What has Parcells done?

[StanleySpadowski]

Can anyone give me any benefit to having Parcells?

Seriously, other than stealing Terry Glenn from the Packers, what genius moves has he made to make the Cowboys better?


Yes the '06 team is better than the '02 team but that's the nature of the NFL, worst to first and back again. Other than the perennial also rans in Detroit (bad GM) and Arizona (bad owner) and the expansion Texans, every other team that was as bad as the '02 Cowboys are better than the '06 Cowboys. Marvin Lewis may have some character problems in Cincinatti, but he also has a better team. Lovie Smith also seems to have something going on in Chicago.

Free agents have gone from mediocre (Richie Anderson, Aaron Glenn, Anthony Henry) to disappointing (Rivera, Ferguson) to downright gawdawful (Young). I didn't include this year's because four games is too early to tell anything except for Boiman who is no longer in Dallas.

Some talented players have left also, Lehr, Coakley, Glover, Bryant...

Even look at the drafts. Some great picks like Witten tempered with some horrible picks like Rogers. Nothing special there except he's gone after TEs and LBs at an alarming rate.

[THUMPER]

Can anyone give me any benefit to having Parcells?

Seriously, other than stealing Terry Glenn from the Packers, what genius moves has he made to make the Cowboys better?


Yes the '06 team is better than the '02 team but that's the nature of the NFL, worst to first and back again. Other than the perennial also rans in Detroit (bad GM) and Arizona (bad owner) and the expansion Texans, every other team that was as bad as the '02 Cowboys are better than the '06 Cowboys. Marvin Lewis may have some character problems in Cincinatti, but he also has a better team. Lovie Smith also seems to have something going on in Chicago.

Free agents have gone from mediocre (Richie Anderson, Aaron Glenn, Anthony Henry) to disappointing (Rivera, Ferguson) to downright gawdawful (Young). I didn't include this year's because four games is too early to tell anything except for Boiman who is no longer in Dallas.

Some talented players have left also, Lehr, Coakley, Glover, Bryant...

Even look at the drafts. Some great picks like Witten tempered with some horrible picks like Rogers. Nothing special there except he's gone after TEs and LBs at an alarming rate.

You won't get an argument from me. :bang2:

You even left out a few stupid moves he(they?) has made like:

1. The Vinny Intercepteverde experiment.
2. Signing Vanderjagt instead of Vinatieri, KNOWING Vandy can't handle kickoffs and then complaining about having to take 2 kickers to games.
3. Signing Terrell Owens instead of Steve Hutchinson. OL was the problem on offense last year, not WR.
4. NOT drafting a QB or WR.
5. Drafting Carpenter, who isn't even playing, in the 1st round instead of a position of need or at least a guy who might actually be active on game day.
6. Cutting Emmitt Smith in favor of Troy Hambrick. I can understand letting Emmitt go for cap reasons but going with Hambrick as our feature back? Just plain stupid (and no, that's not hindsight on my part, I knew Hambrick was a loser from the start).
7. Signing Rivera instead of Wahle.
8. Signing Eddie George even though anyone with half a brain could see that he was finished a couple of years earlier.
9. Sticking with Bledsoe even after last season and now after his horrible performances against good teams this year.
10. (Should be #1) Keeping Mike Zimmer as the DC.

[jcollins28]

Not even making a phone call to Drew Brees.

[SDogo]

Your not going to get an argument from me on any of those accounts. There was a time I would defend the way he has built this defense but I'm still waiting for that to pan out and he may be undoing his work by not finding a defensive cordinator who can utilize the talent.

[MaineBoy]

oh the humanity !!!!

and then there's Bill's deft touch with quarterbacks...I think Bill had a guy visit here that we could have signed but we didn't think he was worth it so he went to play for some football team in North Carolina.....I think his name was Jake D-something.....Don't know if this Jake guy has done much since...

Hell, who needed him - apparently BP sees more in Drew.

[kingwhicker]

He's drawn a HUGE paycheck and brought the Cowboys up to mediocrity.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I guess people forget Jerry in all of this.

NO deal can be done without Jerry's OK.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Little late in the game to complain about Big Bill now boys. We loved him when he came and now we got him. We spend a lot of time bashing the Joe Gibbs of the world but in the end, we all have to live with our choices. I have said it many times and have been beaten down for it. I have never felt as if Parcells was very good with QBs. It has never been a popular stance and after our next win, I'm sure it will go back to being an unpopular one. However, to say that Bill has done nothing for us is completely untrue. He has provided direction and stability for this team. We are one QB and maybe two OLs shy of being a real Super Bowl contending team. That's a true statement in my mind. Parcells has done that. We are much closer today then we were a few years ago. Lets be honest, Bill has done much more then just spend money on old vets and sit around his office rubber stamping "REJECTED" on the applications of available QB prospects.

[Stautner]

If you are going to bash Parcells at least use rational arguments.

Assuming that he could have signed anyone he wanted to at any time is irrational.

Who says Vinatieri, Hutchingson, Wahle etc. were even all that interested in Dallas. And at least in the case of the kicker the price tag would have been higher - or don't you think money is an object?

Treating the Testeverde signing as Parcells "experiment" is irrational.

Testeverde was never signed to be "THE MAN" - he was signed as insurance in case Quincy bombed - which he did. He was never meant to be anything more than a back-up plan.

Saying we shouldn't have gone after TO because WR wasn't a problem, then turning around and saying we screwed up by not drafting a WR is irrational.

Make up your mind.

Saying we screwed up by not drafting a QB is irrational.

This could prove to be true, but it isn't a worthy comment until we see how Romo works out.

Saying we should have drafted some unknown "someone" who could be active on game day rather than Carpenter is irrational.

No one throws perfect games on draft day - a LOT of much higher picks than Carpenter don't pan out, and that happens with every team. Besides, it's 4 games into his rookie year - rational minds understand that sometimes players take time to develop.

All your hindsight "I told you so's" are irrational.
Emmit had a huge salary and little production - using this hindsight arrogance about how you knew Hambrick wouldn't work out is bogus - it's not even the point of why Emmitt was let go.

Same for Eddie George - you are missing the point. He was never signed to be our stud and carry the team, he was signed as another RB with the hope that there was some chance of him returning to form.

Contrary to your apparent belief, Ladanian Tomlinsons don't grow on trees.


BOTTOM LINE: Obviously we aren't where we hoped we would be, but obviously we are much better than the team Parcell's inherited that had gone 5-11 for THREE straight seasons. I can understand dissatisfaction, but the hostility and the manufactured reasoning is laughable.

[StanleySpadowski]

Little late in the game to complain about Big Bill now boys. We loved him when he came and now we got him. We spend a lot of time bashing the Joe Gibbs of the world but in the end, we all have to live with our choices. I have said it many times and have been beaten down for it. I have never felt as if Parcells was very good with QBs. It has never been a popular stance and after our next win, I'm sure it will go back to being an unpopular one. However, to say that Bill has done nothing for us is completely untrue. He has provided direction and stability for this team. We are one QB and maybe two OLs shy of being a real Super Bowl contending team. That's a true statement in my mind. Parcells has done that. We are much closer today then we were a few years ago. Lets be honest, Bill has done much more then just spend money on old vets and sit around his office rubber stamping "REJECTED" on the applications of available QB prospects.

Some people may have "loved him when he came", but there are a minority here who knew what we were getting when Jones signed the drama queen.

He's always had a problem with QBs because he can't stand that someone else may get the credit and love when things go right. Plus he can always find someone else to blame when things go wrong.

[Hoofbite]

If you are going to bash Parcells at least use rational arguments.

Assuming that he could have signed anyone he wanted to at any time is irrational.

Who says Vinatieri, Hutchingson, Wahle etc. were even all that interested in Dallas. And at least in the case of the kicker the price tag would have been higher - or don't you think money is an object?

Treating the Testeverde signing as Parcells "experiment" is irrational.

Testeverde was never signed to be "THE MAN" - he was signed as insurance in case Quincy bombed - which he did. He was never meant to be anything more than a back-up plan.

Saying we shouldn't have gone after TO because WR wasn't a problem, then turning around and saying we screwed up by not drafting a WR is irrational.

Make up your mind.

Saying we screwed up by not drafting a QB is irrational.

This could prove to be true, but it isn't a worthy comment until we see how Romo works out.

Saying we should have drafted some unknown "someone" who could be active on game day rather than Carpenter is irrational.

No one throws perfect games on draft day - a LOT of much higher picks than Carpenter don't pan out, and that happens with every team. Besides, it's 4 games into his rookie year - rational minds understand that sometimes players take time to develop.

All your hindsight "I told you so's" are irrational.
Emmit had a huge salary and little production - using this hindsight arrogance about how you knew Hambrick wouldn't work out is bogus - it's not even the point of why Emmitt was let go.

Same for Eddie George - you are missing the point. He was never signed to be our stud and carry the team, he was signed as another RB with the hope that there was some chance of him returning to form.

Contrary to your apparent belief, Ladanian Tomlinsons don't grow on trees.


BOTTOM LINE: Obviously we aren't where we hoped we would be, but obviously we are much better than the team Parcell's inherited that had gone 5-11 for THREE straight seasons. I can understand dissatisfaction, but the hostility and the manufactured reasoning is laughable.


Good work....included everything I would have said.

[peplaw06]

Can anyone give me any benefit to having Parcells?

Seriously, other than stealing Terry Glenn from the Packers, what genius moves has he made to make the Cowboys better?


Yes the '06 team is better than the '02 team but that's the nature of the NFL, worst to first and back again. Other than the perennial also rans in Detroit (bad GM) and Arizona (bad owner) and the expansion Texans, every other team that was as bad as the '02 Cowboys are better than the '06 Cowboys. Marvin Lewis may have some character problems in Cincinatti, but he also has a better team. Lovie Smith also seems to have something going on in Chicago.

Free agents have gone from mediocre (Richie Anderson, Aaron Glenn, Anthony Henry) to disappointing (Rivera, Ferguson) to downright gawdawful (Young). I didn't include this year's because four games is too early to tell anything except for Boiman who is no longer in Dallas.

Some talented players have left also, Lehr, Coakley, Glover, Bryant...

Even look at the drafts. Some great picks like Witten tempered with some horrible picks like Rogers. Nothing special there except he's gone after TEs and LBs at an alarming rate.

You have to be kidding me... You answered your own question. Any benefit to having Parcells here? WE'RE a BETTER TEAM!!

We have the makings of a defense that will be dominant for years if we can keep the guys here, and that looks like it will happen with all the recent extensions.

If you think Terry Glenn is the only good move he's made, you're jaded at the least. How about the Losman trade... JJ / Spears for Losman.

And like brainpaint said, why does BP draw all of your ire and Jerruh skates? Last I checked BP's not the GM. Yet you blame BP and solely BP for Ryan Young and LaRoi Glover, which as far as a I can tell are your only valid complaints personnel wise.

I guess we shoulda stuck with Campo.

[peplaw06]

Some people may have "loved him when he came", but there are a minority here who knew what we were getting when Jones signed the drama queen.

He's always had a problem with QBs because he can't stand that someone else may get the credit and love when things go right. Plus he can always find someone else to blame when things go wrong.

Near as I can tell you're much more of a drama queen than BP.

[Hoofbite]

9. Sticking with Bledsoe even after last season and now after his horrible performances against good teams this year.



After last year? What, the year where the Oline was second worst in the league? You mean the same last year where Dallas lost 3 games on missed chip shot FGs? That last year?

I could understand you complaining about week 1 and the Eagles game but complaining about last year is pretty ridiculous....

[joseephuss]

Treating the Testeverde signing as Parcells "experiment" is irrational.

Testeverde was never signed to be "THE MAN" - he was signed as insurance in case Quincy bombed - which he did. He was never meant to be anything more than a back-up plan.


I have to disagree. Vinny was brought in to start. I thought so as soon as he was signed. Quincy was not the answer at QB and Bill thought his old timer could hold the fort while he developed a young guy on the side. He was wrong. That is why Vinny is no longer around. If Vinny was such a great back up, he would have stuck around in Dallas as the back up.

[canters]

I just hope we are in the important games to the extent that a FG can win them!

[neosapien23]

[quote=Stautner;1082836]If you are going to bash Parcells at least use rational arguments.


These are my rational thoughts.

1. He blasts a rookie or stares down a young player on nationalized TV, but he makes alot of exuses for Bledsoe.

2. He isn't even considering putting in Tony Romo. If anyone else would have played this badly, they would have been riding the pine. He was contemplating benching Gurode because of mental errors, Drew Bledsoe is having huge mental errors right now.

3. He continues to be too predictable most of the time. How many times have you watched the Cowboys line up and you knew that they were going to pass or run by the formation they were in?

4. Parcells is a hypocrite. He needs to apply the Mike Vandergajt rule of you need to show me that you can still do it to Bledsoe.

