Tiki is upset that his final season is disintegrating; Coughlin upset with criticism

[Gryphon]

Taken from the Giants Forum: Tiki is p*ssed that his final season is disintegrating : GeofromNJ : 11/24/06 12:05 PM

Prior to the draft this year, Tiki publicly came out against drafting Deangelo Williams saying that it would be waste of a pick because he would spend a year on the bench. Instead, Tiki wanted the Giants to draft a player who could help the team this year with the SB, this way Tiki leaves on a winner. But there will be no winner this year. Too many injuries, Moss is a non-factor, and Eli is self-destructing.
Tiki thinks that maybe if the Giants go back to run, run, run, the season is still salvagable and maybe he can leave a winner. This is Tiki's hope and his prayer. But keep in mind that Tiki cares about this year and this year only, because next year he will be gone.

[RXP]

Taken from the Giants Forum: Tiki is p*ssed that his final season is disintegrating : GeofromNJ : 11/24/06 12:05 PM

Prior to the draft this year, Tiki publicly came out against drafting Deangelo Williams saying that it would be waste of a pick because he would spend a year on the bench. Instead, Tiki wanted the Giants to draft a player who could help the team this year with the SB, this way Tiki leaves on a winner. But there will be no winner this year. Too many injuries, Moss is a non-factor, and Eli is self-destructing.
Tiki thinks that maybe if the Giants go back to run, run, run, the season is still salvagable and maybe he can leave a winner. This is Tiki's hope and his prayer. But keep in mind that Tiki cares about this year and this year only, because next year he will be gone.

Oh he's ticked is he?

Good.

Hopefully we can throw a few shovels full of dirt on his carcass next Sunday.

[tomson75]

I used to respect Tiki...I have now come to this conclusion...

Poop > Tiki

[Bryan8284]

Just stop him Sunday and we win. Eli can't beat us with his arm.

[StevenOtero]

I used to respect Tiki...I have now come to this conclusion...

Poop > Tiki
:lmao: :bow:

[LaTunaNostra]

Poor Tiki, bawhahaha!

His perfectly timed pre-retirement anouncement was planned to give him not just maximum exposure as he launched his broadcasting career full force, but a king's farewell as the conference leading tailback, and perhaps even SB winner.

Tough breaks.:lmao:

About the only thing that's been proven over the last two months is he is a complete jerk.

[REDVOLUTION]

Poor Tiki, bawhahaha!

His perfectly timed pre-retirement anouncement was planned to give him not just maximum exposure as he launched his broadcasting career full force, but a king's farewell as the conference leading tailback, and perhaps even SB winner.

Tough breaks.:lmao:

About the only thing that's been proven over the last two months is he is a complete jerk.


Yeah... he thought that annoucing that would catapult the team... NOT!

[Woods]

Is there even a decent chance Tenn beats the Giants? I sooooooo hope so.

[StevenOtero]

About the only thing that's been proven over the last two months is he is a complete jerk.
N' he talks like a girl :)

[Doomsday]

Tiki is a punk. He is all roses when everything is going well but hes no different then Shockey or some of the other loudmouth selfish players ripping that franchise apart. He cries about his 11 carries, but its hard to move the ball on the ground when u average 2.7 ypc. Their whole team sucked vs Jacksonville, including him.

[Gryphon]

Is there even a decent chance Tenn beats the Giants? I sooooooo hope so.

I think the Cowboys have to be the team to drive the stake into the Giants heart and end their season.

[StevenOtero]

Tiki is a punk. He is all roses when everything is going well but hes no different then Shockey or some of the other loudmouth selfish players ripping that franchise apart. He cries about his 11 carries, but its hard to move the ball on the ground when u average 2.7 ypc. Their whole team sucked vs Jacksonville, including him.
Yeah even we weren't that bad against JAX w/ Bledsoe of all ppl!

[noshame]

The G-men are going to meltdown into a giant steaming pile of duty before we even arrive. They'll lose to the titans, as they'll be worried about us. Rightfully so.

Boys by 17.

[tyke1doe]

Tiki is a class individual. No need to drag him through the mud just because you don't like the Giants.

[LaTunaNostra]

Yeah... he thought that annoucing that would catapult the team... NOT!

Is that what he thought?

The MNF timing made it look more like he was setting the stage for his self-coronation.

