View Full Version : the second coming of the moose?...and other tidbits from Colts game
Just watched replay of the game and followed Hoyte every time they put him in. The guy is a really good lead blocker. He hit everybody in his path and stumped them. On Barber's first touchdown, Hoyte hit a Colts linebacker and spun him 180 degree. The guy didn't even see Barber running by. Got to give credit to the coaching staff for having the imagination to turn Hoyte from a LB to a FB. This is a great example of a guy willing to do anything to make the team. With how loaded we are on LBs, this was a great move for Hoyte. He could be the next Moose, although they haven't called many passing plays to him like Moose got.
Also watched Carpernter every time he's in the game. He had really good leverage and seemed to always have his center of gravity below the guy blocking him. He held his position on running plays and rarely got pushed out of his space. What he still had problem with was disengaging the blocker to make plays on the RB. On passing plays I'm not sure what they asked him to do but he seemed fast runing around. So far Carpenter is not anywhere near the pass rusher that Ellis is.
Watched Columbo alot and he is a huge improvement over what we had last year. I like Petiti's effort but Columbo is so much better, even with that head scratcher block on the FG in Washington. Does anyone notice that Columbo always pulls his pants up after every play? Maybe he should wear a belt or something.
I wonder how long before defenses will catch up to Romo's misdirections. Almost every time he pointed left or looked left, he was already planning to throw right....like that last pass before the half to TO where Romo pointed left as he was scrambling out of the pocket then cooly threw a nice easy pass to TO 25 yards down the right sideline.
In the first half, the Colts sold out on the run and had 8 defenders in the box a lot. I was surprised to see not more play action from us to take advantage of that. Or maybe Romo didn't audible for the play action.
Julius needs to finish his runs like Barber. In the 4th quarter, on our last TD drive, JJ had a run to the right sideline and stepped out just short of the first down. He had room to easily gained a couple more yards if he just turn inside and finish his run. Romo then had to get a 1st on the QB sneak. What if Romo didn't make it? Would Bill take his chance sending out Vandeclank?
WHAT A GAME! Someone said this was the best Cowboys game in 10 years and I would agree. I haven't been this excited about a Cowboys team since the early 90s.
Aikbach
11-21-2006, 11:31 PM
Columbo was supposed to be a stud and so he is finally living up to expectations. Hoyte, the converted linebacker, has the appropriate nasty streak for hitting that makes his position change a perfect fit because he isn't fast enough to start at LB. Carpenter is talented, he sarted for Ohio St. so he is an athlete, I don't think he'll turn into Andy Katzenmoyer and flop, I think he'll be a quality LB like Mike Vrabel in good time, it may take three years. Don't forget that Kevin Burnett was deemed a bust by fans last year.
Big Dakota
11-21-2006, 11:32 PM
Just watched replay of the game and followed Hoyte every time they put him in. The guy is a really good lead blocker. He hit everybody in his path and stumped them. On Barber's first touchdown, Hoyte hit a Colts linebacker and spun him 180 degree. The guy didn't even see Barber running by. Got to give credit to the coaching staff for having the imagination to turn Hoyte from a LB to a FB. This is a great example of a guy willing to do anything to make the team. With how loaded we are on LBs, this was a great move for Hoyte. He could be the next Moose, although they haven't called many passing plays to him like Moose got.
Also watched Carpernter every time he's in the game. He had really good leverage and seemed to always have his center of gravity below the guy blocking him. He held his position on running plays and rarely got pushed out of his space. What he still had problem with was disengaging the blocker to make plays on the RB. On passing plays I'm not sure what they asked him to do but he seemed fast runing around. So far Carpenter is not anywhere near the pass rusher that Ellis is.
Watched Columbo alot and he is a huge improvement over what we had last year. I like Petiti's effort but Columbo is so much better, even with that head scratcher block on the FG in Washington. Does anyone notice that Columbo always pulls his pants up after every play? Maybe he should wear a belt or something.
I wonder how long before defenses will catch up to Romo's misdirections. Almost every time he pointed left or looked left, he was already planning to throw right....like that last pass before the half to TO where Romo pointed left as he was scrambling out of the pocket then cooly threw a nice easy pass to TO 25 yards down the right sideline.