5. Playing Testervarde instead of Henson or Romo once the boys were officially eliminated from playoff contention was absolutely inexusable.

[StanleySpadowski]

You have to be kidding me... You answered your own question. Any benefit to having Parcells here? WE'RE a BETTER TEAM!!

We have the makings of a defense that will be dominant for years if we can keep the guys here, and that looks like it will happen with all the recent extensions.

If you think Terry Glenn is the only good move he's made, you're jaded at the least. How about the Losman trade... JJ / Spears for Losman.

And like brainpaint said, why does BP draw all of your ire and Jerruh skates? Last I checked BP's not the GM. Yet you blame BP and solely BP for Ryan Young and LaRoi Glover, which as far as a I can tell are your only valid complaints personnel wise.

I guess we shoulda stuck with Campo.

Perhaps you have a reading comprehension problem or maybe you're just not very bright. I said yes, Dallas is a better team '06 than '02 but that's the nature of the NFL. The real question is if Dallas '06 is better than Chicago '06 especially when one onsiders Dallas '02 was better than Chicago '02.


You also reference some phantom "Losman trade". Dallas never had the rights to Losman so I don't see how his name is even relevant unless it's used to make the trade seem better than it was. Dallas did trade a first rounder for the picks used to get a rb who hasn't proven he can stay healthy and a moderately disappointing DE however.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Perhaps you have a reading comprehension problem or maybe you're just not very bright. I said yes, Dallas is a better team '06 than '02 bu that's the nature of the NFL. The real question is if Dallas '06 is better than Chicago '06 especially when one onsiders Dallas '02 was better than Chicago '02.


You also reference some phantom "Losman trade". Dallas never had the rights to Losman so I don't see how his name is even relevant unless it's used to make the trade seem better than it was. Dallas did trade a first rounder for the picks used to get a rb who hasn't proven he can stay healthy and a moderately disappointing DE however.

I am pretty sure you know what he is talking about with the losman trade.

You know fully well he was talking about the draft picks that came out to be Losman for JJ and Spears.

Geez...you really are on a jaded roll down a field full of cow patties today if you got to make some argument about that.:eek:

[burmafrd]

I am bored right now so I can spend some time on this:
Glenn and Henry were very good signs.
Richie Anderson while he lasted was a very good sign. Terry Glenn was a genius move. Ferguson is playing very well.
He has cleared out the rif raf and we now have very solid guys as well as very solid football players. His drafts have been better then just about anyone elses in the last 3 years.
Now the O line is a problem but it is getting better and we now at least have young guys with promise either starting or getting ready to step up. A couple of busts at the draft unfortunately came on the O line- but that happens. And getting McQ looks like a real find.
QB: the one area that BP can legitimatly be taken to task with. Brees was available- maybe getting him instead of TO would have been the better move- that depends on how Romo comes out. The Henson thing was mostly JJ and BP got stuck with him. Vinny WAS signed as a backup and did pretty well for an old guy. DB was the best choice available for veterans LAST YEAR- and clearly neither JJ nor BP wanted to draft a QB high. IF DB has come to the end of his usefull career then that is that. But once again some people need to be reminded that JJ has a lot of input and BP has to juggle that area as well. No One that he has cut has done much of anything anywhere else.

[peplaw06]

These are my rational thoughts.

1. He blasts a rookie or stares down a young player on nationalized TV, but he makes alot of exuses for Bledsoe. Ever think that maybe Bledsoe isn't solely to blame for the problems? I bet you he blasted Drew for the underthrow to TO that was picked, and holding the ball too long, but other than that, what exactly is something that is solely Drew's fault.

Also, there's a reason BP won't blast Drew in the media. The vast majority of fans want a QB change. BP doesn't want a QB controversy played out in the media. It's not hard to see why he does it.

2. He isn't even considering putting in Tony Romo. How do you know that Miss Cleo?

3. He continues to be too predictable most of the time. How many times have you watched the Cowboys line up and you knew that they were going to pass or run by the formation they were in? Funny, I thought our offense had performed pretty well over 4 games, aside from the turnovers. We have a top 5 back... If he's so predictable, how is that possible?

4. Parcells is a hypocrite. He needs to apply the Mike Vandergajt rule of you need to show me that you can still do it to Bledsoe. He knows Bledsoe. Like he says, "I know the player." He asks guys to show him something when he "doesn't know the player." You're reaching.

5. Playing Testervarde instead of Henson or Romo once the boys were officially eliminated from playoff contention was absolutely inexusable. You think Romo was ready 3 years ago? We actually put Henson in, and what happened? He's gone. Who's to say if he had put Romo in he wouldn't have done the same thing and come out with a fragile psyche. Don't play like you know BP's QBs better than he does from what you remember seeing on TV.

Fact is neither of those guys were ready. Henson still isn't ready, and we don't know if Romo's ready even now.

[burmafrd]

the spud is just looking for reasons to criticise BP- they do not have to make any sense.

[Stautner]

[quote=Stautner;1082836]If you are going to bash Parcells at least use rational arguments.


These are my rational thoughts.

1. He blasts a rookie or stares down a young player on nationalized TV, but he makes alot of exuses for Bledsoe.

2. He isn't even considering putting in Tony Romo. If anyone else would have played this badly, they would have been riding the pine. He was contemplating benching Gurode because of mental errors, Drew Bledsoe is having huge mental errors right now.

3. He continues to be too predictable most of the time. How many times have you watched the Cowboys line up and you knew that they were going to pass or run by the formation they were in?

4. Parcells is a hypocrite. He needs to apply the Mike Vandergajt rule of you need to show me that you can still do it to Bledsoe.

5. Playing Testervarde instead of Henson or Romo once the boys were officially eliminated from playoff contention was absolutely inexusable.

1. He has coached like that for years - who are you to tell him he should handle things differently? Besides, it's not as if he is giving Bledsoe a ringing endorsement at this point.

2. It's bogus to say he isn't even considering Romo. When asked about it his only comment was "not at this moment" ...... limiting his support of Bledsoe to "this moment" does not exactly show strong support for Bledsoe down the road. Besides, Parcells actions in the preseason should tell you a lot - he practically made it a mission to prove Romo could play well in the NFL.

3. How many times in the 1990's did the Cowboys line up and you knew exactly what play they were going to run ...... ? The difference is that the talent and execution were better in those days.

4. This isn't actually a 4th reason - it's just an add on to Number 2. Which, by the way, was really just an add on to Number 1, so you really only have 3 complaints rather than 5.

I too agree that he needs to consider playing Romo, and I think it's in his mind. It just may happen slightly slower than some would like.

5. Playing Testeverde was inexcusable? I certainly understand the reasoning behind wanting to play Romo and Henson, and I agree with it, but "inexcusable"? That kind of gross overexxageration is much more inexcusable.

Besides, Parcells gave his reasons - he felt like throwing those young guys in before they were prepared would do more harm than good. I personally disagree, but it's not a gross mistake or "inexcusable" decision either.

[SultanOfSix]

BP has done an excellent job setting up the organization for future success. Is he a the best, great, or even a very good game day coach? Probably not.

I just can't stand it when he contradicts himself concerning the QB play.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Some people may have "loved him when he came", but there are a minority here who knew what we were getting when Jones signed the drama queen.

He's always had a problem with QBs because he can't stand that someone else may get the credit and love when things go right. Plus he can always find someone else to blame when things go wrong.


Well Stan, I can't say your personal view of the signing but as a whole, most on this board were falling all over themselves about it. In the end, you gotta take the good with the bad. When we had Vinnie here, everybody saw that Vinnie was probably not the best possible solution yet BP stuck with him to the end. When we signed Bledsoe, you had to know that it would be the same. I'm still baffled at how you can look at Bledsoe and conclude that you could win a championship with him. You had to know that once signed, he was here for the long haul. That was the most irritating thing to me but it's done now and you just gotta deal with it. Outside of just a couple of postitions, we have a very strong team IMO. We are not far from being a contender. I think you have to give credit to Parcells for that just as you have to give him credit for signing Bledsoe.

[burmafrd]

The real criticism on BP is mainly that he does not appear to be a top game day coach. that is where top assistants would be very valuable and unfortunately neither Zimmer nor Haley fit that description. His staff at the boys has not been that great and that also can be dropped at his feet.

[Hoofbite]

These are my rational thoughts.

1. He blasts a rookie or stares down a young player on nationalized TV, but he makes alot of exuses for Bledsoe.

2. He isn't even considering putting in Tony Romo. If anyone else would have played this badly, they would have been riding the pine. He was contemplating benching Gurode because of mental errors, Drew Bledsoe is having huge mental errors right now.

3. He continues to be too predictable most of the time. How many times have you watched the Cowboys line up and you knew that they were going to pass or run by the formation they were in?

4. Parcells is a hypocrite. He needs to apply the Mike Vandergajt rule of you need to show me that you can still do it to Bledsoe.

5. Playing Testervarde instead of Henson or Romo once the boys were officially eliminated from playoff contention was absolutely inexusable.



First off, those are not all your thoughts.....Next time you steal something from Deion Sanders you should let him know about it. Parcells holds everyone accountable. Peter King threw that in an article the other day saying how Deion must have never been at practices because Parcells yells at him fairly often.

Secondly....to use a standardized benching system to make roster moves is just idiotic. The responsibities tied to each position are so vast that if you were to just bench someone because you have a previous history of benching players after X amount of faulters, you would eventually bench the whole team. Dallas went through 3 Kickers last year.......they probably didn't make as many mistakes as Rob Petitti did so why was Rob allowed some freedom. Because his job was magnitudes more difficult then kicking FGs from inside the 40 yard line.

Third....his predictability has the Dallas offense ranked pretty high in scoring....something has to be said about that.....and it would be higher if it were for mental errors on the parts of players not named Drew Bledsoe.....Witten has had a TD negated and TO has dropped 2.

Fourth.....Again, the responsibilities of each position dictate how each player is treated differently. Mike has 1 job because he doesn't kick off. He is supposed to kick FGs.....he takes "mental vacations" on 1 of the 3 plays he is even on the field. Vanderjagt deserves every ounce of ridicule he gets and from anywhere.

So is your 5th point just something you wanted to add to the list just to make it 1 more item longer because that is just retarded. Hows Drew Henson doing these days.....what, took him a month to even have a team sniff at him and Romo was what, in his 1st or 2nd year? Good god, no one even knew a damned thing about him.......He was #3 on the depth chart and Drew Henson at the time was not good enough to bump Vinny.....cause he wasn't and Henson was above Romo what does that tell you? Neither player would have had any success and it would have done more harm then good to put them out there.

Now, that does say something about the Progression that Romo has made and you gotta give him credit for that but this last item seems like you were just fishing for 1 more thing to add to the list.


You're rational thoughts are barely rational and are barely yours.

[neosapien23]

Ever think that maybe Bledsoe isn't solely to blame for the problems? I bet you he blasted Drew for the underthrow to TO that was picked, and holding the ball too long, but other than that, what exactly is something that is solely Drew's fault.

Also, there's a reason BP won't blast Drew in the media. The vast majority of fans want a QB change. BP doesn't want a QB controversy played out in the media. It's not hard to see why he does it.

How do you know that Miss Cleo?
No, but his track record of playing old quarterbacks is telling enough.

Funny, I thought our offense had performed pretty well over 4 games, aside from the turnovers. We have a top 5 back... If he's so predictable, how is that possible?

Teams are doubling Owens and not stacking the line anymore??

He knows Bledsoe. Like he says, "I know the player." He asks guys to show him something when he "doesn't know the player." You're reaching.

He questions Vandergagt despite his proven track record. Bledsoe's track record is not very good. Bledsoe needs to prove that he is deserving of a starting job, not just be handed it.


You think Romo was ready 3 years ago? We actually put Henson in, and what happened? He's gone. Who's to say if he had put Romo in he wouldn't have done the same thing and come out with a fragile psyche. Don't play like you know BP's QBs better than he does from what you remember seeing on TV.

No he wasn't ready. Game time is how you determine what you have in your quarterback. Funny thing is that a good quarterback will be good despite the theoritical damage to "psyche". Aikman and Peyon Manning got killed their first few years, but you could (tell by watching them) that they were going to be special. Parcells just doesn't have the patience to have a losing season with a you quarterback. Is that what this franchise really needs?

Fact is neither of those guys were ready. Henson still isn't ready, and we don't know if Romo's ready even now.

If Romo isn't ready by his 4th year, then the Cowboys need to trade up in the draft. No way someone should receive 4 years of training and not be ready for any kind of job.

[CalCBFan]

BrainPaint, were you the one that criticized my post yesterday about Jerry's signing TO thinking he would be our ticket to beating Philly? I said he should sign a GM, one that would realize that having practiced against TO for 1.5 years, they would know how to take him out of a game. Your point was that your post said something like "...you can't lay this one on Jerry...". Sounds as if you have your mind. If you are not the guy, forget this whole post.

