So, Any Tweeners Rated in the First Round?

[theogt]

LB in the first round it is.

:shootme:

[canters]

I was thinking the same thing. If we stay in the 3-4 as I am sure we will, we still need a pass rusher to help Ware..maybe Carp will be the man.

I would like us to address the OL with 2 of the first 3 picks. If we can pencil in Carp as a pass rushing OLB, then we will be sitting pretty.

[Big Dakota]

http://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/mtt/number_button-93.gif Gaines Adamshttp://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/clem/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/231515.jpeghttp://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/mtt/profile.gif http://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/mtt/arrow.gifClass:
RS Senior
http://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/mtt/arrow.gifHometown:
Greenwood, SC
http://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/mtt/arrow.gifHigh School:
Fork Union Prep School/Cambridge Academy
http://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/mtt/arrow.gifHeight / Weight:
6-5 / 260
http://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/mtt/arrow.gifPosition:
DE
http://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/mtt/arrow.gifExperience:
3VL
http://graphics.fansonly.com/graphics/mtt/arrow.gifMajor:
Sport Management


Adams Fact: Tied for 15th in Clemson history in sacks (15.5); he needs 13 to break Michael Dean Perry's 19-year old Tiger career record.
Years Lettered: 2003,04,05
Years Starter: 2005
Bowl Participation: Reserve defensive end in the 2004 Peach Bowl against #6 Tennessee; starting defensive end in the 2005 Champs Sports Bowl against Colorado.
Fall 2006 Depth Chart Position: First-team bandit end Overview: One of the top defensive players in the nation entering the 2006 season...rejuvenated the tradition of the Bandit end last year with an outstanding junior year; the term had been used in the 1980s, including Clemson's National Championship team of 1981 when Andy Headen starred at the position and even knocked down a pass downfield on the last play of Clemson's victory over Nebraska in the Orange Bowl...listed as the second-best, draft-eligible player in the nation regardless of position by ESPN's Mel Kiper; ranked #2 on his "Big Board"...first-team preseason All-American according to Playboy, Lindy's, and Phil Steele...Clemson's first Playboy All-American since Robert Carswell (2000)...ranked as the #2 defensive end in the nation by Lindy's and Phil Steele...named to the preseason watch list for the Ted Hendricks Award, Bednarik Award, and Bronko Nagurski Award...preseason All-America candidate by Football Writers Association...ranked as the #6 NFL prospect for the 2007 draft by Lindy's and #7-most likely player to win the Bronko Nagurski Award by Lindy's...preseason ACC Defensive Player-of-the-Year by Lindy's...#9 defensive end in the nation by Sporting News...ranked as ACC's #3 NFL prospect by Lindy's...preseason first-team All-ACC by Athlon, Lindy's, Sporting News, USA Today, and Phil Steele...considered turning pro after his junior year, but decided to return for his senior year...top returnee in the ACC in terms of sacks; he had 9.5 in 2005...active player who can deflect a pass at the line of scrimmage or downfield...for his career, he is a veteran of 35 games; he has missed just one game in three years...has made steady progress each year he has been at Clemson, as he has gone from 15 to 35 to 56 tackles in his three years...his 15.5 career sacks and 27 career tackles for loss are among the top-20 totals in Clemson history...has 14.5 sacks over the last two years, more than any other active Tiger...has had at least one tackle for loss in 15 of his last 23 games...has more career quarterback pressures (41) than any other Tiger, as 29 of them took place in 2005, a school record for one year...has 15 career pass breakups, among the top figures in Clemson history for a defensive lineman...has a 345-pound lift in the power clean that is fourth best on the team...has a 380-pound lift in the hang clean that is sixth-best on the team...no relation to former Clemson All-American and current Carolina Panther Keith Adams.

[Hostile]

LB in the first round it is.

:shootme:By season's end we won't be looking LB in round 1, but if we are I'd love to get Paul Posluzny of Penn State. Oh man what a player.

[Big Dakota]

Quentin Moses http://www.draftshowcase.com/quentinmoses.jpgVitals:
Position: DEFENSIVE END
School: Georgia
Year: Senior
Height: 6'5
Weight: 248
Forty: n/a

NFL COMPARISONJevon Kearse, Eagles
Both players are tall, long-armed pass rushers who rely on speed and quickness rather than brute strength. However, both are undersized and struggle to anchor against the run. http://www.draftshowcase.com/quentinmoses2.jpgSCOUTING REPORT http://www.draftshowcase.com/check.jpgQUICKNESS: First and foremost in Moses' repitoire is his explosion off the ball. He may have the quickest first step of any pass rusher in college football. He also has very quick and agile feet, he can change directions well and redirect himself. http://www.draftshowcase.com/check.jpgPASS RUSH: As evidenced by his 11 1/2 sacks as a junior, Moses can really get to the quarterback. He has a number of different pass rush moves including a quick spin move and straight up speed rush to get to the passer. He also displays good closing speed and aggressiveness in chasing down QBs. http://www.draftshowcase.com/check.jpgATHLETICISM/UPSIDE: A former basketball player as well, Moses is athletic and has long arms to be able to get up into passing lanes. He has the frame to add more weight and not lose his athleticism and quickness, so his upside is great. He has good, but not great straight line speed but his other qualities make up for it. http://www.draftshowcase.com/question.jpgSTRENGTH/BULK: Moses is built long and wiry right now. For him to be able to anchor against the run and develop a stronger bull rush, he'll need to add more strength and size. He'll have to get his playing weight up around 270 in the NFL. http://www.draftshowcase.com/question.jpgPLAYING THE RUN : Part of it is being undersized, but the other part of Moses' troubles against the run is that he plays high and doesn't win leverage battles which compounds the fact that he is usually facing tackles that are bigger and stronger than him. OVERALL PROJECTIONHe brings something every team can use, heat on the Quarterback. He'll need to put in some work before he is a complete defensive end prospect, but he's well on his way and he has tons of potential.
CURRENT PROJECTION: High-mid 1st Round

[SALADIN]

LB in the first round it is.

