Merill Hoge is an idiot

[erich1r]

What do you all think. I can tell he hates the COWBOYS and he really dislikes T.O.

[Mr Cowboy]

I heard him speak highly of the Cowoboys earlier. He said that the 'boys were clearly a better team than the Giants.

[jman]

What do you all think. I can tell he hates the COWBOYS and he really dislikes T.O.

Ummm, please explain

[SmashFactorGolf]

He jsut said w/ all of TO's drops he doesnt put him in the top15 WR's

[Rack Bauer]

He jsut said w/ all of TO's drops he doesnt put him in the top15 WR's

Maybe it just means he considers CATCHING THE BALL highly important for a WR?


No, it has to be hate.


:rolleyes:

[windward]

Can he name 15 better than TO?

[Bob Sacamano]

he's still an idiot, even w/ the drops, TO is top 10

[BrAinPaiNt]

Maybe it just means he considers CATCHING THE BALL highly important for a WR?


No, it has to be hate.


:rolleyes:

:laugh1: :lmao2:

[Dale]

Maybe it just means he considers CATCHING THE BALL highly important for a WR?


No, it has to be hate.


:rolleyes:

I don't see it as hate, either.

I do strongly disagree with him, however. But, he's entitled to his opinion.

[Cajuncowboy]

Maybe it just means he considers CATCHING THE BALL highly important for a WR?


No, it has to be hate.


:rolleyes:

:lmao:

BTW, how's my car coming along? :D

[Aikbach]

Can he name 15 better than TO?No, only a couple such as Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison and Terry Glenn when he's in his groove.

[J-DOG]

he's still an idiot, even w/ the drops, TO is top 10
Sometimes he says some things that make you think he is still suffering from a concussion.
He has said among other things that he wouldn't draft Vince Young in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

The same Vince Young that is now 5-4 as a starter.

[Rack Bauer]

:lmao:

BTW, how's my car coming along? :D

Almost done with the garage so I'll be able to get it in there soon and get to work on it. :D

[erich1r]

Just said T.O. was'nt in the top 15 receivers in the league. Says he has huet the COWBOYS with his dropped passes which is true but look at some of the catches he has made. He did'nt give ROMO any props basically says he's average at best. That's how I took what he was saying. I did'nt like his response to the COWBOYS win today. It was like he was upset the g-girls lost

[Chocolate Lab]

Guess I'm an idiot too, then, because I agree with him. Those drops are going to lose us a game some day. They almost did today.

[UVAwahoos]

I've always found him to be fair and straight up about stuff. He picks the Cowboys a lot during his weekly picks, and he's rightfully harsh on TO. Yeah, maybe not 15 better receivers but the point is still taken and correct. Players like TO and Chad Johnson have to back up all their talk on the field or else they're just setting themselves up to get bashed like this.

TO more than anybody should be bashed for dropping the ball so much because he thinks he is god's gift to football and the world. I love TO and I watch games so I know he helps us with big plays, but I definitely see where Hodge is coming from.

[Bob Sacamano]

don't feel bad C-Lab ;)

[windward]

Guess I'm an idiot too, then, because I agree with him. Those drops are going to lose us a game some day. They almost did today.
name 15 better

[SupermanXx]

Guess I'm an idiot too, then, because I agree with him. Those drops are going to lose us a game some day. They almost did today.

well then, name 15 recievers that are better

ready, set, go.

Can't wait to see what you come up with.

[UVAwahoos]

name 15 better


He can't and I definitely wouldn't try cause I will bash it back in a second. After about 6, you're stretching it just to prevent putting ur foot in your mouth. No way you can get to 15.

[adamknite]

Guess I'm an idiot too, then, because I agree with him. Those drops are going to lose us a game some day. They almost did today.

Already has.... washington game, remember? Sorry for bringing it up if you had already repressed the memory.....

[Da Hammer]

Sometimes he says some things that make you think he is still suffering from a concussion.
He has said among other things that he wouldn't draft Vince Young in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

The same Vince Young that is now 5-4 as a starter.
The idiot is still hating on Vince Young saying pretty much that the Titans have won in spite of him the last 2 weeks. ARE U FREAKING KIDDING ME????????? what an idiot, he was the main reason they won the Giants game as i believe he accounted for all but 36 yards by the titans and today he made lots of big throws and runs to help keep Manning off the field. Those concussions Hodge received in his NFL days really messed him up

[Future]

If everybody who hated T.O. was an idiot...I'd hate to see what this world would come to.

