blasted for not talking to the media.

At this point, I'd actually prefer to see Crayton start - Owens has been that disappointing.
T. Glenn wouldn't catch another pass if teams stopped doubling Owens and started doubling him.

The hand injury is the only thing he gets a pass on, and is the reason I'm not ready to barf at the very sight of him.
You should have just posted this and then I wouln't have had to read the rest. This is your true feelings.

I don't want to hear his name again until he starts contributing.
Tell the media.

Owens is just playing football, he doesn't decide who networks put on TV, or who they write articles about or any of that.

We need to get him the ball more, .. maybe since we paid him millions to play here we ought to ask him to do more, .. just an idea.

[LaTunaNostra]

this post annoyed me so much....

*replays underthrown or out-of-reach passes over and over in my head*

you expect TO to contribute. Well, when the ball hasn't been thrown 10 miles south of the border, he's usually caught it and gotten good YAC. I've also seen him blocking well and so did Aikman and Daryl Johnston (last week)

you also see the D rolling a safety to his side and double covering him. That's indirect contribution, but contribution nonetheless

get him the damn ball and you won't be dissapointed

he can't WILL the ball to himself through telekenisis or whatever

He's a wide reciever, not a wizard

No one is saying the QB play is sufficient. But the ball hopping and grounding and high floaters are being sailed out to all the receivers and backs, and not just Owens.

In addition, for the supposed best receiver in the game Owens has not made any notable fantastic grabs, high light reel moves or uncanny displays of hands, speed, or toughness when the ball HAS been within his reach.

Good he's blocking and trying for YAC.

So is everyone else who's not on a 25 million a year contract
.
None of the receivers can will themselves the ball, but the badly or well thrown ones are at least going more often in Owens direction.

It's time to play like he did in Philly, whether Bledsoe has a day like he had vs JAX or a day like he had vs Washington.

Show you're the best, by separating and shutting up.

[Sportsbabe]

At first I was very impressed... but then wondered if he REALLY meant it that much....

I'm not being contentious, but why do we have to dissect his post game interview? We are no better than the talking heads if the guy can't voice his opinions and conduct his interviews just like the next man.

[Sportsbabe]

The hand injury is the only thing he gets a pass on, and is the reason I'm not ready to barf at the very sight of him.

I don't want to hear his name again until he starts contributing.

:lmao2: :lmao2:

Thanks for giving me something to laugh at today.

[Dave_in-NC]

They ALL have "a burning desire to win". Owens is no different, and no more anxious to win than anyone else. Every single player gets frustrated...but the ones with class keep it to themselves, or express it in helpful ways.

No one is falling into the 'media trap' either. Owens got considerable sympathy here for the nonsense the press spread about him not really having a hammy injury, and then again for the erstwhile "od".

But this is how I feel about him...I am sick and tired of his being the center of attention , even in defeat. It is not all about HIM, and instead of saying that and getting sound bytes from it, he could keep his lips totally buttoned until he actually does something to help this team.

Because thru four games, he's done exactly SQUAT. Just shut up and separate.

At this point, I'd actually prefer to see Crayton start - Owens has been that disappointing. The hand injury is the only thing he gets a pass on, and is the reason I'm not ready to barf at the very sight of him.

I don't want to hear his name again until he starts contributing.

WOW. That makes more sense than any thing I have read here in weeks.
Thank you.:D

[Sportsbabe]

I was impressed by how he conducted himself during the post game press conference. I'm willing to take him at his word instead of trying to play mind reader or read between the lines. He was not there to point fingers and said maybe he needs to work harder as well. I'm not sure if I will ever be a big fan of TO but I was impressed by how he conducted himself despite his frustration at the loss.

Nobody, nobody has mentioned the fact that he said "I need to practice more and look at the film and see what I need to do to get better." The only thing the reporters and media repeat is anything they can put a negative spin on.

[WV Cowboy]

I'm not being contentious, but why do we have to dissect his post game interview? We are no better than the talking heads if the guy can't voice his opinions and conduct his interviews just like the next man.

Good point, why do we have to dissect everything he does or says ??

Leave the guy alone.

If he burps or sneezes, it's on SportsCenter.

I am convinced some would find fault if he cured cancer or rescued somebody from a burning building.

The only thing he has done wrong since he came to Dallas is oversleep and miss a meeting.

The other stuff is just that, stuff the media has taken and overblown into something it's not.