:shootme:

Both Gaines Adams, 6-5, 250 (Clemson) and Quentin Moses, 6-5, 250 (Georgia), who are DE's look athletic enough to rush standing up or put their hand on the ground. But both are project to go at the top part of the 1st.

A second day sleeper would be Martin Jackson (6-4, 250) from Alcorn State.

[SALADIN]

Damn! You beat me to both of them Big Dakota ;)

[theogt]

By season's end we won't be looking LB in round 1, but if we are I'd love to get Paul Posluzny of Penn State. Oh man what a player.What makes you say that (no LB in round 1)?

[MichaelWinicki]

What makes you say that (no LB in round 1)?

Because it's not going to happen.

Carpenter was drafted to play outside and outside he will be.

[StanleySpadowski]

By season's end we won't be looking LB in round 1, but if we are I'd love to get Paul Posluzny of Penn State. Oh man what a player.



He's been a step slow this season but that's understandable given the severity of his knee injury in the Orange Bowl.

The Penn State LB that Dallas will probably look at though will be Tim Shaw. A MLB in the past, he's playing DE this year.

[theogt]

Because it's not going to happen.

Carpenter was drafted to play outside and outside he will be.If he clearly beats out Burnett and Singleton, that'd be nice. I haven't seen Carp play outside in the NFL, be it regular season or preseason, so I couldn't make a prediction one way or the other. Personally I'd like to have another Ellis sized player out there. I will predict, however, that Parcells sticks around another year, which means LB in the first round.

[smarta5150]

Not to get too far off topic... but you guys think we are pretty much gopnna go BPA in the 1st round? Maybe LB, OL, WR?

[skinsngibbs4life]

Quentin Moses is a beast. If you all are really looking for a DE to convert, he is probably your guy.

I thought Gaines Adams was a little bit bigger than you listed. I thought he was listed at 260 instead of 250. a lot of skins fans want us to look at him with out first pick. I think he would be more of a challenge trying to switch to LB than moses.

just my thoughts though

[skinsngibbs4life]

By season's end we won't be looking LB in round 1, but if we are I'd love to get Paul Posluzny of Penn State. Oh man what a player.

Another LB that I love is Buster Davis. Now, he is WAY to small to go to you all(5-10 240), but this guy is a rock. He is one of my favorite players to watch. It seems like he is always in on plays. But like I said, way off your radar cause of size

[tomson75]

He's been a step slow this season but that's understandable given the severity of his knee injury in the Orange Bowl.

The Penn State LB that Dallas will probably look at though will be Tim Shaw. A MLB in the past, he's playing DE this year.

Shaw's definitely a player, but I don't see Bill looking that way solely due to his height. At 6'1" and 237, he's a stretch to play in the 3-4.

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Brian Smith of Missouri is a nice tweener. Not first round though.

[theogt]

Quentin Moses is a beast. If you all are really looking for a DE to convert, he is probably your guy.

I thought Gaines Adams was a little bit bigger than you listed. I thought he was listed at 260 instead of 250. a lot of skins fans want us to look at him with out first pick. I think he would be more of a challenge trying to switch to LB than moses.

just my thoughts thoughhttp://www.soaringpanda.com/gelblog/archives/orly.jpeg

[tomson75]

Not to get too far off topic... but you guys think we are pretty much gopnna go BPA in the 1st round? Maybe LB, OL, WR?

I think we're definitely going BPA.

[Hostile]

What makes you say that (no LB in round 1)?Because Burnett and/or Carpenter should step up with this opportunity and plug the gap. This is the brass ring and they are very talented players.

The off season focus of round 1 will be on the OL and WR.

[theogt]

Because Burnett and/or Carpenter should step up with this opportunity and plug the gap. This is the brass ring and they are very talented players.

The off season focus of round 1 will be on the OL and WR.I sure hope you're right.

[Hostile]

I sure hope you're right.About LB stepping up or OL/WR being the round 1 focus?

[theogt]

About LB stepping up or OL/WR being the round 1 focus?Both really. I'd love to see us get a top flight WR. I don't see Glenn around much longer. TO is a toss up. Austin, Hurd, and Crayton all have the potential to be very solid #2/3 receivers. I want a first round potential pro-bowl receiver.

[smarta5150]

I think we're definitely going BPA.

I must say, its a pretty good feeling if we can all agree on drafting BPA. Obviously it means we arent in dire need of any position. Shows we have all around strength and depth at virturally every position.

[Hostile]

Both really. I'd love to see us get a top flight WR. I don't see Glenn around much longer. TO is a toss up. Austin, Hurd, and Crayton all have the potential to be very solid #2/3 receivers. I want a first round potential pro-bowl receiver.I'd love to see us get a FS or CB stud, but I think Offense is the focus. I think we can survive with this offense but the defense has to be fixed. JMO.