In the first half, the Colts sold out on the run and had 8 defenders in the box a lot. I was surprised to see not more play action from us to take advantage of that. Or maybe Romo didn't audible for the play action.
Julius needs to finish his runs like Barber. In the 4th quarter, on our last TD drive, JJ had a run to the right sideline and stepped out just short of the first down. He had room to easily gained a couple more yards if he just turn inside and finish his run. Romo then had to get a 1st on the QB sneak. What if Romo didn't make it? Would Bill take his chance sending out Vandeclank?
WHAT A GAME! Someone said this was the best Cowboys game in 10 years and I would agree. I haven't been this excited about a Cowboys team since the early 90s.
As far as JJ finishing runs? He does it as well or better than Dorsett ever did and TD in in the HOF. It just isn't in some guys game to murder defenders at the end of a run. JMHO.
gimmesix
11-21-2006, 11:34 PM
Just watched replay of the game and followed Hoyte every time they put him in. The guy is a really good lead blocker. He hit everybody in his path and stumped them. On Barber's first touchdown, Hoyte hit a Colts linebacker and spun him 180 degree. The guy didn't even see Barber running by. Got to give credit to the coaching staff for having the imagination to turn Hoyte from a LB to a FB. This is a great example of a guy willing to do anything to make the team. With how loaded we are on LBs, this was a great move for Hoyte. He could be the next Moose, although they haven't called many passing plays to him like Moose got.
That was no linebacker. That was Dwight Freeney.
I wonder how long before defenses will catch up to Romo's misdirections. Almost every time he pointed left or looked left, he was already planning to throw right....like that last pass before the half to TO where Romo pointed left as he was scrambling out of the pocket then cooly threw a nice easy pass to TO 25 yards down the right sideline.
Not being able to see the whole field, I wonder if it is all misdirection or if he is actually directing some of his receivers. If he is directing his receivers and the defenders don't react, then he would be able to throw to the open man to the left if his first read is covered.
Cajuncowboy
11-21-2006, 11:35 PM
Does anyone notice that Columbo always pulls his pants up after every play? Maybe he should wear a belt or something.
That was a Nate Newton specialty. Nate was always hiking his pants up. We can only hope Columbo turns out like did while he was with us.
EastDallasCowboy
11-21-2006, 11:39 PM
Julius needs to finish his runs like Barber. In the 4th quarter, on our last TD drive, JJ had a run to the right sideline and stepped out just short of the first down. He had room to easily gained a couple more yards if he just turn inside and finish his run. Romo then had to get a 1st on the QB sneak. What if Romo didn't make it? Would Bill take his chance sending out Vandeclank?
I was irate about that.
It was so obvious he didn't put in the effort. I spent the next 20m afterwards *****ing to the folks I was watching the game with about it.
The result was fine, but if the Cowboys had lost that would have been possibly the most defining reason why that day. I just don't get why a RB gives up free yards.
Oh_Canada
11-21-2006, 11:41 PM
Jones running out of bounds was not on of his better moments I agree.
That was no linebacker. That was Dwight Freeney.
that's even better!
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I was irate about that.
It was so obvious he didn't put in the effort. I spent the next 20m afterwards *****ing to the folks I was watching the game with about it.
The result was fine, but if the Cowboys had lost that would have been possibly the most defining reason why that day. I just don't get why a RB gives up free yards.
Early in the season, I forgot which game but I remember it was a loss (maybe it was the Jags game), there was a similar play where either Glenn or TO ran out just shy of the first down marker. We didn't pick up the first and it was a significant play in turning around the momentum of the game.
Not being able to see the whole field, I wonder if it is all misdirection or if he is actually directing some of his receivers. If he is directing his receivers and the defenders don't react, then he would be able to throw to the open man to the left if his first read is covered.
Phil Simms commented a couple times how Romo was looking defenders off to the left and then threw to the right
Aikbach
11-21-2006, 11:56 PM
That was a Nate Newton specialty. Nate was always hiking his pants up. We can only hope Columbo turns out like did while he was with us.Nate was a walk on as well, I realize Columbo was drafted high by Chicago but he came to Dallas with zero expectations.
Connection20
11-22-2006, 01:03 AM
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I was irate about that.