Hey, I've loathed him for years, tho my dislike of him reached full boil with his company man buttinsky remarks over the Strahan contract negotiations. What business was that of his?

Self-promoting phony....all these years there's been a real class act tailback in NY...the one who kept his mouth shut, quietly did good on and off the field, and desperately wants to play a few more years...NOT retire early. The one who never had a radio show, never had tv spots, and never tooted his own horn. But who everyone loves.

The one Bill raised, and raised right.

Tiki Barber isn't a speck on Curtis Martin's shadow.

[theebs]

I dont understand all this giants season is over talk?

They still can put 40 on the board any sunday with that offense. I really think there are alot of people jumping the gun.

We all know that when we go to ny next sunday osi and strahan will play and that takes alot of stress off there linebackers and secondary.

I really think that game is going to be a war up there and is a difficult matchup on the interior for us.

I think this is what happens when everyone watches espn, they all think because player x or team x had a bad game that the season is lost. They have 6 games left and they will be ready.

If the giants play well in tenessee this week I expect the talking heads to be saying how they are still the class of the east.

Facts are until we win up there which we havent done since 03, then nothing has changed, we are chasing the giants. Eli has not played a good game against us yet, but since he has been there tiki has not played a bad one.

I cant wait for next week.

[theebs]

Is that what he thought?

The MNF timing made it look more like he was setting the stage for his self-coronation.

Hey, I've loathed him for years, tho my dislike of him reached full boil with his company man buttinsky remarks over the Strahan contract negotiations. What business was that of his?

Self-promoting phony....all these years there's been a real class act tailback in NY...the one who kept his mouth shut, quietly did good on and off the field, and desperately wants to play a few more years...NOT retire early. The one who never had a radio show, never had tv spots, and never tooted his own horn. But who everyone loves.

The one Bill raised, and raised right.

Tiki Barber isn't a speck on Curtis Martin's shadow.

I have to agree, the tiki barber I am a shy humble man routine is annoying to me. He is very calculated and comes across as a bit of a jerk.

Having said that he is still the best back in the east and one of the best backs in the league and he has been giving us fits the past 2.5 seasons.

[LaTunaNostra]

I have to agree, the tiki barber I am a shy humble man routine is annoying to me. He is very calculated and comes across as a bit of a jerk.

Having said that he is still the best back in the east and one of the best backs in the league and he has been giving us fits the past 2.5 seasons.

Numbers aside, I think Portis is the best back in the East.

But granted, the Jints are still a force to be reckoned with - not to be taken lightly in any way - and Barber has had our number.

Now I want his head. :D

[Gryphon]

Barber was wrong to throw Coughlin under the bus
By Andy Targovnik on November 24, 2006 12:44 AM

When the New York Giants hit tough times, the players always know who to blame - and it's never the guy in the mirror.

This is nothing new. It's been going on all year. The moment things start to go wrong, the finger pointing begins, too.

Both Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey have physically ranted and raved on the field at Eli Manning. Of course, you would need an abacus to count all of their dropped balls, but, hey, it's never their fault.

But because so many of us expect that behavior from those two guys, it doesn't carry much weight. But when Tiki Barber starts to play the blame game, you have to wonder how much longer this house of cards will stay standing.

Like Shockey did earlier in the year, Barber called out his head coach, Tom Coughlin, in public. Barber was upset because he didn't carry the ball enough in the Giants' Monday night loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars .

On merit, Barber may have a point. The game was close enough that he should have seen the ball more than 10 times.

But Barber should have addressed it privately with Coughlin - not take it up with the media. And if you're going to complain, you should really perform a little better than a measly 2.7 yards per carry.

This 'blaming the other guy' syndrome is really getting tiresome.

The Giants lost to Jacksonville not because of any one person, but for a myriad of reasons. Manning was horrible; Burress dropped a touchdown; and the Jags' running backs sliced through the Giants' defenders like they were Swiss cheese. Should I go on?

Barber, who the majority of the media treats like the Mahatma Gandhi of the gridiron, blew it. At best, he could have voiced support for his head coach. At worst, he could have just kept his mouth shut.

The Giants are ravaged by injury, and if they are going to make a run in the last few weeks of the season, they need to come together as a team. In what is supposedly his final season, the 31-year-old Barber had the chance to step up as a leader and try to right this floundering ship.