Laron Landry, FS from LSU is my main hope.

[tomson75]

Laron Landry, FS from LSU is my main hope.

I'm throwing a party if we get Landry. Seriously, how sexy would that be...

Williams and Landry = fixed secondary

[smarta5150]

I'd love to see us get a FS or CB stud, but I think Offense is the focus. I think we can survive with this offense but the defense has to be fixed. JMO.

Laron Landry, FS from LSU is my main hope.

Anyone have some film or highlights for Landry. His name is getting thrown around a lot but I dont get to watch him on Saturdays. I am still a Watkins guy for now until he proves he is consistently bad.

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd love to see us get a FS or CB stud, but I think Offense is the focus. I think we can survive with this offense but the defense has to be fixed. JMO.

Laron Landry, FS from LSU is my main hope.

I'm thinking offense also in round 1...

Or a trade down.

No way can I see another OLB/Tweener in round 1.

No way... not after drafting Carpenter.

AND we're much thinner at NT than we are at OLB.

[theogt]

I'd love to see us get a FS or CB stud, but I think Offense is the focus. I think we can survive with this offense but the defense has to be fixed. JMO.

Laron Landry, FS from LSU is my main hope.Isn't he rated as a top 10 pick? I know he was last year, but decided not to come out. As for CB, I can definitely see that. Henry hasn't exactly performed to expectations this year. It may just be nitpicking but it seems he is constantly getting beat both by speed and by simple route-running. Unless there's some other glaring hole that shows up between now and April (assuming Carp/Burnett step up), it does look like it will be BPA.

[MichaelWinicki]

Anyone have some film or highlights for Landry. His name is getting thrown around a lot but I dont get to watch him on Saturdays. I am still a Watkins guy for now until he proves he is consistently bad.

I would be willing to bet that Watkins is the long term answer.


Scratch FS off of the list for our 1st round draft pick come next April.

[IndianaCowboyFan]

I don't know if he would be classified as a "tweener" but I like Anthony Spencer DE from Purdue.

[theogt]

I'm thinking offense also in round 1...

Or a trade down.

No way can I see another OLB/Tweener in round 1.

No way... not after drafting Carpenter.

AND we're much thinner at NT than we are at OLB.I really don't see NT in the first round. Those guys are a dime a dozen in day 2. We drafted Carpenter as a LOLB and he may turn out to be one, but color me skeptical.

[CATCH17]

Any of you guys seen Jarvis Moss from Florida? Hes a tweener and looks pretty darn good.

Also if you want an amazing Free Safety Reggie Nelson from Florida is your guy.

Personally I think hes better than Landry or anyone else.

[smarta5150]

I would be willing to bet that Watkins is the long term answer.


Scratch FS off of the list for our 1st round draft pick come next April.

I hope you are right. I was all for keeping Watkins in this year. Benching him seemed pretty pre-mature IMO, espically since he is back out there already. What could he learn in the 2 or 3 weeks? He had a lot of time to sit there and think about how he messed up... I'd rather call him out, play him, and let him prove himself w. a chip on his shoulder.

I know you can do it 2 5.

[smarta5150]

I really don't see NT in the first round. Those guys are a dime a dozen in day 2. We drafted Carpenter as a LOLB and he may turn out to be one, but color me skeptical.

Branch from UM could be a guy teams go after in the 1st. Satruday might get him a lot more attention depending on his performance against OSU.

[Hostile]

I'm throwing a party if we get Landry. Seriously, how sexy would that be...

Williams and Landry = fixed secondaryYou aren't kidding. If the front 7 could get pressure those guys and Newman could handle business. I think faith would be restored in AH as well.

[Hostile]

Anyone have some film or highlights for Landry. His name is getting thrown around a lot but I dont get to watch him on Saturdays. I am still a Watkins guy for now until he proves he is consistently bad.This is his High School Highlights, but you will see why. He has gotten better every year since this stuff.

Laron (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=laron+landry&search=Search)

[CATCH17]

I'd take Reggie Nelson from Florida over Landry.

Nelson is a freak.

[Hostile]

Isn't he rated as a top 10 pick? I know he was last year, but decided not to come out. As for CB, I can definitely see that. Henry hasn't exactly performed to expectations this year. It may just be nitpicking but it seems he is constantly getting beat both by speed and by simple route-running. Unless there's some other glaring hole that shows up between now and April (assuming Carp/Burnett step up), it does look like it will be BPA.He'll drop once Juniors declare. Last I saw he was 9. Peterson and Calvin Johnson for example.

Safeties always drop.

[smarta5150]

This is his High School Highlights, but you will see why. He has gotten better every year since this stuff.

Laron (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=laron+landry&search=Search)

Man this tape must be dusty. lol I will check him out.

I covered Dwayne Jarret in HS and I wasnt too good so I dont know how much this tape will show ; )

[theogt]

This is his High School Highlights, but you will see why. He has gotten better every year since this stuff.

Laron (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=laron+landry&search=Search)Why on earth does that team get down into a 3 point stance on kickoffs?

Edit: Wow, there's some crazy plays in that clip. Gotta love high school football.

[Hostile]

Any of you guys seen Jarvis Moss from Florida? Hes a tweener and looks pretty darn good.

Also if you want an amazing Free Safety Reggie Nelson from Florida is your guy.

Personally I think hes better than Landry or anyone else.I like Merriweather of Miami and Griffin of Texas as well.

