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trickblue

11-29-2006, 05:49 PM

Mick:

Gramatica, I was told, was perfect again today in practice. I was also told he has really good pop on the ball like he used to have with Tampa. Apparently Dallas was considering signing him in the offseason but were a bit afraid of his surgery.
Bill did mention an open spot on the PS. It looks as if that will be K Carlos Martinez.
Jerry said today that they were through with high $$$ kickers. He said they will develop their own, without a kicking coach, like everyone else does.
The big time wire story coming out of here is going to beTO disagreeing with the release of Vandy. This is going to be overblown. It was an obscure, quiet question and he in no way answered it maliciously. He said he had cost them more games than Vandy. It was obvious he wasn't trying to stir up any problems with Jones or Parcells, but it won't be reported that way. He was just sticking up quietly for a friend.

bbgun

11-29-2006, 05:55 PM

# Jerry said today that they were through with high $$$ kickers. He said they will develop their own, without a kicking coach, like everyone else does.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

# The big time wire story coming out of here is going to beTO disagreeing with the release of Vandy. This is going to be overblown.

Good ol' Mickey: company man to the bitter end. He knows where his bread is buttered.

HTownCowboysFan

11-29-2006, 05:55 PM

I saw that TO comment and knew it was nothing from the beginning...and also that ESPN and the media would make a mountain out of a mole hill about it. Sheesh!

But who really cares? That's what kills me is that people care what the media thinks (current company and me nonwithstanding). Like Bayless for example, the guy's a fool! But a wealthy fool with a job because there's a reason he keeps his job. He says crap to get a rise out of people! And it shows up on message boards all over the country. What a gig!

theebs

11-29-2006, 05:56 PM

Thanks trick I turned my radio off and missed that!

As always you do a great job with the recaps man...thanks!

Fan Since 77

11-29-2006, 05:58 PM

He said he had cost them more games than Vandy

While this is true, Vandy never really helped win games like TO either.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 05:59 PM

The big time wire story coming out of here is going to beTO disagreeing with the release of Vandy. This is going to be overblown. It was an obscure, quiet question and he in no way answered it maliciously. He said he had cost them more games than Vandy. It was obvious he wasn't trying to stir up any problems with Jones or Parcells, but it won't be reported that way. He was just sticking up quietly for a friend.
:hammer:............ I am sure the usual suspects on this board will start their weekly anti - (insert player) - crying.

theogt

11-29-2006, 06:02 PM

Mick:
Gramatica, I was told, was perfect again today in practice. I was also told he has really good pop on the ball like he used to have with Tampa. Apparently Dallas was considering signing him in the offseason but were a bit afraid of his surgery.Greatest news of the week. Like I've said before, I think he'll have a bounce back season with all the good reports from practice this week and the Pats training camp.

Doomsday101

11-29-2006, 06:03 PM

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:hammer:............ I am sure the usual suspects on this board will start their weekly anti - (insert player) - crying.

Some very well may comment on TO statement. Myself I have no issue over it really but I do think this is an example of TO giving the critics ammo. Play the game that is what he is paid to do not to tell the organization what he would do. He is paid as a player not the GM. Why go down an un-needed road when you don't have too?

Doomsday101

11-29-2006, 06:05 PM

Greatest news of the week. Like I've said before, I think he'll have a bounce back season with all the good reports from practice this week and the Pats training camp.

I hope your right. This is going to be a hard test for Gramatica if he is forced to face the swirling winds at the Medowlands that you normally get this time of year.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:11 PM

Some very well may comment on TO statement. Myself I have no issue over it really but I do think this is an example of TO giving the critics ammo. Play the game that is what he is paid to do not to tell the organization what he would do. He is paid as a player not the GM. Why go down an un-needed road when you don't have too?

If they would have suddenly released Newman ..... and T.O. came out saying "this might have been a mistake" ..... would you fault him for it?

The guy cant win when he talks bad about a teamate or defends them :lmao:

Doomsday101

11-29-2006, 06:16 PM

If they would have suddenly released Newman ..... and T.O. came out saying "this might have been a mistake" ..... would you fault him for it?

The guy cant win when he talks bad about a teamate or defends them :lmao:

As I said he is paid to play nothing more than that. His comments do not mean jack because he does not run the team he is a player and if he could remember that from time to time he would have a lot less episodes with the media. Let me ask why are we not hearing any other player commenting on it? We have a big game to get ready for and it may be a better ideal to worry about your own business instead of things outside your control.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:18 PM

As I said he is paid to play nothing more than that. His comments do not mean jack because he does not run the team he is a player and if he could remember that from time to time he would have a lot less episodes with the media. Let me ask why are we not hearing any other player commenting on it? We have a big game to get ready for and it may be a better ideal to worry about your own business instead of things outside your control.