BTW who is this guy Young we signed as a FA? There is no one on the roster (from the official site) named "Young"...

[Jarv]

BrainPaint, were you the one that criticized my post yesterday about Jerry's signing TO thinking he would be our ticket to beating Philly? I said he should sign a GM, one that would realize that having practiced against TO for 1.5 years, they would know how to take him out of a game. Your point was that your post said something like "...you can't lay this one on Jerry...". Sounds as if you have your mind. If you are not the guy, forget this whole post.

BTW who is this guy Young we signed as a FA? There is no one on the roster (from the official site) named "Young"...

O-Linemen from the Jets BP brought, he couldn't play and was cut.

[neosapien23]

First off, those are not all your thoughts.....Next time you steal something from Deion Sanders you should let him know about it. Parcells holds everyone accountable. Peter King threw that in an article the other day saying how Deion must have never been at practices because Parcells yells at him fairly often.

Secondly....to use a standardized benching system to make roster moves is just idiotic. The responsibities tied to each position are so vast that if you were to just bench someone because you have a previous history of benching players after X amount of faulters, you would eventually bench the whole team. Dallas went through 3 Kickers last year.......they probably didn't make as many mistakes as Rob Petitti did so why was Rob allowed some freedom. Because his job was magnitudes more difficult then kicking FGs from inside the 40 yard line.

Third....his predictability has the Dallas offense ranked pretty high in scoring....something has to be said about that.....and it would be higher if it were for mental errors on the parts of players not named Drew Bledsoe.....Witten has had a TD negated and TO has dropped 2.

Fourth.....Again, the responsibilities of each position dictate how each player is treated differently. Mike has 1 job because he doesn't kick off. He is supposed to kick FGs.....he takes "mental vacations" on 1 of the 3 plays he is even on the field. Vanderjagt deserves every ounce of ridicule he gets and from anywhere.

So is your 5th point just something you wanted to add to the list just to make it 1 more item longer because that is just retarded. Hows Drew Henson doing these days.....what, took him a month to even have a team sniff at him and Romo was what, in his 1st or 2nd year? Good god, no one even knew a damned thing about him.......He was #3 on the depth chart and Drew Henson at the time was not good enough to bump Vinny.....cause he wasn't and Henson was above Romo what does that tell you? Neither player would have had any success and it would have done more harm then good to put them out there.

Now, that does say something about the Progression that Romo has made and you gotta give him credit for that but this last item seems like you were just fishing for 1 more thing to add to the list.


You're rational thoughts are barely rational and are barely yours.

I didn't steal Deon's thoughts, but I do share them on Bledsoe.

Secondly, Parcells does have a double standard. He had no problem pointing out Gurode's mental errors and even stated that he would bench him if they continued. He keeps Bledsoe in the game despite his "mental errors" which are too numerous to go into detail about. I do not get upset when Bledsoe takes a sack because of poor Oline play, but I don't think he has any exuse for holding on the ball for over 7 seconds. Those sacks are his fault. He also throws too many ill advised passes. These are not mistakes a 34 year old quarterback should make. A first year quarterback yes, but not a veteran.

As far as not knowing what they had in Romo, so what? testerverde was not taking us to the Superbowl that year. My argument is that Aikman and Manning both played before they were ready. You need to see "real game film" on someone to make a judgement. The practice setting is not enough. I didn't like that Thanksgiving game. Henson was not allowed throw any passes in the middle. He was set up for failure from the beggining.

[Stautner]

If Romo isn't ready by his 4th year, then the Cowboys need to trade up in the draft. No way someone should receive 4 years of training and not be ready for any kind of job.

I absolutely agree. The thing is, I think Parcells thinks Romo is ready - or at least very close to it.

I have no doubt that Parcells expects Romo to be the starter next year, no matter what happens this year.

I think the hesitation about using Romo now is that we would have to live with some growing pains as he plays in his first regular season games, and he is concerned that might dig us even deeper in a hole.

[burmafrd]

Bp knows that once he pulls Bledsoe he is stuck with Romo for the rest of the year. That is something to think about.
Just how many stupid posts are there going to be that blames DB for most of the sacks. He was responsible for 2, maybe 3. The rest were on the O line. And that is not counting the ones that hit him just as he threw or just after. Most of that is on the O line not DB.

[neosapien23]

Bp knows that once he pulls Bledsoe he is stuck with Romo for the rest of the year. That is something to think about.
Just how many stupid posts are there going to be that blames DB for most of the sacks. He was responsible for 2, maybe 3. The rest were on the O line. And that is not counting the ones that hit him just as he threw or just after. Most of that is on the O line not DB.


I suppose the Oline made him throw those interceptions as well. I would have been happy if he would have taken those as sacks instead of throwing the ball. I don't blame Bledsoe for taking all seven sacks, but he should be held accountable for throwing all those picks including the one that ended the game. He had no pressure on that play and still threw to a double covered Witten.

[SultanOfSix]

I suppose the Oline made him throw those interceptions as well. I would have been happy if he would have taken those as sacks instead of throwing the ball. I don't blame Bledsoe for taking all seven sacks, but he should be held accountable for throwing all those picks including the one that ended the game. He had no pressure on that play and still threw to a double covered Witten.

I don't understand this myth that keeps being projected that Witten was double covered.

His defender (Trotter) fell down after holding him and Witten was open. Bledsoe just threw it five feet to his left directly into the arms of Shepherd.

Any competent QB who doesn't imagine pressure could have thrown the TD.

[Stautner]

I didn't steal Deon's thoughts, but I do share them on Bledsoe.

Secondly, Parcells does have a double standard. He had no problem pointing out Gurode's mental errors and even stated that he would bench him if they continued. He keeps Bledsoe in the game despite his "mental errors" which are too numerous to go into detail about. I do not get upset when Bledsoe takes a sack because of poor Oline play, but I don't think he has any exuse for holding on the ball for over 7 seconds. Those sacks are his fault. He also throws too many ill advised passes. These are not mistakes a 34 year old quarterback should make. A first year quarterback yes, but not a veteran.

As far as not knowing what they had in Romo, so what? testerverde was not taking us to the Superbowl that year. My argument is that Aikman and Manning both played before they were ready. You need to see "real game film" on someone to make a judgement. The practice setting is not enough. I didn't like that Thanksgiving game. Henson was not allowed throw any passes in the middle. He was set up for failure from the beggining.

Jimmy Johnson was well known for having double standards, and even freely admitted as much. Somehow it worked for him ........

As for comparing the situation with our undrafted free agent QB from a small school to Number 1 overall picks in the draft who played for major colleges, I have one comment - ARE YOU SERIOUS?

[neosapien23]

Jimmy Johnson was well known for having double standards, and even freely admitted as much. Somehow it worked for him ........

As for comparing the situation with our undrafted free agent QB from a small school to Number 1 overall picks in the draft who played for major colleges, I have one comment - ARE YOU SERIOUS?

I suppose Tom Brady doesn't ring a bell. What about Jake Delhome, what round was he drafted in? Rod Smith, Priest Holmes??? If Romo can play, than so be it. Why live with Bledsoe making rookie mistakes when Romo can make those same mistakes and possibly get better.

I guarantee that if Irving or Aikman couldn't play, they wouldn't have recieved preferential treatment. If Johnson was still the coach of the Cowboys, Bledsoe would have already been on the bench.

[Stautner]

I suppose Tom Brady doesn't ring a bell. What about Jake Delhome, what round was he drafted in? Rod Smith, Priest Holmes??? If Romo can play, than so be it. Why live with Bledsoe making rookie mistakes when Romo can make those same mistakes and possibly get better.

You've shot yourself in the foot with this one - the examples of Brady and Delhomme support my position, not yours.

Unlike Aikman and Manning, neither Brady or Delhomme started right away - these guys were much more like Romo than Aikman and Manning.

Delhomme sat for three years and only got the chance to start after he got traded. And the plan was for Brady to learn from the bench longer than he did - he sat a full year and then only took over mduring his 2nd year because Bledsoe got hurt. And Brady at least had the benefit of having played against major competition in college.

As for Rod Smith, the obvious answer is that no one claims the learning curve for a WR is the same as for a QB, but even so, Smith sat the bench for 2 years before he got to play.

Same comment about the learning curve applies to RB, but Holmes sat on the bench for a year as well. And, like Brady, at least had the benefit of playing against major competition in college.

Seems your apples to apples comparison is really more of an apples to tuna fish comparison ..............

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Can anyone give me any benefit to having Parcells?

Seriously, other than stealing Terry Glenn from the Packers, what genius moves has he made to make the Cowboys better?


Yes the '06 team is better than the '02 team but that's the nature of the NFL, worst to first and back again. Other than the perennial also rans in Detroit (bad GM) and Arizona (bad owner) and the expansion Texans, every other team that was as bad as the '02 Cowboys are better than the '06 Cowboys. Marvin Lewis may have some character problems in Cincinatti, but he also has a better team. Lovie Smith also seems to have something going on in Chicago.

Free agents have gone from mediocre (Richie Anderson, Aaron Glenn, Anthony Henry) to disappointing (Rivera, Ferguson) to downright gawdawful (Young). I didn't include this year's because four games is too early to tell anything except for Boiman who is no longer in Dallas.

Some talented players have left also, Lehr, Coakley, Glover, Bryant...

Even look at the drafts. Some great picks like Witten tempered with some horrible picks like Rogers. Nothing special there except he's gone after TEs and LBs at an alarming rate.


Well let's see

Best receiving corps since Irvin and Harper

Best QB since Aikman

Best Corners since Sanders and Smith

Best LBers since the SB years

Best pair of running backs (the key word being pair) since Walker and Dorsett in 1986

Four solid drafts in a row

Now maybe you would prefer the three straight 5-11 seasons under Campo. I know I don't.

[kartr]

oh the humanity !!!!

and then there's Bill's deft touch with quarterbacks...I think Bill had a guy visit here that we could have signed but we didn't think he was worth it so he went to play for some football team in North Carolina.....I think his name was Jake D-something.....Don't know if this Jake guy has done much since...

Hell, who needed him - apparently BP sees more in Drew.

Delhomme is mediocre without Steve Smith. We should have traded Galloway for Smith.

[Stautner]

Well let's see

Best receiving corps since Irvin and Harper

Best QB since Aikman

Best Corners since Sanders and Smith

Best LBers since the SB years

Best pair of running backs (the key word being pair) since Walker and Dorsett in 1986

Four solid drafts in a row

Now maybe you would prefer the three straight 5-11 seasons under Campo. I know I don't.

Good post. While I understand the disappointment that we aren't playing like we hope to play, it isn't very hard to see the improvements made since Parcells arrived.

[kartr]

Some people may have "loved him when he came", but there are a minority here who knew what we were getting when Jones signed the drama queen.

He's always had a problem with QBs because he can't stand that someone else may get the credit and love when things go right. Plus he can always find someone else to blame when things go wrong.

I think you may be right. In 2003, all the credit for that season was given to Parcell's for making Q Carter play better and making the defense number 1, but most of the defensive players were already here and Carter went on to help the Jets make the playoffs the following year. Testeverde couldn't get the Jets to the playoffs in 2003 or 2005 when Pennington went down or help us get to the playoffs in 2004, yet Carter helped us get to the playoffs in 2003 and the Jets in 2004 and Bledsoe hasn't gotten a team to the playoffs since '98, with or without the Cowboys. From that, I surmise, that Q Carter was the one constant in both the Jets and Cowboys getting to the playoffs of late, not Parcells, maybe that's why Parcells hated to let him go, and maybe that's why Parcells chose to come to Dallas instead Detroit with 1st round qb,Harrington or the 9'ers with pro bowl qb,Garcia. Think about it, he called up Jerry to ask him about coming here. Any of a dozen gm's would have gladly fired their head coaches at thought of getting Parcell's as their head coach. What was the attraction here?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Delhomme is mediocre without Steve Smith. We should have traded Galloway for Smith.

What do you think he would be with Owens, Glenn and Witten?

[burmafrd]

We are LIGHT YEARS ahead of where we were in January of 2003. Look down the roster and we are better in probably 12-16 positions as regards starters. Our depth on the D line and at LB is superb. The Best secondary since the SByears (despite sunday). Better WR and TE since the SB years. Despite yesterday a much better QB then Q or Hutch or Leaf or- you get the point.
Now it is arguable at a couple of positions like guard if the Kosier of today is better then the LA of 2003; and of course Woody was a much better FS. But show me other then there where the starter in the last game of 2003 is as good as the starter in 2006. (the hotel and Roy are exempt of course).

[burmafrd]

kartr, will you please dry up and blow away. Only a complete moron would give Q any credit for the Jets playoff year. AND YOU DO REMEMBER THAT HE QUIT on them in the end?