[Juke99]

I think saying that Owens is not top 15 is kinda silly.

BUT the drops are a huge problem.

He is what he is. A physical freak who doesn't have great hands...who forced the defense to pay attention to him.

[theebs]

What do you all think. I can tell he hates the COWBOYS and he really dislikes T.O.

I dont believe that. I do believe though that he is a very poor analyst.

He picked us to win the nfc in august.

Then the friday after the first giants game he went on football friday on espn news and said he believes Dallas will finish 1-9 and miss the playoffs because romo couldnt play.

Kind of throws the term expert out the window.

[erich1r]

Like I said he's an idiot. I for one hate the drops by T.O. but can we agree that he's also came up big for us as well. The Blitz on espn is talking more about the g-girls loss than our win

[SupermanXx]

The Blitz on espn is talking more about the g-girls loss than our win


not surprising. my tv is currently off which tells you how much I care about some other *******' opinion, knowing that we'll get no credit

[adamknite]

name 15 better

Ok I'll give it a shot, I don't agree with this list and in they're not in any order, but I'll take your challenge!

1. Tory Holt
2. Marvin Harrison
3. Reggie Wayne
4. Anquan Bolden
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. Chad Johnson
7. Steve Smith
8. Terry Glenn
9. Javon Walker
10. Roy Williams
11. Santanna Moss
12. Randy Moss
13. Plexiglass Burress
14. TJ who's your momma
15. Andre Johnson
16. Keyshawn(sp?) Johnson
17. Deion Branch
18. Hines Ward

Once again that's just a list to accept the challenge, that's for sure not my list as I think Owens is atleast top 10. But there you go, just so somebody would actually put a list up there to debate over.

[Chocolate Lab]

Hines Ward
Chad Johnson
Santana Moss
Steve Smith
Javon Walker
Anquan Boldin
Larry Fitzgerald
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Joe Horn
Andre Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Lee Evans
Donald Driver
Terry Glenn
Willie Blade

Eliminate a few of them if you choose, but there are still easily 10 guys I'd take ahead of him.

[DCfaninDC]

What do you all think. I can tell he hates the COWBOYS and he really dislikes T.O.

Yeah, saying he is not even one of the top 15 WRs...why won't he just check the stat books.

[erich1r]

I find it funny how people can call T.O cancer a because he's outspoken.We can say T.O is this and that but when it comes to other players doing and saying stuff it's not as serious. for example what the difference between how chad johnson acts or shawn merriman or these guys that have been arrested or suspended. honestly what has he really done that different from these players. The media gets on him cause of a hamstring but hines ward has a problem with his and nothing is said.

[adamknite]

I find it funny how people can call T.O cancer a because he's outspoken.We can say T.O is this and that but when it comes to other players doing and saying stuff it's not as serious. for example what the difference between how chad johnson acts or shawn merriman or these guys that have been arrested or suspended. honestly what has he really done that different from these players. The media gets on him cause of a hamstring but hines ward has a problem with his and nothing is said.

Because they didn't tear a team apart because of a contract dispute. I think the media goes a little overboard on the guy, but he brought it on himself one way or another and now he just as to live with it.

[Bob Sacamano]

Hines Ward
Chad Johnson
Santana Moss
Steve Smith
Javon Walker
Anquan Boldin
Larry Fitzgerald
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Joe Horn
Andre Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Lee Evans
Donald Driver
Terry Glenn
Willie Blade

Eliminate a few of them if you choose, but there are still easily 10 guys I'd take ahead of him.

that's actually a very good list

but you left out Marques COlston, the only 2 players I have an issue w/ on your list is Lee Evans and Donald Driver

WIllie Blade?

edit: and Smith is only like 3 drops behind TO

[SupermanXx]

lmao... "Willie Blade"

that was funny

[Da Hammer]

Because they didn't tear a team apart because of a contract dispute. I think the media goes a little overboard on the guy, but he brought it on himself one way or another and now he just as to live with it.
he did not tear the Eagles apart. Injuries especially to McNabb tore that team apart. it sickens me every time i hear the media say he destroyed the Eagles franchise. If somehow he did then the Eagles deserved it for allowing one guy to destroy the team

[erich1r]

But you must admit when he was on the field he performed. He was there still helping the team win not suspened or arrested and being away from the team. he did bring alot on himself but he's no worse than the players mentioned and some not

[windward]

Hines Ward
Chad Johnson
Santana Moss
Steve Smith
Javon Walker
Anquan Boldin
Larry Fitzgerald
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Joe Horn
Andre Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Lee Evans
Donald Driver
Terry Glenn
Willie Blade

Eliminate a few of them if you choose, but there are still easily 10 guys I'd take ahead of him.
Solid list although I would eliminate Moss ,Walker, Horn, Evans and Driver.