But like so many other New York Football Giants, he chose to throw someone else under the bus.

[theebs]

Numbers aside, I think Portis is the best back in the East.

But granted, the Jints are still a force to be reckoned with - not to be taken lightly in any way - and Barber has had our number.

Now I want his head. :D


yeah it is debatable. The portis in denver making big plays was a better player, but in the washington offense I dont see him as the difference maker barber is in ny.

I really dislike the barber brothers and tiki is particularly annoying to me, but his talent is undeniable. I think he is like a hair better than portis, but it really is a toss up.

[REDVOLUTION]

Numbers aside, I think Portis is the best back in the East.

But granted, the Jints are still a force to be reckoned with - not to be taken lightly in any way - and Barber has had our number.

Now I want his head. :D


I dont know about Portis...

Jints are still a force to be concerned about... BUT... this latest "throwing under the bus" is just the final straw in the demise of Coughlin in NY... they will come out hard early and then we will crush them....

Barber has had our number.... he wont have it Dec 3.

"Revenge... and this time its for rea" - that movie announcer guy:lmao2:

[LaTunaNostra]

THROWING KNIVES IS NO SHOCK
November 23, 2006 --

by Mike Vaccaro

IF TIKI Barber should ever begin to harbor second thoughts in the coming weeks and months, if he starts to acquire a bad case of retiree remorse, he should realize that the longer he sticks around here, and the more often he opens his mouth, the more people are going to realize that the polished facade he likes to show the public is too often a camouflage for a me-first clubhouse lawyer.

Barber was at it again yesterday, which shouldn't be surprising because if there is one constant with the Giants' running back, it is this: Whenever things aren't going for him the way they went for Frank Merriwell in all of those old Burt L. Standish books, whenever football life throws him a chop block, Barber's reaction is always the same:

Blame someone. Blame anyone. But don't blame me.

This time, one more time, it was Tom Coughlin. Two days after the Giants got drubbed by the Jacksonville Jaguars on national television, two days after Barber got all of 10 carries and all of 27 yards and spent more time blocking than the offensive line did in the second half, Barber did what has always come most naturally to him.

He started throwing knives, aimed squarely at the backs of the people he works with, and for.

"We have to find a way to correct it," Barber said. "That's the bottom line. I talked about this earlier in the season; if you don't have balance you can't win in the NFL. A disproportionate amount of teams that win, win it by running the football.

"That's football. It's not complicated. This is something that teams and kids and coaches do from 12 years old to college and beyond. It isn't rocket science."

Actually, you know what isn't rocket science? Being a good teammate. Being a good soldier. That should be the easiest thing in the world. It should be much easier than being one of your generation's greatest running backs, which Barber clearly is. No one has ever been able to dispute Barber's wonderful bona fides as a star athlete. We may never see his like again around here, at least not for a good, long while.

But his act has officially worn thin. It started a few years ago, when Barber sniped at Michael Strahan (another accomplished locker room litigator) during a protracted contract negotiation. It first really manifested itself after the Giants lost a terrible game to the Texans in Houston in November of 2002, lost a 16-14 game, in part, because Matt Bryant hadn't been able to make a late field goal.

"We couldn't kick a freaking field goal. That was the problem," Barber said that day. "I can't say we played perfect on offense or defense, but when we need a kick, we need a kick."

That, of course, was the warm-up. This was Barber's famous valedictory last January, after the Giants got blitzed by the Panthers in the playoffs:

"They just had a good scheme. I think in some ways we were out-coached," Barber said that day, when he was, not surprisingly, limited to all of 41 yards (it seems Barber is never quite as chatty after he has a good game). "Our game plan wasn't the right one."

Of course Barber backed off that a day later, and only a cynic would suggest this was at the behest of handlers who want the public to believe Barber is an infallibly genuine and humble servant of the people. Because he is who he is, he was given another pass. He has a closet stuffed with similar passes, and he will surely be given another one from this, and from whenever the next time Coughlin doesn't quite stack up to Barber's exacting coaching standards.

Even though this is what he had to say about Coughlin's strategy, two days after the Giants coach thought it more prudent to try and come back against the Jaguars through the air rather than Barber's legs on a night when he clearly wasn't at his best: "It's a slap in the face of me and a slap of my front five guys. We don't take to that very kindly."