I think Laron Landry is better than all of them.

[smarta5150]

Why on earth does that team get down into a 3 point stance on kickoffs?

Duh! So they can come off hard and low and hit the front line men who are gonna be 20 yards away... wait a second. I dont know.

[CATCH17]

All I know is the best prospect i've ever seen at safety is at Miami and its not Merriweather.

Kenny Phillips when its said and done might be the best safety to ever play the game.

He was the Defensive player of the year in Highschool. Not his state but the nation.

Then he stepped on the field at Miami and beat out a very good safety and made All American as a Freshmen.

Hes only a true sophomore so watch out for this kid.

His coaches say he is the best safety prospect they've ever coached.

Hes like a mix of Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.

[SALADIN]

I'd love to see us get a FS or CB stud, but I think Offense is the focus. I think we can survive with this offense but the defense has to be fixed. JMO.

Laron Landry, FS from LSU is my main hope.

Alright Hos, let's see what you know.

Who is the 2nd best CB in the Pac-10? Here's a hint, he plays on your favorite college team. ;)

[smarta5150]

All I know is the best prospect i've ever seen at safety is at Miami and its not Merriweather.

Kenny Phillips when its said and done might be the best safety to ever play the game.

He was the Defensive player of the year in Highschool. Not his state but the nation.

Then he stepped on the field at Miami and beat out a very good safety and made All American as a Freshmen.

Hes only a true sophomore so watch out for this kid.

His coaches say he is the best safety prospect they've ever coached.

Hes like a mix of Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.

I hope he isnt too much like Sean Taylor... I hate seeing talent end up in prison.

[Hostile]

All I know is the best prospect i've ever seen at safety is at Miami and its not Merriweather.

Kenny Phillips when its said and done might be the best safety to ever play the game.

He was the Defensive player of the year in Highschool. Not his state but the nation.

Then he stepped on the field at Miami and beat out a very good safety and made All American as a Freshmen.

Hes only a true sophomore so watch out for this kid.

His coaches say he is the best safety prospect they've ever coached.

Hes like a mix of Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.I like Phillips a lot.

Laron is a true FS and would help us immensely.

[Hostile]

Alright Hos, let's see what you know.

Who is the 2nd best CB in the Pac-10? Here's a hint, he plays on your favorite college team. ;)Ah c'mon man, Daymeion Hughes isn't number 1. My boy Antoine Cason is. Did you see that TD? He read that and held the ball up with 35 yeards still to go. He knew no one was catching him from behind.

Hughes has a lot of picks but no one throws it at Antoine.

[CATCH17]

I like Phillips a lot.

Laron is a true FS and would help us immensely.


Yeah Kenny does play the strong but he can play it like a free.

Either way Pat Watkins is super talented as well.

He gets himself in a position to be successfull but at some point you got to stick your hand up and knock a ball down.

Hes shown me he can cover but now hes got to show me he can make a play on the ball.

Every TD scored on him he was in position to make a play.

[Natedawg44]

Woodley from Michigan
Birdine from Oklahoma
Crowder from Texas
Not first rounders but interesting none the less

[CATCH17]

Woodley from Michigan
Birdine from Oklahoma
Crowder from Texas
Not first rounders but interesting none the less

Birdine is so overrated its not funny.

I like Crowder though. He could probably play that position that Ellis does.


Lets just hope Carpenter lives up to the hype.

[SALADIN]

Ah c'mon man, Daymeion Hughes isn't number 1. My boy Antoine Cason is. Did you see that TD? He read that and held the ball up with 35 yeards still to go. He knew no one was catching him from behind.

Hughes has a lot of picks but no one throws it at Antoine.

And a great play it was. It's gonna be a close call come draft day. Cason did pretty good against Dwayne Jarrett (4 - 36yrds - 1 TD) but I tell you what, after Hughes shuts Jarrett down this Sat. I'll buy the crow and you can eat it. :D

Truth be told, I'd be happy with either.

[Bob Sacamano]

Moses and Gaines are looking to be top 15 picks, I doubt we have a shot at them

[CATCH17]

As good as Dewayne Jarret is I like Steve Smith better.

I've watched them both for 3 years now and I think Smith has really took that next step.

[Hostile]

And a great play it was. It's gonna be a close call come draft day. Cason did pretty good against Dwayne Jarrett (4 - 36yrds - 1 TD) but I tell you what, after Hughes shuts Jarrett down this Sat. I'll buy the crow and you can eat it. :D

Truth be told, I'd be happy with either.I do think Cason will declare for the Draft. He's a Junior so he could come back if he thinks the Cats are on the verge finally. I just think he hears the call.

I like Hughes height and man can he smother a WR.

If Cason declares, I think he'll go top 10. You can't go wrong with either kid.

[Bob Sacamano]

Because Burnett and/or Carpenter should step up with this opportunity and plug the gap. This is the brass ring and they are very talented players.

The off season focus of round 1 will be on the OL and WR.

I think 1st round is going to be BPA

Bill and Jerry don't like to take OTs in the 1st round, and IMO, that's the only position on the Oline worth a 1st, not to mention McQ is looking like BIll's pet project at LT, and BIll doesn't like to take WRs in the 1st either

whoever is the best player on the board, minus K, QB, FB, TE, RB, S is who we're going to take, IMO

[Hostile]

I think 1st round is going to be BPA

Bill and Jerry don't like to take OTs in the 1st round, and IMO, that's the only position on the Oline worth a 1st, not to mention McQ is looking like BIll's pet project at LT, and BIll doesn't like to take WRs in the 1st either

whoever is the best player on the board, minus K, QB, FB, TE, RB, S is who we're going to take, IMOPeople tell me BPA every year. And every year I say how the Cowboys will focus their draft. And every year they focus their draft.