[StanleySpadowski]

Well let's see

Best receiving corps since Irvin and Harper

Best QB since Aikman

Best Corners since Sanders and Smith

Best LBers since the SB years

Best pair of running backs (the key word being pair) since Walker and Dorsett in 1986

Four solid drafts in a row

Now maybe you would prefer the three straight 5-11 seasons under Campo. I know I don't.


Saying that Bledsoe is the best QB since Aikman is like saying she's the prettiest girl in Canada. May sound nice but not much to brag about. Besides, comparing QB ratings, it's not so clear cut that Bledsoe's any better than Carter or Testaverde despite having superior talent around him.


Dallas' drafts since he's been here haven't been that great either. A little luck has kept them from being pisspoor. If the Jets would have passed on Robertson in '02, we wouldn't have Newman and remember Detroit took Kevin Jones before Dallas could move back up after him.

[kartr]

I have to disagree. Vinny was brought in to start. I thought so as soon as he was signed. Quincy was not the answer at QB and Bill thought his old timer could hold the fort while he developed a young guy on the side. He was wrong. That is why Vinny is no longer around. If Vinny was such a great back up, he would have stuck around in Dallas as the back up.


Actually, you're right about Vinny being brought in here to start, but wrong about Quincy not being the answer, cause Bill has had a losing record without him and Quincy won 2 thirds of starts with the Jets and probably should have been 3-0 if not for Paul Hacketts screwup. Q also finished that year with a 98 qb rating. Since he left here, this is the 3rd consecutive year that there's been a qb controversy, so that's not an improvement. We had stability with BP and Q together and BP knew right away Jerry's insane championing of Chad Hutchinson was a mistake cause the guy just couldn't play. That's why when asked if he were surprised that both Q and Hutch were out of the league, he said, yes and no. He meant yes that Carter wasn't on a roster and no he wasn't surprised about Hutch.

[peplaw06]

I think you may be right. In 2003, all the credit for that season was given to Parcell's for making Q Carter play better and making the defense number 1, but most of the defensive players were already here and Carter went on to help the Jets make the playoffs the following year. Testeverde couldn't get the Jets to the playoffs in 2003 or 2005 when Pennington went down or help us get to the playoffs in 2004, yet Carter helped us get to the playoffs in 2003 and the Jets in 2004 and Bledsoe hasn't gotten a team to the playoffs since '98, with or without the Cowboys. From that, I surmise, that Q Carter was the one constant in both the Jets and Cowboys getting to the playoffs of late, not Parcells, maybe that's why Parcells hated to let him go, and maybe that's why Parcells chose to come to Dallas instead Detroit with 1st round qb,Harrington or the 9'ers with pro bowl qb,Garcia. Think about it, he called up Jerry to ask him about coming here. Any of a dozen gm's would have gladly fired their head coaches at thought of getting Parcell's as their head coach. What was the attraction here?

You my friend, are . Q Car the constant between the playoff runs?? Q Car the reason that the 2004 Jets made the playoffs?? Don't make me laugh.

Carter was the backup for the 2004 Jets. Chad Pennington led the Jets to a 6-1 start. In the 8th game he got hurt in the second half. Carter comes in and in the 4 games he played in before Pennington came back they were 2-2 with wins over the vaunted Browns and Cardinals by the scores of 10-7 and 13-3 respectively. Pennington comes back and the Jets go 2-3 in the last 5, and make the playoffs with a 10-6 record.

And QCar was the reason? Your man love for all things Quincy is downright ridiculous.

The Cowboys made the playoffs in 2003 because they had the number 1 defense and Bill made sure Quincy didn't blow it like he blew his career.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Saying that Bledsoe is the best QB since Aikman is like saying she's the prettiest girl in Canada. May sound nice but not much to brag about. Besides, comparing QB ratings, it's not so clear cut that Bledsoe's any better than Carter or Testaverde despite having superior talent around him.


Dallas' drafts since he's been here haven't been that great either. A little luck has kept them from being pisspoor. If the Jets would have passed on Robertson in '02, we wouldn't have Newman and remember Detroit took Kevin Jones before Dallas could move back up after him.


You know there is an old saying about the word "if".

BTW, what is your problem with Canada, you never pass up a chance to take a shot at us.

[Jarv]

And QCar was the reason? Your man love for all things Quincy is downright ridiculous.

The Cowboys made the playoffs in 2003 because they had the number 1 defense and Bill made sure Quincy didn't blow it like he blew his career.


Wish he would just do the same with Bledsoe.

[Stautner]

Saying that Bledsoe is the best QB since Aikman is like saying she's the prettiest girl in Canada. May sound nice but not much to brag about. Besides, comparing QB ratings, it's not so clear cut that Bledsoe's any better than Carter or Testaverde despite having superior talent around him.


Dallas' drafts since he's been here haven't been that great either. A little luck has kept them from being pisspoor. If the Jets would have passed on Robertson in '02, we wouldn't have Newman and remember Detroit took Kevin Jones before Dallas could move back up after him.

Robertson, jones ..... huh?

A good draft is a good draft - it doesn't become a bad draft based on "what if's".

Now, look at the drafts before and after Parcells came - see if you can't tell a difference.

The thing I think guys like you would benefit from is looking at everyone's draft over several years - you would learn that nobody is hitting home runs with all there picks and that it is VERY rare for a single team to string together multiple years where the majority of picks become contributors.

[Maikeru-sama]

The Cowboys made the playoffs in 2003 because they had the number 1 defense and Bill made sure Quincy didn't blow it like he blew his career.

The Quarterback at least deserves some credit when the team has a decent year and that year, based on the talent and the expectations, that was a pretty good year.

If you are going to rip Quincy a new one for being utterly miserable when the team didnt do well, you kind of have to give him some credit for winning.

The funny thing about it is, our defense is head and shoulders better then it was in 2003. So why cant "Bill" make sure Bledsoe doesn't blow it and get us into the Postseason?

- Mike G.

[SultanOfSix]

Saying that Bledsoe is the best QB since Aikman is like saying she's the prettiest girl in Canada.

I don't know man...I think you used a bad analogy because Canada has some pretty girls, including one who used to be in my sig.

[Maikeru-sama]

Dallas' drafts since he's been here haven't been that great either. A little luck has kept them from being pisspoor. If the Jets would have passed on Robertson in '02, we wouldn't have Newman and remember Detroit took Kevin Jones before Dallas could move back up after him.

Really?

Bill's draft have been exceptional because he is able to find talent in the late rounds.

If Bill Parcells ever leaves the Cowboys, (wont happen) I would love for the Cowboys to have him as a consultant during the drafts (except for OLs).

- Mike G.

[Alexander]

If you are going to bash Parcells at least use rational arguments.

Assuming that he could have signed anyone he wanted to at any time is irrational.

Who says Vinatieri, Hutchingson, Wahle etc. were even all that interested in Dallas. And at least in the case of the kicker the price tag would have been higher - or don't you think money is an object?

Treating the Testeverde signing as Parcells "experiment" is irrational.

Testeverde was never signed to be "THE MAN" - he was signed as insurance in case Quincy bombed - which he did. He was never meant to be anything more than a back-up plan.

Saying we shouldn't have gone after TO because WR wasn't a problem, then turning around and saying we screwed up by not drafting a WR is irrational.

Make up your mind.

Saying we screwed up by not drafting a QB is irrational.

This could prove to be true, but it isn't a worthy comment until we see how Romo works out.

Saying we should have drafted some unknown "someone" who could be active on game day rather than Carpenter is irrational.

No one throws perfect games on draft day - a LOT of much higher picks than Carpenter don't pan out, and that happens with every team. Besides, it's 4 games into his rookie year - rational minds understand that sometimes players take time to develop.

All your hindsight "I told you so's" are irrational.
Emmit had a huge salary and little production - using this hindsight arrogance about how you knew Hambrick wouldn't work out is bogus - it's not even the point of why Emmitt was let go.

Same for Eddie George - you are missing the point. He was never signed to be our stud and carry the team, he was signed as another RB with the hope that there was some chance of him returning to form.

Contrary to your apparent belief, Ladanian Tomlinsons don't grow on trees.


BOTTOM LINE: Obviously we aren't where we hoped we would be, but obviously we are much better than the team Parcell's inherited that had gone 5-11 for THREE straight seasons. I can understand dissatisfaction, but the hostility and the manufactured reasoning is laughable.


:bow:

[Stautner]

The Quarterback at least deserves some credit when the team has a decent year and that year, based on the talent and the expectations, that was a pretty good year.

If you are going to rip Quincy a new one for being utterly miserable when the team didnt do well, you kind of have to give him some credit for winning.

The funny thing about it is, our defense is head and shoulders better then it was in 2003. So why cant "Bill" make sure Bledsoe doesn't blow it and get us into the Postseason?

- Mike G.

Here we go again - blind fans not understanding something as simple as the difference between potential and production.

I'll try to explain it in simple terms.

This defense is NOT head and shoulders above 2003 because this defense hasn't proved anything yet. In fact, it's well behind the 2003 defense.

The thing you fail to realize is that so far this defense appears to have great potential with a lot of guys who seem to have great talent, but to date it hasn't resulted in the same production as 2003.

The production is what counts, not the potential. Actual production beats the hell out of all the potential in the world every time.

The reality is that the 2003 defense performed above and beyond it's supposedly moderate potential and became the Number 1 defense. Until this defense lives up to it's potential then it can't be discussed in the same breath as 2003.

[Alexander]

Here we go again - blind fans not understanding something as simple as the difference between potential and production.

I'll try to explain it in simple terms.

This defense is NOT head and shoulders above 2003 because this defense hasn't proved anything yet. In fact, it's well behind the 2003 defense.

The thing you fail to realize is that so far this defense appears to have great potential with a lot of guys who seem to have great talent, but to date it hasn't resulted in the same production as 2003.

The production is what counts, not the potential. Actual production beats the hell out of all the potential in the world every time.

The reality is that the 2003 defense performed above and beyond it's supposedly moderate potential and became the Number 1 defense. Until this defense lives up to it's potential then it can't be discussed in the same breath as 2003.

The defense's production against Philadelphia is what I found the most unnerving. It was our first true test and we failed to achieve a passing grade. I appreciate the fact the offense put them in a ten point hole, but we surrendered deep throws to a team on play action when we had no business biting on a run fake. It just seemed like a poor defensive plan overall, and even worse execution.

[Maikeru-sama]

Here we go again - blind fans not understanding something as simple as the difference between potential and production.

I'll try to explain it in simple terms.

This defense is NOT head and shoulders above 2003 because this defense hasn't proved anything yet. In fact, it's well behind the 2003 defense.

The thing you fail to realize is that so far this defense appears to have great potential with a lot of guys who seem to have great talent, but to date it hasn't resulted in the same production as 2003.

The production is what counts, not the potential. Actual production beats the hell out of all the potential in the world every time.

The reality is that the 2003 defense performed above and beyond it's supposedly moderate potential and became the Number 1 defense. Until this defense lives up to it's potential then it can't be discussed in the same breath as 2003.


This whole Nostalgia thing with the 2003 Defense kills me.

The 2003 Cowboys Defense was the number 1 defense overall, but I dont think anyone felt they were "really" the best defense in the entire NFL.

It has only been 4 Freakin games into the Season and the 2006 Cowboys Defense is behind the 2003 defense?

Let me try to explain this as simple as I can.


The 2003 Cowboys opened up against a Vickless Falcons team, eventual 4-12 Giants team in which they surrendered 32 points, and eventual 6-10 Jets team, The Cardinals (do I need to say anything), and Eagles (who won the East), Lions? Tampa Bay (7-9).

The 2003 Cowboys benefited from a very Cush and Easy Schedule and gave up 30+ points twice in a season and almost that much in our Playoff Blowout. The 7 out of the first 8 opponents the 2003 Cowboys played didnt even make the playoffs and only 3 out of 16 of the 2003 opponents even made the playoffs (You can count Miami I guess, they were 10-6 but the AFC was strong and you saw what happened on TG).

The 2006 Cowboys have played 2 teams that will probably make the Playoffs (Jags would if they were in the NFC) and still may in the AFC.

2003 > 2006 and I am a blind fan Man please...

The only thing that was better about the 2003 Defense is the philosophy. Zimmer (or Parcells depending on who you want to believe) was extremely aggressive that year even though we had inexperience in the secondary.

- Mike G.

[Stautner]

This whole Nostalgia thing with the 2003 Defense kills me.

The 2003 Cowboys Defense was the number 1 defense overall, but I dont think anyone felt they were "really" the best defense in the entire NFL.

It has only been 4 Freakin games into the Season and the 2006 Cowboys Defense is behind the 2003 defense?

Let me try to explain this as simple as I can.


