View Full Version : Hunter got toasted...
TheKey
08-30-2004, 10:14 PM
Does this mean we get Law Nors?
D41lasCowboys31
08-30-2004, 10:15 PM
is the topic news to you??? I wouldnt needed to watch to tell you that
Who raises, who folds?
If that is what our secondary will produce, the odds ratcheted up bigtime. That is just my opinion at this point.
Compensation pick as well as Pats S/CB issues factor in. But after that offensive showing I might gander a lets get Law NOW argument gained further steam tonight.
Personally I'm tired of every medium to deep pass being completed on us or flag getting tossed in our grill.
Joe a Cowboys fan
08-30-2004, 10:27 PM
I doubt it. Hunter is geting better and I see no reason to get Law at this point. This was the vanilla defence and it looked pretty good to me. When we start the season I expect even more push by the D attacking. If there is any question of this at the end of the season then Dallas might invest a 1 or a 2nd rounder in a CB but at this point Hunter will be the man.
blindzebra
08-30-2004, 10:29 PM
Hunter got beat on one play and recovered to make the tackle. Mason made a cut that no CB could have stopped.
blindzebra
08-30-2004, 10:32 PM
Who raises, who folds?
If that is what our secondary will produce, the odds ratcheted up bigtime. That is just my opinion at this point.
Compensation pick as well as Pats S/CB issues factor in. But after that offensive showing I might gander a lets get Law NOW argument gained further steam tonight.
Personally I'm tired of every medium to deep pass being completed on us or flag getting tossed in our grill.
Nors, it's pretty bad when you are gleefully rooting against our secondary, just in hopes that your prediction can come true.
Bizwah
08-30-2004, 10:34 PM
Hunter got beat on one play and recovered to make the tackle. Mason made a cut that no CB could have stopped.
Thank you.......
I read that Hunter got toasted, but I don't remember this happening.
The PI call was a bad call.....plain and simple. The ball was uncatchable.
Hunter had a solid game.
Nors, it's pretty bad when you are gleefully rooting against our secondary, just in hopes that your prediction can come true.
CALLING IT LIKE I SAW IT, our secondary was lost out there tonight.
I'm not happy about that. But want accountability. I have you onboard status quo at secondary and we are fine.
jobberone
08-30-2004, 10:39 PM
Hunter got beat on one play and recovered to make the tackle. Mason made a cut that no CB could have stopped.
Hunter played it as well as most NFL CBs.
We are still in trouble.
I don't know what the tape will show but the pass defense left a lot to be desired. I might not know all the Xs and Os but I know a good pass defense when I see it.
I didn't see it.
blindzebra
08-30-2004, 10:39 PM
CALLING IT LIKE I SAW IT, our secondary was lost out there tonight.
I'm not happy about that. But want accountability. I have you onboard status quo at secondary and we are fine.
No you are calling it like you WANT it.
We are fine with Hunter. It's Powell and Thornton who are not ready.
Safety is a concern, until Woody gets back.
Thank you.......
I read that Hunter got toasted, but I don't remember this happening.
The PI call was a bad call.....plain and simple. The ball was uncatchable.
Hunter had a solid game.
Hunter deserves same, he may have been the best of a horrid secondary performance. I Tivo'd and can wincard it tomorrow if I have the time. To call his play solid tonight is not accurate.
Bizwah
08-30-2004, 10:41 PM
CALLING IT LIKE I SAW IT, our secondary was lost out there tonight.
I'm not happy about that. But want accountability. I have you onboard status quo at secondary and we are fine.
I saw two players that looked lost tonight.....
Jameel Powell
and
Tony Dixon
Hunter did not look bad. He gave up one catch for short yardage, and had a bogus PI called on him.
Powell, IMO, is a problem. I think he's blown his chance. I agree something must be done about Dixon.
Hunter was OK.
No you are calling it like you WANT it.
We are fine with Hunter. It's Powell and Thornton who are not ready.
Safety is a concern, until Woody gets back.
We have Hunter who I graded out average at best tonight. The rest sans Jones were freakin lost and abused out there. This is a train wreck in process.
So we have agreed ****ty CB depth and TANGIBLE Safety issues. Lets not upgrade CB.......?