[Bob Sacamano]

People tell me BPA every year. And every year I say how the Cowboys will focus their draft. And every year they focus their draft.

we'll see, we have alot less needs than we did then

[Hostile]

we'll see, we have alot less needs than we did thenHardly a reason not to have a focused plan.

[Bob Sacamano]

Hardly a reason not to have a focused plan.

true, but there's having a focused plan, and then there's

this draft is crazy, look who all these teams passed on

[TwoSteppinJJ]

If you're looking for a good FS/CB tweener well than DaShon Goldson of Washington is your man. And you can get him in the middle rounds of the draft as high as 3rd as low as 6th in my opinion. Great sleeper pick if you ask me...

[theogt]

People tell me BPA every year. And every year I say how the Cowboys will focus their draft. And every year they focus their draft.Not every year. When we were getting top 10 picks, though it was pretty easy to see where the chips would fall. The last two years were obvious because we had huge needs at OLBs. Lots of teams do BPA. Obviously there will be some focus. We won't be drafting a C, NT, ROLB, QB, SS, RB, etc. with the first round pick, for instance.

[Hostile]

Not every year. When we were getting top 10 picks, though it was pretty easy to see where the chips would fall. The last two years were obvious because we had huge needs at OLBs. Lots of teams do BPA. Obviously there will be some focus. We won't be drafting a C, NT, ROLB, QB, SS, RB, etc. with the first round pick, for instance.Unless a stud drops, I'd say you are right. For instance if Adrian Peterson inexplicably fell...all bets might be off.

I get what you are saying and good point.

[Bob Sacamano]

Unless a stud drops, I'd say you are right. For instance if Adrian Peterson inexplicably fell...all bets might be off.

I get what you are saying and good point.

dude, that's practically what I'm saying :mad:

[Hostile]

dude, that's practically what I'm saying :mad:I don't think that's the same as BPA at all.

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think that's the same as BPA at all.

we both have the same positions scratched off

[theogt]

Side Note. Tony Romo seems to have fixed 2 glaring holes that needed to be fixed with #1/2 draft picks: QB and OT.

I couldn't let this thread get by without a Romo post.

[Bob Sacamano]

Side Note. Tony Romo seems to have fixed 2 glaring holes that needed to be fixed with #1/2 draft picks: QB and OT.

I couldn't let this thread get by without a Romo post.

even w/o ROmo doing this well, I don't think OT was going to be a 1st round priority

never has, never will be

and besides, BP is high on both Columbo and McQ

[TwoSteppinJJ]

yay Romozilla...

[MichaelWinicki]

I just wouldn't be in a hurry to toss either Watkins or Carpenter under the bus at this point and I don't think the Cowboys will-- thusly I think you can scratch FS and OLB off of the draft list for the 1st round also.

[Bob Sacamano]

I just wouldn't be in a hurry to toss either Watkins or Carpenter under the bus at this point and I don't think the Cowboys will-- thusly I think you can scratch FS and OLB off of the draft list for the 1st round also.

I think so too, that's why I'm saying I think we're going BPA this year

we might even trade out of the 1st round

[MichaelWinicki]

even w/o ROmo doing this well, I don't think OT was going to be a 1st round priority

never has, never will be

and besides, BP is high on both Columbo and McQ

I agree.

I don't think it is either.

Guard could be a potential one IF Rivera retires and Center could be one if we don't resign Gurode.

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree.

I don't think it is either.

Guard could be a potential one IF Rivera retires and Center could be one if we don't resign Gurode.

I don't see us going those 2 even if those 2 things were to happen

unless that OG or C is very good

[MichaelWinicki]

I think so too, that's why I'm saying I think we're going BPA this year

we might even trade out of the 1st round


I suggested that earlier in this thread. I could easily see a trade-out.

[theogt]

I just wouldn't be in a hurry to toss either Watkins or Carpenter under the bus at this point and I don't think the Cowboys will-- thusly I think you can scratch FS and OLB off of the draft list for the 1st round also.I wouldn't be in a hurry to grant them the starting spot for next year either.

[Bob Sacamano]

I suggested that earlier in this thread. I could easily see a trade-out.

me and Winicki

on the same page

:eek:

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't see us going those 2 even if those 2 things were to happen

unless that OG or C is very good

I wouldn't either unless that OG or C were legit 1st round talents...

"No reaching".

[Dat Dude]

By season's end we won't be looking LB in round 1, but if we are I'd love to get Paul Posluzny of Penn State. Oh man what a player.


Puz is a poor mans AJ Hawk.. without the 4.4 speed... SO a 6'1 230 lb Mike or Jack? 2 small...

[SALADIN]

we might even trade out of the 1st round

:puke:

Let's hope that the draft doesn't turn out to be that weak.

[Dat Dude]

Because it's not going to happen.

Carpenter was drafted to play outside and outside he will be.


Wrong .. He was drafted in moldof Vrabel... BP was hoping he would have that versatility to play anywhere like Mike does... His potential versatility is what he hoped for...

[Bob Sacamano]

:puke:

Let's hope that the draft doesn't turn out to be that weak.

if we draft 22 and below

there's not much seperation there, from a 2nd round pick, so to move into the high 2nd round, and pick up a couple more picks

hell, I'm all for it

[Bob Sacamano]

"No reaching".

:hammer: that's my motto

[Hostile]

I just wouldn't be in a hurry to toss either Watkins or Carpenter under the bus at this point and I don't think the Cowboys will-- thusly I think you can scratch FS and OLB off of the draft list for the 1st round also.I like Watkins, but I'd so much rather have Landry. I think carpenter will cause a shoe leather diet by season's end.

[MichaelWinicki]

I guess I just don't understand the mad rush to want to dump our 1st round draft pick this year by drafting another LB next year in the 1st round.

You hear that flushing sound? That would be the sound of flushing Carpenter's career down the drain all because of the "grass is greener" syndrome.

[Dat Dude]

Another LB that I love is Buster Davis. Now, he is WAY to small to go to you all(5-10 240), but this guy is a rock. He is one of my favorite players to watch. It seems like he is always in on plays. But like I said, way off your radar cause of size


I do too.. He is only bright spot at FSU besides Myron Rolle.. ( well in a couple of years anyway) Hed be a top pick if he was 6'3.. Hed probably weigh 270 if he as 6'3. He is a human torpedo...

[MichaelWinicki]

Wrong .. He was drafted in moldof Vrabel... BP was hoping he would have that versatility to play anywhere like Mike does... His potential versatility is what he hoped for...


HUH?

Where did you get that from?

No one knew that Ellis would turn out like he did at OLB.

The team was set to let Carpenter compete with Als for that spot.

[theogt]

I guess I just don't understand the mad rush to want to dump our 1st round draft pick this year by drafting another LB next year in the 1st round.

You hear that flushing sound? That would be the sound of flushing Carpenter's career down the drain all because of the "grass is greener" syndrome.He seems better suited for ILB to me.

[theogt]

HUH?

Where did you get that from?

No one knew that Ellis would turn out like he did at OLB.

The team was set to let Carpenter compete with Als for that spot.Well, Bill's comment today that he likes his outside guys to be a little taller (than Carpenter) seems to indicate he wasn't exactly drafting him to fill the LOLB role.

[Dat Dude]

Both really. I'd love to see us get a top flight WR. I don't see Glenn around much longer. TO is a toss up. Austin, Hurd, and Crayton all have the potential to be very solid #2/3 receivers. I want a first round potential pro-bowl receiver.

Crayton is like 28.. Too old to be hitting his solid #2 prime... Austin and Hurd who knows.... Give me Teddy Ginn, Dwayne Jarret or Calvin Johnson:pray2:

[MichaelWinicki]

He seems better suited for ILB to me.


That's one person's opinion...

[Bob Sacamano]

Well, Bill's comment today that he likes his outside guys to be a little taller (than Carpenter) seems to indicate he wasn't exactly drafting him to fill the LOLB role.

he wasn't moved to ILB until Ellis adapted to his role at OLB

[Dat Dude]

I'd take Reggie Nelson from Florida over Landry.

Nelson is a freak.

This dude is a stud... Check him out...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6852037530229934251&q=vince+shuff&hl=en

[MichaelWinicki]

Well, Bill's comment today that he likes his outside guys to be a little taller (than Carpenter) seems to indicate he wasn't exactly drafting him to fill the LOLB role.

Just because he "likes" them like that doesn't mean they have to be taller.

I'd like to be dating Selma Hayek...

[theogt]

That's one person's opinion...And most other scouts. Bill even hinted at this in a press conference earlier in the year.

he wasn't moved to ILB until Ellis adapted to his role at OLBI get the feeling Bill knew Greg was going to make the move (and succeed) before the rest of us did.

[MichaelWinicki]

he wasn't moved to ILB until Ellis adapted to his role at OLB

Some of these folks like revisionist history.

[Bob Sacamano]

I get the feeling Bill knew Greg was going to make the move (and succeed) before the rest of us did.

true, but that still doesn't explain why Carp was set to be competing at his spot

[theogt]

Just because he "likes" them like that doesn't mean they have to be taller.

I'd like to be dating Selma Hayek...If you could draft Selma in round 1 next year, I'd bet you would (wife/girlfriend/other notwithstanding).

[Dat Dude]

All I know is the best prospect i've ever seen at safety is at Miami and its not Merriweather.

Kenny Phillips when its said and done might be the best safety to ever play the game.

He was the Defensive player of the year in Highschool. Not his state but the nation.

Then he stepped on the field at Miami and beat out a very good safety and made All American as a Freshmen.

Hes only a true sophomore so watch out for this kid.

His coaches say he is the best safety prospect they've ever coached.

Hes like a mix of Ed Reed and Sean Taylor.


He is the real deal... Taller than Reed with same nose for ball. Doesnt hit like Taylor but then again I didnt see greg jones run him over....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NiwGp1TM5k

[MichaelWinicki]

And most other scouts. Bill even hinted at this in a press conference earlier in the year.
I'd like to see this "list". Virtually all the draft guides I looked at projected Carpenter to the outside and several thought he was the best "3-4 SSOLB" available.


I get the feeling Bill knew Greg was going to make the move (and succeed) before the rest of us did

That is a massive assumption.

[theogt]

true, but that still doesn't explain why Carp was set to be competing at his spotHe never competed for LOLB spot in training camp. He practiced on the inside immediately.

[Bob Sacamano]

Some of these folks like revisionist history.

:laugh2:

[Bob Sacamano]

He never competed for LOLB spot in training camp. He practiced on the inside immediately.

I know, but when he was drafted, it was for him to be competing w/ Ellis and Singleton for the LOLB spot

[SALADIN]

if we draft 22 and below

there's not much seperation there, from a 2nd round pick, so to move into the high 2nd round, and pick up a couple more picks

hell, I'm all for it

All of which will depend on the underclassmen that declare.

There may be some value from 22-32;

22 Mark Clayton
24 Steven Jackson
28 Chris Gamble
32 Ben Watson
27 Larry Johnson

If no one falls, yeah, trade down, but in a year where there's a deep draft, a value pick will always fall in your lap.

[Dat Dude]

Man this tape must be dusty. lol I will check him out.

I covered Dwayne Jarret in HS and I wasnt too good so I dont know how much this tape will show ; )

I picked of Rex Grossman in 97' , actuallyhe threw it right to me... Bloomington South..

[theogt]

And most other scouts. Bill even hinted at this in a press conference earlier in the year.

I'd like to see this "list". Virtually all the draft guides I looked at projected Carpenter to the outside and several thought he was the best "3-4 SSOLB" available. It was pretty common knowledge around draft time that scouts had him as an ILB in the 3-4. New England had him slated there.
That is a massive assumption.I disagree.

[Bob Sacamano]

a value pick will always fall in your lap.

true, just saying that trading down, maybe out of the 1st completely, looks like a real possibility now since we don't have any real, glaring need on the roster

[Dat Dude]

Birdine is so overrated its not funny.

I like Crowder though. He could probably play that position that Ellis does.


Lets just hope Carpenter lives up to the hype.

Carp might be 259 or so... But if he was 6'5 hed be a better fit.... for SOLB

At 6'2 inside is where he belongs..

[Bob Sacamano]

It was pretty common knowledge around draft time that scouts had him as an ILB in the 3-4. New England had him slated there.


that actually didn't become knowledge till after the draft

[Natedawg44]

Birdine is so overrated its not funny.

I like Crowder though. He could probably play that position that Ellis does.


Lets just hope Carpenter lives up to the hype.

Homer alert
The OU guy sucks
The texas guy is good

[MichaelWinicki]

He never competed for LOLB spot in training camp. He practiced on the inside immediately.

That's because they were giving Ellis a "crash course" at SOLB and they had Als behind him. Carpenter wasn't going to get any snaps at that position and Parcells said that.

[theogt]

that actually didn't become knowledge till after the draftThat's why I said, "around draft time."

That's because they were giving Ellis a "crash course" at SOLB and they had Als behind him. Carpenter wasn't going to get any snaps at that position and Parcells said that.Like I said, he never competed for the outside position.

[MichaelWinicki]

Carp might be 259 or so... But if he was 6'5 hed be a better fit.... for SOLB

At 6'2 inside is where he belongs..


So you're saying we spent a 1st round draft pick on a guy to play behind Akin and James? Akin we had just signed to a big contract and James was very, very good last year... you really believe we spent a 1st rounder to back up those two spots? LOL!

I call "BS".

[MichaelWinicki]

That's why I said, "around draft time."

Like I said, he never competed for the outside position.


But I guess his is now huh? :)

[Bob Sacamano]

That's why I said, "around draft time."

once the draft is over, there is no "draft time"

[MichaelWinicki]

once the draft is over, there is no "draft time"


Someone is playing "games" with the calendar. :)

[theogt]

Before this whole conversation takes my post count up towards 5000 posts, I want to point out that I think Carpenter was drafted with an eye toward playing the LOLB. HOWEVER! The reason he was drafted over Lawson is because he would make the perfect ILB because of his size/frame. Carpenter had the ability to play multiple positions and Bill knew about the Greg Ellis experiment before we all even had it on our radar. In hindsight, I'm not sure why we ever doubted Greg in the first place. It wasn't really a stretch for Parcells to think he could succeed standing up. Heck, 3-4 defenses ask 4-3 DEs to do it all the time and they typically do succeed. The position isn't that much different.

[DaBoyz73]

Both really. I'd love to see us get a top flight WR. I don't see Glenn around much longer. TO is a toss up. Austin, Hurd, and Crayton all have the potential to be very solid #2/3 receivers. I want a first round potential pro-bowl receiver.

Okay, and who might that be?

[theogt]

once the draft is over, there is no "draft time"Arguing for the sake of argument? "Around draft time" means around draft time. You know, the months of March, April, and May. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

[Bob Sacamano]

Arguing for the sake of argument? "Around draft time" means around draft time. You know, the months of March, April, and May. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

the draft is over

there is no more draft

anything after that, the word "draft", can't be applied cuz it ceases to exist

I wouldn't have a problem if you said, "after the draft", because using "around draft-time", is suiting your argument that he was drafted to be an ILB, which isn't true

[CATCH17]

Homer alert
The OU guy sucks
The texas guy is good

Im not a Texas fan but I do hate OU.


With that said i'll give any player credit where credit is due and the only player on that defense worth a darn is Reggie Smith.

I guess Rufus would be a solid pick for a 4-3 team.

[Dat Dude]

So you're saying we spent a 1st round draft pick on a guy to play behind Akin and James? Akin we had just signed to a big contract and James was very, very good last year... you really believe we spent a 1st rounder to back up those two spots? LOL!

I call "BS".


I like Carps potential... Really do..

Loved that Trio at OSU last year and want them all too succeed at NYJ, GB and dallas. But..... I think he was picked for SOLB in mind but was an insurance policy for AKIN if he didnt work out. Guy played DE at Purdue and in a 4-3 with Jags.. You can never have enough big LB's that can run. Bobby was this on tape last year. Like Bill was saying today at PC , Bobby's issue is confindence. He doesnt have that same OSU swagger that he did last year. Even at the Fiesta Bowl when he ran out on field, he lokks totally different. He went from Stud on Campus, to lost on Kick Off team. He plays too tentative like hes scared to mess up .. Not the same instinctive guy I saw against UT last year...

So with Greg being out, Bobby will be given chance but ONLY due to injury.. With AKIN playing well he will only sniff field if he plays SOLB well or can be a down rusher in nickel or dime...

Not a wasted pick , just a depth issue.. I still think he's too short for SOLB, he will be good in coverage.. but doesnt impress me shedding blocks...

[Bob Sacamano]

Before this whole conversation takes my post count up towards 5000 posts, I want to point out that I think Carpenter was drafted with an eye toward playing the LOLB. HOWEVER! The reason he was drafted over Lawson is because he would make the perfect ILB because of his size/frame. Carpenter had the ability to play multiple positions and Bill knew about the Greg Ellis experiment before we all even had it on our radar. In hindsight, I'm not sure why we ever doubted Greg in the first place. It wasn't really a stretch for Parcells to think he could succeed standing up. Heck, 3-4 defenses ask 4-3 DEs to do it all the time and they typically do succeed. The position isn't that much different.

Carp was drafted over Lawson because he was a perfect fit for the LOLB spot minus his height and short arms

as we see now, BP had no idea how Carp would react when moved inside since he never played the position before, don't know where you're getting this "ability to play multiple positions" from

[theogt]

Carp was drafted over Lawson because he was a perfect fit for the LOLB spot minus his height and short arms

as we see now, BP had no idea how Carp would react when moved inside since he never played the position before, don't know where you're getting this "ability to play multiple positions" fromFrom Bill Parcells's mouth. Listen to the press conferences. He has stated that Carpenter was appealing because he could play multiple positions.

[bbgun]

Great. Let's ignore offense for the billionth year in a row.

[ghettogandhi]

My draft would be 4 olineman, a free safety who can make plays, and a stout dt to help rest Ferguson ( a sumo wrestler type would be perfect) maybe even a real sumo wrestler

[theogt]

the draft is over

there is no more draft

anything after that, the word "draft", can't be applied cuz it ceases to exist

I wouldn't have a problem if you said, "after the draft", because using "around draft-time", is suiting your argument that he was drafted to be an ILB, which isn't true"Around" in the temporal sense encompasses both before and after the fact. Thanks for taking this conversation to new heights.

[Bob Sacamano]

From Bill Parcells's mouth. Listen to the press conferences. He has stated that Carpenter was appealing because he could play multiple positions.

I remember it being because he was versatile, that doesn't mean being able to play multiple positions, but in rushing the passer, stopping the run, and playing in coverage

he only talks about moving Carp to ILB because "he's a smart kid and I think he can handle it"

and of course Ellis adapting to the OLB position so well, which wasn't a sure thing in Parcells' mind, per his PCs

[theogt]

So you're saying we spent a 1st round draft pick on a guy to play behind Akin and James? Akin we had just signed to a big contract and James was very, very good last year... you really believe we spent a 1st rounder to back up those two spots? LOL!

I call "BS".I'm saying we drafted a guy that could step in and play competently at multiple LB positions in the 3-4. Bill loves those players. He dreams about those players.

[Bob Sacamano]

"Around" in the temporal sense encompasses both before and after the fact. Thanks for taking this conversation to new heights.

"after the draft" is more precise

[theogt]

I remember it being because he was versatile, that doesn't mean being able to play multiple positions, but in rushing the passer, stopping the run, and playing in coverage

he only talks about moving Carp to ILB because "he's a smart kid and I think he can handle it"Yeah, I guess he just figured out that he was a smart kid that could handle multiple positions AFTER THE DRAFT.;)

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, I guess he just figured out that he was a smart kid that could handle multiple positions AFTER THE DRAFT.;)

very good

[MichaelWinicki]

If I was a betting man :) I would say that Carp will end the season as the starting SSOLB and will begin next season there.

And while I would not be shocked that we drafted another LB in either rounds 2 or 3 I just doubt we would blow a 1 on one.

[theogt]

If I was a betting man :) I would say that Carp will end the season as the starting SSOLB and will begin next season there.

And while I would not be shocked that we drafted another LB in either rounds 2 or 3 I just doubt we would blow a 1 on one.If I was a betting man I would say that Carpenter is not the future of this franchise at LOLB.

[Bob Sacamano]

If I was a betting man I would say that Carpenter is not the future of this franchise at LOLB.

near, near, near future

[wick]

Texas' Brian Robison could be an outstanding conversion in the middle and later rounds. He's an outstanding athlete.

[The30YardSlant]

If Gaines Adams is only 250, then Clemson needs to get the batteries on their scales checked

[Zaxor]

I know this won't be popular but it may well happen that the best player on the board come our pick will be a CB and it wouldn't be a bad pick even if there are more pressing needs...