The 2003 Cowboys opened up against a Vickless Falcons team, eventual 4-12 Giants team in which they surrendered 32 points, and eventual 6-10 Jets team, The Cardinals (do I need to say anything), and Eagles (who won the East), Lions? Tampa Bay (7-9).

The 2003 Cowboys benefited from a very Cush and Easy Schedule and gave up 30+ points twice in a season and almost that much in our Playoff Blowout. The 7 out of the first 8 opponents the 2003 Cowboys played didnt even make the playoffs and only 3 out of 16 of the 2003 opponents even made the playoffs (You can count Miami I guess, they were 10-6 but the AFC was strong and you saw what happened on TG).

The 2006 Cowboys have played 2 teams that will probably make the Playoffs (Jags would if they were in the NFC) and still may in the AFC.

2003 > 2006 and I am a blind fan Man please...

The only thing that was better about the 2003 Defense is the philosophy. Zimmer (or Parcells depending on who you want to believe) was extremely aggressive that year even though we had inexperience in the secondary.

- Mike G.

Frankly, I am not nostalgic for the 2003 defense at all - I personally think it was a fluke that we performed that well.

But that's not the point - or actually it is the point. We performed. It doesn't matter that the talent wasn't really that strong, and it doesn't matter that no one believed we would do that well. All that matters is that we did.

Like I said, performance is what counts, not potential.

[Maikeru-sama]

Frankly, I am not nostalgic for the 2003 defense at all - I personally think it was a fluke that we performed that well.

But that's not the point - or actually it is the point. We performed. It doesn't matter that the talent wasn't really that strong, and it doesn't matter that no one believed we would do that well. All that matters is that we did.

Like I said, performance is what counts, not potential.

Agreed.

You put the 2003 Defensive Philosophy with the 2006 Defensive Players and I think we are as good as the Bears. Some may say that is crazy, but I think that 2003 Aggresiveness really scared alot of teams. That defense, in particular, the games before the NE Game on ESPN (which I think after that game we stop being aggressive) was hell on wheels and would send the house on any given down.

For now, the 3-4 version is stuck with "read and reactive" very passive styles.

- Mike G.

[5Stars]

I think you may be right. In 2003, all the credit for that season was given to Parcell's for making Q Carter play better and making the defense number 1, but most of the defensive players were already here and Carter went on to help the Jets make the playoffs the following year. Testeverde couldn't get the Jets to the playoffs in 2003 or 2005 when Pennington went down or help us get to the playoffs in 2004, yet Carter helped us get to the playoffs in 2003 and the Jets in 2004 and Bledsoe hasn't gotten a team to the playoffs since '98, with or without the Cowboys. From that, I surmise, that Q Carter was the one constant in both the Jets and Cowboys getting to the playoffs of late, not Parcells, maybe that's why Parcells hated to let him go, and maybe that's why Parcells chose to come to Dallas instead Detroit with 1st round qb,Harrington or the 9'ers with pro bowl qb,Garcia. Think about it, he called up Jerry to ask him about coming here. Any of a dozen gm's would have gladly fired their head coaches at thought of getting Parcell's as their head coach. What was the attraction here?

Wait...let me get this straight...

Are you telling us that Parcells called JJ to see if he could become the coach of the Cowboys BECAUSE Carter was in Dallas at the time?

Please tell me that I read that wrong! Because if that is what you are trying to convey, you have just reached a new low...!

:eek:

Did anyone else read it that way, or was it just me? :confused:

[CowboysFaninDC]

Can anyone give me any benefit to having Parcells?

Seriously, other than stealing Terry Glenn from the Packers, what genius moves has he made to make the Cowboys better?

ware, burnett, ferguson (who is the defensive MVP so far), Newman, Witten, JJ, MB3, Spears, Canty, James, Henry, Watkins, Colombo,

he has drafted very well over the past few years. now I am sure you will give credit to the scouting dept, but make exceptions where it fits your arguments. The one area he has failed is the OL, for what ever reason.




Yes the '06 team is better than the '02 team but that's the nature of the NFL, worst to first and back again. Other than the perennial also rans in Detroit (bad GM) and Arizona (bad owner) and the expansion Texans, every other team that was as bad as the '02 Cowboys are better than the '06 Cowboys. Marvin Lewis may have some character problems in Cincinatti, but he also has a better team. Lovie Smith also seems to have something going on in Chicago.


well New England has been competitive for many years. So have the steelers, but then again that doesn't fit your argument. How about SF? how about Oakland? how about NO? how about cleveland?

the fact is if BP wouldn't come here, we would be one of those teams that you described above. we would continue to suck like we did.






Free agents have gone from mediocre (Richie Anderson, Aaron Glenn, Anthony Henry) to disappointing (Rivera, Ferguson) to downright gawdawful (Young). I didn't include this year's because four games is too early to tell anything except for Boiman who is no longer in Dallas.



well here you go again, only representing half the truth. WHO did those FAs replace? its not that those FAs were just signed, but who did they replace? we replaced Mario Edwards with Henry....we replaced (can't recall the FB) with Richie Anderson. We replaced who Ross with A Glenn.

Rivera has been and average signing.

with mention of Ferguson you just displayed your lack of football knowledge. He has been the defensive MVP so far. Every thing on the defense starts and ends with him in the middle. that's why we have given up 75 yards rushing and are 5th in the league in that dept.




Some talented players have left also, Lehr, Coakley, Glover, Bryant...

Even look at the drafts. Some great picks like Witten tempered with some horrible picks like Rogers. Nothing special there except he's gone after TEs and LBs at an alarming rate.

TALENTED PLAYERS THAT LEFT......Lehr... are you freaking joking!!!! you have to. otherwise I will consider this entire thread a joke.

Coakly and glover didn't fit the mold of a 3-4 defense plus they are both on the wrong side of 30. or do you think we should have build our defense around an average LB and an over the hill DT?

Bryant....talented but what have you done for me lately? or do you think the players should over rule the coach and the organization? btw, bryant is on his 3rd team and they are already tired of his act in SF.

man...this was a really weak argument on your part.

[Stautner]

Agreed.

You put the 2003 Defensive Philosophy with the 2006 Defensive Players and I think we are as good as the Bears. Some may say that is crazy, but I think that 2003 Aggresiveness really scared alot of teams. That defense, in particular, the games before the NE Game on ESPN (which I think after that game we stop being aggressive) was hell on wheels and would send the house on any given down.

For now, the 3-4 version is stuck with "read and reactive" very passive styles.

- Mike G.

I can't completely agree with this - it assumes that the players we have are the studs we think and hope they can be. That just isn't a given at this point.

I'm not saying that being a little more agressive is a bad idea - I would like to see it at least to a point. But i think it's way premature to decide that these guys are capable of being the best of the best - most are still just trying to make a mark in the league.

[peplaw06]

I wish some of you guys could really listen to yourself or read what you're writing.

You're longing for the days of Quincy FREAKIN Carter!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!!1!!!

I expected a meltdown on the board this week, but this is inexcusable.

[Stautner]

I wish some of you guys could really listen to yourself or read what you're writing.

You're longing for the days of Quincy FREAKIN Carter!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!!1!!!

I expected a meltdown on the board this week, but this is inexcusable.

I'm glad someone else sees this - what a joke to still be pining over the loss of a guy that no one in the NFL or Canada wants.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I wish some of you guys could really listen to yourself or read what you're writing.

You're longing for the days of Quincy FREAKIN Carter!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!!1!!!

I expected a meltdown on the board this week, but this is inexcusable.

kartr has extreme man love for Quincy Carter.

QC could be on a 12 day coke binge and kill a family of three and he would still clamor to bring carter back or try to defend him somehow.

In other words take anything he says about QC with a grain...no mountain, of salt.

[peplaw06]

kartr has extreme man love for Quincy Carter.

QC could be on a 12 day coke binge and kill a family of three and he would still clamor to bring carter back or try to defend him somehow.

In other words take anything he says about QC with a grain...no mountain, of salt.

Man, I posted this in the wrong thread....

I meant to put this in the mobility thread. There are some more guys saying Carter could make a difference over there. It's insanity.

[Chuck 54]

I find your comparison to the other bottom feeders in 2002 very interesting...novel approach I haven't seen before...and the results are troubling.

[Stautner]

I find your comparison to the other bottom feeders in 2002 very interesting...novel approach I haven't seen before...and the results are troubling.

I know of at least one he left out that is still not doing well - there may be more.

[kartr]

What do you think he would be with Owens, Glenn and Witten?

Better than Bledsoe for sure.

[kartr]

kartr, will you please dry up and blow away. Only a complete moron would give Q any credit for the Jets playoff year. AND YOU DO REMEMBER THAT HE QUIT on them in the end?

Pennington only had 8 wins and Baltimore had 9 and Buffalo had 9. Without Q's 2 wins, either Baltimore or Buffalo would have went to the playoffs instead of the Jets if they had not signed Q. Do the math.

[ringmaster]

The defense's production against Philadelphia is what I found the most unnerving. It was our first true test and we failed to achieve a passing grade. I appreciate the fact the offense put them in a ten point hole, but we surrendered deep throws to a team on play action when we had no business biting on a run fake. It just seemed like a poor defensive plan overall, and even worse execution. Right on Al, some of the blame also belongs to the coaching staff that was the worst DB blitz, I've ever seen yes Ellis, had a chance for a sack but it was side stepped for 87 yd bomb to Hank Baskett that is what I didn't understand.

And that call on the offense with 38 seconds in the 4th qt, where the Eagles, gave us 1st&Goal with an interference call why would they even call that pass play when all the had to do was feed it to JuJu at the six yard line only for the pass to be intercepted and ran for 102 yds for a TD, by Sheppard everybody deserves the blame but that was some poor game planning by the coaches as well.

[peplaw06]

Pennington only had 8 wins and Baltimore had 9 and Buffalo had 9. Without Q's 2 wins, either Baltimore or Buffalo would have went to the playoffs instead of the Jets if they had not signed Q. Do the math.

The Jets could have signed me, and I would have won two games against the Cards and Browns by 13 points combined.

[kartr]

You my friend, are . Q Car the constant between the playoff runs?? Q Car the reason that the 2004 Jets made the playoffs?? Don't make me laugh.

Carter was the backup for the 2004 Jets. Chad Pennington led the Jets to a 6-1 start. In the 8th game he got hurt in the second half. Carter comes in and in the 4 games he played in before Pennington came back they were 2-2 with wins over the vaunted Browns and Cardinals by the scores of 10-7 and 13-3 respectively. Pennington comes back and the Jets go 2-3 in the last 5, and make the playoffs with a 10-6 record.

And QCar was the reason? Your man love for all things Quincy is downright ridiculous.

The Cowboys made the playoffs in 2003 because they had the number 1 defense and Bill made sure Quincy didn't blow it like he blew his career.

Get your facts straight, Carter played in 5 games but started 3, winning 2 or 2/3 or 66%. Jets fans were saying that Santana Moss was a wasted 1st round pick because he had not been that productive,finishing in the 30th percentile statistically, but the 3 games that Carter started, Santana magically was transported to a top 5 receiver in yards per catch, catchs and touchdowns;after Pennington comes back, Moss dropped back down to the 30th percentile. Read between the lines, with Pennington as the starter, Moss underachieves, with Carter as the starter, Moss is an elite receiver. Why do you think Gibbs traded Coles for Moss;because he obviously saw the same thing I did. He didn't sign Carter because he could get Jason Campbell, a Carter clone. REad between the lines on this one too,Carter helps Bill get to the playoffs quicker than he had ever before and then helps the Jets get to the playoffs the following year,which none of the other Jets backup qb's could do;meanwhile, Dallas hasn't been back to the playoffs since Carter left,despite all the improvements they've made. Carter is the one missing factor in both the Jets and Cowboys struggles.

[joseephuss]

Pennington only had 8 wins and Baltimore had 9 and Buffalo had 9. Without Q's 2 wins, either Baltimore or Buffalo would have went to the playoffs instead of the Jets if they had not signed Q. Do the math.

Math

A = B
A = 1 failed drug test
B = 0 starts for the Cowboys in 2004

C= D+E+F+G
C = 1 bailing on his Jets teammates in 2004
D = 1 missed opportunity to be the Jets QB instead of an injured Pennington in the playoffs
E = 0 chances of being re-signed by the Jets in 2005
F = 0 chances to be signed by any NFL team
G = 4 probable game suspension if ever signed again

H = I+J
H = 1 I'm too good to compete for a job attitude
I = 1 team that cut him in the CFL
J = 0 other CFL teams that have tried to sign him

That is some scary math. I would hate to see that on the SAT.

[Rampage]

to answer the posters question. parcells has brought us back to being an average team

[kartr]

The Quarterback at least deserves some credit when the team has a decent year and that year, based on the talent and the expectations, that was a pretty good year.