One thing's for sure: When Tiki doesn't take kindly to something, you'll know. It'll be ringing in your ears. And stinging in your back. Where the knife sits.

michael.vaccaro@nypost.com

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11232006/sports/giants/throwing_knives_is_no_shock_giants_mike_vaccaro.ht m?page=2

[EGG]

Irvin and Jackson should point out how the NYG's decline happened soon after Tiki's distracting retirement announcement,,, lol,,, :fight:

[LaTunaNostra]

Irvin and Jackson should point out how the NYG's decline happened soon after Tiki's distracting retirement announcement,,, lol,,, :fight:

Oh what do those 'idiots' know? :lmao2:

[Gryphon]

Coach Tom Coughlin reportedly met with RB Tiki Barber to discuss the running back's criticism of the team's play-calling.

A team source revealed to the New York Daily News that Coughlin told Barber the criticism was "inappropriate and unacceptable," but neither party was available to the media Thursday.
Source: New York Daily News

[REDVOLUTION]

Coach Tom Coughlin reportedly met with RB Tiki Barber to discuss the running back's criticism of the team's play-calling.

A team source revealed to the New York Daily News that Coughlin told Barber the criticism was "inappropriate and unacceptable," but neither party was available to the media Thursday.
Source: New York Daily News

This is great.

This cannot be fixed. It has happened too many times before... heck its the 3rd time this year isnt it?

They are toast. I am not underestimating them. But the unity that wasnt there to begin with is even worse now

[Da Hammer]

Am i the only one that thinks that Barber is a phony???? im not saying he's a bad guy or anything but this isnt the first time he openly criticizes the coaching staff and you can say anything you want but he's also quiting on his team after the year.

[REDVOLUTION]

Am i the only one that thinks that Barber is a phony???? im not saying he's a bad guy or anything but this isnt the first time he openly criticizes the coaching staff and you can say anything you want but he's also quiting on his team after the year.


Why is it that Tiki and Shockey and others can rip their coach and its a one and done story each time.... if Owens does it.. its talked about for years

[RXP]

This is great.

This cannot be fixed. It has happened too many times before... heck its the 3rd time this year isnt it?

They are toast. I am not underestimating them. But the unity that wasnt there to begin with is even worse now

I wouldn't go this far, but I do enjoy watching this.

If the Giants win this weekend, all will be forgotten. But if they lose, it will be a circus up there. Almost like the TO-overdose fiasco.

I'd love to see that.

[RXP]

Am i the only one that thinks that Barber is a phony???? im not saying he's a bad guy or anything but this isnt the first time he openly criticizes the coaching staff and you can say anything you want but he's also quiting on his team after the year.

Tiki is getting desperate because this is his last year and he sees it going down the toilet.

[Bryan8284]

If Dallas loses, it'll probably be TO's fault (even if he scores 4 times) and the media blames him for all the woes, Dallas is no longer playoff caliber.

Yada yada yada

[Gryphon]

OH THE THINGS TIKI WILL SAY TO OBSCURE THE FACT THAT HIS QUARTERBACK CAN’T PLAY
The Week in Quotes: November 24, 2006
11/24/2006

compiled by Alex Carnevale

“We have to find a way to correct it. That’s the bottom line. I talked about this earlier in the season; if you don’t have balance you can’t win in the NFL. A disproportionate amount of teams that win, win it by running the football. That’s football. It’s not complicated. This is something that teams and kids and coaches do from 12 years old to college and beyond. It isn’t rocket science.”

– Tiki Barber, on the Giants abandoning the run in a Monday night defeat at the hands of the Jaguars.

“Yeah, it’s a challenge, but we are not scared of anyone. We have played against the best defenses in this league, against the run and overall, and we’ve run the ball. We’ve done effective things. We have executed in the pass game.”

– Barber

“We got away from it early and never got back to it because we felt like we weren’t executing or finding any type of rhythm, but we never got back to it. I felt insignificant for the first time in my career — I should say this season — and it was frustrating.”

– Barber

[REDVOLUTION]

I wouldn't go this far, but I do enjoy watching this.

If the Giants win this weekend, all will be forgotten. But if they lose, it will be a circus up there. Almost like the TO-overdose fiasco.

I'd love to see that.