Walker Andre Johnson, Wayne and Glenn are debateable

[Chocolate Lab]

that's actually a very good list

but you left out Marques COlston, the only 2 players I have an issue w/ on your list is Lee Evans and Donald Driver

WIllie Blade?
I was sure someone would claim his being a rookie and pull up career numbers or something. ;)

And I left off Roy Williams. I should have included him. Darrell Jackson was another guy I thought of.

And the Willie Blade was just silliness for Superman... You know, we need a kicker? "Sign Willie Blade to a 10 year, billion dollar contract."

[Bob Sacamano]

I was sure someone would claim his being a rookie and pull up career numbers or something. ;)

And I left off Roy Williams. I should have included him. Darrell Jackson was another guy I thought of.

And the Willie Blade was just silliness for Superman... You know, we need a kicker? "Sign Willie Blade to a 10 year, billion dollar contract." :rolleyes:

didn't even see that, and D Jackson is making waves this year, leads the NFL in receiving TDs

[adamknite]

he did not tear the Eagles apart. Injuries especially to McNabb tore that team apart. it sickens me every time i hear the media say he destroyed the Eagles franchise. If somehow he did then the Eagles deserved it for allowing one guy to destroy the team

Well i meant he destroyed their season, guess I worded it wrong. You can't deny he wasn't a big part of it, because the Eagles were having problems before McNabb finally got put out.And of course the Eagles deserved it, they gave him a huge bonus up front and cheated the Ravens out of acquiring him, they got what they deserved, when he started asking for more money.

[SupermanXx]

I was sure someone would claim his being a rookie and pull up career numbers or something. ;)

And I left off Roy Williams. I should have included him. Darrell Jackson was another guy I thought of.

And the Willie Blade was just silliness for Superman... You know, we need a kicker? "Sign Willie Blade to a 10 year, billion dollar contract."

I knew you threw that in there for me :laugh2:

cracked me up

[erich1r]

The thing that piss me off is our BOYS don't get credit for their play. we hear the media say these things about T.O. imagine if he did'nt come up with some of those 3rd down catches forget the dropped passes for a second.Think about the ones he did catch we may not be in the position we in

[erich1r]

think about the catches that kept drives going . It's so obvious that the the powers that be in the nfl and the media don't want the BOYS to win

[Bob Sacamano]

Well i meant he destroyed their season, guess I worded it wrong. You can't deny he wasn't a big part of it, because the Eagles were having problems before McNabb finally got put out.And of course the Eagles deserved it, they gave him a huge bonus up front and cheated the Ravens out of acquiring him, they got what they deserved, when he started asking for more money.

the injuries to the D did them in, and their secondary really regressed, so that their pass-rush wasn't as effective

plus passing the ball 70% of the times didnt' help, they became too predictable on O

TO didn't play a role in it at all, he was actually their best player when he was activated

[erich1r]

all the players named there's a few over half that will be watching T.O. playing in the the playoffs and hopefully the superbowl. so to say they're better is a matter of opinion

[adamknite]

the injuries to the D did them in, and their secondary really regressed, so that their pass-rush wasn't as effective

plus passing the ball 70% of the times didnt' help, they became too predictable on O

TO didn't play a role in it at all, he was actually their best player when he was activated

Don't give me that, there is no way you can say TO didn't have a role in it. TO caused a circus around the team, those distractions were ripping the team apart, as evident that he was throwing McNabb under the bus constently and yet there were still players on that team who wanted him back, instead of siding with their leader.

[Bob Sacamano]

Don't give me that, there is no way you can say TO didn't have a role in it. TO caused a circus around the team, those distractions were ripping the team apart, as evident that he was throwing McNabb under the bus constently and yet there were still players on that team who wanted him back, instead of siding with their leader.

conjecture simply won't do

[ologan]

Already has.... washington game, remember? Sorry for bringing it up if you had already repressed the memory.....

Beat me to it. One of these games,there won't be the dropped passes,and that could propel us all the way to the Super Bowl. Maybe TO will take these criticisms personally. Hope so,anyway!

[adamknite]

conjecture simply won't do

:rolleyes: Oh come off of it, I agree the media went overboard with it, but to say he didn't have a part to play in their season ending the way it did is simply obserd. He got himself suspended then benched by the team with all of his antics so that right there proves he had some part in it.

[UVAwahoos]

Washington game was a blessing in disguise. I'd rather lose to a terrible team to stay humble.

[Bob Sacamano]

:rolleyes: Oh come off of it, I agree the media went overboard with it, but to say he didn't have a part to play in their season ending the way it did is simply obserd. He got himself suspended then benched by the team with all of his antics so that right there proves he had some part in it.

you have no evidence that TO was a distraction, maybe to McNabb, but that in itself is conjecture at best, so I'll go by what I did see that caused the Eagles to go 6-10 last year, which I already explained, and TO being arguably it's best player isn't one of the reasons

[Chuck 54]

I can live with the occasional dropped pass by T.O....we all know that he's had a problem with dropped passes his whole career. He's been a great receiver, but even in his best days in SF, no one ever tried to say he had great hands.

However, if he keeps dropping them on 3rd down or in the end zone, it is going to eventually screw us in the playoffs no matter what his stats are. You don't usually see drops from a top receiver on critical downs when they are concentrating...usually it's when they are trying to run without the ball.

I don't really know what T.O.'s problem is.

[adamknite]

you have no evidence that TO was a distraction, maybe to McNabb, but that in itself is conjecture at best, so I'll go by what I did see that caused the Eagles to go 6-10 last year, which I already explained, and TO being arguably it's best player isn't one of the reasons

no evidence? He got into a fight in the locker room with a guy, that's not distracting? He threw the "Team Leader" under the bus every chance he got, there were players on the team that still wanted him back on the team after all of this instead of siding with the leader of the team. If those aren't considerred distractions then sorry sir I am wrong with every comment I made.

[erich1r]

according to mcflabb they could win without him so to him it did'nt matter if T.O played or not

[Bob Sacamano]

no evidence? He got into a fight in the locker room with a guy, that's not distracting? He threw the "Team Leader" under the bus every chance he got, there were players on the team that still wanted him back on the team after all of this instead of siding with the leader of the team. If those aren't considerred distractions then sorry sir I am wrong with every comment I made.

I'm not saying those aren't distractions, by definition, they are, just saying you have no proof that they distracted anybody

and that's the last I'm going to say on the matter

[kevwun]

This morning on one of the pregame shows Hoge was dogging VY again. He gave him zero credit for the Giants win. It was so bad that Jaws asked him why he was taking it so personal. I've never seen anything like that happen before. He hates Young and has been dogging him since before the draft. He can't admit he was wrong.

[adamknite]

according to mcflabb they could win without him so to him it did'nt matter if T.O played or not

Thanks for helping me with my point. Nabb said they could win without him, yet there were still players who wanted him to come back so they could win. Distraction, and dissention among the ranks it sounds like to me.

[erich1r]

sounds to me that mcflabb may not be the goody 2 shoes he appears to be

[erich1r]

if he was that bad why would anyone on that team want him back

[adamknite]

I'm not saying those aren't distractions, by definition, they are, just saying you have no proof that they distracted anybody

and that's the last I'm going to say on the matter

You sir just made no sense.....

dis·trac·tion [di-strak-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the act of distracting.
2. the state of being distracted.
3. mental distress or derangement: That child will drive me to distraction.
4. that which distracts, divides the attention, or prevents concentration: The distractions of the city interfere with my studies.
5. that which amuses, entertains, or diverts; amusement; entertainment: Fishing is his major distraction.
6. division or disorder caused by dissension; tumult.



If it looks like a distraction, acts like a distraction, it's a distraction. Instead of preparing for the next opponant, every member of the team had a microphone in their face asking them about TO. He even told his position coach to not talk to him unless spoken to. When one of the best players gets suspended by the team then there is a "distraction" some way or another.

Do I have proof that a player drops a ball because he was too busy thinking about TO to catch it? No I don't. I guess you're right.:rolleyes: Then again you have no proof that says otherwise either so the last thing I'll say on the matter is that this, TO played his part in sending that season down the toilet for the Eagles, and anybody with a rational thought in their head can see that.

[StanleySpadowski]

no evidence? He got into a fight in the locker room with a guy, that's not distracting? He threw the "Team Leader" under the bus every chance he got, there were players on the team that still wanted him back on the team after all of this instead of siding with the leader of the team. If those aren't considerred distractions then sorry sir I am wrong with every comment I made.



I will defend Owens on the "fight". There's been plenty of well placed conjecture that Hugh Douglas, a person who was on the payroll as some sort of consultant but had no official coaching title, instigated the fracas at the behest of the Eagles organization in order to sit Owens without paying him.

[erich1r]

Mr.Knite you make valid points I asume you're a COWBOY fan. My question to you is with all that has been said about T.O. here. Do you cheer when he makes a catch, first down,or touchdown.

[big dog cowboy]

I'm not a Hoge fan but it's just one mans opinion. Consider the source and move on. Or hit the mute like I always do. :D

[adamknite]

Mr.Knite you make valid points I asume you're a COWBOY fan. My question to you is with all that has been said about T.O. here. Do you cheer when he makes a catch, first down,or touchdown.
I've been a Cowboys fan my whole life, I even lived about 10 minutes outside DC when I was younger, when the Redskins won the superbowl, yet I've stay loyal to my boys.

Also I'll root for owens as long as he's a Cowboy, yes. Do I agree with everything he does or has done in the past? of course not. I never liked Bledsoe before he was Cowboy but once he put the star on his helmet I supported him. I've defended owens to a lot of people who said he was already starting to tear the team apart after the accidentle overdose, however I have to also look at things from an unbiased perspective also and I honestly believe he played his part in the Eagles saga last year.

[erich1r]

I agree with you but has he shown any of that so far this year. I have'nt seen it Parcells even said that the media has blown up things that happened this year. I guess the point I was trying to make is how what he's done in the past reflects on what he's done so far. the only thing he's done is drop some balls. no arrest no steroids no domestic violence no dui's. we talking about what he did with the eagles last year. I don't think he's even trashed talked to the media.

[adamknite]

I agree with you but has he shown any of that so far this year. I have'nt seen it Parcells even said that the media has blown up things that happened this year. I guess the point I was trying to make is how what he's done in the past reflects on what he's done so far. the only thing he's done is drop some balls. no arrest no steroids no domestic violence no dui's. we talking about what he did with the eagles last year. I don't think he's even trashed talked to the media.

If we're only talking this year? Then yes I agree, there have been a lot of other players do worse things and they haven't got near the attention Owens has. Heck I don't think Haynesworth's "most classless act ever" got as much attention as either Owen's hamstring or his accidental overdose. Nobody likes to point out that he took Sam Hurd under his wing and helped him make this team when making an arguement. That sure sounds like somebody who only cares about himself, does it not?:rolleyes:

They're just looking for reasons to throw Owens under the bus, and I think he's atleast been acting like a classy player so far. Heck it may just be an act I don't know, but atleast he's putting effort into it.

[erich1r]

True noone wants to talk about the positive things only the negative and thats with everything. I want you to know I'm not questioning your loyalty or anything I know we all have our own opinions. I'm just trying to see how people feel about certain things. i appreciate your responses

[adamknite]

True noone wants to talk about the positive things only the negative and thats with everything. I want you to know I'm not questioning your loyalty or anything I know we all have our own opinions. I'm just trying to see how people feel about certain things. i appreciate your responses

No problem, it's nice to get into an open discussen with fellow fans sometimes, espcially if at the end we can all agree on the fact we love to see the Cowboys win. :D

Also I've noticed you only have 23 posts, welcome to the board. I'm pretty new here too, I joined in March but didn't start posting till about a month ago, it's a great place to talk Cowboys.

[erich1r]

I don't get a chance to post much I like to read them. I also live outside of DC near Ft Meade. all I hear is deadskins this and that so it is nice to talk COWBOYS especially when they win.

[erich1r]

thanks for the pic but i accidently erased the pic i was trying to make it my avatar pic could u send it again I apreciate it

[speedkilz88]

I think Hoge is stealing Theisman's stchick, figuring that being controversial will further his career.

[erich1r]

it does'nt work for him he seemed so angry maybe he lost some money on the game