If you are going to rip Quincy a new one for being utterly miserable when the team didnt do well, you kind of have to give him some credit for winning.

The funny thing about it is, our defense is head and shoulders better then it was in 2003. So why cant "Bill" make sure Bledsoe doesn't blow it and get us into the Postseason?

- Mike G.

Well said, very well said.:worthy:

[CowboyJeff]

What has Parcells done? He did what 3 previous head coaches could not do. He made arguably the biggest Cowboys move in the new millenium: forcing Jerry Jones to fire Larry Lacewell.

[peplaw06]

Better than Bledsoe for sure.

Can we get a smiley for pulling your hair out, or one in a straight jacket?

Maybe one bashing kartr

:spanking: :stupid::yousuck::bomb::jets:kartr:pee::liarliar:: explode::chop::chainsaw::abuseme::rake::storm::sho ot2:

None of these quite do it for me.

[Chocolate Lab]

Wait...let me get this straight...

Are you telling us that Parcells called JJ to see if he could become the coach of the Cowboys BECAUSE Carter was in Dallas at the time?

Please tell me that I read that wrong! Because if that is what you are trying to convey, you have just reached a new low...!

:eek:

Did anyone else read it that way, or was it just me? :confused:

Holy Cow, you're right, he did say that...

I think the reason no one noticed it before is that 90% of the board has him on ignore. ;)

[Stautner]

Right on Al, some of the blame also belongs to the coaching staff that was the worst DB blitz, I've ever seen yes Ellis, had a chance for a sack but it was side stepped for 87 yd bomb to Hank Baskett that is what I didn't understand.

And that call on the offense with 38 seconds in the 4th qt, where the Eagles, gave us 1st&Goal with an interference call why would they even call that pass play when all the had to do was feed it to JuJu at the six yard line only for the pass to be intercepted and ran for 102 yds for a TD, by Sheppard everybody deserves the blame but that was some poor game planning by the coaches as well.

Do you understand about punctuation .........?

As for why we called that pass - WE HAD NO TIMEOUTS.

Notwithstanding your belief that a hand off to Julius would have been a certain TD, if it hadn't worked we wouldn't have been able to stop the clock.

By throwing the ball we should have had 4 chances to score the TD if needed, and since the clock stops on an incompletion we would have plenty of time to call a play and set up the offense each time.

Running the ball and failing would have meant either (A) forcing the offense to scramble around with time running down and try to get a play off quickly (not desireable), or (B) spiking the ball and wasting a down - thereby leaving us with only 3 possible shots at the end zone rather than 4.

It isn't difficult to understand, and criticizing the coaching over this shows a lack of knowledge of the game.

The "poor game planning" you were referring to was actually a poor decision and poor throw by Bledsoe - nothing more.

[BeWare94]

Not even making a phone call to Drew Brees.

What about not even making a phone call to Dom Capers who is a master of the 3-4 when the Texans fired him? Our defense would be kicking *** if we had a coordinator who knew how to employ the system.

[peplaw06]

Get your facts straight, Carter played in 5 games but started 3, winning 2 or 2/3 or 66%. Jets fans were saying that Santana Moss was a wasted 1st round pick because he had not been that productive,finishing in the 30th percentile statistically, but the 3 games that Carter started, Santana magically was transported to a top 5 receiver in yards per catch, catchs and touchdowns;after Pennington comes back, Moss dropped back down to the 30th percentile. Read between the lines, with Pennington as the starter, Moss underachieves, with Carter as the starter, Moss is an elite receiver. Why do you think Gibbs traded Coles for Moss;because he obviously saw the same thing I did. He didn't sign Carter because he could get Jason Campbell, a Carter clone. REad between the lines on this one too,Carter helps Bill get to the playoffs quicker than he had ever before and then helps the Jets get to the playoffs the following year,which none of the other Jets backup qb's could do;meanwhile, Dallas hasn't been back to the playoffs since Carter left,despite all the improvements they've made. Carter is the one missing factor in both the Jets and Cowboys struggles.

First of all try paragraphs... Second of all you have no credibility on this board. And thirdly I got my facts straight. When Pennington was injured, Carter was 2-2, with wins over the Cards and Browns.

And who cares what Santana Moss did, the Jets were 8-4 with Chad Pennington including a 6-1 start. You do the math. That's better that QCar's percentage.

Also, how's that Carter clone Campbell working out in Washington?? I guess Gibbs is hatin on your boy there too. I'm sure if Gibbs put Campbell in, they'd be going to the playoffs. :rolleyes:

And finally, IMO Gennaro DiNapoli is the missing link from the 2003 Cowboys. He's the reason we haven't been back to the playoffs. The blocking he gave us in those 7 games he played is sorely missed.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? I guarantee you it's no more ridiculous than your assertion that Carter is the missing link. BTW, I don't know if you missed the memo, but Carter isn't in the league anymore, and he's certainly not on the Cowboys roster. Why do you waste your time and mine?

[BeWare94]

I guess people forget Jerry in all of this.

NO deal can be done without Jerry's OK.
Jerry's blameless in this one. He hired a reputable head coach and got him what he needed/asked for and let him coach. That's what good owners do.

I'm the first to blame Mr. Jones when he's guilty but he's really blameless in this situation.

[kartr]

This whole Nostalgia thing with the 2003 Defense kills me.

The 2003 Cowboys Defense was the number 1 defense overall, but I dont think anyone felt they were "really" the best defense in the entire NFL.

It has only been 4 Freakin games into the Season and the 2006 Cowboys Defense is behind the 2003 defense?

Let me try to explain this as simple as I can.


The 2003 Cowboys opened up against a Vickless Falcons team, eventual 4-12 Giants team in which they surrendered 32 points, and eventual 6-10 Jets team, The Cardinals (do I need to say anything), and Eagles (who won the East), Lions? Tampa Bay (7-9).

The 2003 Cowboys benefited from a very Cush and Easy Schedule and gave up 30+ points twice in a season and almost that much in our Playoff Blowout. The 7 out of the first 8 opponents the 2003 Cowboys played didnt even make the playoffs and only 3 out of 16 of the 2003 opponents even made the playoffs (You can count Miami I guess, they were 10-6 but the AFC was strong and you saw what happened on TG).

The 2006 Cowboys have played 2 teams that will probably make the Playoffs (Jags would if they were in the NFC) and still may in the AFC.

2003 > 2006 and I am a blind fan Man please...

The only thing that was better about the 2003 Defense is the philosophy. Zimmer (or Parcells depending on who you want to believe) was extremely aggressive that year even though we had inexperience in the secondary.

- Mike G.

I agree about the 2003 defense, they had a much easier run of it playing against a bunch backup and inexperienced qb's. On the other hand, our offense with a qb with just 15 games of experience, a slug rb in Hambrick and receivers who dropped 30 passes that year were going up against the Patriots and Panthers' superbowl defenses,plus the Bills no.3 defense, the Dolphins defense and the Eagles defense that got to the NFC Championship, not to mention Tampa's superbowl defense. In fact, 8 of our opponents finished in the top 10 in total defense. Our offense was number one for the first 6 weeks, until everyone figured out that Hambrick(3 100 yard games) was a liability. Carter at least threw for 288 yards against the Dolphins, 210 yards against the Pats and 254 yards against the Panthers and 560 yards in 2 games against the Giants and 290 yards against the Saints, while Hambrick ran for less than 100 yards against all the those teams put together.

[BeWare94]

Some people may have "loved him when he came", but there are a minority here who knew what we were getting when Jones signed the drama queen.

He's always had a problem with QBs because he can't stand that someone else may get the credit and love when things go right. Plus he can always find someone else to blame when things go wrong.

this is also why Emmitt had to go...As long as the greatest running back of all time resided in Dallas, Parcells couldn't ever be alone at center stage. That's probably his objection with Terrell Owens as well.

[peplaw06]

Holy Cow, you're right, he did say that...

I think the reason no one noticed it before is that 90% of the board has him on ignore. ;)

You're right, no one even acknowledges him anymore, except me. I guess I missed the ignore memo.

For the rest of you who may be plucking your eyes out by reading his comments... Ignore kartr (http://cowboyszone.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=3405)

[BeWare94]

Saying that Bledsoe is the best QB since Aikman is like saying she's the prettiest girl in Canada. May sound nice but not much to brag about. Besides, comparing QB ratings, it's not so clear cut that Bledsoe's any better than Carter or Testaverde despite having superior talent around him.


Dallas' drafts since he's been here haven't been that great either. A little luck has kept them from being pisspoor. If the Jets would have passed on Robertson in '02, we wouldn't have Newman and remember Detroit took Kevin Jones before Dallas could move back up after him.

Why do people keep mentioning Dave Campo like if we don't have Parcells we get Campo? There are other coaching candidates out there.

[Stautner]

this is also why Emmitt had to go...As long as the greatest running back of all time resided in Dallas, Parcells couldn't ever be alone at center stage. That's probably his objection with Terrell Owens as well.

This is the most incredibly stupid thing I've read today - and that includes a lot of stupid things.

In New York he had one of the highest profile players of all time - Lawrence Taylor.

It's mind boggling that you could actually think that Parcells intentionally avoids star players yet has had a highly successful coaching career.

The logic didn't fly out the window - it was never there.

[5Stars]

Why do you waste your time and mine?

You are peeing against the wind, peplaw06...

There is absoutely NOTHING you can say that will convince kartr that Crankcase is nothing more then a bum...

kartr has it stuck in his head that Crankcase is the best QB to ever grace a football field...Crankcase can take the Okland Raiders to the Superbowl this year of only they would sign him!

Also, he never answers the question, "Where is Carter today, and how come he is not playing football for any team"? He just will not answer the question, because he does not want to hear it, and he does not want to live in reality.

And, the reality is that it is a race issue with kartr, it always has been, and it always will be.

Now, I apologize to everyone that I introduced race into this, but, if you know kartr's history, I'm sorry, but it's as simple as that.

It get old, real fast...however, you will never change his mind. It's amazing how many thousands and thousands of football fans and players will tell you the QC was never really that good, that he was just an average QB, but, karter and a few others will tell you he's the best QB to ever come into the NFL...but, the man brought him down...Carter had nothing to do with it...it was always someone else's fault....

Very sad...

[peplaw06]

And, the reality is that it is a race issue with kartr, it always has been, and it always will be.

Now, I apologize to everyone that I introduced race into this, but, if you know kartr's history, I'm sorry, but it's as simple as that.

It get old, real fast...however, you will never change his mind. It's amazing how many thousands and thousands of football fans and players will tell you the QC was never really that good, that he was just an average QB, but, karter and a few others will tell you he's the best QB to ever come into the NFL...but, the man brought him down...Carter had nothing to do with it...it was always someone else's fault....

Very sad...

:hammer:

I didn't want to say it, but it's painfully obvious. I have him on ignore now, so I won't waste any more of my time.

[kartr]

Wait...let me get this straight...

Are you telling us that Parcells called JJ to see if he could become the coach of the Cowboys BECAUSE Carter was in Dallas at the time?

Please tell me that I read that wrong! Because if that is what you are trying to convey, you have just reached a new low...!

:eek:

Did anyone else read it that way, or was it just me? :confused:


You read it right. Parcells passed on Jake Delhomme and Brian Griese and had no interest in Jake the Snake. He also didn't draft a qb. He said he believed Carter was a better qb than Hutch from start to finish and regrets having to let him go. He probably saw Carter lead us to come from behind wins against the Rams on the road and Carolina at home and knew that the team had talent, just nobody to coach it in 2002. He also saw the stupidity in benching Carter in 2002 when we were 3-4 and right in the middle of the playoff race, then go 2-9 without Carter against easier competition and miss the playoffs, yet Jerry standing there like an idiot talking about how he still liked Hutch's potential. So much for Hutch's potential. You and others may not like it, but the most consistent play we've had over the last few years have been with Q-Car as our starter. We weren't a laughing stock in 2003 and played some of the most entertaining football in years, beat the snot out of weak teams and winning some close games against good teams. This team is a long way from inspiring the confidence that that team did, and we didn't have a qb controversy either.

[kartr]

I'm glad someone else sees this - what a joke to still be pining over the loss of a guy that no one in the NFL or Canada wants.

A lot of teams could use him now as they are struggling at the qb position. Count them, the Raiders,cleveland,Miami, 9'ers,Arizona, the Bills, the Jets, Houston,KC,Atlanta, Washington, oh and Dallas. Yeah, they all look real smart right now. Not.

[5Stars]

This team is a long way from inspiring the confidence that that team did, and we didn't have a qb controversy either.

No, maybe no QB controversy...but we did have a weak minded druggie who blew his life away while toking on the bong! That's what is sad...

I have to admit, I rooted for him, and he did have some good qualities as a QB, but, he was not, and is not, what you talk him up to be...because if he was, four game suspension or not, teams would be jumping to give him another chance...and that, Mr. karter is very telling that it's not happening...

[joseephuss]

A lot of teams could use him now as they are struggling at the qb position. Count them, the Raiders,cleveland,Miami, 9'ers,Arizona, the Bills, the Jets, Houston,KC,Atlanta, Washington, oh and Dallas. Yeah, they all look real smart right now. Not.

The 49ers, Arizona and the Bills are growing with young QBs. Have you even watched their games? Those young guys are showing something and Leinart is only a rookie. I don't think they regret not having Quincy.

The Jets also don't regret not having him. He bailed on them. Do you not remember that?

Atlanta? Right. I am sure they would have QC over Vick. No, that would be a dream world.

The other teams you listed probably do want better QBs, but that still does not apply to QC. Better QBs don't screw themselves out of jobs and stay off the field for two seasons. No one regrets passing on QC and it is because of his attitude and off the field problems. That is reality.

[kartr]

kartr has extreme man love for Quincy Carter.

QC could be on a 12 day coke binge and kill a family of three and he would still clamor to bring carter back or try to defend him somehow.

In other words take anything he says about QC with a grain...no mountain, of salt.


Listen to yourself, there are players every day gettin busted for drugs and DUI's and none of them are named Quincy Carter, but they continue to play and he does not. That tells you the stupidity of the decision-makers. Mike Irvin has had more to do with drugs while he was playing and after his career than Carter. If Carter had done any of things you mentioned, I wouldn't want him back, but he hasn't and it's just killing you isn't it.

[kartr]

The Jets could have signed me, and I would have won two games against the Cards and Browns by 13 points combined.

You couldn't even beat me out or Bollinger.

[5Stars]

A lot of teams could use him now as they are struggling at the qb position. Count them, the Raiders,cleveland,Miami, 9'ers,Arizona, the Bills, the Jets, Houston,KC,Atlanta, Washington, oh and Dallas. Yeah, they all look real smart right now. Not.

So, you just indicted Carter, right here!

If those teams were that desperate, then why not sign him? Those teams are all PROFESSIONAL football organizations that have some good history, yet, you say they look stupid right now because they don't have QC?

Come on, kartr...wise up...

[kartr]

Math

A = B
A = 1 failed drug test
B = 0 starts for the Cowboys in 2004

C= D+E+F+G
C = 1 bailing on his Jets teammates in 2004
D = 1 missed opportunity to be the Jets QB instead of an injured Pennington in the playoffs
E = 0 chances of being re-signed by the Jets in 2005
F = 0 chances to be signed by any NFL team
G = 4 probable game suspension if ever signed again

H = I+J
H = 1 I'm too good to compete for a job attitude
I = 1 team that cut him in the CFL
J = 0 other CFL teams that have tried to sign him

That is some scary math. I would hate to see that on the SAT.

That's not math, it's gobbledy goop.

[joseephuss]

Listen to yourself, there are players every day gettin busted for drugs and DUI's and none of them are named Quincy Carter, but they continue to play and he does not. That tells you the stupidity of the decision-makers. Mike Irvin has had more to do with drugs while he was playing and after his career than Carter. If Carter had done any of things you mentioned, I wouldn't want him back, but he hasn't and it's just killing you isn't it.

Mike Irvin had more to do with top notch football than Carter.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Listen to yourself, there are players every day gettin busted for drugs and DUI's and none of them are named Quincy Carter, but they continue to play and he does not. That tells you the stupidity of the decision-makers. Mike Irvin has had more to do with drugs while he was playing and after his career than Carter. If Carter had done any of things you mentioned, I wouldn't want him back, but he hasn't and it's just killing you isn't it.



You may be correct, we may be making a mistake but we are not alone. Nobdoy is trying to sign Quincy. Is it all us? Hard to imagine it is all us Kartr.

When it's all said and done, there are teams out there who could use a decent QB with experience and Quincy continues to be unsigned and out of the league. At some point, you gotta acknowledge that fact.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Listen to yourself, there are players every day gettin busted for drugs and DUI's and none of them are named Quincy Carter, but they continue to play and he does not. That tells you the stupidity of the decision-makers. Mike Irvin has had more to do with drugs while he was playing and after his career than Carter. If Carter had done any of things you mentioned, I wouldn't want him back, but he hasn't and it's just killing you isn't it.

Not killing me.

He is sitting unemployed and no team wants to give him a try because he is still pending a 4 game suspension.

Sounds like it is killing you as you are the one that brings him up.

He could not make it in the NFL as no team has signed him, He could not even make it as a 3rd stringer in the CFL.

Facts are Facts. He is unemployed as a QB in the CFL and NFL. Like it, don't like it, does not kill me because you are the one bringing him up and making outrageous claims.

I got an idea, how bout you start an NFL or CFL team and make QC your starting QB.

[joseephuss]

You may be correct, we may be making a mistake but we are not alone. Nobdoy is trying to sign Quincy. Is it all us? Hard to imagine it is all us Kartr.

When it's all said and done, there are teams out there who could use a decent QB with experience and Quincy continues to be unsigned and out of the league. At some point, you gotta acknowledge that fact.

The CFL as well. Two leagues where the QB position is always one of need. QC can't get a job. Must be a conspiracy.

[kartr]

First of all try paragraphs... Second of all you have no credibility on this board. And thirdly I got my facts straight. When Pennington was injured, Carter was 2-2, with wins over the Cards and Browns.

And who cares what Santana Moss did, the Jets were 8-4 with Chad Pennington including a 6-1 start. You do the math. That's better that QCar's percentage.

Also, how's that Carter clone Campbell working out in Washington?? I guess Gibbs is hatin on your boy there too. I'm sure if Gibbs put Campbell in, they'd be going to the playoffs. :rolleyes:

And finally, IMO Gennaro DiNapoli is the missing link from the 2003 Cowboys. He's the reason we haven't been back to the playoffs. The blocking he gave us in those 7 games he played is sorely missed.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? I guarantee you it's no more ridiculous than your assertion that Carter is the missing link. BTW, I don't know if you missed the memo, but Carter isn't in the league anymore, and he's certainly not on the Cowboys roster. Why do you waste your time and mine?

Obviously you're happy about Carter not being here or playing in the league, but what's really rediculous is that you'd rather lose without Carter than win with him. So congrats, you get what you want. No more playoffs.

[BrAinPaiNt]

You may be correct, we may be making a mistake but we are not alone. Nobdoy is trying to sign Quincy. Is it all us? Hard to imagine it is all us Kartr.

When it's all said and done, there are teams out there who could use a decent QB with experience and Quincy continues to be unsigned and out of the league. At some point, you gotta acknowledge that fact.

It is a massive conspiracy theory by all professional football against QC.

They all have to be wrong, I mean NOBODY is employing this guy.

They all just know that QC is so good that he would destroy any QBs esteem on the roster and they can't have that.

/sarcasm off.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Obviously you're happy about Carter not being here or playing in the league, but what's really rediculous is that you'd rather lose without Carter than win with him. So congrats, you get what you want. No more playoffs.

You have beef with anyone, it should be your boy.

He got the chance of a life time and he either smoked it or snorted it away.

QC has nobody to blame but himself.

[Maikeru-sama]

And, the reality is that it is a race issue with kartr, it always has been, and it always will be.

Now, I apologize to everyone that I introduced race into this, but, if you know kartr's history, I'm sorry, but it's as simple as that.


I dont know that it is neccesarily a "race issue" with Katr. I think he is just a big fan of Quincy Carter just like there are fans here of Henson, Romo, Hutch etc etc but he does it to the Nth Degree.

I think he lets that fact get in the way when talking about Carter.

- Mike G.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I dont know that it is neccesarily a "race issue" with Katr. I think he is just a big fan of Quincy Carter just like there are fans here of Henson, Romo, Hutch etc etc but he does it to the Nth Degree.

I think he lets that fact get in the way when talking about Carter.

- Mike G.

No with him I do believe it IS a race issue in favor of QC.

However to be fair it was also a race issue among some other cowboys fans against QC as well.

[5Stars]

I dont know that it is neccesarily a "race issue" with Katr. I think he is just a big fan of Quincy Carter just like there are fans here of Henson, Romo, Hutch etc etc but he does it to the Nth Degree.

I think he lets that fact get in the way when talking about Carter.

- Mike G.


Well, hopefully you are right and I am wrong...

[Stautner]

I dont know that it is neccesarily a "race issue" with Katr. I think he is just a big fan of Quincy Carter just like there are fans here of Henson, Romo, Hutch etc etc but he does it to the Nth Degree.

I think he lets that fact get in the way when talking about Carter.

- Mike G.

So many great Dallas QB's to worship, and he chooses Carter?

What makes Carter different. Certainly it isn't the skill level - there have been a multitude of Dallas QB's over the years that were clearly better.

If he want's a black QB he should worship Cunningham or Peete - better QB's and better guys.

[BrAinPaiNt]

So many great Dallas QB's to worship, and he chooses Carter?

What makes Carter different. Certainly it isn't the skill level - there have been a multitude of Dallas QB's over the years that were clearly better.

If he want's a black QB he should worship Cunningham or Peete - better QB's and better guys.

Cunningham was better when he was in Philly and Minny.

Heck he was the offense in Philly.

However I lost some respect for him when he came here as it seemed he was content by just sitting on the bench and collecting a check when they asked him to step up.

Still give him respect for being a one man offense in philly with a coach that did not care if he had help on his side of the ball.

[Stautner]

Cunningham was better when he was in Philly and Minny.

Heck he was the offense in Philly.

However I lost some respect for him when he came here as it seemed he was content by just sitting on the bench and collecting a check when they asked him to step up.

Still give him respect for being a one man offense in philly with a coach that did not care if he had help on his side of the ball.

Admittedly he wasn't in his prime, but he was still a better player than Quincy - and a smarter guy and a better guy.

Peete was always barely avereage - but a good guy.

[5Stars]

So many great Dallas QB's to worship, and he chooses Carter?

What makes Carter different. Certainly it isn't the skill level - there have been a multitude of Dallas QB's over the years that were clearly better.

If he want's a black QB he should worship Cunningham or Peete - better QB's and better guys.

See, this is the thing that I don't understand about kartr...because really, I think kartr knows football because in other dicussions he actually says things that are knowlegable about the game...so he's not dumb!

So, I have always thought that kartr is really Quincy himself, or kartr is QC's dad, mom, brother, sister, someone related to QC...I mean, come on here, what else could it be other then a racial issue?

kartr always compares QC to other black QB's, like Cambell for instance, who has not done nothing...and I've read him saying that if posters could support their white QBs, then he has the right to support a black QB...which is alright, I don't see a problem with that at all...

It's just amazing how he puts someone like Quincy on this big pedestal, when everyone in the football world does not want anything to do with him!

I don't put kartr on "ignore" because he does come up with stuff that I totally agree with, however, when it comes to the QB position, even after all this time, he still supports Quincy and tells the world that every NFL organization is stupid for not having QC as their QB...

In a sense, it's admirable of kartr to support QC, but, in the same token...it makes absoutely no sense whatsoever!

Now, if kartr is not a relative, and QC is not playing QB for any team, what are we supposed to think about kartr's support for this guy? It has to be something else...it just has to be....

I just wish kartr would drop the QC stuff! It's over...it's said and done! Nothing is going to change anytime soon...

But, kartr is a good guy...and hopefully Quincy will find his way also....

[joseephuss]

See, this is the thing that I don't understand about kartr...because really, I think kartr knows football because in other dicussions he actually says things that are knowlegable about the game...so he's not dumb!

So, I have always thought that kartr is really Quincy himself, or kartr is QC's dad, mom, brother, sister, someone related to QC...I mean, come on here, what else could it be other then a racial issue?

kartr always compares QC to other black QB's, like Cambell for instance, who has not done nothing...and I've read him saying that if posters could support their white QBs, then he has the right to support a black QB...which is alright, I don't see a problem with that at all...

It's just amazing how he puts someone like Quincy on this big pedestal, when everyone in the football world does not want anything to do with him!

I don't put kartr on "ignore" because he does come up with stuff that I totally agree with, however, when it comes to the QB position, even after all this time, he still supports Quincy and tells the world that every NFL organization is stupid for not having QC as their QB...

In a sense, it's admirable of kartr to support QC, but, in the same token...it makes absoutely no sense whatsoever!

Now, if kartr is not a relative, and QC is not playing QB for any team, what are we supposed to think about kartr's support for this guy? It has to be something else...it just has to be....

I just wish kartr would drop the QC stuff! It's over...it's said and done! Nothing is going to change anytime soon...

But, kartr is a good guy...and hopefully Quincy will find his way also....


Well put.

[Ratmatt]

You won't get an argument from me. :bang2:

You even left out a few stupid moves he(they?) has made like:

1. The Vinny Intercepteverde experiment.
2. Signing Vanderjagt instead of Vinatieri, KNOWING Vandy can't handle kickoffs and then complaining about having to take 2 kickers to games.
3. Signing Terrell Owens instead of Steve Hutchinson. OL was the problem on offense last year, not WR.
4. NOT drafting a QB or WR.
5. Drafting Carpenter, who isn't even playing, in the 1st round instead of a position of need or at least a guy who might actually be active on game day.
6. Cutting Emmitt Smith in favor of Troy Hambrick. I can understand letting Emmitt go for cap reasons but going with Hambrick as our feature back? Just plain stupid (and no, that's not hindsight on my part, I knew Hambrick was a loser from the start).
7. Signing Rivera instead of Wahle.
8. Signing Eddie George even though anyone with half a brain could see that he was finished a couple of years earlier.
9. Sticking with Bledsoe even after last season and now after his horrible performances against good teams this year.
10. (Should be #1) Keeping Mike Zimmer as the DC.
I know Zimmer takes alot of ripping on here,but I believe he is running the defense the way Parcells wants it ran.So blame Parcells for that also.

[CrazyCowboy]

Benefit? It is tough when we are mad about losing

[CaptainMorgan]

I guess people forget Jerry in all of this.

NO deal can be done without Jerry's OK.

Jerry did exactly what we were all clamoring for him to do. He hired an alleged real coach and backed off.

I think Parcells has had the final say in personnel from day 1, especially in the draft.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Jerry did exactly what we were all clamoring for him to do. He hired an alleged real coach and backed off.

I think Parcells has had the final say in personnel from day 1, especially in the draft.

Jerry has final say PERIOD.

Jerry has said it, Bill has Said it.

If Jerry is ok with someone bill wants to bring in than it goes forward.

If Bill wants to bring someone in but Jerry does not, both have said Jerry has final Say.

If Jerry wants to bring in someone and bill does not the tiebreaker is Jerry again.

Now he may go along with what bill says, but make no mistake he always has final say.

[CaptainMorgan]

Jerry has final say PERIOD.

Jerry has said it, Bill has Said it.

If Jerry is ok with someone bill wants to bring in than it goes forward.

If Bill wants to bring someone in but Jerry does not, both have said Jerry has final Say.

If Jerry wants to bring in someone and bill does not the tiebreaker is Jerry again.

Now he may go along with what bill says, but make no mistake he always has final say.

ok I can buy that, but I still think Jerry has backed off alot and has given Parcells the latitude to build the team the way he sees fit.

[burmafrd]

Bp pretty much has what he wanted- but not all of it. I know he wanted a better O line- but things just have not gone his way there. Some bad picks like Rogers and Peterman and some bad luck with FA's like Young and Rivera.

[Maikeru-sama]

I know Zimmer takes alot of ripping on here,but I believe he is running the defense the way Parcells wants it ran.So blame Parcells for that also.

Im one of Zimmer's biggest critics and I am really starting to give some credibility to that statement.

- Mike G.

[AtlCB]

I have to disagree. Vinny was brought in to start. I thought so as soon as he was signed. Quincy was not the answer at QB and Bill thought his old timer could hold the fort while he developed a young guy on the side. He was wrong. That is why Vinny is no longer around. If Vinny was such a great back up, he would have stuck around in Dallas as the back up.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[joseephuss]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

I laughed when they signed Vinny and then cried because I realized what Bill was up to. Quincy was not a great option either, but at least bring someone in who is a decent QB, not an over the hill at best average guy.

[AtlCB]

I laughed when they signed Vinny and then cried because I realized what Bill was up to. Quincy was not a great option either, but at least bring someone in who is a decent QB, not an over the hill at best average guy.I was laughing about your comment that Vinny was brought in to be the starter. Carter was clearly the starter at that time. Vinny was brought in to be the backup quarterback.

[Stautner]

Im one of Zimmer's biggest critics and I am really starting to give some credibility to that statement.

- Mike G.

Just starting ......? Has your head been buried in the sand?

Do you really think Parcells stands there on the sidelines each week thinking to himself how stupid the defensivie game plan is and wishing he had the authority to do something about it?

Just so you know - he DOES have the authority, and he isn't shy about using it.

He isn't a passive uninvolved coach that lets everyone else call the shots - right or wrong he's well known for inisisting things are done the way he wants.

How people ever got the idea that the coordinators were running the show contrary to Parcells wishes is just mind boggling.

[StanleySpadowski]

Just starting ......? Has your head been buried in the sand?

Do you really think Parcells stands there on the sidelines each week thinking to himself how stupid the defensivie game plan is and wishing he had the authority to do something about it?

Just so you know - he DOES have the authority, and he isn't shy about using it.

He isn't a passive uninvolved coach that lets everyone else call the shots - right or wrong he's well known for inisisting things are done the way he wants.

How people ever got the idea that the coordinators were running the show contrary to Parcells wishes is just mind boggling.



The last "right hand man" Parcells trusted with a little freedom betrayed him (at least in Parcells' mind).

We haven't seen him trust anyone since and I doubt we will.

[Maikeru-sama]

Just starting ......? Has your head been buried in the sand?

Do you really think Parcells stands there on the sidelines each week thinking to himself how stupid the defensivie game plan is and wishing he had the authority to do something about it?

Just so you know - he DOES have the authority, and he isn't shy about using it.

He isn't a passive uninvolved coach that lets everyone else call the shots - right or wrong he's well known for inisisting things are done the way he wants.

How people ever got the idea that the coordinators were running the show contrary to Parcells wishes is just mind boggling.


Mike Zimmer is the defensive coordinator. Bill Parcells repeatedly bragged on the guy and 3 years ago Mickey said that Parcells said he liked him because he handled the defense kind of like Bill Belichik did (coaching and motivation). Parcells has shown alot of faith in Mike Zimmer and even kept him around when he switched to a 3-4 Defense.

Sure, everything can be blamed on the the Head Coach, because..well he is the Head Coach, but he has coordinators and assistants who have some autonomy and have to be held accountable as well. Some people say Jerry is totally in charge, some people say Bill Parcells is totally in charge. Who calls the plays on offense is sometimes a mystery. Regardless, none of us attend the meetings or are we on the sidelines. So I can only go by who wears the title of Defensive Coordinator.

Heck, why is Zimmer even apart of the staff if he is just sitting there with no accountability.

Besides, Zimmer got his gig in 2000 (besides 2003 and that defense didnt even cause alot of TOs). Those defenses gave up big plays, predictable, stale and were a read-react type defense.

And guess what the common denominator is....that's right Mike Zimmer.

Im sure you will come back with "Parcells is in charge" but regardless of how things seem, if you dont know what goes on on the sidelines and during meetings, it is impossible for you to know how much control/lack of control Zimmer has.

At the end of the day, all things fall at the feet of Bill Parcells...but I will refuse to give Mike Zimmer a pass and go straight to Bill Parcells.

- Mike G.

[joseephuss]

I was laughing about your comment that Vinny was brought in to be the starter. Carter was clearly the starter at that time. Vinny was brought in to be the backup quarterback.

I know. You may disagree with me, but I always knew that Vinny was brought in to be the starter. Even though officially it was said he was brought in to compete and be the veteran back up. No other team wanted Vinny to compete. They may have settled for him as an emergency back up, but no one other than Bill asked him to come in and compete.

I knew Quincy's days were numbered. I had no problem with replacing Quincy, but to do it with Vinny was crazy.

Sure I sound like a crazy conspiracy theorists, but I was saying the same thing when I found out they were pursuing Vinny. I accept that I sound a little off on this topic. Still not as crazy as a team that actually pursues signing Vinny.

[Chocolate Lab]

Speaking of Vinny being brought in to start (which I don't agree with -- personally I think Parcells was a Quincy fan), what happened to those insider rumors Hos and others had that proved Vinny was going to start all along?

C'mon, Hos, it's been over two years now. Give us the scoop. :)

[Stautner]

Mike Zimmer is the defensive coordinator. Bill Parcells repeatedly bragged on the guy and 3 years ago Mickey said that Parcells said he liked him because he handled the defense kind of like Bill Belichik did (coaching and motivation). Parcells has shown alot of faith in Mike Zimmer and even kept him around when he switched to a 3-4 Defense.

Sure, everything can be blamed on the the Head Coach, because..well he is the Head Coach, but he has coordinators and assistants who have some autonomy and have to be held accountable as well. Some people say Jerry is totally in charge, some people say Bill Parcells is totally in charge. Who calls the plays on offense is sometimes a mystery. Regardless, none of us attend the meetings or are we on the sidelines. So I can only go by who wears the title of Defensive Coordinator.

Heck, why is Zimmer even apart of the staff if he is just sitting there with no accountability.

Besides, Zimmer got his gig in 2000 (besides 2003 and that defense didnt even cause alot of TOs). Those defenses gave up big plays, predictable, stale and were a read-react type defense.

And guess what the common denominator is....that's right Mike Zimmer.

Im sure you will come back with "Parcells is in charge" but regardless of how things seem, if you dont know what goes on on the sidelines and during meetings, it is impossible for you to know how much control/lack of control Zimmer has.

At the end of the day, all things fall at the feet of Bill Parcells...but I will refuse to give Mike Zimmer a pass and go straight to Bill Parcells.

- Mike G.

I never suggested the coordinators have no control. Sure they draw up the game plan and implement it, but it is done according to Parcells guidlines - not independent of Parcells and without his knowledge and blessing.

Truth be known, most coordinators want to be agressive and creative, it's the coach that has to temper the enthusiasm.

The telling thing is this. Remember back to 2003. We had the No. 1 defense in the NFL despite having no pass rush and a number of players who weren't much more than average talents.

We managed that because of an aggressive, all out, blitzing, attacking defense ....... and do you remember who was the defensive coordinator? I'll refresh your memory - it was Zimmer.

The reason Zimmer played it that way was because Parcells knew that the talant he had couldn't succeed any other way - they were too outmanned from a talent standpoint to go toe to toe with opposing offenses. In other words, Parcells turned Zimmer loose and Zimmer did a great job of attacking and somehow adequately covering for the exposed areas in the defense.

Zimmer didn't just suddenly turn soft after the 2003 season - he just coaches in accordance with Bill's wishes.

[Maikeru-sama]

Speaking of Vinny being brought in to start (which I don't agree with -- personally I think Parcells was a Quincy fan), what happened to those insider rumors Hos and others had that proved Vinny was going to start all along?

C'mon, Hos, it's been over two years now. Give us the scoop. :)

That's an intersting theory, the one about Parcells possibly being a Quincy fan.

I wouldnt be surprised if that was the case either. But I do think Vinny was brought in to start.

- Mike G.

[Stautner]

That's an intersting theory, the one about Parcells possibly being a Quincy fan.

I wouldnt be surprised if that was the case either. But I do think Vinny was brought in to start.

- Mike G.

Quincy was a loose cannon and an inconsistent player - I doubt Parcells was a big fan, and the fact that he brought in Vinny as insurance further testifies to that fact.

Qunicy was, however, Jerry Jones boy - his hand picked future of the team, therefore it's unlikely Parcells could have brought Vinny in to start even if he wanted to. But I do believe Parcells fully expected Quincies deficiencies to reach a point where he had to make a move, and that's why he wanted to have Vinny on the sideline. Qunicy's drug and attitude problems just necessitated that the move be made quicker than Parcells would have expected.

[Maikeru-sama]

Quincy was a loose cannon and an inconsistent player - I doubt Parcells was a big fan, and the fact that he brought in Vinny as insurance further testifies to that fact.


Loose cannon, yep. Bu Inconsistent? That has been the one constant of every quarterback Parcells has marched onto the field, including quINTsy.


Qunicy was, however, Jerry Jones boy - his hand picked future of the team, therefore it's unlikely Parcells could have brought Vinny in to start even if he wanted to.


Man, What are you talking about? After the 2002 Season, most people fully expected Quincy Carter to be released...everybody talked about it on the Radio and on TV here in Dallas. Many beat writers, most notably Jennifer Floyd Engel (in 2002) wrote about the AZ game 1 in 2002, where Carter threw 4 Interceptions and basically cussed Jerry Jones out on the sidelines and was eventually benched after that. Wade Wilson, the QB coach then, also spoke about this. Quincy Carter was not the GOLDEN BOY when Bill Parcells arrived on the scene in 2003.


But I do believe Parcells fully expected Quincies deficiencies to reach a point where he had to make a move, and that's why he wanted to have Vinny on the sideline. Qunicy's drug and attitude problems just necessitated that the move be made quicker than Parcells would have expected.

That's your opinion. Not fact..but an opinion.

- Mike G.

[Maikeru-sama]

Article from my old dcz.com site

http://www.michaeldeongreen.com/testing/jfe.htm

- Mike G.