Bill, pull the trigger on the deal. :cool - I say next Tuesday.
Bizwah
08-30-2004, 10:44 PM
Hunter deserves same, he may have been the best of a horrid secondary performance. I Tivo'd and can wincard it tomorrow if I have the time. To call his play solid tonight is not accurate.
Please explain..........
I heard his name called TWICE....
One on the short pass to Mason.....a very good receiver.
The other on the bad PI call.
The fact that his name wasn't called the other times is a good sign.
Do you have the coaches tape? Did you have a camera on him at all times? I think most people on the board calling out Hunter are merely being like sheep.
He had a poor game vs the Texans....mainly with his tackling.......He played well vs the Raiders, and solid tonight.
STSINAZ
08-30-2004, 10:44 PM
HE WAS IN BAD POSITION ALL NIGHT....GO BACK AND LOOK...
Hunter got beat on one play and recovered to make the tackle. Mason made a cut that no CB could have stopped.
Bizwah
08-30-2004, 10:46 PM
We have Hunter who I graded out average at best tonight. The rest sans Jones were freakin lost and abused out there. This is a train wreck in process.
So we have agreed ****ty CB depth and TANGIBLE Safety issues. Lets not upgrade CB.......?
Bill, pull the trigger on the deal. :cool - I say next Tuesday.
So, our whole secondary was abused?
Yeah, Newman sucked......
Bizwah
08-30-2004, 10:47 PM
HE WAS IN BAD POSITION ALL NIGHT....GO BACK AND LOOK...
Where?
Give a specific time.
He was thrown at TWICE!
blindzebra
08-30-2004, 10:51 PM
We have Hunter who I graded out average at best tonight. The rest sans Jones were freakin lost and abused out there. This is a train wreck in process.
So we have agreed ****ty CB depth and TANGIBLE Safety issues. Lets not upgrade CB.......?
Bill, pull the trigger on the deal. :cool - I say next Tuesday.
I guess you missed Woody saying he's pushing for the Viking game.
You also missed that on Powells missed play, Newman was in the slot.
You missed Mitchell tipping a pass on Scott's break up.
Edwards was more than average?
Most of our breakdowns occurred when we had mixed personel in blitzes and 3-4 schemes.
No, I'm not for trading a first for a 30 year old CB, who caused the rule change that is driving everybody crazy, and putting the team in cap trouble by bringing the freakin Poston's to our team.
So, our whole secondary was abused?
Yeah, Newman sucked......
Its a given Tnew is shutdown, our Secondary other that Tnew, Jones was schooled.
I guess you missed Woody saying he's pushing for the Viking game.
You also missed that on Powells missed play, Newman was in the slot.
You missed Mitchell tipping a pass on Scott's break up.
Edwards was more than average?
Most of our breakdowns occurred when we had mixed personel in blitzes and 3-4 schemes.
No, I'm not for trading a first for a 30 year old CB, who caused the rule change that is driving everybody crazy, and putting the team in cap trouble by bringing the freakin Poston's to our team.
Powell was abused all game. Tnew is not the problem. We deployed 3-4 at best 5-10% of the game. 4-3 was abused! Our secondary was at best bad. Keep defending it!
Please explain..........
I heard his name called TWICE....
One on the short pass to Mason.....a very good receiver.
The other on the bad PI call.
The fact that his name wasn't called the other times is a good sign.
Do you have the coaches tape? Did you have a camera on him at all times? I think most people on the board calling out Hunter are merely being like sheep.
He had a poor game vs the Texans....mainly with his tackling.......He played well vs the Raiders, and solid tonight.
Its tivo'd - I'll break it down later when I have time. Not a good game for secondary.
Great game for Vinny and our offense. We may be ONE player away:)
Bizwah
08-30-2004, 11:01 PM
Powell was abused all game. Tnew is not the problem. We deployed 3-4 at best 5-10% of the game. 4-3 was abused! Our secondary was at best bad. Keep defending it!
Powell was abused.....true....Dixon was abused.......true.......
But Hunter was not....Mitchell was not....and Newman was not.
Who will be our top three CBs this year?
Hunter, Mitchell, and Newman....
HE WAS IN BAD POSITION ALL NIGHT....GO BACK AND LOOK...seriously, lose the caps...
Bizwah
08-30-2004, 11:03 PM
Its tivo'd - I'll break it down later when I have time. Not a good game for secondary.
Great game for Vinny and our offense. We may be ONE player away:)
That's fine....
It amazes me though, that without even seeing the game twice...without even seeing the same film that the coaches see...fans can call out a player.
Watch the film all you want....but you won't be able to see everything.
Bottom line........Hunter got beat twice....One was a bogus call, the other was for a minimal gain.
blindzebra
08-30-2004, 11:05 PM
Its tivo'd - I'll break it down later when I have time. Not a good game for secondary.
Great game for Vinny and our offense. We may be ONE player away:)
Yeah, like your man love for Law won't cloud that breakdown. :rolleyes:
chinch
08-30-2004, 11:05 PM
when exactly did "HUNTER GOT TOASTED"?
he played a very solid game and was vicitimized only by a horrible call by the zebras.
TruBlueCowboy
08-30-2004, 11:06 PM
That's fine....
It amazes me though, that without even seeing the game twice...without even seeing the same film that the coaches see...fans can call out a player.
Watch the film all you want....but you won't be able to see everything.
Bottom line........Hunter got beat twice....One was a bogus call, the other was for a minimal gain.
I can already see that Hunter is going to be a bullseye for fan blame this year. Offenses are going to treat Newman like they did Deion and avoid him so Hunter will get a lot of the spotlight. Hopefully Hunter doesn't have as many prolems with the officials as Kevin Smith did. Fans are going to be harsh on Hunter like they were with Mario Edwards everytime he blows man-on-man coverage. I thought that side of the field was pretty darn solid in pass coverage when we had a safety back there tonight and I don't think Hunter had near as many problems as Powell did. I thought Hunter had an okay game and I don't see why so many people are blaming defensive woes on him.
CowboysNumeroUno
08-30-2004, 11:07 PM
I guess you missed Woody saying he's pushing for the Viking game.
You also missed that on Powells missed play, Newman was in the slot.
You missed Mitchell tipping a pass on Scott's break up.
Edwards was more than average?
Most of our breakdowns occurred when we had mixed personel in blitzes and 3-4 schemes.
No, I'm not for trading a first for a 30 year old CB, who caused the rule change that is driving everybody crazy, and putting the team in cap trouble by bringing the freakin Poston's to our team.
When Powell got burnt, I thought it was Hunter in the slot. Are you sure it was Newman?
blindzebra
08-30-2004, 11:13 PM
When Powell got burnt, I thought it was Hunter in the slot. Are you sure it was Newman?
Pretty sure, they had him there a little later in the drive too.
Bizwah
08-30-2004, 11:13 PM
I can already see that Hunter is going to be a bullseye for fan blame this year. Offenses are going to treat Newman like they did Deion and avoid him so Hunter will get a lot of the spotlight. Hopefully Hunter doesn't have as many prolems with the officials as Kevin Smith did. Fans are going to be harsh on Hunter like they were with Mario Edwards everytime he blows man-on-man coverage. I thought that side of the field was pretty darn solid in pass coverage when we had a safety back there tonight and I don't think Hunter had near as many problems as Powell did. I thought Hunter had an okay game and I don't see why so many people are blaming defensive woes on him.
You're right.....
And I think you hit on a great point.
During the season, you can almost count on us rolling coverage to help Hunter until he gains confidence.
We haven't done that yet......we didn't do it tonight from what I saw.
The first game will be tough for sure. I'm fearful of what Moss can do. But I Newman can cover Burleson one-on-one. Hunter will receive help vs Moss.
I think it may work.....not all the time.....
coach316
08-30-2004, 11:20 PM
Hunter played just fine.
The PI call was bogus. #1, it was thrown out of bounds and uncatchable.....#2, it was Mason that initiated contact NOT Hunter.
The play with Mason and his cut was just a phenomenal route by Mason. Michaels even said that Mason made a cut that most WR's in the league can't make......and there isn't one CB in the league that could defend that.
The other catch.....I think it was made on a 3rd down play for a first down, was just a good play scheme by the Titans.....there was a pick route and I think it was Mason (going from memory, can check TiVo) ducking under the pick for a dink pass. Nobody can defend that play.
Powell was in position on both of those long throws to Calico. The dude is 6'4" tall with freakin' orangutan arms. That's like playing five 6' guards against four 6' guards and Wilt Chamberlain under the basket........guess who's gonna win that matchup?
Nors, you can TiVo it all you want as can I....the fact is, you're seeing what you WANT to see. Not what actually happened.
Dallas
08-30-2004, 11:23 PM
Nors, it's pretty bad when you are gleefully rooting against our secondary, just in hopes that your prediction can come true.
I agree BZ. The past few months have been putrid having to see Nors going where no true fan should go. He does seem like he is against Dallas doing anything positive this year or if they could ever make a right decision. It must be nice to KNOW IT ALL.
Regardless. He says he is a fan. Who knows. Who cares. I guess Ill continue to choke down his posts. The are everywhere ya know. :D
The conspiracies kill me. Its like im stuck on a merry go round and Nors is Pennywise the clown and keeps grinning at me as I go round and round. His hand on the record player.
Its pretty spooky.
Joe a Cowboys fan
08-30-2004, 11:54 PM
Dallas fans have always toasted the #2 CB. Having a second great cover corner is a rareity in Dallas. I hope QBs do pick on Hunter because other than McNair and McNab how many other QBs are going to be that accurate against us.
Give him heck Biz.
SuspectCorner
08-31-2004, 12:11 AM
hunter, powell, and dixon generally had good coverage but are so inept in the technique department. they just don't seem to have any idea of where the ball is - much less how to play it. they're a bunch of "chasers".
Maxmadden
08-31-2004, 12:12 AM
I wished we had the cornerback that was covering Keyshawn, he got beat almost 5 plays in one drive. Maybe we could package Powell and Hunter and trade.
Seriously, all cornerbacks give up plays its football.
I saw two players that looked lost tonight.....
Jameel Powell
and
Tony Dixon
Hunter did not look bad. He gave up one catch for short yardage, and had a bogus PI called on him.
Powell, IMO, is a problem. I think he's blown his chance. I agree something must be done about Dixon.
Hunter was OK.
Right on Bizwah...Dixon should be cut, 4 years...I'm done with him...Powell was in position and was beat by a perfect pass...and had a bogus call where the rec. ran into Him !
Saftey is our biggest issue, not corner. I mean we need 2 safteys...One to play alonside Roy in the base "D"...and another for the nickle and dime packages.
Tobal
08-31-2004, 07:12 AM
The real failure is the Dline, no pressure so we have to do that damn sellout blitz. I love aggressive football, but that thing is impossible with the new rules unless youi have two shutdown corners. Even then he's gonna give up some.
31smackdown
08-31-2004, 07:15 AM
I thought Hunter looked fine, although could have looked back for the ball sooner on two deep passes. I think the problem with Powell is that he appears to have short arms, or maybe he's just short....this was one of the few things that used to save Edwards IMO. Mitchell looked good and then looked bad on some plays, maybe still getting his technique down. Thornton didn't look very good at all. On th bright side...I don't even think they threw at Newman and he was playing physical on defense, getting in on some tackles. Dixon was standing right next to the intended receiver and totally lost track of the QB.... Woody was laughing and shaking his head...at least someone thought it was funny. Roy seemed to be playing coverage all night and was only at the line 3 or 4 times it seemed, almost like he was the last line of defense or teams are scheming away from him.
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 07:18 AM
Hunter got beat on one play and recovered to make the tackle. Mason made a cut that no CB could have stopped.
I thought Hunter did OK.
Dixon sucked however.
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 07:19 AM
Nors, it's pretty bad when you are gleefully rooting against our secondary, just in hopes that your prediction can come true.
I don't think Nors is a true fan. :D
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 07:23 AM
I can already see that Hunter is going to be a bullseye for fan blame this year. Offenses are going to treat Newman like they did Deion and avoid him so Hunter will get a lot of the spotlight. Hopefully Hunter doesn't have as many prolems with the officials as Kevin Smith did. Fans are going to be harsh on Hunter like they were with Mario Edwards everytime he blows man-on-man coverage. I thought that side of the field was pretty darn solid in pass coverage when we had a safety back there tonight and I don't think Hunter had near as many problems as Powell did. I thought Hunter had an okay game and I don't see why so many people are blaming defensive woes on him.
It's because Nors has an agenda TBC. It's as simple as that really. He's infatuated with Ty Law... I wish this crush of his would end.
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 07:24 AM
I agree BZ. The past few months have been putrid having to see Nors going where no true fan should go. He does seem like he is against Dallas doing anything positive this year or if they could ever make a right decision. It must be nice to KNOW IT ALL.
Regardless. He says he is a fan. Who knows. Who cares. I guess Ill continue to choke down his posts. The are everywhere ya know. :D
The conspiracies kill me. Its like im stuck on a merry go round and Nors is Pennywise the clown and keeps grinning at me as I go round and round. His hand on the record player.
Its pretty spooky.
Don't you know everything floats where Nors is?
Let's face it, half of our secondary sucks. I'll give you a hint... it's not Roy and Newman.
joseephuss
08-31-2004, 07:40 AM
Not making excuses, but this was in the DC.com article about the game:
Hunter, who said he fought a stomach virus for the last two days, spent part of Monday afternoon in the hospital, hooked up to an IV. And even though he said it was his decision whether to play, the third-year corner said it was never a doubt.
wileedog
08-31-2004, 08:06 AM
Let's face it, half of our secondary sucks. I'll give you a hint... it's not Roy and Newman.
I didn't see Hunter do anything last night I hadn't watched Mario do a hundred times before, including a phantom PI call.
The difference is Hunter still has upside to get better, Mario had already maxed out as average.
We'll be fine once Woody gets back.
Don't you know everything floats where Nors is?
I posted a 10-12 win season expectation.
To not think we have a glaring issue at corner opposite Tnew is flawed.
Did you see the game?
Our offense looked great.
We upgraded the Line, WR's look great. Vinny looked great.
Secondary is an issue - sorry bud.
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 08:24 AM
I posted a 10-12 win season expectation.
To not think we have a glaring issue at corner opposite Tnew is flawed.
Did you see the game?
Our offense looked great.
We upgraded the Line, WR's look great. Vinny looked great.
Secondary is an issue - sorry bud.
Yes, watched the game.
I would say having Dixon at S is a real concern.
I thought Hunter did OK Norsey.
Yes, watched the game.
I would say having Dixon at S is a real concern.
I thought Hunter did OK Norsey.
How did Powell, Thotrnton look? They were terrible all game.
You can't get by with 1 1/2 corners.
Looks like Offense will have to cover for us!
phdefense
08-31-2004, 08:56 AM
This may be old news to everyone, but Hunter was in the hospital all day monday with a stomach virus. So maybe he did ok considering the circumstances.
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 09:02 AM
How did Powell, Thotrnton look? They were terrible all game.
You can't get by with 1 1/2 corners.
Looks like Offense will have to cover for us!
And what did we have last year Nors?
And we made the playoffs... quit being so negative all the time.
BrAinPaiNt
08-31-2004, 09:06 AM
And what did we have last year Nors?
And we made the playoffs... quit being so negative all the time.
Wow...one negative guy telling another not to be negative.
http://freespace.virgin.net/sion.lew/oddball.jpg
What's with the negative vibes man
:p
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 09:14 AM
Wow...one negative guy telling another not to be negative.
http://freespace.virgin.net/sion.lew/oddball.jpg
What's with the negative vibes man
:p
LOL!
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
My method of operation is like when you've gone to a party and the first person that gets drunk is an " " but after that anyone else that gets drunk is OK.
Well I'm just pointing out that Nors is the first drunk just to cover myself. :D
BrAinPaiNt
08-31-2004, 09:20 AM
LOL!
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
My method of operation is like when you've gone to a party and the first person that gets drunk is an " " but after that anyone else that gets drunk is OK.
Well I'm just pointing out that Nors is the first drunk just to cover myself. :D
It's all good....I think you and Nors need each other.
To keep each other entertained. ;)
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 09:21 AM
It's all good....I think you and Nors need each other.
To keep each other entertained. ;)
You know you might have something there... ;)
lovintnew
08-31-2004, 10:10 AM
I really need someone to respond to the fact that Hunter was dehydrated all day yesterday before the game - in the hospital, hooked up to an IV. I'm really interested to know if any of you think that's a valid excuse for the play you saw (and apparently thought was bad) from Pete. There was an awful lot of arguing back and forth on this post, but I never saw a reply to that fact that was mentioned twice somewhere amid the fray...
hockix
08-31-2004, 10:27 AM
I really need someone to respond to the fact that Hunter was dehydrated all day yesterday before the game - in the hospital, hooked up to an IV. I'm really interested to know if any of you think that's a valid excuse for the play you saw (and apparently thought was bad) from Pete. There was an awful lot of arguing back and forth on this post, but I never saw a reply to that fact that was mentioned twice somewhere amid the fray...
Hunter didn't have a bad game.
We should see him improve next week.
But I think we need another CB to cover our ***...
hockix
08-31-2004, 10:28 AM
Hunter didn't have a bad game.
We should see him improve next week.
But I think we need another CB to cover our ***...
What is wrong with a.s.s. here?
aikemirv
08-31-2004, 10:39 AM
I may be wrong, but I think what we are seeing in the preseason, we will not be seeing in the regular season, that is, we are seeing Powell and Hunter within 3 to 4 yards of the receiver at the snap of the ball trying to play bump and run.
I think this is a test by Zimmer and BP to see if we can play that type of D with either of them. If we can, that is great, if we can't then they will be playing off the receiver, much like Mario did last year to prevent the long ball. And a lot of safety help.
Next_years_Champs
08-31-2004, 10:51 AM
That's fine....
It amazes me though, that without even seeing the game twice...without even seeing the same film that the coaches see...fans can call out a player.
Watch the film all you want....but you won't be able to see everything.
Bottom line........Hunter got beat twice....One was a bogus call, the other was for a minimal gain.
Not to mention all this was against the highest rated passing QB in the entire NFL last year. I think Steve McNair is going to complete some passes on everyteam in the NFL no mater who it is.
CowboyManDan
08-31-2004, 12:21 PM
Did anyone else know this:
- Pete Hunter spent parts of Monday afternoon in the hospital hooked up to an IV, battling a stomach virus for the last two days. That didn't stop the third-year cornerback from starting the game. Hunter, who is competing for the starting job with Jemeel Powell and Bruce Thornton, said not playing was never an option. Hunter made it through the game and expects to play Thursday against the Chiefs. (Source: http://www.dallascowboys.com/news_camp_notes.cfm?id=B3665241-E698-C0C6-1BB25F944548DD01)
LaTunaNostra
08-31-2004, 01:05 PM
Did anyone else know this:
- Pete Hunter spent parts of Monday afternoon in the hospital hooked up to an IV, battling a stomach virus for the last two days. That didn't stop the third-year cornerback from starting the game. Hunter, who is competing for the starting job with Jemeel Powell and Bruce Thornton, said not playing was never an option. Hunter made it through the game and expects to play Thursday against the Chiefs. (Source: http://www.dallascowboys.com/news_camp_notes.cfm?id=B3665241-E698-C0C6-1BB25F944548DD01)
If that's Pete's excuse, then the only one will fly for Powell is he spent yesterday afternoon in IC on life support.
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 01:37 PM
If that's Pete's excuse, then the only one will fly for Powell is he spent yesterday afternoon in IC on life support.
Ouch Barb!
You just get meaner and meaner as we get closer to opening day.
I think we're going to need a forum here just for you. ;)
LaTunaNostra
08-31-2004, 01:59 PM
Ouch Barb!
You just get meaner and meaner as we get closer to opening day.
I think we're going to need a forum here just for you. ;)
I've got to get all my meanness out now, Mike.
During the season I won't trash the players at all, even when they deserve it. ;)
MichaelWinicki
08-31-2004, 02:00 PM
I've got to get all my meanness out now, Mike.
During the season I won't trash the players at all, even when they deserve it. ;)
So I guess we've got a few days left in this cycle eh?
LaTunaNostra
08-31-2004, 02:12 PM
So I guess we've got a few days left in this cycle eh?
Yup. As of Sept 12, I'll be reserving my venom for the competition.
And for whomever runs our players down. :D
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