It was so obvious he didn't put in the effort. I spent the next 20m afterwards *****ing to the folks I was watching the game with about it.
The result was fine, but if the Cowboys had lost that would have been possibly the most defining reason why that day. I just don't get why a RB gives up free yards.
One thing about this, I remember years ago Robert Smith had season ending knee/leg surgery two years in a row, both years he was leading the league in rushing but quite a wide margin at the time. Both injuries occured trying to get every last possible yard on the sideline. The Vikings did some study of the NFL and found that RBs get hurt on the sidelines more than anywhere else or something to that effect. When Smith came back from those two surgeries, he was still the same awesome RB, he just didnt fight for those last 3 yards. There is a chance, JJ is trying to save his body. I just defended JJ...something is wrong with me:D
Aikbach
11-22-2006, 01:33 AM
One thing about this, I remember years ago Robert Smith had season ending knee/leg surgery two years in a row, both years he was leading the league in rushing but quite a wide margin at the time. Both injuries occured trying to get every last possible yard on the sideline. The Vikings did some study of the NFL and found that RBs get hurt on the sidelines more than anywhere else or something to that effect. When Smith came back from those two surgeries, he was still the same awesome RB, he just didnt fight for those last 3 yards. There is a chance, JJ is trying to save his body. I just defended JJ...something is wrong with me:DRobert Smith retired by 29.
InmanRoshi
11-22-2006, 01:39 AM
If Robert Smith was running out of bounds short of the first down marker in the 4th quarter of critical games, its no wonder the Vikings never won a championship with all that talent.
Aikbach
11-22-2006, 01:54 AM
If Robert Smith was running out of bounds short of the first down marker in the 4th quarter of critical games, its no wonder the Vikings never won a championship with all that talent.They were the Colts of the late 90s.
Catch-22
11-22-2006, 02:00 AM
I wonder how long before defenses will catch up to Romo's misdirections. In my opinion, never.
It's human nature to focus where someone is looking or pointing, I don't think any amount of defensive coaching can change that. Looking off the defense is one of those things that good QBs do that the defense can't really defend against.
Thomas82
11-22-2006, 02:04 AM
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I was irate about that.
It was so obvious he didn't put in the effort. I spent the next 20m afterwards *****ing to the folks I was watching the game with about it.
The result was fine, but if the Cowboys had lost that would have been possibly the most defining reason why that day. I just don't get why a RB gives up free yards.
And don't forget, he left at least 30 more yards on the field.
followthestar
11-22-2006, 06:22 AM
has anyone checked the spot of the ball on that play? i was cussing also, because it seemed to me he picked up the first down, but was given a bad spot. if he didn't make it, then yes he needs someone to point out to him its important to make sure he picks up that extra yard.
i also noticed several times that he has the speed to break runs outside, and could go for big gains possibly, but he follows Bill's advice and follows his blocking inside nearly every time. Barber ad-libs more often and Bill criticizes him for it, but God i wish JJ would bounce outside more often!!!!!
stag hunter
11-22-2006, 07:28 AM
Just watched replay of the game and followed Hoyte every time they put him in. The guy is a really good lead blocker. He hit everybody in his path and stumped them. On Barber's first touchdown, Hoyte hit a Colts linebacker and spun him 180 degree. The guy didn't even see Barber running by. Got to give credit to the coaching staff for having the imagination to turn Hoyte from a LB to a FB. This is a great example of a guy willing to do anything to make the team. With how loaded we are on LBs, this was a great move for Hoyte. He could be the next Moose, although they haven't called many passing plays to him like Moose got.
Also watched Carpernter every time he's in the game. He had really good leverage and seemed to always have his center of gravity below the guy blocking him. He held his position on running plays and rarely got pushed out of his space. What he still had problem with was disengaging the blocker to make plays on the RB. On passing plays I'm not sure what they asked him to do but he seemed fast runing around. So far Carpenter is not anywhere near the pass rusher that Ellis is.
Watched Columbo alot and he is a huge improvement over what we had last year. I like Petiti's effort but Columbo is so much better, even with that head scratcher block on the FG in Washington. Does anyone notice that Columbo always pulls his pants up after every play? Maybe he should wear a belt or something.