[SkinsandTerps]

TO is responsible for his own media circus at this point he can control it. He can easily choose not to feed the frenzy. I never see Marvin Harrison, Torry Holt, or lots of other guys across the league getting the same kind of media attention that TO does. He is partially to blame. If he didnt like the attention he should refuse to do the interviews. Let the media talk and say whatever they want.

[Dave_in-NC]

No one is saying the QB play is sufficient. But the ball hopping and grounding and high floaters are being sailed out to all the receivers and backs, and not just Owens.

In addition, for the supposed best receiver in the game Owens has not made any notable fantastic grabs, high light reel moves or uncanny displays of hands, speed, or toughness when the ball HAS been within his reach.

Good he's blocking and trying for YAC.

So is everyone else who's not on a 25 million a year contract
.
None of the receivers can will themselves the ball, but the badly or well thrown ones are at least going more often in Owens direction.

It's time to play like he did in Philly, whether Bledsoe has a day like he had vs JAX or a day like he had vs Washington.

Show you're the best, by separating and shutting up.

You forgot to mention, the play accross the middle where he suddenly had no arms:eek:

[SultanOfSix]

Owens has hardly been a problem of his own making. Our biggest problem is Bledsoe. Nine turnovers in four games. That's your problem.

BP is all about percentages. Well, turning over the ball over three times in two games by yourself will cause your chances of losing to skyrocket.

[WV Cowboy]

Nobody, nobody has mentioned the fact that he said "I need to practice more and look at the film and see what I need to do to get better." The only thing the reporters and media repeat is anything they can put a negative spin on.

I'm with you SB, if he does something wrong here in Dallas I will be the first to say so.

I haven't seen it so far.

It is so obvious who the haters were prior to him coming to Dallas, because he hasn't done anything to hate since becoming a Cowboy.

[Cochese]

I'm with you SB, if he does something wrong here in Dallas I will be the first to say so.

I haven't seen it so far.

It is so obvious who the haters were prior to him coming to Dallas, because he hasn't done anything to hate since becoming a Cowboy.

He hasnt done anything to love either.

[Doomsday101]

Nobody, nobody has mentioned the fact that he said "I need to practice more and look at the film and see what I need to do to get better." The only thing the reporters and media repeat is anything they can put a negative spin on.

I agree I felt TO said the right things and did so in a moment where it was easy to see frustration on his face. We just lost and I clearly understand no player and especially TO likes to lose and yet he was able to keep it together. I hope he can continue to keep it together and hopefully we will not have too many more games like yesterday. As for anything he said on the sidelines without knowing what he was saying it would be unfair to say he was being negative or pointing fingers out there. It was clear he wanted the ball I understand that as well Mike would have been calling for the ball himself regardless if the defense was clamping down on him.

[LaTunaNostra]

It's ridiculous but it's not Owens, it's the media.

It is BOTH. A symbiotic relationship between a drama queen and a lazy sensation-seeking press.


If he kept his lips buttoned he would get blasted for not talking to the media.

Well, that's quite possible. But Bill would love him for it, and his teammates prhaps respect him more. Let's see TO at least try it.

T. Glenn wouldn't catch another pass if teams stopped doubling Owens and started doubling him.

True. Terry Glenn, who led the league in per catch reception yardage last year has NEVER beat a double team. :laugh2:


You should have just posted this and then I wouln't have had to read the rest. This is your true feelings.

Of course it's my true feelings. Like many fans, I was willing to put up with Owens because of what he could do for the team. I still am.

But he isn't doing much Crayton couldn't and he is NOT always doubled.


Tell the media.

Owens is just playing football, he doesn't decide who networks put on TV, or who they write articles about or any of that.

Of course not, but all his career he has fed the beast. Now I'd like to see him at least try to starve it.

So this team doesn't not have to live amidst the uproar.

We need to get him the ball more, .. maybe since we paid him millions to play here we ought to ask him to do more, .. just an idea.

We need to get all the receivers the ball more. But we made a deal with the devil and now can't deliver the goods.

Part of the problem is Bledsoe under pressure, but part is very possibly that TO is not what he was. And he's the only one can prove he is.....perhaps instead of throwing his arms in the air when Bledsoe throws a pick in front of him, he could actually chase down the intercepter. Perhaps he could refine his route running. His hands have never been that great, and his finger is broken, so perhaps he could understand that under those circumstances, and when he's doubled by coverage he can't escape, it's really not such a tragedy the QB under pressure does not throw his way.

Success breeds confidence in a receiver.

TO has to earn it even with a QB as flawed at DB.

[WV Cowboy]

He hasnt done anything to love either.

So that's a reason to hate ?