Hey I agree with that ..... but I would bet you that almost every player has commented on it .....

But the guy we are hearing about is T.O.

Thats the press

Doomsday101

11-29-2006, 06:21 PM

Hey I agree with that ..... but I would bet you that almost every player has commented on it .....

But the guy we are hearing about is T.O.

Thats the press

Sorry not buying. If another player stood up and commented on the release of Vandy it would be reported. I would not be suprised if the move was a shock to some players on the team but that does not mean you need to talk about it with the press. Why open yourself up to this especially a guy like TO who has a mile long track record of opening his mouth way too much to the media? Nothing good can come from it so why do it?

theogt

11-29-2006, 06:22 PM

bbgun

11-29-2006, 06:23 PM

Hey I agree with that ..... but I would bet you that almost every player has commented on it .....

But the guy we are hearing about is T.O.

Thats the press

Yes, how dare they quote him undermining the head coach. Bad press!

"Nothing to see here, folks. Move along."

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:25 PM

theogt

11-29-2006, 06:26 PM

Yes, how dare they quote him undermining the head coach. Bad press!

"Nothing to see here, folks. Move along."He disagreed with the decision! Stop the presses!

I remember Bledsoe saying he disagreed with the decision to bench him and start Romo. That wasn't undermining the head coach and neither is this. This isn't communist Russia. People are allowed to have their own opinions.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:27 PM

Yes, how dare they quote him undermining the head coach. Bad press!

"Nothing to see here, folks. Move along."

What about all the ex teamates of Larry Allen when he was released kid?

Where all of those guys undermining the coach?

Are you a kicker? Cause I am starting to think that Payton was talking about you. ... :D

Doomsday101

11-29-2006, 06:31 PM

Then you have not been paying attention around here for the last few months

Yes I have but I will not defend TO like you will. Had other players said the same thing the media would report how many on the team were aginst this move. Don't kid yourself TO is not the only Cowboy who is reported on but TO is the dumbest Cowboys to open his mouth on things that do not concern him. Sorry this BS about the media out to get TO give me a break all he has to do is shut his stupid mouth for a change and guess what there is no story, the only time they can have any story is when TO starts to talk. His worst enemy is his mouth and he can't control what comes out of it.

braw

11-29-2006, 06:31 PM

Sorry not buying. If another player stood up and commented on the release of Vandy it would be reported. I would not be suprised if the move was a shock to some players on the team but that does not mean you need to talk about it with the press. Why open yourself up to this especially a guy like TO who has a mile long track record of opening his mouth way too much to the media? Nothing good can come from it so why do it?

The guy can't buy a break from you. All the press has to do is cite something negative about someone people like to hate. A la Bayless in one of todays threads, it has 1200 views.

All that happened was a reporter asked a question, which went something like What do you think about the release of Vanderjagt? Where do you go from there? If he says it was a good move from the coach then the writer says TO back to his tricks with teammates(McNabb). If he doesn't agree he has a problem with the coach. No win situation.

The better question is why would a reporter want TO's comments about a kicker. TO has no expertise on field goals.

Doomsday101

11-29-2006, 06:33 PM

What about all the ex teamates of Larry Allen when he was released kid?

Where all of those guys undermining the coach?

Are you a kicker? Cause I am starting to think that Payton was talking about you. ... :D

Please show us what comments your talking about. Most understood this was more of a business move based on the salery and while some players hated to see him go they also knew it was business. Your really reaching to defend your hero.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:34 PM

Yes I have but I will not defend TO like you will. Had other players said the same thing the media would report how many on the team were aginst this move. Don't kid yourself TO is not the only Cowboy who is reported on but TO is the dumbest Cowboys to open his mouth on things that do not concern him. Sorry this BS about the media out to get TO give me a break all he has to do is shut his stupid mouth for a change and guess what there is no story, the only time they can have any story is when TO starts to talk. His worst enemy is his mouth and he can't control what comes out of it.

Like I said ..... I agree to a point.

But there where a few Wideouts who had hamstring problems this year .... But we only heard about T.O. and how he was faking .....

There are quite a few Wideouts who have dropped almost as many passes as T.O. who dont have near as many TD's ..... but all we here about is T.O.'s drops ....

If you think that everything he does is not magnified a thousand times more by the media ...... you are wrong.

only real prob is that is the way T.O. likes it :lmao2:

Doomsday101

11-29-2006, 06:35 PM

The guy can't buy a break from you. All the press has to do is cite something negative about someone people like to hate. A la Bayless in one of todays threads, it has 1200 views.

All that happened was a reporter asked a question, which went something like What do you think about the release of Vanderjagt? Where do you go from there? If he says it was a good move from the coach then the writer says TO back to his tricks with teammates(McNabb). If he doesn't agree he has a problem with the coach. No win situation.

The better question is why would a reporter want TO's comments about a kicker. TO has no expertise on field goals.

And it does not take much for you to kiss his tail end and run to his defense. Bottom line is TO did not have to say anything just like the other players said nothing about it. Why did the media report it because the dumb ars opened his stupid mouth once again that is always how that happens and if he says nothing then nothing is writen. Sorry these lame excuses for TO are laughable when TO has complete control over what he says to the media.

bbgun

11-29-2006, 06:35 PM

What about all the ex teamates of Larry Allen when he was released kid?

Where all of those guys undermining the coach?

Are you a kicker? Cause I am starting to think that Payton was talking about you. ... :D

Huh? We're talking about a notorious cancer second-guessing his coach during the season and before a big game. Larry was released last spring. Please try to keep up.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:36 PM

Please show us what comments your talking about. Most understood this was more of a business move based on the salery and while some players hated to see him go they also knew it was business. Your really reaching to defend your hero.

My hero???? I was against bringing him here ..... but once he became a Cowboy I gave him the benifit of the doubt ....

and Thats all T.O. said about Vandy .... he hated to see him go and hopes it doesnt hurt us down the road .....

Thats it ...... same thing alot of people on this board said ......

bbgun

11-29-2006, 06:37 PM

theogt

11-29-2006, 06:38 PM

Huh? We're talking about a notorious cancer second-guessing his coach during the season and before a big game. Larry was released last spring. Please try to keep up.Well, he wasn't exactly questioning his coaches. He simply said he didn't see why he was released. If I recall correctly it caught us all off guard. I for one was shocked to see the thread posted. It wasn't like he had just missed a game winning field goal in a game.

Doomsday101

11-29-2006, 06:38 PM

Like I said ..... I agree to a point.

But there where a few Wideouts who had hamstring problems this year .... But we only heard about T.O. and how he was faking .....

There are quite a few Wideouts who have dropped almost as many passes as T.O. who dont have near as many TD's ..... but all we here about is T.O.'s drops ....

If you think that everything he does is not magnified a thousand times more by the media ...... you are wrong.

only real prob is that is the way T.O. likes it :lmao2:

In large part because the other guys were not playing tour de france like TO did and the others did not say anything about seeing film on him as TO said about Parcells when BP was saying he needed to see something from him in camp. As for the media they seem to be making some noise about Harrison for leaving the sidelines early in the Colts last game.

braw

11-29-2006, 06:38 PM

Huh? We're talking about a notorious cancer second-guessing his coach during the season and before a big game. Larry was released last spring. Please try to keep up.

I suppose the Eagles season this year is also TO's fault. Because they were playing Family Ball. McNabb out again his his fault also along with Garcia's horrible play.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:39 PM

Huh? We're talking about a notorious cancer second-guessing his coach during the season and before a big game. Larry was released last spring. Please try to keep up.

Mr. learning impaired is telling me to keep up? :lmao: thats funny stuff.

Owens said he hates to see Vandy go and hopes it does not hurt us down the road ..... thats it.

People with Agenda's are blowing this out of Proportion ....

Doomsday because he hates Owens ...

And BBGun because he hates the Cowboys ....

Doomsday101

11-29-2006, 06:40 PM

My hero???? I was against bringing him here ..... but once he became a Cowboy I gave him the benifit of the doubt ....

and Thats all T.O. said about Vandy .... he hated to see him go and hopes it doesnt hurt us down the road .....

Thats it ...... same thing alot of people on this board said ......

I agree but again he opens himself up to this when he makes these types of comments. He is a grown man and should be able to think before he talks and understands that what he said will be reported and discussed by those in the media. I don't have the press around me and I understand how it works he should know this stuff by now.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:41 PM

In large part because the other guys were not playing tour de france like TO did and the others did not say anything about seeing film on him as TO said about Parcells when BP was saying he needed to see something from him in camp. As for the media they seem to be making some noise about Harrison for leaving the sidelines early in the Colts last game.

Like I said .... Like T.O. likes it ...

I never said he did not attract attention ...... just that the media magnifies everything he does.

T.O. is a Diva ..... not a cancer (at least not on this team yet)

Spoiled children get worse the more attention you heap on them ..... just look at BB ;)

braw

11-29-2006, 06:42 PM

Um, reporters ask questions. That's their job, you know. TO can't say "no comment"? Like I said, no self-awareness.

Then you have the silence is deafening. TO does not stick up for ex-teammate. You can find fault with anything when you want to.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:44 PM

I agree but again he opens himself up to this when he makes these types of comments. He is a grown man and should be able to think before he talks and understands that what he said will be reported and discussed by those in the media. I don't have the press around me and I understand how it works he should know this stuff by now.

But you see .... it goes back to being the Diva thing ....

He did not undermine the coach ..... Bill knows that ..... put a Camera and a Mic in T.O.'s face and he will say what he is thinking .... and I for one am glad he is defending his teamates instead of bickering with them.

Bill has got T.O. on a leash ..... he will give him enouth room to make him happy, but will keep control.

bbgun

11-29-2006, 06:48 PM

Then you have the silence is deafening.

Silence TO? I wish. Has he ever heard of the word "discretion"? Or the concept of an "unexpressed thought"? Try it sometime.

TO does not stick up for ex-teammate.

So what? Vandy is no longer a member of the team. He was very unpopular. Disagree with the decision? Fine. But don't be a ******* and articulate it.

You can find fault with anything when you want to.

TO makes it very easy.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 06:53 PM

So what? Vandy is no longer a member of the team. He was very unpopular. Disagree with the decision? Fine. But don't be a ******* and articulate it.

He did

"Going into the Colts game, the guy was 12-of-15. That's still a high kicking percentage," Owens said. "He didn't lose any games for us. If I had to put myself in the mix, I feel like I lost some games and I'm still here, so it's just unfortunate."

braw

11-29-2006, 06:59 PM

Silence TO? I wish. Has he ever heard of the word "discretion"? Or the concept of an "unexpressed thought"? Try it sometime.

So what? Vandy is no longer a member of the team. He was very unpopular. Disagree with the decision? Fine. But don't be a ******* and articulate it.

TO makes it very easy.

Well then WHY do you have to make it point on every TO thread. Right now there are 3 and all have your comments.

You are just waiting to jump on anything negative. No real discourse from you.

bbgun

11-29-2006, 07:02 PM

Well then WHY do you have to make it point on every TO thread. Right now there are 3 and all have your comments.

You are just waiting to jump on anything negative. No real discourse from you.

Because the usual suspects went out of their way to defend him, repeating the tired slur of a "media manufactured" controversy. TO manufactured it all right, with his mouth.

zrinkill

11-29-2006, 07:04 PM

You are just waiting to jump on anything negative.

:hammer:.......

Its sad that some people cannot enjoy when we have success, because they are waiting for the other shoe to drop.

My brother in law acts the same way as BB and some of these guys on here ...... they always expect the worse so they will not be dissapointed .....

but eventually they start wanting to be right more than wanting the Cowboys to get better .... and it angers them when their proclamations of failure do not come true ....

I hope Romo can cure them all .... :lmao2:

Bob Sacamano

11-29-2006, 10:03 PM

As I said he is paid to play nothing more than that.

everyone is paid to do that

why is it an issue when TO speaks to the media too? when everyone else is doing it?

Bob Sacamano

11-29-2006, 10:05 PM

Yes I have but I will not defend TO like you will.

:eek: really? like, oh my God

Beast_from_East

11-29-2006, 10:09 PM

Jerry said today that they were through with high $$$ kickers. He said they will develop their own, without a kicking coach, like everyone else does.I guess we can forget about Josh Brown now, I sure hope either Grammatica or this Arena kicker work out.

:starspin

ThreeSportStar80

11-29-2006, 10:11 PM

T.O. was just stating his opinion, although I disagree. People will always micro-evaluate what the guy says or does....

MONT17

11-29-2006, 10:12 PM

wow developing a kicker now thats an idea.... can we do that with OG some tiime in the near future as well!!!

BigDFan5

11-29-2006, 10:13 PM

Watching a couple of you guys try to spin this as something bad is hilarious

Bob Sacamano

11-29-2006, 10:16 PM

Watching a couple of you guyds try to spin this as something bad is hilarious

and it's the same 2 jumping on the smallest hint of dissension everytime, or what the media makes it up as

and I'm talking very miniscule hints

BigDFan5

11-29-2006, 10:21 PM

and it's the same 2 jumping on the smallest hint of dissension everytime, or what the media makes it up as

and I'm talking very miniscule hints

exactly and then wonder wy people think they have an agenda