I wonder how long before defenses will catch up to Romo's misdirections. Almost every time he pointed left or looked left, he was already planning to throw right....like that last pass before the half to TO where Romo pointed left as he was scrambling out of the pocket then cooly threw a nice easy pass to TO 25 yards down the right sideline.
In the first half, the Colts sold out on the run and had 8 defenders in the box a lot. I was surprised to see not more play action from us to take advantage of that. Or maybe Romo didn't audible for the play action.
Julius needs to finish his runs like Barber. In the 4th quarter, on our last TD drive, JJ had a run to the right sideline and stepped out just short of the first down. He had room to easily gained a couple more yards if he just turn inside and finish his run. Romo then had to get a 1st on the QB sneak. What if Romo didn't make it? Would Bill take his chance sending out Vandeclank?
WHAT A GAME! Someone said this was the best Cowboys game in 10 years and I would agree. I haven't been this excited about a Cowboys team since the early 90s.
This is the kind of in-depth analysis you just don't get from the play by play
burmafrd
11-22-2006, 07:31 AM
JJ carried that LB at least 4 yds at the clinching TD drive. So questioning his willingness is stupid. As regards that running out of bounds, he was looking at the yd mkr and made it- but the ref was blocked from seeing it and gave him a bad spot. The only mistake he made the whole game was not seeing the safety on that run- he told BP he was looking elsewhere and just flat missed him. As regards barber- his ad libs get him in hot water with bp- remember that sarcastic gale sayers remark? You do it BP's way or sooner or later you are sitting or gone. I happen to think that JJ should be allowed to go with his instinct like he did in his rookie year- but thats just me.
stag hunter
11-22-2006, 07:35 AM
JJ carried that LB at least 4 yds at the clinching TD drive. So questioning his willingness is stupid. As regards that running out of bounds, he was looking at the yd mkr and made it- but the ref was blocked from seeing it and gave him a bad spot. The only mistake he made the whole game was not seeing the safety on that run- he told BP he was looking elsewhere and just flat missed him. As regards barber- his ad libs get him in hot water with bp- remember that sarcastic gale sayers remark? You do it BP's way or sooner or later you are sitting or gone. I happen to think that JJ should be allowed to go with his instinct like he did in his rookie year- but thats just me.
JJ definitely didn't have the 1st on the play you're referring to, I don't see how anyone could think he did
ghst187
11-22-2006, 08:15 AM
That was no linebacker. That was Dwight Freeney.
that's what I was going to say. That was one of my favorite plays, Hoyte just destroyed Freeney on that play. I watched and rewatched that play just to see that block.
Of course, I've always thought Freeney was a very overrated player and he should probably be taken out on running downs since he refuses to play the run. I think he has like a grand total of 11 tackles this year. And a lot of teams run right at him because they know he will completely vacate his starting point to get 8 yards upfield.
If Freeney played for BP, I tend to think he'd only come in on the nickel.
Redball Express
11-22-2006, 08:25 AM
on the one hand..you can complain that Julius Jones stepped out before reaching the 1st down marker and not taking the hit instead.
On the other, he may have thought he had made it and it wasn't necessary.
..and thirdly, it's a long season to go and what we want is for JuJo to play all 16 games and stay healthy.
I'd prefer he step out and live to play the next series. I'm sure he thought he had the 1st.
No biggy.
When you see the run he made with the screen pass carrying several defenders with him to the goaline..you know he doesn't dog it and isn't avoiding contact.
The guy is tough and having a great season for us.
parcellswaterboy
DCBoysfan
11-22-2006, 09:12 AM
I think when Romo is pointing out to his left he is calling out potential blitzers.
dbair1967
11-22-2006, 09:20 AM
That was a Nate Newton specialty. Nate was always hiking his pants up. .
remember the 92 championship game at SF? They showed Nate doing it a couple times late in the game, then flashed to the booth to Norv Turner and Madden saw Turner doing the same thing
David
Angus
11-22-2006, 09:33 AM
Thanks, groo. Very good post. Perceptive observations.
arync
11-22-2006, 09:47 AM
What would happen if they ever let Hoyte run the ball?
I think when Romo is pointing out to his left he is calling out potential blitzers.