Why am I talking to you, you "name" says it all.

A broken hand does hamper a WR some I would think, so just be patient, if we can figure a way to get him the ball, instead of, "he's double covered, we can't throw it to him", he will do lot's of things to love with the ball.

Stop the hating until he does something wrong.

[Chocolate Lab]

Great posting, Herms.

Steve Dennis is on the radio saying he's hearing from some on the team that Owens was loafing some routes and ad-libbing others yesterday.

And if you notice, Parcells even said at his PC today that there seemed to be a less-than-full understanding of the offense from TO, and that it showed up a little yesterday.

Galloway heard the same thing about the ad-libbing from his scout for a neutral team, but I know anything he says, even if true, will be immediately discounted. :)

[Cochese]

So that's a reason to hate ?

Why am I talking to you, you "name" says it all.

A broken hand does hamper a WR some I would think, so just be patient, if we can figure a way to get him the ball, instead of, "he's double covered, we can't throw it to him", he will do lot's of things to love with the ball.

Stop the hating until he does something wrong.


Stop the praise until he starts earning his money.

[WV Cowboy]

Part of the problem is Bledsoe under pressure, but part is very possibly that TO is not what he was. And he's the only one can prove he is.....perhaps instead of throwing his arms in the air when Bledsoe throws a pick in front of him, he could actually chase down the intercepter. Perhaps he could refine his route running. His hands have never been that great, and his finger is broken, so perhaps he could understand that under those circumstances, and when he's doubled by coverage he can't escape, it's really not such a tragedy the QB under pressure does not throw his way.


He did say he would be working harder and trying to get better.

I think he downed both interceptions that were "underthrown in front of him" yesterday, and I think it was DB that stopped running on the 102 yd int he threw, ... only Barber tried to catch him.

When Owens does something wrong, come see me, until then, .. stop the hating and nitpicking.

[LaTunaNostra]

He hasnt done anything to love either.

Exactly.

The constant furor around him has translated into zip.

And it isn't about "hate", it's about honesty.

I think so many folks were so against him to begin with, they guility over-compensated and now refuse to view his performance the way they do every other player.

I always considered him both nuts and detrimental to his teams' solidarity, but I was not in that over-the top hate camp, so maybe it's easier for me to say what I think than others who bashed him mercilessly and now feel regret.

It's not about what the media says anymore, it's about what Owens does or doesn't do.

Just like Drew Bledsoe, or Bill Parcells (both who are being called out here today in spades)..Terrel Owens is NOT beyond criticism.

Or is he?

[SultanOfSix]

Stop the praise until he starts earning his money.

Why? Are you going to start calling him a thief?

Just earlier today you were blaming Bledsoe for not getting the ball to him. Now, are you changing your tune?

He can only catch balls that are thrown to him and do what the coaches tell him to do. As far as I know, he's done most of both. So, what is the issue again?

[WV Cowboy]

Stop the praise until he starts earning his money.
Was I praising him?

Maybe I was, not sure, but not much.

Just let the guy play.

[Cochese]

Why? Are you going to start calling him a thief?

Just earlier today you were blaming Bledsoe for not getting the ball to him. Now, are you changing your tune?

He can only catch balls that are thrown to him and do what the coaches tell him to do. As far as I know, he's done most of both. So, what is the issue again?


Except for that BLATANT drop he had yesterday across the middle, you might be right.

[Dave_in-NC]

Why? Are you going to start calling him a thief?

Just earlier today you were blaming Bledsoe for not getting the ball to him. Now, are you changing your tune?

He can only catch balls that are thrown to him and do what the coaches tell him to do. As far as I know, he's done most of both. So, what is the issue again?

He could also work to get open. I have yet to see that. All Wrs do it.

[SultanOfSix]

He could also work to get open. I have yet to see that. All Wrs do it.

LMAO. There have been numerous times where he has been open, but the ball never got to him.

This comment is a joke right?

[LaTunaNostra]

Great posting, Herms.

Steve Dennis is on the radio saying he's hearing from some on the team that Owens was loafing some routes and ad-libbing others yesterday.

Well, that's interesting CL, but to be fair, I'll wait to see if someone can point out just what those plays were.

All I know is he has not impressed me over four games, at ALL. I realize that "The Emperor Has No Clothes" is the shout no one wants to hear - too much money and emotion aready tied up in this venture, but it's even worse to pretend he's still the best receiver in the game when he may not be. THAT is what I see as unfair to Owens, because when the truth sinks in, he'll be the devil incarnate.

And if you notice, Parcells even said at his PC today that there seemed to be a less-than-full understanding of the offense from TO, and that it showed up a little yesterday.

What does HE know? ;)

Galloway heard the same thing about the ad-libbing from his scout for a neutral team, but I know anything he says, even if true, will be immediately discounted. :)

Well, Randy does have an agenda, so serves him right if he's right and no one believes him.

But sure, I expect to be roundly castigated as a 'hater' for daring mention TO has not yet paid off as advertised.:lmao:

[Dave_in-NC]

LMAO. There have been numerous times where he has been open, but the ball never got to him.

This comment is a joke right?

No its not. Instead of making it all about Bledsoe (which some of it is) the WRs can take some heat to.
Owens over the middle just yesterday, suddenly he had no arms.
Owens in the endzone, running along side the DB.
Some times they have to adjust or work to get open.
Show me where you have seen that from owens.
Glenn, Whitten and even Crayton did that yesterday.

[Chocolate Lab]

You could point out that Owens had dirty fingernails and get jumped on as a "hater" by some people. ;)

But really, this isn't going to get any better as long as he's here. What we see on these boards is just what happens in real life. Some love Owens for his admirable qualities, while others hate him for his less-than-admirable ones... Just like on the teams he's played for.

[SultanOfSix]

No its not. Instead of making it all about Bledsoe (which some of it is) the WRs can take some heat to.
Owens over the middle just yesterday, suddenly he had no arms.
Owens in the endzone, running along side the DB.
Some times they have to adjust or work to get open.
Show me where you have seen that from owens.
Glenn, Whitten and even Crayton did that yesterday.

Perhaps you didn't see the play where he slowed down, and then ran passed his cover guy, only to have Bledsoe short-arm it and throw the ball into the hands of the defensive back. So, instead of having a touchdown, we had another interception.

Perhaps you didn't see the play where Owens was wide open in the in the Jags game and Bledsoe failed to see him.

Owens is known for having the occasional dropsies. He did have one which he should have caught. But, the alligator arms incident was another badly thrown ball by Bledsoe. Too far in front.

I'm not the one claiming Owens hasn't been open. You're the one who stated that. All I have to do is show that he has, which I've done.

[Dave_in-NC]

Perhaps you didn't see the play where he slowed down, and then ran passed his cover guy, only to have Bledsoe short-arm it and throw the ball into the hands of the defensive back. So, instead of having a touchdown, we had another interception.

Perhaps you didn't see the play where Owens was wide open in the in the Jags game and Bledsoe failed to see him.

Owens is known for having the occasional dropsies. He did have one which he should have caught. But, the alligator arms incident was another badly thrown ball by Bledsoe. Too far in front.

I'm not the one claiming Owens hasn't been open. You're the one who stated that. All I have to do is show that he has, which I've done.

I'm not claiming he hasn't been open (and missed) either. I hate to see him pout on the sidelines. I can show you a hundred plays on any given Sunday that receivers are open and missed by any different number of QBs. part of the game.
what I can't show you is a bunch of those WRs pouting.

Like Nastratuna said, he hasn't lived up to the billing (maybe yet) either.

[dboyz]

Part of the problem is Bledsoe under pressure, but part is very possibly that TO is not what he was. And he's the only one can prove he is.....

I've seen you state something similar a few times, that TO is not what he was.

I have to say that after all the hammy stuff and the Minnesota game in the preseason I was a little nervous that TO might not have the same explosiveness that he once had. But after seeing him in the Jacksonville game subsequently, it looks like he has still got it. That spinning acrobatic catch in the endzone against Jacksonville was pretty good and from what I have seen he can still get separation. He was open during both of Bledsoe's interceptions deep.

Anyway, I'm just wondering why you are questioning whether he still has it. Now, he might need to polish up on the offense a bit, but I think the physical skills are still there.

[rojan]

Didnt get to hear it, is there a transcript available?

Did Newman acually say that about the 3 INTs by Bledsoe

[LenS]

I think that TO is up to his usual manipulative ways. The physical talent is still there. He's just holding back on it until Bledsoe is benched.

When he came to Philly, McNabb was ecstatic about having TO so TO put out the full effort. But Bledsoe made it clear that he wouldn't put up with the TO garbage that occurred in TO's year in Philly after the Super Bowl. At that point, Bledsoe became the enemy to TO. Unlike the start in Philly, where TO spent every possible moment working out with McNabb etal., TO went into his Garcia slowdown mode. He milked his "injury" so long that Bledsoe had very little time to work on that all important QB-WR timing with TO in the preseason.

And in the games, he's not doing the little things that help a struggling QB. When a pass is underthrown, he doesn't come back to knock down the potential interception. When a quick timing pass is thrown over the middle, he either alligator arms it or runs just a tad slower than normal, making the QB look bad when the ball flies out of reach. Even at a slightly slower speed, he's fast enough to get ahead of the defender a little bit, but running a tad slower than the QB expects means that QB looks stupid for throwing too far ahead. Worse, if another defender is downfield from that spot, it looks like he threw a stupid interception. And if TO runs a slightly different pattern than called for, he can get credit for being wide open but be in a spot where an immobile QB under great pressure won't have time to readjust to. By running his cut at a slightly different angle, he can again get his QB looking like an idiot.

Another trick is to follow any catch with a drop to undermine the QB's confidence in throwing to him. Then when the QB doesn't throw to him, TO complains about not getting the ball.

Any normal receiver wouldn't do these things because he wants to win. But TO is a mental case who craves the attention and enjoys showing that he's the boss. My guess is that his play will improve drastically if Romo gets the job. Then he'll go gangbusters to make his QB look good (ala 2004 in Philly) and he'll loudly proclaim look how good it is now -- making it clear that it was all Bledsoe's fault.

[LaTunaNostra]

Anyway, I'm just wondering why you are questioning whether he still has it. Now, he might need to polish up on the offense a bit, but I think the physical skills are still there.

TO at 85% is still the best receiver in the league, imo. I had a discussion with a fan here a year or so ago who took badly my contention that Randy Moss wasn't nearly the receiver Owens was. So my opinion of TO's talent and ability is extremely high.

I've watched him as a wco receiver for years, like the rest of us, and think three factors are impacting him negatively right now. The playbook, his mastery of it, and his physical status.

Much of Owens' amazing capacity for YAC came on his understanding of the wco passing system, not just his strength. Of course, when he was signed here it was agreed an elite receiver can be effective in any system, but our playbook does not speak highly to Owens' skills, imo. He was adept working in an O that by nature spread the defense out, and allowed him to weed out double coverage (and also had the byproduct of preventing box stacking). I think TO had a great grasp of both the horizontal and vertical stretch, and you seldom saw what happened on that crossing pattern yesterday.

Bledsoe does not excel at slants, hitches, shallow crosses, the kind of plays that Owens would make 50 yards out of from 7 or 8...that was his amazing gift..but wco qbs usually have great touch as well as appropriate velocity, and at short range Bledsoe puts too many behind a receiver, or is just off enough to allow the defender to close.

I don't think we are doing enough of what TO does well. AKA slant throws that don't hit the recevier as he slants inwards, but lead him and stretch him out. Nobody is going to get YAC that way. Bledsoe's quick outs look too high, and turn-ins are below the belt. We need to run plays that actually dictate the coverages, not the other way around, but that's another story.

It's not on TO that Bledsoe can't consistently make the throws that Owens fed off for years, but it's a reason to NOT be optimistic about the future.

The second issue seems to be Owen's own timing and less than perfect understanding of his assignments .. the 'polishing' aspect as you said. That should have come in preseason but injury stalled it. Timing depend on running precise routes, and I don't think Owens is entirely comfy there yet. The drops signify that to me. I don't see TO in motion that much, do you? Or on delay routes? I take it as evidence that he's not fully integrated yet.

Thirdly, from years of watching him, I think I know what his physical capablities are. He could break tackles like none other, and was powerful enough to be able to do it when he was not at top speed. You can never get a good enough view on tv to feel sure of how a receiver drives off on his release, or if the guy drove the right foot on a rip move, but you can gauge overall strength and speed, and from what I've seen, whether through injury or age, Owens does not look like the same specimen on the field he used to be. He's far from approaching 'average' but that groin issue he had last season followed by the hammy make for nagging, sapping muscular effects that effect explosiveness, especially after age 30.

That's what I feel his physical 'decline' center on - he isn't as explosive as he was. That microsecond difference in response time that distinguished 'great' from 'effective'.

My overall feeling over four games is he is not the Terrell Owens of olde. I'm not a doctor, not a football player, but I've watched enough primo athletes on the field over time to feel comfortable saying it looks to me like a guy's lost a step, or half of one. (we sure all saw it with Key - who is still a very effective receiver) The look of Owens amazing body dispels the diagnosis, but I also think his body type isn't one that wears as well as a Rice or Holt or Harrison.

The broken finger--that doesn't help either, but it's a minor nuisance that will clear up.

I just don't look at him and see the player he was in Philly in 04 and the first half of 05. That he could be close to it again with more familiarity with the Dallas passing O and with his own 'polishing', I don't doubt. But I think there's been some physical fall off that has to be expected at his age....an overall falloff that CAN, I have to add, be compensated for with vet experience.

[SultanOfSix]

I think that TO is up to his usual manipulative ways. The physical talent is still there. He's just holding back on it until Bledsoe is benched.

When he came to Philly, McNabb was ecstatic about having TO so TO put out the full effort. But Bledsoe made it clear that he wouldn't put up with the TO garbage that occurred in TO's year in Philly after the Super Bowl. At that point, Bledsoe became the enemy to TO. Unlike the start in Philly, where TO spent every possible moment working out with McNabb etal., TO went into his Garcia slowdown mode. He milked his "injury" so long that Bledsoe had very little time to work on that all important QB-WR timing with TO in the preseason.

And in the games, he's not doing the little things that help a struggling QB. When a pass is underthrown, he doesn't come back to knock down the potential interception. When a quick timing pass is thrown over the middle, he either alligator arms it or runs just a tad slower than normal, making the QB look bad when the ball flies out of reach. Even at a slightly slower speed, he's fast enough to get ahead of the defender a little bit, but running a tad slower than the QB expects means that QB looks stupid for throwing too far ahead. Worse, if another defender is downfield from that spot, it looks like he threw a stupid interception. And if TO runs a slightly different pattern than called for, he can get credit for being wide open but be in a spot where an immobile QB under great pressure won't have time to readjust to. By running his cut at a slightly different angle, he can again get his QB looking like an idiot.

Another trick is to follow any catch with a drop to undermine the QB's confidence in throwing to him. Then when the QB doesn't throw to him, TO complains about not getting the ball.

Any normal receiver wouldn't do these things because he wants to win. But TO is a mental case who craves the attention and enjoys showing that he's the boss. My guess is that his play will improve drastically if Romo gets the job. Then he'll go gangbusters to make his QB look good (ala 2004 in Philly) and he'll loudly proclaim look how good it is now -- making it clear that it was all Bledsoe's fault.

:lmao2:

[LaTunaNostra]

I think that TO is up to his usual manipulative ways. The physical talent is still there. He's just holding back on it until Bledsoe is benched.

When he came to Philly, McNabb was ecstatic about having TO so TO put out the full effort. But Bledsoe made it clear that he wouldn't put up with the TO garbage that occurred in TO's year in Philly after the Super Bowl. At that point, Bledsoe became the enemy to TO. Unlike the start in Philly, where TO spent every possible moment working out with McNabb etal., TO went into his Garcia slowdown mode. He milked his "injury" so long that Bledsoe had very little time to work on that all important QB-WR timing with TO in the preseason.

And in the games, he's not doing the little things that help a struggling QB. When a pass is underthrown, he doesn't come back to knock down the potential interception. When a quick timing pass is thrown over the middle, he either alligator arms it or runs just a tad slower than normal, making the QB look bad when the ball flies out of reach. Even at a slightly slower speed, he's fast enough to get ahead of the defender a little bit, but running a tad slower than the QB expects means that QB looks stupid for throwing too far ahead. Worse, if another defender is downfield from that spot, it looks like he threw a stupid interception. And if TO runs a slightly different pattern than called for, he can get credit for being wide open but be in a spot where an immobile QB under great pressure won't have time to readjust to. By running his cut at a slightly different angle, he can again get his QB looking like an idiot.

Another trick is to follow any catch with a drop to undermine the QB's confidence in throwing to him. Then when the QB doesn't throw to him, TO complains about not getting the ball.

Any normal receiver wouldn't do these things because he wants to win. But TO is a mental case who craves the attention and enjoys showing that he's the boss. My guess is that his play will improve drastically if Romo gets the job. Then he'll go gangbusters to make his QB look good (ala 2004 in Philly) and he'll loudly proclaim look how good it is now -- making it clear that it was all Bledsoe's fault.

Len, it's your first post..so..welcome. :)

But I think you're off on TO pulling anything as Machiavellian as trying to get Bledsoe replaced with Romo by not giving it his all.

It's just not in his nature, imo, not to try to look his best at all times. In other words, if he ever decides to sabotage Bledsoe, he won't be doing it at his own expense. He'll just go about it like he did with Garcia and NcNabb.

Like the "TO is faking injury" thing the press ran with this summer, I think your take is impossible to substantiate and at this point, unfair.