I dont know.... I live in NY and there is MAJOR disharmony going on right now


Shockey says everyone is waiting around for someone else to make play
Plaxico says he is not talking trash anymore because he needs to perform
Eli has no confidence, no accuracy.. has lost security blanket in Toomer
Tiki is more of a distraction that TO has ever been in Dallas... first with retirement talk and then with the ripping Coughlin

Last I checke the coach has never played on the field...as long as players hold EVERYONE else accountable.... we got this!

[Gryphon]

I’M SURE THEY’RE SCARED OF A LAME DUCK RUNNING BACK AND HIS UNDERSIZED PALS
The Week in Quotes: November 24, 2006
11/24/2006

compiled by Alex Carnevale

“So I think you put yourself halfway to failure to say we can’t do something because of another team’s personnel. It’s a slap in the face of me and a slap of my front five guys. We don’t take to that very kindly.”

– Barber

“I am not here to be a cheerleader, someone who fades into the background. My job is to help this team win. The opportunities I get will dictate that.”

– Barber

“You say you have a couple of negative plays you just can’t do it any more? That’s a cop-out. The one thing you have to do as a team, whether it’s passing the ball or running the ball is establish an identity and believe in something and have faith in it and do it over and over again. In some ways dare a team to stop you. We haven’t done that. I think that’s why we’ve faltered these last couple of games.”

– Barber (New York Post)

[Gryphon]

OK, WE F—ED UP. WE SHOULDN’T HAVE TRADED FOR HIM. WE CRY EVERY SUNDAY FOR WHAT WE’VE LOST.
The Week in Quotes: November 24, 2006
11/24/2006

compiled by Alex Carnevale

“Obviously, in this business, you need the courage of your convictions. I’m totally convinced by Eli’s ability. I have the same conviction about him I always did and so does everybody in this organization. All the hysteria doesn’t mean a thing to me.”

– Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi

“Eli’s a concern. When you talk about nine dropped balls you are not talking about a very good performance. Everybody around him has to play better.”

– Giants coach Tom Coughlin

“I have faith in Eli. I think he will find a way to correct the mistakes he has been making. He can shore up his mechanics and become the leader we saw earlier this season. I really do believe that.”

– Barber

[REDVOLUTION]

“I have faith in Eli. I think he will find a way to correct the mistakes he has been making. He can shore up his mechanics and become the leader we saw earlier this season. I really do believe that.”

– Barber


But Steve Young said that his mechanics were good :lmao:
It must be something else.

[Gryphon]

Taken from a Giants forum Shockey and Tiki's Rants : SethFromAstoria : 11/24/06 9:19 AM

First off let me make clear that i am supportive of both players. Obviously Shockey is not nearly as capable as Tiki is to carry the team on his back, but I understand the emotions that run wild when they express their disappointment in the way the team played and the way the coaches coached.

The difference however between the two, is that Shockey allows his emotions to get the best of him, and he probably says things that are just spur of the moment frustration. He wants to win and when he loses, he just can't deal with it. Tiki is different. He actually makes sense (and thats probably why it seems to cause such a stir). In this case, the media, and the fans are almost giving Coughlin and Hufnagel a relative pass on blame. i can't see how our coaching staff can escape much of the blame by laying it at the feet of Eli Manning. Eli was terrible the other day and has been average for about 4-5 weeks. He really started to look brutal in the middle of the Bears game, and it came to a head in the Jaguar game. With that said, it should not be understated how poor a job the coaches have done over the past 2 weeks. You simply cannot allow your best player to make such little impact on the game by not forcing the ball to him. Every great player finds a way to get involved at some point or another, and Tiki's use of the term "cop out" to describe the abandonment of the running game is actually quite appropriate if you watched the game. Tiki is bound to break a 45 yard run, or a 50 yard screen catch and run. Yeah he should not have said it to the media. This is all true. He should have kept it in house. But his honesty is almost refreshing to me. It gets to be pretty lame to watch the players and coaches spew the most boring company lines everytime the team plays like horses%it. "Yeah we have to play better..."" yeah we have to buckle down and fix some things". Just stop. It sounds dumb and its almost unintentionally condescending. New York fans are knowledgeable and know what they are watching.