I was referring to Romo pointing while he's scrambling after the snap
Thanks, groo. Very good post. Perceptive observations.
I'll do this more if I have time. I love watching the replay on Tivo and just watch certain players for the whole game. You see things that you don't see watching the game live. Like on the last slant that Glenn caught for a first down and effectively ended the game. Watching live I thought he ran at full speed like the other slants that he had run all day. But watching the replay, he actually jogged a couple steps off the line while waiting for TO and Witten to clear out the space and then he crossed behind them. Witten shielded off Glenn's defender.
remember the 92 championship game at SF? They showed Nate doing it a couple times late in the game, then flashed to the booth to Norv Turner and Madden saw Turner doing the same thing
David
yes, I remember that now :laugh2:
What would happen if they ever let Hoyte run the ball?
let's not get carried away ;) ...although noone ever expects Hoyte to carry the ball, it might be a good trick play when you need one yard.
arync
11-22-2006, 12:16 PM
hahaha, thats what I thought too
CrazyCowboy
11-22-2006, 01:00 PM
This entire team is really looking great....
dillinger319
11-22-2006, 01:05 PM
let's not get carried away ;) ...although noone ever expects Hoyte to carry the ball, it might be a good trick play when you need one yard.
On Romo's sneak for that yard that JJ left on the field, I just knew they were going to hand it off to Hoyte, or do the quick slant again. I think Hoyte could get you one or two "tough" yards.... He's mean..
CooterBrown
11-22-2006, 01:08 PM
For the moment we need to keep Hoyte looking for someone to hit, not looking for someone to miss. (like our last LB turned FB, Robert Thomas.)
raichledog
11-22-2006, 01:09 PM
I don't worry too much about JJ not "finishing" his runs. For the most part he hits the hole hard and runs downhill. He is very good at finishing runs for a back his size and style. Asking him to finish like MBIII is a little silly because they run so differently. It would be akin to saying that Barber needed to have the speed of JJ on that run on our last drive of the game. On the run I am speaking of, he got the ball at aprox. the 10 and had a 20 yard gain. However, if he had JJ's speed, it very well could have been a 90 yard td instead. Asking that of MBIII isn't fair because it's something that isn't in his bag of tricks.
I am thrilled with our backs and the way they are used. JJ's hard running was almost completely responsible for our first td, and largely responsible for the 2nd as well. Remember the 15 yard catch where he carried June to the 1/2 yard line? That was a physical play that wasn't a scoring play, but made the scoring play possible.
conner01
11-22-2006, 01:22 PM
hoyte needs to spend this offseason learning to catch the ball so he can be a complete fb. the guy has that lb mentallity which i think serves him well as a fb.if he can learn to be a recieving threat too this offseason then we may have us another almost moose
CooterBrown
11-22-2006, 01:25 PM
hoyte needs to spend this offseason learning to catch the ball so he can be a complete fb. the guy has that lb mentallity which i think serves him well as a fb.if he can learn to be a recieving threat too this offseason then we may have us another almost moose
Hoyte has at least one reception this year. Of course, he lost his balance and fell down catching it.
Cogan
11-22-2006, 01:47 PM
Jones running out of bounds was not on of his better moments I agree.
From watching his reaction to the spot, I really do think that JJ thought he was further than he was. I feel it was a situation where the RB felt he was past the sticks, rather than a wuss play where he didn't want to get hit. We've all seen him drive into a pile too often to believe that, I hope.
percyhoward
11-22-2006, 01:54 PM
If MBIII had JJ's speed, it very well could have been a 90 yard td instead. Asking that of MBIII isn't fair because it's something that isn't in his bag of tricks.
While Barber will never have JJ's speed, I'm thinking JJ will never see the field and react as quickly as Barber does.
raichledog
11-22-2006, 02:12 PM
While Barber will never have JJ's speed, I'm thinking JJ will never see the field and react as quickly as Barber does.
which goes to the point I was making. I think JJ has great vision, but I think some of his natural instincts have been stripped away by Parcells. Time will tell if MBIII has the same happen. My point is that you cannot ask one to do what the other does and vice versa. There is a reason Parcells is giving Jones more carries, and I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that Parcells knows more about football than any 10 posters on this site, so I'll trust his judgment.
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