Also, no way an act like that could escape Bill Parcells.

Not for a minute.

[Bleu Star]

unfortunately he is a top story and the media is drooling trying to make a story.



Yep. :hammer:

[Bleu Star]

I don't want to hear his name again until he starts contributing.

He's contributing more than I guess you'll ever know simply by being on the field and commanding a double team practically every snap.

[LaTunaNostra]

He's contributing more than I guess you'll ever know simply by being on the field and commanding a double team practically every snap.

That helps, but is not enough to merit a 25 million dollar contract, which of course is Owens point.

First he needs to learn the playbook inside out. Second he needs to develop chemistry and timing with Bledsoe..something that can be accomplished in practices to a great extent.

Then he needs to accept his 'share' of balls without complaint, and to hold onto the ones that do come his way.

He is not 'the' offense here....not even 'the first among equals'. He is another 'weapon' who could and should become the nominal and actual 'go-to' once he's completely healthy and fully integrated into the offensive system.

Right now he is no more than JJ, Terry, or Jason, and I fail to see why he should be treated like any sort of saviour when he just hasn't merited any special consideration off any special play.

[SkinsandTerps]

.

First he needs to learn the playbook inside out.



Should have learned it by now with all of the time he spent bike riding.

[Boyzmamacita]

TO is responsible for his own media circus at this point he can control it. He can easily choose not to feed the frenzy. I never see Marvin Harrison, Torry Holt, or lots of other guys across the league getting the same kind of media attention that TO does. He is partially to blame. If he didnt like the attention he should refuse to do the interviews. Let the media talk and say whatever they want.

Do you really think the media would stop talking about him if he said "no comment"? They'd just make stuff up like they're doing now. Yeah, he likes attention, most receivers do, but everything he does is blown out of proportion. At this point, I blame the media. They have the power of reporting or not reporting.

[LaTunaNostra]

Should have learned it by now with all of the time he spent bike riding.

I'd worry about Brunell if I were you. :eek:

Brunell and the rep your D is getting for dirty playing.

See the NY press today?:)

[SuspectCorner]

four games into the season and maybe owens is feeling a li'l frustration. he's missed a lotta time that would allow he and bledsoe to get a "feel" for one another.

maybe i'm just stupid - but i think they will find each other before the season gets outta hand. i sure hope so.

let's see how they communicate by, say, game 8.

i just think it's gonna get alot better on that front.

[Boyzmamacita]

four games into the season and maybe owens is feeling a li'l frustration. he's missed a lotta time that would allow he and bledsoe to get a "feel" for one another.

maybe i'm just stupid - but i think they will find each other before the season gets outta hand. i sure hope so.

let's see how they communicate by, say, game 8.

i just think it's gonna get alot better on that front.

That seems like the natural progression that we can expect.

[SkinsandTerps]

Do you really think the media would stop talking about him if he said "no comment"? They'd just make stuff up like they're doing now. Yeah, he likes attention, most receivers do, but everything he does is blown out of proportion. At this point, I blame the media. They have the power of reporting or not reporting.

Certainly they would. He would become a non-story within weeks. He needs to let his play on the field speak for itself. So far he hasnt had many popcorn moments.

Let them make up whatever they want, but to fuel the fire and add even more speculation just continues to create a distraction. Players are being asked about TO insted of what happened with this game or what are the plans for next game. He has created TO 24/7.

[LaTunaNostra]

four games into the season and maybe owens is feeling a li'l frustration. he's missed a lotta time that would allow he and bledsoe to get a "feel" for one another.

maybe i'm just stupid - but i think they will find each other before the season gets outta hand. i sure hope so.

let's see how they communicate by, say, game 8.

i just think it's gonna get alot better on that front.


I do too. It has to, if just from increased familiarity.

But at the same time, I doubt we see the kind of synchronicity TO had with McNabb before the blow-up, or the impact he had on that offense.

Some folks either weren't willing to see what McNabb had contributed or admit that Dallas in 06 is not Philly in 04 - just waiting for that last 'killer' move. Cripe, that D had been so good for so many years that personnel losses like B. Taylor and Vincent were just shrugged off...other studs were behind them and Johnson had been tweaking that D forever.

Owens was pretty much the receiving corps, (Pinkston, Thrash?) but DM got him the ball...and in a system that he was comfy with.

By late October I expect to see a much more prolific TO, but we won't get the impact Philly did from him, for a variety of reasons. I just hope we can get half of the impact they did...that might just be enough to mask some other issues.

In Philly, that guy was in his astounding prime in the just-right situation. A slice of NFL history well worth observing - too bad it was for the Eagles, but it was still something to behold.

[Aikbach]

If the rumors of him throwing a fit in the locker room are true then he has proven himself a liar. He dropped passes, he gave up on a couple, he had bad balls thrown his way. Two of the above three he could have been a difference maker on and when you see an Eagle going for the ball you lay them out or hold them like Irvin would. Better a penalty then an interception.

[SkinsandTerps]

I'd worry about Brunell if I were you. :eek:

Brunell and the rep your D is getting for dirty playing.

See the NY press today?:)

I read the article and saw nothing else that could be substantiated from the coaching staff or players today. Seems kinda reaching really. Not to mention they played 4 other games with no such comments this year.

Brunell on the other hand. Wasnt all that bad...problem is he wasnt all that good, haha. Redskins made a lot more mistakes as a team than Brunell did on his own.

[LaTunaNostra]

Not to mention they played 4 other games with no such comments this year.



Maybe they only grab balls in the Meadowlands.

Or they're just getting more brazen about it. :D

Sigh. Did I break 12,000 posts yet? ;)

[Smashmouth24]

From "this aint about me, this aint about them, this is about us"

to

2 dropped passes and "Why the f*** am I here?!"

The Cowboys got all shades of T.O. in one sitting. What an impressive performance.

[SkinsandTerps]

Maybe they only grab balls in the Meadowlands.

Or they're just getting more brazen about it. :D

Sigh. Did I break 12,000 posts yet? ;)

:laugh2:

About 100 more to go B. haha.

[Mansta54]

Certainly they would. He would become a non-story within weeks. He needs to let his play on the field speak for itself. So far he hasnt had many popcorn moments.

Let them make up whatever they want, but to fuel the fire and add even more speculation just continues to create a distraction. Players are being asked about TO insted of what happened with this game or what are the plans for next game. He has created TO 24/7.

He would have plenty of popcorn moments if our QB could get him the ball. He's running wide open.

[SkinsandTerps]

He would have plenty of popcorn moments if our QB could get him the ball. He's running wide open.

And some could say that he hasnt learned the offense, and others could say that he hasnt been healthy (which I predicted when he was first signed), some could say that he has been a slight distraction (understandable), and other would blame the media without any accountability for TO, and even others would say that the Cowboys needed to add some OL players like Hutch and Bentley, or a safety like Hope instead of trying to pull off a smoke and mirrors trick.

I havent really seen much out of the 10 million dollar man this season thus far. Therefore my popcorn has become stale.

[Bleu Star]

If the rumors of him throwing a fit in the locker room are true

Don't fall into the media trap.

[LaTunaNostra]

And some could say that he hasnt learned the offense, and others could say that he hasnt been healthy (which I predicted when he was first signed), some could say that he has been a slight distraction (understandable), and other would blame the media without any accountability for TO, and even others would say that the Cowboys needed to add some OL players like Hutch and Bentley, or a safety like Hope instead of trying to pull off a smoke and mirrors trick.

I havent really seen much out of the 10 million dollar man this season thus far. Therefore my popcorn has become stale.


And some would say that the expectations were Terrell Owens was Superman.

Anything less would have to be rationalized away or proclaimed heresy.

I'd take Steve Smith even up for him today. Heck, I'd throw in a draft pick as well.

[SkinsandTerps]

And some would say that the expectations were Terrell Owens was Superman.

Anything less would have to be rationalized away or proclaimed heresy.

I'd take Steve Smith even up for him today. Heck, I'd throw in a draft pick as well.

B, I think you and I are on the same page with this for the most part.

To think that TO would eliminate the mistakes that Bledsoe has been known to have is just asking for "Superman".

To think that TO would magically fix the OL problems would be the same.

My expectations were simple, TO would open up the rushing attack and give Witten and Glenn that many more opportunities, and still be able to produce as a game breaker when needed. He has done part of that.

Long way to go though, so I wont bash the guy. For all we know he is sitting with his playbook right now trying to get the nuances.

[Coakleys Dad]

TO made the trip to philly? Couldnt prove it by me.
was roy there?

[Rampage]

this is a stupid topic. were you guys impressed with game speeches? who cares about speeches, its about the game

[SkinsandTerps]

this is a stupid topic. were you guys impressed with game speeches? who cares about speeches, its about the game

You obviously missed the point, he was making. Not surprising really though.

[Rampage]

You obviously missed the point, he was making. Not surprising really though.
what was his point?