You can't expect the fans to believe that "we left some plays out there on the field" every single time. In this case, the Giants chose to throw 40+ times, and run less than 15 times. Its just not the way we have won any of our games, and to assume that it would have worked this time shows a lack of coaching. I am a fan of TC, but in this case he missed the boat. He said as soon as he stepped into his post-game press conference, that they ran too few times. Well how come during the game, when most of us are sitting there wondering why we are not involving our best offensive weapon (even to the point of questioning whether he was hurt), he is not going to his playcaller and asking what the living hell is going on. You have a QB who is visibly shaken by having to drop back and try to force feed balls into receiver's hands when they are covered, and yet instead of changing formations and doing quick drop 4 yard passes, they choose to lineup in a shotgun, 3 WR set with the idea of passing for 10-20 yards on every play. When has that ever worked in football unless it was the Rams or a dome team? If its 3rd and 12, the other team knows you are going to pass and that makes it that much harder to pass. So why do we lineup to pass every down, allowing the jaguars to sit back and blitz or drop into heavy coverage. I understand wholeheartedly how the injuries have played a negative part in our 2 week demise, but that gameplan was possibly the worst idea to get us back into a momentum changing rhythm. I think Tiki was right, and although he probably should just keep it inside the locker room, perhaps his honest frustration just caused him to speak openly about the problem. Rather than giving us the normal BS, he chose to actually express what I know I was feeling after watching the game.

[RXP]

What I like is that the Giants focus is on pointing fingers at themselves rather than beating the Titans.

The Titans have been playing better football lately. They just might rise up and bite them on the a** on Sunday.

[dogunwo]

Is that what he thought?

The MNF timing made it look more like he was setting the stage for his self-coronation.

Hey, I've loathed him for years, tho my dislike of him reached full boil with his company man buttinsky remarks over the Strahan contract negotiations. What business was that of his?

Self-promoting phony....all these years there's been a real class act tailback in NY...the one who kept his mouth shut, quietly did good on and off the field, and desperately wants to play a few more years...NOT retire early. The one who never had a radio show, never had tv spots, and never tooted his own horn. But who everyone loves.

The one Bill raised, and raised right.

Tiki Barber isn't a speck on Curtis Martin's shadow.

VERY well said. Very well said.:bow:

[Fletch]

Poor Tiki, bawhahaha!

His perfectly timed pre-retirement anouncement was planned to give him not just maximum exposure as he launched his broadcasting career full force, but a king's farewell as the conference leading tailback, and perhaps even SB winner.

Tough breaks.:lmao:

About the only thing that's been proven over the last two months is he is a complete jerk.

I could not agree more. I thought at one time he was one of the more classy and informed players in the league. Now he has turned his final season into a selfish one.

I hope we hold Tiki to under 100 yards and cause him to fumble at least once in his last game against his division rival Cowboys at Giant's Stadium.

Send him out properly with a Cowboys win! :cool:

[Juke99]

I dont know.... I live in NY and there is MAJOR disharmony going on right now


Shockey says everyone is waiting around for someone else to make play
Plaxico says he is not talking trash anymore because he needs to perform
Eli has no confidence, no accuracy.. has lost security blanket in Toomer
Tiki is more of a distraction that TO has ever been in Dallas... first with retirement talk and then with the ripping Coughlin

Last I checke the coach has never played on the field...as long as players hold EVERYONE else accountable.... we got this!



Agreed.

I'm in NY with ya.

It's all over WFAN.

Tiki has always been a gold plated phony.

He smiles, and I cringe.

I can't stand him.

I respect him tremendously as a football player but he's an even more annoying self promoter than Owens because at least Owens is just out in the open with it. Barber presents himself as this great guy but ultimately, he's all about himself.

The Giants are about to get a good ole fashioned butt whuppin next week.

[LaTunaNostra]

I respect him tremendously as a football player but he's an even more annoying self promoter than Owens because at least Owens is just out in the open with it. Barber presents himself as this great guy but ultimately, he's all about himself.


:lmao2:
Yip, and Barber throws his teammates under the bus with a regularity that Owens never equaled in his darkest days in Philly.

I'll take TO over Tiki anyday - Owens' self-promotion is nutcase congenital, not crafted by manipulative ambition. His tantrums are out-of-control genuine, not orchestrated with an eye to self-interest. And TO doesn't have that supercilious look-down-my-nose air about him, either.

Oh boy, ten whole days for Tiki bashing before the game arrives!

Now about that Shockey..:laugh2: